I brought a diesel when they said the particulates were heavier than air so not a threat to the environment they must have got that info from the university of Chris twittie They told us that we should buy a log burner because it's ozone neutral because when the tree is alive it sucks in carbon and saves the planet That info must have come from the valance institute of miss information
Yep...and the latest one is that AI exists. It DOESN'T exist. There is no intelligence when it is all pre-programmed. It cannot make it's own decision.
Jeremy Vine hosted a similar programme on BBC Radio2, full of guff and inaccuracy . Quentin Wilson a very experienced motoring journalist was a guest and did a fantastic job of tearing through the BS and pointing out all the fallacies while not shying away from the challenges.
This electrifying video is also biased by playing down comparisons. For example at 7:00 he says electric is heavier to comparable petrol/diesel, not by much. If you take the volvo comparison of their comparable EV versus petrol the electric is over 300kg heavier than the petrol. That's the weight equivalence of having five(60kg) permanent passengers when empty. 'not by much' ? Is this a case of calling out the inaccuracies only to spread your own biases? The biggest problem with (battery)electric cars is that the technology is far less suitable for long range journeys compared to petrol/diesel cars. Carrying a huge(and heavy) battery that can power your household for over two days just to achieve a range of the lowest range comparable petrol car, is a problem. The problematic charging is an indication of the excessive battery required.
When guy was talking about invention of electric vehicles he meant this sudden urgency from governments to push for electric vehicles. How many people believe that their government is there to represent ordinary people and not their rich buddies?
Nothing like twisting what someone said though is there, and your spot on 10 years ago the Diesel engine was the new clean revolution. What do we think will happen when electric cars fall out of favour in the next 10 years?? Got to do 70000 miles before you break even on the extra Co2 to produce the electric car in the first place. FACT from Volvo, not me. Like most people here I know nothing about cars, other that a V8 sounds bloody good!!!
If electric cars are so good why do they need government intervention to become established. As far as I know no government government intervention has been required for petrol stations or car purchase.
I had a Peugeot 206E up until last year. Got rid of it because it would do half the miles it was supposed to do and every time I went to go and charge it there was a problem with the chargers I ended up trading it in for fiesta hybrid, the charging infrastructure just isn't there yet and it won't be for another 10 years or so. Getting charge at the moment can be hard enough but so imagine what it's going to be like when more than 50% of the population are driving. EVs.
Tesla is opening up their chargers, never had an issue charging a Tesla - but did have issues with a Mercedes EQC. I do agree the infrastructure needs more work, but rather than go back to gasoline, a lot of people go for a Tesla.
Unfortunately many new owners to EV’s do not realise there is a difference in manufacturers quoted figures and real world figures for EV’s also summer and winter makes a difference. It’s a shame they do not seem to complain about the mileage figures quoted for Fossil fuel vehicles in the same way. I have never purchased a fossil fuel vehicle that could match the mileage figures quoted for it at Dealership. Should I have sold them because of it? As to the infrastructure I would have to agree, it simply is nowhere near where it needs to be but it is slowly getting there, problem is it’s too slow. Where I stay the amount of public chargers has more than doubled in the past couple of years but still way behind where it needs to be. It is not unusual for many Owners to be like myself and very rarely use the public network. My EV has a high range and most of my driving is local so charging at home is what I do 99% of the time. Even when I do travel away for weekend I may need a public charger but more than not my car can achieve our away journey without the need for a charge before returning home. ( we travel in excess of 270mls in a weekend) having the public charging network is required but not every EV user will use it often but it still needs to be there.
Is the fiesta 'self charging' as advertised or are you having to put petrol in it to make it work? Surprised you only managed to get 100 miles out of the Peugeot, must have a very heavy right foot and be slamming the brakes on to avoid getting any regen
@@bensmith5707 the man is a waste of time and space, made the mistake of listening to his so called show once, never again. A cheap way of filling a programme with similar idiots phoning in. Truly awful programming. Unless you are grovelling to him on his bike then forget it.
We live in a rural hilly area and even my wife's electric bike does only half the quoted mileage. Local electric drivers also quoted loosing another 15% of distance during the cold snap + a lack of fast chargers make it harder to justify running an electric car in rural areas.
Rent a Tesla for a week and do a road trip in it (even if you don't intend to ever buy a Tesla), it's the best way to dispel all these myths you keep clinging too to stop yourself taking the EV plunge. I've driven 1000 mile a day road trips in freezing conditions clear across America and Canada, there are challenges for sure, and you are smart enough to solve them.
@@brushlessmotoring But here in the UK the price of electricity has hit record highs and still set to keep going up a lot more. And who can actually afford to buy an electric car, only the wealthy, people in high paying jobs, so an awful lot of people here in the UK won't be able to afford to own a car anymore in the near future, unless the price of electric cars and electricity comes down a lot
@@fredatlas4396 it was a temporary price spike due a rise in natural gas prices, and EV prices are coming down, with Tesla reducing their prices, and cheaper EVs coming into the UK from Asia, which in turn will lower the used market. I don’t disagree it’s expensive for now, but it won’t always be like that, EVs are much simpler, and have the potential to be much cheaper to buy. They are already much cheaper over a short span of time. UK charging has to get better though, it’s very spotty and unreliable at the moment.
there is a thing called regen that recoups some energy when going DOWN the hill, rural area pah, don't you have electricity there ?? Most EV's can see more than 200 miles.
They literally had to ask people in California not to charge their cars because the grid couldn't cope with the demand. This is only the beginning what about when everyone has them
So you've watched this correction video and decided to ignore what the National Grid guy said. The very person who works for the very grid that you think will collapse.. I guess you know something he doesn't, I mean, he only works there.
@@mev202 So, when is national grid actually going to increase capacity? Right now it's nowhere near capable. Remember things like World/Eufa football matches/Wimbledon etc when national grid asked people not to put the kettle on all at the same time? A kettle, 2kw for 5 minutes, not an EV at 7kw for 8 hours.
Come to Australia...largest market input of rooftop solar PV, batteries being taken up also. I charge my EV for free every other day. With PV/battery. As for grid falling over, there is so much solar input energy companies have floated idea of turning off solar input on sunny days in summer as as to not overload the grid with free energy. As for RV range anxiety 2 years ago I drove it 2400kms and learned range anxiety is B's if you plan the trip. E V's now driving around Australia using existing charging infrastructure.
One aspect I don't hear anyone talk about is in times of disasters when the power is cut for days and weeks. Electric cars are utterly useless. It's diesel and petrol vehicles that do all the work necessary to rescue and rebuild infrastructure. Good luck using your electric when it's had no charge for the duration.
@@slimsshady1951 Yes, but could easily be run off a commercial diesel generator, where as EV charging stations, especially the higher wattage newer ones would be a real struggle to power more than a few.
for sure they know much better than anybody else :). We don't have enough electricity production. And EV sales are not going well at all actually. VW scaled down their EV production because of lack of demand. But these "self-absorbed" liberals know better for sure... These people are the reason we are in such a horrible mess... Can we get normal people into power, please?
Love this. If we could rewind time to when the first combustion engines came out I bet you would find the same thing. Horse Owner "Well you can't find any fuel for your car where as my horse just eats grass and there's lots of that about"
Yep, the funny part is that the anti EV brigade say that there are no chargers while posting such comments from a device charged from domestic power. (Yes yes I realise that not everyone can home charge at present but there's plenty of electricity about.)
@@MikeHarveyPhoto I don’t think anyone in their right mind would want to buy a non electric car in 7 years time. You’d be hard pressed not to buy electric right now.
I'm not sure you could expect anything factual from many TV and Newspaper journalists and that programme is no different! Research just isn't on their agenda because they would be unable to sensationalise their stories. Sadly, however, there is a very large proportion of the population believe them. Please keep up your excellent work (and research!) Videos such as this should be made widely available (perhaps on the Jeremy Vine Show!😃)
Sadly it is true that electric vehicles is a con. You have to realize that our grid not able to cope with even half of citizens driving electric. And funny thing is that nothing is done to improve grid. Have you seen any improvements going on now? Another point is what do we burn to get electricity? UK restarted 2 coal plants to keep us going. Another coal plant is in plans. One more thing. Efficiency of electric vehicles. From the source of electricity to the wheels you have around 14 to 17 percent left. One thing that can save us is nuclear power plants that are cleanest and cheapest source of electricity but that means going to russians since rosatom is nr1 company in the world to build safest and cheapest nuclear power plants.
So the whole world is wrong and only EV fan boys are right ? Rubbish EV's abd their infrastructure are being found out as an inferior alternative to what went before, end of !
That was interesting. I do not have an EV, we are a 3 car household and one motorcycle, all petrol. I have a lot of friends and neighbours who have EVs. So I asked them to watch this video and comment. Not ONE would buy another EV (or get one as a company car on contract). Those with Hybrids would not buy another one. Every one of them laughed at some of the things you say (claim). Those that had bought their own EV say it was the worst decision they had ever made. Breakdowns, constantly in the dealer for repair. Price cuts at the dealer instantly knocking thousands off the resale value of their car. Massively expensive insurance. Charging points never working, or only working at a trickle, and priced at stupidly high prices. ALL of my neighbours have now purchased an ICE powered car as backup, a few parking the EV on the drive for local trips only. My next door neighbour's Ford hybrid now only goes 6 miles on a full overnight charge, and Ford are refusing her warranty claim, so she drives it only as a petrol car. No, I am sorry, but the argument for EVs has been lost, and bleating like you are doing here is just making matters worse. At the end of the day, it is my money I will be spending, and it will not be on an EV. Consumers are a canny bunch, and we can smell a rat from a mile away.
Just done a guick check and the average family sized electric car is 1940kg compared to a family sized diesel car of 1360kg. Thats a considerable difference to your claim.
There should be some fact checking on sensationalist shows, to stop them saying it's our guest's opinion so we can broadcast things that are not true. Either have an on screen warning like RUclips with Covid or 5 mins at the end for an informed response. The I-Pace man seems just to have done it for publicity, and some lapped it up without thinking that a very odd way to operate and choose that particular EV.
What will be Jeremy Vine's reaction when someone shares with him the fact that Cobalt is used in refining gasoline? Will he then tell us we should get rid of ICE vehicles? Fun Fact: The cobalt from a battery can be recovered and reused after the battery's end of life, the cobalt used in refining is simply consumed.
Indeed Alex. The oil industry in the largest users on mined minerals on the planet, bar none. I believe *some* of the cobalt used in refining can be recovered, but I doubt it would be 90% as it is with battery recycling......
AFAIK the cobalt in refining is used as a catalyst, so it is not just consumed, but mostly reused over and over. That being said, oil industry is clearly not under pressure to source the cobalt from ethical sources, unlike EV manufacturers.
Jeremy Vine rides a bike, no cobalt used on cycles ? Unlike the cobalt mined to make batteries in the Congo by children who risk their lives every day.
If you buy an EV with an LFP battery (they are the cheapest and the safest) there is zero cobalt used. Many of the Teslas and most of the Chinese made EV's use LFP batteries. Their main drawback is a lower energy density but there is a new LFP battery chemistry called LMFP which adds manganese to the mix and this addresses that issue.
Guys I hope this video wasn’t made to push electric cars as the answer to our transportation woes ? Because you certainly haven’t convinced me, A substantial percentage of our vehicle driving population live in flats with no means of charging an electric vehicle which will always continue to be the hurdle that will never be achieved in our generation, and I’m pretty sure that is a fact ! The fact that the infrastructure isn’t there to support a growing number of electric vehicles questions itself whether the manufacturers themselves ever saw this as being the answer to the replacement of combustion engine vehicles surly ? My prediction is combustion engine vehicles will live on for many many years yet and the 2030 thing will be pushed back.
There's something that nobody ever mentions and I suppose a lot of people don't understand... probably the people to whom a car is just as interesting as a washing machine is to me. Its a thing that serves a purpose, to get to work and back and no more. But I enjoy driving my car. There are some who would shake their head in disbelief to hear that sometimes i drive it just for the sake of driving it and not specifically to go somewhere. I have motorbikes too, purely for fun. No, really! Some of us don't want an electric car. I have a v6 engined car. I love the sound it makes. I love that if I need to fill it up it takes about 3 minutes and not an hour or whatever. Not to mention that not everyone has a driveway to charge it at home and would need to find a charger somewhere else. I don't want the choice of what I drive taken away from me. If you can justify the mining for minerals and the drain on the grid and the wasted time it takes to recharge the thing and can live with the range anxiety every time you go for a long drive, scared to put the heated seats on as it reduces your range then fine, thats your choice and I have no issues with that but I wish someone would realise that the ICE is not the cause of all that is wrong in the world and maybe synthetic petrol or hydrogen power is a real alternative for when oil finally runs out. And tell me this, how will the government replace the billions of pounds they currently rake in from fuel duty?
Loved this video. Unfortunately, Jeremy Whine is very good at whipping up rhetoric to fit his anti car agenda, whatever their fuel source, and will always find the headline grabbing worst case scenario rather than focus on the vast majority who have a positive experience.
To add some further information on the Tebay queuing on the 27th December, I was there earlier in the day and it was somewhat of a perfect storm. 1. Only the southbound side of Tebay has Tesla chargers, so it has cars from both directions stopping there. 2. It has the older V2 chargers which load share between pairs, so essentially when two cars parked next to each other, they will only draw a max of 60-65kW. 3. Tebay is a destination stop. Many people like to stop there for a meal regardless of whether they actually need to stop to charge. 4. There is quite a long distance between Tebay and any other superchargers when heading south, so it usually makes sense to stop there. 5. Contrary to comments in the video, older Model S and X can only rapid charge at V2 Tesla superchargers, unless they have had the CCS conversion. So they can't really just go somewhere else. All of the above combined with a massive amount more peak holiday traffic than usual made this inevitable. The simplest solution is just to add more charging capability here and at many more motorway service areas.
Living in the area, I personally wouldn't bother with Tebay. I'd use the two chargers in the main village car park in Shap, just off Junction 39 of the M6, as they don't see much use yet, despite being installed fairly recently. They are operated by Charge My Street, a local charge network based in North Lancashire.
Tebay have reacted by now going ahead with large planning expansion of chargers. They say the nearest town Penrith residence are being issued with candles at holiday weekends as they will have their power switch off to supply Tebay.
@@matthewnightingale4675Your right wait until theres a petrol shortage again Oh my god! The queues the queues I cant sleep! Thinking about the queues and I run a petrol at the moment, Have i mentioned The queues oh my god! Have a good one.
I can’t wait for how quiet it’s going to be on the UK roads with 75% of ice drivers saying that they don’t intend to buy an electric car by 2030 and 52% say that they will never buy an electric car. 🎉
@@djtaylorutube by quiet I mean amount of traffic not the sound. As the clunkers go to the scrapyard and the owners vowing never to buy an electric car. I’m assuming they will walk, cycle and bus it. I gave up trying to convince the dinosaurs long ago, a complete waste of breath.
Another point is, if we were all to convert to EV's over the next 5 years.... The Fuel tax the Gov. raid from Ice drivers, that would shrink to nothing, so you know what they will do? Yes, of course, the Energy companies will get an increasingly bigger tap on the shoulder from Mr Gov., saying, hmm, it's time for another tax rise......I'm sure you're customers won't mind the higher bills!
My faithful old 1990 VW Passat still has its original 1.6 Turbo intercooled diesel engine and came as standard with a 25+ gallon fuel tank. At a steady 60mph it does 55mpg. This gives a range of 1375 miles between fill ups, that's also nearly 23 hours of non stop motoring if i could stay awake that long. My satnav tells me my home here in the Black Country, West Midlands is 1154 mikes from Warsaw. 1209 miles from Budapest. 1310 miles from Kosovo. 1315 mikes from Stockholm. 1359 miles from Naples. Any destinations above are achievable on one tank of diesel, and without any need to stop for fuel. All that said, if I could have purchased a current modern electric car back in 1990 instead of my Diesel VW Passat, how many sets of batteries would i have gone through in the past 33 years? Even if a set lasted 10 years I'd now be on my 4th set. So, 33 going forward, how many of the currently available electric cars will still be on the road in 2056 to run alongside my old Passat which will still be cruising along at 60mph.
You don't say the mileage of your old Passat, just it's age. How many fuel injectors, glow plugs, fuel pumps, leads, gearboxes, engine internals, fuel filters, air filters, oil filters, oil, coolant changes, drive shafts, CV joints and gaiters, exhausts, exhaust boxes, starter motors, alternators, hydraulic systems and pumps? Diesel is way more expensive than electricity for a vehicle. There are solar power roof tiles, your whole roof can be a solar powered charger. This system can have storage batteries recycled from old vehicles to store the power. The very famous they RUclipsr Marques Brownlee has done this with a new Tesla roof and battery installation. It powers his car, home, kitchen, heating, cooling, everything. Zero power from the grid Very soon it will be affordablev for everyone to have their own solar power and storage without the need for very costly petrol or diesel. We are seeing Dirty Oil fighting for its survival. Used electric cars are below £3k. Cost less than 2p/mile on cheap electricity. We just need to keep the scum away from owning our electricity services.
If you need a longer charge lead James, try Screwfix. Theirs aren't badly priced. I was lucky, I got a secondhand 10 metre one for longer trips, just in case I find an ICE car parked on a charger. But Screwfix have new ones....
@@Markcain268 More insurance companies are starting to refuse cover on EV's, and the rest are charging more. HMRC have already stated EV's will be taxed from next year.
Couple of other important points: 1) Tyre particulates despite being a bit nasty are NOWHERE NEAR as nasty as those particulates from the exhaust of a modern direct injected petrol or deisel car (which now have to have speciic particulate filters fitted into their exhaust systems to catch these particles because they are so injurous to our health). Wearing a rubber tyre down makes big, heavy particles, that yes, might be washed into our rivers and ecosystem (not good) but are these particles not nearly small or light enough to get into our blood stream via our lungs. You cannot compare an exhaust soot particle (small, light, cancerous) with a tyre particle, either by mass, number or volume. 2) BEVs wear their tyres less despite being on average a bit heavier because they don't slip those tyres as much! Tyre wear is not really caused by the tyre rolling over the road, but by it being dragged over the road, ie slipping across the surface. This is why if you drive aggressively or spin your tyres, they wear out very quickly indeed. An electric traction motor is so much softer on a tyre, unlike for an Internal combustio engine because it has practically no torsional vibration (changes in driving torque with rotation, caused in an ICE by each piston firing individually) and becuse the drive torque can be controlled in a much finer way (Drive torque in a BEV is typically controlled 1,000, yes ONE THOUSAND times per second, compared to 3, yes THREE times a second for a vehicle with an ICE. This is also why they accelerate so quickly because they have very good traction btw. 3) Materials used to make a battery are not in any way distroyed by that battery being used. Even if we dig up some Colbalt in the worst possible way, we now have that colbalt for ever. Oil extraction of course is a definite one-way process, nothing can be recovered or reused, and oil extraction is almost certainly the dirtiest single thing we do a a species.
@@chasleask8533 I think he maybe once owned a Diesel car! And now feels really bad about himself! So bad he can't even bring himself to spell the horrific word!
@@chasleask8533 In my childhood, I figured out how to spell the name, by remembering that the first four letters spell 'Dies'. That was decades before the dangers of particulates were being discussed.
In the future there will be four types of car drivers fossil fuel /ev/ex ev/and the sadest ev drivers trapped in negative equity because the debt out weighs the true value of the car .
1. As you said, particulate filters are fitted to vehicle to collect the nasty particles from cars and make a vast difference so you've rendered your own point invalid. Experts are now saying that particulates from tyres are now the biggest problem we face. They're not just made of rubber but all kinds of additional materials, including dangerous chemical substances abound, silicates, synthetic rubbers, Carbon Black, polymers, elastomers, and yes fabric and wire. Natural rubber is now probably one of the smallest ingredients in a modern car tyre. EV tyres have even more materials in them for sound deadening purposes so please don't dismiss how potentially hazardous they may be. 2. Wear is a tricky subject because every car and every driver is different. A lot of what you said is true, but rear tyres do not turn so are always being dragged unless you're driving in a perfectly straight line. EV tyres may not wear as quick but thar's offset because they contain more materials in the first place. Faster acceleration will always wear a tyre faster, it's easy to spin the wheels on an EV such as a Tesla 3 because of the high torque levels right from zero mph, but start factoring torque in and it gets very difficult. 3. There are lots of things that used oil can be used for these days, including more lubricant products, again it's a huge and complex subject but we must not lose sight of the fact that oil is used for countless products, not least the production of tyres and plastics, most of the things you'll find in a car, and for lubricating the machinery that does everything from manufacturing the car parts, to painting it, to delivering them. There's a sort of misconception that the oil rich nations would be screwed if we stopped using ICE cars and switched to EVs but nothing could be further from the truth. There is an endless list of things that rely on oil and switching the entire world to EVs would barely scratch the surface of what we use. That's one of the major issues for me, the hype is leading people to believe that by buying an EV they're helping to save the planet but the reality is so far away from that, it's almost laughable to even suggest it.
I'm an American and love driving my Tesla. Thanks for entertaining us with shows like this. What a Bell End this guy is. Hilarious. Actually this hyperbole is essential to slow the disruption. As EV sales go up 40% we face real challenges with batteries, grid supply, home charging and politics. The FUD tends to slow it down a bit for the meek minded so that tech can develop at the breakneck speed required. Thanks for the laughs and the balanced mindset.
@@zasadacrew how does Tesla = bell end? A car says very little about your personality unless you bought the car for reasons other than transport. Eg Lamborghini.
Nonsense. If the aim was to limit people's travel, they could do it anytime by limiting the times you could buy petrol, along with the amount you could have. I never heard anything so ridiculous... What would the benefits to the government be of limiting people's travel?
There are some issues with EVs: -They work quite well in moderate-climate countries like the UK. EV battery packs like temperatures that are basically comfortable for humans. But if you operate an EV in a very cold weather country or a very hot weather country the advertised range of the EV drops dramatically. Like 30% or more. -You already have all the infrastructure in place to service ICE vehicles. Gas stations, mechanics, oil change places etc. So you will have to install a lot of charging stations for these EVs. Great if you own a home and can charge your EV at night when power rates are cheaper but not everyone has their own home. So where are they going to charge up their EVs? - A lot of vehicle owners are DIY on their vehicle maintenance. Oil changes, brakes, sparkplugs, CV joints, suspension work etc. The issue with an EV is the battery pack in many cases is a very high voltage, like 300 volts. Make a mistake and that 300 volts will kill you. Plus I can get parts easily for let's say a Toyota Corolla or Camry. Original or aftermarket at reasonable prices. Try doing that for a Tesla or newly manufactured EV. The price for parts for EVs is nuts. Then there is the cost to replace that battery pack which will eventually need replacement. Remember that is not generally a DIY project for most people. You would need gloves rated a 1000 volts, plus gloves on top of them. How much for a Tesla battery pack,$25,000-$30,000. After 12 years how many will just end up in a junkyard? -The population is ageing and frankly, you drive a lot less when you're retired. EV batteries like to be charged, drained and recharged regularly or their lifespan is less. But if I buy a very fuel-efficient 4cyl ICE vehicle I basically don't have that issue to deal with. -The Toyota hybrid system is very reliable. So if I buy a hybrid I don't have issues with charging it, range anxiety, and the brakes regenerate electrical power back to the battery. If there was a major power blackout you could actually power your home with a plug-in hybrid. - EVs may not have tailpipe emissions but how is the electrical power being created to power that EV. In some countries like China, it's coal. So how would that save the planet? Then there is the little thing EV proponents don't like to talk about. The fact is that converting the world to EVs would require a 1000% increase or more in mining for all the metals and materials needed to manufacture those battery packs. All mining pollutes especially water sources. -Then there is the price of an EV. Not cheap! They are unaffordable for many people. I realize that in the UK and EU countries gasoline/diesel fuel is ridiculously taxed so that makes it more attractive to have an EV to avoid being financially raped by high fuel taxes. But once enough people buy EVs governments will miss the tax money from fossil fuels and implement a road tax on EVs. -A lot of new EVs are just now hitting the market. Just from past experience new vehicle models generally have problems. So do you want to buy a problematic vehicle? -Toyota is working on solid-state battery packs. They claim to have solved the massive power drain on solid-state batteries in cold weather. Range 300 miles and recharge in 10 minutes. I think that just might be a game-changer for EVs if they can do it. Plus solid-state batteries are smaller/lighter than lithium batteries. Bet you they initially put them into their hybrid vehicles.
Hi Ginny (face of the VRA) - hope you’re good. Excellent video - whilst you are right that electric cars are brilliant ( and will get better ) - they still will not suit all - biggest issues remain charging points - both public and private if you don’t have a house with driveway/parking - the high cost of the cars restricting ownership away from the majority - and battery life - as with all batteries their capacity reduces as they get older - so range does too. My fear is that most of these cannot be resolved satisfactorily before 2030. Personally, I’ll stick with my petrol powered car for some time yet….
@@peteygti1 They apparently degrade slower @ 1.8% per year compared to earlier EV batteries. When I see a 12 year old small EV can do 600 miles in range when its degraded by 20%, I will say the have cracked it! We are seemingly years away from that! My 1.25L Corsa diesel hits 600 miles on a full tank and does 1.4 miles mpg less than 16 years ago when it was new! P.S. If you drive over something in an EV and damage the battery, it's almost certainly a new battery required! Another reason I won't buy EV's!
Nearly got run over by a silent EV today in a supermarket carpark. I saw him @ 8 yards away as I was slowly walking and turned my head right. He never saw me and kept his 10 - 12mph speed constant! Only me going on tip toes saved myself! Should be mandatory the silent ones be fitted with some hideous sound, like the new ones. Guess it's the superiority complex, EV owners have, as I usually experience in my diesel Corsa. Too close behind me, time is money, I am an insignificant frustrating obstacle to them instead of being just another road user. And that's me doing my usual maximum, the speed limit will allow! Bloody self interested menaces! Anyway, keep up the good work in promoting rubbish!
EV's take about 12 times as long to fill up than an ICE car. If we are to avoid massive queues at charging stations, we'll need 12 times as many chargers than fuel pumps. And just where is all that electricity coming from? Windmills? What, when the wind isn't blowing? And we still have virtually zero storage.
45 minutes is a heck of a long time to refuel a car compared to 2 minutes for an IC car. And that;'s assuming you can find a working charger that isn't already in use.
If you use one of the several apps now readily available, you don't have to "find" a charger that isn't being used. The latest apps can provide real time information regarding whether a particular charger is working, and if it's being used, how long the waiting time will be...... You won't fill an ICE car up in 2 minutes once fuel gets more difficult to source....
Apart from the use of cobalt, there is also an enormous amount of energy used in the sourcing, refining and transportation of fossil oil. It may be interesting to do an A-B comparison of how much energy goes into the production and provision of petrol/diesel vs electricity.
Infastructure not there in UK for charging. Great if you can home charge (millions cannot, live in flats no drives etc) charge else where costs are more than petrol/diesel. My next car will be petrol maybe electric after that? have to be major improvements in quicker charging and easier charging.
I don’t think electric cars are a con trick but I don’t think they are in a state to be considered anything other than a second cars used as an about town runaround
What happens if the majority of cars in a multi story car park are evs, and one of them decides to go incendiary? As we all know an eV fire is virtually impossible to extinguish. Tyres will wear out faster as the cars are heavier. And if electric vehicles are so good then why were they superseded by petrol and diesel cars?
A top manager at the national grid has said that for Britain to go all electric cars trucks buses trains Britain will have to build at a minimum another 2 nuclear power station on top of the one they are building at the moment at Hinckley point
That doesn't mean that extra demand will be met with actual nuclear power stations though - renewables are far cheaper and faster to add than nuclear, gas or coal, and the benefit of EV's is that they can be dynamically timed to charge when renewables are about to be curtailed, it's a perfect fit, as you don't have to put 500 km of fuel into an EV every day if you only commute 50 km, so in the future you could set your EV to wait for the cheapest electricity or lowest CO2/kWh.
Driving from Glasgow to Annecy as I do for holidays Tesla says it'll take 21hr 11 minutes Vs 16hr 25 minutes using Google maps for a standard car. 5 extra hours, not taking into account that I'm towing which will push up those charging times hugely. Then there is the small fact that none of the manufacturers makes an electric car that can tow my camper trailer! I'll stick with my pickup!
Simple answer is to fit a better electric motor and tow a trailer full of extra batteries. On the sensible side though, about 8 hours per day is the most time one should be behind the wheel . That should allow 8 hours to rest or sleep at the very least. Time to charge those batteries. I would stick to the pickup though.
Hello, in regard to the long queues at Tebay over Christmas can I say I was the guy in the red model 3 at the head of the queue, this was the second time only in 18 months I’ve ever queued. It did take ca. 4 hrs to wait - charge and go, however what’s not been mentioned was that there was a problem with the charge stations which during charging tended to deliver only 6 - 7 kw, or a charge rate of ca. 30 miles / hr hence the very long queue. Contrast this to a fully operative charge station that would have charged at ca. 400 miles per hr, or a 250kw station capable of 100 miles in ten minutes. Luddite’s make you smile - If you have a lack of understanding on a subject coupled with a biased view point you’re never going to deliver a balanced arguement - just sayin 😂
I want to ask, as a phev owner of 8years.. what happens when an ev or phevs battery is no longer fit for purpose.. because as I understand it, lithium's characteristics mean that over it's live it's capacity becomes greatly reduced as we have seen with out three cars.
You two obviously can afford a Tesla. A lot of people can't so how will we get kids to school ,commute? If the UK converted to EV transport we would require: 207000,900 tons of cobalt,which is double the present production,264,000,600 tons of Lithium and 2,362,500 tons of copper ! That is just the UK. You two are just mind-blowing!
Cobalt is the catalyst used in..... .... .... Oil refining. The largest use of Cobalt is Oil refinement for Petrol and diesel. Where it is consumed but in electric car batteries cobalt can be recycled.
He reminds me of the people that once insisted that all these new fangled motor car things must travel at walking pace and to ensure it, make a man walk in front of them with a red flag to warn people of it's presence. The man is a Luddite.
How nice of you to gloss over the child labour and the polluted rivers caused by the mining of mineral's for car batteries. Electric cars are no greener and yes it is a con.
Jeremy Vine is well known for this type of thing. Can't listen to Radio 2 anymore. Why don't you both interview them on their facts. Keep up the good work.
But electric cars are a trick! Nobody talks about the problem with how batteries are sourced? We need more efficient public transport not more private cars.
Check this fact; Practically NOBODY is buying a Battery E.V. for a personal vehicle at this point (Q3 /24) because the £ depreciation £ is so immense , for cheap motoring they are unviable. Add in the enormous extra insurance costs that are slowly being directed back to the payout cause (battery e.v. fires*) and these cars become a toxic purchase. Act as smug as you like but the average Brit. motorist is not mug enough to fall for it. The market is the decider in who is right and it has decided current e.v. tech is not good enough. * Felicity Ace, Freemantle Highway, Luton airport carpark, (that was a hybrid battery fire) that is a billion euro's worth just those 3 events, only an idiot would charge an e.v. inside their property.
Whilst I am enjoying my EV, I am thankful I charge from home over 90% of the time. The only long journey so far in 3 months resulted in the several hours wasted on public network. Briefly…. Outbound No 1 out of order, 2 plugged in ok to find then discover charger went offline, 3 was a 7 kWh(what a waste of time) no 4 at last! Homebound 1 busy …2 a 7kwh, no 3 at last. I was obviously naive to expect a seamless experience to charge the car. Also, why is a credit or debit card not sufficient? Lesson learnt, but inadequate network massively detracts from ownership experience to have to faff about factoring in ‘fuel’ stop(s) when there is no confidence the planned stop will be working.
That Tesla charger queue was over Christmas, just off a motorway, I think in Wales. Not seen any other queues for Tesla chargers, and Tesla cars will divert you to another location if the intended one is busy. And the Jeremey Vine show is just like a tabloid newspaper, majors on sensationalism and deserves to be on Ch 5!
According to Plug Life Television (ruclips.net/video/WMecU8rQgwQ/видео.html) it was Tebay Services in Cumbria, an older Tesla Supercharger with just 8 V2 150kW chargers which are only on the southbound side of the motorway and have to serve traffic in both directions. The café and farm shop there are also popular stops in their own right.
@@simonlongman4067 it did happen, but just like long queues for petrol, its a rare edge case, not every time, the longest I've had to wait was 5 minutes.
it was at Tebay in the Lake district, however there don't seem to be any pictures of ICE cars queueing during the fuel shortage...funny that. My smug face got a real workout lol. Vine is a moron, always has been
Thank you for talking sense. Jeremy Vines programme was a bit of an embarrassment. Owning an EV requires a level of common sense which the anti EV brigade don't seem to have. Keep up the good work.
@@Markcain268 I changed by Diesel car for an EV for the very reason to save money and it is so much cheaper. The PCP payments are less than my monthly fuel bill used to be so it has worked for me, but I understand it doesn't work for everyone.
there are hundreds of ev stuck on forecourts in America because they are not being bought and he same is starting to happen here. Actually Toyota is biggest car manufacturer in the world i believe not BMW and they are making strong efforts to stop battery fuelled cars and develope an alternative
If you add all the manufacturers together owned by VW, then surly they pass Toyota as the largest, either way it’s defiantly not BMW. He needs to get his FACTS right before FACTchecking other people.
Time is the most valuable thing in a human's life and since owning an electric car and not having a home wall charger, I've wasted so much time trying to charge my car and sometimes finding others at the charge point when I get there. Also the price of running them has doubled since last year. So two of the things affecting me since my purchase. His other points are invalid.
The main thing that gets me is when I talk to people at work who are buying the FUD lock, stock, and barrel. My favorite is the notion that hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe (true) and can be easily sucked it out of the air and used. (not true) When I mention the massive energy demands of electrolysis and the huge amounts of carbon released in gas reformation, they just look at me like I just made that stuff up. I wonder if they know that they are working for the petrochemical industry.
Chris, I think we're well into the realms where there *are* paid "plants" from the oil industry. Big oil knows full well it's days of mega profits from oil are numbered. That's one of the reasons some of them are now sneakily getting into the renewable energy industry.
@@Brian-om2hh It's not unlike when the tobacco industry hired doctors to say that smoking was not just ok, but would actually improve your health. I think it always happens when a trillion dollar industry is threatened.
It's my understanding that some multistorey car parks are banning electric cars due to the fire risk. And before I get a rebuttal sating ICE cars also catch fire, yes, they do I know, however it’s not the fact that electric cars catch fire so much as the ferocity of the fire. The amount of toxic flammable gas that is produce by a faulty battery is terrifying, coupled with the domino effect of the other cells igniting results in the entire car been engulfed in no time. Not to mention the difficulty in putting the fire out. I have heard of some garages refusing to work on EV’s for the same reason.
@@Brian-om2hh I said ‘it was my understanding’ I didn’t say I knew of any specific multistorey carparks but I can point out underground ones that have straight-up banned EVs Why? Because those things are basically rolling chemical, firecrackers that could level a whole city block if they sneeze wrong. Meanwhile, the diesel engine is out here chugging away, saving the world-one puff of glorious black smoke at a time. LONG LIVE THE DIESEL ENGINE.
Great video, and properly fact checked, which Jeremy Vine is not. Whenever I hear someone trot out these half truths and lies , I also get somewhat peeved. So Energy to drive an EV = Energy to refine fuel for the same journey! Fossil fuel also uses rare metals in production, and it's gone when burned. The National Grid reports clearly state that EV's are not the problem but part of the solution.
I do agree with all the comments so far the only thing I would say, as someone who would dearly love an EV, what is the percentage of home in the UK with driveways that can charge at home. Next what is going to happen with all the cables trailing across the pavements,as it’s quite expensive to charge totally at charging points. I would love there to be a reasonable answer but at the moment I can’t see one.
We are in this situation, so yes we currently have to charge at public chargers. It's still cheaper than petrol, but, granted, not by much. It's a trade-off. Everyone needs to assess whether it's feasible for them or not, we both work from home so we can decide when to go for coffee and charge at the same time, I generally take my laptop and work there, quite nice actually. As for cables on the pavement, there are more and more companies working with councils around the UK to provide solutions such as digging gulleys for the cable to run through, with a flap to go over so it's flat and not a hazard, it's also possible to place a ramp over the cable on the pavement, if your council allows you to, as you need to ask them first. Some councils (like ours!) may refuse by default, but you can challenge the decision as they have to provide evidence for their refusal. We've started the process. Of course, the other issue is that you never get a guaranteed parking space on the road in front of your house, but in most residential streets, people know each other, and I am confident that our neighbours wouldn't mind moving their car if I needed the space a couple of nights a week. That's all an EV needs, there's no need to charge it every night.
13:00 You're talking like 8 hours to charge your car is a *good* thing. Whether it's 2 *days* from a home socket or 1 *day* from one of your special home chargers, you're missing the point. *Days!* Not exactly much chop against 5 minutes at a Servo to fill up a petrol or diesel tank is it?
Admittedly the electric car is not a smart move right now, it is hitting us all hard in an already strapped for cash pockets, plus the supporting infrastructure just isn't there yet. The electric cars are causing problems on our motorways already as the brake down or run out of power. (You cant really pop on down to the garage for a can of electric to get you going again can you ) So when these electric vehicles sadly run out of power on our motorways in any of the live lanes then all emergency services have to respond to such to close that particular lane down while a recovery vehicle is brought in to recover the electric car. This has a knock on effect to businesses up & down the country as the delivery & transport infrastructure is pushed harder than it already is costing millions to the tax payers again & scary but true, we don't have anywhere near the amount of electric vehicles on our roads yet that the government would like to have, ciaos dooms.. Plus how do we dispose of these when they reach the end of their lives ? It just has not been thought through properly !!
Those that do charge from regular 220v socket are unlikely to drive enough daily to need a 100% charge. If you know you will need 100%, you charge earlier in the day and more. If long drive is unexpected, fast charging stations typically do a good job. Sure, there are people who do lots of driving day to day like 300-500km but those people will likely install a wallbox at home.
Fun fact from a Swedish perspective: my i3S needs during a warm winter at -12 around 20 kWh per 100 km, which nets me at best 200 km (I needed to charge at 170 km this time). That would be an estimate of 40 kWh and 200 km, at a cost of 40*8,5= 340 SEK. Compared to my equally good Polo that sips petrol around 5,4L=100 km that is 10,8L. 10,8L*19= 205 SEK. Sooo I pay more for electricity than petrol, and I needed to charge for 45 minutes due to what I guess was a cold charger. Now tell my why I should even bother with this nonsense? I´m not, i´m actually returning my i3S in april then I won´t be touching an EV till we get our infrastructure pricing in order.
And the facts are if we only had electric cars then we couldn't run them all people would be lining up for half a day to charge them just to do any long journey and most importantly if there was a lockdown all cars could be switched off without owners consent. The fact is there is no infrastructure to charge them all that's that's fact
What complete and utter nonsense. Around 16'000 new public charging connections were installed during 2023 alone. There are now almost 60'000 of them in the UK, with an estimated 400'000+ privately owned home chargers.
The facts are that all cars damage the environment during their manufacture and disposal. Electric cars may cost the environment less if the electricity they use is produced sustainably.
I think Tessa Dunlop meant old phones and laptop batteries (in the bottom drawer). I read somewhere about the huge amount of 'saved' electrical goods that people have not thrown away (I've been guilty of that too) and there might well be a lot of recyclable materials in batteries that have not been processed because of that......
Great video! It is really quite sad and frankly very annoying, that so many media outlets are helping to foster anti-EV propaganda like this. I begin to wonder why they don't fact check the claims their invited guests are going to make before allowing them into the studio. I don't watch daytime TV. Partly because I've got better things to do with my time but particularly because there seem to be lots of programmes like this. They provide discussion on topical issues of the day which they decide, or presume many people really need, or want to know about. I'll stick to learning about stuff myself and reaching my own informed decisions. Which is what I did before getting my first EV 18 months ago.
As I wrote in another reaction to this. Rhe news is own by some biljonaires...They earn money from the oil industry...huge amounts. And they will losse billions when we start reducing energy usage for travelling electric by 60-80% I'm afraid they are PAYED for spreading these nonsens...and not only these nonsens...also with covid they did not do any fact checking.
They are really just trying to be sensational and attract viewers. So many programmes now don't seem to care about the truth, but just how sensational they can make a topic to increase viewing figures for advertising reasons.
They are a con. And they AREN’T green. Ask the childRen who will be digging up the cobalt to power your rip off machine for a couple of hundred miles. You lot are fools
Enjoyed the video which addressed similar claims that are regularly made in the Daily Mail and on GB News. But I do agree with the point about a lack of public charging infrastructure as I would never have bought a small EV if I could not charge at home.
I think charging is getting a lot better - I have had a 28kWh Ioniq for a couple of years and when I got it 'longer' trips really needed planning. Now I just drive and look for a charger when I need one. In all my journeys I had to wait just once last year for about 15 minutes for an Osprey charger and that's because I decided to drive on and head there as I could, and probably should, have stopped 15 miles earlier and not arrived at it with 6%! 😆
@@FFVoyager It's a bit more hit and miss where I live in Central Scotland, although new public chargers are appearing all the time. I think as the infrastructure grows, the hardest part will be keeping all the chargers in service as they tend to have a hard life. You are fortunate to own what is probably the most efficient EV around. You may already be familiar with the EV Dabbler channel, whose Ionic regularly exceeds a figure of 5 miles per KW/h even at higher speeds- notably better than the 4.6 miles per KW/h I get in my Fiat 500e with a very light foot.
Just a tiny bit smug and patronising but most of the points dealt with well. Just a bit worried about your theory that electric cars are going to somehow be a part of the energy supply solution. Having EVs plugged in to the grid isn’t going to make any more energy at all. Sure, once they are charged up, from the grid, they will be a store of energy that came from the grid. But people will want keep that energy in their car so that they can use it. They are not going to let it go back in to the grid to charge up their neighbour’s cars. Sure Graham is right, the grid won’t melt but getting enough power in to it in the winter in the UK that is already a problem, without resorting to huge amounts fossil fuel production. And what is going to happen with the millions of people living in Victorian terraced streets that rarely get to park outside their house. Those streets with lines of parked cars down both sides. How are they going to charge up? Or aren’t we bothered about those people because they are not a well off as you?
Jeremy Vine interview was the TV version of clickbait to appeal to the EV haters which mainly consists of people who currently can't afford one. EV Prices are coming down, but I think we have reached the point of Total Cost of Ownership being lower for most people, especially company cars with the BIK tax. I would think by 2025/26 the purchase price will be lower than ICE, after all they are a lot simpler with less parts, and battery prices are reducing as predicted. My personal EV experience over 2 years has been nothing but positive.
@Graham, it appears to me that most of the haters haven’t even driven an EV. Also the fact that ICE vehicle drivers park in EV charging bays is an indication of their mentality.
I dont actually buy into the overall cost of ownership comparison, its not realistic. Many people dont buy a car and keep it until its life expires so EVs have to compete with ICE vehicle costs based on real length of ownership and that means over 3 and 4 years which is typically the length of time many people who lease or buy brand new cars have them for.
Funny i paid just over £1800 for my petrol Porsche and just £960 for Tesla Model 3 Performance. I also pay £740 a year road tax for Porsche, but £0 for Tesla. Can you try a bit harder?
@@borinvlogs Don't have to try. You do know some insurers refuse cover, don't you? Yours clearly hasn't caught up yet. How's about a Porsche £600 increased to £3100. Is that hard enough?
Thomas Edison and Henry Ford said North American is to big for a city shopping cart,cities in Canada are banding EV sales ,the electrical grids needed to be up graded,two to three years to up grade.
It's sad but as you said at the end of your video, it's something new and scary. Unfortunately your average person isn't interested nor do they care about facts. They don't watch RUclips videos or read articles about EVs, they watch headline grabbing programs like Jeremy Vine and read headlines in the Daily Fail. Keep fighting the good fight. I personally can't wait to get my first electric car. I just can't afford one (or an ICE) at the moment. 😕
It is easier just to accept that people are actually not as intelligent as they like to think they are. Life is occasionally complicated and it can take some intelligence and work, or to get to the bottom of what is the actual truth (i.e. facts and science). Given this countries recent history, (remember we are fed up with experts and it is easier to be elected by a slogan by the uneducated and ill informed public), nothing surprises me anymore. Thank you for putting together such a well informed video.
What do you think of this, a lady damaged her new car (6weeks) a Tesla, only slight damage to the battery but the insurance company scrapped the car as it's value had reduced by 30% in the 6 weeks and the cost of a new battery was £20K.
The idea that electric cars help the grid is nonsense. They do nothing to help balance the grid, that is done 24 hours a day by synchronous generators, generally fossil fuelled. As for the end user, i.e. the consumer who pays the highest rate per unit electrcity selling it back at an even higher price, or else why would he? And who pays for this, all consumers do. It is inefficient and another uncontrolled source of power that the grid operator does not need and will have little control over. We don't need storage, we need reliable and consistent generation. The very real problem, with the supply of power to electric vehicles, compounded by more and more heat pumps is a serious overload of teh loacl area network, i.e. the low voltage end of the grid. It is not designed or sized for the sustained relatively high load of charging and heating.
The car park thing is truly desperate. My Tesla model 3 is only about 2 passengers heavier than my old Audi A4 - so presumably car parks have to count how many passengers and heavy objects in the boot. On the cobalt issue you forgot to mention that the use of cobalt for batteries is only a smaller fraction of total world use. Among many other applications. it's used in alloy steel production and - ironically - in oil refining as a catalyst when producing petrol/ diesel. That somehow never gets mentioned by fossil fuel lobby. I wonder why?
Great video. I had 2 people today going on alarming about electric cars and much of what they said was myth. Anyway ice cars have their own minor environmental problems! Happily I was parked next to a man with another electric car and we were sharing how much we love them!
There's still a fundamental resistance to change, people hook on to reasons to justify that. As a lover of petrol cars and bikes I fully understand. However my Skoda Enyaq will finally be delivered in less than 2 weeks. Great video. Thanks!
@@chriscowell5550 There are plenty of justifiable reasons not to change to EVs. The biggest problem with that is EV owners are a bit like ex-smokers, because they've given up they think everybody else should too and refuse to listen to any comments against them, facts or not.
Assuming it actually makes production, my Aptera should be here by 2025. Hopefully the EU/UK versions will be fully built by CPC in Modena, where all Aptera body structures are being made from carbon fibre, and my first trip will be to bring it back home to Durham, a trip of around 1200 miles if I take the opportunity to go to visit friends in Karlsruhe, crossing the Alps via Grossglockner Pass (so that would be some time after May 2025, when the road is free of snow). Just need a decent route planner that does the same in EU as Zap-Map does in UK. Now, if EVs are being subjected to FUD from the fossil-fuel industry puppets, you want to hear what *some EVers* say about why having an SEV in north England will be useless because it's just a land filled with thick fog and rain, where the sun avoids shining, blah-diddley-blah. The regular sceptics can't seem to comprehend the design of the vehicle, so never get as far as the solar capture side of it all...
As electric car chargers use grid power a percentage of this power comes from carbon creating power stations the electric car is not carbon neutral..........
It's fairly obvious that Nanny state will eventually decide that meatsacks are too wreckless to drive cars and enforce self driving cars upon an unwilling public. Fortunately I'll be long gone along with my beloved gas guzzling Jag which I'll never replace with a souless box of microchips
People I know that have bought electric cars have all regretted it, range anxiety, lack of charging points, length of time to charge, cost of electricity, range not as good as manufacturers say and even worse in cold weather, to name a few, Plus the initial cost which is higher than petrol or diesel models
I love mine. I bought it after speaking to a couple of neighbours who had also bought fully electric and had had them for a few years. One neighbour did say he wished he'd bought the model with the larger battery but overall he was very pleased (I took his advice and only looked at larger batteries). I payed a few more thousand than the petrol equivalent and assuming difference between electric/petrol prices remain about the same, if I keep this car for the same amount of time as my old car (16 years) I will have saved more in fuel than the whole of the cost of the car. Both Octopus and Eon do a really good overnight price for electric for EV owners. We haven't really tested the range yet though.
I am in Canada and I occasionally fact check things about EVs, but I have never heard that amount of garbage come out of the mouth of a "journalist", with regards to electric vehicles. I truly hope that the show this person was on is not a popular one. I am glad to see you put this video out and will share it on my Facebook page since I have a fairly high percentage of viewers from the UK. Thanks for making this.
Im still laughing well done Electrifying your facts are spot on I have been driving my Kona electric 64 kWh since 2018 I have never had problems charging away from home that is until September last year when I visited a charger at the Holiday inn Gloucester there were 2 people queueing so having done my homework I knew there were 2 instavolt chargers 1/2 mile away when I arrived both were free no problems charging did a trip to Bristol from Milton Keynes found 2 Chargers were faulty eventually found one outside a pub Restaurant There is no doubt that the infrastructure is creaking more needs to be done EV drivers need to do a bit of homework before they set of on long trips I normally have 3 options keep up the good work ps still laughing.
You talk about charging as if everyone has the facilities. Such as a drive. How many houses in the UK have a drive. What about terraced houses, flats, luxury apartments.
Well, your progressive California Governor tells electric vehicle owners NOT to plug their cars during the summer/hot days because the electric power grid is unsupportive to all. Please, drive whatever you want, just don't force people to do your bidding. All politicians don't want people to use Petro, yet fly around the world in Petro powered planes to their environmental conferences when they can Zoom.
I think Jeremy Vine should invite you guys on the show. I’d happily be on the end of my phone to take a call if they wanted to speak with a very experienced EV owner too. Nice work guys! We’ve all heard this utter tosh too many times for narrow minded people who have likely never owned an EV.
The range and trying to charge points are valid. Four double pumps on a forecourt can fill cars with little queueing, but how many charge points would you need to deal with Christmas and summer queues (please allow for total idiocy on the part of the public.) and since most will be idle for 90% of the year someone is going to pay for that, and the electricity doesn't come at the same price as your domestic supply. And that brings us to: I live in rural Wales, the electricity supply isn't good and Western Power have admitted the the infrastructure is old. Another point is where are all the people who park on street in cities going to charge their cars? And finally the cost of buying one, and the second hand value when the battery is getting near replacement. Our 27 year old Landcruiser will run on for a few years yet, and when we've finished with it it'll probably be shipped to Africa, where it will go on for even longer. Can't say that for an EV!
I am from Alberta Canada, living on a farm 30 Km from the nearest town. We get winter from Nov -Mar...Dec ,Jan will get to -35 C and even cooler every year for many many days ...how do electric vehicles handle prolonged cold weather.
43,000 miles in an Audi eTron 55 over 22 months. Best car I've ever had, I don't take any note of any of this nonsense, prefer to form my opinion based on my own experience rather than listen to some guy who seems to have no experience of real life use of an EV
Biggest con was 'Buy diesel cars' that went well, many people did and they are now vilified for it
I brought a diesel when they said the particulates were heavier than air so not a threat to the environment they must have got that info from the university of Chris twittie
They told us that we should buy a log burner because it's ozone neutral because when the tree is alive it sucks in carbon and saves the planet
That info must have come from the valance institute of miss information
Yep...and the latest one is that AI exists. It DOESN'T exist. There is no intelligence when it is all pre-programmed. It cannot make it's own decision.
And you will be conned even more with EV. Now you just hand over even more control of you life.
Diesel cars till beat ev- car sin almsot every category you muppet 🤣🤣 and diesel cars aren't that good for the environment either
Might be vilified but they are better off.
Jeremy Vine hosted a similar programme on BBC Radio2, full of guff and inaccuracy . Quentin Wilson a very experienced motoring journalist was a guest and did a fantastic job of tearing through the BS and pointing out all the fallacies while not shying away from the challenges.
That makes Vine even worst, be been told this is all nonsense an yet still spreading this nonsense.
Vine did same on covid…
@@DavidKnowles0 Vine is the Daily Mail of the Radio, and that's the insult its meant to be.
@@johnharcombe9412 the same see
This electrifying video is also biased by playing down comparisons.
For example at 7:00 he says electric is heavier to comparable petrol/diesel, not by much. If you take the volvo comparison of their comparable EV versus petrol the electric is over 300kg heavier than the petrol. That's the weight equivalence of having five(60kg) permanent passengers when empty. 'not by much' ?
Is this a case of calling out the inaccuracies only to spread your own biases?
The biggest problem with (battery)electric cars is that the technology is far less suitable for long range journeys compared to petrol/diesel cars. Carrying a huge(and heavy) battery that can power your household for over two days just to achieve a range of the lowest range comparable petrol car, is a problem. The problematic charging is an indication of the excessive battery required.
When guy was talking about invention of electric vehicles he meant this sudden urgency from governments to push for electric vehicles.
How many people believe that their government is there to represent ordinary people and not their rich buddies?
Nothing like twisting what someone said though is there, and your spot on 10 years ago the Diesel engine was the new clean revolution. What do we think will happen when electric cars fall out of favour in the next 10 years?? Got to do 70000 miles before you break even on the extra Co2 to produce the electric car in the first place. FACT from Volvo, not me. Like most people here I know nothing about cars, other that a V8 sounds bloody good!!!
@@pipedreamtv9697 Volvo have sold the EV division (polestar) to it's Chinese ex-partner. Volvo are not stupid.
If electric cars are so good why do they need government intervention to become established. As far as I know no government government intervention has been required for petrol stations or car purchase.
Lol, no reply as they don't have an answer to a FACT!
@@stevecoinitin7521 What "Fact" is this? Probably because petrol and diesel are well-established and therefore people are sluggish to change?
I had a Peugeot 206E up until last year. Got rid of it because it would do half the miles it was supposed to do and every time I went to go and charge it there was a problem with the chargers I ended up trading it in for fiesta hybrid, the charging infrastructure just isn't there yet and it won't be for another 10 years or so. Getting charge at the moment can be hard enough but so imagine what it's going to be like when more than 50% of the population are driving. EVs.
the infrastructure will never be there part of the plan to destroy the good honest (plebs) ppl
Tesla is opening up their chargers, never had an issue charging a Tesla - but did have issues with a Mercedes EQC. I do agree the infrastructure needs more work, but rather than go back to gasoline, a lot of people go for a Tesla.
Unfortunately many new owners to EV’s do not realise there is a difference in manufacturers quoted figures and real world figures for EV’s also summer and winter makes a difference. It’s a shame they do not seem to complain about the mileage figures quoted for Fossil fuel vehicles in the same way. I have never purchased a fossil fuel vehicle that could match the mileage figures quoted for it at Dealership. Should I have sold them because of it?
As to the infrastructure I would have to agree, it simply is nowhere near where it needs to be but it is slowly getting there, problem is it’s too slow. Where I stay the amount of public chargers has more than doubled in the past couple of years but still way behind where it needs to be.
It is not unusual for many Owners to be like myself and very rarely use the public network. My EV has a high range and most of my driving is local so charging at home is what I do 99% of the time. Even when I do travel away for weekend I may need a public charger but more than not my car can achieve our away journey without the need for a charge before returning home. ( we travel in excess of 270mls in a weekend) having the public charging network is required but not every EV user will use it often but it still needs to be there.
Absolutely correct this is the reality!
Is the fiesta 'self charging' as advertised or are you having to put petrol in it to make it work?
Surprised you only managed to get 100 miles out of the Peugeot, must have a very heavy right foot and be slamming the brakes on to avoid getting any regen
Who’d have thought that Vine and his show would intentionally spread misinformation!!! Imagine the shock.
This misinformation is meant to overpower the valid arguments against the EV religion out there
I’m just amazed he didn’t have his face nappy on when spreading his lies (again)
Yes. I have 0 Zero desire for a EV /AV Anxiety Vehicle.
@@zoobrizz Okay, Glad to know.
@@bensmith5707 the man is a waste of time and space, made the mistake of listening to his so called show once, never again. A cheap way of filling a programme with similar idiots phoning in. Truly awful programming. Unless you are grovelling to him on his bike then forget it.
We live in a rural hilly area and even my wife's electric bike does only half the quoted mileage. Local electric drivers also quoted loosing another 15% of distance during the cold snap + a lack of fast chargers make it harder to justify running an electric car in rural areas.
It's almost like life is full of situations where you have to take all the pro's and con's, weigh them up and make an informed decision isn't it?
Rent a Tesla for a week and do a road trip in it (even if you don't intend to ever buy a Tesla), it's the best way to dispel all these myths you keep clinging too to stop yourself taking the EV plunge. I've driven 1000 mile a day road trips in freezing conditions clear across America and Canada, there are challenges for sure, and you are smart enough to solve them.
@@brushlessmotoring But here in the UK the price of electricity has hit record highs and still set to keep going up a lot more. And who can actually afford to buy an electric car, only the wealthy, people in high paying jobs, so an awful lot of people here in the UK won't be able to afford to own a car anymore in the near future, unless the price of electric cars and electricity comes down a lot
@@fredatlas4396 it was a temporary price spike due a rise in natural gas prices, and EV prices are coming down, with Tesla reducing their prices, and cheaper EVs coming into the UK from Asia, which in turn will lower the used market. I don’t disagree it’s expensive for now, but it won’t always be like that, EVs are much simpler, and have the potential to be much cheaper to buy. They are already much cheaper over a short span of time. UK charging has to get better though, it’s very spotty and unreliable at the moment.
there is a thing called regen that recoups some energy when going DOWN the hill, rural area pah, don't you have electricity there ?? Most EV's can see more than 200 miles.
They literally had to ask people in California not to charge their cars because the grid couldn't cope with the demand. This is only the beginning what about when everyone has them
So you've watched this correction video and decided to ignore what the National Grid guy said. The very person who works for the very grid that you think will collapse.. I guess you know something he doesn't, I mean, he only works there.
@@mev202 So, when is national grid actually going to increase capacity? Right now it's nowhere near capable.
Remember things like World/Eufa football matches/Wimbledon etc when national grid asked people not to put the kettle on all at the same time?
A kettle, 2kw for 5 minutes, not an EV at 7kw for 8 hours.
No need to worry mate. 'when everyone has them' not going to happen.
Come to Australia...largest market input of rooftop solar PV, batteries being taken up also. I charge my EV for free every other day. With PV/battery. As for grid falling over, there is so much solar input energy companies have floated idea of turning off solar input on sunny days in summer as as to not overload the grid with free energy. As for RV range anxiety 2 years ago I drove it 2400kms and learned range anxiety is B's if you plan the trip. E V's now driving around Australia using existing charging infrastructure.
One aspect I don't hear anyone talk about is in times of disasters when the power is cut for days and weeks. Electric cars are utterly useless. It's diesel and petrol vehicles that do all the work necessary to rescue and rebuild infrastructure. Good luck using your electric when it's had no charge for the duration.
Don't petrol stations use electricity to actually pump their fuel out?
@@slimsshady1951 Yes, but could easily be run off a commercial diesel generator, where as EV charging stations, especially the higher wattage newer ones would be a real struggle to power more than a few.
Yes, of course I believe everything you two tell us.
for sure they know much better than anybody else :). We don't have enough electricity production. And EV sales are not going well at all actually. VW scaled down their EV production because of lack of demand. But these "self-absorbed" liberals know better for sure... These people are the reason we are in such a horrible mess... Can we get normal people into power, please?
Nap time.
Love this. If we could rewind time to when the first combustion engines came out I bet you would find the same thing. Horse Owner "Well you can't find any fuel for your car where as my horse just eats grass and there's lots of that about"
Yep, the funny part is that the anti EV brigade say that there are no chargers while posting such comments from a device charged from domestic power.
(Yes yes I realise that not everyone can home charge at present but there's plenty of electricity about.)
Except back then cars were not been forced onto horse owners
@@MikeHarveyPhoto No one is forcing car owners either. You can still have ICE motors, they just won't build any new ones.
@@MikeHarveyPhoto - Who's forcing you to buy an EV? That's problem with people like you, you constantly spout BS.
@@MikeHarveyPhoto I don’t think anyone in their right mind would want to buy a non electric car in 7 years time. You’d be hard pressed not to buy electric right now.
I'm not sure you could expect anything factual from many TV and Newspaper journalists and that programme is no different! Research just isn't on their agenda because they would be unable to sensationalise their stories. Sadly, however, there is a very large proportion of the population believe them. Please keep up your excellent work (and research!) Videos such as this should be made widely available (perhaps on the Jeremy Vine Show!😃)
Sadly it is true that electric vehicles is a con.
You have to realize that our grid not able to cope with even half of citizens driving electric. And funny thing is that nothing is done to improve grid. Have you seen any improvements going on now?
Another point is what do we burn to get electricity? UK restarted 2 coal plants to keep us going. Another coal plant is in plans.
One more thing. Efficiency of electric vehicles. From the source of electricity to the wheels you have around 14 to 17 percent left.
One thing that can save us is nuclear power plants that are cleanest and cheapest source of electricity but that means going to russians since rosatom is nr1 company in the world to build safest and cheapest nuclear power plants.
So the whole world is wrong and only EV fan boys are right ?
Rubbish EV's abd their infrastructure are being found out as an inferior alternative to what went before, end of !
that’s right! So keep supporting Ukraine just like the TV and media tell you
This is the same guy that called a plant-based burger “luscious and lovely” in a blind taste test, then “cardboard” when it was revealed.
Sausage sandwich not a burger
vine is in denial wink wink
That was interesting. I do not have an EV, we are a 3 car household and one motorcycle, all petrol. I have a lot of friends and neighbours who have EVs. So I asked them to watch this video and comment. Not ONE would buy another EV (or get one as a company car on contract). Those with Hybrids would not buy another one. Every one of them laughed at some of the things you say (claim). Those that had bought their own EV say it was the worst decision they had ever made. Breakdowns, constantly in the dealer for repair. Price cuts at the dealer instantly knocking thousands off the resale value of their car. Massively expensive insurance. Charging points never working, or only working at a trickle, and priced at stupidly high prices. ALL of my neighbours have now purchased an ICE powered car as backup, a few parking the EV on the drive for local trips only. My next door neighbour's Ford hybrid now only goes 6 miles on a full overnight charge, and Ford are refusing her warranty claim, so she drives it only as a petrol car. No, I am sorry, but the argument for EVs has been lost, and bleating like you are doing here is just making matters worse. At the end of the day, it is my money I will be spending, and it will not be on an EV. Consumers are a canny bunch, and we can smell a rat from a mile away.
Just done a guick check and the average family sized electric car is 1940kg compared to a family sized diesel car of 1360kg. Thats a considerable difference to your claim.
There should be some fact checking on sensationalist shows, to stop them saying it's our guest's opinion so we can broadcast things that are not true. Either have an on screen warning like RUclips with Covid or 5 mins at the end for an informed response. The I-Pace man seems just to have done it for publicity, and some lapped it up without thinking that a very odd way to operate and choose that particular EV.
What will be Jeremy Vine's reaction when someone shares with him the fact that Cobalt is used in refining gasoline? Will he then tell us we should get rid of ICE vehicles? Fun Fact: The cobalt from a battery can be recovered and reused after the battery's end of life, the cobalt used in refining is simply consumed.
Indeed Alex. The oil industry in the largest users on mined minerals on the planet, bar none. I believe *some* of the cobalt used in refining can be recovered, but I doubt it would be 90% as it is with battery recycling......
AFAIK the cobalt in refining is used as a catalyst, so it is not just consumed, but mostly reused over and over. That being said, oil industry is clearly not under pressure to source the cobalt from ethical sources, unlike EV manufacturers.
Jeremy Vine rides a bike, no cobalt used on cycles ? Unlike the cobalt mined to make batteries in the Congo by children who risk their lives every day.
If you buy an EV with an LFP battery (they are the cheapest and the safest) there is zero cobalt used. Many of the Teslas and most of the Chinese made EV's use LFP batteries. Their main drawback is a lower energy density but there is a new LFP battery chemistry called LMFP which adds manganese to the mix and this addresses that issue.
@@stevezodiac491 are you suggesting that metal bike frames aren't a product of smelting?
Guys I hope this video wasn’t made to push electric cars as the answer to our transportation woes ? Because you certainly haven’t convinced me, A substantial percentage of our vehicle driving population live in flats with no means of charging an electric vehicle which will always continue to be the hurdle that will never be achieved in our generation, and I’m pretty sure that is a fact ! The fact that the infrastructure isn’t there to support a growing number of electric vehicles questions itself whether the manufacturers themselves ever saw this as being the answer to the replacement of combustion engine vehicles surly ? My prediction is combustion engine vehicles will live on for many many years yet and the 2030 thing will be pushed back.
There's something that nobody ever mentions and I suppose a lot of people don't understand... probably the people to whom a car is just as interesting as a washing machine is to me. Its a thing that serves a purpose, to get to work and back and no more. But I enjoy driving my car. There are some who would shake their head in disbelief to hear that sometimes i drive it just for the sake of driving it and not specifically to go somewhere. I have motorbikes too, purely for fun. No, really! Some of us don't want an electric car. I have a v6 engined car. I love the sound it makes. I love that if I need to fill it up it takes about 3 minutes and not an hour or whatever. Not to mention that not everyone has a driveway to charge it at home and would need to find a charger somewhere else. I don't want the choice of what I drive taken away from me. If you can justify the mining for minerals and the drain on the grid and the wasted time it takes to recharge the thing and can live with the range anxiety every time you go for a long drive, scared to put the heated seats on as it reduces your range then fine, thats your choice and I have no issues with that but I wish someone would realise that the ICE is not the cause of all that is wrong in the world and maybe synthetic petrol or hydrogen power is a real alternative for when oil finally runs out. And tell me this, how will the government replace the billions of pounds they currently rake in from fuel duty?
Loved this video. Unfortunately, Jeremy Whine is very good at whipping up rhetoric to fit his anti car agenda, whatever their fuel source, and will always find the headline grabbing worst case scenario rather than focus on the vast majority who have a positive experience.
Thanks for your support, we'll keep doping our fact checks.
You don't mean he is a cyclist nazi, I had no idea 😅😅😅
How shocking. Grumpy old man doesn’t like change and makes up B.S. talking points rather than learn something new. I’m so surprised!!!
@@Electrifyingcom doping... 🤣
@@Electrifyingcom Would you please 'fact check' who your financial backers are ?
To add some further information on the Tebay queuing on the 27th December, I was there earlier in the day and it was somewhat of a perfect storm.
1. Only the southbound side of Tebay has Tesla chargers, so it has cars from both directions stopping there.
2. It has the older V2 chargers which load share between pairs, so essentially when two cars parked next to each other, they will only draw a max of 60-65kW.
3. Tebay is a destination stop. Many people like to stop there for a meal regardless of whether they actually need to stop to charge.
4. There is quite a long distance between Tebay and any other superchargers when heading south, so it usually makes sense to stop there.
5. Contrary to comments in the video, older Model S and X can only rapid charge at V2 Tesla superchargers, unless they have had the CCS conversion. So they can't really just go somewhere else.
All of the above combined with a massive amount more peak holiday traffic than usual made this inevitable. The simplest solution is just to add more charging capability here and at many more motorway service areas.
Living in the area, I personally wouldn't bother with Tebay. I'd use the two chargers in the main village car park in Shap, just off Junction 39 of the M6, as they don't see much use yet, despite being installed fairly recently. They are operated by Charge My Street, a local charge network based in North Lancashire.
Tebay have reacted by now going ahead with large planning expansion of chargers. They say the nearest town Penrith residence are being issued with candles at holiday weekends as they will have their power switch off to supply Tebay.
Excuses, Excuses, Excuses.
It's almost like there's never been a queue at a petrol station but obviously that's not a reason to ditch your ICE but a queue at an EV charger is!
@@matthewnightingale4675Your right wait until theres a petrol shortage again Oh my god! The queues the queues I cant sleep! Thinking about the queues and I run a petrol at the moment, Have i mentioned The queues oh my god! Have a good one.
I can’t wait for how quiet it’s going to be on the UK roads with 75% of ice drivers saying that they don’t intend to buy an electric car by 2030 and 52% say that they will never buy an electric car. 🎉
It won't be much difference. Most noise now is tyre noise, other than a few boy racers in their fart cans.
Good riddance to them
@@djtaylorutube by quiet I mean amount of traffic not the sound. As the clunkers go to the scrapyard and the owners vowing never to buy an electric car. I’m assuming they will walk, cycle and bus it. I gave up trying to convince the dinosaurs long ago, a complete waste of breath.
@@garrycroft4215 Yes I see what you mean. I'll still take my V8 classic car out on a few sunny days though (
it’s going to be like Cuba.
Another point is, if we were all to convert to EV's over the next 5 years....
The Fuel tax the Gov. raid from Ice drivers, that would shrink to nothing, so you know what they will do?
Yes, of course, the Energy companies will get an increasingly bigger tap on the shoulder from Mr Gov., saying, hmm, it's time for another tax rise......I'm sure you're customers won't mind the higher bills!
My faithful old 1990 VW Passat still has its original 1.6 Turbo intercooled diesel engine and came as standard with a 25+ gallon fuel tank. At a steady 60mph it does 55mpg. This gives a range of 1375 miles between fill ups, that's also nearly 23 hours of non stop motoring if i could stay awake that long.
My satnav tells me my home here in the Black Country, West Midlands is
1154 mikes from Warsaw.
1209 miles from Budapest.
1310 miles from Kosovo.
1315 mikes from Stockholm.
1359 miles from Naples.
Any destinations above are achievable on one tank of diesel, and without any need to stop for fuel.
All that said, if I could have purchased a current modern electric car back in 1990 instead of my Diesel VW Passat, how many sets of batteries would i have gone through in the past 33 years? Even if a set lasted 10 years I'd now be on my 4th set. So, 33 going forward, how many of the currently available electric cars will still be on the road in 2056 to run alongside my old Passat which will still be cruising along at 60mph.
You don't say the mileage of your old Passat, just it's age.
How many fuel injectors, glow plugs, fuel pumps, leads, gearboxes, engine internals, fuel filters, air filters, oil filters, oil, coolant changes, drive shafts, CV joints and gaiters, exhausts, exhaust boxes, starter motors, alternators, hydraulic systems and pumps?
Diesel is way more expensive than electricity for a vehicle.
There are solar power roof tiles, your whole roof can be a solar powered charger. This system can have storage batteries recycled from old vehicles to store the power. The very famous they RUclipsr Marques Brownlee has done this with a new Tesla roof and battery installation. It powers his car, home, kitchen, heating, cooling, everything. Zero power from the grid
Very soon it will be affordablev for everyone to have their own solar power and storage without the need for very costly petrol or diesel.
We are seeing Dirty Oil fighting for its survival.
Used electric cars are below £3k. Cost less than 2p/mile on cheap electricity.
We just need to keep the scum away from owning our electricity services.
How many tonnes of CO2 and NOX have you made as a result!
I've just got myself an electric car & there's so many benefits to it.
I'm just happy to be away from petrol stations.
If you need a longer charge lead James, try Screwfix. Theirs aren't badly priced. I was lucky, I got a secondhand 10 metre one for longer trips, just in case I find an ICE car parked on a charger. But Screwfix have new ones....
I've always liked petrol stations, love the smell of fuel lol
@@Markcain268 I never liked paying fuel duty, after I had *already* paid tax on my earnings. I always felt that stunk.
@@Brian-om2hh I'm the same with insurance, never claimed in 35 years yet i still have to pay it!
@@Markcain268 More insurance companies are starting to refuse cover on EV's, and the rest are charging more.
HMRC have already stated EV's will be taxed from next year.
Couple of other important points:
1) Tyre particulates despite being a bit nasty are NOWHERE NEAR as nasty as those particulates from the exhaust of a modern direct injected petrol or deisel car (which now have to have speciic particulate filters fitted into their exhaust systems to catch these particles because they are so injurous to our health). Wearing a rubber tyre down makes big, heavy particles, that yes, might be washed into our rivers and ecosystem (not good) but are these particles not nearly small or light enough to get into our blood stream via our lungs. You cannot compare an exhaust soot particle (small, light, cancerous) with a tyre particle, either by mass, number or volume.
2) BEVs wear their tyres less despite being on average a bit heavier because they don't slip those tyres as much! Tyre wear is not really caused by the tyre rolling over the road, but by it being dragged over the road, ie slipping across the surface. This is why if you drive aggressively or spin your tyres, they wear out very quickly indeed. An electric traction motor is so much softer on a tyre, unlike for an Internal combustio engine because it has practically no torsional vibration (changes in driving torque with rotation, caused in an ICE by each piston firing individually) and becuse the drive torque can be controlled in a much finer way (Drive torque in a BEV is typically controlled 1,000, yes ONE THOUSAND times per second, compared to 3, yes THREE times a second for a vehicle with an ICE. This is also why they accelerate so quickly because they have very good traction btw.
3) Materials used to make a battery are not in any way distroyed by that battery being used. Even if we dig up some Colbalt in the worst possible way, we now have that colbalt for ever. Oil extraction of course is a definite one-way process, nothing can be recovered or reused, and oil extraction is almost certainly the dirtiest single thing we do a a species.
Diesel . Capital 'D' and spelled correctly .
@@chasleask8533 I think he maybe once owned a Diesel car! And now feels really bad about himself! So bad he can't even bring himself to spell the horrific word!
@@chasleask8533 In my childhood, I figured out how to spell the name, by remembering that the first four letters spell 'Dies'. That was decades before the dangers of particulates were being discussed.
In the future there will be four types of car drivers fossil fuel /ev/ex ev/and the sadest ev drivers trapped in negative equity because the debt out weighs the true value of the car .
1. As you said, particulate filters are fitted to vehicle to collect the nasty particles from cars and make a vast difference so you've rendered your own point invalid. Experts are now saying that particulates from tyres are now the biggest problem we face. They're not just made of rubber but all kinds of additional materials, including dangerous chemical substances abound, silicates, synthetic rubbers, Carbon Black, polymers, elastomers, and yes fabric and wire. Natural rubber is now probably one of the smallest ingredients in a modern car tyre. EV tyres have even more materials in them for sound deadening purposes so please don't dismiss how potentially hazardous they may be.
2. Wear is a tricky subject because every car and every driver is different. A lot of what you said is true, but rear tyres do not turn so are always being dragged unless you're driving in a perfectly straight line. EV tyres may not wear as quick but thar's offset because they contain more materials in the first place. Faster acceleration will always wear a tyre faster, it's easy to spin the wheels on an EV such as a Tesla 3 because of the high torque levels right from zero mph, but start factoring torque in and it gets very difficult.
3. There are lots of things that used oil can be used for these days, including more lubricant products, again it's a huge and complex subject but we must not lose sight of the fact that oil is used for countless products, not least the production of tyres and plastics, most of the things you'll find in a car, and for lubricating the machinery that does everything from manufacturing the car parts, to painting it, to delivering them.
There's a sort of misconception that the oil rich nations would be screwed if we stopped using ICE cars and switched to EVs but nothing could be further from the truth. There is an endless list of things that rely on oil and switching the entire world to EVs would barely scratch the surface of what we use. That's one of the major issues for me, the hype is leading people to believe that by buying an EV they're helping to save the planet but the reality is so far away from that, it's almost laughable to even suggest it.
I'm an American and love driving my Tesla. Thanks for entertaining us with shows like this. What a Bell End this guy is. Hilarious. Actually this hyperbole is essential to slow the disruption. As EV sales go up 40% we face real challenges with batteries, grid supply, home charging and politics. The FUD tends to slow it down a bit for the meek minded so that tech can develop at the breakneck speed required. Thanks for the laughs and the balanced mindset.
Bell end? You're the one driving Tesla. :D
@@zasadacrew how does Tesla = bell end? A car says very little about your personality unless you bought the car for reasons other than transport. Eg Lamborghini.
@@matthewdilks2677 , overpriced poor quality product. Better buy Chinese ev, cheaper and better quality. :)
@@zasadacrew Tesla quality was an issue. Not really anymore. But that’s irrelevant, how does using a Tesla make you a bell end.
@@matthewdilks2677 , if you don't get it then I can't help you.
EVs are not about "saving the planet." They are all about limiting your ability to Travel.
Nonsense. If the aim was to limit people's travel, they could do it anytime by limiting the times you could buy petrol, along with the amount you could have. I never heard anything so ridiculous... What would the benefits to the government be of limiting people's travel?
There are some issues with EVs:
-They work quite well in moderate-climate countries like the UK. EV battery packs like temperatures that are basically comfortable for humans. But if you operate an EV in a very cold weather country or a very hot weather country the advertised range of the EV drops dramatically. Like 30% or more.
-You already have all the infrastructure in place to service ICE vehicles. Gas stations, mechanics, oil change places etc. So you will have to install a lot of charging stations for these EVs. Great if you own a home and can charge your EV at night when power rates are cheaper but not everyone has their own home. So where are they going to charge up their EVs?
- A lot of vehicle owners are DIY on their vehicle maintenance. Oil changes, brakes, sparkplugs, CV joints, suspension work etc. The issue with an EV is the battery pack in many cases is a very high voltage, like 300 volts. Make a mistake and that 300 volts will kill you. Plus I can get parts easily for let's say a Toyota Corolla or Camry. Original or aftermarket at reasonable prices. Try doing that for a Tesla or newly manufactured EV. The price for parts for EVs is nuts. Then there is the cost to replace that battery pack which will eventually need replacement. Remember that is not generally a DIY project for most people. You would need gloves rated a 1000 volts, plus gloves on top of them. How much for a Tesla battery pack,$25,000-$30,000. After 12 years how many will just end up in a junkyard?
-The population is ageing and frankly, you drive a lot less when you're retired. EV batteries like to be charged, drained and recharged regularly or their lifespan is less. But if I buy a very fuel-efficient 4cyl ICE vehicle I basically don't have that issue to deal with.
-The Toyota hybrid system is very reliable. So if I buy a hybrid I don't have issues with charging it, range anxiety, and the brakes regenerate electrical power back to the battery. If there was a major power blackout you could actually power your home with a plug-in hybrid.
- EVs may not have tailpipe emissions but how is the electrical power being created to power that EV. In some countries like China, it's coal. So how would that save the planet? Then there is the little thing EV proponents don't like to talk about. The fact is that converting the world to EVs would require a 1000% increase or more in mining for all the metals and materials needed to manufacture those battery packs. All mining pollutes especially water sources.
-Then there is the price of an EV. Not cheap! They are unaffordable for many people. I realize that in the UK and EU countries gasoline/diesel fuel is ridiculously taxed so that makes it more attractive to have an EV to avoid being financially raped by high fuel taxes. But once enough people buy EVs governments will miss the tax money from fossil fuels and implement a road tax on EVs.
-A lot of new EVs are just now hitting the market. Just from past experience new vehicle models generally have problems. So do you want to buy a problematic vehicle?
-Toyota is working on solid-state battery packs. They claim to have solved the massive power drain on solid-state batteries in cold weather. Range 300 miles and recharge in 10 minutes. I think that just might be a game-changer for EVs if they can do it. Plus solid-state batteries are smaller/lighter than lithium batteries. Bet you they initially put them into their hybrid vehicles.
“Electric cars are the biggest con trick inflicted on society.” Actually the second biggest!
Hi Ginny (face of the VRA) - hope you’re good. Excellent video - whilst you are right that electric cars are brilliant ( and will get better ) - they still will not suit all - biggest issues remain charging points - both public and private if you don’t have a house with driveway/parking - the high cost of the cars restricting ownership away from the majority - and battery life - as with all batteries their capacity reduces as they get older - so range does too. My fear is that most of these cannot be resolved satisfactorily before 2030. Personally, I’ll stick with my petrol powered car for some time yet….
actually only the very first leafs had bad battery degredation - most modern ones don't.
@@peteygti1 Actually ALL batteries degrade over time.
@@markrainford1219 I said they don't have bad battery degradation which is true, they don't drop off as quick as perps think
@@peteygti1 They apparently degrade slower @ 1.8% per year compared to earlier EV batteries.
When I see a 12 year old small EV can do 600 miles in range when its degraded by 20%, I will say the have cracked it! We are seemingly years away from that!
My 1.25L Corsa diesel hits 600 miles on a full tank and does 1.4 miles mpg less than 16 years ago when it was new!
P.S. If you drive over something in an EV and damage the battery, it's almost certainly a new battery required!
Another reason I won't buy EV's!
I’m sure Jeremy Vine really looks forward to the day when he can pedal his push bike without breathing in all the crap from combustion engines.
Just as some people look forward to the day they can no longer hear the crap that pours out of Jeremy Vines mouth.
@@g7vqedave2 good point ,well put . 😆
@@g7vqedave2 🤣
time vine was put back in the closet
Nearly got run over by a silent EV today in a supermarket carpark. I saw him @ 8 yards away as I was slowly walking and turned my head right. He never saw me and kept his 10 - 12mph speed constant! Only me going on tip toes saved myself!
Should be mandatory the silent ones be fitted with some hideous sound, like the new ones.
Guess it's the superiority complex, EV owners have, as I usually experience in my diesel Corsa.
Too close behind me, time is money, I am an insignificant frustrating obstacle to them instead of being just another road user.
And that's me doing my usual maximum, the speed limit will allow! Bloody self interested menaces!
Anyway, keep up the good work in promoting rubbish!
EV's take about 12 times as long to fill up than an ICE car. If we are to avoid massive queues at charging stations, we'll need 12 times as many chargers than fuel pumps. And just where is all that electricity coming from? Windmills? What, when the wind isn't blowing? And we still have virtually zero storage.
45 minutes is a heck of a long time to refuel a car compared to 2 minutes for an IC car. And that;'s assuming you can find a working charger that isn't already in use.
This!
If you use one of the several apps now readily available, you don't have to "find" a charger that isn't being used. The latest apps can provide real time information regarding whether a particular charger is working, and if it's being used, how long the waiting time will be...... You won't fill an ICE car up in 2 minutes once fuel gets more difficult to source....
Apart from the use of cobalt, there is also an enormous amount of energy used in the sourcing, refining and transportation of fossil oil. It may be interesting to do an A-B comparison of how much energy goes into the production and provision of petrol/diesel vs electricity.
Well done for calling them out. Ask to be put on the show
Infastructure not there in UK for charging. Great if you can home charge (millions cannot, live in flats no drives etc) charge else where costs are more than petrol/diesel. My next car will be petrol maybe electric after that? have to be major improvements in quicker charging and easier charging.
I don’t think electric cars are a con trick but I don’t think they are in a state to be considered anything other than a second cars used as an about town runaround
Oh right. So I really shouldn't have undertaken that 400+ mile round trip I did a while back then?
What happens if the majority of cars in a multi story car park are evs, and one of them decides to go incendiary? As we all know an eV fire is virtually impossible to extinguish. Tyres will wear out faster as the cars are heavier. And if electric vehicles are so good then why were they superseded by petrol and diesel cars?
You mean like what happened at Luton? Oh .. wait ... that was a diesel car. 🤦♂🙄
A top manager at the national grid has said that for Britain to go all electric cars trucks buses trains Britain will have to build at a minimum another 2 nuclear power station on top of the one they are building at the moment at Hinckley point
That doesn't mean that extra demand will be met with actual nuclear power stations though - renewables are far cheaper and faster to add than nuclear, gas or coal, and the benefit of EV's is that they can be dynamically timed to charge when renewables are about to be curtailed, it's a perfect fit, as you don't have to put 500 km of fuel into an EV every day if you only commute 50 km, so in the future you could set your EV to wait for the cheapest electricity or lowest CO2/kWh.
And that new nuclear station at Hinckley is being built by - EDF.
@@brushlessmotoringrenewables can’t reliably power a modern economy.
Driving from Glasgow to Annecy as I do for holidays Tesla says it'll take 21hr 11 minutes Vs 16hr 25 minutes using Google maps for a standard car. 5 extra hours, not taking into account that I'm towing which will push up those charging times hugely. Then there is the small fact that none of the manufacturers makes an electric car that can tow my camper trailer!
I'll stick with my pickup!
Simple answer is to fit a better electric motor and tow a trailer full of extra batteries.
On the sensible side though, about 8 hours per day is the most time one should be behind the wheel .
That should allow 8 hours to rest or sleep at the very least. Time to charge those batteries.
I would stick to the pickup though.
@@midjehunt7424 8 hours to rest or sleep - but it will have to be at a charger (and most places only allow 2 hours).
Hello, in regard to the long queues at Tebay over Christmas can I say I was the guy in the red model 3 at the head of the queue, this was the second time only in 18 months I’ve ever queued. It did take ca. 4 hrs to wait - charge and go, however what’s not been mentioned was that there was a problem with the charge stations which during charging tended to deliver only 6 - 7 kw, or a charge rate of ca. 30 miles / hr hence the very long queue. Contrast this to a fully operative charge station that would have charged at ca. 400 miles per hr, or a 250kw station capable of 100 miles in ten minutes. Luddite’s make you smile - If you have a lack of understanding on a subject coupled with a biased view point you’re never going to deliver a balanced arguement - just sayin 😂
An hour for 400 miles ? Takes me 5 minutes to fuel up for 500 miles. Biggest difference is, my car didn't cost £40k +
There are now 9 rapid chargers at Tebay....
I want to ask, as a phev owner of 8years.. what happens when an ev or phevs battery is no longer fit for purpose.. because as I understand it, lithium's characteristics mean that over it's live it's capacity becomes greatly reduced as we have seen with out three cars.
Well degraded batteries can be used for home storage and when they degrade to much for that they can be recycled.
You two obviously can afford a Tesla. A lot of people can't so how will we get kids to school ,commute? If the UK converted to EV transport we would require: 207000,900 tons of cobalt,which is double the present production,264,000,600 tons of Lithium and 2,362,500 tons of copper ! That is just the UK.
You two are just mind-blowing!
Cobalt is the catalyst used in..... .... .... Oil refining. The largest use of Cobalt is Oil refinement for Petrol and diesel. Where it is consumed but in electric car batteries cobalt can be recycled.
Not fully recycled, but 90%. But can anyone show us a gallon of recycled petrol or diesel.
The cobalt used for refining is a catalyst so can be recycled if contaminated. No idea if they do that or they just buy more.
Parry has always been out to get the headlines and will say ANYTHING, to get them!!!
He reminds me of the people that once insisted that all these new fangled motor car things must travel at walking pace and to ensure it, make a man walk in front of them with a red flag to warn people of it's presence. The man is a Luddite.
How nice of you to gloss over the child labour and the polluted rivers caused by the mining of mineral's for car batteries. Electric cars are no greener and yes it is a con.
Jeremy Vine is well known for this type of thing. Can't listen to Radio 2 anymore. Why don't you both interview them on their facts. Keep up the good work.
But electric cars are a trick!
Nobody talks about the problem with how batteries are sourced?
We need more efficient public transport not more private cars.
Check this fact;
Practically NOBODY is buying a Battery E.V. for a personal vehicle at this point (Q3 /24)
because the £ depreciation £ is so immense , for cheap motoring they are unviable.
Add in the enormous extra insurance costs that are slowly being directed back to the payout cause (battery e.v. fires*)
and these cars become a toxic purchase.
Act as smug as you like but the average Brit. motorist is not mug enough to fall for it.
The market is the decider in who is right and it has decided current e.v. tech is not good enough.
* Felicity Ace, Freemantle Highway, Luton airport carpark, (that was a hybrid battery fire) that is a billion euro's worth just those 3 events, only an idiot would charge an e.v. inside their property.
Whilst I am enjoying my EV, I am thankful I charge from home over 90% of the time. The only long journey so far in 3 months resulted in the several hours wasted on public network. Briefly…. Outbound No 1 out of order, 2 plugged in ok to find then discover charger went offline, 3 was a 7 kWh(what a waste of time) no 4 at last! Homebound 1 busy …2 a 7kwh, no 3 at last. I was obviously naive to expect a seamless experience to charge the car. Also, why is a credit or debit card not sufficient? Lesson learnt, but inadequate network massively detracts from ownership experience to have to faff about factoring in ‘fuel’ stop(s) when there is no confidence the planned stop will be working.
This is what all the EV nuts on this thread don’t understand
That Tesla charger queue was over Christmas, just off a motorway, I think in Wales. Not seen any other queues for Tesla chargers, and Tesla cars will divert you to another location if the intended one is busy. And the Jeremey Vine show is just like a tabloid newspaper, majors on sensationalism and deserves to be on Ch 5!
According to Plug Life Television (ruclips.net/video/WMecU8rQgwQ/видео.html) it was Tebay Services in Cumbria, an older Tesla Supercharger with just 8 V2 150kW chargers which are only on the southbound side of the motorway and have to serve traffic in both directions. The café and farm shop there are also popular stops in their own right.
So it didn't happen then?
@@simonlongman4067 it did happen, but just like long queues for petrol, its a rare edge case, not every time, the longest I've had to wait was 5 minutes.
it was at Tebay in the Lake district, however there don't seem to be any pictures of ICE cars queueing during the fuel shortage...funny that. My smug face got a real workout lol. Vine is a moron, always has been
Thank you for talking sense. Jeremy Vines programme was a bit of an embarrassment. Owning an EV requires a level of common sense which the anti EV brigade don't seem to have. Keep up the good work.
You forgot huge patience, a mind field of APPS. the common sence you speak about where is that different to ICE owners
Also requires a level of wealth which many people don't seem to have lol
@@Markcain268 I changed by Diesel car for an EV for the very reason to save money and it is so much cheaper. The PCP payments are less than my monthly fuel bill used to be so it has worked for me, but I understand it doesn't work for everyone.
Yes. I have 0 Zero desire for a EV /AV Anxiety Vehicle. We went with A 2023 Prius Hybrid. 55 MPH 550 mile range.
@@zoobrizz 55 mpG maybe ?
there are hundreds of ev stuck on forecourts in America because they are not being bought and he same is starting to happen here. Actually Toyota is biggest car manufacturer in the world i believe not BMW and they are making strong efforts to stop battery fuelled cars and develope an alternative
If you add all the manufacturers together owned by VW, then surly they pass Toyota as the largest, either way it’s defiantly not BMW. He needs to get his FACTS right before FACTchecking other people.
Far to smug to be taken seriously. Wind power, 2% and that's as long as its not switched off because its too windy.
Time is the most valuable thing in a human's life and since owning an electric car and not having a home wall charger, I've wasted so much time trying to charge my car and sometimes finding others at the charge point when I get there.
Also the price of running them has doubled since last year.
So two of the things affecting me since my purchase.
His other points are invalid.
Conveniently forgot price increases of petrol.
@@matthewdilks2677 My hybrid car is currently running cheaper than my £52k electric car, which incidentally has also lost £9k in value in 5 months !!
The main thing that gets me is when I talk to people at work who are buying the FUD lock, stock, and barrel. My favorite is the notion that hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe (true) and can be easily sucked it out of the air and used. (not true) When I mention the massive energy demands of electrolysis and the huge amounts of carbon released in gas reformation, they just look at me like I just made that stuff up. I wonder if they know that they are working for the petrochemical industry.
Chris, I think we're well into the realms where there *are* paid "plants" from the oil industry. Big oil knows full well it's days of mega profits from oil are numbered. That's one of the reasons some of them are now sneakily getting into the renewable energy industry.
@@Brian-om2hh It's not unlike when the tobacco industry hired doctors to say that smoking was not just ok, but would actually improve your health. I think it always happens when a trillion dollar industry is threatened.
Yeah, I see a lot of 'Hydrogen will save us' nonsense too - not least from governments.
I wouldn’t go so far to say that hydrogen is useless, just not in cars.@@brushlessmotoring
@@brushlessmotoring Hydrogen boilers to heat homes are coming. Goodbye traditional natural gas.
Love your channel....obviously this chap hasn't done the research and never worked in the motor industry!
Thanks so much for your support!
Journalist's don't "work in the motor industry" either.
It's my understanding that some multistorey car parks are banning electric cars due to the fire risk. And before I get a rebuttal sating ICE cars also catch fire, yes, they do I know, however it’s not the fact that electric cars catch fire so much as the ferocity of the fire. The amount of toxic flammable gas that is produce by a faulty battery is terrifying, coupled with the domino effect of the other cells igniting results in the entire car been engulfed in no time. Not to mention the difficulty in putting the fire out. I have heard of some garages refusing to work on EV’s for the same reason.
Name 2 multi storey car parks banning electric cars. You can't......
@@Brian-om2hh I said ‘it was my understanding’ I didn’t say I knew of any specific multistorey carparks but I can point out underground ones that have straight-up banned EVs Why? Because those things are basically rolling chemical, firecrackers that could level a whole city block if they sneeze wrong. Meanwhile, the diesel engine is out here chugging away, saving the world-one puff of glorious black smoke at a time. LONG LIVE THE DIESEL ENGINE.
Bravo: you have managed to debunk irrelevant points while not tackling any critical issues.
Great video, and properly fact checked, which Jeremy Vine is not. Whenever I hear someone trot out these half truths and lies , I also get somewhat peeved. So Energy to drive an EV = Energy to refine fuel for the same journey! Fossil fuel also uses rare metals in production, and it's gone when burned. The National Grid reports clearly state that EV's are not the problem but part of the solution.
@Dave just think how much electricity will be saved when the fuel refineries start to cut back and eventually close.
Sure.I have 0 Zero desire for a EV /AV Anxiety Vehicle. We went with A 2023 Prius Hybrid. 55 MPH 550 mile range. And no Anxiety
We are not ready for electric cars! Most people cannot afford them or have nowhere to charge them. It is one big con!
Yet strangely, used EV's can be bought for sub £5k prices, and "most people's" homes have electricity connected to them....
I do agree with all the comments so far the only thing I would say, as someone who would dearly love an EV, what is the percentage of home in the UK with driveways that can charge at home. Next what is going to happen with all the cables trailing across the pavements,as it’s quite expensive to charge totally at charging points. I would love there to be a reasonable answer but at the moment I can’t see one.
We are in this situation, so yes we currently have to charge at public chargers. It's still cheaper than petrol, but, granted, not by much. It's a trade-off. Everyone needs to assess whether it's feasible for them or not, we both work from home so we can decide when to go for coffee and charge at the same time, I generally take my laptop and work there, quite nice actually.
As for cables on the pavement, there are more and more companies working with councils around the UK to provide solutions such as digging gulleys for the cable to run through, with a flap to go over so it's flat and not a hazard, it's also possible to place a ramp over the cable on the pavement, if your council allows you to, as you need to ask them first. Some councils (like ours!) may refuse by default, but you can challenge the decision as they have to provide evidence for their refusal. We've started the process.
Of course, the other issue is that you never get a guaranteed parking space on the road in front of your house, but in most residential streets, people know each other, and I am confident that our neighbours wouldn't mind moving their car if I needed the space a couple of nights a week. That's all an EV needs, there's no need to charge it every night.
13:00 You're talking like 8 hours to charge your car is a *good* thing. Whether it's 2 *days* from a home socket or 1 *day* from one of your special home chargers, you're missing the point. *Days!*
Not exactly much chop against 5 minutes at a Servo to fill up a petrol or diesel tank is it?
Admittedly the electric car is not a smart move right now, it is hitting us all hard in an already strapped for cash pockets, plus the supporting infrastructure just isn't there yet. The electric cars are causing problems on our motorways already as the brake down or run out of power. (You cant really pop on down to the garage for a can of electric to get you going again can you ) So when these electric vehicles sadly run out of power on our motorways in any of the live lanes then all emergency services have to respond to such to close that particular lane down while a recovery vehicle is brought in to recover the electric car. This has a knock on effect to businesses up & down the country as the delivery & transport infrastructure is pushed harder than it already is costing millions to the tax payers again & scary but true, we don't have anywhere near the amount of electric vehicles on our roads yet that the government would like to have, ciaos dooms..
Plus how do we dispose of these when they reach the end of their lives ?
It just has not been thought through properly !!
Electric cars produce of Smug!
These two are full of it Probably Gurdian readers .
Those that do charge from regular 220v socket are unlikely to drive enough daily to need a 100% charge. If you know you will need 100%, you charge earlier in the day and more. If long drive is unexpected, fast charging stations typically do a good job.
Sure, there are people who do lots of driving day to day like 300-500km but those people will likely install a wallbox at home.
Or buy an EV with the biggest battery to get the range they need 😃
A wallbox is no use if you can't park off-street, which is half the addresses in the UK.
Fun fact from a Swedish perspective:
my i3S needs during a warm winter at -12 around 20 kWh per 100 km, which nets me at best 200 km (I needed to charge at 170 km this time). That would be an estimate of 40 kWh and 200 km, at a cost of 40*8,5= 340 SEK.
Compared to my equally good Polo that sips petrol around 5,4L=100 km that is 10,8L. 10,8L*19= 205 SEK.
Sooo I pay more for electricity than petrol, and I needed to charge for 45 minutes due to what I guess was a cold charger. Now tell my why I should even bother with this nonsense? I´m not, i´m actually returning my i3S in april then I won´t be touching an EV till we get our infrastructure pricing in order.
And the facts are if we only had electric cars then we couldn't run them all people would be lining up for half a day to charge them just to do any long journey and most importantly if there was a lockdown all cars could be switched off without owners consent.
The fact is there is no infrastructure to charge them all that's that's fact
What complete and utter nonsense. Around 16'000 new public charging connections were installed during 2023 alone. There are now almost 60'000 of them in the UK, with an estimated 400'000+ privately owned home chargers.
@@Brian-om2hhand all the electricity to power them is coming from renewables, right? lol.
@@craigyirush3492 An increasing amount of it is, yes.... Is the World's oil supply renewable?
The facts are that all cars damage the environment during their manufacture and disposal. Electric cars may cost the environment less if the electricity they use is produced sustainably.
I think Tessa Dunlop meant old phones and laptop batteries (in the bottom drawer). I read somewhere about the huge amount of 'saved' electrical goods that people have not thrown away (I've been guilty of that too) and there might well be a lot of recyclable materials in batteries that have not been processed because of that......
Great video! It is really quite sad and frankly very annoying, that so many media outlets are helping to foster anti-EV propaganda like this. I begin to wonder why they don't fact check the claims their invited guests are going to make before allowing them into the studio.
I don't watch daytime TV. Partly because I've got better things to do with my time but particularly because there seem to be lots of programmes like this. They provide discussion on topical issues of the day which they decide, or presume many people really need, or want to know about.
I'll stick to learning about stuff myself and reaching my own informed decisions. Which is what I did before getting my first EV 18 months ago.
As I wrote in another reaction to this.
Rhe news is own by some biljonaires...They earn money from the oil industry...huge amounts. And they will losse billions when we start reducing energy usage for travelling electric by 60-80%
I'm afraid they are PAYED for spreading these nonsens...and not only these nonsens...also with covid they did not do any fact checking.
They are really just trying to be sensational and attract viewers. So many programmes now don't seem to care about the truth, but just how sensational they can make a topic to increase viewing figures for advertising reasons.
They are a con. And they AREN’T green. Ask the childRen who will be digging up the cobalt to power your rip off machine for a couple of hundred miles. You lot are fools
Yes. I have 0 Zero desire for a EV /AV Anxiety Vehicle. We went with A 2023 Prius Hybrid. 55 MPH 550 mile range.
Some people are just really Baaaad at thinking in reality.
Enjoyed the video which addressed similar claims that are regularly made in the Daily Mail and on GB News. But I do agree with the point about a lack of public charging infrastructure as I would never have bought a small EV if I could not charge at home.
I think charging is getting a lot better - I have had a 28kWh Ioniq for a couple of years and when I got it 'longer' trips really needed planning. Now I just drive and look for a charger when I need one. In all my journeys I had to wait just once last year for about 15 minutes for an Osprey charger and that's because I decided to drive on and head there as I could, and probably should, have stopped 15 miles earlier and not arrived at it with 6%! 😆
@@FFVoyager It's a bit more hit and miss where I live in Central Scotland, although new public chargers are appearing all the time. I think as the infrastructure grows, the hardest part will be keeping all the chargers in service as they tend to have a hard life.
You are fortunate to own what is probably the most efficient EV around. You may already be familiar with the EV Dabbler channel, whose Ionic regularly exceeds a figure of 5 miles per KW/h even at higher speeds- notably better than the 4.6 miles per KW/h I get in my Fiat 500e with a very light foot.
electric cars like smart meters and digital money are all about control.
Just a tiny bit smug and patronising but most of the points dealt with well. Just a bit worried about your theory that electric cars are going to somehow be a part of the energy supply solution. Having EVs plugged in to the grid isn’t going to make any more energy at all. Sure, once they are charged up, from the grid, they will be a store of energy that came from the grid. But people will want keep that energy in their car so that they can use it. They are not going to let it go back in to the grid to charge up their neighbour’s cars. Sure Graham is right, the grid won’t melt but getting enough power in to it in the winter in the UK that is already a problem, without resorting to huge amounts fossil fuel production.
And what is going to happen with the millions of people living in Victorian terraced streets that rarely get to park outside their house. Those streets with lines of parked cars down both sides. How are they going to charge up? Or aren’t we bothered about those people because they are not a well off as you?
Jeremy Vine interview was the TV version of clickbait to appeal to the EV haters which mainly consists of people who currently can't afford one.
EV Prices are coming down, but I think we have reached the point of Total Cost of Ownership being lower for most people, especially company cars with the BIK tax. I would think by 2025/26 the purchase price will be lower than ICE, after all they are a lot simpler with less parts, and battery prices are reducing as predicted.
My personal EV experience over 2 years has been nothing but positive.
@Graham, it appears to me that most of the haters haven’t even driven an EV. Also the fact that ICE vehicle drivers park in EV charging bays is an indication of their mentality.
I dont actually buy into the overall cost of ownership comparison, its not realistic. Many people dont buy a car and keep it until its life expires so EVs have to compete with ICE vehicle costs based on real length of ownership and that means over 3 and 4 years which is typically the length of time many people who lease or buy brand new cars have them for.
@cbcdesign001 Yes, that's why TCO is measured over 3 or 4 years. NOT the lifetime of the car.
Vine went through all of the fossil fuel industry bullet points.
I hear EV insurance has gone through the roof and some insurers won't insure them. Deepest sympathy to you both.
Funny i paid just over £1800 for my petrol Porsche and just £960 for Tesla Model 3 Performance. I also pay £740 a year road tax for Porsche, but £0 for Tesla. Can you try a bit harder?
@@borinvlogs Don't have to try. You do know some insurers refuse cover, don't you? Yours clearly hasn't caught up yet. How's about a Porsche £600 increased to £3100. Is that hard enough?
NONSENSE!
@@JunkerOnDrums No good bunging your head in the sand. You'll be telling me wet is dry next.
@@thisisnumber0 Just telling the facts!
Thomas Edison and Henry Ford said North American is to big for a city shopping cart,cities in Canada are banding EV sales ,the electrical grids needed to be up graded,two to three years to up grade.
It's sad but as you said at the end of your video, it's something new and scary. Unfortunately your average person isn't interested nor do they care about facts. They don't watch RUclips videos or read articles about EVs, they watch headline grabbing programs like Jeremy Vine and read headlines in the Daily Fail.
Keep fighting the good fight. I personally can't wait to get my first electric car. I just can't afford one (or an ICE) at the moment. 😕
It is easier just to accept that people are actually not as intelligent as they like to think they are. Life is occasionally complicated and it can take some intelligence and work, or to get to the bottom of what is the actual truth (i.e. facts and science). Given this countries recent history, (remember we are fed up with experts and it is easier to be elected by a slogan by the uneducated and ill informed public), nothing surprises me anymore. Thank you for putting together such a well informed video.
What do you think of this, a lady damaged her new car (6weeks) a Tesla, only slight damage to the battery but the insurance company scrapped the car as it's value had reduced by 30% in the 6 weeks and the cost of a new battery was £20K.
But isn't that *why* you have insurance?
The idea that electric cars help the grid is nonsense. They do nothing to help balance the grid, that is done 24 hours a day by synchronous generators, generally fossil fuelled. As for the end user, i.e. the consumer who pays the highest rate per unit electrcity selling it back at an even higher price, or else why would he? And who pays for this, all consumers do. It is inefficient and another uncontrolled source of power that the grid operator does not need and will have little control over. We don't need storage, we need reliable and consistent generation.
The very real problem, with the supply of power to electric vehicles, compounded by more and more heat pumps is a serious overload of teh loacl area network, i.e. the low voltage end of the grid. It is not designed or sized for the sustained relatively high load of charging and heating.
The car park thing is truly desperate. My Tesla model 3 is only about 2 passengers heavier than my old Audi A4 - so presumably car parks have to count how many passengers and heavy objects in the boot.
On the cobalt issue you forgot to mention that the use of cobalt for batteries is only a smaller fraction of total world use. Among many other applications. it's used in alloy steel production and - ironically - in oil refining as a catalyst when producing petrol/ diesel. That somehow never gets mentioned by fossil fuel lobby. I wonder why?
Great video. I had 2 people today going on alarming about electric cars and much of what they said was myth. Anyway ice cars have their own minor environmental problems! Happily I was parked next to a man with another electric car and we were sharing how much we love them!
There's still a fundamental resistance to change, people hook on to reasons to justify that. As a lover of petrol cars and bikes I fully understand. However my Skoda Enyaq will finally be delivered in less than 2 weeks.
Great video. Thanks!
@@chriscowell5550 There are plenty of justifiable reasons not to change to EVs. The biggest problem with that is EV owners are a bit like ex-smokers, because they've given up they think everybody else should too and refuse to listen to any comments against them, facts or not.
There you go again - confusing the issue with facts 🙂
Assuming it actually makes production, my Aptera should be here by 2025. Hopefully the EU/UK versions will be fully built by CPC in Modena, where all Aptera body structures are being made from carbon fibre, and my first trip will be to bring it back home to Durham, a trip of around 1200 miles if I take the opportunity to go to visit friends in Karlsruhe, crossing the Alps via Grossglockner Pass (so that would be some time after May 2025, when the road is free of snow). Just need a decent route planner that does the same in EU as Zap-Map does in UK.
Now, if EVs are being subjected to FUD from the fossil-fuel industry puppets, you want to hear what *some EVers* say about why having an SEV in north England will be useless because it's just a land filled with thick fog and rain, where the sun avoids shining, blah-diddley-blah. The regular sceptics can't seem to comprehend the design of the vehicle, so never get as far as the solar capture side of it all...
Good luck in your venture. Please publish here and update us on the future. Great to see.
Can you imagine driving in one of those, you will be a laughing stock.
They will say, does it fly, is it George Jetson lol.
@@stevezodiac491 So, I should drive an SUV like every other unimaginative person? I'll be fine.
@@stevezodiac491 fuglie car looks like a plane with it wings cut off. Probably has the handling of a supermarket trolly!
@@designtime3469 actually due to the low weight it has extraordinary handling. Much better than your boring SUV
As electric car chargers use grid power a percentage of this power comes from carbon creating power stations the electric car is not carbon neutral..........
It's fairly obvious that Nanny state will eventually decide that meatsacks are too wreckless to drive cars and enforce self driving cars upon an unwilling public. Fortunately I'll be long gone along with my beloved gas guzzling Jag which I'll never replace with a souless box of microchips
People I know that have bought electric cars have all regretted it, range anxiety, lack of charging points, length of time to charge, cost of electricity, range not as good as manufacturers say and even worse in cold weather, to name a few, Plus the initial cost which is higher than petrol or diesel models
I love mine. I bought it after speaking to a couple of neighbours who had also bought fully electric and had had them for a few years. One neighbour did say he wished he'd bought the model with the larger battery but overall he was very pleased (I took his advice and only looked at larger batteries). I payed a few more thousand than the petrol equivalent and assuming difference between electric/petrol prices remain about the same, if I keep this car for the same amount of time as my old car (16 years) I will have saved more in fuel than the whole of the cost of the car. Both Octopus and Eon do a really good overnight price for electric for EV owners. We haven't really tested the range yet though.
I am in Canada and I occasionally fact check things about EVs, but I have never heard that amount of garbage come out of the mouth of a "journalist", with regards to electric vehicles. I truly hope that the show this person was on is not a popular one. I am glad to see you put this video out and will share it on my Facebook page since I have a fairly high percentage of viewers from the UK. Thanks for making this.
Its a daytime show so mostly watched by old ladies. Very few of the watchers are likely to be buying new cars.
Im still laughing well done Electrifying your facts are spot on I have been driving my Kona electric 64 kWh since 2018 I have never had problems charging away from home that is until September last year when I visited a charger at the Holiday inn Gloucester there were 2 people queueing so having done my homework I knew there were 2 instavolt chargers 1/2 mile away when I arrived both were free no problems charging did a trip to Bristol from Milton Keynes found 2 Chargers were faulty eventually found one outside a pub Restaurant
There is no doubt that the infrastructure is creaking more needs to be done EV drivers need to do a bit of homework before they set of
on long trips I normally have 3 options keep up the good work ps still laughing.
You talk about charging as if everyone has the facilities. Such as a drive. How many houses in the UK have a drive. What about terraced houses, flats, luxury apartments.
The RAC found that around 60% of UK homes have either a drive or an allocated parking place. How many houses in the UK have a petrol pump outside?
Well, your progressive California Governor tells electric vehicle owners NOT to plug their cars during the summer/hot days because the electric power grid is unsupportive to all. Please, drive whatever you want, just don't force people to do your bidding. All politicians don't want people to use Petro, yet fly around the world in Petro powered planes to their environmental conferences when they can Zoom.
Well done. More facts less rants.
I think Jeremy Vine should invite you guys on the show. I’d happily be on the end of my phone to take a call if they wanted to speak with a very experienced EV owner too. Nice work guys! We’ve all heard this utter tosh too many times for narrow minded people who have likely never owned an EV.
I love your enthusiasm and the fact that you keep us updated. Thank you.
The range and trying to charge points are valid. Four double pumps on a forecourt can fill cars with little queueing, but how many charge points would you need to deal with Christmas and summer queues (please allow for total idiocy on the part of the public.) and since most will be idle for 90% of the year someone is going to pay for that, and the electricity doesn't come at the same price as your domestic supply. And that brings us to: I live in rural Wales, the electricity supply isn't good and Western Power have admitted the the infrastructure is old. Another point is where are all the people who park on street in cities going to charge their cars? And finally the cost of buying one, and the second hand value when the battery is getting near replacement. Our 27 year old Landcruiser will run on for a few years yet, and when we've finished with it it'll probably be shipped to Africa, where it will go on for even longer. Can't say that for an EV!
It also occurred to me that car ownership appears is going back 10 years, for the wealthy only, the rest of us walk.
I am from Alberta Canada, living on a farm 30 Km from the nearest town. We get winter from Nov -Mar...Dec ,Jan will get to -35 C and even cooler every year for many many days ...how do electric vehicles handle prolonged cold weather.
I've heard cold weather puts more demands on batteries. Also extreme hot weather
43,000 miles in an Audi eTron 55 over 22 months. Best car I've ever had, I don't take any note of any of this nonsense, prefer to form my opinion based on my own experience rather than listen to some guy who seems to have no experience of real life use of an EV
Exactly...