I really enjoyed this one. The three of you work well together. LR Benni and Nero is where I go for for cycling content so I knew it would be good. It would be great if you collaborated in long form after key periods in tbe racing season. 3-4 times a year. Keep up the good work. ❤Nat Xx
Killer pod! What a week so far. Peak Torque and Dylan this morning, Nero and LR in the afternoon. The rest of the week is going to need to up its game! Keep up the good work.
I think the main reason you guys are so good is because you're not like the other journalists. You don't just rudely interrupt for sound bites. I respect that you guys don't want to bother the riders! I wish your approach would reward even more.
Is the issue that most sports people don't want to be 'hassled' by media. The truth is they need to do it and 'journos/channels' need to engage and create a connection. That's what makes great interviewers great. The ability to get the story, get the person, and create a vibe that allows them to open up and want to engage. I'd argue these guys have to man up and skipp up and actually get out of 'podcast' land and into the real world of media where you don't just google or rip videos to get the info and content you need. Journalism is a skill. The back end of organising riders / bikes/ interviews is part of it all. Sure it'd be great if it was all spoonfed to anyone that wanted to do a podcast...but that's not the riders, team or media reps jobs. Their jobs is to assist, but not to do the job for journos.
I love seeing Goodnight Moon behind Jesse. Symbolic of the priorities most of us are juggling with cycling. And also symbolic of how this show is one of my weekly bedtime routines. 😂
This is the best cycling podcast I've heard for a long time. Totally agree with the suggestion by another commenter that you guys should do this regularly every quarter/6-months to discuss recent racing and industry news.
As a Norwegian who knows Gustavs father and first trainer I can tell that polarized training is the most newbie friendly training regime. You go zone 1-2 all days except 1 day with intervals. And it’s a short and hard session. Then you’re building base. We had several talks from professional trainers and athletes and they all say the most common amateurs training error is going half hard all the time. Polarized is the easiest regime to follow if you have the discipline to go slow and long enough on easy days. Doing thresholds and other advanced exercises is for more advanced. It’s also the same if you want to build muscles. Do the six basic exercises for 1-2 years then you can do the Arnold program.
@@andrewwoffinden8671 not really no, thats the thing everyone thinks, but studies showed with 5h+ you ll get a better stimulus than just riding tempo everyday but at the end everyone should be happy with their hobbies, so you do you and i‘ll do me
@@andrewwoffinden8671 considering many ppl work 40 plus hours and sleep 50 to 60 hours a week, certainly it's very much in the realm of reasonably possible to train fifteen hours a week. Of course it's much easier to make excuses, literally create excuses like buying unnecessary things car payments, having kids or high maintenance partners, it's your life to live it's your choice. Instead of working full time making 60 to 80k salary, work less and make 40 to 50k a year, to bad your car isn't as nice or house isn't as big. No one cares.
Goddamn if they'd let LR stream races and commentate live on RUclips it would be amazing! DR v HUBERMAN, I'm taking DR all day lol carbs and water and sleep.
Have to agree. The DR approach is a really simple way to get all of the basics dialled in from the get go. Once you’re on the road you can start adding in Huberman hacks if you want, totally down to the individual imo
Haha, Chis you’re killing me. “Haven’t heard Durian Rider talk about it so it’s not relevant to me”. 😅 Great podcast guys. LR is right on the event organisers really not fulfilling their contract obligations by not ensuring all regions have access to the televised programming in each region. Two large issues I think is that cause naming the Iggy change the team name is never constant and changing to some sponsors no one knows what they make, so people are not connected to the teams but instead follow riders or personalities, and second the organising body needs to ensure media access in all regions. What LR suggested sounds great.
I very much enjoy your podcasts, they make Z2 on the turbo something to look forward to. Ref the lactate testing I think there is a good reason to do it every so often for the committed amateur - specifically in a lab with gas exhaled also examined plus an expert to explain the results. This all helps demonstrate what is meant to happen from a physiological perspective at low mid and high intensity. And also to show where the individual’s max endurance pace (LT1 ) lies . Also for me it confirmed what I kind of knew from my attempts to ride my 20min FTP for 45-60mins - ie my 20min FTP was consistently too high vs my actual VT2 and 2nd lactate turning point. I understand from the experts that for all but highly trained athletes, the 20min test (let alone the ramp test) tends to overstate Anaerobic Threshold / FTP. Keep up the excellent work
the cape epic should be a great example of how to do coverage. they get mad footage and definitely don’t portray it as 1980’s tv and it’s an MTB stage race. the road coverage peeps could learn a thing or 2
@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed I think the last I heard he just got busy with life. His video were some of the first videos I ever watched when I got into cycling some 9 years ago. Loved them!
@@brianbolton5566 after they went to the tour de France and said we're going to destroy the media they came back and it was over. He started to mention about shutting down the channel. I'm pretty sure what I said is the reason why he disappeared
Watched most of your stuff (and going back to catch up those that I haven't yet) and love it, but, for me, this one is the best yet. Keep it going guys, and here's to hoping that you can grow it.
I think that clip that LR responded to is pretty absurd, even though some of the Huberman content seems okayish. The obvious problem is those sorta videos meant purely for the algorhitm. Click one of them with Zone 2 in the title and your RUclips will be filled with it for weeks. Attia's video where he shows what his zone 2 pace seems helpful though, and the watts he's doing there are quite a lot higher than your regular joe trying to do some Zone 2 (Def not 130w as what was implied).
Always depends on you’re definition of zone 2, normally you’d say it’s the Fatmax zone or at least many people say that and fatmax is around 1,1-1,5 mmol/l lactat and that isn’t that high
I am definitely into following LR's weight loss and cycling journey especially as a person who has been trying for quite a while to improve my cycling. I am not young, no interest in racing, not very fit and no natural ability so count me in! It would actually interest me more than many other topics that are covered on RUclips. It can be motivating and helpful.
To go beyond 5w/kg FTP means you have some of the top genetics available. It's not linear - you're right off the end of the bell curve. Hunter Allen spoke about that number on the wattage list years ago and said that it needs at least 20 hour weeks with serious dedication just to maintain it. He's never seen anyone who got there on less volume. So, 5.5 would be crazy high and need proper OCD-level dedication to training and recovery. Many of the top guys in the UK hill climb scene get there and go beyond it without loads of training but they only tend to peak for a couple of months after a year-long build up.
I have heard 4 w/kg mentioned as s the genetic potential for an average person (whatever that is). I am not sure, but the source may have been Coggan. @@josipX
I had to watch a stream with no commentary in total silence... But was better than not seeing it at all... Kind of crazy in 2024... Even the Tour of Thailand had a Facebook live stream with commentary.
With regard to double threshold days, you're right that only really aerobically fit people should do them. If you listen to the Cory Lockwood interviews on the Empirical Cycling podcast (the most deep dive technical training podcast around), he does them, but Cory is also the US 40km TT record holder and has an FTP of 450W. Another way of thinking about it is that they're useful only when your TTE is waaaay beyond an hour (but your FTP is really your FTP). Runners do them because injury risk and recovery requirements are so much higher than cycling.
Time to start some crowdfunding for the boys to do some trips like eurobike!! If all of us chip in the equivalent of an over priced coffee, we all get to enjoy it 10 fold. Our boys get on a trip, we get to see the stuff we want to see and then blap on about it for weeks after. What a win win!! Make the budget and let us know, happy support that !!!
Corima do propose Tubular and Tubeless wheels. Just a check on the website to see that the Tubeless are hookless and 26mn internal width, they have 32mn and 47mn version. The MCC version with the 12 carbon spokes looks nice (and expensive), but I don't know how aero they are ... Just to give them a bit of justice ;)
Great video. It wasn’t that long ago that in Australia, to watch a race we had to wait for it to be released on DVD and then buy it for $60 + crazy shipping. When LR mentioned races still won’t allow historical races to be shown it made me think of those bad old dvd days. Maybe OneCycling has some good points…
I think a really cool idea would be for you guys to engage podcasters outside of cycling and do a cross over chat. One thought I have is connecting up with another sport that is not that greatly followed and also in some ways with a 'niche' audience and that's cricket - specifically linking up with The Grade Cricketer. Doing an episode with them and possibly with LR to talk about the two sports in general and laugh about the similarities - this could be great for both sports with audiences from both sides maybe then venturing into some level of interest into the other sport. Jesse was also talking about the Nero show being better, funnier etc - I'm not saying to copy the unique dynamic that TGC has but perhaps it can help open your minds as to the direction you'd like to take the show and mould it to what would be your ideal :)
Your comments on Huberman's insanely complex routines are spot on. My personal tin foil hat theory is that his academic research into fear and anxiety (his day job) has led him to the perfect formula for getting people addicted to his show - make a big deal out of very minor things that only experts like him can explain to you and recommend. Not simple things like 'be more active' or 'ride your bike a lot, work on TTE, eat, sleep' ( the bottom line of basically every episode of the Empirical Cycling podcast)
Love the show! I have two points of feedback as a sw engineer in the automotive industry. 1. Chris, motorcycle brands and auto brands will n general are not vertically integrated. They do make certain components, but most of the time they spec out what they’re looking for and buy a component “off the shelf” that another company makes. 2. AI is a class of algorithms like any other, but its goal is not immediately apparent like some other algorithms. In short, AI is an algorithm that’s designed to find non obvious patterns through “training”, and find those same patterns in new sets of data. Other more traditional algorithms rely on humans finding the patterns and searching for them in some data. (AI might look at some videos of an aero rider and find some nice non intuitive patterns that make a person more aero, traditional video analysis programs would look at a rider for known aero patterns)
HBO Max will have cycling coverage for the US starting February. It just sucks it’s behind another paywall and no one is sure the extent of races they will cover. GCN was fairly cheap and every race was available via VPN.
On Valtteri Bottas, He's been racing a lot of gravel. Even mid formula-1 season. I think he's won Unbound in US in some category. So he isn't totally outside the sport, he's amateur cyclist who is leveraging his influence to get to organize races and promote cycling (or gravel, rather). So i don't agree that he's just some outsider coming in. And while i'm Finn i don't care for Formula-One. For longest time i took him as German with distant Finnish cousin whenever national media wrote about him.
@LR, Remco during the off season does TT wind tunnel testing. Saw a video where when he’s getting dressed, he has his DS tape his back based on his optimized position from the wind tunnel, so for the whole ride he stays in that position-if he deviates, he can feel it based on the tension of the tape, It’s genius! Don’t necessarily need Ai would be useful, but I believe it would be expensive to compare testing position to actual race based position visual data, it would take so many boffins to crunch the numbers. Remco’s method is a cost effective way to do it.
Just a perspective when LR is talking about being hesitant about interviewing riders before a race. I think there should be a mutual respect between media and athletes. First of all, the sport doesn't make ANY money without an audience. Sports are entertainment at the end of the day, and media knowing the personalities/stories behind the riders is a big part of what makes for an entertaining product. Second of all, athletes should also be motivated to build their internal brands. How else will they get exposure? Cycling for performance is just a flash in the pan with respect to their entire life. They need to branch out with interviews and such
45:20 Very generous take on durians views on nutrition😂 The ideal amount of peri-workout carbs has, in recent years, gone up. That’s strictly in relation to peak performance on that specific day. What durian is saying is that you should eat unlimited quantities of sugar and not eating meat somehow makes this allow you to avoid the laws of thermodynamics. It’s not just wrong, it’s dangerously wrong. And there are some people following his advice. You could argue the sorts of people who take nutrition advice from durianrider wouldn’t be doing something else equally insane, but still.
Would like to add to the conversation about lactate testing as its something I've found to be really useful. I go to a top UK sports University every couple of years for a cycling test where they do a sub-maximal and maximal assessment while taking lactate samples. What I get from this is a really useful data set: Accurate power and HR zones Values for LT1 and LT2 Fat / carb utilisation and fat max power point Training advice on which point of my physiology requires the most work and example workouts that will improve my fitness. comparisons to previous test results I'm just a regular guy who enjoys cycling and works hard so its been invaluable to me to know that any training I do is being directed in the right places. The lactate samples really enable accurate zoning and I feel take away some of the guess work that comes with doing a 20min test / ramp test and then determining zones from that. The cost of this is around £200. I think if an accurate lactate meter came to market it would be overkill for someone like myself during everyday riding, but I would certainly think it would improve my ability to do more regular testing.
Not sure I would agree with the Norwegian method not being something new. Maybe similar training was done in the cycling but definitely not in athletics especially not in the middle distances they are running. For example if you look at the Hicham El Guerrouj training (most middle distance runners are still training like this) which is still the WR holder for 1500m. The volumes of his are 2-3x lower than what Ingebritsen's are doing and that's because a lot of training El Guerrouj was done at race pace or above and what Ingebritsen's are doing is training at much lower intensity and thus be able to take on so much volume. Like doing 2 quality sessions in one day was unheard of in running (double threshold) before them. Especially makes sense when you take in to account that running is an impact sport and thus you are even more prone to injuries and not just overtraining.
Hi guys--coming to this episode late so not sure if you're still paying attention. But I work with AI technologies so your questions about what is AI vs not is something I may be able to illuminate. First--great observation that it is difficult to ascertain what is our is not AI based on advertisements. Software platforms for years have been claiming they are AI when really they are just doing predictive analytics (like the linear regression the LR gentleman mentioned). While the dividing line is sometimes blurry, typically predictive analytics isn't considered AI. What typically is considered AI unambiguously would be software systems that perceived the world using human-like senses. So a model that can take in sound and parse it into language, or look at an image and figure out whether a bicycle is in the frame would be "hearing" and "seeing", so both of those would be AI. You could then combine the interpretations of these forms of data with, for example, linear regression, to them make a decision about what to do based on what was "seen" or "heard". The whole system would generally be considered AI as well. In a broader sense, AI as a label is being applied to anything that also looks at the data using techniques that can analyze data and then use that analytical output as part of a second (or nth-- these models can be dozens of layers deep) analysis. So if the model that was "listening" above heard a word and thought it was "they're" but then heard a second word, "house" and then "realized" that it was "their" and not "they're" it heard. That would be a system that was applying the output of the first analysis and then combining it to the second input and "changing its mind". This is an example of a convoluted neural network approach like what was described by the LR gentleman talking about the software he bought. What he specifically was talking about is an example of a learning system using this kind of algorithm, where the model at the first level says "not aero" and a human in the loop is correcting the machine, and the machine then applies that input into future, different examples it sees. Hopefully this helps. And apologies for any mispellings--doing this on the phone....
After winning 11 of my last 13 running and triathlon races (local am races, but overall wins buddy) at the age of 46 having done zero training with data or diet manipulation, I think it’s safe to say that if you work hard each day at your weaknesses, great things can occur. Just train hard and use common sense. There is no money selling it, but that is the answer.
Sensational discussion lads. How did I not know about this vlogging Patrick! RUclips search coming up. It was me who you passed last week on the road to Harndorf Chris and I said “Jesse said to say Valtarie Bottas” 😂 Noting that you said you only had 1 gear Chris. Was that a reference to the one-by or flat battery? 🙂
hate to say it but I thought the tour down under broadcast was pretty bad. We need some more excitement and hype from the commentators on the broadcast.
I felt the same, but then again, it wasn't that exciting, most of the race 😂 I think 3 commentators makes everyone more tentative to avoid talking over the top of each other and have less banter. The director was also sloppy - switching back to the studio every time sounded like amateur hour...
Fully agree, he doesn't even know that elbows bend on the hoods is faster than being in the drops. When del toro won he kept rambling on about how he wasn't even in the drops lol
CGM will advise via Garmin to show when you’re getting to a certain level. Type 1 diabetic - you can use it to stop going below a certain level. It definitely adds value to me.
Measuring lactate is just pure fun. It’s not that serious guys. I ran my own test, found my LT2 within 5W of my prediction, and my LT1 at 75% of that value. I don’t think the accuracy is that bad.
On comparing the bike industry to automotive industry. In the Auto industry it's rare that care companies own the entire production too. Cars and motorbikes, are the result of a huge amount of system integration, 3rd parties, OEM makers, and so on. So it's not that different from the bike industry. What the auto industry does benefit from is strategic partnerships, integration. Automakers share engines across brands, companies co-develop chassis, drive trains and so on. and they reuse those components over and over in various machines perfecting them as they go. The issue with prices in the bike industry is its need to update bikes SO GODDAM often. and the margins they're charging. and the quantities they're producing in. and the fact, there seems to be plenty of people out there ok paying the prices.
Re tyre pressure, I agree with LR. I've been riding through the winter on Conti 4 seasons, with inner tubes at 50 psi. That's in rutted, potholed UK lanes and not had a flat. I still think recommended tyre pressures are too high.
105 may be the best price point most of the time, yes. Try buying up El Premo spec gear during a pandemic when the latest 12spd Dura Ace is expected next. Lucky me, R9100 was relatively cheap and turned into the last full mechanical groupset, too. Jesse, you could have gotten 12spd DA for your TCR and the widest Chinese wheels it would take, too.
Totally agree with the comment that trying to stop all illegal RUclips streamers of Tours is pointless as they’ll just be another one along. I was happy paying for GCN+ as it was a good price for just the content I wanted. Now im more likely to seek out illegal streams as I don’t want to pay 3 or 4 times the price for a service that includes lots of extra crappy content I won’t watch. Media companies shoot themselves in the foot sometimes with their greed.
HR/HRV/RPE are the most commonly available metrics to base your training on but it’s a very small and potentially inaccurate area to focus. VLAmax, FatMax and Lactate tested 1/2 times a year for amateurs gives what is happening in your body and establishing what zones you are really in
Carbon rim brakes were awful on the wet with taste exception. One of those exceptions were campag. The bora one's i still have along with the red pads i lifted the rear wheel off the ground whilst seated doing an emergency stop at 40mph in the wet approaching a junction i didn't realize was there. I bought those wheels and rims second hand and still have the rims several years on. I swear other pads wear out at least twice as fast. Anyway, disc brakes rock. Mostly.
I think what people are missing w lactate isnt the number while youre working out... its your ability to clear lactate to aid recovery. Everyones lactate number WHEN training is unique to them and is NOT a limiter on performance. Meaning two athletes can ride/swim at the same pace/time w lactate levels of 3 and 14mml and have similar RPE. But which athlete understands better how to CLEAR the lactate from their efforts will be have more effective recovery to then do efforts again.
Re the Bottas discussion, I think Jesse would benefit from considering the overall economics of the event.... It's a state govt owned event, and basically a tourism exercise - so a key metric for the event owner must be exposure/eyeballs. How do they supplement that? Use a complimentary athlete with international exposure by paying him for content on the 'gram' AND setup a side event and support it. That event (RADL) is another advertisement for a tourist region that will generate visits. Supporting a crit they have no care or investment in, that won't generate tourism dollars, has no justification or benefit.
TTE isn’t some new thing, it’s im Training and Racing With a Powermeter. Which defines FTP as “the highest power that a rider can maintain in a quasi-steady state without fatiguing. When power exceeds FTP, fatigue will occur much sooner (generally after approximately one hour in well-trained cyclists), whereas power just below FTP can be maintained considerably longer.” Not 1 hour power.
in reply to LR why can't cycling have a back up like tennis that covers the events that the large broadcasters don't want to carry. I think logistically and monetarily covering cycling (at a level that is accepted by audiences) is much more expensive than covering tennis. Tennis is confined to a small court that doesn't move with 2 participants. The answer I think is finding other way to cover like having embedded cameras on the bikes, or drones or improving the technology that allows cycling events to be covered. Big fan of LR, will someday be the dominant voice of cycling. Great show thx.
I tried to buy the coverage on 7 player or whatever the official page sent you to but I was blocked from viewing in the US. I’d have paid $40-$50 for access to the race but all that worked for me was the RUclips streams.
Empirical Cycling did a fantastic podcast about lactate testing and it's well overhyped. A power meter provides much more actionable data than lactate ever will. Add HR and RPE and you've got everything you need. The reason running and other sports have double days is because it's much harder on your body.
This reminded me of poor old Cycling Maven the year he thought he could vlog the Tour…what a horror show, no wifi, transport issues, equipment issues, crap content….like everything you were alluding to, way harder than ppl think
The PTO are trying to make broadcasting way more interesting in triathlon, they have a world tour series and they will show heart rate and power from the athletes, at least thats what they tested last season already. I think this would also be something to look into in pro cycling. As was mention in a podcast already, F1 is a real rolemodel live data wise.
The TDF is to cycling as Olympics are to all the sports we don't watch the other three years. The main issue is there's so many events that don't have a clear and concise participant base, it's hard to keep track. Teams have events where their star players don't show up. The tour is the event where everyone shows up. Pretty obvious to me that we naturally want to see the stars doing their best... Instead of just a team of unknown names racing it out and some far away land. This is my American perspective.
Yeah. People sometimes go on about it, but how useful is 1hr steady power even useful in road cycling? Basically never. I think since indoor cycling took off 0.95 20min is pretty much the standard. 20min power is a very useful and practical number.
Cycling coverage has gone back to the dark ages. It's insane. 2024 and the sport doesn't have a dedicated live streaming global app/channel. It's without doubt the single largest issue the sport has. It needs immediate solving. If your fans can't even watch your sport, how on Earth will it last? The UCI or possibly this One Cycling project need to solve this. Every cycling podcast needs to continue to berate everyone involved until it's solved. Call these organisations out.
I am the embodiment of how unfortunate this streaming/rights drought that has been created with the end of GCN+ I'm in a market that has no comprehensive coverage to all World Tour races because of the shutdown. I only recently got into the sport because of the Netflix doc series last year. I would have been a new subscriber to GCN+ this year, but my interest is going to wane if I can't watch the races anywhere.
You can't expect sponsors to throw bucket loads of cash at you when you're just two random guys talking trash about cycling. What are the sponsors getting for their money? Until you level up to GCN type production, it's not going to be appealing.
When I watch a race, I want the commentary to have an option to throw an AI overlay over the screen and have it show me w/kg for riders on screen, I want it to even determine projected time, I want it to know if there’s a water bottle on the bike and guess if there are savings to be had, I really want a total analysis to be available. Sorta like chat bubbles, a display all, or the comm can mouse over a rider and show the data. Comparisons. All of it. The data is there it just needs to be aggregated and quickly presentable in real time. The “oh he’s drilling it” isn’t holding up long term over a talk, data gives you talking points.
Can any one give me some background on what happened to Cycling Maven. Discovered him when I first started cycling 10 years ago but stopped watching after a few videos then...
I think Jesse’s questioning cycling's standing in the world of sport deal, he needs to realize how significant the difference is between the Tour and EVERYTHING else and doubly for the TDU. Bottas visiting the Tour podium on a big stage would be a footnote, at the TDU he’s the most famous guy in 1000km
Have not watched a race since Dec 19th. Missed all of TDU. I am now consuming a lot more non-UCI racing - i.e. gravel. I have no idea how I can watch any races in Singapore (legally).
this guy should start a podcast
Damn... That's a good idea. Maybe you should join him
These two together?! That’s like apples to pears… or oranges.
I heard he's big in Andorra
We have enough nerds talking shit on the internet.
He should run the Uci.
Broe it’s time to cut to the chase. Get Jesse to coach you and create another vlog series to document your progress.
I second that
I was about to say the same thing.
Definitely
I thought he was fishing for an offer
EJ vs Patrick. FIGHT!
“25 kilos of rice. Cheap beans and hot sauce.”
That makes me like Lantern Rouge even more.
Full Dave Ramsey mode
I really enjoyed this one. The three of you work well together. LR Benni and Nero is where I go for for cycling content so I knew it would be good. It would be great if you collaborated in long form after key periods in tbe racing season. 3-4 times a year. Keep up the good work. ❤Nat Xx
Awesome, thank you!
Awesome, thank you!
Killer pod! What a week so far. Peak Torque and Dylan this morning, Nero and LR in the afternoon. The rest of the week is going to need to up its game! Keep up the good work.
I think the main reason you guys are so good is because you're not like the other journalists. You don't just rudely interrupt for sound bites. I respect that you guys don't want to bother the riders! I wish your approach would reward even more.
Is the issue that most sports people don't want to be 'hassled' by media. The truth is they need to do it and 'journos/channels' need to engage and create a connection. That's what makes great interviewers great. The ability to get the story, get the person, and create a vibe that allows them to open up and want to engage.
I'd argue these guys have to man up and skipp up and actually get out of 'podcast' land and into the real world of media where you don't just google or rip videos to get the info and content you need.
Journalism is a skill. The back end of organising riders / bikes/ interviews is part of it all.
Sure it'd be great if it was all spoonfed to anyone that wanted to do a podcast...but that's not the riders, team or media reps jobs. Their jobs is to assist, but not to do the job for journos.
I love seeing Goodnight Moon behind Jesse. Symbolic of the priorities most of us are juggling with cycling. And also symbolic of how this show is one of my weekly bedtime routines. 😂
This is the best cycling podcast I've heard for a long time. Totally agree with the suggestion by another commenter that you guys should do this regularly every quarter/6-months to discuss recent racing and industry news.
As a Norwegian who knows Gustavs father and first trainer I can tell that polarized training is the most newbie friendly training regime. You go zone 1-2 all days except 1 day with intervals. And it’s a short and hard session. Then you’re building base. We had several talks from professional trainers and athletes and they all say the most common amateurs training error is going half hard all the time. Polarized is the easiest regime to follow if you have the discipline to go slow and long enough on easy days. Doing thresholds and other advanced exercises is for more advanced. It’s also the same if you want to build muscles. Do the six basic exercises for 1-2 years then you can do the Arnold program.
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polarized training must vary
Yes that's great if you have 16 hours a week to train..
@@andrewwoffinden8671 not really no, thats the thing everyone thinks, but studies showed with 5h+ you ll get a better stimulus than just riding tempo everyday
but at the end everyone should be happy with their hobbies, so you do you and i‘ll do me
@@andrewwoffinden8671 considering many ppl work 40 plus hours and sleep 50 to 60 hours a week, certainly it's very much in the realm of reasonably possible to train fifteen hours a week. Of course it's much easier to make excuses, literally create excuses like buying unnecessary things car payments, having kids or high maintenance partners, it's your life to live it's your choice. Instead of working full time making 60 to 80k salary, work less and make 40 to 50k a year, to bad your car isn't as nice or house isn't as big. No one cares.
Goddamn if they'd let LR stream races and commentate live on RUclips it would be amazing! DR v HUBERMAN, I'm taking DR all day lol carbs and water and sleep.
DR is da Mannnnn!
Have to agree. The DR approach is a really simple way to get all of the basics dialled in from the get go. Once you’re on the road you can start adding in Huberman hacks if you want, totally down to the individual imo
Plus sex 6 times a day ( IYKYK)
He sometimes gives live commentary on big stages live on RUclips
Haha, Chis you’re killing me. “Haven’t heard Durian Rider talk about it so it’s not relevant to me”. 😅
Great podcast guys. LR is right on the event organisers really not fulfilling their contract obligations by not ensuring all regions have access to the televised programming in each region. Two large issues I think is that cause naming the Iggy change the team name is never constant and changing to some sponsors no one knows what they make, so people are not connected to the teams but instead follow riders or personalities, and second the organising body needs to ensure media access in all regions. What LR suggested sounds great.
Chris was just so fkcing funny this pod lmaooo
I very much enjoy your podcasts, they make Z2 on the turbo something to look forward to.
Ref the lactate testing I think there is a good reason to do it every so often for the committed amateur - specifically in a lab with gas exhaled also examined plus an expert to explain the results. This all helps demonstrate what is meant to happen from a physiological perspective at low mid and high intensity. And also to show where the individual’s max endurance pace (LT1 ) lies . Also for me it confirmed what I kind of knew from my attempts to ride my 20min FTP for 45-60mins - ie my 20min FTP was consistently too high vs my actual VT2 and 2nd lactate turning point. I understand from the experts that for all but highly trained athletes, the 20min test (let alone the ramp test) tends to overstate Anaerobic Threshold / FTP. Keep up the excellent work
the cape epic should be a great example of how to do coverage. they get mad footage and definitely don’t portray it as 1980’s tv and it’s an MTB stage race. the road coverage peeps could learn a thing or 2
Super chat, really geeked out on the W/KG Data To Teams chat. I can't agree enough with what you spoke about there.
Would love to see you on the pod one day Ed! Surely talking hill climbs in depth would make for a killer episode
Always love it when someone shouts out Cycling Maven!
Was thinking about him the other day and how he just shut down things and disappeared.
I think the media threatened him.
@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed I think the last I heard he just got busy with life. His video were some of the first videos I ever watched when I got into cycling some 9 years ago. Loved them!
@@brianbolton5566 after they went to the tour de France and said we're going to destroy the media they came back and it was over. He started to mention about shutting down the channel.
I'm pretty sure what I said is the reason why he disappeared
Great show lads. I was really interested in Pat's fitness journey. Most of us want to lose weight and get fitter. Inspirational.
Glad you enjoyed it
Absolute class, could listen to this for hours!
Watched most of your stuff (and going back to catch up those that I haven't yet) and love it, but, for me, this one is the best yet. Keep it going guys, and here's to hoping that you can grow it.
I am in Singapore for work and that free live stream on RUclips was the only way I could watch the race. Brilliant.
Walking is now zone 2 apparently according to Huberman
I guess he is very unfit then
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If you’re walking on an incline it could very well be zone 2
I think that clip that LR responded to is pretty absurd, even though some of the Huberman content seems okayish. The obvious problem is those sorta videos meant purely for the algorhitm. Click one of them with Zone 2 in the title and your RUclips will be filled with it for weeks. Attia's video where he shows what his zone 2 pace seems helpful though, and the watts he's doing there are quite a lot higher than your regular joe trying to do some Zone 2 (Def not 130w as what was implied).
Always depends on you’re definition of zone 2, normally you’d say it’s the Fatmax zone or at least many people say that and fatmax is around 1,1-1,5 mmol/l lactat and that isn’t that high
I am definitely into following LR's weight loss and cycling journey especially as a person who has been trying for quite a while to improve my cycling. I am not young, no interest in racing, not very fit and no natural ability so count me in! It would actually interest me more than many other topics that are covered on RUclips. It can be motivating and helpful.
Patrick is looking great man. Kudos!!! Looking forward to seeing his progress
To go beyond 5w/kg FTP means you have some of the top genetics available. It's not linear - you're right off the end of the bell curve. Hunter Allen spoke about that number on the wattage list years ago and said that it needs at least 20 hour weeks with serious dedication just to maintain it. He's never seen anyone who got there on less volume. So, 5.5 would be crazy high and need proper OCD-level dedication to training and recovery. Many of the top guys in the UK hill climb scene get there and go beyond it without loads of training but they only tend to peak for a couple of months after a year-long build up.
what's the FTP cap for someone with bad genetics?
@@josipX Not sure, but it depends on what you mean by bad. Andy Coggan's power profile chart is worth looking at but, again, it's not linear.
Cycling training is at its infancy. They're still trying to figure things out. Nothing is 100% yet.
I have heard 4 w/kg mentioned as s the genetic potential for an average person (whatever that is). I am not sure, but the source may have been Coggan. @@josipX
No need for top genetics or 20+ hours for a 5w/kg ftp if you’re the average height and weight of a men
Just a bit of a constructive comment regards the intro...
EVERY episode of the Nero show is special :)
Jesse - you might add "Where the Wild Things Are" to the library on the shelf.
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10 little fingers and ten little toes 🖐️🤚
I had to watch a stream with no commentary in total silence... But was better than not seeing it at all... Kind of crazy in 2024... Even the Tour of Thailand had a Facebook live stream with commentary.
Why would you need the commentary?
With regard to double threshold days, you're right that only really aerobically fit people should do them. If you listen to the Cory Lockwood interviews on the Empirical Cycling podcast (the most deep dive technical training podcast around), he does them, but Cory is also the US 40km TT record holder and has an FTP of 450W. Another way of thinking about it is that they're useful only when your TTE is waaaay beyond an hour (but your FTP is really your FTP). Runners do them because injury risk and recovery requirements are so much higher than cycling.
Easily one of the best videos about cycling I've ever watched... Kudos and thanks!
Time to start some crowdfunding for the boys to do some trips like eurobike!! If all of us chip in the equivalent of an over priced coffee, we all get to enjoy it 10 fold. Our boys get on a trip, we get to see the stuff we want to see and then blap on about it for weeks after. What a win win!! Make the budget and let us know, happy support that !!!
Corima do propose Tubular and Tubeless wheels. Just a check on the website to see that the Tubeless are hookless and 26mn internal width, they have 32mn and 47mn version. The MCC version with the 12 carbon spokes looks nice (and expensive), but I don't know how aero they are ... Just to give them a bit of justice ;)
That was a pleasure to listen to. Thanks guys.
I only discovered Nero Show just before Xmas. Took a couple of shows to get my head around it. Over the holidays I binged them all. Loving it.
Out and out your best podcast. Pat is right on the button on so much and was so giving. and you three jelled well.
Great video. It wasn’t that long ago that in Australia, to watch a race we had to wait for it to be released on DVD and then buy it for $60 + crazy shipping.
When LR mentioned races still won’t allow historical races to be shown it made me think of those bad old dvd days.
Maybe OneCycling has some good points…
I think a really cool idea would be for you guys to engage podcasters outside of cycling and do a cross over chat. One thought I have is connecting up with another sport that is not that greatly followed and also in some ways with a 'niche' audience and that's cricket - specifically linking up with The Grade Cricketer. Doing an episode with them and possibly with LR to talk about the two sports in general and laugh about the similarities - this could be great for both sports with audiences from both sides maybe then venturing into some level of interest into the other sport. Jesse was also talking about the Nero show being better, funnier etc - I'm not saying to copy the unique dynamic that TGC has but perhaps it can help open your minds as to the direction you'd like to take the show and mould it to what would be your ideal :)
50k subs, well done lads💪
I trust Durian over Huberman. Huberman doesn't even do any videos with chicks in them
Your comments on Huberman's insanely complex routines are spot on. My personal tin foil hat theory is that his academic research into fear and anxiety (his day job) has led him to the perfect formula for getting people addicted to his show - make a big deal out of very minor things that only experts like him can explain to you and recommend. Not simple things like 'be more active' or 'ride your bike a lot, work on TTE, eat, sleep' ( the bottom line of basically every episode of the Empirical Cycling podcast)
Yup
In the end of the day making basic things complicated is the best way to sell whatever shit.
You guys have a great Aussie chemistry…
Love the show! I have two points of feedback as a sw engineer in the automotive industry.
1. Chris, motorcycle brands and auto brands will n general are not vertically integrated. They do make certain components, but most of the time they spec out what they’re looking for and buy a component “off the shelf” that another company makes.
2. AI is a class of algorithms like any other, but its goal is not immediately apparent like some other algorithms. In short, AI is an algorithm that’s designed to find non obvious patterns through “training”, and find those same patterns in new sets of data. Other more traditional algorithms rely on humans finding the patterns and searching for them in some data. (AI might look at some videos of an aero rider and find some nice non intuitive patterns that make a person more aero, traditional video analysis programs would look at a rider for known aero patterns)
HBO Max will have cycling coverage for the US starting February. It just sucks it’s behind another paywall and no one is sure the extent of races they will cover. GCN was fairly cheap and every race was available via VPN.
love LR cycling vlogging - looking forward to Flanders recon video
Can LR just hire Jesse and make a series about it. I could tell Jesse was already 90% finished formulating the perfect training regime.
On Valtteri Bottas, He's been racing a lot of gravel. Even mid formula-1 season. I think he's won Unbound in US in some category. So he isn't totally outside the sport, he's amateur cyclist who is leveraging his influence to get to organize races and promote cycling (or gravel, rather). So i don't agree that he's just some outsider coming in.
And while i'm Finn i don't care for Formula-One. For longest time i took him as German with distant Finnish cousin whenever national media wrote about him.
@LR, Remco during the off season does TT wind tunnel testing. Saw a video where when he’s getting dressed, he has his DS tape his back based on his optimized position from the wind tunnel, so for the whole ride he stays in that position-if he deviates, he can feel it based on the tension of the tape, It’s genius! Don’t necessarily need Ai would be useful, but I believe it would be expensive to compare testing position to actual race based position visual data, it would take so many boffins to crunch the numbers. Remco’s method is a cost effective way to do it.
Just a perspective when LR is talking about being hesitant about interviewing riders before a race. I think there should be a mutual respect between media and athletes. First of all, the sport doesn't make ANY money without an audience. Sports are entertainment at the end of the day, and media knowing the personalities/stories behind the riders is a big part of what makes for an entertaining product. Second of all, athletes should also be motivated to build their internal brands. How else will they get exposure? Cycling for performance is just a flash in the pan with respect to their entire life. They need to branch out with interviews and such
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Very generous take on durians views on nutrition😂
The ideal amount of peri-workout carbs has, in recent years, gone up. That’s strictly in relation to peak performance on that specific day. What durian is saying is that you should eat unlimited quantities of sugar and not eating meat somehow makes this allow you to avoid the laws of thermodynamics. It’s not just wrong, it’s dangerously wrong. And there are some people following his advice. You could argue the sorts of people who take nutrition advice from durianrider wouldn’t be doing something else equally insane, but still.
Last I saw LR he was on a old BMC rim braker, with external cables!
Awesome podcast! Keep il up with the fun cycling chat !
Great edition.... well done guys and LR.
Would like to add to the conversation about lactate testing as its something I've found to be really useful. I go to a top UK sports University every couple of years for a cycling test where they do a sub-maximal and maximal assessment while taking lactate samples. What I get from this is a really useful data set:
Accurate power and HR zones
Values for LT1 and LT2
Fat / carb utilisation and fat max power point
Training advice on which point of my physiology requires the most work and example workouts that will improve my fitness.
comparisons to previous test results
I'm just a regular guy who enjoys cycling and works hard so its been invaluable to me to know that any training I do is being directed in the right places. The lactate samples really enable accurate zoning and I feel take away some of the guess work that comes with doing a 20min test / ramp test and then determining zones from that.
The cost of this is around £200.
I think if an accurate lactate meter came to market it would be overkill for someone like myself during everyday riding, but I would certainly think it would improve my ability to do more regular testing.
Do you mind sharing which university you've used for this?
Great show! Thanks! 👏👏👏
Not sure I would agree with the Norwegian method not being something new. Maybe similar training was done in the cycling but definitely not in athletics especially not in the middle distances they are running. For example if you look at the Hicham El Guerrouj training (most middle distance runners are still training like this) which is still the WR holder for 1500m. The volumes of his are 2-3x lower than what Ingebritsen's are doing and that's because a lot of training El Guerrouj was done at race pace or above and what Ingebritsen's are doing is training at much lower intensity and thus be able to take on so much volume. Like doing 2 quality sessions in one day was unheard of in running (double threshold) before them. Especially makes sense when you take in to account that running is an impact sport and thus you are even more prone to injuries and not just overtraining.
Hi guys--coming to this episode late so not sure if you're still paying attention. But I work with AI technologies so your questions about what is AI vs not is something I may be able to illuminate.
First--great observation that it is difficult to ascertain what is our is not AI based on advertisements. Software platforms for years have been claiming they are AI when really they are just doing predictive analytics (like the linear regression the LR gentleman mentioned). While the dividing line is sometimes blurry, typically predictive analytics isn't considered AI.
What typically is considered AI unambiguously would be software systems that perceived the world using human-like senses. So a model that can take in sound and parse it into language, or look at an image and figure out whether a bicycle is in the frame would be "hearing" and "seeing", so both of those would be AI. You could then combine the interpretations of these forms of data with, for example, linear regression, to them make a decision about what to do based on what was "seen" or "heard". The whole system would generally be considered AI as well.
In a broader sense, AI as a label is being applied to anything that also looks at the data using techniques that can analyze data and then use that analytical output as part of a second (or nth-- these models can be dozens of layers deep) analysis. So if the model that was "listening" above heard a word and thought it was "they're" but then heard a second word, "house" and then "realized" that it was "their" and not "they're" it heard. That would be a system that was applying the output of the first analysis and then combining it to the second input and "changing its mind". This is an example of a convoluted neural network approach like what was described by the LR gentleman talking about the software he bought. What he specifically was talking about is an example of a learning system using this kind of algorithm, where the model at the first level says "not aero" and a human in the loop is correcting the machine, and the machine then applies that input into future, different examples it sees.
Hopefully this helps. And apologies for any mispellings--doing this on the phone....
After winning 11 of my last 13 running and triathlon races (local am races, but overall wins buddy) at the age of 46 having done zero training with data or diet manipulation, I think it’s safe to say that if you work hard each day at your weaknesses, great things can occur. Just train hard and use common sense. There is no money selling it, but that is the answer.
Great show. Been watching weekly from the UK. Maybe get more pros on the show … from various disciplines.
Sensational discussion lads. How did I not know about this vlogging Patrick! RUclips search coming up. It was me who you passed last week on the road to Harndorf Chris and I said “Jesse said to say Valtarie Bottas” 😂 Noting that you said you only had 1 gear Chris. Was that a reference to the one-by or flat battery? 🙂
hate to say it but I thought the tour down under broadcast was pretty bad. We need some more excitement and hype from the commentators on the broadcast.
Phil Ligget, who I heard on the stream that I saw , is well past his sell by date , sorry!!!
I felt the same, but then again, it wasn't that exciting, most of the race 😂
I think 3 commentators makes everyone more tentative to avoid talking over the top of each other and have less banter.
The director was also sloppy - switching back to the studio every time sounded like amateur hour...
Fully agree, he doesn't even know that elbows bend on the hoods is faster than being in the drops. When del toro won he kept rambling on about how he wasn't even in the drops lol
@@marcvb3364 to be fair, all out sprint you would be in the drops unless you're going uphill.
@@Gabrielle4870 it wasnt an all out sprint tough
Great chat, thanks!
Really enjoyed this episode lads! Keep it up!
CGM will advise via Garmin to show when you’re getting to a certain level. Type 1 diabetic - you can use it to stop going below a certain level. It definitely adds value to me.
Measuring lactate is just pure fun. It’s not that serious guys. I ran my own test, found my LT2 within 5W of my prediction, and my LT1 at 75% of that value. I don’t think the accuracy is that bad.
On comparing the bike industry to automotive industry. In the Auto industry it's rare that care companies own the entire production too.
Cars and motorbikes, are the result of a huge amount of system integration, 3rd parties, OEM makers, and so on. So it's not that different from the bike industry.
What the auto industry does benefit from is strategic partnerships, integration. Automakers share engines across brands, companies co-develop chassis, drive trains and so on. and they reuse those components over and over in various machines perfecting them as they go.
The issue with prices in the bike industry is its need to update bikes SO GODDAM often. and the margins they're charging. and the quantities they're producing in. and the fact, there seems to be plenty of people out there ok paying the prices.
Re tyre pressure, I agree with LR. I've been riding through the winter on Conti 4 seasons, with inner tubes at 50 psi. That's in rutted, potholed UK lanes and not had a flat. I still think recommended tyre pressures are too high.
Thanks!
How about Jess coach LR to his FTP goal ??
4 minute segments every podcast on progress too. Take us on the journey of how a coach works and the perspective form the coached!! love it
I have said this before …..cycling chat does get any better this …. Podcast or youtube….. its The HOUR of cycling SANITY …..Just don’t ever Quit !!!!
I would have loved to see you (Chris) do a vid of you entering that race (or time trial) up Wullunga Hill. That would have been a cool vid.
105 may be the best price point most of the time, yes. Try buying up El Premo spec gear during a pandemic when the latest 12spd Dura Ace is expected next.
Lucky me, R9100 was relatively cheap and turned into the last full mechanical groupset, too. Jesse, you could have gotten 12spd DA for your TCR and the widest Chinese wheels it would take, too.
Totally agree with the comment that trying to stop all illegal RUclips streamers of Tours is pointless as they’ll just be another one along. I was happy paying for GCN+ as it was a good price for just the content I wanted. Now im more likely to seek out illegal streams as I don’t want to pay 3 or 4 times the price for a service that includes lots of extra crappy content I won’t watch. Media companies shoot themselves in the foot sometimes with their greed.
HR/HRV/RPE are the most commonly available metrics to base your training on but it’s a very small and potentially inaccurate area to focus. VLAmax, FatMax and Lactate tested 1/2 times a year for amateurs gives what is happening in your body and establishing what zones you are really in
Carbon rim brakes were awful on the wet with taste exception. One of those exceptions were campag. The bora one's i still have along with the red pads i lifted the rear wheel off the ground whilst seated doing an emergency stop at 40mph in the wet approaching a junction i didn't realize was there. I bought those wheels and rims second hand and still have the rims several years on. I swear other pads wear out at least twice as fast. Anyway, disc brakes rock. Mostly.
Great episode
I think what people are missing w lactate isnt the number while youre working out... its your ability to clear lactate to aid recovery. Everyones lactate number WHEN training is unique to them and is NOT a limiter on performance. Meaning two athletes can ride/swim at the same pace/time w lactate levels of 3 and 14mml and have similar RPE. But which athlete understands better how to CLEAR the lactate from their efforts will be have more effective recovery to then do efforts again.
Loved this episode!
Re the Bottas discussion, I think Jesse would benefit from considering the overall economics of the event.... It's a state govt owned event, and basically a tourism exercise - so a key metric for the event owner must be exposure/eyeballs. How do they supplement that? Use a complimentary athlete with international exposure by paying him for content on the 'gram' AND setup a side event and support it. That event (RADL) is another advertisement for a tourist region that will generate visits.
Supporting a crit they have no care or investment in, that won't generate tourism dollars, has no justification or benefit.
Power discussion on coverage spot on ❤
TTE isn’t some new thing, it’s im Training and Racing With a Powermeter. Which defines FTP as “the highest power that a rider can maintain in a quasi-steady state without fatiguing.
When power exceeds FTP, fatigue will occur much sooner (generally after approximately one hour in well-trained cyclists), whereas power just below FTP can be maintained considerably longer.” Not 1 hour power.
in reply to LR why can't cycling have a back up like tennis that covers the events that the large broadcasters don't want to carry. I think logistically and monetarily covering cycling (at a level that is accepted by audiences) is much more expensive than covering tennis. Tennis is confined to a small court that doesn't move with 2 participants. The answer I think is finding other way to cover like having embedded cameras on the bikes, or drones or improving the technology that allows cycling events to be covered. Big fan of LR, will someday be the dominant voice of cycling. Great show thx.
Channel 7’s recent coverage of the tour down under was so hard to watch because of the amount of ads. It was horrendous
I smell a MERGER. LR: Racing + Nero: Culture.
So good. The idea holds its speed.
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I tried to buy the coverage on 7 player or whatever the official page sent you to but I was blocked from viewing in the US. I’d have paid $40-$50 for access to the race but all that worked for me was the RUclips streams.
Agree I have a Merida bike Bora taps and would prefer to get quickstep flooring if we need it
Empirical Cycling did a fantastic podcast about lactate testing and it's well overhyped. A power meter provides much more actionable data than lactate ever will. Add HR and RPE and you've got everything you need.
The reason running and other sports have double days is because it's much harder on your body.
This reminded me of poor old Cycling Maven the year he thought he could vlog the Tour…what a horror show, no wifi, transport issues, equipment issues, crap content….like everything you were alluding to, way harder than ppl think
The PTO are trying to make broadcasting way more interesting in triathlon, they have a world tour series and they will show heart rate and power from the athletes, at least thats what they tested last season already. I think this would also be something to look into in pro cycling. As was mention in a podcast already, F1 is a real rolemodel live data wise.
An hour 45 goes by fast. Great chat guys!
Glad you enjoyed it
The TDF is to cycling as Olympics are to all the sports we don't watch the other three years. The main issue is there's so many events that don't have a clear and concise participant base, it's hard to keep track. Teams have events where their star players don't show up. The tour is the event where everyone shows up. Pretty obvious to me that we naturally want to see the stars doing their best... Instead of just a team of unknown names racing it out and some far away land.
This is my American perspective.
Ftp equalling actually one hour power? Since when? 😏
Yeah. People sometimes go on about it, but how useful is 1hr steady power even useful in road cycling? Basically never. I think since indoor cycling took off 0.95 20min is pretty much the standard. 20min power is a very useful and practical number.
Cycling coverage has gone back to the dark ages. It's insane. 2024 and the sport doesn't have a dedicated live streaming global app/channel. It's without doubt the single largest issue the sport has. It needs immediate solving. If your fans can't even watch your sport, how on Earth will it last? The UCI or possibly this One Cycling project need to solve this. Every cycling podcast needs to continue to berate everyone involved until it's solved. Call these organisations out.
I am the embodiment of how unfortunate this streaming/rights drought that has been created with the end of GCN+ I'm in a market that has no comprehensive coverage to all World Tour races because of the shutdown. I only recently got into the sport because of the Netflix doc series last year. I would have been a new subscriber to GCN+ this year, but my interest is going to wane if I can't watch the races anywhere.
You can't expect sponsors to throw bucket loads of cash at you when you're just two random guys talking trash about cycling. What are the sponsors getting for their money? Until you level up to GCN type production, it's not going to be appealing.
*TREK MADONE!!!* 😂
Had me laughing
When I watch a race, I want the commentary to have an option to throw an AI overlay over the screen and have it show me w/kg for riders on screen, I want it to even determine projected time, I want it to know if there’s a water bottle on the bike and guess if there are savings to be had, I really want a total analysis to be available.
Sorta like chat bubbles, a display all, or the comm can mouse over a rider and show the data. Comparisons. All of it.
The data is there it just needs to be aggregated and quickly presentable in real time. The “oh he’s drilling it” isn’t holding up long term over a talk, data gives you talking points.
Nice one, dream team.
When the TdF claims to be the world's biggest sporting event, they are referring to spectator numbers.
Live spectators; in every other way, it simply isn't. Doesn't bring in anything like the money of major sports events......
I live in Costa Rica (Latin America) and I watch the races in Star+.
Can any one give me some background on what happened to Cycling Maven. Discovered him when I first started cycling 10 years ago but stopped watching after a few videos then...
I think Jesse’s questioning cycling's standing in the world of sport deal, he needs to realize how significant the difference is between the Tour and EVERYTHING else and doubly for the TDU. Bottas visiting the Tour podium on a big stage would be a footnote, at the TDU he’s the most famous guy in 1000km
Have not watched a race since Dec 19th. Missed all of TDU. I am now consuming a lot more non-UCI racing - i.e. gravel. I have no idea how I can watch any races in Singapore (legally).