I appreciate the sentiment... and yet I would say it’s even better than “I am the church...” Jesus said He would build His ekklessia. I have stopped using the word “church” to refer to the people of God AT ALL. We are His full participatory congregation. His ekklessia. It may seem like mere semantics but the Cherch will always toy around with terms and definitions and hide the truth of their position and what they believe which is THEY are the “church” and YOU are the laymen. They will also say “the Greek word for church is ekklessia” which is actually not true. The Greek word for Church is Kuriakon. The proper biblical term is not church at all but rather “congregation”.
Fear is used to control. Once that fear gets stored into our subconscious mind, it’s going to take a lot of reprogramming to remove that fear. Some of us have been so conditioned to take spiritual abuse, we wouldn’t know what to do without it. Even, when we know it’s not good for us. I encourage anyone to leave when spiritual abuse is taking place. Act 7:48 “God dwelleth not in temples made by hands.” God is within us. Being in a Church building don’t mean a thing, if you don’t have a personal relationship with God.
So true it's a real repair I'm going through with the Lord leaving a church that is unhealthy it's been a year and two months now and I still feel the grip of past abuse I have to watch my self if I get into a works mentality and I struggle Abit In my relationship with God but where I am now is healthy with healthy Pastors
I love these videos, my husband and I just left a church after been a member for 40 years. God was speaking to us both about leaving, but we were afraid to talk about it, because they taught us if you talk about the church in a negative way God won’t bless you. Until 6 months ago God spoke to us both in a dream. We knew it was time to get from among those walls, and go into the hedge and highs to preach God word. We both are so glad we obeyed God voice. Fear will kill your walk with God We made up in our mind we can’t allow ppl or things to manipulate our destiny for their glory, after all those years in one church we never visit other churches, because they said other spirits would jump on you. Then my husband and I start looking at the different between Relationship VS Religion Relationship: allow you to know God, and love Gods ppl. Religion: allow you to talk about God, and judge His ppl. Please don’t let fear kill you with man made rules. God will never lead you wrong, but man will
Wow, another great video. I so identified the fear you talked about. I too had all that fear before I made the decision to leave the UPC. Having been a pastor’s daughter and minister’s wife, I knew the “fallout” that would come from my husband and I leaving the church. I left when I was 34 after being raised in it my whole life. It’s been almost four years now and I praise God He has given me peace and confidence in Him!! It hasn’t been easy by any stretch of the imagination. I “lost” my parents and brothers. When I say lost, I mean the close family ties. I am back slidden and going to Hell in their minds. I lost all my close friends and acquaintances. But, following Jesus Christ is more important than staying in something that is contrary to the Word of God. I still have struggles with missing my family and close friends, missing the community I enjoyed, but God is so faithful and He is providing. I would love for you to connect with my husband. It’s so nice to connect with people who understand and have this background. God bless you and keep dividing the Word!! :)
I was so happy to see this post today! I have been blessed by the things you have shared. I am studying the book of Galatians and feeling stronger..I remembered I am free! 😊Thanks
The Church at Carson City. In Carson City MI. Destroyed my family and life as I knew it. I was born and raised there. Left as a teen and lost everything. I’m 38 now and they’re still there. My father died there. My sister and mother have had their phone numbers changed (counseled to) I’ve spent all these years working on healing the trauma growing myself. I’d love to speak directly to you concerning these things. This video has hit the nail on the head.
I have spent the morning listening to your youtube videos. Thank you for putting words to so much of what I have experienced! We left 4 years ago and there was SO much to process I was just numb and trying to heal and help my family heal. I had SO much FEAR when I left and was actually completely shocked to identify it AFTER I had left because I hadn't really tagged myself a fearful person. ( I was LOYAL - I didn't call it fear ) Thank you again for taking the time and calmly revealing what so many of have lived.
I disagreed with so many things the UPC taught but I kept going because I was deceived into believing it was THE CHURCH. It wasn’t until I finally stopped going because I didn’t agree with them working for their own salvation that God opened up my eyes and revealed His Grace to me. Because of that it was so easy for me to leave that cult because I realized it actually was a cult! No going back for me!!
I believe the biggest reason for people staying in one of those churches is self preservation. Many confuse submission and honor with fear and trembling. It’s a sad thing
I left a UPC a little over 23 years ago . I was afraid to leave prior to leaving because I believed most of what I was taught and heard preached . The truth is , I saw heresy as Bible truth and Bible truth as heresy . A UPC is very enticing at first but once someone gets in hook , line , and sinker , it is extremely difficult to leave if someone believes what is deemed by the UPCI , to be essential Bible truth . I thank God , that one day , He opened my Spiritual eyes and helped me to read Scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit . I never realized how much truth was in Scripture that I did not see when I was in my UPC . I now know the truth about Salvation , the truth about the godhead , the truth about financial giving , the truth about the authority of the pastor , the truth about women's hair , and the truth about worship . I appreciate your presentation and am pleased to share it on my Blog . Keep up the good work .
Thank you so much for commenting, sharing and being here with me Bill. I hope in our journey of faith you'll continue to comment and be a part of DivideTheWord.blog. Would you mind sharing where we can find your blog? Many blessings,
When I was praying about leaving that church I wept. I was so weighed down with guilt and fear. I was leading my family to ruin. I was leading them out among the wolves. I was afraid my wife wouldn’t totally understand. I was told I was poisoning my wife against her family. These were horrible things and I was so depressed over it. Sometime I still struggle with depression over the fact that we want to meet with Gods people but we won’t do it in the system anymore. But my wife did understand. She was ready to leave as well. I told her I was afraid sometimes of what was said, that I was poisoning her. She laughed. I think we are saving our kids. We post what we believe and are called out by deacons, the little dogs of the church, and they try and refute us. We don’t believe any heresies! Honest.
I really like this information . Churches are becoming more covert. I didn't attend services for 3 Sundays due to sickness . The pastor called and I explained my situation said I'm better and I'll be at church on Sunday. When I got to church the message was about isolation . Huh?
Hi Jill, Someone comments on my blog all the time about the modern abusive church system, and he says this: What they want from you is that you Pray, Pay, Stay and Obey. This is why I no longer choose to attend 'church' in a building, with a pastor, an attendance program, a prayer log and all the trappings that come with being dependent on a church system to find Jesus. I visit my fathers' house often, but do not trust in 'church'. If God is omnipresent, and omniscient, and, as 1 John 2:27 says, the Spirit of God dwells in us permanently, and we need only His guiding to find truth. As for you, the anointing [the special gift, the preparation] which you received from Him remains [permanently] in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you. But just as His anointing teaches you [giving you insight through the presence of the Holy Spirit] about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as His anointing has taught you, [a]you must remain in Him [being rooted in Him, knit to Him]. - 1 John 2:27 AMP
It is definitely a transition that doesn't happen over night. I remember praying ,fasting and praying again over the months, not really having any friends, my entire family ,mother ,husband all legalists ...I really felt alone isolated, stopped attending most of the services because the last 3 times I went ,the pulpit would have to throw in ,WE are separated in our dress", I feel theres s a stigma about the way I dress when I walk in now ..…… .But God spoke to me and said ,you are pulling the Weeds out of your life. The Weeds of "legalism..... and when you look around it looks and seems bare to you . but after a while Grass will begin to grow again and fill in the bare areas. ...Hes giving me back my life again. , the devil doesn't like it ,BUT Praise God ! People who follow holiness tradition standards dress worldly because theyre following commandments of > MEN
Great video! I dealt with this fear when I left my church and a lot of the things you mentioned were revealed to me during my time spent in the Word, seeking God and His word for myself. Awesome, awesome message!
3:20 AMEEEEEEEN YES I have been dealing with this so much the past few weeks. I grew up in the apostolic Pentecostal UPC church and i grew up more afraid of God than of sin, hell and satan... NOT A GOD OF FEAR!
What's really sad many that stay for years (never grow up) and not understanding the concept of (Adulthood) in other words you being the (manager) of every area in life for example your finances,emotional, spirituality, sexuality,expertise, decision making skills, physical health,and autonomy. In adult life (your responsible) not your spouse pastor, church member, co worker, neighbor, mother, dad, brother, sister. This is ongoing process to gain power and influence in ones life and God directing you.
Wow! This video is just perfect time! My family is still recovering from spiritual abuse. My family has just left the church we attended for over 3 years. Experienced spiritual abuse by the Pastor because my husband and I have questioned his doctrine on tithing. During our meeting, he never quoted any bible verse on tithing to explain to us what he believe why he teaches 10% of your income to pay your tithe in the church and your giving and offering start only after you gave 10 % of your income. But what his answered to us was we differ on many things and we just be fully personal in our own mind. He said, he is been doing this for 37 years and it works and if he had to do it over again he would but he is not going to change he said. So my husband and I just left it that way knowing he teaches false doctrine on tithing. It didn't stop the fact that the truth is still the truth. I started sharing with my sister in Christ, we go to the same church what I know the truth and what the Bible says about tithing. The pastor found out that I was sharing to her about tithing and he messaged my husband, he became critical in his words telling him about me how I was sowing discord among brethren, a woman that create evil division among others in the church, labeled me as a woman who formed all wrong movements in our society and he said 90% of church and family split because of a woman take a lead in the family instead of a men undermining my husband's leadership in our family. He labeled me and my husband as devils or Satan in the book of Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14. He told my husband in his text that " YOU DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER MY CHURCH" AND " NO ONE HAVE GIVEN YOUR WIFE A JOB TO EDUCATE CHURCH MEMBERS" My husband and I were so shocked. I was truly hurt that our Pastor have said such things to us. We would never thought he would said what he said just because I shared the truth about tithing. He plainly got so mad at us because we were exposing his false doctrine on tithing an dhe didn't want to let people in the church to know the truth about tithing. Exactly what it says in the video. You can't ask questions, just listen to him, be loyal to him, not allowing members of the church to watch other preachers in the internet or don't read other books or informations unless he recommends. He never allow members of the church to get together or fellowship and have bible study in their houses. Just too much legalism. So glad we got out from that church. And we are free from the bondage of cult. Thank you Jesus.
Thanks for making another great video. Personally, I didn't experience this degree of fear, but I've often been described as a bit too cold and rational.
Amen my brother I hope your still ministering to the people of God , cause this need to be told to Christian that are still in bondage and in fear of leaving the church that are unhealthy and toxic God bless you my brother.
This right here reminds me of when I was a member of the Cogic denomination. I was so traumatized by that experience. I'm still recovering from that experience. It was all about money and power and position.If you didn't run around and spoke in tounge or if the pastor didn't favor you....you would be treated horribly.
Excellent video!!! As you said, Proverbs 2 tells us that the fear of God is the beginning of knowledge. The word "fear" in Hebrew is "yirah". It's a noun which literally means reverance, awe, piety but as you said, it doesn't mean timid, anxious, or being afraid. In essence, yirah means if one truly recognizes God as all-powerful, this will be reflected in his attitude and daily life in the form of reverence. It's a pious posture which performs practical functions in life. One who lives from a grateful heart and one who walks worthy of the gospel. For those in Christ, there is no condemnation to fear. Instead, we are given joy.
Thank you Dianna for commenting - I honestly did not know the Hebrew word used there, as 'yirah', but in prayer and reading I felt that was the true understanding of that phraseology. Thankful for your input as always! Many blessings,
I have left two abusive Churches and now find it almost implausible to trust another so attend occasionally but keep my eyes averted avoid contact and handshakes coffee times and just leave as soon as service ends, my relationship with God is dry and sporadic and I am depressed and full of sorrow often and the joy of life seems to elude me
Chris McCullough. Its the loneliness and lack of support that s hard. Read how Elijah had it. If Jesus came back now his whip would get worn-out fast in these so called churches. Keep believing I know its rough but keep on believing.
The pastors were never quite as bad as some of the examples you give... yet they pulled stuff like this... “God has blessed you. You are blessed to be a blessing. You need to give your first fruits and tithes... even if you cannot pay your bills or buy food you need to choose God over your family.” “You need to sign the covenant... you need to commit to a community. If you don’t you are a Lone Ranger... any father who doesn’t commit is leading his family to ruin and into the wolves...” Haha I’m so past all of the What-Ifs. It’s so freeing! My wife and I do love the Lord and His people.. i do want to see other people freed. We could have one heck of a great community!
I agree that it is very important to sort through the teachings. It's not about proving something wrong or right, but to discover for yourself what the Bible does say on a subject. Too often we blindly believed what was taught by a pastor, or when we did look into it, we saw the issue only through the eyes/glasses of our group. Keep an open mind and look at the passages (on whatever the subject is) in their context. To me, this is the way to get rid of the fear filled teachings once and for all.
Wow. Thank you for addressing this topic. It describes what I am experiencing at the moment. I am in the process of separating from this cult now, about to announce it publicly and it feels like it's the end of the world. I am struggling so much with fear. My husband is still a part of the cult and he doesn't even want to hear what I have to say. I've been afraid for our marriage. God has been so faithful to me though. I've been waking up with the lyrics to the song "I'm no longer a slave to fear". I believe God is working to help me get rid of fear. Thank you once again. Your content is such a blessing
Hi! Thank you for your concern. I left the cult. God gave me the courage. I've been out for over a year. It's one of the best decisions I've ever made. Spiritually, I am living the best time of my life. So much freedom in understanding the gospel correctly. It did come with a price though. My marriage is failing. I am doing everything I can to keep it together but my husband has not forgiven me for leaving. He has even become abusive at times. I'm praying for a change and waiting on the Lord.
So happy for you that you are free! The knowledge that eternal life is a free gift to anyone who believes in Jesus for it is so necessary for understanding God’s gracious personality:) Praying for you and your husband and your marrige🙏🏻
I have heard that an excellent book for understanding spiritual abuse is The Subtle Power Of Spiritual Abuse. I have not read it yet but plan to purchase it and read.
I recently come out of a United Pentecostal Church some weird remarks and text was sent to me by the certain pastor I'm not going to mention anything about what was sent I'll let God deal with it but the last straw was he was asking me to sign a document that i was going to pay tithes I told him that I've been given as I purposed in my heart 2nd Corinthians 9:7 that I wouldn't sign anything or even a tithe envelope Matthew 6 Jesus said that your alms are to be secret
Thank you. These videos are helping me. I'm going through allot right now and I feel like I'm alone. I friend of mine invited me to his church. I been thinking of going but I'm still in fear of being judged. I been drug and alcohol free for four years. I had cancer in my right but cheek and had a surgery to remove it about nine months ago. I had to have readyashon treatment for three month's straight. Now I just had a eight year relationship end. Sometimes I feel like I brought all these problems on myself for leaving church. I go to NA and AA meeting's and that helps me get through these problems. I know drinking and using drugs is not the answer to my problems but I still feel like something is missing in my life.
Tony, My personality is introverted, but I know many people who are big into community, and having that sense of belonging. That is a very difficult struggle for people exiting an abusive church system because, at least for me initially, I didn't want to be taken advantage of again, I had a lot of trust issues. What would be really good for you Tony is to connect with us on Facebook, we have a secret group of about 740 ex UPC people and it's a healing please where you can express your feelings, doubts, beliefs, and just talk out your healing. I hope you'll connect with me and find some community with us until you feel safe to visit another church.
I would be interested in hearing you speak on the worship within the Oneness churches. I am not a member of a Oneness church but do visit them from time to time. The things I have seen in their worship services boggles the mind. I believe that the way they define as "the moving of the Holy Spirit" is a trick of Satan! I have seen the majority of the congregation begin running around the church while joined in hands with a partner only to get bottle-necked at one point and have to run in place and scream in tongues while waiting for their turn to move on. I have seen them go into spasms and need people to grab them by their clothing so they won't hurt themselves (Really? Would the Holy Spirit do that to them?) They claim that they are the only ones to preach the "real truth of the Word of God" but yet during the sermon they scream and shout so loud that I could not hear one word the pastor preached. In a few instance the pastor was screaming out his sermon while surrounded within inches by 1 to 3 persons screaming at the top of their lungs for him to keep preaching the Word of God. They claim this is all done by being controlled by the Holy Spirit. Would the Holy Spirit really drown out the preaching of the word? I have had them shouting (literally shouting) within 1 inch of both ears at the same time, suddenly stop to take a yawn, then go back to shouting in my ear. The music they play is often so loud it creates headaches! At altar call I hear a woman scream (sing?) "Jump in! Jump in?" over and over until she honestly lost her voice. I met her after service and she was unable to talk. Does the Holy Spirit really need her to abuse her voice like that? I have seen them all stand up and sing happy birthday to a member with their hands raise in worship to the Lord. Have they ever studied what the scriptures say about "be still and know that I am God"? In addition the women, in their attempts to be modest, look down right slouchy! Honestly it looks like they are wearing colored gunny sacks. I have been in 105 degree weather and seen the men sweat profusely in wool suits and ties. And in one instance one of these men fainted and was rushed to the hospital for heat stroke. It all get ridiculous and I question, "Where is God in this church?" All I see is silly hysteria. I go there to accompany relatives when I visit them and I have never told them how I feel about what goes on in their church but there is one question I have that scares me - "Why can't they see these things that I see?"
This is a great topic and one that I plan for my Vague Dogma series that I have just started. Thank you! I happen to agree the majority of what you see in a Oneness Pentecostal and other Charismatic churches in their worship is NOT from God but inspired by other sources.
I can really relate on your information my brother for just lately we came out from a very delusional and abusive type of church and I am one of the Pastor of that church before as being ordained with a Co Senior Pastor but too much dogmatic and legalistic on his practice...he becomes so manipulative in power and tends to involve himself even in the most private life of everyone of his workers...claiming also that God is impressing all things to him in behalf of somebody...thus using terms as " God impress to me" or " God said "...
@Dexter I believe two things, 1) Scripture is the 'More Sure Word of Prophecy'. It is the prophetic utterances, and 2) If God has a 'Word' for me, then God will speak to me. That is why we all now have access to the same Spirit and are called in the same calling. Jesus Christ is our Priest and Prophet. Not other men. I simply can't count all the times that evangelists ran around proclaiming 'a word from the Lord' and they were so completely wrong it would make you laugh. One event - a man was sitting at the end of a pew, who was a first time visitor that picked the only open space he saw. To his right was a young woman. They neither knew each other nor had ever spoken. The evangelist ran down the aisle right to the man shouting, "God has plans for your marriage and I hear the pitter-patter of little feet in your marriage! No more will you struggle to conceive!" The man and woman looked at each other in shock and embarrassment. To my knowledge, they've never married.
@@DivideTheWordBlog thanks for your response my brother...after leaving that abusive church.,for about 7-8months from then I have talked from other Co church leaders before of that same church group that they have also decided to get out from the church because they have felt that there's really no freedom...
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I like the scriptures you shared in this video. I have read them several times and they are a few that come back to mind from time to time reminding me just the same what you have said about these verses.
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Wow same mornings we shared I used to get ready for church by sitting on the bed in fear and getting dressed for the abuse wow I used to cry Soo much on Sundays
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Galatians 3:13: "Christ redeemed us *FROM* the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
Smo, God did, but we do not see that pattern repeating itself in the New Testament. The fear we have been given is Antichrist. He himself [Christ] did not come to give us a Spirit of Fear, but of Love! If you believe the Scripture, you know that He [Christ] was the final atonement, the last 'curse' and one to be 'crushed' by the guilt and weight of sin. We are ALL sinners, and fall short of His glory, BUT, as Jesus told the adulteress in John 8, 'Neither do I condemn you'. Be free from the fear of bad religion and false teachers who want to use fear to keep you obedient to their wishes. You only need to follow Christ and nothing more. Blessings,
I can relate. I left a UPC church only to return to another because the other churches in my area were a little weird. I spoke with the pastor and told him I’m not interested in being controlled and he said he’s not out to do that. He doesn’t tell us how to dress but I’m still a little leery of the church.
Hi Rae, There are some UPC churches where pastors take the balanced approach that they aren't here to control/run peoples lives, simply deliver the Gospel. For that, I'm grateful. I personally believe their Doctrines, specifically around Holiness are man made commandments (Mark 7:7) and aren't Biblical, but some pastors will say 'This is how I do things, but it is between you and God to determine what you will do.'. I can praise those types of leaders. Blessings,
I heard a man say, if a pastor is WRONG he is still right because he is the pastor. Lol what a crazy thing to say. My former pastor who is Apostolic say that saying was plain stupid.
My old pastor taught, verbatim "If I'm teaching you someone outside of the Book, you just obey anyway. You don't want to be cursed for your disobedience." And every one said, Amen. Terrible teaching.
Amen, very insightful however, one thing did stick out to me, when you said hell is something some people teach on. Do you yourself believe there is a hell? God bless!
I don't think that's what he meant. I think he was saying that these cults teach that you will go to hell if you leave their church. It sounded like he didn't word it correctly at that moment
Hell is a place where people go to be consumed by fire and then are gone, not a place of eternal life in torture. Jesus says in John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. He did not say that those who did not believe in Him would also have eternal life but would experience that life being tortured. The contrast is those who do not believe in Him perish but those who do believe in Him live forever.
Praying curse I believe is horrible we used to do this in church I left wow make it hard for people bring hard ship on people I felt it was witch craft I felt cursed when I left
My mother always bragged about her curse prayers. I believe she probably never had a kind word to say to God about me my entire life. This last mothers day i had to play for a music special about how mother prayered with her precious tattered bible all those year and how my life would be basically garbage had she not sacrificed to show me the right way. It was nausiating. I know now that is witchcraft to pray evil on people. I believe curses are real and witchcraft is demonic. I wonder how to protect yourself from said curses.
Not so, you have to cancel, rebuke, and reject the words spoken over your life and declare that they will not take shape in your life or in the lives of your children (if applicable). Just as the words were spoken openly, you now have to openly denounce them. Because demons pick up negative words to perform them. This is why death and life are in the power of the tongue. Look at the curse that Jacob spoke over Reuben in Genesis. Reuben's children and his grandchildren failed in life until Moses renounced the curse in Deuteronomy 33. Just because you are a Christian and are spirit-filled doesn’t exempt you from following the laws of the scriptures. God's word teaches us what we should do, He doesn't do it for us although He will give us the wisdom to know what to do. Please read/study this for yourself. God bless you!
First of all I am not sure why you feel like that at all but I’m not in a cult number one and I do believe in deliverance from spirits that oppress people perhaps if you both weren’t busy tearing people down you might learn the same thing thank you
@@genevabaird3882 No one is tearing anyone down . There are abusive churches out there and a lot of people have been harmed in some way . Ralph does these videos to help people get a better understanding of scriptures and what has been taken out of context in many churches . These videos are geared to help those who've been in abusive churches to find some kind of healing and to be able to continue their walk with God outside an abusive system . If you've never had any problem in your church , that's great . But a lot of people have had unpleasant experiences in the churches they've gone to and carry emotional scars . I used to go to a UPC church , but I left in late February of this year . I believe in Acts 2:38 , but I'm questioning a lot of other things . There ARE good people in the UPC , but i've come to a place where I believe it's an abusive system . It's not all bad , but there are man made rules and expectations that have been put in place (imo) to control people . In abusive , controlling churches , fear is the main tool to keep people in line . I believe people have to live above sin to go to Heaven , but we're also under grace and are supposed to have liberty in Christ . The UPC (this can also apply to other churches and denominations) is all about rules and performance . As time has gone on , that has become a turn off to me . They're more concerned about "holiness standards" , how much money someone gives to the church , and whether someone goes to church every time the doors are open . But they don't reach out to the hurting . I see a lot of abuse and contradictions with organized religion , especially the UPC . I don't want to be a part of this system anymore . There's many others who watch these videos and belong to Facebook support groups who feel the same way I do . There ARE good churches , don't get me wrong . But there's also a lot of spiritual abuse as well . Just because others have gone through things that you didn't or no longer believe the same way you do , doesn't mean they shouldn't talk about their experiences and sort things out . Talking about abusive churches and the harm they do to people is not the same as tearing people down .
@@michellee2990 I agree I wasn’t raised in upc and my children are taught holiness standards but we respect them and the decisions that they make. Many people who are apart of the upc are being in religion and not relationship with Jesus we are such to listen to the lord and wait on him and be obedient to his ways in our life and how he wants to use us our biggest blessing has come from being obedient not to man but to the Holy Spirit , any where we go to worship we are looking for Liberty in the spirit and the fivefold ministry if it’s in order then we can receive what we need and others will benefit from our obedience but if we are to stay because everyone we know is there it becomes a club for the saints instead of a hospital for sinners. That’s my opinion on what I’ve seen and experienced . I came in to the church as an adult and doing so I saw many prodigals running from the church that’s why we have options and we respect our children choices. If it’s not time for people to be drawn by the spirit it simply isn’t the time the lord has appointed them everyone is to have a testimony and can’t without living first
@@genevabaird3882 I'm sorry for jumping to the conclusion that you were being self righteous , but it seemed that way because of how it was written . If someone has a lot of fear , then they can get deliverance from fear . I agree with that . It seemed like it was totally missing or ignoring the point of this video , wich is to talk about how abusive churches use fear to control their congregants and how people breaking away from these churches can be completely free from it .
Without my REAL RELATIONSHIP with Jesus, I couldn’t get out of my fears so do not say people DONT HAVE ONE if they have fear in their lives. We work it out TOGETHER. Nothing like contradicting yourself. You dont get over the trauma of leaving the only family many have had overnight either. it’s rough. Been traveling this road since the 80s and now people are talking about it. Y’all are spoiled rotten. Lol
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Instead of saying I left the church, I say I left that congregation....because I am the church.
Amen Janet
Well said brother
I appreciate the sentiment... and yet I would say it’s even better than “I am the church...” Jesus said He would build His ekklessia. I have stopped using the word “church” to refer to the people of God AT ALL. We are His full participatory congregation. His ekklessia.
It may seem like mere semantics but the Cherch will always toy around with terms and definitions and hide the truth of their position and what they believe which is THEY are the “church” and YOU are the laymen. They will also say “the Greek word for church is ekklessia” which is actually not true. The Greek word for Church is Kuriakon. The proper biblical term is not church at all but rather “congregation”.
Fear is used to control. Once that fear gets stored into our subconscious mind, it’s going to take a lot of reprogramming to remove that fear. Some of us have been so conditioned to take spiritual abuse, we wouldn’t know what to do without it. Even, when we know it’s not good for us. I encourage anyone to leave when spiritual abuse is taking place. Act 7:48 “God dwelleth not in temples made by hands.” God is within us. Being in a Church building don’t mean a thing, if you don’t have a personal relationship with God.
Well said, thank you!
So true it's a real repair I'm going through with the Lord leaving a church that is unhealthy it's been a year and two months now and I still feel the grip of past abuse I have to watch my self if I get into a works mentality and I struggle Abit In my relationship with God but where I am now is healthy with healthy Pastors
I love these videos, my husband and I just left a church after been a member for 40 years. God was speaking to us both about leaving, but we were afraid to talk about it, because they taught us if you talk about the church in a negative way God won’t bless you. Until 6 months ago God spoke to us both in a dream. We knew it was time to get from among those walls, and go into the hedge and highs to preach God word. We both are so glad we obeyed God voice. Fear will kill your walk with God
We made up in our mind we can’t allow ppl or things to manipulate our destiny for their glory, after all those years in one church we never visit other churches, because they said other spirits would jump on you. Then my husband and I start looking at the different between Relationship VS Religion
Relationship: allow you to know God, and love Gods ppl.
Religion: allow you to talk about God, and judge His ppl.
Please don’t let fear kill you with man made rules.
God will never lead you wrong, but man will
Soo true fear kills faith and faith kills fear they hate each other Soo much.
Well said Sister God Bless you and your husband
Wow, another great video. I so identified the fear you talked about. I too had all that fear before I made the decision to leave the UPC. Having been a pastor’s daughter and minister’s wife, I knew the “fallout” that would come from my husband and I leaving the church. I left when I was 34 after being raised in it my whole life. It’s been almost four years now and I praise God He has given me peace and confidence in Him!! It hasn’t been easy by any stretch of the imagination. I “lost” my parents and brothers. When I say lost, I mean the close family ties. I am back slidden and going to Hell in their minds. I lost all my close friends and acquaintances. But, following Jesus Christ is more important than staying in something that is contrary to the Word of God. I still have struggles with missing my family and close friends, missing the community I enjoyed, but God is so faithful and He is providing. I would love for you to connect with my husband. It’s so nice to connect with people who understand and have this background. God bless you and keep dividing the Word!! :)
I was so happy to see this post today! I have been blessed by the things you have shared. I am studying the book of Galatians and feeling stronger..I remembered I am free! 😊Thanks
The Church at Carson City. In Carson City MI. Destroyed my family and life as I knew it. I was born and raised there. Left as a teen and lost everything. I’m 38 now and they’re still there. My father died there. My sister and mother have had their phone numbers changed (counseled to) I’ve spent all these years working on healing the trauma growing myself. I’d love to speak directly to you concerning these things. This video has hit the nail on the head.
I have spent the morning listening to your youtube videos. Thank you for putting words to so much of what I have experienced! We left 4 years ago and there was SO much to process I was just numb and trying to heal and help my family heal.
I had SO much FEAR when I left and was actually completely shocked to identify it AFTER I had left because I hadn't really tagged myself a fearful person. ( I was LOYAL - I didn't call it fear )
Thank you again for taking the time and calmly revealing what so many of have lived.
Fortunately, the Word of God does not just spotlight problems - which it must do - it also offers us amazing solutions.
People stay in church because of codependency and fear of developing true autonomy within self
This is good material I pray that my brothers and sisters would watch this and study God word for themselves
AMEN
I disagreed with so many things the UPC taught but I kept going because I was deceived into believing it was THE CHURCH. It wasn’t until I finally stopped going because I didn’t agree with them working for their own salvation that God opened up my eyes and revealed His Grace to me. Because of that it was so easy for me to leave that cult because I realized it actually was a cult! No going back for me!!
Wow I had the same issue, kept going back but God opened my eyes too
Same thing for me and Jehovahs Witnesses.
I believe the biggest reason for people staying in one of those churches is self preservation. Many confuse submission and honor with fear and trembling. It’s a sad thing
That is on of the truest statements I've heard in this topic in a long time
I left a UPC a little over 23 years ago . I was afraid to leave prior to leaving because I believed most of what I was taught and heard preached . The truth is , I saw heresy as Bible truth and Bible truth as heresy . A UPC is very enticing at first but once someone gets in hook , line , and sinker , it is extremely difficult to leave if someone believes what is deemed by the UPCI , to be essential Bible truth . I thank God , that one day , He opened my Spiritual eyes and helped me to read Scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit . I never realized how much truth was in Scripture that I did not see when I was in my UPC . I now know the truth about Salvation , the truth about the godhead , the truth about financial giving , the truth about the authority of the pastor , the truth about women's hair , and the truth about worship . I appreciate your presentation and am pleased to share it on my Blog . Keep up the good work .
Thank you so much for commenting, sharing and being here with me Bill. I hope in our journey of faith you'll continue to comment and be a part of DivideTheWord.blog.
Would you mind sharing where we can find your blog?
Many blessings,
My Blog which is on BlogSpot , is called Former Or Future Former United Pentecostals .
When I was praying about leaving that church I wept. I was so weighed down with guilt and fear. I was leading my family to ruin. I was leading them out among the wolves. I was afraid my wife wouldn’t totally understand. I was told I was poisoning my wife against her family. These were horrible things and I was so depressed over it. Sometime I still struggle with depression over the fact that we want to meet with Gods people but we won’t do it in the system anymore. But my wife did understand. She was ready to leave as well. I told her I was afraid sometimes of what was said, that I was poisoning her. She laughed.
I think we are saving our kids.
We post what we believe and are called out by deacons, the little dogs of the church, and they try and refute us. We don’t believe any heresies! Honest.
steven Anderson's so-called followers need this so very much.
When life's broken places lead us to Jesus, ultimately we will find hope.
I really like this information . Churches are becoming more covert. I didn't attend services for 3 Sundays due to sickness . The pastor called and I explained my situation said I'm better and I'll be at church on Sunday. When I got to church the message was about isolation . Huh?
Hi Jill,
Someone comments on my blog all the time about the modern abusive church system, and he says this:
What they want from you is that you Pray, Pay, Stay and Obey.
This is why I no longer choose to attend 'church' in a building, with a pastor, an attendance program, a prayer log and all the trappings that come with being dependent on a church system to find Jesus. I visit my fathers' house often, but do not trust in 'church'. If God is omnipresent, and omniscient, and, as 1 John 2:27 says, the Spirit of God dwells in us permanently, and we need only His guiding to find truth.
As for you, the anointing [the special gift, the preparation] which you received from Him remains [permanently] in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you. But just as His anointing teaches you [giving you insight through the presence of the Holy Spirit] about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as His anointing has taught you, [a]you must remain in Him [being rooted in Him, knit to Him]. - 1 John 2:27 AMP
It is definitely a transition that doesn't happen over night. I remember praying ,fasting and praying again over the months, not really having any friends, my entire family ,mother ,husband all legalists ...I really felt alone isolated, stopped attending most of the services because the last 3 times I went ,the pulpit would have to throw in ,WE are separated in our dress", I feel theres s a stigma about the way I dress when I walk in now ..……
.But God spoke to me and said ,you are pulling the Weeds out of your life. The Weeds of "legalism..... and when you look around it looks and seems bare to you . but after a while Grass will begin to grow again and fill in the bare areas. ...Hes giving me back my life again. , the devil doesn't like it ,BUT Praise God !
People who follow holiness tradition standards dress worldly because theyre following commandments of > MEN
Great video! I dealt with this fear when I left my church and a lot of the things you mentioned were revealed to me during my time spent in the Word, seeking God and His word for myself. Awesome, awesome message!
Thank you Jolie for stopping by and watching the video. I appreciate your time here. Blessings,
3:20 AMEEEEEEEN YES I have been dealing with this so much the past few weeks. I grew up in the apostolic Pentecostal UPC church and i grew up more afraid of God than of sin, hell and satan... NOT A GOD OF FEAR!
What's really sad many that stay for years (never grow up) and not understanding the concept of (Adulthood) in other words you being the (manager) of every area in life for example your finances,emotional, spirituality, sexuality,expertise, decision making skills, physical health,and autonomy. In adult life (your responsible) not your spouse pastor, church member, co worker, neighbor, mother, dad, brother, sister. This is ongoing process to gain power and influence in ones life and God directing you.
Wow! This video is just perfect time! My family is still recovering from spiritual abuse. My family has just left the church we attended for over 3 years. Experienced spiritual abuse by the Pastor because my husband and I have questioned his doctrine on tithing. During our meeting, he never quoted any bible verse on tithing to explain to us what he believe why he teaches 10% of your income to pay your tithe in the church and your giving and offering start only after you gave 10 % of your income. But what his answered to us was we differ on many things and we just be fully personal in our own mind. He said, he is been doing this for 37 years and it works and if he had to do it over again he would but he is not going to change he said. So my husband and I just left it that way knowing he teaches false doctrine on tithing.
It didn't stop the fact that the truth is still the truth. I started sharing with my sister in Christ, we go to the same church what I know the truth and what the Bible says about tithing. The pastor found out that I was sharing to her about tithing and he messaged my husband, he became critical in his words telling him about me how I was sowing discord among brethren, a woman that create evil division among others in the church, labeled me as a woman who formed all wrong movements in our society and he said 90% of church and family split because of a woman take a lead in the family instead of a men undermining my husband's leadership in our family. He labeled me and my husband as devils or Satan in the book of Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14. He told my husband in his text that " YOU DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER MY CHURCH" AND " NO ONE HAVE GIVEN YOUR WIFE A JOB TO EDUCATE CHURCH MEMBERS"
My husband and I were so shocked. I was truly hurt that our Pastor have said such things to us. We would never thought he would said what he said just because I shared the truth about tithing. He plainly got so mad at us because we were exposing his false doctrine on tithing an dhe didn't want to let people in the church to know the truth about tithing. Exactly what it says in the video. You can't ask questions, just listen to him, be loyal to him, not allowing members of the church to watch other preachers in the internet or don't read other books or informations unless he recommends. He never allow members of the church to get together or fellowship and have bible study in their houses. Just too much legalism. So glad we got out from that church. And we are free from the bondage of cult. Thank you Jesus.
I mean the Pastor told us to be fully persuaded in our own mind when we asked him about his doctrine on tithing.
Was it The door/the potter's house?
What is the link on the truth about tithing?
Thanks for making another great video. Personally, I didn't experience this degree of fear, but I've often been described as a bit too cold and rational.
Amen my brother I hope your still ministering to the people of God , cause this need to be told to Christian that are still in bondage and in fear of leaving the church that are unhealthy and toxic God bless you my brother.
Blessings to you as well,
This right here reminds me of when I was a member of the Cogic denomination. I was so traumatized by that experience. I'm still recovering from that experience. It was all about money and power and position.If you didn't run around and spoke in tounge or if the pastor didn't favor you....you would be treated horribly.
Excellent video!!! As you said, Proverbs 2 tells us that the fear of God is the beginning of knowledge. The word "fear" in Hebrew is "yirah". It's a noun which literally means reverance, awe, piety but as you said, it doesn't mean timid, anxious, or being afraid. In essence, yirah means if one truly recognizes God as all-powerful, this will be reflected in his attitude and daily life in the form of reverence. It's a pious posture which performs practical functions in life. One who lives from a grateful heart and one who walks worthy of the gospel. For those in Christ, there is no condemnation to fear. Instead, we are given joy.
Thank you Dianna for commenting - I honestly did not know the Hebrew word used there, as 'yirah', but in prayer and reading I felt that was the true understanding of that phraseology.
Thankful for your input as always! Many blessings,
Thank you so much for shining light into the darkness of the NAR movement. 💕
I have left two abusive Churches and now find it almost implausible to trust another so attend occasionally but keep my eyes averted avoid contact and handshakes coffee times and just leave as soon as service ends, my relationship with God is dry and sporadic and I am depressed and full of sorrow often and the joy of life seems to elude me
Chris McCullough. Its the loneliness and lack of support that s hard. Read how Elijah had it. If Jesus came back now his whip would get worn-out fast in these so called churches. Keep believing I know its rough but keep on believing.
The pastors were never quite as bad as some of the examples you give... yet they pulled stuff like this...
“God has blessed you. You are blessed to be a blessing. You need to give your first fruits and tithes... even if you cannot pay your bills or buy food you need to choose God over your family.”
“You need to sign the covenant... you need to commit to a community. If you don’t you are a Lone Ranger... any father who doesn’t commit is leading his family to ruin and into the wolves...”
Haha I’m so past all of the What-Ifs. It’s so freeing!
My wife and I do love the Lord and His people.. i do want to see other people freed. We could have one heck of a great community!
I agree that it is very important to sort through the teachings. It's not about proving something wrong or right, but to discover for yourself what the Bible does say on a subject. Too often we blindly believed what was taught by a pastor, or when we did look into it, we saw the issue only through the eyes/glasses of our group. Keep an open mind and look at the passages (on whatever the subject is) in their context. To me, this is the way to get rid of the fear filled teachings once and for all.
Thank you again for commenting! I look forward to your input when you are able to post here.
Many blessings,
Wow. Thank you for addressing this topic. It describes what I am experiencing at the moment. I am in the process of separating from this cult now, about to announce it publicly and it feels like it's the end of the world. I am struggling so much with fear. My husband is still a part of the cult and he doesn't even want to hear what I have to say. I've been afraid for our marriage. God has been so faithful to me though. I've been waking up with the lyrics to the song "I'm no longer a slave to fear". I believe God is working to help me get rid of fear. Thank you once again. Your content is such a blessing
Paula Gonzalez: How are you doing?
Hi! Thank you for your concern. I left the cult. God gave me the courage. I've been out for over a year. It's one of the best decisions I've ever made. Spiritually, I am living the best time of my life. So much freedom in understanding the gospel correctly. It did come with a price though. My marriage is failing. I am doing everything I can to keep it together but my husband has not forgiven me for leaving. He has even become abusive at times. I'm praying for a change and waiting on the Lord.
So happy for you that you are free! The knowledge that eternal life is a free gift to anyone who believes in Jesus for it is so necessary for understanding God’s gracious personality:) Praying for you and your husband and your marrige🙏🏻
I have heard that an excellent book for understanding spiritual abuse is The Subtle Power Of Spiritual Abuse. I have not read it yet but plan to purchase it and read.
Thank you for your prayers and the book recommendation. I'll be looking into it, God willing.
Wow! Another excellent video. There’s so many people going through this!!
I recently come out of a United Pentecostal Church some weird remarks and text was sent to me by the certain pastor I'm not going to mention anything about what was sent I'll let God deal with it but the last straw was he was asking me to sign a document that i was going to pay tithes I told him that I've been given as I purposed in my heart 2nd Corinthians 9:7 that I wouldn't sign anything or even a tithe envelope Matthew 6 Jesus said that your alms are to be secret
I love ❤️ your commentary.
I see the word Fear God is more like Respect God! We have a respect for him that is very sincere.
Thank you. These videos are helping me. I'm going through allot right now and I feel like I'm alone. I friend of mine invited me to his church. I been thinking of going but I'm still in fear of being judged. I been drug and alcohol free for four years. I had cancer in my right but cheek and had a surgery to remove it about nine months ago. I had to have readyashon treatment for three month's straight. Now I just had a eight year relationship end. Sometimes I feel like I brought all these problems on myself for leaving church. I go to NA and AA meeting's and that helps me get through these problems. I know drinking and using drugs is not the answer to my problems but I still feel like something is missing in my life.
Tony, My personality is introverted, but I know many people who are big into community, and having that sense of belonging. That is a very difficult struggle for people exiting an abusive church system because, at least for me initially, I didn't want to be taken advantage of again, I had a lot of trust issues.
What would be really good for you Tony is to connect with us on Facebook, we have a secret group of about 740 ex UPC people and it's a healing please where you can express your feelings, doubts, beliefs, and just talk out your healing.
I hope you'll connect with me and find some community with us until you feel safe to visit another church.
Thank you.
I would be interested in hearing you speak on the worship within the Oneness churches. I am not a member of a Oneness church but do visit them from time to time. The things I have seen in their worship services boggles the mind. I believe that the way they define as "the moving of the Holy Spirit" is a trick of Satan! I have seen the majority of the congregation begin running around the church while joined in hands with a partner only to get bottle-necked at one point and have to run in place and scream in tongues while waiting for their turn to move on. I have seen them go into spasms and need people to grab them by their clothing so they won't hurt themselves (Really? Would the Holy Spirit do that to them?) They claim that they are the only ones to preach the "real truth of the Word of God" but yet during the sermon they scream and shout so loud that I could not hear one word the pastor preached. In a few instance the pastor was screaming out his sermon while surrounded within inches by 1 to 3 persons screaming at the top of their lungs for him to keep preaching the Word of God. They claim this is all done by being controlled by the Holy Spirit. Would the Holy Spirit really drown out the preaching of the word? I have had them shouting (literally shouting) within 1 inch of both ears at the same time, suddenly stop to take a yawn, then go back to shouting in my ear. The music they play is often so loud it creates headaches! At altar call I hear a woman scream (sing?) "Jump in! Jump in?" over and over until she honestly lost her voice. I met her after service and she was unable to talk. Does the Holy Spirit really need her to abuse her voice like that? I have seen them all stand up and sing happy birthday to a member with their hands raise in worship to the Lord. Have they ever studied what the scriptures say about "be still and know that I am God"?
In addition the women, in their attempts to be modest, look down right slouchy! Honestly it looks like they are wearing colored gunny sacks. I have been in 105 degree weather and seen the men sweat profusely in wool suits and ties. And in one instance one of these men fainted and was rushed to the hospital for heat stroke. It all get ridiculous and I question, "Where is God in this church?" All I see is silly hysteria. I go there to accompany relatives when I visit them and I have never told them how I feel about what goes on in their church but there is one question I have that scares me - "Why can't they see these things that I see?"
This is a great topic and one that I plan for my Vague Dogma series that I have just started.
Thank you! I happen to agree the majority of what you see in a Oneness Pentecostal and other Charismatic churches in their worship is NOT from God but inspired by other sources.
I can really relate on your information my brother for just lately we came out from a very delusional and abusive type of church and I am one of the Pastor of that church before as being ordained with a Co Senior Pastor but too much dogmatic and legalistic on his practice...he becomes so manipulative in power and tends to involve himself even in the most private life of everyone of his workers...claiming also that God is impressing all things to him in behalf of somebody...thus using terms as " God impress to me" or
" God said "...
@Dexter I believe two things, 1) Scripture is the 'More Sure Word of Prophecy'. It is the prophetic utterances, and 2) If God has a 'Word' for me, then God will speak to me. That is why we all now have access to the same Spirit and are called in the same calling. Jesus Christ is our Priest and Prophet. Not other men.
I simply can't count all the times that evangelists ran around proclaiming 'a word from the Lord' and they were so completely wrong it would make you laugh. One event - a man was sitting at the end of a pew, who was a first time visitor that picked the only open space he saw. To his right was a young woman. They neither knew each other nor had ever spoken.
The evangelist ran down the aisle right to the man shouting, "God has plans for your marriage and I hear the pitter-patter of little feet in your marriage! No more will you struggle to conceive!" The man and woman looked at each other in shock and embarrassment. To my knowledge, they've never married.
@@DivideTheWordBlog thanks for your response my brother...after leaving that abusive church.,for about 7-8months from then I have talked from other Co church leaders before of that same church group that they have also decided to get out from the church because they have felt that there's really no freedom...
Amazing information! Keep track of the videos, looking towards paying attention to much more of them
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@@antoniomonteiroai done
I like the scriptures you shared in this video. I have read them several times and they are a few that come back to mind from time to time reminding me just the same what you have said about these verses.
Thank you again Ashley for watching and commenting!
Hey, just wanted to say hi on here. I had already found your RUclips channel and subscribed a while ago.
Looking forward to getting to know you better. God bless!
Thank you for stopping by David - hope to continue hearing from you.
Wow same mornings we shared I used to get ready for church by sitting on the bed in fear and getting dressed for the abuse wow I used to cry Soo much on Sundays
Am not alone!
😳 at 7:00. That is terrible and sad that people actually do that.
8 years of severe gaslighting, spoke death over me, then carried out plot to
silence me and I almost died.
Great
Great word! 🔥🔥
I held on, and it nearly destroyed me.
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Galatians 3:13: "Christ redeemed us *FROM* the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
Amen
God did curse and crush in old testament. This is what was used against me. This is where I fear God!
Smo, God did, but we do not see that pattern repeating itself in the New Testament. The fear we have been given is Antichrist. He himself [Christ] did not come to give us a Spirit of Fear, but of Love! If you believe the Scripture, you know that He [Christ] was the final atonement, the last 'curse' and one to be 'crushed' by the guilt and weight of sin.
We are ALL sinners, and fall short of His glory, BUT, as Jesus told the adulteress in John 8, 'Neither do I condemn you'. Be free from the fear of bad religion and false teachers who want to use fear to keep you obedient to their wishes. You only need to follow Christ and nothing more.
Blessings,
@@DivideTheWordBlog thank you for a different way to look at this! Something clicked!
I can relate. I left a UPC church only to return to another because the other churches in my area were a little weird. I spoke with the pastor and told him I’m not interested in being controlled and he said he’s not out to do that. He doesn’t tell us how to dress but I’m still a little leery of the church.
Hi Rae,
There are some UPC churches where pastors take the balanced approach that they aren't here to control/run peoples lives, simply deliver the Gospel. For that, I'm grateful.
I personally believe their Doctrines, specifically around Holiness are man made commandments (Mark 7:7) and aren't Biblical, but some pastors will say 'This is how I do things, but it is between you and God to determine what you will do.'. I can praise those types of leaders.
Blessings,
I think what’s causing me to feel like I’m violating Gods law is by not reconciling with the people in the church especially the pastors
Thank you
The Bereans were more noble because they would study the scriptures to see if these things were so.
I heard a man say, if a pastor is WRONG he is still right because he is the pastor. Lol what a crazy thing to say. My former pastor who is Apostolic say that saying was plain stupid.
My old pastor taught, verbatim "If I'm teaching you someone outside of the Book, you just obey anyway. You don't want to be cursed for your disobedience."
And every one said, Amen.
Terrible teaching.
Amen, very insightful however, one thing did stick out to me, when you said hell is something some people teach on. Do you yourself believe there is a hell? God bless!
I don't think that's what he meant. I think he was saying that these cults teach that you will go to hell if you leave their church. It sounded like he didn't word it correctly at that moment
Hell is a place where people go to be consumed by fire and then are gone, not a place of eternal life in torture. Jesus says in John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. He did not say that those who did not believe in Him would also have eternal life but would experience that life being tortured. The contrast is those who do not believe in Him perish but those who do believe in Him live forever.
Praying curse I believe is horrible we used to do this in church I left wow make it hard for people bring hard ship on people I felt it was witch craft I felt cursed when I left
My mother always bragged about her curse prayers. I believe she probably never had a kind word to say to God about me my entire life. This last mothers day i had to play for a music special about how mother prayered with her precious tattered bible all those year and how my life would be basically garbage had she not sacrificed to show me the right way. It was nausiating. I know now that is witchcraft to pray evil on people. I believe curses are real and witchcraft is demonic. I wonder how to protect yourself from said curses.
You are covered by the blood of Jesus and what God has blessed they cannot curse. Pray daily stay connected to the Father.
@@godsaysyes2131 that is a good verse thank you for The reminder!
Not so, you have to cancel, rebuke, and reject the words spoken over your life and declare that they will not take shape in your life or in the lives of your children (if applicable). Just as the words were spoken openly, you now have to openly denounce them. Because demons pick up negative words to perform them. This is why death and life are in the power of the tongue. Look at the curse that Jacob spoke over Reuben in Genesis. Reuben's children and his grandchildren failed in life until Moses renounced the curse in Deuteronomy 33. Just because you are a Christian and are spirit-filled doesn’t exempt you from following the laws of the scriptures. God's word teaches us what we should do, He doesn't do it for us although He will give us the wisdom to know what to do. Please read/study this for yourself. God bless you!
Maybe you could just get deliverance from fear...
Geneva Baird The cult, itself, puts a spirit of fear on you
First of all I am not sure why you feel like that at all but I’m not in a cult number one and I do believe in deliverance from spirits that oppress people perhaps if you both weren’t busy tearing people down you might learn the same thing thank you
@@genevabaird3882 No one is tearing anyone down . There are abusive churches out there and a lot of people have been harmed in some way . Ralph does these videos to help people get a better understanding of scriptures and what has been taken out of context in many churches . These videos are geared to help those who've been in abusive churches to find some kind of healing and to be able to continue their walk with God outside an abusive system . If you've never had any problem in your church , that's great . But a lot of people have had unpleasant experiences in the churches they've gone to and carry emotional scars . I used to go to a UPC church , but I left in late February of this year . I believe in Acts 2:38 , but I'm questioning a lot of other things . There ARE good people in the UPC , but i've come to a place where I believe it's an abusive system . It's not all bad , but there are man made rules and expectations that have been put in place (imo) to control people . In abusive , controlling churches , fear is the main tool to keep people in line . I believe people have to live above sin to go to Heaven , but we're also under grace and are supposed to have liberty in Christ . The UPC (this can also apply to other churches and denominations) is all about rules and performance . As time has gone on , that has become a turn off to me . They're more concerned about "holiness standards" , how much money someone gives to the church , and whether someone goes to church every time the doors are open . But they don't reach out to the hurting . I see a lot of abuse and contradictions with organized religion , especially the UPC . I don't want to be a part of this system anymore . There's many others who watch these videos and belong to Facebook support groups who feel the same way I do . There ARE good churches , don't get me wrong . But there's also a lot of spiritual abuse as well . Just because others have gone through things that you didn't or no longer believe the same way you do , doesn't mean they shouldn't talk about their experiences and sort things out . Talking about abusive churches and the harm they do to people is not the same as tearing people down .
@@michellee2990 I agree I wasn’t raised in upc and my children are taught holiness standards but we respect them and the decisions that they make. Many people who are apart of the upc are being in religion and not relationship with Jesus we are such to listen to the lord and wait on him and be obedient to his ways in our life and how he wants to use us our biggest blessing has come from being obedient not to man but to the Holy Spirit , any where we go to worship we are looking for Liberty in the spirit and the fivefold ministry if it’s in order then we can receive what we need and others will benefit from our obedience but if we are to stay because everyone we know is there it becomes a club for the saints instead of a hospital for sinners. That’s my opinion on what I’ve seen and experienced . I came in to the church as an adult and doing so I saw many prodigals running from the church that’s why we have options and we respect our children choices. If it’s not time for people to be drawn by the spirit it simply isn’t the time the lord has appointed them everyone is to have a testimony and can’t without living first
@@genevabaird3882 I'm sorry for jumping to the conclusion that you were being self righteous , but it seemed that way because of how it was written . If someone has a lot of fear , then they can get deliverance from fear . I agree with that . It seemed like it was totally missing or ignoring the point of this video , wich is to talk about how abusive churches use fear to control their congregants and how people breaking away from these churches can be completely free from it .
Without my REAL RELATIONSHIP with Jesus, I couldn’t get out of my fears so do not say people DONT HAVE ONE if they have fear in their lives. We work it out TOGETHER. Nothing like contradicting yourself. You dont get over the trauma of leaving the only family many have had overnight either. it’s rough. Been traveling this road since the 80s and now people are talking about it. Y’all are spoiled rotten. Lol
He said if it's BUILT UPON FEAR.
AND HES 100% CORRECT.
KJB is perfect, pure and preserved.
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