How these Pilots Crashed their Plane While Having Fun | A Thrill at 41,000 Feet
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2021
- Find out how the pilots of Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701 crashed their aircraft into the ground outside Jefferson City, Missouri while flying between Little Rock, Arkansas and Minneapolis, Minnesota.
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When the captain says "look how high we are", I don't think he's talking about altitude...
Or IQ.
😅👍
Hahaha. Good point! 😁
NO drinking and flying.
When you think you’re Niki Lauda and you’re driving an AMC Gremlin.
An airplane cockpit is the last place on earth where i would decide to have fun
They were right. The problem is they had the wrong kind of vehicle for their correct maneuvers. Next time the company should give them an F/A-18 Super Hornet so their maneuver works...
You can have fun.....but not with the aircraft........just engage the autopilot before having fun......and make sure it remains engaged......
Flying the plane is extremely fun idk why they needed a extra thrill
Well you actualy can have fun whit aircraft but not whit a comercial plane better using cesna or some
@@noobscoopsies1100 I know of 2 pilots. One tried to impress a tourist, skimming the surface as if it was a WIGE. They never returned.
Another one tried to impress a tourist girl and flew near the cone of a volcano. Wind from the side pushed the plane and made it crash against the volcano.
Cessna planes do not work either. They need something like an F-14 Tomcat to play. I would not recommend an F-16 Falcon because if one wing stalls and the other does not, it enters unrecoverable spin.
That was the first and last time the air traffic controller saw that type of plane over 40,000 feet. If it ever happens again, he'll probably declare an emergency before the pilots do.
I wouldn’t be surprise if ATC didn’t get a write up as well , obviously they assumed pilots had a good reason
But I bet atc shoudlve asked why the need to be so high up
Endeavor Air (successor to Pinnacle) now restricts flights to 37,000 feet. In training, what they did that night is shown in the simulator.
@@AEMoreira81 that makes my blood run cold! On the other hand, watching Idiots in Cars prepped me nicely for some recent distracted driver/ crossing the center line foolery.
I'm not a pilot but climbing so fast you stall the plane seems like a pretty big user error. According to the video, had climbed more slowly they could have made it to that altitude safely.
It's not that the plane isn't capable of flying at over 40,000 feet, it's that the pilots did so incorrectly(climbing too fast and letting air speed get too low).
I went to work for Pinnacle a few years after this accident. Every time I heard people talk about this accident, the scorn or contempt they had for the pilots was very noticeable. This is very rare in the airline world. That speaks volumes.
extremely glad that it’s rare
@@ecs2ecs46 Glad what is rare? If you meant accidents, I agree. If you meant having scorn or contempt for stupid pilots, I disagree, They probably did other things before this accident that should have drawn some criticism but got away with it. Pilots need to be called out on any bad behaviors or dangerous attitudes before they crash.
I think he meant neither. He's glad dumb pilots are rare.
@@di-gun5791 dumb pilots may be rare, but arrogant and egocentric ones abound
The "smoke" must have indicated that there may have been some "fire" before this incident. However, just because there are no passengers is never the reason to play around in an aircraft!
My flight instructor had me read the NTSB report then we discussed it. The importance of staying professional, fly by the numbers, know what the numbers are, keeps you alive. Had a couple experiences where the lessons he taught saved me.
I'm not a pilot or in training but I think that idea works in every profession. If you stay professional, follow your training (if the training was correct), and follow the rules, then you may pull yourself through anything. Or at the very least be labeled as doing everything you could do/it wasn't your fault.
There’s also something to be said for pushing the nose down when the stick starts shaking, without regard for any of the numbers except AGL altitude.
Good advice
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@kellie everts Disruption to engines' intake airflow due to the extreme maneuvers they were flying. Once both flamed out, the "core lock" problem (a known issue with this specific model of engine) prevented restart. It was triggered by the thermal shock of first having been run way too hot - maxed out power with insufficient air cooling due to the excessive climb rate and low airspeed - then being suddenly chilled down by frigid ~36000ft airstream. Differential expansion/contraction rates caused some rotating elements with tight clearances to bind against a sealing surface.
Just use a Flight Simulator if you want to have fun...
Good thing it was on just them on the plane
@@theoriginaltroll388 better to have no pilots than to have reckless pilots, at least there were no passengers
Or be the sky king. Only he can pull stuff like that. Rip skyking
It's cheaper and you get to walk away after crashing your plane.
Why use a flight simulator? Just imagine the flight in your mind...
There is a reason they call the Maximum Operating Altitude for any aircraft "Coffin Corner." As you climb the thinning air produces less lift over the wings. Because of this it is vital that you maintain a higher than normal forward airspeed to prevent stalling. At the same time the thinning air also causes the engines to produce less and less thrust the higher you climb. When operating at the aircraft's certified maximum altitude you are balanced on a knifes edge performance wise. Piloting an aircraft in this condition requires strict attention to the aircraft's instrumentation to ensure that you are following the published guidance for your aircraft type.
That's a very helpful explanation! Thanks for explaining what the video SHOULD HAVE EXPLAINED!!!
Taking any piece of machine to max operating limit and trying to sustain it there is never a good thing, in most cases
Be that as it may, any pilot worth his salt should be able to recover at that altitude. Altitude can be traded for speed and vice versa.
@@heard3879 No it shouldn’t. Atmospheric variation VS performance is basic science. The principals of physics that I learnt as a kid at school + common sense, are enough to tell me that even though I’m no pro aviator, the following applies:
1) The maximum operation level exists for the safety of the people and the plane. It’s been tried and tested time and time again before the jet was approved for service. Therefore if someone has already risked their life to find out for you and you’re dumb enough to want to test it for yourself, then the world probably doesn’t have to wait long to have at least one less dumb person in it. This now increases the safety of the remaining population.
2) The higher up we go, the denser the air is due to the lack of oxygen and increase in pressure. Therefore the performance of anything that goes up high - including an aircraft - will reduce the higher it goes.
3) Reduced performance of any machine requires increased input and quality of input from the energy source. For this to remain at an effective level, it requires constant precision.
4) Gravity never stops. If you’re going to mess around with tried and tested performance boundaries, you’re going to * it up. Because unless precision and accuracy remain constant, you’ve allowed for you’ve allowed for gravity to increase its effect and therefore all the scientific calculations that are the foundation of ‘how things stay up in the air and move forward’ are now effectively redundant, because smart butt pilot decided to play around with gravity, inadvertently changing all the optimum flight requirements.
I feel bad for the plane. It didn’t do anything wrong. It was lumbered with an inadequate human in the front seat. It’s fate was sealed.
@@John_Thompson That just means you are dumb
They mysteriously switched seats at least 2 times during this flight. And had they called for vectors immediately after engine failure, they would have had plenty of time and elevation to glide to the closest airport. The worst part of that is that while they were descending towards the eventual crash they could SEE the runway they were aiming for in the distance.... Gruesome.
Because both pilots would have killed their jobs for needlessly wrecking a perfectly good aeroplane, instead they killed themselves.
they wanted to die
This felt like a group of teens going on joyride in a car
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Ur right lol
Yeh
Hi Kenny
@@Lee247Jamaica hey
NTSB [off camera]: "Idiots. How do we phrase 'idiots' politely?" "How about: Pilots' unprofessional behavior, deviation from standard operating procedures, and poor airmanship?" "Sounds good. Let's go with that. Idiots."
"I checked with the board chairman, and he said we can't put the probable cause as 'fucked around and found out.' Sorry."
They were kids.
Someone should have known better.
@@babydriver8134 The pilot was 31, well past the age where incomplete brain development or something like that could be blamed for his behavior. He was an immature but fully grown man.
@@jonathankleinow2073
YEAH?
Like I said, KIDS.
@@babydriver8134 ...Okay then.
23 years old, with an amazing salary for his age and his entire life ahead of him, all thrown away for a few minutes of joyride
Most regional pilots receive utterly abysmal pay. I'm not even joking when I say you can make more working retail. Regionals are for grinding hours and building your profile. Still sad, though.
I wrenched for a northern carrier years ago . Newb pilots would stay at the staff house and fly stupid hours keeping the right seat warm , basically minimum wage when they got all the deductions taken off .
Well you can still say that he had his entire life ahead of him
23 is too young to be in control of a aircraft it seems.
FO pay for a regional airline is barely greater than flipping burgers, and the hours are worse. Makes you think.
Being able to say "Look how high we are!" Wasn't worth the risk to have a little fun, obviously. If they had just let the plane right itself, they'd still be alive. What a shame to die in a crash of your own making, and being posthumously shamed and disgraced. Bless their families.
Don't add shame and guilt to this tragedy then. How would you feel if you were the family of these pilots?
@@anax3672 That's the truth. Families know it!
@@anax3672 Well gotta face the insults if you raised such dumb kids. Natural selection on display
That poor little plane tried everything it could to save itself.
That's what we all said when we go
Got the Fdr and cvr data. I worked for Pinnacle at the time
@@user-io4rf4ml5e why the hell would they ignore the stall warnings multiple times? Were they really that dense?
@@Lexlugr First Officer very low time Captain came thru Gulfstream Air if I remember correctly, comparatively low time. Don't know what was going thru there heads. Was a strange time, hiring 250 hour pilots and building hours with little real world experience
im sure if it had ejection seats,it would have throw them out.
"We Can Have Fun With N8963A, 'Coz Who's Gonna Know, Right?" The only sensible thing they did, was not have any other personnel on board.
They didn't even do that...
And don't crash on someone on the ground
Just a multimillion dollar plane wrecked.
There was no one on board because it wasn’t a scheduled flight, it was a REPO FLIGHT. REPO stands for repositioning, the pilots hop-on, as passengers, on the last scheduled flight directed to the destination where the aircraft to reposition is, then board the aircraft takeoff and perform a flight to reposition the aircraft to the correct destination, ready to perform the scheduled flights the next day.
A lot of REPO FLIGHTS are made to move aircraft between Newark, LGA, and JFK, the length of the flight it’s around 4 minutes excluding flight plan authorization, GROUND traffic management, takeoff clearance, same for approach, landing, taxiing and finally parking the aircraft.
@@EM.1...a FOUR minute flight? So why did Traffic Control permit them to fly so high? Was there even time? (I know nothing about flying)
Crazy story! Reminds me when flying back to Europe over the US, one bored controller asked us if we were flying a Global, when we confirme he strangely asked us if we could climb to FL 510 (the max ceiling of our a/c) to '''make his day''. We answered that we could but we wont. I was very surprised by such an silly request from a professional.
Maybe it would have been a good day to ask him to have a pen and some paper. I would have at least joked or asked him back about it. Unless he was joking. The mere potential induction to someone "trying drugs" so to speak should be penalized.
I am not surprised since it was the US
dang. In retrospect I bet you wish you had reported him. That is reckless behavior and is unlikely the first or last time he's done something like that.
@13rdp that's INSANE!! I just CANNOT understand pushing it to the brink like that... Especially with others lives!! Thank God you're not an ego maniac.... I'm sure your family and the families of the passengers that you potentially saved that evening (including the family of dumbass!) Are more than GREATFUL!
I'm an ex-army parachutist and have flown hundreds of times commercially, so I'm used to a lot of rough rides, landings, and unexpected things happening in the air. But the more flight channel videos I watch the less trusting I am of pilots doing the right thing on the flight deck. I know the odds of a crash are incredibly remote, however that doesn't change the way I feel now.
Same feeling of mine
40 years on the job …….and I agree with you. I have flown with some F/o who were only there to have fun
Comments like yours are why these channels are poison.
The silence in these videos really add to the sense of dread, imagining what these pilots last moments were like and worse yet, getting to experience real-time how long they had to sit there and think about their impending death, to think about their own stupid mistake and how they can’t take it back. It’s truly chilling.
Definitely. TFC makes these well
@Oldschool DOSfan Somethings when you F up, you get no Backsies. ALWAYS be careful ... in your car ... in your place ... on your Segway ... whatever it may be. :)
CVR transcripts are available. The cpt stopped functioning when he realized that they might die.
@@johnalexander7490
Except on my motorcycle...I don't need to be careful on my motorcycle...I have my horn to chastise others with, a middle finger, and a genuine Government approved helmet....
What could go wrong?
@@bobsullivan5714 :) I still stand by what I said. Even on a motorcycle... you get no backsies. :) To your credit, it IS more fun being a little less careful on a bike :)
Pilot: Let's have a little fun up here.
Physics: Hold my beer....
One of the pilots did ask the other if he wanted a beer at one point
@@visionist7 bruh
@@goozzz381 it's in the CVR transcript
@@visionist7 OMG
@MrWheeler715 🤣😂
This is so upsetting. I'm just glad no innocent passengers were on board that flight. Really sad honestly. RIP two these two pilots.
This is what really gets me enraged. All that experience and still goofing off. It was a blessing that It was just the two of them and not a full passenger flight. Every time I get in my car I treat the trip as the first. Aware,alert and focused with both hands on the wheel always looking. CWA
They weren't really goofing off - they just didn't read the checklist for climbing to 41,000 feet. And then they just seemed to get stupid. Didn't follow procedure on a restart regarding building up to 300 knots. They screwed up completely.
This is why young men should not be pilots.
@@LarryWater BS - you have pilots in their 20s flying for the military. This accident wasn't due to their age, it was due to their negligence. They didn't read the checklist for climbing to that altitude. If they had, it would have told them to maintain 300 kias instead of the 240 kias they climbed at. They also did not follow other procedures.
This plane crash occurred less than one mile from my house. I heard the crash - it sounded like a freight train collision. I looked outside and saw a huge fire ball erupting from across the valley! I sped to the scene and saw the burning wreckage. The plane had plowed through a thick grove of trees, thereby breaking up. Remarkably, the front of the fuselage came to rest between two occupied homes on a residential street! There were a number of smaller collateral explosions of what I assumed to be oxygen canisters, hydraulic lines and possibly one, or more tires. In defense of the aircrew, it was obvious they avoided hitting any homes or businesses in the area - there were several of each. In a gross instance of irony, I flew on an identical CR jet the next day!
Wow
Well these 2 idiots first thought was to find a street or highway to land on. How many people would have been killed with that dumb move. Just 2 immature guys trying to win the Darwin Award for the year.
Jim Jones
The landing location has to be more luck than judgement, since Dumb and Dumber totally lost control of the plane some time ago!
@@glamdolly30 I second that emotion !! :)
An old pilot advised me, long ago: "Maintaineth thy airspeed, lest the ground rise up and smite thee" I miss hearing his wisdom...
That saying was in vogue among pilots in biblical times.
@@dukadarodear2176 I told you it was long ago! LOL!
A more modern day saying. " There are old pilots, and bold pilots. But there are hardly any old bold pilots."
@@dukadarodear2176 Moses was an Airbus A320 pilot.
@@paulfrombrooklyn5409 Moses was also the first person to download information from the cloud to a tablet. Smart guy.
Take a empty toilet paper tube and put it in front of a blowing fan. You will feel the air passing through it on the other side of the tube. Start tilting the tube upwards and the air will decrease less and less until none of the opening of the tube is exposed to the incoming air from the fan. The jet engine is essentially that tube. That tube requires airflow (for many reasons) not to mention the extreme heat that is going on inside that tube. Parts start heating up, other parts start cooling down. Thermal expansion and contraction of different metals start. Tolerances (or gaps) of spinning parts inside a jet engine are very small. They expand and others contract until those parts start rubbing together. Rubbing stops the spinning, no spinning no motor. I.e. Core Lock!
That makes a lot of sense thank u
very nicely explained !
thank you.
but there is no blowing fan in front of the plane, the air should be stagnant No matter how the engine is tilted.
@@komradestahlin8795 Derrrrrr!!
@@daftvader4218 I Don't Speak Caveman
As someone who works on CRJ 200s as a mechanic i've never seen ITT's roll back that fast and that far, i can't imagine the shock to the compressor just must of jammed it, truly unreal.
A furry mechanic that doesn't know the difference between "must have" and "must of".
Yeah, I'm going to make sure to not fly on CRJ 200s.
@@ao1778 It's not something you type all that often just something you hear. It still "Would Have" fucked that engine.
@@ao1778 lmao
@@ao1778 Keep your Desk Job as an Amateur You Tube Spell Check Clerk! The Mechanic Knows what he's Talking About, Obviously you Don't 😁
@@purebloodheretic4682 Why Do you Capitalise random Words?
Edit: Also, your*
I can't even imagine what their families feel knowing that they lost their loved ones due to their own stupidity and that the losses were 100% unnecessary.
In all seriousness, it's good for the survivors that, stupidity notwithstanding, life insurance still pays out.
I can't even Immagine the pointless of your message.
@@Giovanniram22 I can't even understand what you wrote in your message 🤷🏻♀️
No kidding.
They had probably done a number of stupid dangerous things before this, and it caught up with them this time.
At least they didn't kill anyone else. That is the only blessing.
I bet their families disagreed with the findings, it's hard to accept the people you love were responsible for their own death.
I'm not a pilot, but it seems like the plane tried to save itself but the pilots wouldn't let it.
ikr
I've seen about 100 videos like this and 99.9% of the time that's the case. If the pilot and copilot would just go back and have a drink, the plane would have fixed the situation. I think we've reached the stage where aircraft are so technical that it's time to get humans out of the cockpit and eliminate the cockpit entirely.
@@HC-cb4yp idk if you know this. But the pilots are only there now to get the plane to take off, and stop after a landing. And to handle a failure. From the moment the wheels leave the ground to right before landing, the plane is flying itself. It is actually against the rules to take control otherwise.
@@vomitkermit3446 Still too much human interference. I understand the military has been flying troop transports with no one in the cockpit for some time.
@@vomitkermit3446 I did some work on a house owned by an instructor at Boeing. He asked if I'd like to check out his work so ofcourse I said yes. At the facility in south Seattle he let me use the flight simulator which was basically a fuselage on hydraulics. After flying around the sound and buzzing the space needle I brought it in for a landing which was a little rough. He didn't mind at all. That was when he asked if I'd ever been in a plane for a rough landing as indeed I had. He told me it was because that was the pilot flying the plane. All the smooth landings were on autopilot. This was in 1997 so guaranteed the technology is far beyond that now. Cheers!
I’m a student at Embry-Riddle, and our private ground instructors always tell us about this crash because both pilots were Riddle students
I love how this guy used Microsoft flight simulator! I spent tons of time in flight sim and for the longest time couldn't figure out why when I use the vertical speed Dial to climb to 40000ft at a rate of 1000fpm the plane would lose all its speed. Took me forever to figure out that once you get to higher altitude you gotta reduce toe fpm for a slower climb.
No matter how much scary they are, i can't stop watching these plane crashes.. and these words “too low terrain, pull up” probably the most scariest words i have ever heard”
Indeed scariest
Fun fact: I used to have that sound as an alarm on my phone. 😀
Hahahaha... you won’t have any problem in waking up at all then 😜
Scariest words I have ever heard are "depart from me, I never knew you". From Jesus in Matthew 7 (7:23).
true
A wise airline pilot said it best, "Your attitude determines your altitude."
These guys must have mistakenly figured out that it means high spirits and high altitudes.
I strongly suspect that their fate was sealed long before they reached 41,000 feet. The steep climbs, followed by low airspeed would have been cooking the engines. At an inclined angle, oil flow would also have been slowed.
At 41,000 feet, with reduced air, the engines struggled to maintain thrust and the temperature rose until the core bearings seized.
At this point, they should have realised that they had broken their toy, since engines do not flame out for no reason, particularly both of them.
Their only option was a slow and well planned glide back to earth, but thy simply had no idea what they had done to create their problems.
Excellent summary
Or better put, “Never go full retard!”.
@@wilsjane - Human arrogance.....It's a killer.
Isn't the sound of the engines just the absolute best sound ever. It's soothing
I’m a pilot and I’m 42 now..When I was younger I would always scoff at older people saying young people take unnecessary risks..Now that I’m older I can look back and understand…Both pilots were young, which isn’t a negative, but cockiness is in abundance when we are young….There’s that statement, “there are old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots.”
Besides Maverick of course. I'm joking. But yes you're 100% right. I understand it completely, even not being a pilot, being older now.
maybe it would be an idea to restrict promotion to being a captain to let’s say being at least 40 years old (on top of the required flying hours), so at least one mature adult would sit in the cockpit.
I used to fly for this airline, and while the video is great as usual, it omits some key items that actually make it a lot worse.
The CVR shows they were too busy celebrating their first time at FL410 and bragging to each other that "we're 4-1-0-ing it, baby!" to notice the deteriorating situation they had put themselves in.
The captain and first officer had exchanged seats during the climb (a huge violation of procedures). So the relatively inexperienced FO was in the left-hand captain's seat when the stick shaker & stick pusher activated. That was a huge contributor to the pilots not recognizing or responding correctly to the low airspeed.
After the engines flamed out and the plane began to descend, the pilots traded seats AGAIN to get back to their correct positions. This stole precious time, and required that both pilots reorient themselves while in a high stress, highly disorienting situation. It likely contributed to their inability to achieve 300kts and get the engines out of core lock.
When the dual flameout occurred, they told ATC they had only lost ONE engine. They were too arrogant or embarrassed to admit they had experienced a dual flameout. By the time they realized they were in deep s*** and told ATC that both engines were out, they were too low and ATC was unable to direct to a suitable airfield.
W O W ......:(
Both engines were locked, one was melted and odds of starting them was zero. They did not even tell ATC they lost both engines until they were at like 13,000.
How do you know all of that?
@@lukailic5439 You can go read the cockpit voice recorder transcript. That's what Leonard did. He's not even a pilot as he claims. He just read the transcript.
I wish this had been included, but glad someone mentioned it. What horrible pilots.
I’m well aware of what happened since I’m from Missouri and live about an hour and a half from Jefferson City. I was not too happy when I learned about these pilots’ reckless and unprofessional behavior. When you’re not conducting yourself in a professional manner on a plane, you’re putting yourself and your passengers in danger. I’m just glad no one else was onboard at that time.
Not to mention putting people on the ground in danger as well. What if the crashed into a building! This was all so needless. It makes me sad and so angry at the same time.
Yeah I can relate.
Commercial airline crashes are SO darn impactful.
(Pun unintentionally apropos)
PSA Flight 182 crashed in San Diego 1 mile from our place growing up - with 140 some lives lost.
Its a memory that just never leaves.
At least here it looks like the pilots aimed away from homes.
Tragic this happened in darkness
In daylight they may have found an appropriate sized Highway.
Oh sorry I thought you would be happy, but you weren’t TOO happy right? 🙄
They still could’ve crashed and killed people on the ground though.
Alright Karen.
Jesse was my neighbor and good friend when this happened. I'll never forget getting the call from another pilot friend. Jesse stayed in the apartment below mine outside Detroit. I use to invite him up for dinner and Games on TV when he was in town. This is the first time I ever got to understand what happened. It was very hard to watch this, it brought back a lot of memories of him.
He was a great guy. Northwest flew me to FL for his memorial. So sad for him and his FO. I still miss him, May they RIP. I'm glad you made this video. Thank you.
NOT the proper time for "boys will be boys!" Thanks to TheFlightChannel for a thorough explanation, including showing the instruments acting and the captions. Well done.
It’s frightening to think those two were tasked with flying passengers. They didn’t sound mature enough to operate a go-kart.
my thoughts exactly
To me it seems they only acted recklessly because they didn't have passengers. I doubt they would've gone to the service ceiling or swapped seats during a regular passenger flight.
They don't even sound mature enough for Mario-Kart tbh.
@@leeriches8841 well, they were smart enough to fly a plane ✈️.. can you?
@@Trblsum96 And dumb enough to put one down, losing their lives in the process
In ground school back in 1966, I was told that "There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots"!
Exactly what an 81 year old retired UA pilot told me when we were doing church work together.
Ya well, military pilots are all mostly bold as hell and have nerves of steel and a lot of them grow old.
So, your message must only pertain to civilian pilots....correct?
@@chrisholder4978 Let me put it this way, just after my brother got his license, (he was 2 years older) he joined the Army and traded his civil license for a Military one, and to be even considering such a move, one must be bold to fly over enemy territory, getting shot at. But, we both heard the same thing in civil ground school, but what the Army taught him, I do not know! I will add though, that while on a patrol (he flew Bird Dog, recon) a VC got a rocket off right under him, slamming through his plane, just behind his seat. Only singed the hair off the back of his neck , missing any cables or important stuff. So, "bold as hell and have nerves of steel and a lot of them grow old." yes and thankfully he is growing old!
Now that I am on this subject, and we should honor our service men and women, I meet an old WW2 bomber last year at a nursing home, before this covid thing hit. He was 99 years old, and talk about (military pilots are all mostly bold as hell and have nerves of steel and a lot of them grow old) he was such a one, as he was on a crew aboard a B-24 Marauder, having done (survived) 67 missions over Germany, including D-Day. He said, (after asking a dumb question), "what was it like" he said; "It got hot", speaking of the triple A, ack ack .
Really? Nobody has ever heard that before.
@@chrisholder4978 I think it really means stupidly bold pilots but that doesn't rhyme as well.
Watching these videos I’ve learned how difficult it is to fly and how many things there are to go wrong. I can’t imagine screwing around like that. Maybe it was the Dunning Kruger effect.
No, it was the "I am an arrogant idiot" effect. Anyone with intelligence and humility would understand that there are places and times to do things appropriately, versus "playing around" to "see what happens"!
Imagining hearing those TTS voices going "sink rate pull up!" in my last moments while I'm desperately trying to salvage the situation sends chills down my spine
At least they didn’t kill anyone else with their foolishness.
@james murphy they pitched down and used gravity but they were unsucessful
and to think they almost did when looking for a road or highway to land on. Nope you messed up, you bin that in a field or water
after the engines flamed out what they needed was more speed not less. the core of the engine was allowed to spool down and that core locked the engines, until internal temperatures equalized the engine could not be restarted... they ran out of time,
There's a saying many student pilots are told by their instructors: *There are old pilots and there are bold pilots. But there are no old, bold pilots.*
I am curious what was inside their heads seconds before the impact, probably thinking "If only we didn't do that" and full with regret..
The most dangerous words a pilot can say is: “Watch this”.
Not really
Well... the thought I try to keep out of my mind when flying in an airline is this... the simple fact that our lives are in the hands of fellow human beings who have the same free will to choose whatever they wish to do... and if they wanted they could dive the plane straight into the ground or straight up... then down... at any moment. The only thing stopping then is their own belief and preference for safety.
A close second would be "Hold my beer"..
One of the first things my flight instructor said.....
@@jtoddwalsh Good instructor!
this video is very impressive. The silence when the stick shaker sounds....it's terrifying. Bravo.
Forget a horror movie. This had me gripping the sheets in bed.
When your flight takes off and lands safely you count your blessings
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing, any landing that the plane can take off again afterwards is a great landing.
@@jimmyjoe8225 AMEN brother! I never complain about air travel - even the obese woman paying for one seat instead of two at the expense of half of my seat and the one on her other side. If I walk out of that plane, it's mission accomplished, no questions asked and no promises broken. I've had several 14-15 hr flights as well and when that sucker touches down, I'm happy as a kitten just that we MADE IT.
I pray and ask Holy Mary for protection of my family and I and for wisdom on the part of the pilots when we fly. It works! Never had a crash.
(I rationally know that safe flying is not the result of my praying, but I keep praying just for that extra pinch of help!)
@@fiegenfiegen yes every time i fly once we both engines are started i make a quick prayer to god and to holy mary so they protect me. Always seems to work
Amen!
Pilot: look how high we are
Minutes later...
Plane: pull up, terrain.
Not a funny situation but I had a good laugh at this one.
i laughed this one
Juan gerardo : Going to 41,000 ft.wasn't the problemThe problem was they weren't flying fast enough.
They were at 163 knots when they should've been at 250 knots.
Things would've been fine if they had been at the right airspeed.(13:10)
Air Control: Whoa, that was quick! That's also a record. I've never heard of such a "dropping descent" from that altitude!
Ooppsss... sorry, I meant just dropping.
Ain't no descent on my radar!
Pilot ~ sounding macho and in a non-urgent demeanor:
"We're cool! No need to prep for an emergency landing there..."
Pls fill in the blank of what the macho captain possibly said?
Final transmission:
".... _______________!"
IKR?? It's as bad as the kid in the pilot's seat...what does this lever do, daddy?
I think about the families who have to contend with not only the deaths of someone they loved, but also that their loved ones had caused the crash by being stupid. No heroes here.
Trying to fly a CRJ like a F-16 is an mind set I saw in GA. Most people learn via experience by the time they get to 121, it ain’t YOUR jet to play around with. THAT is the mark of a Professional.
The numbers in the Flight Manual were put there by the Factory Test pilots for a reason.
44 years of flying, mostly in 121, taught me that.
I’ve crashed for that same reason soooo many times in flight simulator. Crazy that real pilots could make such a mistake.
Same with me. In my young years i even thought, its a bug in flight simulator that i cant restart the engines again. But it seems to be absolutely correct. And i dont have any pilot education at all. At least they flew alone. And they got what they wanted: the fun of their lives. Just dont know, why they couldnt have that fun in a flight simulator. I did so much silly shit in flight simulator - for fun reasons ;) ... Or if they want real fun.. there are those red bull airplane-races, where the airplanes are designed to do ''fun stuff'' ... There is a place for fun - and there is a place for seriousness. I'm really glad they didnt had passengers. It was bad enough that they crashed in a urban place with a lot of homes, and thankfully no one on the ground died because of their 'need' to have fun.
Why? You've got over 10 km to recover? Why crash. I don't get it?
@@pilotactor777 The reasons were quiet good explained in the video i think.
Mistake? No
@@oneseeker2 Why it isnt a mistake in your opinion?
Even the poor plane tried to alert them multiple times but then she realized they probably have a death wish and gave them what they wanted.
300 knts windmill??? WTF 41000 feet, they tried several times to turn on motors??? come on...
@@ze2004 seriously. If you want to relight engines, you gotta be willing to push the nose down. Based on the description that they were executing pitch up maneuvers, it sounds like they were maybe afraid of pointing the airplane at the ground and going fast.
Okay, except the "she" part. Material objects and applications are male.
@@standalon3308 But somehow people call ship a she.
@@FeelFree3 Not the first thing done wrong for millennia. .
I have no idea how I found your channel but I love it ! Great content
This might be the most avoidable accident I've heard off.
Indeed, this crash made the Darwin Awards.
The transcript of the voice recorder on this is absolutely shameful. They were literally laughing and joking all the way til it went wrong. Disgusting.
where can we hear it?
Where can we hear it?
Where can we hear it?
Hear can? where it we
2203:15RDO-1 ah we had an engine failure up there at altitude it at ah airplane ah went into a stall and one of our engine's failure
This is the tale of Icarus for the modern era.
Great analogy.
At least they learned something from Ickarus,by flying at night.
Nice.
More like the tale of 2 stupid guys
BEST comment of 2021!!!!!!!
"We don't have any passengers on board, so we decided to have a little fun." Perhaps the stupidest words ever uttered by a pilot. Anyone that stupid should not be allowed to fly a plane -- with or without passengers. It is not just their own lives that are at stake -- it is the lives of those on other planes in the air and the lives on people on the ground.
I'm not a pilot or ever flown, I'm just here from the financial sector just to learn. Thank you for a beautiful Channel.
Multiple times during this video I was mumbling to myself "WTF are you guys doing? WTF are you guys doing!"
Same here. It's extremely worrying that these are 'professionals' and often with peoples lives in their hands. You'd think they have some idea.....
Doug Masters from, "Iron Eagle" takes a airline gig.....
I saw the transcript of the CVR of this flight. A real jaw dropper.
Omg i wasn’t mumbling it I was yelling it out loud wtf are u dumb bastards doing I was still saying it after I put my phone down
You should read the CVR transcript - It's WAAAY more WTF than this summarised version. They knew they were abusing the aircraft and laughing about it. Sad for their families but honestly we're all better off without them.
At FL410, when the engines flamed out, there was enough thermal shock to ensure core lock conditions would occur. The plane's operating manual did not make it clear that you needed in excess of 300 knots to windmill the engine. But it was a moot point because the turbine blades had melted in the right engine (No. 2)-- which reached a temp of over 1200 degrees C (300 over redline). According to the transcript, they actually reached 44,000 feet, overrode the anti-stall nose-down maneuvers four times, and misinformed ATC that there was only a single-engine flame- out and wasted 14 minutes trying to restart the engines instead of lining up the appropriate airport to land in. They could have saved their lives and aircraft if they had acknowledged to themselves what dire straits they were, in at the appropriate time.
They were too busy trying to cover up the fact they were goofing off and it bit them.
Thank you for that added info. It helped fill in a few gaps.
Steve. How did T blades get so overheated - You mentioned thermal shock can you explain that more?
That was exactly what I was thinking about.. if they had immediately started to look out for an airport for an emergency landing and saving as much altitude as possible to glide to the airport instead of wasting altitude and time by trying to start the engines 4 times, then they could have a better chance! I know nothing about airplanes, but it looks like you can glide for miles after engine failure when you have enough altitude and speed, especially when you start at 40,000ft. I think they would have a good range if they saved as much altitude as possible.
But I don't understand why the engines failed.. nor why they couldn't make enough speed downwards.. but someone said it was the wrong autopilot setting. But I still don't know about the engines and why they melted or smth. Was it because they were gaining altitude to fast and ended up to high where air is thinner?? I'm trying to understand..
@@IronWarrior95 Engine parts are made from different metals and metal alloys. They all have different temp limits.
When the engines stalled from being so high altitude (they went ABOVE 41 at some point) and low airspeed, they immediately and abruptly started cooling down due to the extremely low temps at that altitude.
Thus, some engine parts cooled more rapidly than others, which made the fan blades seize into the surrounding "casing". This is called a core lock.
And yes, you are right. They climbed so rapidly, the engine temps were far beyond max limits, which guaranteed they would get a core lock when the engines stalled due to the disrupted airflow at that altitude, attitude and speed.
Its interesting how accidents of this magnitude almost never ever happen because of a single event. The "stars of error" have to align in just the right terrible way.
Which usually always begins with human error.
Pilots are supposed to take their job very seriously, and as commanded. Not to go for a joyride. I hope every pilot will understand that.
There’s a reason why that altitude is called ‘coffin corner’ in aviation
Theflightchannel needs to be rewarded with a show, absolutely phenomenal
here’s another good flight channel, typically he provides fact based commentary
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@@ecs2ecs46 Mentour pilot is very good. thanks for showing me :)
Why would you want this content interrupted by a bunch of erectile dysfunction commercials on cable tv
@@d_all_in I mean on netflix or something. i think avgeeks would like a show about aviation on netflix for once
@@thedatboi_ it already is a show and you're watching it.
while the stories in your videos are so very sad, they are beautifully made. thankyou
I absolutely love this channel! Thank you!
One thing I've learned from all these videos is how many hours you have flying in no way translates to how good you actually are at flying when shit hits the fan....
well, you can scrach the hours to zero at that altitude becouse it was first time for both of them.
Nah, what probably occurs to some pilots is the more hours they get, the more confident they get. Resulting in over confidence. Where if they have say 15,000 hours, they might feel like they are too good to screw up.
@@Rokaize correct. One of the basic core principals of CRM and why it’s so important to stay humble and avoid that mindset.
None of them were in this complacency area in which too much experience can go against you. They were simply stupid kids..
@@Rokaize correct. That's basically the point I was making.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."
Albert Einstein
Well, sad to say, it is usually not STUPIDITY, but simply humans being humans and doing human things.
"quoting albert einstein in an attempt to appear less stupid never usually works" my local barber
@@chrisholder4978 To be stupid is not human, it is postero-human.
By the way, the universe is finite. It must in order to be spherical. Just an aside.
Wise words
I worked on coaches to and from airports. There was one driver who would take the scenic route home, country lanes, if we had no passengers. A 60 seater coach at top speed was alarming for me but fun for him. Similar attitude.
Great videos. Important work, thank you.
The music that you use in your videos after the planes crash along with the “in memory of” at the end always gets me choked up. Every damn time.
Very true. Another thing that's so amazing about TFC videos. Every detail of the videos is spot on.
i googled "poor airmenship" and it brought me here. there seemed to be nothing redeeming about this flight at all.
🤖 You are in a simulation Johnny
It’s really not poor airmanship, they just weren’t experienced enough about the cores locking etc. Every pilot has had their own fun before.
Just curious. What makes a person Google "poor airmanship"? Is the lockdown getting to you?
@@nickv4073 learn how to take a joke. has the lockdown gotte to you?
@@johnnyfiveo Oh, it was a joke. Ummmmmmmm, okay. If you say so.
This was my uncle Jesse’s crash. He was a good man but he was a daredevil. And he pushed it a little too far. He made sure not to hit those houses though. As the family we got to hear the whole black box recording. He was making sure not to hit those houses on the way down.
Man, I'm not even a pilot and I know they had to dive that plane to restart those engines.
When Aviation gives Beavis and Butthead pilots licenses
They seem to give those licences to anyone: even a lot of airline-pilots behave like knuckleheads, like that impatient KLM chief pilot who took out 582 people plus himself in the 1977 Tenerife crash.
@@None-zc5vg lol. That’s not what happened. It was foggy and there was miscommunication between the tower and the pilot. It was more of a freak accident than pilot error. It was the perfect storm, literally, of circumstances at Tenerife.
@@theaveragesimmer4780 not to mention the stupid airline policy about overflight hours.
But the majority of the blame remains on the captain, an extra minute of patience wouldn’t have killed anyone, his hubris did however.
@@AncestorEmpireGaming that’s hindsight. The fog, the delays, the diversions to Tenerife, the fact that Tenerife couldn’t handle the capacity of multiple 747s..... it wasn’t the captains fault. It was a perfect storm set in the ancient 1970s era of aviation.
@@theaveragesimmer4780 the accident doesn’t happen if the captain holds his,position for a minute at the most.
He was in a rush to take off and didn’t double check with the ATC.
The blame isn’t entirely his, but he shares a good amount of it.
Remember the day well, worked for Pinnacle as a line mechanic at the time. Had spoken with the crew that morning.
Did they seem stupid?
God that's terrible. Imagine having a mundane conversation with some people then hearing they'd died not 24 hours later. Hard to wrap your head around.
@JGSH Yes it is. Just the usual logbook check and a minute or two chat.
When I was in the Navy, Worked and Maintained Ejection Seats. Get sad when Watch these video's. Retired Navy and Retired A&P mechanic.
These videos are truly excellent. Every new pilot should spend the time reviewing many of these “accidents” as a learning experience.
The lesson from this one is: Yes...a jet can stall especially at high altitude.
Its called “coffin corner” for a reason.
Look at the charts. 34 years of flying Boeing’s teaches you that.
I think the true lesson is to not become complacent. Follow regulations even if they don't seem necessary in a given situation.
"The Defense Department regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because they were stupid".
Why would the defense department notify the parents of these civilian pilots, Goose?
I get the reference and it is spot-on and all they need to do is just change it to the NTSB and it would be actually accurate because that's exactly what they were.... stupid
"Death by Misadventure." 😬
Where’d he go?! Where’d who go?!
They did every thing short of take the Photo inverted....
Me: flying a plane will always be a dream for me
Pilots: getting bored while flying and crashing the plane
That’s the difference between fantasy and reality.
As a pilot that in the past flew commuters, I can tell you that you do in fact get bored at times just like any other job. It is too routine, and you literally fight sleep while flying at times. As a young new pilot I was eyes wide open and exhilarated...several hundred hours later flying the same route in the same plane it does in fact get a bit monotonous...Not in an "I hate my job" way...but simply in a "we do this every day" kind of way. Hard to explain I guess...but I understand why with no passengers on board it was tempting to do a few rare maneuvers...had they managed the auto pilot better this would have been a non event with no RUclips critiques of that flight...
@@MikeM275 I guess that’s why they call it a “job”...
It’s actually not THAT expensive...
@@neophobicnyctophile8264
Job =/= no fun
Imagine how terrifying it would have been for them knowing they where going to crash land and being conscious all the way until the last seconds.
Imagine if it crashed into a populated area and the relatives found out that those died on the ground or lost their homes was because the pilot was messing about having fun. It was very fortunate that didn't happen, but still no doubt traumatic for those who had to attend the crash site.
I'm not big on corporate cheerleading, but this is just a statement of fact: *That plane does not belong to you.* It is not yours to needlessly expose to the risk of being damaged or destroyed! Even the airline is probably renting the plane from another entity. SO: Besides the threat of death, you're also disrespecting company property.
Stating the perfectly obvious. But you're not alone; 99% of these comments are doing the same.
@@generalyellor8188 Glad to have given you a yawn to brighten the malaise.
“Nothing parties like a rental”
Do you know who owns a lot of these aircraft, when you get to the bottom of the corporate pile? Teachers’ pension plans. One major investor in US real estate and aircraft is the Ontario, Canada teachers’ pension plan.
They also got rules and regulations for a reason. You don't try to test the limits of a commercial airliner if you don't own or made the plane, nor have permission to experiment, and you don't do it with a newbie on the other seat. Those planes can already have issues when flown as directed, and they are so finicky in what speeds and loads and configurations are necessary to take off and land properly, the last thing you wanna do is play around with them.
These 2 pilots were like a couple of teenagers drifting in their used BMW in a busy intersection with no regard for anything but their thrill.
That sounds so specific and yet so true.
Seriously, they really should've checked their attitude.
Only thing missing was the Iron Eagle tape player.......
Reminds me of a pretty recent BMW crash in Singapore except they were young adults.
Well if they had a bit of skill things would be fine, not spotting a dangerous loss of speed, not reacting to warnings, doing just about everything wrong, that plane was within its limits up at 41,000 feet, just stupid piloting really,
Ty for all the time you put in these videos 😅🤠😎
you do an amazing job depicting these
"Son, your ego is writing checks your body can't cash"
I'll have you flying rubber dog shit out of HONG KONG!!!!!!!!!!!
@@kinkane5566 if you miss this much... you will be flying dog shit ouuta hongkobg
@@sanskariladkaa193 going strictly from memory.. not having seen the movie in maybe 30 plus years “You’ll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong”. As a kid I thought “what’s wrong with that?” lol.
Deh one ya priceless.
Lol, "the defense department regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because...."
I clearly remember this incident. I was the station manager for Delta at the time, having taken the helm from my good friend Sonny Bankston in 1997. I was scheduled to leave for Fiji the morning (Friday), after this incident but Instead found myself in an emergency meeting with the airport manager and a few other higher ups. We had offered to assist with maintenance but Pinnacle politely declined.
Godspeed to those young pilots.
A couple of things. First, the graphics and animation are incredibly mind-blowing! Outstanding work! Second, it's truly frightening that "qualified" pilots continue to make these type of horrible decisions. The only silver lining here, is that there were no passengers on board. As a reality check, there are pilots all over the world, that finish last their respective training and certification classes, and barely pass check-rides, and as passengers, we never know who's actually flying our commercial aircraft, and what type of risks we're walking into.
After flying almost weekly, I don't even think about it. I have a job where I travel alot throughout the year. As of now, I have 450,971 miles on American Airlines. I remember my first flight for this job almost 20 years ago, I was terrified.
Crew's last words: "Were gonna hit trees dude". They'd have been fine at 41k if they had finished the climb in Mach mode like you were supposed to. They were very light. Only one of the engines was temporarily core locked, and that was because the FO let the speed drop below 240 kt. Once the N2 of the left engine went to zero when he let the speed decay, their fate was sealed. The right engine had burned up from a hot flame out and was no good in any case. One bit of fallout was airplanes off the line had to have a core lock test and demonstration done during production flight test, which involved shutting down the engine, letting it cool down, slowing until the core stopped, and diving and marking the speed and altitude it started spinning again. Another was training in high altitude stalls had to be introduced in sim training. Not at all like the recovery technique at 10000 ft, you have to dive aggressively with no dicking around. The upper flight levels are a dangerous place, a fact these guys were blissfully unaware of.
I bet when they took off from Little Rock they never imagined their lives would be over in less than two hours due to their gross negligence.
Well.. Nobody actually thinks of dying on the day death happens to you.. It just happens unexpectedly..(unless you commit suicide/pls don't do that anybody)..
I lived a mile from this crash site and remember hearing the boom when it happened. A friend of mine lived right next to the crash site and the plane damage melted the siding off her house. Luckily it crashed right between four houses and nobody on the ground was injured.
My God, they're lucky to be alive
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I am glad no one was injured.
I was looking at a map of the airport and the nearby crash site. I'm guessing they didn't see the river at night because neither pilot mentions it in the cvr transcript. They might have had a better chance of survival if they ditched it there. You know the area a lot better than me. Whaddaya think?
Wow that's so lucky it missed all the houses
Love these videos because you do not need volume. you can watch them at night in bed with significant other without disturbing them. I don't have headphones so this really helps .
Love the thumbnails, love the stories. This channel would be so great if it just had a narration.
Even without a pilot's license, you should know "Speed Down, Nose Down"
yeah Im not even a pilot and watching them try to climb in a stall was crazy
As a pilot they have pressure on them like not deviating from their cleared altitude and getting in trouble. Yes obviously getting written up is preferable to dying, but that is most likely the place they were coming from mentally. I'm cleared to 41, for no good reason, if this causes a pilot deviation I may never fly again, we need to stay at 41 until we are cleared for lower, no matter what.
Honestly amazed at how little it appears this pilot knew about aerodynamics
@@GigsVT it was a full fledged emergency. Who knows maybe the air france 447 co pilot was trying to maintain altitude during a stall my friend, and he was blamed for the crash
@@nitsgupta6670 my point is they felt pressure to try to hide it as long as possible
I assume if they did get the plane back on the ground in one piece that their careers were basically over....
Life fired them before that could happen
Flights up to max altitude is not against the rules if done properly. However they did everything wrong which led to the crash. They likely would have been fine if they descended after noticing the slowing of their speed or not override the stick pusher which tried to save the plane.
@@Tech_Otter Would you test a plane maximum anything, not knowing how well maintained it is and you knowing you are not a test pilot?
But alive.. Better than a career loss...
@@Tech_Otter They actually went several thousand ABOVE MAX ALLOWED which this video did not disclose.
I'm not a pilot, but I would think if you're going to take a twin engine jet up to its max surface ceiling, you would climb at a rate that doesn't exceed the energy state of the aircraft to keep it airborne, by not climbing out at an excessive rate, monitor the flights instruments, keep a check on your airspeed, engine performance, make sure you're at level flight, etc. It's kind of hard to believe that once they reached 41, 000 ft the aircraft entered into an aerodynamic stall, which the pilots didn't catch in time to prevent, then had both engines flame out, then didn't use the correct procedure to relight the engines, which ended up destroying a perfectly good aircraft, and killing both pilots.
I wonder, if the pilots had landed the plane, how were they going to explain away the damage...
A bird came outta no where I swear! Anyways they wouldn't have been able 2 so they decided it would be a lot easier to just crash the plane, have their families collect on the insurance policies, and just die in the explosion so you don't have to look for another career a week later.
I wish they were mature enough to understand how precious their lives were
This is sickeningly disrespectful.
@@mehere8299 How so?
And to have a little fun but to over do it with someone else's property was reckless.
I wish they were mature enough to understand how precious are the lives of everyone who was under them, while they were being so dangerously reckless with the unprofessional and selfish intent of “enjoying their alone time with the aircraft”. What a way to waste a perfectly functioning aircraft.
Regarding their behaviour i would say the life of those two morons wasn't precious at all...
This feels like me when I was in my teens and trying to fly a 'flight simulator' on my home computer in the 1980s, before even reading the manual.
😂😂
This case haunted me a little. I've read that one of pilots had a family with 2 little kids and third on a way (baby was born 2 months after pilot death). I feel so sorry for his family.
Both pilots chose to play and paid for it dearly. They will be remembered as fools. Rest in peace.
If you're gonna die doing something 'fun' in an airplane, at the very least make it like, a barrel roll or a loop, not just flaming out because you flew too high and didn't get the engines restarted.