The prior game, vs the Packers, the announcers said the wrong name for Dan Campbell and Dan Skipper. Lions do not get much respect from the national announcers.
12:25 Maz, that was McNeil who swung around. I'm reminded of the 1996 Wings who lost a number of players during the playoffs, and how much that ground them down. The next season, Joey Kocur missed only one game due to injury in the Anaheim series, and they won the Cup that year.
Doc is right. Back in the day they would wrap it up and say go back out there. I’ve had 2 knee surgeries and I couldn’t move hardly at all. But I had a total knee replacement surgery
I'm torn on the onside. I do think it was a perfect kick. The guy that recovered it was cheat code. If we're not going to get it, I'm glad they got it to the 4th and scored quick. I hated it during the game but I decided it wasn't that big a deal later.
I agree that the first onside kick was OK, but I'd preferred it with the element of surprise, Pat McAfee-style instead of having to declare. I figure I'm in the minority here, but the philosophy of this defense is 'bend but don't break'. Lions defense has been an ELITE run stopping unit since the end of 2022 and particularly thrive on their D-Line getting short area TD stops and forcing FG's when backed into its own red zone. What they suck at is preventing chunk plays in their defensive secondary, particularly between the 20 yd lines. So Aaron Glenn has done the math and ideally wants pocket contain by his D-Line. But if he can't get that, he is willing to settle for a 15 yard DPI flag from Terrion Arnold instead of a larger chunk play that we've seen from the likes of Mike Evans, Justin Jefferson, and Christian Watson this season. Basically, if we can force the opposing offense to dink and dunk their way up the field and into our redzone, the we think we can stuff them for just a FG instead of allowing a longer 30-40 yd TD. Why am I saying all of this? Because I think Dan Campbell's thought process that was we have the following options: -- Full kickoff: Jake Bates sends a full kickoff out of the end zone and the Bills start at their own 30 yd line -- Onside kickoff worst case scenario: Mack Hollins tips the onside kick to himself and breaks free to our 3 yd line -- Onside kickoff unideal (but not worst case) scenario: The Bills successfully recover the onside kick and down it around their own 45-50 yard line. -- Onside kickoff best case scenario: Lions recover, get a short field, and give their defense a couple extra minutes of much needed rest Barring the worst case scenario, if the Lions fail to recover the onside kick, it's only a difference of 15-20 yards in starting position that Josh Allen was going to achieve anyways. It's like playing the FT game in crunch time of a basketball game. Teams might make the free throws, but the name of the game is getting the ball back into the hands of our offense with more time to spare.
To be fair if I had to choose one starting skill position player to lose it would have probably been DMO (of the starters/impact guys). I think Gibbs is going to completely take over and he is young enough to take a big load I’m sort of excited to see if he can become a bijan type guy. I held my breath a little bit when Amon ra got crushed coming across the middle thankfully he seems to be fine. And Hopefully Mosley can step up for Davis after rostering and paying him for 2 years and only seen him in the rehab room
I said it before, the reasons why we are getting all these ligament injuries are: 1) artificial turf increases injuries by 20%. We NEED to get natural turf somehow. I know we have a dome, but we gotta figure out something. 2) the high intensity that Dan Cambell has got these players used to. More than your average team, by a lot I think. So one day after the other, just a matter of time you'll get injured. But in my opinion the artificial turf is the main reason.
Video needs to be sent to League office on Davis's injury. Ridiculous! Same with punching guys on the forearm after whistle blown like the one play on either LaPorta or Gibbs after a catch or run and Patrick came to defense after player was punching on his forearm trying to dislodge the ball. That could cause injury. A punch at the body and not the ball is different from wrapping up and tackling.
Now these referees are Jack a**** They sit there and let the play Go on forever. Blow the whistles a little Quicker, Mo, they let him go. Tell someone gets hurt and the touch Porsche. What do you call? That's what that's just ask for someone to get hurt bad enough of it. There should be having players push one another. It's a joke that only goes for the teams that they want to win.
The silver lining about this season is that we are going to be so much stronger next season. We will have a ton of guys with game experience and starter experience who may have not gotten like this on a Super Bowl caliber team.
There is No reason the loss of Montgomery should mean the Lions couldn't use their game plan. I'm sure they were wrong not to run the ball but 15 times the whole game! Gibbs is the superior back and even with Montgomery healthy, the Lions would likely be better if Gibbs took 75% of the load.
Don't forget, he's a Dr. Proper doctors are EXTREMELY conservative (unfortunately, they don't base in on special scenarios but rather on EVERYONE's OVERALL scenarios).
Hard to listen to you guys , you all were calling Vikings gm an idiot before the season even started , now he’s made you guys not look so smart tbh. & I’m a lions fan
Lions are gonna be better now. They should be passing the ball all the time. The reason the lions lost to the bills is because they tried over and over to run Montgomery up the gut. They will throw the ball alot more now and that's what teams do that win superbowls
Maz, the only smart one about the on side kick. U got a super smart doc. That thinks it wasn't the right call. Think mcfly, think!! Here is a fact - you will be down 17 with 12 min. To go or down 17 with 7 min. To go and u have a slim shot to maybe get the ball back. 🤔, let me think for 2 seconds.
Let me spell it out for you then. Lions were down 2 possessions. Neither defense could stop a nosebleed at that point. The Lions needed to steal a possession and limit the Bills to a FG on a possession in order to have a shot. The most likely outcome of an onside is the receiving team gets the ball at the 50. If you get your stop there, you get your field goal and a chance to make it a 1 possession game. If you get your steal, then you can make it a one possession game. The Bills were very likely to get at least a FG from no matter where they started the drive based on the way the defense was playing. You might as well risk the shorter field so they take less time to do so. It's pretty unlikely that a guy returns an onside for big yardage or a TD because teams usually fall on the ball. It's just unfortunate that the Bills managed to do that on the onside, and that's why it didn't work out. People focus too much on the TD, but the likely outcome was they were playing for a field goal. In other words, you don't focus on the just the small percentage to steal the possession. You have to factor in you are probably just trying to limit to a field goal anyway. Now that becomes the most likely outcome from the play when you add them together. It was the right decision.
@@heavyriff7637 oh I misunderstood what you were saying. I'm so used to seeing people complain about the onside kick like it devastated their chances of winning.
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1) the onside kick rule is bullshit. having to announce onside kicks makes the success rate near 0%. That decision to go for it with 12 mins left would've been so much better if the lions had the element of surprise 2) this is why Dan Campbell (very honestly) said after last year's Niners loss that they might've blown their only/best shot at a super bowl. You don't plan on injuries, yet the 2022 Niners can attest to how the wrong injury(s) at the wrong time can sink a season, let alone the WAVES of injuries the lions have endured this season 3) Dan Campbell is a stud. He's a players' coach. He's a culture setter. He's a leader of men. He's authentic. But that's 2 consecutive reckless decisions to go for it in consecutive weeks IMO: went for it on 4th down from their own 30 yd line vs the packers last week, and then the onside attempt with 12 minutes left vs the Bills. I wouldn't hate the onside kick if they didn't have to announce it and it was a surprise attempt, but even the most generous analytics say don't go for it in that spot especially since you have to declare the intention to the other team
Your right about romo frothing at the mouth over Josh Allen for three hours. It was annoying.
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed and was annoyed about it
So disgusting…..
He couldn't wait to get in the locker room to blow him
He is the absolute worst. Probably gave misinformation 10 different times and his analysis sucks.
The prior game, vs the Packers, the announcers said the wrong name for Dan Campbell and Dan Skipper. Lions do not get much respect from the national announcers.
Welcome back to the starting lineup Craig Reynolds.
Your moment has arrived.
He’s gonna have D-Mo in his ear on the sideline all game too. Time to earn yourself an extension, Craig.
It is his time to shine
12:25 Maz, that was McNeil who swung around.
I'm reminded of the 1996 Wings who lost a number of players during the playoffs, and how much that ground them down. The next season, Joey Kocur missed only one game due to injury in the Anaheim series, and they won the Cup that year.
Foaming at the mouth 😂so true.
We will be fine next man up right all season long
Just listening to people talk about knee injuries makes my knee hurt.
Doc is right. Back in the day they would wrap it up and say go back out there. I’ve had 2 knee surgeries and I couldn’t move hardly at all. But I had a total knee replacement surgery
Hines Ward played his entire football life without a left ACL. Didn’t even realize it until the draft physicals.
I'm torn on the onside. I do think it was a perfect kick. The guy that recovered it was cheat code. If we're not going to get it, I'm glad they got it to the 4th and scored quick. I hated it during the game but I decided it wasn't that big a deal later.
All these injuries are not a coincidence. There's more to it. Rest up and get as many back and ready for the playoffs
I liked the 1st onside kick. Though I think we should onside next kickoff too.
Hopefully they change the kickoff rules back to normal, and allow surprise onside kicks. The whole new kicking ordeal is stupid
I agree that the first onside kick was OK, but I'd preferred it with the element of surprise, Pat McAfee-style instead of having to declare. I figure I'm in the minority here, but the philosophy of this defense is 'bend but don't break'. Lions defense has been an ELITE run stopping unit since the end of 2022 and particularly thrive on their D-Line getting short area TD stops and forcing FG's when backed into its own red zone. What they suck at is preventing chunk plays in their defensive secondary, particularly between the 20 yd lines. So Aaron Glenn has done the math and ideally wants pocket contain by his D-Line. But if he can't get that, he is willing to settle for a 15 yard DPI flag from Terrion Arnold instead of a larger chunk play that we've seen from the likes of Mike Evans, Justin Jefferson, and Christian Watson this season. Basically, if we can force the opposing offense to dink and dunk their way up the field and into our redzone, the we think we can stuff them for just a FG instead of allowing a longer 30-40 yd TD. Why am I saying all of this? Because I think Dan Campbell's thought process that was we have the following options:
-- Full kickoff: Jake Bates sends a full kickoff out of the end zone and the Bills start at their own 30 yd line
-- Onside kickoff worst case scenario: Mack Hollins tips the onside kick to himself and breaks free to our 3 yd line
-- Onside kickoff unideal (but not worst case) scenario: The Bills successfully recover the onside kick and down it around their own 45-50 yard line.
-- Onside kickoff best case scenario: Lions recover, get a short field, and give their defense a couple extra minutes of much needed rest
Barring the worst case scenario, if the Lions fail to recover the onside kick, it's only a difference of 15-20 yards in starting position that Josh Allen was going to achieve anyways. It's like playing the FT game in crunch time of a basketball game. Teams might make the free throws, but the name of the game is getting the ball back into the hands of our offense with more time to spare.
To be fair if I had to choose one starting skill position player to lose it would have probably been DMO (of the starters/impact guys). I think Gibbs is going to completely take over and he is young enough to take a big load I’m sort of excited to see if he can become a bijan type guy. I held my breath a little bit when Amon ra got crushed coming across the middle thankfully he seems to be fine. And Hopefully Mosley can step up for Davis after rostering and paying him for 2 years and only seen him in the rehab room
You know cause you feel it and hear it pop. I know I did.
This notifying the onside kick is dumb. Can someone explain why they have this rule?
So Kansas City can always know what's next so they can win. I'd be willing to bet that after KC gets their three-peat, they'll retract the rule.
So in the case of a team successfully recovering an onside kick, the refs can pull the whole “they didn’t tell us in advance” and reverse the play.
I said it before, the reasons why we are getting all these ligament injuries are:
1) artificial turf increases injuries by 20%. We NEED to get natural turf somehow. I know we have a dome, but we gotta figure out something.
2) the high intensity that Dan Cambell has got these players used to. More than your average team, by a lot I think.
So one day after the other, just a matter of time you'll get injured. But in my opinion the artificial turf is the main reason.
Played rugby with a torn mcl 2 weeks after tearing it... never got it fixed. I was fine. Just feels a little loose
Video needs to be sent to League office on Davis's injury. Ridiculous! Same with punching guys on the forearm after whistle blown like the one play on either LaPorta or Gibbs after a catch or run and Patrick came to defense after player was punching on his forearm trying to dislodge the ball. That could cause injury. A punch at the body and not the ball is different from wrapping up and tackling.
Stop crying your team is dirty now Karma dey find you
Now these referees are Jack a**** They sit there and let the play Go on forever. Blow the whistles a little Quicker, Mo, they let him go. Tell someone gets hurt and the touch Porsche. What do you call? That's what that's just ask for someone to get hurt bad enough of it. There should be having players push one another. It's a joke that only goes for the teams that they want to win.
Don’t rush nobody let’s do what we can do with what we have and be ready next year fully healthy
And get all injured again??? Wtf bruh
8:09 ravens in 2021 was comprable. they lost all their runningbacks, starting corner, lamar, and had like 35 guys on IR by week 10
The silver lining about this season is that we are going to be so much stronger next season. We will have a ton of guys with game experience and starter experience who may have not gotten like this on a Super Bowl caliber team.
You mean not gotten like this on another Superbowl team? Detroit is a Superbowl caliber team.
Yeah and both our coordinators were supposed to have been gone last year I think they're definitley gone next year. That matters.
@@evans4575They'll be here next year. Sheila will make certain. I believe they want to stay here
Suit up Barry !!
Haha I said the same thing
There is No reason the loss of Montgomery should mean the Lions couldn't use their game plan. I'm sure they were wrong not to run the ball but 15 times the whole game! Gibbs is the superior back and even with Montgomery healthy, the Lions would likely be better if Gibbs took 75% of the load.
Don't forget, he's a Dr.
Proper doctors are EXTREMELY conservative (unfortunately, they don't base in on special scenarios but rather on EVERYONE's OVERALL scenarios).
Clyde Edwards. Get him right meow
Dude looks like the Penquin
Romo needs to lower his chair whenever Allen is on the field
We're cooked
You can tell your ACL is snapped because of the feeling of instability when standing still
Yep. Good season. Next year is our year
The NFL has no respect for their players. We should be playing on Natural grass only. Nowadays with innovations in LED lights there is no excuse
he's had nothing but knee injuries his whole career. probably will start declining here in a year or 2
SUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Hard to listen to you guys , you all were calling Vikings gm an idiot before the season even started , now he’s made you guys not look so smart tbh. & I’m a lions fan
Lions are gonna be better now. They should be passing the ball all the time. The reason the lions lost to the bills is because they tried over and over to run Montgomery up the gut. They will throw the ball alot more now and that's what teams do that win superbowls
Romo is trash.
Maz, the only smart one about the on side kick. U got a super smart doc. That thinks it wasn't the right call. Think mcfly, think!! Here is a fact - you will be down 17 with 12 min. To go or down 17 with 7 min. To go and u have a slim shot to maybe get the ball back. 🤔, let me think for 2 seconds.
Let me spell it out for you then. Lions were down 2 possessions. Neither defense could stop a nosebleed at that point. The Lions needed to steal a possession and limit the Bills to a FG on a possession in order to have a shot. The most likely outcome of an onside is the receiving team gets the ball at the 50. If you get your stop there, you get your field goal and a chance to make it a 1 possession game. If you get your steal, then you can make it a one possession game.
The Bills were very likely to get at least a FG from no matter where they started the drive based on the way the defense was playing. You might as well risk the shorter field so they take less time to do so. It's pretty unlikely that a guy returns an onside for big yardage or a TD because teams usually fall on the ball. It's just unfortunate that the Bills managed to do that on the onside, and that's why it didn't work out. People focus too much on the TD, but the likely outcome was they were playing for a field goal. In other words, you don't focus on the just the small percentage to steal the possession. You have to factor in you are probably just trying to limit to a field goal anyway. Now that becomes the most likely outcome from the play when you add them together. It was the right decision.
@runemonkey58 spell what out? It was the right call, I just said that.
@@heavyriff7637 oh I misunderstood what you were saying. I'm so used to seeing people complain about the onside kick like it devastated their chances of winning.
@runemonkey58 For sure, I'm tired of it as well. Campbell is aggressive but it's calculated aggression 95% of the time. No worries, have a great day.
Josh Allen is Awesome! Refs most certainly weren’t going to allow the cheap shots the loins got away with playing Packers. Loins peaked to early
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1) the onside kick rule is bullshit. having to announce onside kicks makes the success rate near 0%. That decision to go for it with 12 mins left would've been so much better if the lions had the element of surprise
2) this is why Dan Campbell (very honestly) said after last year's Niners loss that they might've blown their only/best shot at a super bowl. You don't plan on injuries, yet the 2022 Niners can attest to how the wrong injury(s) at the wrong time can sink a season, let alone the WAVES of injuries the lions have endured this season
3) Dan Campbell is a stud. He's a players' coach. He's a culture setter. He's a leader of men. He's authentic. But that's 2 consecutive reckless decisions to go for it in consecutive weeks IMO: went for it on 4th down from their own 30 yd line vs the packers last week, and then the onside attempt with 12 minutes left vs the Bills. I wouldn't hate the onside kick if they didn't have to announce it and it was a surprise attempt, but even the most generous analytics say don't go for it in that spot especially since you have to declare the intention to the other team
Get a new doc, this guy's full of himself.