Commander Shark Tank | Commander Clash Podcast 73
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- The crew enters the Shark Tank to pitch their favorite cards to the group!
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00:00 Introduction
03:56 The Celestus
09:57 Brotherhood's End
16:02 Collective Restraint
23:18 Bolt Bend
30:02 Hatred
35:11 Akroma's Will
40:20 Szat's Will
46:54 Yasharn, Implacable Earth
51:53 Strip Mine
56:47 Ertai Resurrected
01:01:16 Overburden
01:04:55 Fade Away 
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You guys have to make this a recurring series and call it The Fish Bowl. Maybe even get outside guests to propose cards as well. This could be a really fun way to get creators to show off their pet cards.
Yes. They NEED to see this.
Yeeeeeessss. Would love to see this happen with other creators like Spice8Rack, PleasantKenobi, Richard, etc.
yes please!!!!
Yes! And guest judges too! This video was a home run.
I want the Fish Bowl
Tomer: “Alright guys, my card is Forest. It’s a Basic land, it taps for Green…”
Crim: “That sucks, I’m out.”
Crim selling Akroma's Will is like Bezos coming on to Shark Tank and telling them to invest in Amazon.
Seth's individual pitches for each other player was fantastic!
Im now sold on a few of these cards!! PLEASE make this a recurring series! This was super fun!!!
Agreed! This has gotta stick around.
They have to use cards they haven't advocated before though. And with 90seconds instead of 60.
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My First thought on "Hatred" was ... you can redirect it with "Bolt Bend" 🤣🤣🤣
SAME! :D
put it in Prosper decks , nobody blocks a 1/4 deathtouch and boom 20 life and 21 comander damage
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Couple of thoughts:
- This episode was great and it would be fun to see more like it!
- Richard should make an appearance for a future one as he’d make a great shark. 😂
- Seth’s individual pitches were fantastic and everyone else should take notes! 🤣
Also, sorry to everyone who did audio only and didn’t see Tomer’s reaction to “I don’t even like deflecting swat.” Lol
And they won't see this post. So for whom is your last comment?
I listened audio only and saw this comment so thank you!
I concur !
i would love to hear richards thoughts. he plays a lot of obscure jank that works out.
Bolt bending an opponents time stretch (and many times warps in historic brawl) into yourself is a feeling that cannot be ever forgotten
This is the Podcast where we needed the Codfather!
I love how Crim gets so entertained by Tomer’s last card that the video and audio for only Crim gets completely desynced 😂
Seth: The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a strip mine is a good guy with a strip mine.
The foreshadowing of Tomer bolt bending a hatred is in the works.
Haven't watched it yet, I bet tomer will say Fade away.
Flood gate
Flumph
Called it
Fade away got a lot worse with treasures.
I hope this becomes on a series because I want to hear Richard die on a hill with this (on some random mediocre white cards we haven't heard him talk about, not his favorite controversies like Rendezvous)
Yasharn shuts down hatred. Sold!
Love the premise and flavor of this episode! The little touches like the timing and music made it feel awesome!
My favorite Bolt Bend story was winning a game by swapping targets of an Aether flux Reservoir back to it's owner. I was playing a budget $20 deck and the opponent was running a $5000 deck.
I bet he was shocked he lost.
@@eon2330 He may have stormed off.
Need more of these, especially with special guest Richard giving us his "secret rendezvous" pitch on why something is underrated. I'd definitely like to see them change it where the timer only starts after the person has finished reading their card, so they get the full minute to make their pitch.
Chef's Kiss is the funny version of Bolt Bend.
I’m with you on Bolt Bend. I run it in my Miirym deck and it saves my commander or my Terror of the Peaks so many times
I think tomers problem is his sharks dont play enough voltron or commander specific decks (unless crim is playing blue)
Seth is an incredible pitch man.
Great stuff! I'm sold on basically all of these.
If I had to pitch a card, it would be Tainted Strike. It can be an absolute blow out, can target your opponents' creatures as they swing out at another player, can shrink an otherwise intimidating blocker, and if you have any way to proliferate incidentally you can get a clock against someone. "I didn't kill you! It was X's creature attacking you that did it. Sure I gave it infect, but that doesn't count"
A suggestion if you guys do this again would be to put a check mark next to the person who liked the card so we could know after all the heated discussion if they liked the card
I thought this was gonna be an episode where you guys pitch original card ideas, but this is also fun! I'd love to see that episode someday too though
I LOVE this idea, guys. Hope there's more installments!
Oh got a great cards slept on:
Make an Example
4 mana and sorcery. But *at worst* you eliminate everyone's best creature. It's generally a better Soul Shatter in most circumstances since you choose the pile meaning it's not always the highest MV but highest priority based on table state. Gets around shroud/hexproof/regeneration/indestructible. Politically can be used to not remove anything if they trust you.
It's so good!
A good argument for Bolt Bend would be that despite it is situational, the sotuations it is good for actually come up quite often in a commander game.
Play it as a value piece, NOT as removal or protection.
Awesome premise. Love you guys.
I like this concept and would like to see more of these. I think collective restraint and taxing effects often get overlooked for aggressive decks as well. It allows you to go wide and put your shields down. It's a psudeo vigilance as well.
Just finished the recent Clash episode and there was a point where you guys were talking about the DMU Tribal Lords that made me think: Y'all could totally do a Clash Podcast talking about tribes. Either ranking the various tribes and/or tribe members or just shouting out your favourite tribes to play.
Cheers.
Bolt bend blows Out hatred.
Yasharn shuts Off hatred.
I notice a pattern in tomers cards
Wow, this fade away pitch really sold me!
I really really enjoyed this episode. Would love to see more reality tv/game show episodes of commander clash, or even just another one of these. definitely +1
One of my favorite episodes by far, would love to see another edition sometime!
I absolutely LOVED Overburden when Rebels ran rampant in standard. It did a decent number on Fires decks, too.
You guys just have the best vibes in this video - love it!
I have a sneaking suspicion that the topic for this episode was selected solely so that Tomer could make the case for Fade Away again
IMHO my Shark Tank card would probably be Transmogrifying Wand... This card does only one thing, but the effect is staggeringly good in colours that suck at removing creatures (which is now only Green iirc, but I run Wand in my Azorius deck, it's got a huge upside in hitting 3 bodies over time). Another sneakily useful card is Banshee... Yes, it's a 4 mana 0/1, but it's also a really bittersweet pinger that can scale with the game! If your games go long, you might be able to keep various Commanders off the table with this card, frankly that's value. Yes, you could just run Viscera (I do run that in more competitive decks), but Banshee synergizes with tons of stuff. It's a surprise to me how often it and Gorilla Shaman can be drawn and feel sweet, blowing stuff up for mana and no cards is sweet lae game.
I like Brotherhood's End with 4 mana rocks I guess, so it's a maybe? I feel like 3 damage isn't a big enough wipe, you'll miss too much.
My problem with Collective Restraint is that it's not War Tax, the true alpha of the 'tax to swing' cards IMHO, it's just so much more versatile, you can easily hose an archenemy who needs to swing. I also feel like it's a questionable card if it's worse than Propaganda, but it's worth noting that even in mono-Blue you can run Urborg and Yavimaya, have fun digging them out! I do feel like if you're in a 5 colour deck this is a sick card, but it's also not cheap. I've come around to the fact that Propaganda effects can matter but usually don't do as much as you need, a tax of 2 doesn't matter much later game vs Voltron, but War Tax could still make it impossible for that Boros guy to swing even once, IE the actual effect you're looking for from Propaganda in most cases. If you're running all of these effects, and or stuff like Mana Web to make them really suffer.
Bolt Bend is interesting but feels small/clunky. I think if you're on Voltron it's probably a good enough call, but my Boros Voltron uses Meekstone so yeah, this doesn't fit in there? If you're in Red, you should run Pryoblast over Bolt Bend, blowing up someone's Zur for R is really sick value in Red.
Szat's Will is a decent card, but it's nowhere near the removal option that Make an Example is, but it can do other stuff that matters sometimes so they don't compare perfectly.
Overburden is a good card in a deck with Ashaya, I think if you're not using it as a combo piece you're just playing hard stax, this is one of the nastier cards in print so I'd hope not to see folks playing this kind of thing in Casual.
Fade Away is a suspicious card, it's awfully reminiscent of Tabernacle, and yet it's so much worse that it's almost completely terrible. I'm sure it's had it's moments in history, but it's usually a bad card.
I'm with Tomer on bolt bend inclusions. Boros, gruul, rakdos and three color decks also without blue can easily slot redirects in for protection that acts as removal. What are you ever going to use a redirect on? Probably a removal spell aimed at something integral to your plan. Redirects turn that removal into a hard counter for that action AND removal of your choice now on something you find problematic. Non blue decks should use them and use them properly.
Seth is a freakin trooper in pitching those ideas.
Great energy. Always on top of the details as well as the personal benefits of each of the sellers. Just magnificent!
As if there is a reason why i binge watch each and every card review from Seth as well as following him for years. Hats off good Sir!
Alright Seth, you've convinced me to try The Celestus in my Locust God deck
Please do more of these! Such a fun idea.
Crim saying bolt bend is card disadvantage when counter spells are essentially the same.
Def like this series and you guys should do this regularly.
I’m enjoying this format a lot, I hope to see a sequel to it
Such a good idea. Man you need Richard in these though, he can sell me anything.
Bolt Bend is a staple in any deck with a 4+ power commander that cares about keeping its commander in play in any way. It's a 1-mana counterspell except it's better than that because it lets you kill something else on the table instead of your general.
definitely do this annually, it's way more interesting than the conventional "here's our favorite cards this year"
I like this concept!
Fantastic show concept. Highly entertaining and fun. Kudos to whoever came up with this idea. Maybe make this an annual thing?
The treasure dockside creates is all artifacts with mana value 3 or less. Go ahead and try to bank those for next turn.
What a great idea! Love it!
How is a redirect worse than a counter? It does the same thing but you have the added benefit of potentially gaining from it
Because redirects are useless for cards that do not target (case and point: cyclonic rift)
WE NEED THIS AS A SERIES AND RICHARD AS THE GREAT SHARK
Bolt bend is the real deal. It's a 1 red counterspell, and it often is a 2 for 1. Redirect a swords or chaos warp or beast within. You can even redirect Tanya's safekeeping or gaea's gift to protect your own cards
Also a fun way of messing with your opponent's Auras (and equipments, to a lesser degree). I have absolutely won a game by enchanting my commander with an opponent's powerful aura from this 1-mana spell.
Can't wait for the Fade Away commander clash moment.
Great theme! Whoever came up with it should get whatever they want for Christmas
Fun episode! I'd love if you guys did more of this style. I always enjoy your podcasts, but this one was particularly enjoyable. Really great format.
Strip Mine and Akroma's Will "sells" were kind of hilarious IMO. Literally just staples that belong in nearly any deck that can afford them.
...also shocked at the bolt bend hate. Redirects are really strong. Even if you don't use them as a counter spell (you probably will), you can almost always steal something like a sign in blood (or better) to make the 1 mana spell worth your while.
I honestly do love Fade Away, cause it removes interaction, copying it turns it into an actual board wipe, plus a lot of people don't realize it any permanent. I'm with you tomer.
Collective restraint also works really well with yavimaya and urborg because anyone can play that and it'll count towards your land type.
Overburden was a card that actually made me adjust my Yarok landfall deck. A player at my LGS dropped this, and while I had a bunch of enchantment and artifact removal on ETB, because I kept having to remove lands when I cast other ETB creatures to try and dig for it I was stalled out. It was so miserable that I vowed to never get caught out again that way XD
Want to be evil? Play confounding conundrum in Yarok. 2 cards and opposing landfall and land ramp is no more.
After hearing the pitch I am adding Hatred to my Liesa life gain for sure. Lifelink alone makes this worth it. LET THE HATE FLOW THROUGH YOU!!!!
I feel like there was a missed an opportunity to call this the Fish Bowl rather than Shark Tank.
Great episode regardless and I'm looking forward to more!
I like this as a series idea
I would play fadeaway in my Augustin IV variation "on would you pay a one?" which is "pay more or else." same as overburden (and mana web).
OOOhh! I like this format! XD
Tomer, I have friends who read Fade Away and thought it was amazing. However, none of them play it any more. It's really cool but in practice it's got these downsides:
1) Catching all opponents tapped out at a time you want to board wipe is hard.
2) People sacrifice the creatures they don't care about then pay / sacrifice another permanent (even a land / mana rock) to keep the problem ones.
3) The choice is all on the opponent, so you can't force anything to die.
Basically, for 3 mana you clean away the excess creatures on the board but don't actually deal with any problems and it also has the extra condition of people needing to be tapped out. That's absolutely not what you want from a board wipe, it's simply a value card. It also gets problematic if you have stuff you want to save, since then it effectively becomes a normal cost board wipe (without actually getting rid of problems).
Where it's good is decks that rely on very few / no creatures to function and want a cheap way to keep the board small so they don't get run over. The same can be achieved by playing something like propaganda, except that keeps the opponents still damaging each other with their big boards so it's way better.
That all said, I think it's very unique and cool design. When you land it and force people into tough choices it feels great.
Great idea !
Would love to see more episodes of this!
My one complaint: several of these cards are brand new (some less than 6 months old) which is probably the reason they arent showing up in decks, Id say limit it to cards that have been out over a year at least.
Worth noting is that you can still achieve all 5 basic land types even in mono-blue. Urborg, Yavimaya, Thran Portal, Convincing Mirage, and more. Hell, with enough effort The Omenkeel alone can get you there. Collective Restraint isn't cracked by any means but it's definitely a solid card.
Collective Restraint is dope!
BOLT BEND tho!
I feel that Fade Away is being maligned
*justly*
Because it sucks.
~♡
I use it to draw out counterspells and to get people to waste mana
Haven't gotten past y'all debating celestus and I bought 4 already. SOLD!
Bolt bend is incredible, Tomer was right.
I would maybe run Fade away with cards like War's toll or perhaps Citadel of pain to force or incentivize tapping lands
Run fade away with price of glory
"My card is Dockside Extortionist."
*Sits in silence for 1 minute*
"We unanimously agree."
Phil, I run Alela and you sold me on Overburden haha!
Love it 🤣
had never seen collective restraint before, card looks sweet
Hatred !!! Love that card, so good and über cool ;)
A point for ghostly prison cards over wraths: wraths remove pressure from the whole board, meaning the aggro players can't pressure the durdly and combo players. You're unintentionally giving those players a MASSIVE advantage. These cards keep pressure on the board as a whole, which doesn't happen enough in many games.
This shark tank contestant Phil has the advantage of window Jesus. Let go Phil
We figured out a good way to do Day//Night with my playgroup: If people are only playing a few Day/Night cards in their deck, it is their role to figure out what state is it and to prove it if a large amount of time past since the last Day/Night card happened. Otherwise, we only track it all the time if someone is playing a deck that uses the mechanic a lot (like my Tovolar deck)
On the domain prision card, remember Urborg and Yavimaya are a thing.
Keep doing this and do viewer suggestions too (I have some budget cards to pitch that have proven themselves at my lgs vs the mana crypt crowd)
I use Collective Restraint with my mill decks
My man pitching hatred. Love it.
Bolt Bend gets a yes from me. I run mana tithe just for the outside chance it does something for the comedy value. How can I not put in bolt bend for the off chance someone tries to swords my commander and I take theirs out instead?
Overburden’s oracle text says nontoken, so Crim shouldn’t have been phased about taking it out of Alela.
I love Ertai the resurrected
So versatile so good with flicker/slingshot effects
Brotherhood's End + Teferi's Protection, another way to abuse phasing all your stuff out but even earlier.
Fade Away is one of, if not the only, pauper-boardwipe.
Which is why its play-numbers is were its at.
Off-Topic: used to be a 1-of in Top4 Esper Control Pauper-decks, for that exact reason.
What about Swirling Sandstorm?
I love bolt bend in my winota deck. Also I feel like you guys picked a bunch of soft banned win cons. Akroma’s will is the white craterhoof.
Why is Seth so good at pitching these
Entertainment is his chosen career and he's had to pitch Against The Odds and Meme or Dream for years. That said, he slayed it up there on this ep.
Collective restraing works best on 5 color decks that are instant speed reaction to stop combos. Usually these decks would run group hug effects. So for decks that abuse hunted cards, stax, and curse style effects which in term limit board presence, yes.
Tax effects main goal is to make winning the game against them cost to many resources go do quickly. The problem is thats a 4 mana card
Considering the recent reprint what do you guys think about no mercy, and by extension the blue version that bounces permanents that damage you?
I feel Tomer's pain. Bolt Bend is a all star 🥰
I play the Celestus in a controlling Mimeoplasm deck. It is pretty decent to discard your bombs that you want to “reanimate”. I think Day/Night is fine. Pretty much any time in paper it gets removed, we just ignore Day/Night. In the case that someone would play a new Day/Night, you often just refer to the turn that just happened, and if you can’t remember, it’s on the player who played it.
jadzi has got to be the most underrated card in commander just for the back side
Tomer is crazy hahaha, strip mine is the best, you use it has a land until you really need a land removed. A lot of the time I don't use it.
This was so much fun! Do one specifically for unconventional commanders next (*cough*morophon dragons*cough*cough*)
Tomer, bolt bend is the 5th effect you might play after Tibalt's Trickery, Red Elemental Blast, Pyroblast, and Deflecting Swat. If you're doing stack interaction in red, you just have to answer blue, so you need a density of effects to reliably answer blue. Otherwise those slots are better as board interaction like Gorilla shaman, Meltdown, abrade, Brotherhood's end, chaos warp, wild magic surge
Tibalt's Trickery is neat but has potentially huge downside as it can't whiff like Chaos Warp (might still be better than Bend, but debatable), and you're smoking crack if you think Pyroblast/REB are better outside of CEDH. Gorilla Shaman in commander is also awful (maybe good in CEDH? they do run a lot more 0 cmc artifacts), SUUUUUPER expensive artifact removal when we have shit like Vandalblast in the format. Abrade is also pretty mid imo, Lightning Bolt is going to be super inconsistent as a removal spell in your average game of Commander and 2 mana for half a Disenchant is also a terrible rate.
Question doesnt basic land type mean it has to be a basic land? So triomes wouldn’t work? For collective restraint
I was sold on hatred thinking of the mean value when I swing in with my 1/1 man into or something for lethal randomly haha