Delta Airbus A320 Almost RUN OUT OF FUEL during an emergency at JFK Airport. REAL ATC
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2024
- On May 31, 2024.
A Delta Air Lines Airbus A320-211 registration N320US, performing flight DAL1166 from Austin-Bergstrom International Airport (KAUS) to New York John F. Kennedy International Airport(KJFK) being on final at Kennedy Airport reported flight control issue, declared an emergency and requested delay vectors in the area to work out the problem. While there were running through the checklist the flight crew declared minimum fuel and requested landing at Kennedy Airport.
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This crew landed safely after declaring nearing the destination, landed and rolled out safely, exiting on a suitable taxiway. I'd call this a good job. Now, it is possible to deconstruct this and with hindsight analyze it, finding a few in-flight planning improvements. But in reality, no flight crew is expecting to have an unusual flight control problem occur seemingly out of nowhere! Sometimes the rare problem can appear at random, and then the crew has to make everything good. This flight crew did great. I will add (as a male FI with 25 yrs of experience) that female pilots have it hard. They are second guessed by men and end up proving themselves every time they put on the uniform, and they know it. I'd feel very safe flying in the back with this crew up front.
The emergency was NOTHING about min fuel, it just so happened they hit min fuel while dealing with the actual problem (slats malfunction)
Didn’t know there were so many airline pilot in this comment section.. lol
As a non-pilot, non-ATC, I thought everyone did a good job and got that plane on the ground safely.
Flying is a numbers game. Flight time experience numbers needed. Allowable duty time number. Seniority number controls career. Passenger seats number/aircraft weight determines pay. The more hours flown the more chance having to deal with a broken airplane.
Good, clear communication from both pilots and controllers.
lol
A bit surprising for anyone but Kennedy Steve at JFK.
They told ATC they had 5400 hundred pounds of fuel (805 gals) and that is about 1 hour fuel at that altitude. A320 onboard low fuel warning system alerts when a tank gets down 750kg and the two tanks would mean 1500 kg remaining and AB budgets 1200 kg for 30 minutes flying at 1500 feet.
Company minimum is 4500. Thats without flight control issues.
They ask for amount of fuel for ARFF reasons not for time aloft reasons.
@@Boodieman72I think his point was that they were nearing min fuel callout anyways, if they had to accept delay vectors and do all the checklist items for a while.
Considering that minimum fuel requirements are 45 minutes of cruise flight after fuel required for destination plus alternate I'd say they were probably exact or late calling minimum fuel based on your calculation
Declaring minimum fuel means ... no delay. A flight control issue sometimes requires analysis in order to determine aircraft performance. Airbus has a long system checklist and troubleshooting procedures. Boeing has a shorter checklist. Pilots must perform the correct PDMP as well as proper CRM in order to ensure securing the emergency. Also SOPs and company procedures also has a hand in the game.
An emergency aircraft does not really require a minimum fuel declaration. In my opinion declaring an emergency is a priority in itself. However, the crew after declaring the emergency has full authority to deviate from any rule until the emergency is under control and met with the intentions of securing the aircart and its occupants. Good job Delta Crew.
Fun exercise: 1. Read the comments. 2. assume how many of the "sim top guns" are just have an issue because it is a female crew. 3. when in doubled, listen to some of the most outrages ATC calls where a male crew almost get everybody killed and then read the comments: compare.
Guys, it is 2024. A pilot at Delta is a million more times qualified then any of you; Get over it: woman are allowed to fly big planes and any person who has qualified for this job deserves the same respect. duh.
and you know what the qualifications of folks are how? Been doing this for 23 plus years.
@@FlySafe1000 simple: if you hate on a person based on gender/race/religion, you obviously are not qualified, duh. Or do you want to make an argument that female pilots are less qualified then men? I am just asking to be sure who i am talking with 🙂
Good grief, just let them run the bloody checklist!
I believe the time frame is substantially sped up on these
Min fuel is not “almost out of fuel”…
Can't believe all these comments about DEI and such, had there been two male pilots saying exactly the same things as the female pilots said, the comment section would've been filled up with praise about how great the pilots and the communication was. They handled it safely, ran through the required checklists, didn't hesitate to declare an emergency while also declaring min fuel, and got the airplane safely down on the ground. Fox News truly are rotting people's minds. Incredible.
But it wasn’t. I am in the industry, this is embarrassing.
@@FlySafe1000What wasn’t?
100% agree
I concur. Then again, I'm not in the industry, so things that sound fine to me may not be accurate to those in the know.
Not bad for a Fox News viewer....😉
I can. These joystick cowboys can barely adjust their pants, let alone something like this situation. This was handled damn well by all. Go back to your video games, waanabees.
"One departure prior to your arrival' in a *min fuel* situation. wt F?!! That's playing dice with the lives of all aboard Delta.
Sorry, that's a false analogy. A rejected takeoff puts Delta in a dire situation. Not yet fatal, but it significantly worse than they're already in. I don't have numbers for RTO rates, but let's say it's 0.1%. Not worth the risk IMHO.
Handled pretty routinely and well done by the crew here. Suck part is getting the slat issue near the end of the flight. Airliners don't often tanker alot of extra fuel for no reason, so they often have the required legal amount plus some. When an emergency happens near the end of the flight, there's not always a ton of time to work it, so its logical they might get near the amount of fuel deemed "minimum fuel" in Delta's FOM. The min fuel call and the emergency declaration are two separate situations. Is this situation some added workload? Of course, as its an emergency procedure that needs to be ran. But the crew did fine flying the aircraft, managing the emergency, keeping ATC informed, and recovering the airplane to a safe landing.
To the sim and ga pilots with your opinions about how you could do better, I highly doubt it. They did just fine, fo included. You most likely have no idea what a slat fault qrh looks like. Its long. So you're trying to fly, talk, diagnose, follow, not screw up a long procedure, talk to pax/dx/mx/fa's/atc... All in the craziest airspace on earth.
Go pound sand if you have criticism of this crew.
Yep, and they don’t have an Airbus cockpit staring back at them, 100x more controls and systems to deal with, 167 souls to be responsible for, plus the harbor, buildings, and other potential crash landings to worry about. That’s the additional pucker factors that make this much more than what sims and GA provide.
while they were imagining what will be, unburdened by what was; they forget to check the fuel gauge
Strong in this comment session misogyny and ageism are.
I honestly think most...not all ..men only like or tolerate women when it's time to do something "domestic". And even then we never get respect.
For real!
Those men are no doubt part of the incel movement.
Go back to "The View", I think it's on right now.
@@alouettedemer5366 Learn Russian
Who types the text for these videos?. There are mistakes from what I've seen on nearly every video. At 02:25 She says we'll probably be INBOUND to land not be about to land. Seems obvious to me. Pedantic perhaps but when it's clear and obvious what was said why type something else?
'Almost run out of fuel' in the title is just pure clickbait
Nice job ladies well done❤
min fuel means still fuel for 45 mins holding and fuel to alternate left, so almost out of fuel is a bit of exaggeration
Thank you for this clarification. A newbie here with no experience in flying.
Min fuel means minimum fuel as defined by your company. You are thinking about alternate fuel maybe?
The video's title is definitely misleading. Or written by somebody who didn't understand the situation.
@@Antonio-lt1sp agree. But vatsim normally does fairly well
Min fuel is a statement that alerts Atc they can’t accept any delays. If atc does give delays, a fuel emergency would be declared.
By a strange deus ex machina intervention DL1166 suddenly found itself on short final for 31L. Good CRM, as the pilots were deeply involved with JFK approach radio communication the cabin crew was going thru the ck list with the slats anamoly since passengers in 19A and 19F were able to cross refernence a symetrical positioning and No anamoly with the slats. Wow, that was a close one!!!
I have a question if you have s flight control issue and your at 2000 feet. You intercept the localizer at around 3000 feet. Since you have a flight control issue why would you not climb in altitude just in case there are "more suprises" it would give you more space for manuvering? Not an fast climb, just maybe up to 5000 or 6000 feet.
If the aircraft is stabilized (they ran the checklists), I don't see why.
Positive control of airspace , not like idiots on the freeway
It’s an Airbus, it’s just letting them know what’s happening and has taken appropriate action lol. Not like the slats are going to randomly runaway in a disagree and cause a fatal bank angle or something. Planes don’t do things like that.
Oh wait, Boeing just offered to hold my beer.
@@EstorilEm Look up Qantas Flight 72 before you bet against control parameters on Airbus randomly running away, taking over the aircraft, "or something". And, by the way, the incident involved an AIRBUS 330-300 series. Flight 72 wasn't the only incident and they never grounded the aircraft. Don't kid yourself; that normal law/direct law system is far from fail safe.
They declared emergency as thed hot a flap problem plus they said thed got minimal fuel they could have had less than that combined with flap issues well it was at keast a pan Pan pan i guess they calculate fuel needed but if thed been issses in air it was proberly pushing it
Pretty low to orbit with Control issue
Over an hour of fuel left at the point they said they were running low. Way too much talking.
" We need the Long final for... to configure the slats thing " " the slats thing " Is exactly where you see them nearly become task saturated.
I mean everyone gone back ok and thats all that matters.
Yes the CRM worked for this issue. But I feel one more fault would have overloaded them.
Early on I got overloaded like this in the sims and it can only take one more minor thing to make the house of cards fall. Or worse still become task saturated to the point where you loose awareness. And at 2000 feet you don't have much thinking time to correct much.
Had a similar fault happen to me when I had about 400 or so hours. luckily I was flying with a very experienced Captain.
She just calmly told me to slow down and work the problem. Simple advice but it worked. Ive tried to keep that same kind of attitude since then.
Ready for the hate comments but I really don't care. It's an accurate observation, they were on the edge.
“Who’s driving this car…..Stevie Wonder?” John Mclain, Die Hard 😂😂🤣
Exaggerated headline-again. The aircraft did NOT "Almost RUN OUT OF FUEL". Minimum fuel, reserve, emergency fuel--different conditions, different definitions, different situations. The "emergency" declaration had nothing whatsoever to do with fuel state.
Good job by the aircrew and ATC--professional by all.
Jfk is a rough airport since there's so much traffic landing and taking off, all the time.
Intense situation to be in. Nicely handled by everyone!
Not really, the fuel was a bigger issue than the slat problem (I’m assuming disagree)
@@EstorilEm the fuel problem is included in the "situation" ;)
I'm surprised a stat issue is a long check list, put the flaps down and land
Didn’t they mention they had a flaps fault? That either they couldn’t deploy them fully, or had trouble extending and retracting to get in approach, glide, and landing configurations?
@@barty8980they mentioned the flaps were fine, but the slats wouldn’t extend.
Can anyone tell me why they still have departures going out in front of an emergency aircraft low on fuel?? If they have to reject and cause a go around……
Good old fashioned greed. Maximizing air traffic for more profits
It's not really easy to tell how far behind the departing aircraft they were, and it wasn't mentioned. There may just have been plenty of space between them and time to exit the runway, we can't tell just from these coms. These ATC visualizations accelerate and slow down time throughout the whole video, just because they landed seconds after the departure mention in this video doesn't mean it was tight IRL.
@@gerardm.5047lmao ATC makes no money and airlines make only a little.
Why not? It’s not like the emergency aircraft is going to land with a tailwind on the wrong runway.
The two things have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with each other, they were required to declare an emergency due to it being a “flight control issue” - it’s purely by the book. No need to cost airlines tens of thousands in fuel and rebookings while stranding and screwing over a few hundred passengers if it has absolutely no impact on the emergency aircraft.
Here’s what happens if the emergency aircraft has to skip the checklists and come in immediately. “Southwest 1901 cancel takeoff clearance, exit runway via Kilo one and contact ground 1xx.xx.”
Wow, the horror. 🙄
Oh, FFS fuel minimum is not an emergency, doesn't mean the aircraft is out of fuel. The emergency was the slat issue; the other thing was an appropriate piece of info for ATC, letting them know that they were at their minimum reserve level--plenty of fuel for a missed approach and go around, but not enough to safely divert to Boston, for example.
When is Airbus just going to let the airplanes perform the checklist items and configure the plane operate? They have been flying an A350-1000 for years not needing pilot inputs. Taxi, take off, fly, land, and taxi autonomously.
Right, so shouldn’t the Airbus aircraft been able to detect its own flaps fault, and then fix it inflight too? Once a fault exists, other complications can come up and I’ll be darned to trust a computer or AI to fly the aircraft while figuring things out.
Sounds like an an all female flight crew, not that that matters, they did an impressive job and CRM was noticeable.
"The slats ... thing." 😆
"We need...for the slats thing." OMG. If she was Bahamian maybe she would use the more colorful words slats tingum. The old fashion way of saying it more like for the slats failure, check list,or slat malfunction. At least we didn't hear an airline pilot say "the slats thingy."
Come on, at least it wasn't "thingy".
7:33 man, I question the direction of the nation. This is like a bad comedy sketch.
A bit over critical, I work in tech and do this, it sounded to me like she was about to go into a lot of detail and realised ATC didn't need to know all that.
Good job, well executed
That was a well-handled "flight control emergency landing" on a trip with Legal Minimum Fuel Loads as carried routinely by most every airliner on a good weather day. In these conditions there is never any 'extra' fuel beyond the bare requirements, as calculated by airline accountants trying to meet public demands for the Cheapest Possible Ticket. Just sayin' ...
Planes have reserve fuel so they are a long way from running out of fuel.
They still have to declare “min fuel” and “fuel emergency” based on specific numbers, just going by the book - doesn’t mean anyone is saying they’re going to fall out of the sky.
Is there one person in charge on that plane or is fly by committee and make it up as you go?
Speaking as a captain, typically fo flys and talks and captain handles the malfunction. But, if fo is constantly looking to captain for the answer to atc questions, sometimes its just easier to key the mic yourself. Lower voiced woman is the captain.
“One person in charge” has killed a lot of people.
Shitty CRM. 🫤 Usually low hour pilots (they sound young) are by the book and recall their training very well. It’s counter-intuitive, but thats what the studies show. I’m not exactly sure what’s going on here…
This event was handled very well by these two pilots.
The pilot handling most of the comms sounds hot
You need to take a cold bath.
I think I have heard that voice before. Was she the junior agent on Frasier? Or Allen Harper's receptionist and Charley's squeeze?
Should JFK be shut down ?
I think you need to elaborate…
Junior First Officer. That's ok. We were all young.
The kids even have ATC confused. Inside the fix, at the fix, outside the fix? Selection and training has changed at Delta.
🤫 you can’t say that…it must be diverse and welcoming. Only the best pilots right??? 🤔🤢😂
I bet you are younger than them. If not you should act your age.
To much Voice from both sides.
The one pilot sounds very unsure of themselves.
“Do you still need to run through your long checklist with Approach?”
*completely ignores question*
Also tired of American pilots not using standard phraseology.
They probably had the comms turned low. There's a lot happening so one or two missed calls is bound to happen
There’s 10x more commercial aviation activity / airports / routes in the US than most other countries combined, that phraseology was also created with the US aviation system / ATC so… cool your jets there (I’m guessing yours a Brit lol.)
I swear the pilots sound like a couple of teenagers.
I was thinking the same thing.
They obviously have their vocal fry endorsement though.
You sound like a smelly teenager who should be doing their homework instead.
I thought Delta had the highest standard of pilot selection. The PM sounds like a student pilot. Kudos to the PF or whoever talked less.
Every airline says that lol, United seems to have the highest time crews, but statistically they’re all probably similar. There is a massive pilot shortage currently - airlines are literally building “universities” to train pilots and crew, even paying for full tuition through PPL to ATP, it’s crazy.
Both pilots did perfectly well on this.
I hate when pilots get lazy and fade and mumble near the end of transmissions. I can't recall in 40 years ATC ever doing it and controllers talk a lot more each shift than a pilot.
It sounds like Delta is hiring sub standard pilots like United is.
What about this sounds sub standard?
Nope
Because their slats stopped working? Do you know what a pilot...is? lol
this just sounds so fake.
??
I don't want my pilots to sound like this.
What are you talking about? You want them to sound like baboons? Now you're judging people by the sound of their voices? They did their jobs.
5,400 lbs of fuel and then they are emergency fuel??? Sounds like these Delta pilots do not deserve to fly people at all.
It is not a fuel emergency. It is a flight control emergency (slats).
Read the comments, min fuel is about 1 hour holding at the final destination. They didn't declare for fuel, they declared for slats.
They didn’t say “emergency fuel,” they said “min fuel.” You’re making things up.
I don't think either of them are over the age of 15...
How, exactly, are you determining age from a few, less than clear, VFR radio transmissions? Specially calibrated ear transplant? And your perception of their ages is relevant to their capabilities as pilots, HOW?
Poor cockpit resource management and unnecessary
What could go wrong with 2 DEi hires. She ask for vectors; ok vectors to where? New Zealand. Define the vectors or enter holding at a reporting point. Then define the lengths. She kept saying vectors,WTF does that mean?
Ok, just think about it for a minute. If you could hear these transmissions between the two female pilots and ATC while you were on this flight you can't tell me that this wouldn't bring up a serious thought of pilot competency. These two are CLEARLY not Capt Sullivan.
90% of pilots could have done what sully did and the other 10% would have made it back to LGA.
@@qwerty112311 You are wrong. Many would have crashed.
@@qwerty112311 You are clearly not a pilot.
These two pilots did a great job actually.
DEI hire.
Another idiot on this thread.
Hello bigot.
Hey, Capt.... why don't we just keep running this problem until we run completely out of fuel! Pft... DEI is SAD!!!!!! How's your lipstick look?
They weren't going to completely run out of fuel. They've met their qualifications or they wouldn't be there. Put your judgemental misogyny away.
@@327Erich 40 years with a major, front row seat. No judging, just FACT.
@@Beav8172 I'm not judging either when I say you are a complete loser. Only losers say the kind of crap you are saying. FACT.
2 DEI Hires that would probably panic when the Microwave goes off.
Yet, they landed the aircraft safely. Could you?
They are more qualified than you…
I think you are a bit jumpy and probably panic when someone says "Hello" to you.
how did they arrive with 5400 pounds of fuel going into JFK? Where is the alternate fuel and extra gas? This was a Cluster .. mess that fortunately ended up being a good ending.
Why do they need alt fuel?
No Alternate IFR flight plan. Routine 'good weather' situation as flown by every airline.