Poker Betting Rules No1

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  • Опубликовано: 3 мар 2018
  • Over Size Chip Rule
    50% to be a Raise Rule
    Minimum Raise Rule
    and associated procedures.
    West Coast Dealing School LLC

Комментарии • 102

  • @evilschmoo
    @evilschmoo 2 года назад +19

    I live in a state where poker is not legal in a brick and mortar card room. We play free roll poker in our local brewpub and was asked to be a volunteer dealer. This video clears up some confusion both I and others had on the origin of the oversize chip and the first raise amount. Thank you.

  • @babysmakerz
    @babysmakerz Год назад +8

    I'm training in poker rn and u cleared up my whole misconception of improper raise so thank you

  • @krismahboobani8167
    @krismahboobani8167 6 лет назад +13

    Excellent Video on betting procedures. Great instructor!! Great school!!

  • @anthonydavis7555
    @anthonydavis7555 6 лет назад +4

    Good job Chris. Very informative.

  • @cooldawg2009
    @cooldawg2009 3 года назад +8

    Holy crap, cant believe I’ve been playing poker wrong for so long

  • @robynnedp943
    @robynnedp943 Год назад

    Thank you for a clear explanation on this issue.

  • @truepokerdealer
    @truepokerdealer 4 года назад +4

    Decent vid!

  • @jandebuyssere
    @jandebuyssere 6 месяцев назад +2

    at our home game we just keep it it simple and use the double it or go home rule! ;-)

  • @straight_flizzy
    @straight_flizzy 3 года назад +1

    This is so helpful!

  • @pablosanchaz9029
    @pablosanchaz9029 2 года назад

    This is a good video. 👍

  • @pwcrabb5766
    @pwcrabb5766 Год назад

    Thanks for the clarification

  • @DigitalAndInnovation
    @DigitalAndInnovation 3 года назад +7

    I must be missing something- the video is very well done and consistent within itself, but I am so lost about what the returning the chips and verbal communication would en tale. Ill try watching again- I appreciate such educational material on youtube. :)

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  3 года назад +5

      When faced with a bet, the next player puts too many chip forward to call the best he faces, but the additional chips are not at least 50% more than the current raise increment, then the additional chips will be pushed back to the player by the dealer and the dealer will simply announce, "CALL"

    • @DigitalAndInnovation
      @DigitalAndInnovation 3 года назад

      @@WestCoastDealingSchool Ahhh makes more sense!

  • @paulroos8658
    @paulroos8658 5 лет назад +9

    O man! Its murder, i have to laugh, u guys say how informative it is and i suppose it is, but its maddening. Im new to poker and am intrigued, im very eager to learn, but all i can do is fly by the seat of my pants.

  • @beeejack853
    @beeejack853 Месяц назад

    loud and clear 🎉

  • @AlissaAlissa563
    @AlissaAlissa563 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you ❤

  • @yordvandamme
    @yordvandamme 2 года назад

    Where can I find the video where there is more on string bets?

  • @Death-gate
    @Death-gate Месяц назад

    Thanks

  • @beeejack853
    @beeejack853 Месяц назад

    please let me know more about "out of turn" and "short call"

  • @WestCoastDealingSchool
    @WestCoastDealingSchool  3 года назад +1

    I will get to reply - I’m currently travelling back from London.

  • @awolf913
    @awolf913 3 года назад +4

    If a player is committed to making the minimum raise and he/she doesn’t have enough for a full minimum raise, are they forced to go all in?

  • @deecarlson3375
    @deecarlson3375 9 месяцев назад

    Ok Chris, obviously I need help betting.

  • @chan-pz5jz
    @chan-pz5jz 2 года назад +3

    I understand the min raise but is it still the same when it comes to the player after the big blind? Pre flop
    Let's say SB is 10, BB is 25, is the min raise for the player after the BB (utg) 50 or is it 40?

    • @tamvu9909
      @tamvu9909 2 года назад +1

      Base on the rules in the video, the difference between the BB and SM is 15, so I guess UTG should first call the BB (25) and then add in at least the increment (15), making it 40. I'm not sure if that's correct, pls correct me if I'm wrong.

    • @chan-pz5jz
      @chan-pz5jz 2 года назад +3

      @@tamvu9909 it actually is 50. First bet after BB is always double. Then min raise apply

    • @dorianderaj7591
      @dorianderaj7591 2 года назад

      the raise is always double the amonut of previous bet or more so if it is 25 it means next raise will be 50+

  • @jimc6144
    @jimc6144 5 лет назад +4

    So the big blind is $10. The 1st player raises it to $20. What is the minimum raise the next player must make if he chooses to do so.
    Thanks,
    Jim

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  5 лет назад +19

      Min raise after the first raise to $20 would be to $30. The raise increment did not change when it was raised from the BB of $10 to $20 by UTG. The raising increment is still $10 ( UTG's bet of $20 - the BB $10). So when considering raises you should think first a player must call the bet he faces to stay in the game and then add the raise increment on top. (For a min raise). Of course in NL a player may bet more than this.
      Lets assume UTG raises to $40. Now the raise increment has changed. The BB was $10 and the new bet is $40. The difference between the two is the new raise increment. ($30). So the next player to min raise would be calling the new bet of $40 and adding the new raise increment of $30 on top of this making a total bet of $70.

    • @jimc6144
      @jimc6144 5 лет назад

      @@WestCoastDealingSchool Thanks a bunch

    • @mathiasminoletti3496
      @mathiasminoletti3496 5 лет назад

      $30. Because the difference from the raisers $20 to previous better who is also the big blind of $10 is 10 so u add the difference of ten ontop of the last bet which was $20 equaling $30.

  • @user-lk3ee2we7u
    @user-lk3ee2we7u Год назад

    ❤❤❤

  • @brianlee1417
    @brianlee1417 3 года назад

    Does the 50% to be a Raise Rule apply to cash games as well assuming the player has enough chips does he have to complete the raise if his initial raise was at least 50%?

    • @brianlee1417
      @brianlee1417 3 года назад

      House Rules apply got it!

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  3 года назад +3

      All rules in poker should be applied across both Tournament and Cash platforms. However, in cash games we will be flexible with some of the rules. In cash the only players affected are those sitting at any given table at the time, their actions do not affect other tables like they might in Tournament play.
      So yes the 50% (of the current increment) additional chips rule still applies to the cash arena. But we cannot force a player to complete the raise if they argue that they didn't intend to make the raise. But the chips they have already wagered would remain in the pot should the player choose to fold the hand.

    • @brianlee1417
      @brianlee1417 3 года назад

      @@WestCoastDealingSchool Thank you for your informative answer! For limit hold'em let's say your dealing 3/6 limit on the flop player A bets $3, player B goes all in for $4 and player C wants to raise..would it be to $6 because you ignore player B's all in because its less than 50%?

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  3 года назад +2

      @@brianlee1417 Yes, with and initial bet of $3 ( on a $3 betting round) if the following player moves all-in for $4, the following player may raise, but only by completing the bet to "2 full bets" = $6.
      In limit poker, if an all in bet includes additional chips beyond the call amount which are less in value than 50% more; then the bet is still only considered one bet, and therefore a raise will complete the bet to two full bets.
      If, however an "all-in" bet has additional chips above the call amount equal to 50% or more (for example player two is all-in for $5); then this is already considered 2 bets (allbeit for less than what it should be - permitted only because the player is all-in) So the following player can call the "2 bets" of $5 and then raise by adding one full bet in addition. Therefore the "3 bets" raise amount will be $8.

  • @carolynmarshallmarshall4943
    @carolynmarshallmarshall4943 3 года назад

    I hope to play good

  • @Stefan-ct7rh
    @Stefan-ct7rh 4 года назад

    Assume that i m dealer and lets say that blinds are 200/400 and player who need to act first raise to 600..
    He must to put 200 more to complete 100%of BB becasue 600 is 50%or more of raise increment
    If he raise 500 on 200SB/400BB..100 will be returned to him because it is less than 50% of raise increment
    and the player would only be in a position to call? and btw do I always apply this rule when players make a mistake or is there some kind of warning?

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  4 года назад

      Your statement is correct..
      As for applying the rule if a player makes a mistake? At WSOP we enforce the rule because it is a major tournament.
      If your smaller local card room would rather apply a warning, that is up to them. But if another player insists that the 50% extra means the player should be forced to raise, then you should apply the rule - the other player is within his rights to insist on the raise being enforced.
      Remember by being “flexible” with rules, this just leads to a grey area which brings confusion to all involved. I would prefer to enforce all rules and educate your players as you go. Expensive mistakes will make them remember in the future and not do it again.

    • @Stefan-ct7rh
      @Stefan-ct7rh 4 года назад

      @@WestCoastDealingSchool m i as dealer apply this rules only if player just put his chips whitouth any verbel, physical react?

    • @dragosdalta4317
      @dragosdalta4317 3 года назад

      @West Coast Dealing School Is the small blind not considered as a bet for the pre-flop situation? I am a bit confused because by the 50 % rule, 600 can be considered a raise {400+(400-200)=600}. It would be correct only if small blind is not considered a bet and big blind a raise in this case... So then 600 would be a re raise... Or am I confusing smth ?

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  3 года назад

      @@dragosdalta4317 The small blind is not considered a bet for understanding the raise increment. Treat it as if it does not exist.

  • @jehanspeirs4107
    @jehanspeirs4107 5 лет назад

    Great video. Does the minimum raise carry on over the different rounds, e.i is the minimum raise at the river the same as the turn or does it reset?

    • @christidmarsh964
      @christidmarsh964 5 лет назад

      The minimum bet resets after each betting round is complete. The Big Blind value is used for No Limit, Pot Limit and Spread Limit. The betting limit is used for Limit betting structure games.

    • @jehanspeirs4107
      @jehanspeirs4107 5 лет назад

      @@christidmarsh964 Thanks!

    • @brunomaruca
      @brunomaruca 4 года назад

      Chris Tidmarsh does that mean that the first person to bet after flop, turn and river has to bet at least the value of the big blind?

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  4 года назад

      @@brunomaruca That is correct, after the flop, (Unless the player is "all in" for less)... However, if a player is "all in" for less, the raise increment still begins at the value of the BB. So, with blinds of 100/200, if a player moves "all in" for 125 the next player, should he wish to raise, must raise by the minimum which is currently set by the BB value , (200); so a total bet must be made of 325. How we should think about minimum raises is that a player must first call the best he faces (125) and add the raise increment on top of that amount (200) So 125+200 = 325. Of course this bet must be made in one action (or verbally declared) or it would be considered a string bet. String bets (multiple motions forward with chips) is not permitted in poker.

    • @brunomaruca
      @brunomaruca 4 года назад

      West Coast Dealing School super clear! Thank you very much!

  • @silly_man
    @silly_man Год назад

    If a player clearly says “call” and doesn’t have enough smaller denominations to call can they get away with an oversize chip infringement?

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  Год назад

      Whichever action comes first is always binding. So, if a player declares "call" before moving any chips forward as a bet, then that action is binding. It would not matter now if he put 20 x 1k chips forward, it would only be a call. This video example is explaining the consequences of a player making his/her action without first making any verbal declaration... Therefore the chips speak and the combination of chips determine whether there is a call or raise based on the explanation in the video.

  • @MrJamberee
    @MrJamberee 2 месяца назад

    If it could be either a call or a raise, it’s a call.

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  2 месяца назад

      It can never be one or the other. Just FYI. There is only one correct answer.

  • @axiontrainer7143
    @axiontrainer7143 4 года назад +3

    Is the minimum bet 2x the previous bet minus the bet before it? C= (2xB) - A?

    • @ozake26
      @ozake26 4 года назад +2

      Vırtual Greetıngs, Hope thıngs are goıngs well.
      A minimum raıse ıs the most recent raised amount plus the dıfference of the most recent raısed amount and the prevıous raıse. MRRA + (MRRA - PR).
      Say Player A bets 10$ , then Player B raıses; Player B's mınımum raıse must be at least 20$, and If Player B raısed to 20$, Player C's mınımum raıse does not have to be 40$ , but 30$
      Example 2 : the easıest tıme to find the mınımum raıse amount is when someone is raısıng on the orıgınal bet. Let’s say the orıgınal bet ıs $200. Let’s plug ın the formula. $100 + ($100 - 0) = $200. THAT’S when you know the mınımum raise will be double the amount. Now let’s try thıs out: Player 1 bets $100. Player 2 raıses to $450. If the next player wants to raise then the minimum raıse would be $450 + ($450 - $100) = $450 + $350 = $750. And that’s your mınımum raıse.
      Hope you got ıt. sorry for the late reply. thank you kındly for readıng and have a great month. stay safe and take good care of yourself.

    • @1994ramfan
      @1994ramfan 3 года назад +2

      @@ozake26 great comment but it's suppose to be $800 right. $350 raised amount plus $450

    • @babulalmarandi1243
      @babulalmarandi1243 3 года назад +1

      @@ozake26 800

    • @ozake26
      @ozake26 3 года назад

      @@1994ramfan Good morrow to you. Please explaın the situatıon you gave me.
      Say A bet 100
      B bet 250
      If C wanred to raıse, they need at least 400 { B raısed by 150; C need to raıse the last bet of 250 at least by 150 (meanıng 400) } Hope that explaıned ıt. Stay safe; take good care of yourself *ウィ~* Have a great fortnıght.

    • @ozake26
      @ozake26 3 года назад

      @@babulalmarandi1243 Good day to you. Whıch one was that, pray ?

  • @Empowerment_avenue750
    @Empowerment_avenue750 Год назад

    Does this only apply when the player doesn’t say that he wants to raise?

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  Год назад

      Yes - Verbal declarations are binding provided that the verbal declaration is the first action to occur. Whichever action comes first (Physical or verbal) will determine the action and if it be making a bet using only chips and no announcement, then the chips will determine the bet size based on the rules explained in the video.

    • @davidc6633
      @davidc6633 Год назад

      @@WestCoastDealingSchool ... Thank You . I Do Understand The Video, But I Must Say When I Was Learning Poker I Was Taught To Announce You Intentions.
      Call, Raise
      ( Fold Is Obvious, )
      ( Check Is Also Obvious )
      ( All In Is Obvious )

  • @artiehess7110
    @artiehess7110 3 года назад

    Help! Seat 1 bets $500. Seat 2 raises to $1,000. Seat 3 calls $1,000. Seat 4 calls $1,000. What is the minimum raise for Seat 5?

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  3 года назад +1

      The first bet on the felt sets the raise increment (whether it be the BB or the first bet made after the flop, for example...)
      The next player to act needs to call the bet they face (1000, for seat 5 in this case) to stay in the game; but if they wish to raise the minimum they must add a raising increment on top of the 1000.
      The increment at this point is 500, set by the first bet made;
      So call 1000 + 500 = 1500.
      Remember that if the first player who made it 1000 actually made it 1100, then the raise increment would have changed to 600 (new bet minus previous bet equals the new raise increment, provided this number is greater than the original raise increment of 500)
      1100 - 500 = 600
      So a minimum raise now would be:
      Call the 1100 + 600 = 1700
      ( it is not twice the bet you face, like many people think! So it is not 2200! The player could make it 2200, but this would set a new raise increment at 1100)

  • @SDallender
    @SDallender 3 года назад

    Just started learning this with my kids 11 and 15. When she is last to bet in a round, my 11 year old will raise.....can she? What needs to happen then in the next round? Also, if betting after the river, the first player to act bets and the only other player wants to raise, can they? And what must the other player then do?

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  3 года назад

      In all betting rounds, a player who is yet to act always has the option to raise (providing they have sufficient chips). There is a minimum amount they must raise by and this is set by the “raise increment”. Pre-Flop, the raise increment is set initially by the value of the Big Blind or, if someone during that round has already raised, then the increment may have been increased. This would be determined by the new bet minus the previous bet. If this gives a greater value than the BB then this will be the new raising increment.
      For example: if the BB was 200, then the first player to raise must raise to a minimum of 400. That would be a call of the BB and adding the increment value to this 200+200=400.
      However, if the BB was 200 and the next player made a bet of 500. The increment has now been increased to 300. (500-200=300) what this means is that the next player to raise must at least make the bet 800. That’s a call of the 500 plus the new increment of 300 making a total of 800 (the increment is still at 300 at this point).
      So yes, your player can always raise if they have yet to act, but they are restricted to the minimum they must add to make a legal raise. Depending on the betting structure you are playing with, there will also be restriction on the maximum a player might raise. (In No-Limit Hold’em, however, there is no restriction to the maximum - that is simply restricted by how many chips a player may have on the table).
      In all betting rounds after the flop; the first bet will set the raise increment. It should be at least equal to that of the Big blind, but it may be more. It also might be less if a player is all-in for less than a BB. However, the raise increment should always be at least the value of the BB if the first player to act makes a bet “all-in” less than the BB value.

  • @TrungNguyen-lx3lx
    @TrungNguyen-lx3lx 2 года назад

    Hi. I have a problem when play only 2person. How to deal and who act 1st in each round

    • @christidmarsh8945
      @christidmarsh8945 2 года назад

      When only two players wish to compete: The player on the dealer button is the small blind, the other player is the BB. The dealer will deal to the Big Blind first and the small blind receives the last card. On the first betting round, the player in the small blind (button) will act first. If there is no raise, then the BB will have that option. Once the first betting round is complete, the action begins with the BB and the button gets last action just like in a multi-player game.
      I hope this clears up any confusion.
      Chris.

    • @TrungNguyen-lx3lx
      @TrungNguyen-lx3lx 2 года назад

      @@christidmarsh8945 thanks u so much. I've just found that it's call "head's up".

  • @jimc6144
    @jimc6144 5 лет назад +1

    If a player folds, should his chips placed in the pot at that time?

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  5 лет назад +1

      Yes. Always collect money from a player who folds immediately.
      We have a saying in training... “ dead cards, dead money...” that’s the collection order.

    • @jimc6144
      @jimc6144 5 лет назад

      @@WestCoastDealingSchool But what if you have an all-in and a fold? What happens with the folding players chips. Are they part of the all-in/sidepot scenario?

    • @christidmarsh8945
      @christidmarsh8945 5 лет назад

      @@jimc6144 The folded players chips will go into the live, working pot at the time of the fold. This will be the side pot if that is the pot that is currently live. Remember you could have multiple side pots, but there is only one live side pot and that is the latest one. All chips collected from the players that remain in the hand will be added to this pot, whether they are from a player folding or from players still live in the hand.

  • @MC-qm5jn
    @MC-qm5jn 2 года назад +1

    I’m so confused why did he raise 1200 to 2400 when that’s 100% and not just 50%

    • @nick191088
      @nick191088 2 года назад +1

      I think it means basically just throw out chips roughly what you need without counting, and the dealer will give back excess chips to call if it’s under 50% extra or tell you a value you need to raise if it’s over 50% with raise value being equal to the last raise.

  • @ozake26
    @ozake26 2 года назад +1

    9:20 If the raıse was by 600 (50%) why are you forcıng the player to make ıt 100% (1200)?

    • @WestCoastDealingSchool
      @WestCoastDealingSchool  Год назад +1

      There is a rule in poker. If a bet 50% in size greater than the previous betting/raising increment is added to the call amount, then a player is forced to complete the raise. (Assuming no verbal declaration was made.)

    • @ozake26
      @ozake26 Год назад

      @@WestCoastDealingSchool Thank you kındly. Take good care of yourself. Stay safe. Have a great week.

    • @ozake26
      @ozake26 Год назад

      @@WestCoastDealingSchool Sır, try and gıve me an example here.
      Thank you kındly ın advance.

    • @ozake26
      @ozake26 Год назад

      @@WestCoastDealingSchool Unless here you meant "ıs NOT 50% greater"
      Sınce you saıd that the player wıll be forced to complete the raıse-ıf the raıse was 50% hıgher than the bet, then he does not need to complete ıt.

  • @Techist_US
    @Techist_US Год назад +1

    I've never been more confused. sorry.

  • @1994ramfan
    @1994ramfan 3 года назад +2

    Man, I have to use this is a game to mess with the beginner's and throw them off

  • @manicorganic86
    @manicorganic86 3 месяца назад

    I dont like the "might consider this bet a raise" as its clearly a raise.

    • @christidmarsh964
      @christidmarsh964 3 месяца назад

      You might want to watch the video again and listen to the detail provided? It appears you may have overlooked a vital part of the explanation?
      Good luck!

  • @paulroos8658
    @paulroos8658 5 лет назад +2

    Why do u say u only have one chip?? U got 3 stacks,

  • @ggdoll9617
    @ggdoll9617 Год назад

    This video is confusing your saying 50% but taking 100% huh

  • @paulroos8658
    @paulroos8658 5 лет назад +2

    U guys heard of dyslexia? I have dysgraphia. Totally lost. Not trying to brag, but by way of demonstrating how frustrating this can be, ive been tested out at 127 IQ

    • @koopspook
      @koopspook 4 года назад

      Paul Roos made progress yet

    • @brianlee1417
      @brianlee1417 4 года назад +1

      The instructor's accent doesn't help things either.

  • @hillierutopia4554
    @hillierutopia4554 Год назад

    Way too many worda