Baseball Tragedy | Here’s how MLB Player Cory Lidle Crashed his Plane in New York City
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- Опубликовано: 27 янв 2021
- Major League Baseball (New York Yankees) pitcher Cory Lidle's aircraft crashed into a building in the Upper East Side of Manhattan, New York City. Find out what happened.
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For those wondering, no ground fatalities. 21 ground injuries, including one very serious injury incurred by a apartment tenant. She was chillin in her apartment at the time of the crash, hit by shrapnel and burnt severely in the post-crash fire, but escaped.
Thanks for that.
Thanks. I was really wondering about that.
Thanks, yea I wondered.
Ah, that was the answer to the question I just posted..... thanks.
I just try to imagine standing on my balcony or looking out of the window and seeing this winged machine hurling towards my home with only minutes to get out of the way. People under so many flight hours should fly with someone who has well above 861 flying hours, b/c neither person was very experienced. So sad.
Big problem here in the states. Someone gets killed due to their own actions and the manufacturer gets sued by the family. Raising everyone's prices on things and insurance ...
It's pathetic, trying to cash-in on the death of a family member in such a dishonest fashion is incredibly low. But people's true character is always revealed after someone dies - they can turn into vultures.
There should be some form of punishment for idiotic suing.
@@MothaLuva Usually the plaintiff is required to pay the other party's legal fees.
The manufacturer should have sued the pilot for ruining a perfectly good airplane. The elite class of people in this country are completely jerks, almost all of them.
I was thinking the same at the same time I read you
They sued an aviation company over pilot error? That's immensely irresponsible and sickening.
They want to blame someone
they should sue the building engineer and the ATC as well
@@KingofFray And the wind too
Greed and lawyers know no bounds.
They were angry they lost their cash cow and wanted another pay out to make up for it. Sick.
I swear as an American it pisses me off when they sue for dumb things cause it makes the rest of us normal people look bad.
???
One aspect to consider: the legal world has become a self-serving monster. lawsuits...counter-lawsuits...defensive lawsuits...
And in high profile situations...lawyers start to show up and start filling grieving minds with bullshit.
agreed, i thought whole of america was fat/stupid until i realized there's actually someone normal..
If a law suit is determined to be frivolous then the plaintiff should pay for court costs and the legal fees of the defendant. Let's see how many frivolous lawsuits will be there from that point on.
@@MegaSunspark -Ref as 'Court Reform'. Not possible due to attys affected are also the Judges ruling. Only a Graveyard Spiral into a smokin' hole cures Legalistic lotto ;}
Good to see that frivolous lawsuit thrown out. While a tragic outcome, mistakes were made in the cockpit, and suing Cirrus doesn't change that. Good video TFC, this one was packed with info!
Still lasted 5yrs. Probably added an extra 50k to every cirrus. Can we sue the family for costing cirrus & us $?
If anything they should have sued whoever designated these airspace restrictions to make this into a narrow dead end.
I'm surprised they didn't sue the builder for putting that apartment hi-rise in the way of their fun flight... 😏
Yes. One of the few wins for logic it seems in big liability cases... I assume everyone remembers ... McDonald coffee lawsuit...oh it’s hot! And will burn you ?!?!!
They did market their Cirrus SR20 to be an agile, maneuverable aircraft though. And this incident proved that it isn't so "agile or maneuverable. This is like the Roy Halladay Icon A5 crash. The plane is marketed to be capable of anything but isn't. So Icon, the makers of the A5 should be sued. In this incident however, the ATC who refused to respond and the controllers of the airspace that was proven to be ineffective and problematic should also be sued.
The pace, professional presentation, no vocals, and use of non fiction cases all lead to a fantastic channel. Thank you for taking the time to create this and share.
Nobody does clear, unobscuring text narration better than Flight Channel. Should be YT industry standard.
Truth. So well done! I wonder how long it takes him to make these videos?
Yeah but he has not made JAL 123 yet its the worst single plane crash in history
Ima ask him for JAL 123 because there is no perfect explanation of the crash yet
I think good narration is better than screen text. Imagine Forensic Files with screen text.
lawsuit? This is straight up pilot error. 😤
It's the American way. Something bad happens, you sue somebody.
@@DonTSmith And go on go fund me.
Well I am sure his family thought he was ace pilot man and could never be so arrogant and stupid to fly his plane directly into a structure because of ignorance. They failed to remember one thing, no matter how intelligent they may think he is (was), he grew up to play a children's game as a profession. Whichever sport it was, I didn't catch that, doesn't matter anyway.
Sounds like his family was making an attempt to protect his estate by filing suit against the manufacturer. Injuries on the ground and damage to the building would most likely be addressed in a suit against his estate.
@@minirock000 That's a bit harsh and overboard. The rules of the time were dumb. And he had a instructor in the Right seat. The turn was simply too low and too wide. My question is what was the purpose of this trip? Sightseeing? Simple navigation? Neither were familiar with the area flying wise.
This is one I will never forget. I was in flight training when it happened and my instructor went to flight school and was good friends with Tyler. We talked about it a ton as he tried to process what went wrong. The biggest mistake was turning left instead of right and not using the wind to their advantage. Our best guess was that Cory was at the controls and didn't start the turn quickly and steeply enough and since Tyler was in the right seat he probably had limited view of the buildings. Tyler probably took over but by then it was too late. My instructor said Tyler was a very very good and safe pilot. It really shook him up. RIP Tyler and Cory.
I hoped that lidle felt lots of hell before RIP’ing .. the shmuck could have rested up after losing a big baseball game
@@OhNo_4mor4freaknbidenwow😂
Watching this in the dark, full screen, shows an immaculately put together presentation. It's terribly sad that 2 relatively young guys lost their lives. How no-one was lost in the actual building's a miracle. Thanks tFC.
As a pilot, I have flown the Hudson Corridor route many times. Never did the East River Corridor simply due to the things mentioned in this video...too tight, no room for error.
If an experienced pilot like you won’t do it, This new guy was totally out of his element, even with an instructor this is a silly thing to do with ceiling limits, wind situation, Crosswinds that is, and tall buildings all around. For God sake this is not a flight simulator playground.
I'm only going by the video. Didn't they see they were not gonna make that turn? My fantasy is that I would have banked right on seeing the turn is not gonna work, gunned it, got up and over Central Park, back to Teterboro, take Amtrak.
I have done it up the east river as well, but stayed in the bravo airspace at 1100 ft with atc clearance. I Wouldn't want to fly that low around buildings. I also cross over central Park to the Hudson and turn there.
If you could see from the ground, as I do most every day pace walking around the north end of Roosevelt Island, how little room there is between the east and west channels of the East River, bisected by Roosevelt Island, you'd never want to fly and turn there. Also if you go into the restricted airspace, FAA and NYPD will be all over you like white on rice.
Guy. You have a crappy cfi. I had 20 hour students flying all over those rivers in the 1990's. They were taught windy GRM well. I did that.
I remember this accident. I was in high school and in my last class of the day, we were shocked. My teacher actually let us out early because it was 5 years after 9/11. Everyone thought it was another 9/11 for awhile but that died out quickly.
that corridor should be a no fly zone for planes that fly under 1000 feet... a sharp u turn while flying between sky scrapers... really
That's all I could think of while watching this. How that was EVER permitted is beyond me. It's a miracle there weren't several deaths involved within and around that building!!
Like going into a box canyon with a ceiling limit. I agree with you this is pretty crazy.
I have flown that route many times. There is ample space to make a 180 deg. turn, even with adverse winds, if the pilot knows what he is doing. The slower the plane is flying, the smaller radius the turn can be. He should have dropped a few notches of flaps and slowed down to 75 or 80 knots....could have easily made the turn. Flying at 80 knots, a good pilot can make a turn with radius of 586'. CFII should have known this.
crfdln: That is sound advice, some thing a novice pilot is not likely to be trained in, but there was a trainer pilot there also, so really no good reason for this incident to happen.
@@crfdln Both pilots, even the passenger with the instructor rating, didn't have a lot of hours and weren't experienced in the New York TCA.
"Lawsuit against airplane manufacturer was denied...."
Family always trying to blame an airplane
The family lost a member, they figured money could compensate.
The used cirrus North America which isn’t even responsible for making the aircraft since they are manufactured in Melbourne, Australia
@@benkerry2006 that was the US business location. Does not matter where manufacturing was.
And, in the case of the SR20/22, the next of kin are in many cases right when they are blaming the aircraft. This is evident in the sheer number of cases where Cirrus Aviation has been paying out compo to mishap pilots. Do bear in mind that Cirrus aren't exactly underselling their products when it comes to infallible safety. And, in particular inexperienced pilots are buying said products. It's for the same reasons they buy a Ferrari car, because they can, and to impress others and themselves as well. So they find themselves in the situation where they are on top of the world, flying what the salesman said is the safest aircraft in existence, hell, it even has a built-in parachute. What they don't realise is neither salesman or instructor bothered to tell them there are a couple of things a Cirrus does not do well at all. One of them being low airspeed steep turns. So that's where they suddenly find themselves illegally parking their aircraft. Because it certainly does not fly like the Cessna they trained on.
I believe they sued to try to make up for the money lost when the MLB said they weren’t going to pay out their life insurance policy, since he did something that was out of contract. Btw I think they ended up getting paid by the MLB.
Man, Flight Simulator these days is STUPID realistic. I had to double take at the plane sitting on the ground because it looked so real. When I was a kid I would play flight sim on my grandpa’s big 90’s computer and would cry when I crashed into the ground even though it was so pixelated you couldn’t even tell where you were. Today’s graphics would permanently scar me as a kid 🤣
And the view from the ground when it flew past the Statue of Liberty! Looked so real
@@WallysGirl123 Ikr?! Absolutely crazy stuff
What Sim was this? Agree it's amazing my first sim was on an Apple IIe :)
@@CPRamos Microsoft Flight Simulator. The newest version came out in late 2020.
@@TheOneTrueChris thanks
That's why when I used to fly, a long time ago, I was happy to do so in a small town. I would never have dared to fly in a city like NYC with international airports in the vicinity and tall buildings in addition. Creepy...
Yep. So risky.
Him saying "everything's gone" was spot on.
ya can say that again
I was in high school in NYC when this happened. People thought it might be a terrorist attack at first and we were told not to go in the Subway. What's also crazy is the day or two prior WFAN sports radio was crushing Lidle for his poor pitching performance in the playoffs and Lidle called in to defend himself and the hosts pretty much told him they thought nothing of him and that he was a terrible pitcher
@Andrew Vidito It was Mike and the Mad Dog
Sometimes you have to wonder if an accident is really an accident.
Having flown in that area several times, it is crazy with traffic. You spend all your time scanning for planes rather than sightseeing.
Ahhhh. I get it now. They were getting pushed into the buildings by the wind and the more they banked to execute the turn more quickly, the more they induced a stall. RIP
His family sued the aircraft manufacturer?!? I could see people in the apartment building sueing HIS estate.
I am sure that has already happened
Welcome to Hollywood.., Where he’s from
I remember that day... We were all thinking it was another terrorists attack. Seeing that building on fire and the debris on the streets was awful and brought so many memories....
Careful, the Lidle family might see this and try to sue you for saying that Cory was responsible for his own death...
@Carson Lowe ever heard of sarcasm?
It's always a good day when TheFlightChannel uploads
Except for the guys on board LOL
i just shout and everyone in the beds shouts too becuase we just saw theflightchannels notification!!
Ehhh nt rlly
@@almighty4106 Ohhh no, itwsnt! 😮
Word
I was doing a pet food delivery across the street in 515 e. 72st when this happened. I remember the lady who's windows faced uptown but still heard a boom was like "what happened outside". I was in the elevator and didn't hear anything. But when i got back down though people were freaking out, but cops were already there. really sad.
I was walking around the back of Costco by the river that day and I heard the plane sputtering but never looked up and then heard the loudest explosion about a minute later and looked across the river to see the fireball . Sad and scary.
Excellent video. I had never heard of this accident until now. Your presentation was dramatic right until the end. Ya gotta wonder what was going on in the aircraft in the final minute.
I’m guessing nothing good😕
“I don’t think we’re gonna make this turn”
Honestly I would have said fuck it and flown into ATC airspace to avoid a collision as soon as I sensed the wind was pushing my turn out way farther than expected, and just ‘fessed up and apologized later
@@pmarreck And be alive!
Really?
@@lcaceci43 Right Mary. What was the instructor saying to the pilot. Didn't the instructor see the problem looming?
The detail of these animations is stunning.
There is an old saying in Italian (English translation.) “If your stupid and know you are you don’t get into trouble.”
@@michaelh1889 yes it was a typo, thanks for the correction
Gonna use that !! ;D
I tell the nephew... 'Never pick your nose...
but always pick you friends.' !! ;D
And an Italian friend of mine says,
'If a-holes could fly, New York would be
an AIRPORT !!.' ;D
@@michaelh1889 that last one made me lol
@@michaelh1889 "You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose."
I’m from the uk 🇬🇧 never heard of this man but I wish you rest in peace brother
@Andrew Vidito I done some research..
Looks like a legend
He dies from a mistake in airmanship and the family goes after the aircraft manufacturer, ha!
My first thought was that his family would have suffered a massive loss of earnings on his death but turned their anger towards the wrong people. Extremely sad. I imagine a Major League Baseball player would make millions of dollars per year but I wonder why his employees didn't stop him flying until his contract was over,or was it? I know nothing of this case but it seems that there is a lot of misplaced confidence by individuals in their ability to fly,especially in the US according to the many tragedies shown here on youtube.
Welcome to america!
I remember when this happened. I was on ALERT at my base when we were placed on Battle Stations because they didn’t know if it was an accident or deliberate. Very sad day.
Any safety conscious flight instructor who permitted a celebrity pilot to fly up that corridor was either in awe of having a pro baseball player as his new buddy or a schmuck. There is absolutely no freekin' way Lidle should have taken those last 2 left turns...particularly the first and most tragic...the turn up the fatal corridor. Your recreation, as always, is unchallenged on YT and the flight stage over the Statue of Liberty was so realistic it was tough for me to believe it was a sim! I guess you can't turn back the clock on scenery...obviously the 1,776 foot tall Freedom Tower was not there in 2006, (not even agreed to!) but otherwise an incredible, first rate production. Bravo!
Yeah, I saw the Freedom Tower and thought “WTH?” :-)
I'm wondering if he would've still hit the building if he maintained a higher alt. how tall was the building? And shouldn't the instructor have been monitoring the flight instruments if he wasn't the one flying? I can't believe neither one of them recognized the dangers involved BEFORE deciding to do this.
@@hassansimpkins6023 I Think he was staying low to avoid the class B space
@@hassansimpkins6023 ,if he would have tried to climb during the turn he would most likely have stalled. What he obviously was not thinking of was the easterly winds which carried the plane towards the river bank in addition to the normal turn radius.
@@rudolfschrenk6171 --- Witnessed a near miss of this kind when observing a private single engine plane landing at Lake Pillsbury(sp), California.
Strong, gusting winds blew the plane downwind during the final approach turn.
I shut my eyes to avoid seeing the impact with the pine trees covering the surrounding hills.
By the grace of God, they landed safely. Wind was switching on/off with gusts, I have no idea how they didn't crash.
By the time the family of 4 deplaned I was in a cold sweat.
The pilot was an MD taking the family out for a Fall Picnic.
Happened 30+ years ago.
I remember this incident but had forgotten about it. All the extra work you do such as showing the flight path etc really makes a lot more sense and understanding of what really happened. Never disappointed on this channel when it comes to Aviation Crash Investigations. Another very well done video with excellent quality. Have a good week tfc and stay safe.
This is quite unusual for The Flight Channel. Though only the two people on board died, an apartment resident was hospitalized for a month with severe burns incurred when the post-impact fire engulfed her apartment. Twenty-one people were injured, including eleven firefighters. Usually The Flight Channel mentions collateral injuries.
I’m confused. Was he doing a sight-seeing flight before turning for Tennessee?
no he didn't get the atc clearance so he had to turn back
@@atharvbhagwat2674 but why did he have to turn around and up the east river after already passing the statue of liberty ?
Cause that's the end of the air corridor over the river
@@bhanuvenkata7105 we are asking why did he go up the corridor...🤦🏾♂️
He was clearly out sightseeing just for fun. And who can blame him?
People can't accept that their loved one died because if their own actions, always want to find someone else to blame. These frivolous lawsuits will end up making it harder on people who have legit cases to get compensated. Can lead to legislation etc that protects bad companies who are just being greedy etc...
@Carson Lowe I was saying that it could lead to legislation to shield COMPANIES against lawsuits. Which would almost be a pass for bad companies because they would be protected against legit lawsuits against them etc...Wasn't talking about stopping ppl from being stupid lol
@Carson Lowe Smh
One thing about the day this occurred (I remember it quite well, one of my co-workers lived nearby the crash site at the time) - it was not sunny, it was overcast with a very low ceiling. From the ground the tops of the highest skyscrapers were shrouded in low cloud / fog cover, which cleared later in the afternoon (after the incident). When the news of the crash broke I assumed that had played a role and was kind of surprised it didn't come up as a factor in the investigation.
Rule 1 if a building is 500 ft you have to fly higher than that
When there are 1,200+ft buildings in the area and your ceiling is 1,100ft, you have a very real risk of hitting one. It is ridiculous that the East River corridor existed as it was (for fixed wing aircraft), with free entry at the south end, but only exit from the north end by approval from ATC when the _only_ alternative, of executing a 180º turn would, at best, be marginal on space.
Why didn't he just turn right...away from Manhattan and taller buildings?
@@hassansimpkins6023 The East River corridor has a boundary to the east (Brooklyn) as well as to the west (Manhattan). There is barely enough room to make a 180º turn anyway, but if he was near the eastern edge of the corridor he was already committed to making a leftward/ anticlockwise turn and turning east over Brooklyn (without ATC approval) wasn't an option.
@@hassansimpkins6023 he may have stalled the plane, its easier said than done, doesn't look that way from a video perspective. But tons of metal in your hands, its not going to turn on a dime. Depending on the winds, may have kept the plane from turning out of it. From the video looks like they got "locked" into the turn.
@@pulaski1 especially when you're flying below 400 ft
As a very new student pilot (less than 5 hours flight time) this channel is absolutely fascinating and as a result of watching these tragedies I spend immense amounts of time studying and triple checking while in flight.
Thanks for posting this... The only thing inaccurate is the weather that day... It was overcast... I'll never forget it
that's what I vaguely remember too... for some reason this was one of the harder TFC videos to watch, because of all the foreshadowing... very tragic and unnecessary
"A previous flight instructor described the pilot/owner as being "quick to adapt, conscientious, and checklist oriented" in exchange for tickets to the All-Star Game.
Yup star struck😎
11.5 hours! Ain't no way I would fly solo after than many hours. That's like turning a 14 year loose in a car after he watched his dad drive for the last 10 years!
He had 11.5 hours in type [the Cirrus]. More than that, actual flight experience. 40 hours to get his private ticket, plus any accumulated in other types of aircraft. Regardless, not enough to overcome the stacked deck the day he and his instructor died.
Poor planning, lack of knowledge of what was required to make that 180 degree turn, did not take into account the 15 knot wind blowing him toward the tall buildings, not enough altitude.
@@wagonmaster1974 I mentioned they should have used an approach flap setting or 10 degrees, that would lower their stall speed. Why did they make a downwind turn, and why were they so low, poor airmanship and no planning ahead.
Amen
I remember when the Phillies traded Lidle. Couldn't believe this happened, but I wasn't surprised at the same time. That's tough airspace.
Wow, I have watched all of your Flight Channel videos big fan here, and the quality of this one is Movie Quality top notch the visuals are perfect and have improved over time, this is the best visuals video you have done.
Seems like a dumb thing to do with 11.5 hours under your belt.
11.5 hours of Cirrus Fight Center training. His Total time is not mentioned though the pax Instructor's time was.
He didn't have 11.5 hours under his belt, that was how many hours he had in that specific airplane. He was a fully licensed pilot.
@@johnjohnson5496 Yes, I realize that, but he was a relatively fresh pilot also.
Definitely get the feeling that he was overconfident because of how great of an athlete he was.. Thinking the skill transfer would equal him being a master pilot without much experience
Pretty harsh.
Kuddos to all Ur hardwork....
From a fan of theflightchannel
And with an instructor on board. Damn.
An 800 hr instructor is learning himself. I bet he didn't have too much time in this type and also completely unfamiliar with the area. Not saying they were reckless.. But things can go south very quickly in aviation.
@@Bren39 low hours myself, but I'd never make a turn in a boxed corner like that.
Just hard for me to believe an instructor would do that.
Actually it turns out you are MORE likely to have an accident with an instructor onboard. Its about distraction.
@@scottfranco1962 oh really.. Where did you get that stat from? I agree people may do something more out of norm with a cfi onboard.. But thats how you broaden your experience..But no proven correlation to more accidents.
@@Bren39 The AOPA published statistics. Do your own homework.
Sometimes I think that high-paid celebrity athletes feel that their skillset applies to other areas of endeavor, as though they would be as good at everything else, whether on the field or not. So, maybe there was a little over-confidence involved here... 😏
He didn't display any hazardous attitudes and he was a fully trained and FAA certificated pilot. Clearly he had real skill if he passed the checkride, and as for him being over-confident, well, in my experience I've found that students who are very checklist oriented and conscientious flyers don't get "over confident". I think it is the instructor who failed Cory, and should have known better than to continue a flight path he knew would not work instead of just slightly breaching the class Bravo and living to fly another day.
Gilbert 100% agree. Rich boys and their toys.
@@johnjohnson5496 I agree, the instructor should have made him turn wider.
Exactly
The CFI did not know how to do 180 Turnbacks either. You dont do them if with a tailwind and limited space for them. With that wind, it could take much wider area to complete the 180.
One would think that an excursion down the Hudson River with a fly by of the Statue of Liberty would be enough sightseeing before heading off to your destination! SMH
Wikipedia says: In addition to the deaths of Lidle and Stanger, 26 were injured in the accident, about half of them New York City firefighters. It would have been good to honour the firefighters and others who were injured.
This is a damn flight channel, it's intent is to discuss the factors and give an animated account of what led to this tragedy and not to give a detailed news account of all who were injured.
@@mymusic8414 Well there's no reason to get upset! Normally this channel gives an account of all loss of life and inured in the aircraft AND on the ground. Go back and take a look! For some reason the ground injured were forgotten this time. Maybe it was an oversight, and maybe he did it on purpose, but I thought it was worth mentioning. There are quite a few comments here from people who wondered if anyone was injured in the building. So I'm not alone in wondering about that!
This is a very interesting video but it appears you have his plane crashing into ”The Promenade” condominium on East 76th St and the east river. The plane actually crashed into “The Belaire” condominium on East 72nd St.
Mary, you are absolutely correct. It crashed into the Belaire at East 72nd Street, and it is a red brick building, not a glass and steel highrise with those balconies. I am across the river from there in Roosevelt Island--Manhattan Park. The aircraft went into the 30th floor north facing and severely injured a woman sitting in her living room.
@@donnafromnyc Great catch, ladies !! ( Pardon the pun... ;)
Yep! The simulation plane hit "The Promenade" located at 530 East 76th Street, the wrong building! The plane really crashed into "The Belaire" at 524 East 72nd Street, south of the big Con-Ed chimney! Hopefully they'll fix it!
Wow... that is someone who knows her city!
Splendid video concerning this flight. I have always wondered about this crash, and this superb video answered my questions. Such an unfortunate tragedy, prayers to the families of the lost pilots.
Under trained, over confident. 11.5 hours is no where enough flight time.I fi n
I believe the 11.5 hours referred to the Cirrus Flight Training course and not the total time on type.
@@josephking6515 i think you are right
Thank you.
I don't think over confidence had any part in it. Under trained, maybe - after all he was certificated by the FAA. The CFI should have known better though, so I think the blame rests on his shoulders in my opinion.
@@johnjohnson5496 Why were they heading the opposite direction instead of towards Tennesse? I do not understand their course. Were they sightseeing?
@@HarryBalzak Look up the VFR corridors of New York City.
As always, well done TFC
RIP. Long time ago, ATC allowed "city tours". One could fly around Manhattan at a reasonably safe altitude with ATC clearance. No 180 degree turns necessary.
I used to fly in northern NJ, and I never once wanted to go anywhere near the NYC airspace. Occasionally I flew around it, but flying was less stressful and more enjoyable staying away from that area....
Very good recap and shows how inexperienced pilots in that setting can be deadly. One a new pilot and the other with some more time but still limited. Plus instructor being based in California he seems to have been either cocky, unfamiliar or both in trying to maneuver.
Definitely pilot error that cost two lives.
I'm guessing that both were unfamiliar with flying in the NYC area. Sad story and so avoidable.
Just remember to enjoy each day of your life....you never know what might happen.
Excellent video as always. In my opinion, your channel is one of the best in RUclips.
I did my flight training out of that airport in Teterboro, and have flown up that East River corridor a few times. Like most folks, you do it for the incredible views, because it doesn't lead anywhere. At the 59th St Bridge you have to turn.
NYC is a stressful nightmare of an airspace. Three Class B airports, multiple regional airports, all crammed together and overlapping. If only he'd just headed SW to his destination.
Keep it up, your videos are fantastic!
Your work is amazing! Keep it up! :)
Just discovered your channel and been binge watching like crazy! Great channel so happy to have found you!
This was one I was waiting for a long time. Great work as always!
The then "hot ship", sophisticated Beech Bonanza gained the nickname "Doctor Killer" because of the number of wealthy but inexperienced/reckless/egotist pilots who lost their lives in one, perhaps the Cirrus is the modern version.
I flew in the right seat of a bonanza a couple of times, I hated the visibility. I would never buy a plane like that just because of frontal visibility problems, and I am a tall guy.
Just goes to show that just because you have lots of money doesn't mean that you should pilot your own aircraft.
@@bradcoddington1679 he was a licensed pilot and had the foresight to have a much more experienced pilot accompany him on the flight - you seem to be of the mindset that every accident in aviation is just some rich douche who shouldn't be allowed to pursue their dreams and passions because you clearly know better than them lol
@@johnjohnson5496 actually your wrong. There's nothing wrong with someone following their dreams. What I'm saying is that many people of wealth think that just because they are wealthy they can do whatever they want to do because of their wealth and status. But they let their egos get in the way of reality and it comes up and bites them in the backside. It's not just avation where it happens. It happens with supercars and high-performance boats also. Yes he might have been licensed pilot but just because you have a license doesn't mean your well skilled at operating the machine. There are many folks driving automobiles every day on the roads who are licensed but are a danger to the general public and themselves. Just about anyone can do the training to get the minimum skills to get any form of license but it doesn't guarantee that your proficiency in it is of a good safe operator.
@@bradcoddington1679 your logic can be applied to literally everyone. Are you a pilot? If you are, it's because you think just because you could afford to get your license and you passed your checkride that you have the skill to be a pilot. I don't want you to ever get in a plane ever again, because you don't deserve it, not even to learn, practice, gain experience and grow. See how asinine and immature that line of thinking is?
Wow. Great job. I'm a Yankee fan and remember this crash. He was not experienced enough to fly in that part of New York. I work in NYC and I hate the idea of any plane flying over me. It's so congested and there's really no place to go. There was a helicopter crash in 2019 that happened in NYC right down the street from my building. Maybe you could do a video for that one day.
That was stunning and very informative, thanks for sharing your work!
Awesome detail! Thank you for the upload! RIP for all those that have fallen during aviation mishaps. 🙏
I never understood how two pilots did not recognize the danger of being to low and to slow? Something had distracted them to the point of no return. Tragic and senseless.
TFC, it would be interesting if you could investigate and recreate the Graham Hill private aircraft crash in the UK 1975. He was a Formula 1 racing champion who was starting a new team. Based on the AIB report which was somewhat inconclusive, it was pilot error but some factors on the aircraft as well.
Your videos just get better and better, wonderful! Excellent background audio by the way.
Great Job TFC! Not sure what lengths you go through to post your videos. I usually like to stick to the commercial incidents because they teach me lessons about human behavior I can pass on. Not sure why I decided to click on this vid, not sure how much I learned. Images and data were extremely well explained. Thanks for your work! It is much appreciated.
This entire flight looked very spooky. What were they trying ? Did he really want to reach his destination or was he just meandering without purpose. It's easy to crash an aircraft with intent even though there's an instructor.
He was out sightseeing and enjoying the ride. First time out of New York, starting at Teterboro, you'd also have liked to do a fly by down the Hudson and enjoy the magnificent scenery.
@@ingvarhallstrom2306 Nothing wrong with that, but a bit of planning might have been a good idea in unfamiliar territory.
Pretty obvious they were just taking a tour of the city..
@Dave Mould They should have filed a flight plan.
@@jcf20010 that's an IFR thing
Pretty obvious, turned in, Sun in his face, unexpected wind, tightened turn at a too low power setting, mushed through. Probably both sets of HIGHLY inexperienced eyes inside. Boom. Money buys you the plane, but not the skill.
I've seen a lot of negative comments about celebrities flying planes. Yes, he was rich, but that wasn't why he was flying. He had a pilot's license and an instructor with over 800 hours of flight time. If I (a poor fuck) went in that plane with the same conditions, same would have happened to me. Him crashing had nothing to do with him being rich. It had to do with him being a pilot.
Can someone please explain why he didn't turn right, going towards Roosevelt Island which had much fewer high rises back then or why didn't he just maintain a higher altitude? He was allowed to go up to 1099 ft, crashed at 323 ft was flying WAY too low in a tight corridor that had windy conditions in play. What was the flight instructor with 861 hrs of flight time doing?
@@hassansimpkins6023 I think they thought they were going to be given permission to fly into the class B airspace but they were denied last minute probably.
Is the wind 'unexpected' when your an instructor with 861 hrs of flight time? If it is then that explains their first mistake. The instructor had never flown up this corridor before, so he probably shouldn't have decided that his student should give it a crack. This was preventable and tragic too.
@@hassansimpkins6023 The further you get into the incident, the less preventable it is. The whole thing could've been preventable if he had better skill, yes. But it was also preventable if he wasn't denied class B airspace. The incident could've been prevented all together if he never got in that plane to begin with. It just depends on what perspective you're looking at. As it is, in this case they were too late to realize their mistake.
This is your best work. Fantastic pacing, descriptions, visuals and effects
Descriptions are not their work. They're copied from a Wikipedia article with a license violation.
I remember this well. Cory had been traded by my beloved Phillies to the Yankees that season. I want to believe he was not going to be back with NY the next season, so this was possibly a farewell flight around Manhattan and the NYC landmarks. Just an unbelievably sad tragedy for him and his passenger and for both surviving families. He was a good guy on the Phils, by all accounts, a well respected player and man.
The little scab did it a little too early.. was still having deep feelings of being ousted in the playoffs. So he goes and flies a plane close to a bunch of skyscrapers doing stunt maneuvers around them
Fat Scab ,
Arthur Rhodes
Lidle had infamously been ripped over the phone by Mike and the Mad Dog just days before this, the ensuing series of shows were sad and awkward to say the least.
“The airplane’s altitude varies from 500 to 700 feet the remainder of the flight”
“The airplane impacted...333 feet above street level” 🤔
It's likely they stalled trying to make the 180 degree turn
MSL versus AGL. 333’ AGL (above ground level) is around 500’ MSL (above mean sea level). So he impacted around 500’ MSL (333’ AGL).
@@cogitoergospud1 I thought of that, but this is a building right on the shore of the east river...would this not be pretty dang close to sea level?
@@cogitoergospud1 KLGA is 21’ above sea level. The East River is at sea level, not 500’.
@@natal777 no he didn’t. They stayed clear of class B airspace. Not sure they were at least 1000’ from populated areas. The real mistake was making the turn from the East bank of the East River. With experience he might have considered the winds and started the turn from the West Bank.
Great video as always!
I flew over the Hudson a number of times. The floors of the class B are clearly marked on the sectional. Same for the East River. They were way below the floors.
I felt so bad about this crash, but from the beginning, I knew it was pilot error. And pilot arrogance. He never should have been there. Such a shame and a waste.
I seriously disagree that it was arrogance. I've seen arrogance involved in accidents, and this guy actually seems like the kind of pilot you want in the air - at least from what his instructors said about him, I didn't sense even a hint of arrogance, he took his training seriously and was very safety oriented. It's just unfortunate that the flight path of that corridor outmatched his skills as a new aviator.
@@johnjohnson5496 The arrogance was there when they chose to make this particular flight. What else would make a new pilot think it was okay to fly his plane low in a densely populated area? This is the kind of thing that should be done by highly experienced professionals ONLY, if ever. Planes are for transportation, not some self-indulgent pleasure tour.
@@floraposteschild4184 are you a pilot? Clearly you aren't judging by your phrasing and obvious lack of knowledge of the route they took and the "low" altitude they were flying. I'm not going to sit here and type a 15,000 word essay to bring you up to speed on all the pertinent knowledge and information you need to make an informed comment on this situation, so I'm just going to tell you as someone who is a professional pilot and trains people to fly aircraft, there is so much wrong with your statement - there was no arrogance involved, what they were doing was perfectly safe and legal, this incident was a failure on the instructor's part caused by psychological factors that the FAA is spending millions of dollars and countless man-hours researching. And one more thing, you are not the gate-keeper of aviation, you do not have any say in who is allowed to participate in aviation or what aviation is "only for". Go ahead and give me a chance to show you how absurd your argument and ideology is.
@@johnjohnson5496 Yeah, I'm just a person who can't understand the need for lookie-loos in planes to be touring around urban areas. If it it makes you feel any better, I think the same way about balloonists, skydivers, helicopters, paragliders, etc. The obvious public safety risk is more important than someone being able to say "look! I'm circling the Statue of Liberty."
@@floraposteschild4184 I get where you're coming from, but just because you don't understand the appeal of something doesn't mean nobody should be allowed to do it. Would you think it's fair if someone said you shouldn't be allowed to practice one of your hobbies that you're really passionate about just because they didn't like it? And it's not an obvious public safety risk though, as general aviation in the US is heavily regulated and guidelines are strictly enforced and adhered to in order to reduce and mitigate risk to the public. Of course to people who aren't involved in aviation it might seem like planes are dropping out of the sky left and right, but that's a skewed viewpoint simply because there's always a huge media coverage of every plane crash, especially when it involves a high profile public figure such as this one. If every fatal car crash got as much news exposure as every plane crash, you would never want to step foot on a public road ever again. Oh, and for curiosity's sake, you are actually a lot further away from the Statue of Liberty when you circle it than you'd think - we're trained specifically to plan our flights so that if we have an engine failure, for example, we can put the plane down without undue hazard to persons or property on the ground, and there are also FAA regulations that state we can only fly so low or so close to standing structures, people or vehicles until it becomes illegal and action is taken by the FAA against that pilot (look up 14 CFR Part 91.119 if you're interested). As someone who is active in aviation every single day, I can assure you that it is very safe, and it becomes more and more safe with every passing year as the community learns and grows from tragic accidents and incidents like this. Of course, accidents still happen, and they always will, but there will never be anything that is 100% safe in this world. After all, there is a statistic for people who are killed every year by falling vending machines lol
You show New Jersey and police sirens are heard in the background. Sounds about right
Come down to nearby downtown Houston, where you have a 100% chance of hearing sirens every night! Complementary sketchy apartment complex, in the package.
@@rainbowangel5264 bro my girl got robbed out there...
@@allcommentsmatter6890 no I wasn't. But I'm sure someone else was...
Big cities have all the excitement and all the sounds. Makes me happy to live in a smaller town though I do live on a main gateway to an interstate. We do have our share of sirens at times just not a constant drone like the biggies.
As a baseball fan I am so glad you posted this video.
It was cloudy and drizzling/raining on that day. I remember it well, because I was walking down York Avenue and saw (not the crash) all of this as it was going on.
Last time I was this early Narrow-bodies were still flying over the Atlantic😂😂😂
Lmao
A321 NEO enters the room 😂
@@joaovilarinho1362 lol, in 2 or 3 years when the A321 XLR will start commercial flight, this joke will no longer be funny
@@CptMehdi05 enjoy while it lasts 😂
@@joaovilarinho1362 lol
While I remember this tragedy it's stunned me to realize that it will be _fifteen_ years ago this coming October. I'm still thinking about that.
Another amazing video! Thank you so much!
My instructor always told me "break the rules, before you break the plane or your life"... I guess climbing to the max possible altitude would have been step 1), and if the sharp U-turn couldn't be executed, the better option would have been to extend it and fly over the buildings, despite being outside the corridor... RIP.
If you want to sight see stay out of the cockpit. Have you ever covered John Kennedy Jr.'s tragic flight off Long Island in 1999?
Yes he did it is on here
this brings back 9/11, even the fact that it happened in New York City, R.I.P
Wassup
I flew the same flight path in 1998 as a new pilot but the only thing I flew it at night and I made my 180 turn closer to the World Trade Center! Most challenging flight I had ever done at the time for sure!
Exceptional quality once again and very informative.
Violate imaginary airspace boundaries or try to violate a physical building? He choose poorly...
that's actually a really common problem that the FAA has been addressing lately. A lot of pilots would rather take absurd risks than violate and ATC clearance or an airspace. It's like they think the punishment will be worse than the risk of a fatal or life altering accident. Just pure psychology...
That's GA flier logic....
Perhaps he just forgot about the crosswind? that made his turn wider than expected
Litigious-Friendly is the US motto. That's why alot of companies bring cases to the US. It must be BIG business.
I got to hit against him when I was in high school. He came out on a Sunday and threw and inning or 2 for rehab. Saddened me when he passed. Not only did he have one nasty curveball, but he was nice to the youngsters.
TFC, this brought back a lot of memories for me. I live on Roosevelt Island and Lidle crashed into a building across and a little south of mine. You can see the Manhattan Park complex on your sim. I didn't see it but my next door neighbor did. Sheer luck that no one in that building was killed but there were many injuries and the building was, if I recall correctly, evacuated for weeks. Bad decision on Lidle's part to go sightseeing over that part of NYC that day. Both he and the instructor didn't know the NY TCA and all the restrictions make it very hazardous for fixed wing aircraft over the East River which is why you rarely see anything other than NYPD helis here. It's too bad as he was a promising young pilot. That day he and his friend should have headed south and probably west out of TEB and the traffic for a nice quiet flight.
woww!! i taught he used here the mfs 2020 nice vid bro! keep up making vids,,💗
In fact it is.
Why is it that it seems like the FAA only changes the rules when someone of importance dies . Such as the recent changing of rules Regarding helicopters After the Kobe Bryant crash. It's a shame they treat the rest of the general aviation crashes as second class citizens.
Changing the rules never stops the Darwin winners....
@@sophiejaysstuff4026 ?? yes it does...the pilots who would have made the same mistake as Kobe's pilot are being saved by the rules being changed.
THE FAA is a USELESS govt agency who can't seem to do IT'S JOB
VERY PITIFUL, they have been working on a new radar for 20 years, mostly ex military people draining our federal funds and filling their pockets till they retire
UGLY EXAMPLE of a govt agency
Most people don't know how mechanical turbulence can be so vicious in the vicinity of tall structures.
Great work. Birds chirping in beginning is a perfect example of your commitment to excellence. 😁. Awesome!