Just happened to come across the first derailment almost as soon as it happened. I watched the clean up off and on the whole next day - a great education! So it was fun seeing a close-up of the derailed cars. Thanks!
Nice to see them, albeit slowly, adhering to their environmental responsibilities and clearing the site of the derailed vehicles and associated paraphernalia. Good job.
A super job flying the drone to see up close what those rail cars look like after the derailment . I was lucky to be on the site when both derailments took place last year. MOW has made temp crossings to get across track2 and 3. Could be getting ready for the rest of the clean up. Thank You for your help and keep em flying!!
When I was young and playing with my Lionel set, if I had the long auto rack near the engine it would derail all the time in the curve. Matchbox cars were simply not enough weight. I see your comment in the video where these long cars may have lead to this.
Good analogy! When I was young I could never get my HO scale autoracks to stay on the tracks REGARDLESS of where they were in the train! 😂 They were just too long to go around our tight curves.
When there was a delay I thought there would be a dispute with the various parties, NS, owner/s of the cars, the insurance companies, and everyone wanted evidence preserved. Now, with 2-3 months behind us, I can't see any reason for their not being taken away.
Owners of the cars have a say in what is to be done also. NS can pay the owners for the cars after they agree, then torch the cars ( preferably in winter snow ) and remove the pieces easier. Quite obvious that domo and mike have no idea of these things to do first.
Scott the trucks often separate from the car when it tips over. A lot of weight there! I've seen wrecks where this happened from excessive car rocking due to uneven track, or in some cases even low-speed harmonics on certain cars.
The trucks are not attached to the cars. The cars sit on the trucks with a pin in the holes. The trucks on locomotives, passenger cars, and a very few special freight cars have bolts or retaining pins to keep the trucks attached.
As busy as these three mains are, doubt they will re-rail the cars. Cutting them up instead does not shut that track down. Wheels come off on their own because nothing holds them together other that the cars weight itself. Laying there for years has no affect on anything if the railroad so desires. If you are bothered by the sight, don't look the next time you travel through there. All is very simple.
That was great. All the cars have been stripped of the wheels. So are they left to rust and rot? Will they bring in a heavy duty crane to move them onto a flatcar and haul them away? Only time will tell.
I found the horse shoe curve one day by accident and the girl told me that the derailment happened the night before and I got to see the clean up the next day
@@DavidLauback no you're good no apologies needed! Yeah hopper car is pretty much it. If you *REALLY* want to go into detail then it's a plastics covered hopper car.
Yes being from Altoona actually Juniata and having moved to near the curve in the 1970's this leaving cars derailed around the curve would have been unheard of with the old time railroadeders and administration! First off it's not safe for other trains to maneuver around the curve and it's just unsightly. But knowing a engineer who is family and who engineers up n down the curve daily. NS is now not doing anyhing that remotely comes close to safety!! They the engineers and conductors are very concerned for their own safety n the public's!
No , that trackage has a very high amount of train traffic and the tracks are a no trespassing area that is monitored by Norfolk Southern police and if caught on the railroad you will get into serious trouble.
Because Norfolk Southern owns the land so they can take as much time as they want with removing derailed equipment. Anyways it's not that easy to remove derailments from the curve because the horse shoe curve has a high amount of rail traffic which makes it hard for NS to do anything , in order for them to do any work they have to plan ahead months in advance to let the rail agencies know when , where and how long they'll be working. The curve is the hardest places to work at because they not only have non-stop rail traffic but they also work on a narrow ledge above a medium sized and one mishap would send an oncoming train down over the hill into the Reservoir.
Well I'm still wondering if somebodies head rolled on this one? Probably not, they will likely go on to blame the conductor and engineer, but apparently someone finally got it thru there head that there are certain ways of building trains up and definite ways that you do not! Here lye's the evidence of the way not to twice! This is the cost of big railroading. Shove it out of the way and get the tracks back open. I don't know how far something like this set NS back. I'm guessing months, maybe longer. And this chunk of railroad happens to be so busy and so valuable that who knows when there will ever be time available to shut down a set of rails to bring in the equipment to re-rail those cars. I think they are going to lay there quite a while. They may actually cut them up into small pieces to be loaded out which may or may not be quicker to load out.
Unfortunately that's easier said than done because Norfolk Southern would have to find a way to get them back to the yard which is quite a distance from there and if they are damaged in any way they can't be put back on the tracks into a consist because of the risk of another derailment so the only choice would be to cut them up and scrap them.
PRETTY SURE THAT A "PUSHER" IS ALWAYS NEEDED ON ROUTES WITH THIS CHAIN OF CURVE. WITH THE WEIGHT AND THE PRINCIPLE OF THE "STRAIGHT LINE" THE LAW OF PHYSICS IS SURELY GONNA KICK IN.
These car are at their final resting place. NS or whoever is responsible for this mess will cite that there is no money, time, equipment or manpower for a cleanup. It's RR property so they can do what they want and leave the mess as is. Environmental eyesore for sure.
Gee bob dont ya think that 3 empty centerbeams up front of 100 car manifest might be a bad idea? Naw I'm fresh out of yard schooling my snowflake ass aced my paper test on weights. Besides the big number on the ldlmt says its heavy.
Just happened to come across the first derailment almost as soon as it happened. I watched the clean up off and on the whole next day - a great education! So it was fun seeing a close-up of the derailed cars. Thanks!
Now I know how to weather my center beams from underneath.👍😁 Thanks great video.
Nice to see them, albeit slowly, adhering to their environmental responsibilities and clearing the site of the derailed vehicles and associated paraphernalia. Good job.
A super job flying the drone to see up close what those rail cars look like after the derailment . I was lucky to be on the site when both derailments took place last year. MOW has made temp crossings to get across track2 and 3. Could be getting ready for the rest of the clean up. Thank You for your help and keep em flying!!
It's a tough, expensive way to see the detail of the underside. Detail is better than run-of-the -shop. Thanks.
Good video. Thanks for adding two links from VR channel.
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Great footage. Wreckage is now cleared away, some video on virtual railfan channel for those that are interested.
Really good footage. I watched the second as it happened at the rail fan stream on you tube. Love that you got a train going by.
I wonder if NS has or will build a paved road up to that part of the Curve to facilitate future cleanup operations.
Nice video. Love the drone footage.
Nice details for your train layout if you are into derailments
That was a very nice, clear video. Thanks.
Great video and I’m curious what’s inside the box car .
Finally! The derailed rolling stock is being cleaned up!
I kept seeing springs and spikes laying about and could not help but think what nice knives they would make. lol.
When I was young and playing with my Lionel set, if I had the long auto rack near the engine it would derail all the time in the curve. Matchbox cars were simply not enough weight. I see your comment in the video where these long cars may have lead to this.
Good analogy! When I was young I could never get my HO scale autoracks to stay on the tracks REGARDLESS of where they were in the train! 😂 They were just too long to go around our tight curves.
I’m old and still have the same problem!
Great video-very informative! Ty. 😊
Very well done!
Was there a logging plant with tracks there before? I saw clues in photos and extremely old videoes
Thank you. I wondered what was left.
I saw them in August when I was there. Wonder when they plan to get them removed.
When there was a delay I thought there would be a dispute with the various parties, NS, owner/s of the cars, the insurance companies, and everyone wanted evidence preserved. Now, with 2-3 months behind us, I can't see any reason for their not being taken away.
Sometimes railroads wait for the value of scrap / salvage to increase. Otherwise, it is cheaper to leave it where it is.
thanks for sharing
What drone and camera equipment are you using? Very good quality video. Great job!
Thanks! I'm using a DJI Mavic Pro drone.
Owners of the cars have a say in what is to be done also. NS can pay the owners for the cars after they agree, then torch the cars ( preferably in winter snow ) and remove the pieces easier. Quite obvious that domo and mike have no idea of these things to do first.
went past two days ago. Cars still there, no clean up yet.
As I was watching your video I was wondering why they took the trucks off of the cars. Seemed odd.
Scott the trucks often separate from the car when it tips over. A lot of weight there! I've seen wrecks where this happened from excessive car rocking due to uneven track, or in some cases even low-speed harmonics on certain cars.
The trucks are not attached to the cars. The cars sit on the trucks with a pin in the holes. The trucks on locomotives, passenger cars, and a very few special freight cars have bolts or retaining pins to keep the trucks attached.
As busy as these three mains are, doubt they will re-rail the cars. Cutting them up instead does not shut that track down. Wheels come off on their own because nothing holds them together other that the cars weight itself. Laying there for years has no affect on anything if the railroad so desires. If you are bothered by the sight, don't look the next time you travel through there. All is very simple.
That was great. All the cars have been stripped of the wheels. So are they left to rust and rot? Will they bring in a heavy duty crane to move them onto a flatcar and haul them away? Only time will tell.
I saw it on Google earth and made my own RUclips video about it sorry I did not realize you made a video on
I found the horse shoe curve one day by accident and the girl told me that the derailment happened the night before and I got to see the clean up the next day
even Penn Central didn’t derail at horseshoe curve
August came and went with no derailment- I feel cheated.
Then you are truly mad!
In a deaimnet who pays for the cars damaged (insurance?)?
Have they reported the cause of the derailment?
i was young when i went there with my folks.
Come on people, keep the Wilderness tidy and remove this mess
Even the PC didn’t derail at horseshoe
The reason there has been no further problems is that the consist manager/yard master has come back off his holidays?
Just a friendly reminder to the engineers to SLOW YOUR ROLL at the curve!
It's not a grain car. CPCX is Chevron Philips Chemical. Plastic pellets hopper.
Thanks for clarifying! My apologies for the mistake. Would "hopper car" be the correct generic term for any type of car like that?
@@DavidLauback no you're good no apologies needed! Yeah hopper car is pretty much it. If you *REALLY* want to go into detail then it's a plastics covered hopper car.
Yes being from Altoona actually Juniata and having moved to near the curve in the 1970's this leaving cars derailed around the curve would have been unheard of with the old time railroadeders and administration! First off it's not safe for other trains to maneuver around the curve and it's just unsightly. But knowing a engineer who is family and who engineers up n down the curve daily. NS is now not doing anyhing that remotely comes close to safety!!
They the engineers and conductors are very concerned for their own safety n the public's!
If I was a kid I'd be climbing all over it!
No , that trackage has a very high amount of train traffic and the tracks are a no trespassing area that is monitored by Norfolk Southern police and if caught on the railroad you will get into serious trouble.
What a mess, NS screwed up on weight distribution smh
Probably derailed because the empty lumber cars were in the middle of the train. No weight to hold them on the tracks in the turn.
That will fit perfectly if it was ho scale
WHY isn't the railroad being held responsible for cleaning up, not just leaving everything there.
Because Norfolk Southern owns the land so they can take as much time as they want with removing derailed equipment. Anyways it's not that easy to remove derailments from the curve because the horse shoe curve has a high amount of rail traffic which makes it hard for NS to do anything , in order for them to do any work they have to plan ahead months in advance to let the rail agencies know when , where and how long they'll be working. The curve is the hardest places to work at because they not only have non-stop rail traffic but they also work on a narrow ledge above a medium sized and one mishap would send an oncoming train down over the hill into the Reservoir.
the grain and box car are still on Google maps 😆
Empties at the front of a train, not smart …
Well I'm still wondering if somebodies head rolled on this one? Probably not, they will likely go on to blame the conductor and engineer, but apparently someone finally got it thru there head that there are certain ways of building trains up and definite ways that you do not! Here lye's the evidence of the way not to twice! This is the cost of big railroading. Shove it out of the way and get the tracks back open. I don't know how far something like this set NS back. I'm guessing months, maybe longer. And this chunk of railroad happens to be so busy and so valuable that who knows when there will ever be time available to shut down a set of rails to bring in the equipment to re-rail those cars. I think they are going to lay there quite a while. They may actually cut them up into small pieces to be loaded out which may or may not be quicker to load out.
Looks as though it wouldn’t take much to put them back to use.🇬🇧
Unfortunately that's easier said than done because Norfolk Southern would have to find a way to get them back to the yard which is quite a distance from there and if they are damaged in any way they can't be put back on the tracks into a consist because of the risk of another derailment so the only choice would be to cut them up and scrap them.
A crew with cutting torches could have that cleaned up in a couple weeks
PRETTY SURE THAT A "PUSHER" IS ALWAYS NEEDED ON ROUTES WITH THIS CHAIN OF CURVE. WITH THE WEIGHT AND THE PRINCIPLE OF THE "STRAIGHT LINE" THE LAW OF PHYSICS IS SURELY GONNA KICK IN.
I just saw this on Google Earth.
Those poor center-beam lumber racks just don't get no love, center-beam's seem to die three at a time. HO scale for sure.
I saw these on google earth
These car are at their final resting place. NS or whoever is responsible for this mess will cite that there is no money, time, equipment or manpower for a cleanup. It's RR property so they can do what they want and leave the mess as is. Environmental eyesore for sure.
Not true at all.
Gee bob dont ya think that 3 empty centerbeams up front of 100 car manifest might be a bad idea? Naw I'm fresh out of yard schooling my snowflake ass aced my paper test on weights. Besides the big number on the ldlmt says its heavy.
bet ns is being charged rent on those derailed cars sitting there by there owners.
No they aren't. They bought the cars and will in turn sell for scrap value.
@@TheNemosdaddy makes sense.
Stupid music made the video unwatchable.
This music makes no sense.