I dont know how long you have had a youtube channel, but you are waaayyy undervalued. You should have alot more subscribers. I know they will come in time. You editing, demeanor, and content are really top notch. Thanks for all the work you do on these videos.
Another great video as always!!! Can you do a video with the timbrens and towing? I have been planning on doing that same thing! I would love to see it in use. It would definitely help me with the confidence in my decision instead of bags.
I just got a radius arm kit from James Way Off-road out of pismo beach for the front end of my 02 and that completely changed the way my truck rides and performs off-road. It pushed my axle about an inch and half forward so my 37s (soon to be 39s) tuck with room to spare and there’s no shock loading my frame from the short arms with every bump anymore. Anyways, I vote that you do some sort of long arm conversion for the front end
In this instance your two cents is actually worth $0.37 which puts you in the same category with the world's most interesting man. I have a 94 W2500 and this rear suspension makes a lot of sense to me. I have been researching DIY 4 link set ups, but the Deaver leaf springs would definitely expedite and simplify the project. Not sure about cost comparisons, but guessing the springs might be a money saver too. Thanks for your content.
If you have a first gen, check out Archive Garage. They make drop in leaf pack/shock relocation setups that are super cool. Best first gen suspension out there short of cutting everything off.
So you got these rear springs and had to put bags on it to tow your 5th wheel? I ask cause I'm looking at this kit but wondered how they'd do with 5th wheel weight on it. Thanks!!
@@jamesvaldez4093 Yeah mine is 03 6 sp sport hd with short bed crew. Didn't have stabilizer bar on rear. Springs were super squisy up top and swayed . Air bags fixed it.
I'd like to mention that there are cradles for air bags so they aren't attached at the bottom and will still allow offroad flex. It will probably decrease their life, but it's an option other than timbrens if you want adjustability and flex.
Yeah those work! On 2nd gens the whole cradle/bag situation gets a little funky, since all bag kits for these trucks are made to work around the stock blocks that get removed. With some clever off menu tricks you can make it work, but I find the Timbren spacers to be a lot cheaper and easier. My good buddy had the Firestone bag/ daystar cradle setup on his 2nd gen with these leaf packs and it works killer.
OK great! I have Airlift bags on my truck but have been wondering if there was a way to improve ride quality when loaded or towing then I saw this video!
I know this is random but let me say how absolutely irritating it was to receive Carli shocks for my 3rd gen only to have to shave down the bushing ends for them to fit into the shock bolt brackets. They need some QC after going away from fox.
How much loss of travel would happen if you added airbags on top of the carli system? And how would you suggest installing the bags to give you good travel still?
I don't know if it's me but I found the 2nd gen trucks road better stock than the 3rd gens, both my Dad's 2nd gens road better than my stock 3rd gen. Either way can't go wrong with Carli 🤘
Here's a link that works: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/carli-dodge-suspension-components/products/carli-1994-2002-2nd-gen-dodge-ram-2500-3500-full-progressive-leaf-spring-pack
Any word or updates as to what thw travel and ride quality improvement for just an add a pack? Im looking to go that route but theres not good videos on this matter.
Since the add a pack maintains the base springs, there's no increase in travel and no major improvement in small bump compliance. You do improve ride on big dips or hits, but it's nowhere near what's possible with the full pack. I personally think the add a pack isn't worth it compared to just keeping the stock rear springs.
@JustDiesels I appreciate that, I tow over 10k pretty often and I already have bags and cradles but my enclosed trailer can be pretty tongue heavy and I would rather not overload the air springs when I fully load up everything. Although I did find that 37s do a pretty good job at bump compliance with the 2.5 kings as it sits
Got the leaf pack installed today and was a nite/day difference compared to the add-a-pack. I was worried about the gap between the axle and the timbren stop, but looks like yours is the same😅. Anyways, awesome truck and where did you get your fender well liners?
Make longer videos explaining everything on said subject/vehicle. not separate videos like TikTok’s part 1-4. It would have been cool to see the timbren in this video plus u make more money on longer videos
Not to sway anybody, I also have these springs on my second gen and they are definitely not worth the price. He of course removed his rear sway bar which I did not want to do. But that being said every day drive I have noticed zero difference. Still have axel hop and still rides like a wagon. One more thing is I snapped a break like trying to get these springs in and you can see on mine much more flex than straight will snap the brake line again (it is the weight position valve? Brake line to the frame) so I payed a lot of money for something that does nothing extra. It does not even flex because I have tried, definitely no where near this video demonstrates, but again I have my sway bar still, also if I flex like that video I would snap a brake line every time. And it’s not a break line I can just stretch. I would also like to think the sway bar wouldn’t cause it to ride and hop like factory springs but from what I can say for a 100% fact is the springs I got for my truck did not perform anything like what he showed or demonstrated
To be perfectly honest your issues are all install related. The brake proportioning valve linkage must be removed, as well as the rear sway bar. Additionally, it sounds like you may not be running the proper rear shocks either, so all of those things are working together to hurt your ride and limit articulation. Essentially you’ve taken an A1 Wagyu steak, cooked it in the microwave, and then complained that it sucked. Proper installation and parts mix is key to actually making a product like this work. I don’t mean to be accusatory, but that’s the cold hard facts of the situation.
@@JustDiesels So obviously you are correct on the install part. I did have the sway bar disconnected but I did not for the valve because the instructions didn’t say anything because they were not for my truck. They were a general use instructions which showed 3rd gens. But regardless nobody on the website or who I’ve talked to said you need to remove parts for it to work. I don’t want to remove my valve and I don’t want to remove my sway bar for hauling purposes. I don’t have the shocks you have but I do have the performance package so it does have res- shocks from CJC so they are for the springs, and I don’t believe again the sway bar makes it ride rough. If I was rock crawling or something I’d remove it but I just want a comfortable ride down the road and those springs did absolutely nothing, and I could remove the sway bar and I’d say it would ride just as bad but sway a lot more. So again I do have all the parts that “work as a team” front and rear mind you, front sway bar and all but the rear still rides like a wagon. However I do appreciate the response, it is nice to get some knowledge from someone that knows a little more than I do with carli
What tire pressure are you running and what’s your wheel tire combo? These leaf packs are way softer than stock, so the only way they can ride like stock is if something else is holding you back. The sway bar doesn’t help but it might be a tire pressure issue too.
Interesting! Maybe I'll save my money and not bother with these. I have a heavy flatbed with boxes on mine and sometimes have a slide-in camper as well. I have a feeling these are tuned for driving around unloaded.
I dont know how long you have had a youtube channel, but you are waaayyy undervalued. You should have alot more subscribers. I know they will come in time. You editing, demeanor, and content are really top notch.
Thanks for all the work you do on these videos.
Thanks man! I just make these for fun, so I would probably have a lot more subs if I was better about regular uploads.
That is the cleanest 2nd Gen I've ever seen!
I’d love it if you put real dollar amounts on it, I know these parts have to be extremely expensive
I have these on my ‘01, and they are absolutely fantastic
How much was it
Another great video as always!!! Can you do a video with the timbrens and towing? I have been planning on doing that same thing! I would love to see it in use. It would definitely help me with the confidence in my decision instead of bags.
I just bought an Arizona 1999 Gen 2 just like this yours. Super clean! only 200,000 miles. Love it!
How much did you pay for the truck, just wondering?
@@ronnierivas5478 - $24,000 From a local classic car dealer. Still love it! Worth every penny… I always wanted one.
@@ronnierivas5478 $24k…. I had to have it.
I was on the fence but now I am sold thank you.
Very thoughtful and thorough review!
Thank you!
I just got a radius arm kit from James Way Off-road out of pismo beach for the front end of my 02 and that completely changed the way my truck rides and performs off-road. It pushed my axle about an inch and half forward so my 37s (soon to be 39s) tuck with room to spare and there’s no shock loading my frame from the short arms with every bump anymore. Anyways, I vote that you do some sort of long arm conversion for the front end
In this instance your two cents is actually worth $0.37 which puts you in the same category with the world's most interesting man. I have a 94 W2500 and this rear suspension makes a lot of sense to me. I have been researching DIY 4 link set ups, but the Deaver leaf springs would definitely expedite and simplify the project. Not sure about cost comparisons, but guessing the springs might be a money saver too. Thanks for your content.
If you have a first gen, check out Archive Garage. They make drop in leaf pack/shock relocation setups that are super cool. Best first gen suspension out there short of cutting everything off.
@@JustDiesels I have a 2nd gen and a 1970 W200
They look like the nationals i have on my square body chevy. That design works great.
Progressive rate and mine wasn't worth a shit with my 5th wheel. So I threw on some Goodyear bags n loved it.
So you got these rear springs and had to put bags on it to tow your 5th wheel? I ask cause I'm looking at this kit but wondered how they'd do with 5th wheel weight on it. Thanks!!
@@jamesvaldez4093 Yeah mine is 03 6 sp sport hd with short bed crew. Didn't have stabilizer bar on rear. Springs were super squisy up top and swayed . Air bags fixed it.
@@swampratt36Awesome. Thank you!!!
I'd like to mention that there are cradles for air bags so they aren't attached at the bottom and will still allow offroad flex. It will probably decrease their life, but it's an option other than timbrens if you want adjustability and flex.
Yeah those work! On 2nd gens the whole cradle/bag situation gets a little funky, since all bag kits for these trucks are made to work around the stock blocks that get removed. With some clever off menu tricks you can make it work, but I find the Timbren spacers to be a lot cheaper and easier.
My good buddy had the Firestone bag/ daystar cradle setup on his 2nd gen with these leaf packs and it works killer.
OK great! I have Airlift bags on my truck but have been wondering if there was a way to improve ride quality when loaded or towing then I saw this video!
Recommend driveshaft brand for these second gens
Killer video as always!!
Thanks for the great content!
I know this is random but let me say how absolutely irritating it was to receive Carli shocks for my 3rd gen only to have to shave down the bushing ends for them to fit into the shock bolt brackets. They need some QC after going away from fox.
How much loss of travel would happen if you added airbags on top of the carli system? And how would you suggest installing the bags to give you good travel still?
I don't know if it's me but I found the 2nd gen trucks road better stock than the 3rd gens, both my Dad's 2nd gens road better than my stock 3rd gen. Either way can't go wrong with Carli 🤘
I like to buy 3/4 ton diesel either a 2006 or 2007 short bed. Could you tell me what is a very high mileage truck.
Hey I just noticed that you got rid of your wireless cab lights on your truck, any particular reason why?
The link you have in the description states it’s for 2003+ is this the same leaf pack you have shown in the video? Awesome vids btw
Here's a link that works: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/carli-dodge-suspension-components/products/carli-1994-2002-2nd-gen-dodge-ram-2500-3500-full-progressive-leaf-spring-pack
Does the leaf spring pack in the description include the shocks
How much did that entire set up run you installed?
Any word or updates as to what thw travel and ride quality improvement for just an add a pack? Im looking to go that route but theres not good videos on this matter.
Since the add a pack maintains the base springs, there's no increase in travel and no major improvement in small bump compliance. You do improve ride on big dips or hits, but it's nowhere near what's possible with the full pack. I personally think the add a pack isn't worth it compared to just keeping the stock rear springs.
@JustDiesels I appreciate that, I tow over 10k pretty often and I already have bags and cradles but my enclosed trailer can be pretty tongue heavy and I would rather not overload the air springs when I fully load up everything.
Although I did find that 37s do a pretty good job at bump compliance with the 2.5 kings as it sits
Got the leaf pack installed today and was a nite/day difference compared to the add-a-pack. I was worried about the gap between the axle and the timbren stop, but looks like yours is the same😅. Anyways, awesome truck and where did you get your fender well liners?
Yeah it’s a HUGE improvement! And these are factory and came with the truck. That’s the easiest way to score some!
Thanks!👍
FINALLY!!!!!
ugh, jealous of the discontinued carli diff skid
Man that 7.3 ia clean! Yes im talking about your ford i know its not the focua of this video clean 2nd gen too does it have a 12 valve?
Thanks man! This truck is a 24v 99 2nd gen.
do they make a pack for 3500 dually's?
Their leaf pack fits both 2500/3500 SRW and DRW trucks.
Make longer videos explaining everything on said subject/vehicle. not separate videos like TikTok’s part 1-4. It would have been cool to see the timbren in this video plus u make more money on longer videos
size wheels?
17s with 35” tires
A truck like that, just as clean, but in red, sold near me for $48000
what did you do about the front drive line angle? mines at 18 degrees and blew the last drive line
Congras...
It’s just a 1/2 ton springs on a 3/4 ton truck got off road truck !!
Not to sway anybody, I also have these springs on my second gen and they are definitely not worth the price. He of course removed his rear sway bar which I did not want to do. But that being said every day drive I have noticed zero difference. Still have axel hop and still rides like a wagon. One more thing is I snapped a break like trying to get these springs in and you can see on mine much more flex than straight will snap the brake line again (it is the weight position valve? Brake line to the frame) so I payed a lot of money for something that does nothing extra. It does not even flex because I have tried, definitely no where near this video demonstrates, but again I have my sway bar still, also if I flex like that video I would snap a brake line every time. And it’s not a break line I can just stretch. I would also like to think the sway bar wouldn’t cause it to ride and hop like factory springs but from what I can say for a 100% fact is the springs I got for my truck did not perform anything like what he showed or demonstrated
To be perfectly honest your issues are all install related. The brake proportioning valve linkage must be removed, as well as the rear sway bar. Additionally, it sounds like you may not be running the proper rear shocks either, so all of those things are working together to hurt your ride and limit articulation.
Essentially you’ve taken an A1 Wagyu steak, cooked it in the microwave, and then complained that it sucked. Proper installation and parts mix is key to actually making a product like this work. I don’t mean to be accusatory, but that’s the cold hard facts of the situation.
@@JustDiesels So obviously you are correct on the install part. I did have the sway bar disconnected but I did not for the valve because the instructions didn’t say anything because they were not for my truck. They were a general use instructions which showed 3rd gens. But regardless nobody on the website or who I’ve talked to said you need to remove parts for it to work. I don’t want to remove my valve and I don’t want to remove my sway bar for hauling purposes. I don’t have the shocks you have but I do have the performance package so it does have res- shocks from CJC so they are for the springs, and I don’t believe again the sway bar makes it ride rough. If I was rock crawling or something I’d remove it but I just want a comfortable ride down the road and those springs did absolutely nothing, and I could remove the sway bar and I’d say it would ride just as bad but sway a lot more. So again I do have all the parts that “work as a team” front and rear mind you, front sway bar and all but the rear still rides like a wagon. However I do appreciate the response, it is nice to get some knowledge from someone that knows a little more than I do with carli
What tire pressure are you running and what’s your wheel tire combo? These leaf packs are way softer than stock, so the only way they can ride like stock is if something else is holding you back. The sway bar doesn’t help but it might be a tire pressure issue too.
Why run a sway bar on the rear?
Interesting! Maybe I'll save my money and not bother with these. I have a heavy flatbed with boxes on mine and sometimes have a slide-in camper as well. I have a feeling these are tuned for driving around unloaded.
@6:53 HE SAID DOODOO!!!
Lol
6:55 he said doo doo
If it was springs and shocks sure but its not so no that price is way to much.
Yo
Not suprised
That beotch is pristine brother 👍🇺🇸💪🏻
Thanks man!
You bought that truck from a old man and his daughters that lived in Mesa AZ. I know the truck. I bought his Mercedes instead
You might be thinking of a different truck, since I got this one in Havasu. Az is the land of clean grandpa rigs though!
Can you do the new generation GMC Duramax??