Battle of Himera 480 BC - Greco-Carthaginian Sicilian Wars DOCUMENTARY
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Can u guys do anglo-indians wars(anglo-mysore, anglo-maratha, anglo-sikhs,paika rebellion and Indian revolution) or great northern war plz plz.
OH VALLEY OF PLENTY!
@@Feederfanis how much Greek independence had effect on the world?
@@AdamNoizer ?
Make a video on 1965 Indo pak war
Pre-Punic War conflicts in Italy and Magna Graecia deeply interest me.
@@NiskaMagnusson there is also the mod Hegemonia City States for Rome: Total War (the first one). You can play as one of the many polises in Magna Graecia or Syracuse, as well as Etruscans, Greeks of the homeland, Persians, and others. The historical notes are great, too.
@@NiskaMagnusson
I agree, it needs content. I bought the greek special edition on day one, my mistake lol.
El Bandito
Me too, i'm higly interested in the history of the mediteranian world before the Punic wars. But the history of pre-roman Italy, Sicilly, Sardinia and Corsica i like the most. It's sad that this topic is so underestimated in history and media. For games you have of course got the rise of the republic DLC for Rome 2, some mods, and imperator Rome, sadly for me they are PC exclusive, as i Play on PS4. (Hopefully paradox will some day release a console edititon of imperator Rome, as they have done with Stellaris.)
It's sad that muslims concquered Carthage because they almost destroyed anything that was pre-islamic. Meanwhile if Carthage stayed christian it achievements would stayed forever.
How so? Roman Carthage has nothing to do with the original Carthage in any way. Romans burned down the city in the first place and salted it to make the lands uninhabitable.
*Absolutely* want more. So little is known about Carthage outside of the punic wars.
It's sad that muslims conquered Roman Carthage because they almost destroyed anything that was pre-islamic. Meanwhile if Carthage stayed christian it achievements would stayed forever.
@@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 was the carthaginians in those times a mix of Spaniards Africans and other races from neighboring lands are majority African from your research just curious because if they was predominantly African which is possible than Sicily was a black island/country at 1 time before it was European greek/Italian roman
@@ManuelMartinez-bi8cb i thought the Carthaginians were a Semitic race that came from Lebanon.....What do you mean by African? Northern African or Africa as a whole....
@@ManuelMartinez-bi8cb Please to mosaics, pottery and paintings....Sicily was NEVER a black island......Also check the DNA sites and as well a plenty of Genetic sites on Sicily
@@ManuelMartinez-bi8cb The upper class of carthage was at the very least not black since they were decended from phonecian settlers. And then we can add that they had more trade/relations with the mideteranian world than sub saharan africa and i'd asume not. I assume they looked somewhat like modern berbers/arabs in the region today.
The impersonated cavalry was a genius tactic.
Sun Tzu would admire it. "All warfare is based on deception"
Even Chinggis Khan
@@lukehaddad5185 I was thinking Makarov from the Modern Warfare franchise
@@Ne0mega The allies that were supposed to send cavalry were a Greek city that sided with Carthage.
@@AerosRift_ALD Ah, goes to show....
A thalassocracy or thalattocracy (from Classical Greek: θάλασσα, romanized: thalassa (Attic Greek: θάλαττα, romanized: thalatta) transl. 'sea', and Ancient Greek: κρατεῖν, romanized: kratein, lit. 'power'; giving Koinē Greek: θαλασσοκρατία, romanized: thalassokratia, lit. 'sea power') is a state with primarily maritime realms, an empire at sea, or a seaborne empire.
Julian Castaneda yes.but the first name of the Greeks is Pelasgos,singular and Pelasgyoi, plural.πελασγος,Πελασγοί.
Would this word apply even to bigger modern empires like the Dutch or British Empires at their peaks? What about an interstellar empire where planets act as free ports?
yeah but what θάλασσα means ?
@@ofoufoutos7110 It's a very old word and even Homer used it on 7th Century BC. It is believed it was a word loan from non Indoeuropean people. If that's true then predates even the Mycenaeans ( Greeks-Indoeuropeans, 16th - 11th Century BC) and probably derives from natives like the Minoans (27th - 11th Century BC) where we know these two met and trade with each other.
@BRUH BRUH Bruh.
A Greek army infiltrating an enemy camp using horses? where have we heard that before?
Funny that we even call types of virus and malware 'Trojan horses' on our computers.
Gelon learnt history well
they infiltrated the Carthaginian camp dressed as Selinus cavalry which at that time were Punic allies.
In Troy Story.
In Sisily the Greeks fighting different
"Who are you? You're kinda dressed like Syracusans..."
"Nah, we're your allies. We only look like Syracusans."
"Yeah that checks out."
Cons of using a mercenary only army
Carthaginian guard:" What's the password"
Greek:" uhh...please?"
Carthaginian guard:"Yeah that's it welcome to the camp"
Syracuse is one of my favorite city-states. Anything even remotely about them is most welcomed!
L.endre that’s where Archimedes died.
Rome betrayed Syracuse after they defeated Carthage.
@@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 while Hiero II stayed in power they remained allies but his grandson influenced by his uncles and some Hannibal's officials changed sides, who can blame them since it seemed like an inminent victory for Carthage but still Syracuse was the one that broke the alliance then came Marcellus and the rest is history; btw if are you remotely interested in the world of anime / manga there is a short manga called Heureka that is based in the Siege of Syracuse by the forces of M. Claudius Marcellus.
The Athenian Expeditionary force would probably disagree with you
Bro, I live in Syracuse, and you have my respect.
The impersonated cavalry was a true "Trojan Horse" move, I think it definitely caused the decisive win
Ah, that Rome 1 Greek music at the end was so nostalgic. :D
"Alexander conquered the world, he took a Greek army to the far Indus, there was nothing left to conquer. But now, now Alexander is dead."
@@naiad5043 it's called being poetic
@@georgekosko5124 aha ok😂
@@naiad5043 you still deleted your comment though
@@georgekosko5124 yeah,coz you mentioned why the above comment was posted.
@@naiad5043 ...?
The Greco-Carthaginian wars are so underated. i love how you always cover so many different topics :)
"And this made war inevitable" is my favorite line of all time.
It's a good line. But my favourite line of all time is when LindyBeige said "then peace broke out" deadpan for the first time.
Carthaginian history in a nutshell:
“Our mercenary armies have failed us!”
Carthage: “Lets give them another shot.”
If at first you don't succeed...try...try...try...try...try...try...try...try...try...try...try...try...try...try...try...and try again
It's sad that muslims concquered Carthage because they almost destroyed anything that was pre-islamic. Meanwhile if Carthage stayed christian it achievements would stayed forever.
@@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 Are you confusing west for east or something, it's a quiet not well understood syndrome but happy recovery anyway
but let's also crucify the generals who failed us.
Carthage had no choice but to use and rely on their mercenary armies... Rome would suffer the same fate 800 years later for doing the same thing and relying on mercenary armies... [Those that don't know their history are doomed to repeat it...]
History is not the profession of knowing facts and recording data. It is the art of Storytelling, and you guys have mastered it. So glad I found you guys. Thank you for everything.
We need to hear way more about Magna Graecia! Archimedes of Syracuse, Milo of Kroton, etc, so many great characters!
Pythagoras also lived in Croton, he even was a friend of Milo
Greek Intro soundtrack from RTW1. Respect.
I love that song. When I was younger I used to start a Greek campaign over and over again just to see that intro.
@@heronofalexandria91 Arguably one of the greatest faction intros in the Total War Series.
Charging against an enemy who has the high ground and pushing them is the most badass thing I've ever seen.
I love how smoothly you transitioned into the Greek intro as Greeks won the battle
Details such as these make me so happy that I subscribed to this channel
Another big thank you to you for making the many Ottoman videos as they allowed me to get an A from that period in History in my faculty :D
Mislav Čović wow congrats this channel is just a good service in education and entertainment
Great video as always! As a sidenote, the city of Panormus was founded as "Ziz" by the Phoenicians. Because of it's large harbour the Greeks later named it "Panormus", meaning "All-port", from which the current name "Palermo" is derived.
Palermo is actually an italianisation or latinisation of the Arabic, Balharm. That is the case for many towns in the west of Sicily, which was slightly more arabised than the very perennial Hellenic east half of the island. Other examples are Marsala ( Mars-allah or god’s port) and Pantelleria (Bintilirir, meaning daughter of the wind) or Sciacca ( Al Shaka, meaning water) and other towns.
@@katarzynamilioto1310 Interesting, I hadn't heard about this. I looked it up and it seems that the Arabs themselves shifted the greek name to Balharm or Balarm.
@@katarzynamilioto1310 You skipped a step. The arabic name Balarm, was changed in Balermus by the Normans, that resumed the latin assonance. Only after, in the modern era, Balermus became Bal(a)rmuh (a proununced e). The last passage, was italianate in Palermo.
@@davidfiorini6416 I swear getting into history shows its far more interesting than fantasy books and movies.
Its strange how mere city names can have such stories behind why they are called that.
Cover the battles of the Greek cities in Spain as well as the ones in the bosphorus against the scythians!
@Urarettin -D- Lexxar emporion and the surrounding colonies. They traded and fought with the Spanish and the Gauls for decades until Rome came and offered them protection. Massalia is also very interesting! Also the colonies in the bosphorus were ruled/rules over the scythians and sarmatians. They eventually became a major source of grain for the Eastern Roman empire if I remember correctly
Great upload. Thanks K&G!
“Greco-Carthaginian Sicilian war”
That’s one long name for a war
At least it's not "The Greco-Carthaginian Sicilian War of the Mediterranean".
The Sicilan - Greco Phoenician-Sicilian-Carthaginian War Of the Early Classical era.
Laslus wait that exists?
@@Layesone Still shorter than the Human war on Nature. Started 300 thousand years ago the moment the cognitive revolution happened. Unfortunately, we're winning it seems.
Greco-Punic Wars
The war with Agathocles is fascinating, particularly with how Diodorus uses it as a moral cautionary tale in his history. You should definitely cover it!
Honestly pre punic wars are all so interesting it's crazy. Love it
the greeks could rule the world playing in the background give me chills!
This video was magnificent! Thank you, author! Love to dear Greek people!
I'm a simple man. I hear the Rome 1 Greek intro theme, I press like.
waking up to another great video from Kings. Love it when you do Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome 👍
Think you might be wrong about the hoplites shielding the soldier to their right. I am pretty sure if you have a shield on your left arm, you shield the man to your left and rely on the man on your right to shield you. That's why the phanalyx would shift to it's right as each hoplite would attempt to get as much of himself as he could behind the man on his rights shield.
Ah! Greeks are really something else, taking bold action that grants the greatest rewards! All the while Gelon remained steadfast and patient with his conquest - truly a legendary era with real human legends.
I'm sure those "Carthaginian" guys are done for. We'll never hear of them again in the future.
Rome: I can't hear you over sound of how awesome I am.
C:fall of Romans was far worse than what they did with carthigians XD far worse and more humiliating by all military aspects
It's sad that muslims concquered Carthage because they almost destroyed anything that was pre-islamic. Meanwhile if Carthage stayed christian it achievements would stayed forever.
@@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 The Roman's sacked Carthage, not the Muslims. They destroyed the great library's and sold the population into slavery.
@@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 stayed Christian and u would be next constinople stop propaganda kid crusades largest achievement was wiping enimes of God aka the other Christians from their point of view lol they keep fighting each other burning each other and sometimes anahilating each other
With seven in total Greco-Carthaginian wars in Sicily, I am sure there will be many more videos to come! As always, great work K&Gs!
Ancient Greeks vs ancient Carthaginians. Such a badass showdown of two great civilizations!
Wow, the cavalry we sent for sure did get here quickly......
great video. its amazing that we have all this detail about an event that happened 2500 years ago.
Carthage got sooo lucky that Alexander the Great died early, for they were on his “to do list” .
So were the Romans.
@@firstLast-jw7bm Good point, made me chuckle.
Alexander's empire wouldve fallen apart he wasn't interested rulling an empire just conquering it ...IT WAS TOO BIG look at the state of the east when Rome got there the hellenic kingdoms up until the were so bad at administering for example Egypt was producing the same amount of revenue as gaul ( a place of no infrastructure or anything ) 40 million a few years a roman rule and they were getting upwards of 250-300 million revenue a year so yes I love alexander in terms of his general ship but the Macedonian empire would never have lasted and I think he wouldve had to pulled back
@@thomasstenson3706 Right, I agree, but given the life spans of the day for the upper classes he should have had another 20 or 30 years had he not died on the battlefield, or by illness like he did. It probably would have held together that long.
@@thomasstenson3706 dont be a fool
Another piece of forgotten but yet intriguing history. Thank you so much for showing this video!
Ancient army: *sets sail*
The ocean: NO
Do more videos in this era please! I cannot get enough of how you connect two distinct events into one bigger picture of ancient history!
Carthage: We rule the Mediterr-
Rome: *NO*
Fun fact: Carthage was established before Rome, it's sad Rome destroyed this Civilization, but i guess it was destiny for Rome to rule.
@@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 it is their destiny to rule the Mediterranean! Why else would Rome be located in the middle of it? Roma Invicta
@@torismund2100 nice logic
@Glen Edmondson You sound like a communist..Be ready.
@Glen Edmondson mm okay
Thanks for everything you all do.
Wow, the Greek were pretty sneaky. That was a cool battle.
You just fulfilled our expectations : thanks for covering this first Greco-Sicilian war ! What a decisive moment for the world's history as you put it in your intro. In the short time frame of this type of video, the historical and geographical context is perfectly outlined and explained, the staging of the events very well carried out. Once more, congrats Kings and Generals ! Looking forward for the next one.
I learned a lot. Can't wait for the rematches at Himera in 409 and 311
I love that you are one of the few history channels that use BC keep up the good work guys!
Haven't watched it yet but I already now that your content is amazing! Good job!
This is a subject that doesn't get a lot of coverage. Thank you for this!
Very interesting video!
The round shield ("hoplon"), though, was held on the left on two places (hand and forearm), protecting the guy on the left side. "Dory" (the spear) and "xiphos" (the short sword) was used by the right hand. (~12'25")
Can you do a Trajan series? I really appreciate your content and i think this is a great way to learn about this general-emperor
Very interesting lesser known events of Ancient Europe! The alliance between the Iberians and Carthage is a very significant event for my country's own History, Portugal, as it would eventually result on the coming of Romans to the Iberian Peninsula at the very beginning of the Second Punic War, which led the foundations to their conquest of the peninsula.
You make history relatable and do not take any sides but are basically retellers and objective observers. Love it. Make new nomad series.
Amazing! As always :)
can't picture a Sunday without a Kings and Generals video
this is amazing, thanks for this video
this was happening at the same time that Leonidas and the other Greeks had been fighting to save Greece from the Persians!!!
Also good to know for interested people, after Gelon died, his brother Hieron took over power in Syracuse. He made Syracuse a centre for art and artists like Aeschylus and Pindarus came to Syracuse to perform in the most beatiful theatres.
Can you do a whole documentary on Carthage?
Amazing video 😍 I am a Greek history-nerd and I had no idea of this instance. Great job very informative!
What kind of puts me in awe was how old Carthage was before even the Punic Wars. Carthage was battling for control of the Mediterranean even before Alexander the Great was born, a figure that to the Romans was a near mythological figure. To Carthage, Rome must have seemed like a relatively young, upstart nation. And yet history turns.
I found it most interesting keep covering the wars between The Greek States and Carthage.
The hoplon shielded the man to his right? Only from the view of someone looking at him, from the hoplite's view he is shielding the man to his left.
Please do continue this series. Great video!
I just love the time period before rome, seems so classical
i am subscribed to many channels about history and hold many in high regard
but take a moment to consider what a treasure Kings and Generals is....
Thanks!
Why does the audio sound robotic around ~8 minutes?
I’m from Syracuse in Sicily but I currently live I the USA. Love going back home and going to Ancient Greek theater. I recommend that everyone comes and checks our Sicily 😊😊
Carthage: We have the greatest Mediterranean empire ever.
Rome: ELBOW DROP!
@The Infidel I guess an empire built for expansion will stagnate when it stops.
6:10
I’m getting Darth Vader vibes by your voice Devin. Hahah.
Great video guys! Just another awesome piece of history to learn about! Thanks 🙏
Vikings : we are the greatest explorers
Greeks : kings and generals is this true
Well the Vikings made it all the way to Canada so there is that. Greeks didn't really leave the Mediterranean until Alexander the Great's time. That was conquest rather than exploration.
Other contenders for the title of greatest explorers would be the Egyptians who sent traders to India and possibly as far away as mezo America. The case of the "cocaine mummies" points to a trade link between Mezoamerica and Egypt. It is not a coincidence the natives started building pyramids around this time as well.
Novusod The pyramids you said Mesoamericans built are actually called Ziggurats which resembled Carthaginian and Mesopotamian architecture more than Egyptian
@@Novusod Well pyramids just happen to be a very effective way of building at the time, its the kind of invention that's so practical that it wouldn't be a stretch to say that any civilization could figure out that it was a very efficient way of structuring a building independently
@@Novusod It is.
@@jacobsarvathayaparan2337 Before the invention of steel beams and concrete which we use to build skyscrapers, the only technology any civilization had at the time to build something very big and high was to have the base of the structure have more mass than its higher levels.
Amazing video!!! I love to learn more about history even further ago the punic wars
The boys of the 480 B.C are heroes and we should always commemorate their sacrifice for saving the Western world.
@Lord Voldemort it's not me saying it but historians such as Barry Strauss writer of " The Battle of Salamis: The Naval Encounter That Saved Greece -- and Western Civilization".
@Lord Voldemort Salamis and Himera both. I do not think the World would have collapsed if the Carthage or Persia won but the world ,as we know it, would have been completely different.
Thank you for throwing light on an often overlooked Side of history when widely popularized events tend to steal the limelight.
13:58 There's always a storm...
Genetic studies showed that mercenaries from as far as the Urals took part in this battle. Truly fascinating
I would love to hear more about the Greco-Punic conflict!
this was super informative I can’t wait for the next one!
Nobody:
Cato: *CARTHAGO DELENDA EST*
It's sad that muslims conquered Roman Carthage because they almost destroyed anything that was pre-islamic. Meanwhile if Carthage stayed christian it achievements would stayed forever.
@@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 By Carthage I assume you mean ROMAN Carthage and not PHOENICIAN Carthage
@@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 If Carthage HAD stayed Christian* Muslims*
Jeez now I'm thinking that was cato's first words when he was a baby.
Cato's mom: Okay Cato say "Mama"
Cato: M...
Cato's mom: good.
Cato: Ma...
Cato's mom: Almost there...
Cato: Ma... Mam.... *CARTHAGO DELENDA EST*
*"Not now Cato!"*
- Inspector Clouseau -
Man, I never even heard of this war. Great job on the video, it was very interesting
Honestly it’s crazy to think Rome came out on top in the Mediterranean with so many strong nations surrounding them
yes that happened coz of the greeks had thousands of wars with empires while romans just was jerking around and waiting the fall of the powers at the era.after greece became weak then they took action.
History, narrator, map, TW Rome II, story thrill
Good stuff
It always amazes me how many troops are lost just by fleets sinking
Been waiting for something about Carthage!
Carthagians are *OP* !
Rome: *allow me to introduce myself*
I mean it took them 3 wars to finally destroy Carthage.
@@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 3 is the Lucky charm number for Rome
@@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 In the first they destroyed the Carthaginian navy, in the second(with huge setbacks) the army and the third was the killing blow.
@@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 Well, not really. The first war was only about Sicily, no further plan was prepared. The second one was the real war. At time of the third one Carthago was a mere shadow of the old Empire and the Romans just got an excuse to eradicate the city
VanBrokkost they still needed 3 years to finally win the siege of carthage.(149-146. B.C.)
Just looks like a big, long-term back and forth for.king of the hill. The hill being the whole of Sicilly atop the region of the Mediterranean. Controlling the centre means controlling the whole of the sea. The perfect fortress island from which you can maintain dominance over the entire passage of E-W sea trade
Can you do a Video on the Safavid-Ottoman Wars?
I’m sure they have done a video on it
Please do more on this topic!
Interesting Video! However the audio sounds a bit different compared to previous ones...a bit as if you are distant from the mic or in the bathroom (don't know how to explain it properly). Just the audio is a bit different.
Glad this came up. Very good and interesting indeed! Look forward to more on this series if possible
How did you get the license to use Imperator: rome music? They have so good music.
These videos are really interesting. I am quite familiar with the Greco-Persian wars of this period, however had never heard of this conflict from the same time.
Thank you!
@@KingsandGenerals the battle of Himera happened in the same year with the seafight of Salamis, in 480 BC.. the one was the important that kept safe the most part of the greek world of the motherland and the other the west magna hellas of south italy. at least for a period of time.
almost 200 years later, Alexander the great sent the spoils of Granicus battle to both Athens and Syracouses, as an honour gift, for the battles of that past that saved hellenism to the west and east.
The map of Phoenician world is highly inaccurate...as it leaves out some of the most influential and important cities of this culture such as Ugarit (modern day Latakia), where the Phoenician alphabet came to exist... basically it stretched to include almost the entire eastern coast of the Mediterranean.
It is said that Gelo's father once consulted an oracle to know about the fate of his children, the oracle said that three of them were destined to become tyrants and indeed Gelo, Hiero and a younger brother called Thrasybulus became tyrants of Gela, Syracuse and other cities, still Gelo's accomplishment were considered so important that Timoleon spared his statue when he was destroying all traces of past tyrants in Syracuse.
I need this background music in my life, what's song's name?
Excellent video!
Thanks a lot K.&G., and do keep telling us more about this fascinating period, which I find very enlightening.
Love the Crusader Kings 2 music :D
Always makes me want to start it up again.
Could you say its name? Thanks :)
@@hennessey132 whose name?
@@HooKulin the name of the CK2 music :D
@@hennessey132 "Our Kingdom will fall"
Fantastic Summary! Looking forward to learning more asap!
Rome 200 years later.......... I’m about to end this mans whole career.
Thanks for the new video!
Greek: Sicily is ours!
Carthage: No, Sicily is ours!
Rome:...What's this I heard about Sicily?
Its 480 BC, buddy. Rome by then was insignificant backwater barely reached by civilization.
Native Sicilian: erm...
Finally a video about the sicilian wars. Please cover more about other sicilian wars.
Proud of my Sicilian Heritage 🇮🇲
Damn bro you probably have punic, hellenic and italic blood in you. That's interesting.
Illyrian Don’t forget Norman
Ben Page And Arabic/Berber
digital communist Yeah I know I have a big sausage LOL
Illyrian no he doesn’t. Modern Scillians are just arabs