Great video 👍. I've heard about the Timney trigger reset issues as well. Even though you mention the short take-up before the wall, do you still feel that you can prep the trigger in order to make a conscious decision to break a shot? Or, no, it's just simply too easy to break right through the wall and run the gun fast? Ever heard of or experienced yourself the Timney being finicky and not consistent? Any issues with Glock tolerances or having to shave off some of the polymer frame to get trigger kit parts to fit and run? How many rounds through this trigger setup? Aside from preference issues, any reliability issues/malfunctions? Any light primer strikes (not attributed to ammo)? Any initial break-in period to allow the trigger kit parts to "settle"? Heard other trigger kits like Glock Performance Triggers require a cleaning and lubing frequency--do you have to regularly clean and lube your trigger setup for it to run properly? Heard about or experienced yourself any specific safety issues with Timney triggers? I've heard the Johnny Glocks Timney Combat Conversion Kit makes the Timney safe. Have you tried or considered this kit? Any drop safety concerns? Have you dropped this setup w/a chambered round before? Tried Apex, Overwatch, or Glock Performance triggers? If so, how do they compare to this setup? Does this setup give you the fastest splits and/or accuracy at distance? Ever shot an Apex'd M&P trigger? If so, you feel like this glock trigger setup can shoot just as accurately at distance or has as fast splits? Considering a glock radian ramjet by chance? Do you believe glock's 22 degree grip angle (as opposed to other guns' 18 degree angle) aids in recoil mitigation by allowing one to lock their wrists out more easily? If not, are there any benefits to their unique grip angle?
Wow! Lots of good questions here, I will do my best to answer them all for ya! The take up is adjustable and I do have it short, however there is definitely a defined wall that you have to break through to fire a shot. I have the take up shorter than what I would if this were a duty weapon, but the nice part is that it’s adjustable. The wall is strong and you can absolutely hold the trigger on that wall and disengage if needed. It’s still a two stage trigger that disengages internal safeties, its going to have a pretty defined wall no matter what you do to it, its just a little easier to break through and a lot smoother. I have heard that Timney’s can be finicky, and I personally would never run the Timney is straight out of the box because of the reset. That being said, the trigger kit they sell is very nice, well made for the Glock Gen5 at least, however I have not experienced any other of their Glock triggers, so I can’t really comment on other generations. This is the one that Midway sells, so I am not sure if that is better or worse for Timney. I also would never pay the full price for one, I paid $100 I think and that’s about the max I think this kit is worth considering everything. Glocks do have varying tolerances however when it comes to the trigger mechanism, it’s not a huge factor in terms of parts. There is a tolerance spec and aftermarket parts usually always fall within those variances from a reputable company. As you can see in the video, no shaving was done. If you have to shave the frame to make a trigger work, a lot of the time that is either an installation issue or the trigger is not set up correctly. I would never shave that polymer because that is where the trigger safety indexes. I have about 650 rounds so far on this setup, and will either keep going on this or pull the trigger and put it in a Glock 34 MOS I have yet to shoot. I am going to do a Glock build, I am just not sure which one I want to build up yet. This G17 has some sentimental value to me, so I may end up reverting to stock and just keeping it as is. There was absolutely no break in time for me, it worked the second I got this thing set up. There’s not a lot of parts that have to “settle” into place if you did the install correctly, so no worries there. I have not had any light strikes on varying ammo (blazer brass, federal practice and carry ammo, hornady, fiocchi, or Winchester valor. I have heard about the maintenance of the Glock Performance trigger however I don’t really think it’s necessary. If you want any Glock trigger to run at peak performance, you need to be doing that maintenance at least where there is rubbing on the parts, like in the rear. I haven’t cleaned this at all, just lubed it when I did the install. I did actually pull things apart for the video and lubed it again but other than that, nothing. I have no safety issues and the firearm is drop safe. Johnny Glocks actually did a video with this exact setup dropping the weapon from a ladder in his shop to show it is drop safe. I have no concerns with this trigger. Glocks are pretty safe by design already. JG does make a combat conversion that you can get instead of just the VEX kit. If you are going this route, I think it’s great but I would also just say buy the full Johnny Glocks trigger. The reason you want to buy the Timney is the very light pull (mine is around 3-4 pounds, lighter than my Prodigy Comp stock trigger) and the duty kit makes it pull heavier. The Timney has an insanely crisp break to it which is another huge benefit. It’s hard to explain but it’s just like cracking glass every time. No drop safety concerns. It’s been tested, and I have no concerns of any kind of safety issues. I have tried and Overwatch trigger personally, as well as the Glock Performance. The apex has terrible reviews for the Glock, even worse than the stock Timney, so I didn’t even bother. The Overwatch was really good, the break and pull weight just wasn’t what I was looking for though. The break still had some hang ups when you were pulling through the wall. The Glock Performance trigger is fine. It’s like a Glock trigger that is well broken in. I have a lot of rounds through this G17, and it’s on its second barrel. The first was replaced around 15k rounds. I liked the Glock Performance trigger and for people like cops, armed guards, etc that have some lateral freedom to customize duty weapons, this trigger is perfect, I wouldn’t change it. If you are looking for the most performance, it’s not the best option, especially for the price. One my shooting buddies has a Smith and Wesson Performance, I can’t remember the exact model name but it is the 5in M&P, It’s like the Competition I think. It has an Apex and that thing is a sweet shooter. It’s a great trigger but it’s not comparable because the mechanisms in a Glock are very different with how it disengages internal safeties etc. This trigger is very very accurate at longer distances. The short break and lighter weight of pull is very complimentary to this. There’s a lot of variance in time splits if you are shooting competition, such as the firearm behavior, how quickly you can process targets and how well you can get the sights back on target. A good trigger will always give you faster splits if you are already proficient with the stock firearm. I can shoot this Glock significantly faster and more accurately with this setup. I have a ramjet on my Sig P365 and swear by it! I have a video on that build on my channel but for this Glock, no but only because I don’t want two Glocks at 34 length. If you are looking at one for yourself though, buy it. Without going on a tangent, yes it works, yes it works well, yes you will see a decent difference, no I wouldn’t sell mine for even the full price I paid. I would get one without hesitation any day of the week if you are looking for probably the most noticeable difference you can do to a modern handgun aside from a trigger. The dreaded grip angle question! It’s hard to say really. There are USPSA grandmasters with Glocks, sigs, smith and wessons, staccatos, atlases, full on open guns, and they all are proficient. I also know that if you gave me a Nighthawk and gave those guys a hi point, they would demolish me in any stage, any scenario under any circumstance. There is no replacement for repetition and skill. I personally do not love the grip angle of the Glock. It does force you to activate your wrists, but it’s also not always intuitive when pointing and presenting. I am used to it, but much prefer to shoot things with a 1911 grip angle or even less. My carry guns is a P365 with an Icarus Precision grip module, I love that angle more than anything else I have tried. As I have shot more, I care less about muzzle rise and care more about how fast I can get my sights back on target. I like Ben Stoeger’s theory and technique where he doesn’t give a shit about the muzzle flipping as long as the sights are going back to the same place every time. Obviously, you gotta grip the gun and engage your wrists/forearms, but it’s not as big of a deal as some people make it out to be. I think that the Glock grip angle can be uncomfortable but can be used to show new shooters the part of the arms and wrists that need to have some tension to them. I just think that there are better options that have more benefits. Mostly, it’s whats comfortable to the user over anything else. I hope my answers are acceptable here! Let me know if you have any more and I will do my best!
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Hey congratulations! I have had a couple 1911’s, I think every collection deserves one. You can’t beat the grip angle or trigger in them when comparing to a Glock or other striker fire. I have had multiple Staccato’s but recently got a Springfield Prodigy, a double stack 1911 and will have a video this week about my experiences with it, so definitely subscribe if you want to see that!
That’s a great question! So I’ve seen videos where people convert Glock triggers for the PSA Dagger, I’d recommend looking into that first to see how you might have to modify it. Timney makes the alpha kit for multiple generations, and the vex kit is just a spring and trigger shoe so it might work! Look up The Nate Take on here, he has a video on it!
Very informative 👍🏼
Glad it was helpful!
Great video 👍. I've heard about the Timney trigger reset issues as well.
Even though you mention the short take-up before the wall, do you still feel that you can prep the trigger in order to make a conscious decision to break a shot? Or, no, it's just simply too easy to break right through the wall and run the gun fast?
Ever heard of or experienced yourself the Timney being finicky and not consistent?
Any issues with Glock tolerances or having to shave off some of the polymer frame to get trigger kit parts to fit and run?
How many rounds through this trigger setup? Aside from preference issues, any reliability issues/malfunctions? Any light primer strikes (not attributed to ammo)? Any initial break-in period to allow the trigger kit parts to "settle"?
Heard other trigger kits like Glock Performance Triggers require a cleaning and lubing frequency--do you have to regularly clean and lube your trigger setup for it to run properly?
Heard about or experienced yourself any specific safety issues with Timney triggers?
I've heard the Johnny Glocks Timney Combat Conversion Kit makes the Timney safe. Have you tried or considered this kit?
Any drop safety concerns? Have you dropped this setup w/a chambered round before?
Tried Apex, Overwatch, or Glock Performance triggers? If so, how do they compare to this setup? Does this setup give you the fastest splits and/or accuracy at distance?
Ever shot an Apex'd M&P trigger? If so, you feel like this glock trigger setup can shoot just as accurately at distance or has as fast splits?
Considering a glock radian ramjet by chance?
Do you believe glock's 22 degree grip angle (as opposed to other guns' 18 degree angle) aids in recoil mitigation by allowing one to lock their wrists out more easily? If not, are there any benefits to their unique grip angle?
Wow! Lots of good questions here, I will do my best to answer them all for ya!
The take up is adjustable and I do have it short, however there is definitely a defined wall that you have to break through to fire a shot. I have the take up shorter than what I would if this were a duty weapon, but the nice part is that it’s adjustable. The wall is strong and you can absolutely hold the trigger on that wall and disengage if needed. It’s still a two stage trigger that disengages internal safeties, its going to have a pretty defined wall no matter what you do to it, its just a little easier to break through and a lot smoother.
I have heard that Timney’s can be finicky, and I personally would never run the Timney is straight out of the box because of the reset. That being said, the trigger kit they sell is very nice, well made for the Glock Gen5 at least, however I have not experienced any other of their Glock triggers, so I can’t really comment on other generations. This is the one that Midway sells, so I am not sure if that is better or worse for Timney. I also would never pay the full price for one, I paid $100 I think and that’s about the max I think this kit is worth considering everything.
Glocks do have varying tolerances however when it comes to the trigger mechanism, it’s not a huge factor in terms of parts. There is a tolerance spec and aftermarket parts usually always fall within those variances from a reputable company. As you can see in the video, no shaving was done. If you have to shave the frame to make a trigger work, a lot of the time that is either an installation issue or the trigger is not set up correctly. I would never shave that polymer because that is where the trigger safety indexes.
I have about 650 rounds so far on this setup, and will either keep going on this or pull the trigger and put it in a Glock 34 MOS I have yet to shoot. I am going to do a Glock build, I am just not sure which one I want to build up yet. This G17 has some sentimental value to me, so I may end up reverting to stock and just keeping it as is. There was absolutely no break in time for me, it worked the second I got this thing set up. There’s not a lot of parts that have to “settle” into place if you did the install correctly, so no worries there. I have not had any light strikes on varying ammo (blazer brass, federal practice and carry ammo, hornady, fiocchi, or Winchester valor.
I have heard about the maintenance of the Glock Performance trigger however I don’t really think it’s necessary. If you want any Glock trigger to run at peak performance, you need to be doing that maintenance at least where there is rubbing on the parts, like in the rear. I haven’t cleaned this at all, just lubed it when I did the install. I did actually pull things apart for the video and lubed it again but other than that, nothing.
I have no safety issues and the firearm is drop safe. Johnny Glocks actually did a video with this exact setup dropping the weapon from a ladder in his shop to show it is drop safe. I have no concerns with this trigger. Glocks are pretty safe by design already.
JG does make a combat conversion that you can get instead of just the VEX kit. If you are going this route, I think it’s great but I would also just say buy the full Johnny Glocks trigger. The reason you want to buy the Timney is the very light pull (mine is around 3-4 pounds, lighter than my Prodigy Comp stock trigger) and the duty kit makes it pull heavier. The Timney has an insanely crisp break to it which is another huge benefit. It’s hard to explain but it’s just like cracking glass every time.
No drop safety concerns. It’s been tested, and I have no concerns of any kind of safety issues.
I have tried and Overwatch trigger personally, as well as the Glock Performance. The apex has terrible reviews for the Glock, even worse than the stock Timney, so I didn’t even bother. The Overwatch was really good, the break and pull weight just wasn’t what I was looking for though. The break still had some hang ups when you were pulling through the wall. The Glock Performance trigger is fine. It’s like a Glock trigger that is well broken in. I have a lot of rounds through this G17, and it’s on its second barrel. The first was replaced around 15k rounds. I liked the Glock Performance trigger and for people like cops, armed guards, etc that have some lateral freedom to customize duty weapons, this trigger is perfect, I wouldn’t change it. If you are looking for the most performance, it’s not the best option, especially for the price.
One my shooting buddies has a Smith and Wesson Performance, I can’t remember the exact model name but it is the 5in M&P, It’s like the Competition I think. It has an Apex and that thing is a sweet shooter. It’s a great trigger but it’s not comparable because the mechanisms in a Glock are very different with how it disengages internal safeties etc. This trigger is very very accurate at longer distances. The short break and lighter weight of pull is very complimentary to this. There’s a lot of variance in time splits if you are shooting competition, such as the firearm behavior, how quickly you can process targets and how well you can get the sights back on target. A good trigger will always give you faster splits if you are already proficient with the stock firearm. I can shoot this Glock significantly faster and more accurately with this setup.
I have a ramjet on my Sig P365 and swear by it! I have a video on that build on my channel but for this Glock, no but only because I don’t want two Glocks at 34 length. If you are looking at one for yourself though, buy it. Without going on a tangent, yes it works, yes it works well, yes you will see a decent difference, no I wouldn’t sell mine for even the full price I paid. I would get one without hesitation any day of the week if you are looking for probably the most noticeable difference you can do to a modern handgun aside from a trigger.
The dreaded grip angle question! It’s hard to say really. There are USPSA grandmasters with Glocks, sigs, smith and wessons, staccatos, atlases, full on open guns, and they all are proficient. I also know that if you gave me a Nighthawk and gave those guys a hi point, they would demolish me in any stage, any scenario under any circumstance. There is no replacement for repetition and skill. I personally do not love the grip angle of the Glock. It does force you to activate your wrists, but it’s also not always intuitive when pointing and presenting. I am used to it, but much prefer to shoot things with a 1911 grip angle or even less. My carry guns is a P365 with an Icarus Precision grip module, I love that angle more than anything else I have tried. As I have shot more, I care less about muzzle rise and care more about how fast I can get my sights back on target. I like Ben Stoeger’s theory and technique where he doesn’t give a shit about the muzzle flipping as long as the sights are going back to the same place every time. Obviously, you gotta grip the gun and engage your wrists/forearms, but it’s not as big of a deal as some people make it out to be. I think that the Glock grip angle can be uncomfortable but can be used to show new shooters the part of the arms and wrists that need to have some tension to them. I just think that there are better options that have more benefits. Mostly, it’s whats comfortable to the user over anything else.
I hope my answers are acceptable here! Let me know if you have any more and I will do my best!
i need the 2A over here
i want wepoons :(
It’s something I try not to take for granted, especially when it comes to knowledge and understanding of the firearms we are allowed to own in the USA. Train with what you have, whatever it may be!
The warrior is greater than the weapon
96 days until I can finally buy a firearm 😅 what are your thoughts on 1911’s
Hey congratulations! I have had a couple 1911’s, I think every collection deserves one. You can’t beat the grip angle or trigger in them when comparing to a Glock or other striker fire. I have had multiple Staccato’s but recently got a Springfield Prodigy, a double stack 1911 and will have a video this week about my experiences with it, so definitely subscribe if you want to see that!
Would this fit a PSA Dagger?
That’s a great question! So I’ve seen videos where people convert Glock triggers for the PSA Dagger, I’d recommend looking into that first to see how you might have to modify it. Timney makes the alpha kit for multiple generations, and the vex kit is just a spring and trigger shoe so it might work! Look up The Nate Take on here, he has a video on it!