I mean, if your kid is constantly breaking bones and getting skull fractures, your first thought probably isn't going to be a genetic condition. I can't blame the mother for assuming it was abuse.
It's not your first thought, but playing devil's advocate here, In marriage, should there be love and trust. If she trusted her ex enough to know he would never do something like that they should have gotten the child to get a full medical work up together. However, I do admit it's weird that she the child seemed to be accident prone only when she wasn't in the mother's care.
Yo! There was just a news story on this where CPS took both a mothers children because the medical examiner thought it was abuse. She asked for a second opinion and was denied, had her children withheld from her for about nine months and when she finally got in front of a judge, the judge was appalled at how this was handled. He ordered a second look and it was found that the child had a genetic disorder that caused his injuries to look like abuse.
I made a comment about this if it’s the same case, it was known even from the child’s pediatrician there was a disorder that caused the babies bones to break and bruise easily . But the hospital didn’t even care about it
@@piinkam0r only in 'merrica. like the case of the woman who had human chimerism. the doctors thought she kidnapped someone else's kids, because they didn't genetically match her, but turns out, she herself also didn't genetically match herself, in some places. in fact she tested as having her brother's genes, as well as her own... she didn't have a brother. XD
@Flower7 yes. she did have a brother and a sister I think. ( i can't remember if she had a brother) but the "brother" whose genes, she tested for, were a non existing brother. spooooky.
This would be a terrible situation; you put yourself in legal trouble believing you're saving your daughter from abuse only to learn it was a medical condition, you separated her from her father, and you're at risk of going to jail for kidnapping and missing months, possibly years, with your daughter. I feel so bad for the mom, that "what have I done" really hits hard.
but you feel nothing for the father? he is the actual victim. I feel for the mother too, and I understand why she did what she did, in particular if she went to the doctors and they told her it was abuse: what should the mother do? she did her best. Painful, but the real victim is the dad because it was not true.
@@jaimeduncan6167 Did I say I felt nothing for the father? No. And there's no "real" victim. Everyone was a victim in this situation in one way or another. Two things I'm sick of: people assumingg what you're opinion is when you don't give it yourself and also this idea of a "real" victim. It's not a contest. Pain is pain. Trauma is trauma. And trying to say who's hurt worst or who's the real victim in situations like this is so dehumanizing.
I would hope the father would understand that she did what a parent should do given the information she had. The courts don't do enough to protect abuse victims, and sometimes, you have to do what you have to do to protect your baby. At least she felt remorse when she knew she was wrong. But I do not blame her when other parents watch their children get abused and do nothing.
As a mother myself I honestly would have probably done the same thing if I thought my baby was being abused. The first thing that comes to mind is that the father is abusing her, I would have never thought about it being a genetic condition. I feel absolutely terrible for the mother because all she wanted was to make sure her child was safe and things took a turn on her.
@@notwerkinginthishouse8634 ....really the first thing to come to mind is. O the father of are child the one that gave the seed... he possibly cant love that child as much as me maybe a 2 out of 10. He did it, kill him... trow him in jail, i dont think im jumping to conclusions. LITERALLY WHAT THE WHOLE CLIP WAS ABOUT THAT WOMAN WAS INSANE AND COULDN'T HAVE LOVED HER HUSBAND
@@crisc6510 you know how stupid ypu guts sound right!?!, like seriously This is how this stuff happens Especially if they don't want their partner to know. it happens in Every Case of mistreatment. And on the count they are on divorce And ran through lawyers and a judge and No one caught this And the Dr's even thought that she was is Proof yall know Nothing your talking about also are gaslighting which I nor help and rude. So no she's Not a horrible wife, and first off that statement us dumb as she is his Ex wife so why would she care like that and too. Any parent as many Has and Should put the Safety of the child First. So this women comment and the women in the show Is right for doing that and wouldn't be look at that way cause Nothing is more important then keeping your child Safe, Nothing!
Right?! It absolutely sucks that it ended up the way it did, but she's a wonderful mother for protecting her baby like that. Sometimes... situations are... difficult...you gotta do something kind of wrong for the right reason.. like the mom.
@@julesoxanaprotect her from something that never happened. She should have talked to her daughter and had her examined but she probably chose to run instead.
I can’t blame the mother for thinking & doing what she did. What else was she suppose to think when her daughter constantly had broken bones? It’s just a sad situation.
This happened to my friend and her daughter. She had her two kids taken from her because it looked like abuse, and it took her seven years to get them back.
True I feel like any parent would’ve done that and I hope the mother doesn’t get hard time, and fixes her relationships with her daughter and husband given she’ll still go to prison and miss out on important moments.
If the father is so rich, why couldn't he do a full workup on the child to assure his wife that he's not abusing her? Did he think it was just a-OK for the child to be deaf and keep breaking her body? And if they really trusted each other when they married, why didn't she suggest a full medical workup before being so sure he was abusing her child?
The fractures aren't a symptom of the condition. Weak bones are the condition. It's more than likely that the father was with the child during the incidents where she may have hit her head causing a fracture. Knowing the cause of the incident, you'd be less likely to see a doctor to find underlying conditions. But from the outside looking in, the kind of fall would most likely not result in a fracture. The excuse that she fell and hit her head is only going to work once or twice. And when you suspect your partner of severe abuse to the point of breaking bones, you don't exactly get the luxury of asking if something else is responsible. The risk of more abuse happening because of your suspicions have literally gotten people killed. As said in the beginning the hearing loss only happened recently, only after having left her husband, but the condition was always there since birth.
@@yogoo0 The severe hearing loss was already happening and she only recently kidnapped her kid. It's quite improbable that an engaged father would have missed the child's declining hearing when he had custody. If the father was truly paying attention, knowing that he didn't abuse the child, he should have started to suspect an underlying issue for repeated fractures after insignificant incidents.
@@yogoo0 I understand separating the child from a probable abuse situation, but to go through an ugly divorce and kidnap your child is not the good next step. What about telling your husband that if he's truly not the abuser, they can prove his innocence through separating him from the child for a while and getting a child psychologist? She would continue to get injured, then they would realize there's a medical issue.
I don't blame the mum, in the same way I don't blame the hospital for calling child protective services on my parents. I have a similar genetic connective tissue disorder also caused by a defect on the gene that tells the body to produce collagen. I was a very clumsy kid (which is a characteristic of the disorder) and was always covered in bruises, scratches and had frequent joint dislocations. A doctor at the hospital called CPS as I wasn't diagnosed yet and he was shocked at the state of my body. Child abuse was an important differential to rule out, as genetic connective tissue disorders are often rare. Got diagnosed with Ehlers Danlos syndrome shortly after :-)
I briefly knew someone with EDS while I was in highschool. He was in a wheelchair with a broken leg when I met him - I think I had offered to help him get to the elevator so he could get to his class on the second floor on time. He’s probably the only reason I know what EDS is.
I have a very severe form of EDS and doctors always used to pull me aside and ask “is everything ok at home?” just from the sheer amount of injuries I sustained so frequently. I understand completely why they thought I was in danger but it was a bit strange for me as a child.
i know a person with it. it think she got diagnosed early. she did gymnastics and she said that it was good for flexibleness but sadly it makes it easier for her to overflex-so she quit after a bit.
I mean in general doctors must assume that it is abuse. As mandated reporters it’s their duty to protect and report. If a child is actually being abused or was abused and they don’t report it a child could continue being abused.
Wdym the way she acted desperately. Most people act desperately with or without abuse. It’s a personality thing that doesn’t always correlate with being abused. A lot of people just can’t handle high stress environments
The mother's not a specialist in rare genetic disorders so of course the fact that the daughter's injuries only happened on Dad's watch raise suspicions of abuse.
Yes, they can be. There have been many cases of children not wanting to be separated from abusive parents. Often because the child doesn't really understand that they're being abused, because to them it's "normal." Sometimes it's because the child, particularly older children, are being manipulated by the abusive parent. Sometimes it's because the child just wants the abusive parent to love them instead of being abused.
@@mary-janereallynotsarah684 I meant emotionally, Drs would get into serious trouble if they don't follow protocol, it's not her fault the mother ASSUMED abuse, OFTEN no abused CHILD would cling that much to their parent if abuse exists to the extent if fractured skull repeatedly!
@@mary-janereallynotsarah684 it’s has to be done and it’s illegal to kidnap a child even if it’s you’re own blood Nat had no choice but to get the cops involved if she didn’t she would of possibly gotten fired from her job the mum did do something wrong so Nat made the best decision possible in this situation even if she found out before hand they would still need to call the cops because the mum did many things against the law
If the kid was only getting hurt with dad, I can see why she suspected him. Hearing that the kid is just extra fragile doesn't change the fact that in dad's care she was getting seriously hurt. Dad is still too rough and/or let's the daughter play too rough. Mom did take her out of a situation where she was getting injured even if it wasn't an abusive one where the injuries were intentional.
What would make this even worse is if the dad didn't know about the condition. Dads can get a little carried away when playing with their kids and be unaware.
I had heard of a case and the way it was presented in what I read was "Nurse fired for calling CPS" . I read the article and it talks about a elementary school boy being taken to hospital with bleeding, it mentions that his older and younger brothers are recently diagnosed with clotting disorder and the patient needs to be tested for the condition. The nurse calls CPS instead of making sure the patient is treated for clotting disorder.
I was diagnosed with dyspraxia when I was 20. It's all about problems with balance and memory - I cannot BEGIN to quantify how many injuries I've had over the years, and I'm bloody glad there's always been multiple witnesses and that I don't bruise easily. I can only imagine the consequences otherwise 😅
When i first got with my husband he did not understand why I kept hurting myself...had to explain yes I have dyslexia but I also have dyspraxia...and dyscalculia 😂 To top it all off i have strawberry birthmarks on my thigh so from prek on i had to tell so many people im clumbsy and those are birthmarks 😂 Falling out of a bus in prek and destroying my knee in 1st grade during recess was enough proof for my small school to last till graduation though.
There is no way that child was not being abused. If the injuries ONLY happened while she was at her father’s, that still points to abuse. The condition causes weak bones, not “bones that only break at her father’s house”
@Shoggo Although this is just a show I would actually say "well this proves he was NOT abusing her" as there would be A LOT more damage on her body if she was abused, considering her condition. Plus it's normal that kids sometimes have a more relaxed parent as Ikajo wrote, where they run, play roughhouse, climb ect. more than at the other parents home.
To people suggesting she could've trusted her partner because that's what a marriage is, ignoring the fact that parental love can supercede love for a partner, it seems clear to me that they were divorced and had a shared custody agreement (she mentioned his lawyers and it sounds like they weren't living together). So if the relationship wasn't rosy and the girl was developing injuries everytime she's with her dad, of course the mom would do what she did.
"What have I done?" What any mother would have done if she believed her child was in serious danger. And both sadly and frankly we're not taught about disorders like this. We got no other choice but to think the worst. That's just the way our world is set up.
First part of the video that may be double take, kid can't hear so the doctors first instant is to ask can you hear that and the kid answers right away? Wait what????
I think the worse a judge would do would be house arrest. She did not kidnap the child out of malice, there was evidence of abuse amd she had lost in court before to her ex husband on a related matter.
This reminds of a real life case I heard where a woman named Patricia Stallings took her baby son to the ER and he died. The doctors found high levels of ethylene glycol in his blood and of course suspected antifreeze poisoning (antifreeze contains eg) and turned Patricia in. She was pregnant with her second child at the time and gave birth to another son in prison. He ended up being diagnosed with MMA ( methylmalonic acidemia), a genetic disorder that can mimic antifreeze poisoning. The deceased son's DNA was tested and, surprise surprise, he had MMA too. Patricia was eventually released and cleared.
i have a genetic condition that causes my bones to break easily and thats why i only go to one doctor bc they diagnosed me with it and finally understood my problems.
On a unrelated note, There is no way this child would have gotten a bone marrow transplant. Not anytime soon. There is a wait list for that. And it’s difficult to find a match. Unless the family members all tested to see if they match. But, mostly likely they won’t.
I feel for that mom. She was doing what she thought she had to do, the only thing that made sense to her. I'd hope the legal system (and the ex husband) would be lenient in this case since literally even doctors thought she was being abused.
Shes a Mother trying to protect her daughter it's understand to think it's abuse if she's breaking bones especially if she hasn't heard of the condition before and she's making sure her daughter won't continue to be abused
"The proper authorities sort it out" evidently the proper authorities have developed a policy since hospitals developed specialized roles for these interviews that decide whether to report it: Believe Doctors. Often, no further investigation is performed at all, suspicion is sufficient.
I read about a doctor who's a child abuse specialist who destroyed several families by finding "abuse" over the slightest injuries normal in children. It took at least 20 something children who were removed from the families before someone above finally paid attention.
Hopefully, the judicial system would look kindly upon this, and the parents would work it out and find a way to get back together IF the suspected abuse was the reason they split up.
At that point she already suspected that her ex was abusing her so no shocker there. Plus, from her perspective, she already removed her daughter from the abusive environment.
@@alexandramoyer8785 did I say it doesn’t smooth brain. I said u can’t try and psychoanalyse a made up show based on the acting when it’s just poor acting
That's called jumping to conclusions. I have genuinely given myself a black eye from walking into a door. A friend of mine was covered in bruises. His parents were accused of abuse when he went to hospital for something unrelated. He got the bruises from fencing hits. Thankfully it was sorted.
“What have I done?” You found out through the route you took why your daughter is sick and can delay disease progression. Any jail time is worth it though I agree she should maybe be put on probation or get counseling instead of prison.
The reversed happened to my cousin. My cousin is an OKU, he is mentally impaired. He only became like this because his parents would beat him and thrashed him everytime they lose their money to gambling. They were always having money problems and they had no patience for raising children. They beat him so much that he became mentally impaired. His dad would make excuses, make up lies and justify that my cousin was born mentally impaired in order to take away accountability and evade responsibility for his transgressions he committed against his son, he would pretend he was not the one at fault for causing his son to be this way. But all of us knew the truth, we knew he and his wife turned my cousin this way. No matter how many lies he tells, we all know the truth. Unfortunately, beating your child is not illegal where i am from. We were not allowed to take my cousin away from his parents. So he is stuck with them forever.
Before and during my time with Aplastic Anemia, I was very pale, fatigued and bruised easily (and the bruises were pretty dark). Thankfully, no one considered that I was being abused, as putting in the factors of my family being German (this was while my parents, brothers and I lived in the States) which gave me light skin and I was blonde (which made the bruises look pretty dark), I did Martial Arts and Horse-back riding, had a younger brother (the second brother came later) who I often went outside with to play and explore (same with my friends) and was generally a happy and energetic child (before the Aplastic Anemia). It was only when I developed petechiae that concern rose and went from Doctor’s office to the ER during the entire day (for those who don’t know, Aplastic Anemia is an autoimmune blood disorder where the T-cells from the immune system attack the bone marrow, which then fails to produce enough blood. My diagnosis was labeled as “Severe” because the doctor said that if we hadn’t taken action, I could have passed within a few weeks). The only thing people were really concerned about was that I was a fairly thin child (finding pants to fit my tiny child waist wasn’t easy 😂) I am no longer as thin, due to hyperthyroidism (a family issue) but I’m fine with my weight, because I am soft and cuddly and have had kids and pets fall asleep on me 😊
My cousin died of aplastic anemia. He was 35. He had a wife and a 3 month old son. This was in 1999 and I still haven't gotten over it. The only treatment for him was a bone marrow transplant and he developed graft vs. host disease at the most severe level you can have it. He died seven months after he was originally diagnosed. He was an amazing person. His wife remarried 7 years later and died last year from a brain aneurysm at 52. I have a huge extended family who supported her when my cousin died and when she passed everyone rallied. Their son is doing well, but the whole thing still makes me sad.
I know someone who was questioned as abusing their child because of injuries - child protective services involved and turned out that the child had cancer. I can't even imagine though thinking that your child is being abused and having to have them go back to that home.
@@nicolasdiez7688 sounds like the mother was in a no win situation. Would be accused of not trying to protect her daughter if she left her there, & accused of kidnapping when she did protect her. Very sad.
@@catherinep2034 besides, she had all the odds to lose. She told the doctors her ex is someone with power and money so he has the best lawyers by his side, which means her desperate atempt to protect her daughter was pointless and would have to face jail for a good time (at least a few years) away from her daughter 😔
This is bad writing on the shows part, if she has that condition why where her bones only broken at the father’s house? She should have continued to get injuries with her mother . Then they would have figured out it wasn’t abuse
Usually there’s an agreement between the two parents. Since u know… it’s also the fathers daughter. However by taking her without the fathers knowledge means it’s abduction since the father can no longer see his daughter and meet her, u know, Bcz she was taken away from him without any legal authorisation. Which is basically an abduction
It’s not kidnapping it’s cold custodial interference but my book without extenuating circumstances which existed here I would consider it kidnapping. I’m most certainly would want to hear the father side of the story.
Even if he was abusing her .... She never went to the doctor when it first started? Just to report the findings and make sure the abuse was medically documented to help her case? Yeah ... That mother literally went from 0 to 60000 and is probably gonna lose custody
I'm glad CPS was decent in my case. I was a WILD child who got hurt so much in 6 months the hospital called them. Thankfully they listened to me and that my parents were only around for a third of my numbness. XD
Will be good if the father know that eventhough it's misunderstanding and distrust, but he know the mother is doing it to protect the child, and thus decided to not press charges.
If you think about it, she did the same thing that hospitals do when they suspect child abuse. Only, she took the child instead of calling the police. However, when the other parent has a lot of money, a person can be scared.
I was sick and sicker and sickness and sickening to my stomach problems that were not even more painful to my stomach to heal the pain to recover from physical pain treatment for pain or swelling and discomfort caused a severe injury or injured injuries can occur during pregnancy or physical therapy for their therapist to understand the problem is absolutely important to my stomach to heal my stomach and not only way to keep eating and drinking and sleeping and being treated like an physical therapist support
Mother or father, a parent would think the other was doing something in this situation. Either one should of alerted the authorities and speak to their significant other on what their thoughts were.
I feel so bad for the mother I hope she didn’t receive any serious time given the circumstances of the situation! But in truth everyone suffered because of her choice, the daughter, the father, but she did what any parent would’ve done given the thought that the child was suspected of being abused!
As a mother your dammed of you do ( if you take the child away for a abusive situation but he's manipulative people could think you just don't want him around but your trying to protect your child but if you don't you'll be dammed cuz you'll be blamed for not take rhe baby out of the situation....I feel her...they should have waited to call and maybe call the husband /father
The only thing that these medical drama episodes have taught me is that parents should never bring their children to hospitals for anything without a lawyer present.
Because she unconsciously learned to compensate through lip-reading. I did this as a child, which made it difficult to diagnose my hearing impairment - it wasn't until they did a hearing test while blocking my vision that they realised, and that was down to one doctor who realised that I was staring intently at him during the repeat a word test. I was so young at the time that I had no idea what I was doing, just thought that's how it was for everyone.
I feel like the actress for the little girl is too old for how they’re treating her. Like if she was like 5ish some of it would make sense but this girl has to be like 8 or 9
Legally, kidnapping. As a parent, nothing. She got the girl out of what she believed to be an abusive situation and when her hearing started to go, sought medical treatment.
I knew a person who had a similar condition. The thing is if mom paid attention to the kid and figuring out how she kept getting hurt before thinking abuse shows the trust she has with her husband. I mean a child will most likely be left alone with either or both parents. You can't jump to abuse before figuring stuff out or before the child says something. I don't think it's possible that the kid never got hurt in front of her mom.
Okay but imagine if your child always came home from daddies place with skull, arm and leg fractures, bruises everywhere, if there was abuse although illegal, would it not have been justified?
I don’t understand what happen why did the mother say what have I done when dr manning told her it was not abuse then what was it and did the mother do something to her
I mean In this case it isn’t her fault. I can see why she took her daughter away. To protect her because she loves her and doesn’t want anything to happen to her. So it isn’t her fault and besides if she hadn’t and they never figured it out she could have fell and hurt her brain badly and it could have killed her so her mother did a good thing
I’m confused, didn’t the parents have the girl see a doctor to make sure those injuries were caused by abuse? Doesn’t that normally happen when one parent accuses another of abuse?
And often times drs think it's something like a genetic condition when theres really abuse going on, and shouldn't really accuse the parents of abuse to there face, because rather if they actually did do any abuse or not, they will deny it and make lt look like your the bad one.
I mean, if your kid is constantly breaking bones and getting skull fractures, your first thought probably isn't going to be a genetic condition. I can't blame the mother for assuming it was abuse.
same here
But the heartbreak and regret at the end.... She realized her mistake and it destroyed her mentally.
It’s like the medical saying “if you hear hooves you assume horses not zebras”
Still says a lot about our society that we assume the men are automatically abusers before anything else.
It's not your first thought, but playing devil's advocate here, In marriage, should there be love and trust. If she trusted her ex enough to know he would never do something like that they should have gotten the child to get a full medical work up together. However, I do admit it's weird that she the child seemed to be accident prone only when she wasn't in the mother's care.
Yo! There was just a news story on this where CPS took both a mothers children because the medical examiner thought it was abuse. She asked for a second opinion and was denied, had her children withheld from her for about nine months and when she finally got in front of a judge, the judge was appalled at how this was handled. He ordered a second look and it was found that the child had a genetic disorder that caused his injuries to look like abuse.
I made a comment about this if it’s the same case, it was known even from the child’s pediatrician there was a disorder that caused the babies bones to break and bruise easily . But the hospital didn’t even care about it
@@piinkam0r only in 'merrica. like the case of the woman who had human chimerism. the doctors thought she kidnapped someone else's kids, because they didn't genetically match her, but turns out, she herself also didn't genetically match herself, in some places. in fact she tested as having her brother's genes, as well as her own... she didn't have a brother. XD
@Flower7 yup chimerism is very real. A woman has given birth to children who were genetically her nieces
@Flower7 yes. she did have a brother and a sister I think. ( i can't remember if she had a brother) but the "brother" whose genes, she tested for, were a non existing brother. spooooky.
@@mychatpalace so probably had make n female genes
This would be a terrible situation; you put yourself in legal trouble believing you're saving your daughter from abuse only to learn it was a medical condition, you separated her from her father, and you're at risk of going to jail for kidnapping and missing months, possibly years, with your daughter. I feel so bad for the mom, that "what have I done" really hits hard.
It wouldn’t really be the mom fault she didn’t know
@@aleciamarie817 the law doesnt really care, she still kidnapped her, it would be up to the father if he truly wants to press charges against her
but you feel nothing for the father? he is the actual victim. I feel for the mother too, and I understand why she did what she did, in particular if she went to the doctors and they told her it was abuse: what should the mother do? she did her best. Painful, but the real victim is the dad because it was not true.
@@jaimeduncan6167 Did I say I felt nothing for the father? No. And there's no "real" victim. Everyone was a victim in this situation in one way or another. Two things I'm sick of: people assumingg what you're opinion is when you don't give it yourself and also this idea of a "real" victim. It's not a contest. Pain is pain. Trauma is trauma. And trying to say who's hurt worst or who's the real victim in situations like this is so dehumanizing.
I would hope the father would understand that she did what a parent should do given the information she had. The courts don't do enough to protect abuse victims, and sometimes, you have to do what you have to do to protect your baby. At least she felt remorse when she knew she was wrong. But I do not blame her when other parents watch their children get abused and do nothing.
As a mother myself I honestly would have probably done the same thing if I thought my baby was being abused. The first thing that comes to mind is that the father is abusing her, I would have never thought about it being a genetic condition. I feel absolutely terrible for the mother because all she wanted was to make sure her child was safe and things took a turn on her.
Wow your a bad wife
You never would've thought of taking her to the doctor to rule any medical condition first?
@@crisc6510how
@@notwerkinginthishouse8634 ....really the first thing to come to mind is. O the father of are child the one that gave the seed... he possibly cant love that child as much as me maybe a 2 out of 10. He did it, kill him... trow him in jail, i dont think im jumping to conclusions. LITERALLY WHAT THE WHOLE CLIP WAS ABOUT THAT WOMAN WAS INSANE AND COULDN'T HAVE LOVED HER HUSBAND
@@crisc6510 you know how stupid ypu guts sound right!?!, like seriously This is how this stuff happens Especially if they don't want their partner to know. it happens in Every Case of mistreatment. And on the count they are on divorce And ran through lawyers and a judge and No one caught this And the Dr's even thought that she was is Proof yall know Nothing your talking about also are gaslighting which I nor help and rude. So no she's Not a horrible wife, and first off that statement us dumb as she is his Ex wife so why would she care like that and too. Any parent as many Has and Should put the Safety of the child First. So this women comment and the women in the show Is right for doing that and wouldn't be look at that way cause Nothing is more important then keeping your child Safe, Nothing!
"what have I done?" You tried to protect your daughter. Period.
Right?! It absolutely sucks that it ended up the way it did, but she's a wonderful mother for protecting her baby like that. Sometimes... situations are... difficult...you gotta do something kind of wrong for the right reason.. like the mom.
"protect" sure sure
Think of the father who did nothing and was still punished for it
@@randomusername3873 She is trying to protect her daughter.
@@julesoxanaprotect her from something that never happened. She should have talked to her daughter and had her examined but she probably chose to run instead.
I can’t blame the mother for thinking & doing what she did. What else was she suppose to think when her daughter constantly had broken bones? It’s just a sad situation.
Take her to the doctor and ask her daughter if she had been abused?
@Sarcastically Rearranged What? Ask a simple question of a cognizant child? What sort of foolishness do you speak of?!
Kidnapping is still illegal the mom could go to jail and loose her kid either way
@@sarcasticallyrearranged why didn't the dad do that?
@@janekof how do you know he didn't?
This happened to my friend and her daughter. She had her two kids taken from her because it looked like abuse, and it took her seven years to get them back.
Wow that's awful 😢
That's horrible...
“What have I done?”
What any mother would do under the supposed circumstances, and tried to protect your baby.
True I feel like any parent would’ve done that and I hope the mother doesn’t get hard time, and fixes her relationships with her daughter and husband given she’ll still go to prison and miss out on important moments.
If the father is so rich, why couldn't he do a full workup on the child to assure his wife that he's not abusing her? Did he think it was just a-OK for the child to be deaf and keep breaking her body? And if they really trusted each other when they married, why didn't she suggest a full medical workup before being so sure he was abusing her child?
The fractures aren't a symptom of the condition. Weak bones are the condition. It's more than likely that the father was with the child during the incidents where she may have hit her head causing a fracture. Knowing the cause of the incident, you'd be less likely to see a doctor to find underlying conditions. But from the outside looking in, the kind of fall would most likely not result in a fracture. The excuse that she fell and hit her head is only going to work once or twice.
And when you suspect your partner of severe abuse to the point of breaking bones, you don't exactly get the luxury of asking if something else is responsible. The risk of more abuse happening because of your suspicions have literally gotten people killed. As said in the beginning the hearing loss only happened recently, only after having left her husband, but the condition was always there since birth.
Why is it on the man to prove innocence and not the woman you clown?
@@yogoo0 The severe hearing loss was already happening and she only recently kidnapped her kid. It's quite improbable that an engaged father would have missed the child's declining hearing when he had custody.
If the father was truly paying attention, knowing that he didn't abuse the child, he should have started to suspect an underlying issue for repeated fractures after insignificant incidents.
@@yogoo0 I understand separating the child from a probable abuse situation, but to go through an ugly divorce and kidnap your child is not the good next step. What about telling your husband that if he's truly not the abuser, they can prove his innocence through separating him from the child for a while and getting a child psychologist? She would continue to get injured, then they would realize there's a medical issue.
Didn't she panic and refuse to let him see her?
I don't blame the mum, in the same way I don't blame the hospital for calling child protective services on my parents. I have a similar genetic connective tissue disorder also caused by a defect on the gene that tells the body to produce collagen. I was a very clumsy kid (which is a characteristic of the disorder) and was always covered in bruises, scratches and had frequent joint dislocations. A doctor at the hospital called CPS as I wasn't diagnosed yet and he was shocked at the state of my body. Child abuse was an important differential to rule out, as genetic connective tissue disorders are often rare. Got diagnosed with Ehlers Danlos syndrome shortly after :-)
I briefly knew someone with EDS while I was in highschool. He was in a wheelchair with a broken leg when I met him - I think I had offered to help him get to the elevator so he could get to his class on the second floor on time. He’s probably the only reason I know what EDS is.
I have a very severe form of EDS and doctors always used to pull me aside and ask “is everything ok at home?” just from the sheer amount of injuries I sustained so frequently. I understand completely why they thought I was in danger but it was a bit strange for me as a child.
i know a person with it. it think she got diagnosed early. she did gymnastics and she said that it was good for flexibleness but sadly it makes it easier for her to overflex-so she quit after a bit.
It seems like everyone has EDS these days
You can't diagnose abuse. You can diagnose the disease so how about testing for that first?
as soon as i saw it was manning i already knew what was going to happen. child involved = quick to think it's abuse
Frrrr
im crying because she always does that!!
it was sharon not her
I mean in general doctors must assume that it is abuse. As mandated reporters it’s their duty to protect and report. If a child is actually being abused or was abused and they don’t report it a child could continue being abused.
I believe the mother was actually a victim of abuse when she was a girl, that would explain the way she acted desperately, because of the trauma
Wdym the way she acted desperately. Most people act desperately with or without abuse. It’s a personality thing that doesn’t always correlate with being abused. A lot of people just can’t handle high stress environments
This is just a tv show, it's fictional..... not real life. I don't think the writers thought that far. But kudos to the actress..... I guess.
Just a question but what what parent wouldn’t be worried and desperate if they thought their child was being abused?
Her mother thought she was protecting her from abuse but the disease is what made her this way.
As much was said in the description, why repeat it?
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849I don’t know I just wrote what I knew
The mother's not a specialist in rare genetic disorders so of course the fact that the daughter's injuries only happened on Dad's watch raise suspicions of abuse.
1:05 That girl was impatiently insisting she see her dad, would she really be so eager to see him if he was hurting her?
Yes, they can be. There have been many cases of children not wanting to be separated from abusive parents. Often because the child doesn't really understand that they're being abused, because to them it's "normal." Sometimes it's because the child, particularly older children, are being manipulated by the abusive parent. Sometimes it's because the child just wants the abusive parent to love them instead of being abused.
@@terrimorrison2857 to the point of breaking her arm?
Awesome how Nat handled the kid 💛
She went to Goodwin knowing bureaucracy would rain down. How about examining the kid for a genetic condition before involving the cops.
@@mary-janereallynotsarah684 I meant emotionally, Drs would get into serious trouble if they don't follow protocol, it's not her fault the mother ASSUMED abuse, OFTEN no abused CHILD would cling that much to their parent if abuse exists to the extent if fractured skull repeatedly!
@@FullTimePatient37 Stockholm syndrome exists.
@@mary-janereallynotsarah684 it’s has to be done and it’s illegal to kidnap a child even if it’s you’re own blood Nat had no choice but to get the cops involved if she didn’t she would of possibly gotten fired from her job the mum did do something wrong so Nat made the best decision possible in this situation even if she found out before hand they would still need to call the cops because the mum did many things against the law
@@rhiiannaa well that's surprising.
If the kid was only getting hurt with dad, I can see why she suspected him. Hearing that the kid is just extra fragile doesn't change the fact that in dad's care she was getting seriously hurt. Dad is still too rough and/or let's the daughter play too rough. Mom did take her out of a situation where she was getting injured even if it wasn't an abusive one where the injuries were intentional.
What would make this even worse is if the dad didn't know about the condition. Dads can get a little carried away when playing with their kids and be unaware.
The kid clearly wasn't afraid of her dad and constantly asked for him. Not sure how this can connected to abuse..
I had heard of a case and the way it was presented in what I read was "Nurse fired for calling CPS" . I read the article and it talks about a elementary school boy being taken to hospital with bleeding, it mentions that his older and younger brothers are recently diagnosed with clotting disorder and the patient needs to be tested for the condition. The nurse calls CPS instead of making sure the patient is treated for clotting disorder.
This show deserves more respect omg!
It's one of the most popular medical shows.
Agreeeeee
I was diagnosed with dyspraxia when I was 20. It's all about problems with balance and memory - I cannot BEGIN to quantify how many injuries I've had over the years, and I'm bloody glad there's always been multiple witnesses and that I don't bruise easily. I can only imagine the consequences otherwise 😅
When i first got with my husband he did not understand why I kept hurting myself...had to explain yes I have dyslexia but I also have dyspraxia...and dyscalculia 😂
To top it all off i have strawberry birthmarks on my thigh so from prek on i had to tell so many people im clumbsy and those are birthmarks 😂
Falling out of a bus in prek and destroying my knee in 1st grade during recess was enough proof for my small school to last till graduation though.
I have dyspraxia too it sucks
There is no way that child was not being abused. If the injuries ONLY happened while she was at her father’s, that still points to abuse. The condition causes weak bones, not “bones that only break at her father’s house”
Oh well, they didn't think there is a smart person like you out here when they were writing the script...lol
Yeah I was sitting there like... huh?
She just said it causes weak bones... like.. something is still breaking those bones at the father's house.
Maybe the dad was a bit more relaxed? Allowing his kid to run around more? Or maybe the mom simply didn't notice any injuries during her own watch.
@Shoggo Although this is just a show I would actually say "well this proves he was NOT abusing her" as there would be A LOT more damage on her body if she was abused, considering her condition. Plus it's normal that kids sometimes have a more relaxed parent as Ikajo wrote, where they run, play roughhouse, climb ect. more than at the other parents home.
@@Ikajo neglect is still ab/use. If your child is breaking her own arm multiple times, you're not watching her properly.
To people suggesting she could've trusted her partner because that's what a marriage is, ignoring the fact that parental love can supercede love for a partner, it seems clear to me that they were divorced and had a shared custody agreement (she mentioned his lawyers and it sounds like they weren't living together). So if the relationship wasn't rosy and the girl was developing injuries everytime she's with her dad, of course the mom would do what she did.
The disease is very rare, so her believing it’s abuse isn’t unexpected
This is where disease turns into the most fucking confusing thing ever. My head was spinning.
Look up Brittle bone. I think that this related to what this girl has
"What have I done?"
What any mother would have done if she believed her child was in serious danger. And both sadly and frankly we're not taught about disorders like this. We got no other choice but to think the worst. That's just the way our world is set up.
I mean the kid clearly did not behave like she was abused by her dad - she constantly asked for him.
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First part of the video that may be double take, kid can't hear so the doctors first instant is to ask can you hear that and the kid answers right away? Wait what????
It’s not that the kid can’t hear, it’s that there’s difficulty hearing.
Hearing loss can range in frequenices, and come and ago.
I had a prescription for hearing aids at 26 for low tones. Mine is also genetic
The doctor asks her to find out how much/how little she can hear.
The way the girl wanted to see her father weird me out but then it made sense at the end
I think the worse a judge would do would be house arrest. She did not kidnap the child out of malice, there was evidence of abuse amd she had lost in court before to her ex husband on a related matter.
This reminds of a real life case I heard where a woman named Patricia Stallings took her baby son to the ER and he died. The doctors found high levels of ethylene glycol in his blood and of course suspected antifreeze poisoning (antifreeze contains eg) and turned Patricia in. She was pregnant with her second child at the time and gave birth to another son in prison. He ended up being diagnosed with MMA ( methylmalonic acidemia), a genetic disorder that can mimic antifreeze poisoning. The deceased son's DNA was tested and, surprise surprise, he had MMA too. Patricia was eventually released and cleared.
i have a genetic condition that causes my bones to break easily and thats why i only go to one doctor bc they diagnosed me with it and finally understood my problems.
On a unrelated note, There is no way this child would have gotten a bone marrow transplant. Not anytime soon. There is a wait list for that. And it’s difficult to find a match. Unless the family members all tested to see if they match. But, mostly likely they won’t.
I don’t blame momma it’s not her fault so much she didn’t know happened 😭
and as long as she ask for help, like going to the doctors with ther child.
Why do I get the feeling that this condition's diagnoses skyrocketed after this episode aired?
I feel for that mom. She was doing what she thought she had to do, the only thing that made sense to her. I'd hope the legal system (and the ex husband) would be lenient in this case since literally even doctors thought she was being abused.
Shes a Mother trying to protect her daughter it's understand to think it's abuse if she's breaking bones especially if she hasn't heard of the condition before and she's making sure her daughter won't continue to be abused
"The proper authorities sort it out" evidently the proper authorities have developed a policy since hospitals developed specialized roles for these interviews that decide whether to report it: Believe Doctors. Often, no further investigation is performed at all, suspicion is sufficient.
I read about a doctor who's a child abuse specialist who destroyed several families by finding "abuse" over the slightest injuries normal in children.
It took at least 20 something children who were removed from the families before someone above finally paid attention.
Hopefully, the judicial system would look kindly upon this, and the parents would work it out and find a way to get back together IF the suspected abuse was the reason they split up.
That doctor is very observant and it helps her patients a whole lot.
Am I the only one that found it odd, when she didn’t seem to care that they were suggesting child abuse - until they pointed the blame at her?
Bruh. It’s a show. U can’t psychoanalyse everything. She ain’t some great actor lol.
At that point she already suspected that her ex was abusing her so no shocker there. Plus, from her perspective, she already removed her daughter from the abusive environment.
@@googlefaps5883 bruh it happens in real life 🙄
@@alexandramoyer8785 did I say it doesn’t smooth brain. I said u can’t try and psychoanalyse a made up show based on the acting when it’s just poor acting
Dr. Manning and Dr. Reece would make a great duo.
literally no jury would convict her for this
I mean, in America...?
That's called jumping to conclusions. I have genuinely given myself a black eye from walking into a door. A friend of mine was covered in bruises. His parents were accused of abuse when he went to hospital for something unrelated. He got the bruises from fencing hits. Thankfully it was sorted.
TI is Such An Incredible Actress
Love this show 💓
“What have I done?”
You found out through the route you took why your daughter is sick and can delay disease progression. Any jail time is worth it though I agree she should maybe be put on probation or get counseling instead of prison.
The reversed happened to my cousin. My cousin is an OKU, he is mentally impaired. He only became like this because his parents would beat him and thrashed him everytime they lose their money to gambling. They were always having money problems and they had no patience for raising children. They beat him so much that he became mentally impaired. His dad would make excuses, make up lies and justify that my cousin was born mentally impaired in order to take away accountability and evade responsibility for his transgressions he committed against his son, he would pretend he was not the one at fault for causing his son to be this way. But all of us knew the truth, we knew he and his wife turned my cousin this way. No matter how many lies he tells, we all know the truth.
Unfortunately, beating your child is not illegal where i am from. We were not allowed to take my cousin away from his parents. So he is stuck with them forever.
Before and during my time with Aplastic Anemia, I was very pale, fatigued and bruised easily (and the bruises were pretty dark). Thankfully, no one considered that I was being abused, as putting in the factors of my family being German (this was while my parents, brothers and I lived in the States) which gave me light skin and I was blonde (which made the bruises look pretty dark), I did Martial Arts and Horse-back riding, had a younger brother (the second brother came later) who I often went outside with to play and explore (same with my friends) and was generally a happy and energetic child (before the Aplastic Anemia). It was only when I developed petechiae that concern rose and went from Doctor’s office to the ER during the entire day (for those who don’t know, Aplastic Anemia is an autoimmune blood disorder where the T-cells from the immune system attack the bone marrow, which then fails to produce enough blood. My diagnosis was labeled as “Severe” because the doctor said that if we hadn’t taken action, I could have passed within a few weeks). The only thing people were really concerned about was that I was a fairly thin child (finding pants to fit my tiny child waist wasn’t easy 😂) I am no longer as thin, due to hyperthyroidism (a family issue) but I’m fine with my weight, because I am soft and cuddly and have had kids and pets fall asleep on me 😊
My cousin died of aplastic anemia. He was 35. He had a wife and a 3 month old son. This was in 1999 and I still haven't gotten over it. The only treatment for him was a bone marrow transplant and he developed graft vs. host disease at the most severe level you can have it. He died seven months after he was originally diagnosed. He was an amazing person. His wife remarried 7 years later and died last year from a brain aneurysm at 52. I have a huge extended family who supported her when my cousin died and when she passed everyone rallied. Their son is doing well, but the whole thing still makes me sad.
I know someone who was questioned as abusing their child because of injuries - child protective services involved and turned out that the child had cancer. I can't even imagine though thinking that your child is being abused and having to have them go back to that home.
Nobody offered that mother a single kind word.
I wanna know what happened next!
The mom gets detained with charges of kidnapping a minor
@@nicolasdiez7688 sounds like the mother was in a no win situation. Would be accused of not trying to protect her daughter if she left her there, & accused of kidnapping when she did protect her. Very sad.
@@nicolasdiez7688 that’s it?
@@itsleetv935 yeah, that's it. We don't know what happened to the girl but it is sure that she went back with her father
@@catherinep2034 besides, she had all the odds to lose. She told the doctors her ex is someone with power and money so he has the best lawyers by his side, which means her desperate atempt to protect her daughter was pointless and would have to face jail for a good time (at least a few years) away from her daughter 😔
Haha the kid going "WHAT?"😂
This is bad writing on the shows part, if she has that condition why where her bones only broken at the father’s house? She should have continued to get injuries with her mother . Then they would have figured out it wasn’t abuse
Its her daughter tho why is it “kidnapping” did she not have custody or something?
Usually there’s an agreement between the two parents. Since u know… it’s also the fathers daughter. However by taking her without the fathers knowledge means it’s abduction since the father can no longer see his daughter and meet her, u know, Bcz she was taken away from him without any legal authorisation. Which is basically an abduction
@@googlefaps5883 They also divorced, and the father won custody.
It’s not kidnapping it’s cold custodial interference but my book without extenuating circumstances which existed here I would consider it kidnapping. I’m most certainly would want to hear the father side of the story.
Even if he was abusing her .... She never went to the doctor when it first started? Just to report the findings and make sure the abuse was medically documented to help her case? Yeah ... That mother literally went from 0 to 60000 and is probably gonna lose custody
I'm glad CPS was decent in my case. I was a WILD child who got hurt so much in 6 months the hospital called them. Thankfully they listened to me and that my parents were only around for a third of my numbness. XD
Will be good if the father know that eventhough it's misunderstanding and distrust, but he know the mother is doing it to protect the child, and thus decided to not press charges.
"Can you hear that Phoebe?"
"Not really"
Hmmmm
😅
If you think about it, she did the same thing that hospitals do when they suspect child abuse. Only, she took the child instead of calling the police. However, when the other parent has a lot of money, a person can be scared.
I was sick and sicker and sickness and sickening to my stomach problems that were not even more painful to my stomach to heal the pain to recover from physical pain treatment for pain or swelling and discomfort caused a severe injury or injured injuries can occur during pregnancy or physical therapy for their therapist to understand the problem is absolutely important to my stomach to heal my stomach and not only way to keep eating and drinking and sleeping and being treated like an physical therapist support
Perfect Rinne and Weber tests
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You did what any parent should do if they suspect abuse...get away from that parent..YOU PUT YOUR CHILD ABOVE EVERYTHING...YOU DID THE RIGHT THING
Dr manning is my favorite character in Chicago med
The mom was on vh1 scream queens ❤I loved her on it should have won
Mother or father, a parent would think the other was doing something in this situation. Either one should of alerted the authorities and speak to their significant other on what their thoughts were.
Love natalie as working as nurse doctoring knowing whos boss with excellent points
I feel so bad for the mother I hope she didn’t receive any serious time given the circumstances of the situation! But in truth everyone suffered because of her choice, the daughter, the father, but she did what any parent would’ve done given the thought that the child was suspected of being abused!
That's Tai from VH1's Scream Queens. 😂 She still has the same forced face expressions 😂
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How did she hear the doctor at all💀
As a mother your dammed of you do ( if you take the child away for a abusive situation but he's manipulative people could think you just don't want him around but your trying to protect your child but if you don't you'll be dammed cuz you'll be blamed for not take rhe baby out of the situation....I feel her...they should have waited to call and maybe call the husband /father
Good day just smoked my blunt took my H325 pain meds and getting to see my favorite character Dr Charles
Wait.Did she kill her husband because she thought he was abusing her daughter ?
no she didn't
"Can you hear that?"
"No, not really"
Well this tells me one thing: the girl can hear Dr. Manning.
The only thing that these medical drama episodes have taught me is that parents should never bring their children to hospitals for anything without a lawyer present.
How often do hospitals forget to check the genetic aspect of the situation before calling CPS or equivalent services?
Can you do a part 2 so we can see phoebe getting told please
how was she able to answer that she couldn't hear!?! if she can't hear anything.
Because she unconsciously learned to compensate through lip-reading. I did this as a child, which made it difficult to diagnose my hearing impairment - it wasn't until they did a hearing test while blocking my vision that they realised, and that was down to one doctor who realised that I was staring intently at him during the repeat a word test. I was so young at the time that I had no idea what I was doing, just thought that's how it was for everyone.
I feel like the actress for the little girl is too old for how they’re treating her. Like if she was like 5ish some of it would make sense but this girl has to be like 8 or 9
nah, it's pretty realistic, since 8 or 9 is still young. I remember going to the hospital at that age and doctors would treat me like this too
That’s like 3rd grader age man
8 or 9 ain’t as old as you think it is…
How mature do you think an 8 year old is???
And literally every single mother would do the exact same thing.
Legally, kidnapping. As a parent, nothing. She got the girl out of what she believed to be an abusive situation and when her hearing started to go, sought medical treatment.
Wait did she hire a hitman in like the 2 hours LOL
sooooo what happend next?
I feel so sorry about that 😔😔😔😢🩹▪️
“What have I done?” 💔
This is so good on 2x 💀
I think that those actresses might really be mother and daughter. Or casting was just really good.
I like the video you posted
I knew a person who had a similar condition. The thing is if mom paid attention to the kid and figuring out how she kept getting hurt before thinking abuse shows the trust she has with her husband. I mean a child will most likely be left alone with either or both parents. You can't jump to abuse before figuring stuff out or before the child says something. I don't think it's possible that the kid never got hurt in front of her mom.
Anyone else think that from the ex-husband's perspective, the mom is abusive and literally kidnapped his child?
You can’t kidnap your own daughter tf .
Yes you can if y’all got both parents 50/50
I couldn’t stand her character in this show
@@missantonia14goldsby no you can’t it’s illegal
Okay but imagine if your child always came home from daddies place with skull, arm and leg fractures, bruises everywhere, if there was abuse although illegal, would it not have been justified?
@@karinisvetcoolwhen you do something like this, justifications don't matter
Get better Phoebe ❤
I don’t understand what happen why did the mother say what have I done when dr manning told her it was not abuse then what was it and did the mother do something to her
She means she feels guilty about taking her daughter from the father
"I could never hurt my daughter"
*Literally kidnaps her for no reason
Sure jan, sure😂
For some reason I would feel like the mom has short term memory loss is the mom just needs to be checked up on too
I mean In this case it isn’t her fault. I can see why she took her daughter away. To protect her because she loves her and doesn’t want anything to happen to her. So it isn’t her fault and besides if she hadn’t and they never figured it out she could have fell and hurt her brain badly and it could have killed her so her mother did a good thing
i’ve just come across this not watched the whole thing but my name is phoebe !
I’m confused, didn’t the parents have the girl see a doctor to make sure those injuries were caused by abuse? Doesn’t that normally happen when one parent accuses another of abuse?
I mean better safe than sorry
And often times drs think it's something like a genetic condition when theres really abuse going on, and shouldn't really accuse the parents of abuse to there face, because rather if they actually did do any abuse or not, they will deny it and make lt look like your the bad one.
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