Justice Thomas' real estate deal with GOP megadonor Harlan Crow sparks new ethic concerns
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- Опубликовано: 13 апр 2023
- "The other key point - and I truly, truly cannot emphasize this enough - is that Clarence Thomas' whole job is to use his judgment to make judgment calls while judging. He sits on the highest court in the land where he judges others and he makes rulings on the best thing to do is when the text or the law is ambiguous, unclear, or even absent," says Chris Hayes.
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“Arrogance of power”. Exactly. Yes to term limits!
Milk is generally fresh for
10 days..👈🤔
@@ketanjibrownsfavemolester7592 Your type of milk is the one you swallowed and choke..😂
Clarence time is up.
@@ketanjibrownsfavemolester7592 You got milk on your lips.
@@ow3wells Meh. There will be an investigation that will take years, and then a lengthy process that will take years and then he'll die of a heart attack before anything happens.
And by then the country is likely a dictatorship under De Santis anyway.
Everyone should have seen this coming when Anita Hill was testifying.
Anita Hill lied just like Christine Ford.
@@timothypeters3429 Sanity? You people deny biological science and you groom children.
You're not sane, you're sick.
I bet she is just shaking her head. They were so disrespectful to her during her whole testimony. I watched it all in shock and sadness.
So many well said comments he must be impeached
Let me get this correct crow bought his mother’s house?
If only someone had warned us about Clarence Thomas during his confirmation hearings.
Well said. Anita Hill should’ve had a medal for exposing this POS
😂
what about those justices who lied during their confirmation hearings? They should go
Yep, if only......
I'm a Kiwi. I'm guessing something went down at the confirmation hearing. Can you explain? 🤔
So much respect for ProPublica - they do old-school investigative journalism - checking the documents and looking at the receipts. This is why we need serious journalists.
I’m so tired of all this corruption and nothing is being done, with Thomas and wife.
You guys didn't mention the fact that Thomas sided with Crow on eight cases that Crow brought directly to Thomas.
Do you have the names? I'd love to use them against certain commentors
I haven't heard this before . Do you know what the case #'s are ? I'd love to look them up. Good digging , thanks for being on the ball.
I don't think they came directly from Crow.
A person can't "bring a case directly to Thomas." That's not how the Supreme Court works.
Citizen United was partially funded by Crow. He is also a big donor for Americans for Prosperity and several other organizations with business before the court.
Curious to know why Harlan Crow had to repair Mrs. Thomas' home and her Supreme Court justice son couldn't have funded it years ago?
Because MSNBC and the Democrats are lying.
That's why it doesn't make sense.
Man of poor judgment making sometimes life-changing decisions for others, nice.
And often life ending decisions since Thomas never saw a death penalty case he didn’t like
You can see right through the whole story, they knew what they were doing is and was wrong
No, the media is lying as usual. You're being played.
Honestly, that's probably the best scenario.
Because I don't think I want to live in a world where a Supreme Court Justice can't understand what appears to be a pretty clear law that has been on the books for his entire tenure.
buying and selling real estate... really?
@@LEOHACKMAN247 He didn't break any law, you're being manipulated by the media and the government.
The old saying: "It's the cover-up that gets you" is because trying to hide whatever shows consciousness of guilt. Of course, that raises the question about so many Trump witnesses who are going to the last ditch to cover-up when it comes to testifying.
Maybe Crow docks his yacht at Walmart so Thomas isn’t uncomfortable.
🎯🎯🎯🎯💯
Clarence loves to live the simple life!
"This isn't a yacht club, it's an RV park," Clarence Thomas, probably.
😂🤭👍
Rewatching Thomas say that crap made me throw up a little in my mouth.
Chief Justice John Roberts owes America a response to this.
I'm sorry. Ginni, his wife, is also one of the biggest ethic concerns of Justice Thomas.
As time marches on, more and more incriminating information appears to show how utterly corrupt he is. Clearly, he has no integrity, otherwise he would have stepped down when news of his wife’s ties with the insurrection were revealed
Yeah, your tough luck..👈🤔..
Got abortion pills ???
The SCOTUS has a huge stain that needs to be addressed. This is unexceptable, homes, lavish trips this sounds deceiving and illegal maybe criminal? We demand answers!! 🇺🇸
Come on man
They have no oversight or ethics rules. While every other federal and state courts do.
When he was poor he was a Marxist, and as soon as he god a well paid job he became conservative, and once he was one of the most powerful men in the country, racism didn't even exist anymore.
He never had any integrity.
Is it true that ginny and Thomas are known as tweedle dee and twiddle dumb, in political circles by both sides ?
I think it's mean when people make fun of Clarence Thomas' stupid wife.
Dumb as a Fox…pure evil
@@jaxonfreeman1756 Exactly! It's so rude to make fun of Ginny and Clarence Thomas for being stupid.
I was rather hoping to see Thomas as Humpty Dumpty asap. All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty together again
only a child would wonder
There weren't always two vacant lots; a house initially sat next door to his mother's house, the neighbors were too loud and rowdy, so Crow bought that house, removing them at the same time, just to turn around and make it an empty lot, solely so CT's mother could have more peace and quiet.
No, you’ve got the two issues confused. There were 2 vacant lots that the Thomas family owned that were part of the sale. (He since sold them on to other developers). In addition to that, Crow ALSO bought the noisy neighbors’ house and tore it down, presumably for the benefit of Thomas’s mother.
First thing, STOP calling them "gifts" a Gift has no strings attached and no one would hide a gift, what Thomas received were BRIBES or PAYOFFS, not gifts!!
@George Moore~EXACTLY 💯% TRUE CORRECT UNBELIEVABLE DESPICABLE UNACCEPTABLE 🎯😱😡😭👎💰💰💰👀🗽🇺🇸⚖️
What you failed to mention is the leverage Crowe has over Thomas. "Don't rule against my interests or I will evict your mother."
Jane Starr - My first thoughts exactly. He just has to give the word and Thomas' mother is instantly homeless...
This. 😮
I find it difficult to believe that someone who has been a Supreme Court Justice for 31 years and his attorney wife are unable to afford or provide basic upkeep when needed for his mother's small house without billionaire money. js
Looked it up: the salary is a quarter million annually.
@@nanszoo3092 Thomas still corruptly accepted a gift. Greedy corrupt officials take bribes they don’t necessarily need, but just desire.
@@nanszoo3092 Ginnie owns him too.
I need to shake my head to realize this isn’t a movie or a dream. Thanks for educating us that a Supreme Court justice has indeed been forced to resign in our history.
That does set a precedent to be used in future cases.
It's basically a movie because the media is lying about everything. It's Fictional. You're being played.
@Needmy Wokebear Ha! You have lots to learn.
thats really bad acting
@Needmy Wokebear With Thomas not only being a narcissist, an elitist and corrupt,
but also our current House Of Representatives (who would have to write the Articles Of Impeachment) being a majority of MAGAtts,
it is very unlikely that Thomas will step down and very unlikely a motion to impeach will go anywhere in the Legislature.
Hi i follow your stories every day and I am astounded that Americans can call themselves a democracy with things like this going on
So sad to hear that 😢
Clarence makes a legit $285,000 salary on the Supreme Court and yet he had his mother living in a house that needed tens of thousands of dollars in repairs. That tells you a lot about his character.
How can this have been going on for TWENTY YEARS and the American public is just learning about it now?
we did apparently in that 2004 article and it was a blip in the news but now we have the internet! so easy to keep stories going and in the public eye
There was a long time before Trump where most people just didn’t pay attention, or really care about politics.
Because MSNBC and the Democrats are lying.
The biggest cable news channel was deliberately looking tbe other way and even now are not reporting in it, like it's never even happened. Fox is a curse on the US
Well maybe this was the reason the DEMS tried to block his appointment! OH Right..
The silence from the Republicans is deafening
theyre busy crying about budlight
@@rudyardganuelas6254 it's more like this makes them look bad, so they're not going to talk about it.
They'll act like nothing is happening while they wait for the next story to break, so as to drown this one.
@@rudyardganuelas6254 they're busy tackling the important issues, banning books, oppressing women and criminalizing drag shows.😔
and lying, of course
The silence from the rest of the Supreme Court Justices is all deafening , it calls into question their own integrity , what they have done and what secrets they have .
This would be considered a bribe by any corporation and the person would be fired. You know there is a problem when corporations have a higher moral standard than the judiciary...
He has always been just the butler of the bench. He's too thick to handle anything but the most simple cases that even a 2nd year law student could handle.
Where are all the "Drain the Swamp" Republicans when you need them.
They never existed as they are the swam
Either Thomas goes or this court needs three more Justices.
😢❄️
Both. We need Biden to nominate 4 more justices.
@@danialhillmann5374 That's rich coming from the side that took to the fainting couch because one of Trump's judges is a Democrat. Go brush your tooth.
Don't change a thing.
@@kmnewyork7167 To increase the number of justices, Congress would have to pass legislation. The Republican House would never put that legislation up for a vote and even if they did it would take 60 votes in the senate to get it to Biden’s desk for him to sign into law.
Thomas' mother is 94! Heck I thought the corrupt judge himself was about that age.
My mother passed after over a year of cancer, and didn't even have access to a handicap accessible bathroom. I would never be able to take care of my parents the way this bribe enabler has taken care of his family. Looks from here that I should have been a seedy individual to be a success, so my mother wouldn't suffer. This sends a very twisted mags to our youth if we do nothing to hold them accountable.
So Clarence Thomas who sits on the highest court in the land has to ask other people about the law!
LOL! So right you are. A Supreme Court Judge does not know and had to ask other people if it's alright to accept humongous gifts and perks from a corrupt Billionaire.
He’s bullshitting.
My brother in law said it would be cool
I think we should take a deep look at all the justices. It is pretty clear the chief justice is going to do nothing about it probably because pulling that curtain back would reveal lots of "gifts" to other justices as well.
Who is reviewing his financial disclosures?! Someone should have noticed that rental properties disappeared!!!!
The Chief Justice is really ceremonial and more "leadership," but he or she has no authority over the other Justices. So there is nothing he can do.
The Robert's Court is a disgraced Court
Like Clarence and ginni couldn't buy his mother's house themselves. Grifters gonna grift.
THANK YOU, PROPUBLICA, for your excellent investigative reporting. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Thomas is the only Black guy out of all Crow's Far Recht-Wing friends, and Thomas is so Confused, he thinks his friendship with Crow which started after he got on the Supreme Court was because Crow really likes him. Or, if this is not the case y'all, then Thomas has been selling "Decisions/Rulings" to the Far-Recht for over 20 years now.
Bottom line....Thomas simply doesn't take his job seriously. And here you go......
He knows he's being used, but he's ok as long as he's rich and taken care of. . All the poor people left behind Don't mean sh to him.
If Thomas is off the court Crow will stop taking his calls and evict his mother. It's as clear as day in a desert that the "friendship" is just to have a man on the court and all the lavish vacations and everything else is to gain influence over him.
Thomas is deadly serious. He said, shortly after his appointment to SCOTUS, liberals made his life miserable for 43 years and now he was going to make them miserable. He’s a bitter, cruel, corrupt man. We’re focused on his entanglement with Crow but this is hardly the first failure to disclose scandal in his tenure. He doesn’t participate in the public work of the Court and writes very few opinions but he’s a reliable vote for the far right who never recuses himself, no matter how blatant the conflict of interest.
What a dope.
Propublica really dug in deep and got the facts and kept the receipts.
I bet they still have more info on this relationship to disclose.
Clarence was too cheap and crooked to fix up his own mothers house or buy her a better one. This was purely for the cash. Museum? Can you imagine the exhibition? Pubes on a coke can and that’s it.
How is the google profiting from one-liner sock puppets making comments? Plus more offensive ads!
Maybe depoliticizing America's legal system would help?
So: "A nonpartisan Justice may compel two recusals by junior partisan Justices."
How about that idea?
To journalists and to Clarence's fellow swamp dwellers, Clarence is like a gift that keeps on giving.
Amazing how there is total silence for SCOTUS. Roberts is tongue-tied.
A $19,000 book - a gift - you'd be fired in any corporation for accepting that kind of gift - total violation of any ethics rule. Can you believe we have people who don't get that deciding the future of millions of Americans?
You spelled spineless wrong. 😅
because nothing illegal happened
@@iamdone7094 Sheep
Nah, Robert's is using his right to remain silent.
You think Thomas is the ONLY one with a billionaire bestie?
They're buds. Clarence invites Crow to his RV at Walmart all the time
😂😂😂
The right would lose their mind of Soros gave Sotomayor a cupcake.
Y'all better watch you say about this Harlan Crow dude he's got a token supreme court justice in his pocket he could railroad anyone shading him
He must be removed from the court.
Not possible
@@MrDucksBill It is and he will be. Sorry
Biden can elect another judge even after people have voted. Republicans did.
@@MrDucksBill It Sure is.
@@djaishwgak8017 impeached for selling a historical landmark?
No, Harlan, you tore down the houses on either side because Gramma Thomas complained to Clarence that they were noisy.
When he stopped declaring the rental income why was that not a red flag?? They should have inquired about it!!
Because he hid it. The next two years he listed them as “no longer producing income” which usually means that you have no renter. Not that you sold it!
Appears Thomas got advice on "Non - Dislosure of Gifts" from the Federalist Society, which is Leo and Crow, the origins of the gifts.
And I am sure the payola is to keep Thomas ruling the way the Federalist Society wants.
@dsddala467
EXACTLY. Take dark money once and you're on their hook forever. This is the Putin / Kompromat playback.
"more shoes to drop" You gotta know there are... Every thread in the gop's tattered suit pulls on some corruption...
which # 'we got him now' is this?
@@iamdone7094 I know right... These creeps would have zero traction if not for the maga crowd... The crowd, built brick by brick by the Koch Empire disinformation warfare machinery it built in the 70's....
A judge with no judgement. Figures.
So now we can ask on each Clarence Thomas vote "Who paid for it?"
Just watch interviews with Clarence. He really comes off as having serious issues.
What a conflict of interest. I would call it treasonous 😊
Because you don't know what treason is.
@@GoAway-lj7dj, Go away!
@@janicenelson7639He's not wrong. Treason has a very specific meaning.
It’s not treason, but he did break the law, and at the very least it’s extremely unethical.
Also, what is “really really key” is that THIS is what Crow does for a living, he gives gifts for promises. One can note how cheap it is for Crow, a billionaire, to buy a SCOTUS.
It’s like giving a couple of cheeseburgers for ALL of our ideologies.
"Gives gifts for promises." Do you think Thomas would be siding with liberals if he hadn't received these gifts?
@@reason6835
doesn't matter
@ghostlogan: It DOES matter. It's not illegal to accept gifts from people unless they're doing it in exchange for ruling a specific way.
@@reason6835 so with that rationale as long as Mega Donors ideology lines up with a SCOTUS judge then giving them gifts is perfectly ok since they think alike. That makes no sense at all. Its wrong. They know its wrong that's why they are scrambling putting out thos bs responses.
*Hamburders!
I wonder what "dear friends" Thomas and Crow would be, if Thomas resigned.
Exactly! Just wrote a comment about it, Crow and his kkk friends will be burning crosses before Thomas house.
Yeah, but back in the good ol' days, there was something such as integrity and shame.
Thomas's seriously flawed character traits exposed during the Anita Hill trail should have been a premonition to all those that supported him not to elect him to the highest court in the nation!
She lied
@@jamesswain2465 She wasn't the only woman Thomas abused, just the only one called to testify. The others were waiting to be called, yet never were. Why?
Got proof Deborah?
Precursor .
@@jamesswain2465is a dangerously misinformed MAGA hat Putin Bot-Butt Troll ⚠️ 📢
Clarence Thomas is owned by Harlan Crow 😳
And BONESPURS
He bought him Frederick Douglass's bible. 20 thousand. And the irony of crow buying Thomas with Douglass's bible was not lost on Crow. Sick.
Like he'd be ruling in favor of liberals otherwise?
It makes sense. Uncle Thomas need to be owned by someone.
@@reason6835 So if I go give a bribe to a judge to rule in my favor, but the Judge was going to rule in my favor anyway, it no longer counts as a bribe? Sure.
Such excellent reporting by pro publico
They shouldn't be just concerned - they should be arresting Justice Thomas. He, of all people, is not above the law
Keep digging. There will be more.
Keep trying, 👈🤔 you can't touch him..
@@ketanjibrownsfavemolester7592 Ethics and legality are two very different things. Sure, no one can touch him for ethics, but if he broke the law, that's an entirely different beast and he will be charged.
We MUST do something about this. He needs to resign! This cannot be allowed to "GO AWAY". We have to deal with this CORRUPTION!
This guy makes decisions that affect millions
He has to be held accountable for graft and corruption, Indict and Charge!
I will never ever understand how people still don’t understand that everyone gets a turn. Why do people still don’t get that what ever is in the dark will eventually come into the light no matter how long it happens.
It's amazing that big mouth Ginni Thomas hasn't weighed in yet.
Why did it take 20 years to “break” the story???
Because he hid these facts from the public after a gift was called out in 2004.
He paints himself as such a humble, frugal guy
It isn't like hospitality at a simple bed and breakfast or RV public spot at Wallmart. A judge with poor judgement. Both him and Ginni have done more damage to the American people than any judge in history.
Thomas is the reason SCOTUS requires term limits.
Clarence ain't worried, he's got his ace in the hole, it worked beautifully at his confirmation hearing.
Im curious if anything will happen to him legally. Like we sit in the face of blatant corruption and i wonder what the excuses will be.
These 'gifts'are obvious bribes and the sad thing is there will be nothing done because Thomas thinks he's untouchable
And morally bankrupt.
Why bribe a conservative Judge to rule in favor off conservatives?
Oh yes, he won’t be left to continue his gross corruption against our American Citizens, he’s become too visible.
@@reason6835 - Sometimes "the law" says that conservative activists are wrong, and when those conservative activists are regularly making 500 thousand dollar gifts to more than one of the judges, suddenly "the law" isn't so important. They'll find a reason to rule in favor of their "friends."
@@reason6835 Because it is not only to rule in favor off conservatives, but to rule in favor of Crows business interests over others. Crow has had multiple cases before scotus, were he has had financial interests in them and every time Thomas ruled in favor of him. If I were republican, I would be asking the question, when did Clarence Thomas rule against my financial interests because they opposed Crows interests? So it isn't even about conservatives and leftist, but Crows buddies and others.
And the court wanders why their rating is so low! There appears to be nothing supreme about this court when it can’t be held accountable ?
This is so obvious it’s painful. Of course Thomas would be beholding to Crow. How could you trust his ruling.
I wonder if thomas realizes or even cares that his own greed made himself crow's slave for life.
They guy thinks white and black people shouldn’t get married. That show ridiculous the man is.
He’s a total narcissist, imagines he’s simply too cool to be around.
yup tote that bale Clarence
Only leftist think like that.
What's done in darkness, shall come to light ..
As a conservative I sure hope so. Alvin Bragg etc.
@@jamesswain2465is a dangerously misinformed, incoherent MAGA hat Putin Bot-Butt Troll ⚠️ 📢
Yes, but there is a Massive difference in that Fortus did not break a law he just had an association. There is a very distinct difference in this case as CT has had a much more conjoined relationship with Crow 20 times greater than Fortus. The law states any sale by any justice over $1000.00 for any real estate nor personally yours "must" be reported.
Yes, but they need to answer the question: By whom? Who is the enforcer?
You forgot to mention Crow bought the house next door, lived in by a rowdy family, then had it demolished. The lot is still empty.
What are the odds Roberts knows all about all of this, and is either OK with it, or terrified to risk the no respect he is paid to actually carry out his duties.
Remove this greedy grifting criminal: RICO
This is a fantastic investigative piece on criminal Justice Thomas. Thank you for calling it out so masterfully!
Omg. How much is it going to take before we stop putting up with this madness?
At this level of governmental power, the general rule is that if it doesn't look right, it isn't right.
Is Clarence's Mom even paying rent on this home that Crow bought off Clarence? That would be icing on the cake.
No, she lives there rent free, even after all the improvements Crow made.
Of course she isent. This is corruption at the highest level. With the worst effort of trying to cover this all up.
He probably committed tax fraud as well since he didn't pay taxes on monetary equivilent gifts. If you win $10 in the lottery, that's income. If you win or gifted a vacation in a
game show, you pay the taxes.
Did Thomas report the income sale of property in his taxes? Did he reports the upgrades as income/benefits gifts? Let the IRS meddle in his taxes since he should be an example of law not a breaker. Does he know the words integrity, honor, or scrouples???
No info yet that I've heard on that aspect whether she is or isn't.
Point: Sodemajor not only didn't receive gifts from Mr Soros, she also then didn't overturn Roe v Wade
Point: Sodemajor (sp) not only didn’t overturn Roe v Wade, that was a headshot of Elena Kagan!
All 9 of those Justices are complicit. They go to work each day 100% aware of the crimes their co workers are committing and they never say a word. Impeach them all!
If you have a son in high school who is having girl problems, just tell him that it is ok. Matt Gaetz didn’t have his first high school girlfriend until he was 35
🤣😂
Gaertz’s is quite the traveler with his preadolescent girlfriend.
LOL…
you are old
Ah, interesting, the moral values of the GOP are being echoed in Clarence
and Santos..
Clarence is so embarrassing and disgraceful to the Judiciary! Impeach him ASAP!
He bought the houses around his mothers house and tore them down to create an oasis for her. 😂 Clarence is F’d.
Who overpays for your house and then lets you live in it.
Mitch McConnell has broken America….it’s just so disgusting 🤮
The Abe Fortis case seems adorably quaint and small compared to Thomas
Clarence Thomas: “I like RV parks and prefer WalMart parking lots.” That’s fortuitous as we hope your dreams come true.
He's caught. We have to stand for something, or fall for anything
He deserves prison time and Crow needs his assets and wealth sanctioned for bribing.
It's to be expected and investigated that every Supreme Court justice has a big donor in their hip pocket and that Crow is likely NOT Thomas's only influential 'friend'.
The other Judges in the Supreme Court should also be investigated. As they say, birds of the same feather . . .
CORRUPT as Corrupt can be
Clar and Ginni. Lock Them Up!
Justice Thomas lack of ethics were obvious during his confirmation. He's now proven to be conniving and corrupt as well, by trading cases for gifts in lieu of cash.
As if he wouldn't be siding with the other conservative Justices anyway?
@@reason6835that is no excuse
@ghostlogan: Well, people are acting like he was taking bribes to rule the way he does so....
@@reason6835 The others could be bought as well. Do some background investigation. Where are the investigative journalist? Mr. Farrow!! Carl Bernstein, Woodward!
@kmnewyork: You don't need to bribe a conservative to rule conservatively.
Thanks for the clear explanation of what actually transpired!
His job is judgment 😅 good one.
Impeach and incarcerate.
You mean crucify him
When you have a lifetime appointment and cannot be removed unless you actually murder somebody, the accountability factor doesn't exist.
The founding fathers should've thought about that before writing this lifetime job into the Constitution.
Thomas might as well just come right out and say, "You can't remove me, so just go away!"
His silence pretty much says that. Nothing more will come of this, Thomas knows it..
in the time the constitution was made people lived until their 60s, makes sense that lifetime kinda meant no more than 20 years, though imo supreme court has always been a broken system that pretty much creates people that just interpret the constitution the way they want, its almost like high priests interpreting a very old doc (bible)
@@arnoldstrong3548
Very good assessment of the situation. I liken it to marriage. Marriage was created thousands of years ago when people may have lived to 40. No big deal. Today, you may expect to be married 60-some years. No wonder they don't last.
This PERSON HAS BEEN CORRUPT FOR MANY YEARS. ABOUT TIME FOR REMOVAL