Have you guys ever experienced this!? Let us know in the comments your experiences!! Wanting to improve ride quality? Check out everything from Kryptonite: bit.ly/2XzWy0E
I had someone tighten up one side of my torsion bar, all the way, to try to adjust perceived sag on my S10. It developed a bad knock on that side. I could feel it in the floor board. The suspension was not even working. It was solid. Ended up damaging the ball joints. I backed it off, problem solved.
Father in law has a 2013 2500 HD reg cab long bed 4x4 6.0 gasser. He bought new keys and it is the absolute worst ride I've ever been in. Constantly spilling my pop down the front of me, and with a ton of wood pellets in the bed and 2 more tons on a car hauler this thing actually did 3 wheel motion up my driveway. The front driver's tire was 10-12" in the air because of the bump stops limiting the downward movement. Funny thing though, it rides like a Cadillac in the winter time with about 1,000# in the bed and his 8 foot plow on the front. Truck looks great but he couldn't give me that lumber wagon!!!
i went with the zone adventure setup with bilstein shocks while i was driving back and forth to colorado and the difference when you install proper upper control arms to deal with the angle is unreal. the ride quality isn’t quite stock, but it’s much better than stock upper control arms. now i have a 7-9 FTS lift coming that i’m out of school.
Kryptonite and Cognito are great ! I have a 2014 sierra 1500 with the Cognito upper control arms and ball joints on a 2.5 level with 33s 12.5 rides great!
Love these types of videos! Keep em coming! Would y'all do a video going over the pros/cons of torsion bars vs other types of suspension. Possibly go over coil over conversion kits and even compare to solid front axle vehicles like Jeeps?
@@bgd73 What do you mean by freighted? I'm about to crank my Ranger about 1.5", but with longer travel Pro-Comp ES9000's and a forged key to accommodate the higher stress load. CV angles will only change a bit, but I am trying to learn everything about this to make sure it's proper, safe and note real prone to wear.
@@lopezam07 Upper control arm bash was the thing I was most worried about, at 1.5" I don't think it will be an issue. I wonder about ball joints now though, I suspect they may wear quicker. I haven't done the math on the CV axle angle change yet (Some basic trig) but I'll let you know when I do. It's lifted and done.
I have this set up on my 99 Silverado rides well I removed the shock extension,and bought skyjacker shocks 2-4 inches which they have more travel for impacts .
The droop stops aren't for the shocks they are to protect the c joints from extreme angles. Cut them off and lift the truck at your own risk. You need to drop the differential. 10s of millions of dollars went into the engineering for ifs gm truck suspensions these small companies modifying things mean well but they don't have the training to understand the complexity of what's going on. I was a gm tech for years and took several classes about modifying stock vehicles and the consequences of doing so. That being said, I still modify my stuff I just know that I am causing damage. Cost of playing the game.
i have a 03 silverado 1500 and i think my keys are maxed out not to sure as i bought the truck as is but my upper arms are resting on the bump stop. What can i do to fix that? and is cutting the bump stop bad?
Is there any place you can think of that may have aftermarket control arms for a 95 Dodge Dakota 4x4 I can't seem to find any and I just want to lift it like three inches or 3 in body lift I believe is too much as well without extending everything
I have a 1998 Tahoe with a plow, I want to swap out the 1/2 ton to 3/4 ton torsion bars to take away the front squat, do you know if they are interchangeable, i do have the screws all the in on my keys now, it's a 100% plow truck
These things snap off all the time. Total pain in the you know what. What I do is use the torsion bar tool to take the pressure off the bolt then cut the top of the bolt off with a sawzall and pull the nut out. Replace the bolt and nut and make sure to put never seize on the bolt. Nuts and bolts are actually cheaper from the GM dealer than at auto parts stores, at least in So FL.
My guy this is exactly what I needed to see. just bought one used. and thinking about rebuilding the front end cause it feels like shit. not sure what previous owner has done to it
I got an 88 k1500 and I put proryde keys on it. I just put rancho shocks(don't know if they are good or not) and I also put new upper arms but I feel the gap is small.. any idea on what I can do? I don't want to lift it though, just level
I have over 50,000 miles on m 16' 2500HD Duramax since cranking the stock keys from 1.20" to .430"(distance from top of bolt to torsion bar) and have not had a issue. If you take it to a good alignment shop after doing so. 166,000 miles on stock ball joints/tie rods etc. Truck rides exactly like it did stock. Yeah, you beat the shit out of your $65,000.00 truck its going to break or bust shit even with big $$$$ kits.
I looked around and couldn’t find the control arms for my 2005 ram 1500. My truck rides like crap because I leveled it with keys. I just want control arms to fix the angles. Please help!!
Man I cranked the bars on a 02 and 05. Did not use aftermarket keys. I added 2500 HD front shocks for ride quality amd it drove better. Stock shocks are 11" compressed 15" extended. So cranking 2" put them basically maxed out 2500hd shocks are 13" compressed 22" extended o ya longer end link bolts and the thing rode like a Cadillac
Yeah we’ve fucked up a Colorado or two, ball joints, arms, most of the front end underneath...you’re right but also make sure to check for other wear and tear
The leveled life is a hard life lmao, my truck has Kryptonite UCA's along with Bilstein 5100's all around, still rubbing with 33s on a 20x12 -44 at 80% crank WITH a norcal mod and it still rides like crap.
I have lift keys on my 2002 Chevrolet Silverado 2500hd 4x4. I don't use my truck off-road at all. Could I just turn my lift keys down to restore factory ride or do I need stock keys to do that?
@@CustomOffsetsTV I met em in the middle. Since I don't have the stock keys I dropped it 1.5 inches which is still an inch above factory. It loosened everything enough to restore ride quality.
This is interesting. I did the keys only on my 2017 2500HD. So was the bump stop cut off? I hate the clanking. I guess I need the upper arms and new shocks.
Does buying a key lift help prevent your control arms resting on the stop? For example. My truck: 04 cateye 2500 hd and I have a wulf suspension torsion key leveling kit with shock extenders. Will having proper keys prevent me from having future problems I might face if I just cranked the stock keys up?
Correct, we recommend having the proper keys to adjust with your suspension setup. You can send an email to info@customoffsets.com if you have any questions or concerns about your setup aswell!
So um I see that uca helps the shocks and ball joints. What about all of the steering angles ( pitman idler tie rod angles?) and axles? are those angles still royally fucked with your stage three leveling kit? Serious question. I have a 2000 gmc 2500 and know just cranking torsion bars is a bad idea. This all really sucks because we are not even talking about lift kits, just bringing the front end up like when it was new. Ugh
@@danieleusebio7384 hi I never contacted them. I did however crank up my stock torsion bars with the stock adjusters. There is tons of inches to be had there. I just brought it up to level, and put on new shocks. What I learned is that when you look at things with the front end jacked up the angles look really bad. You must adjust both sides equal put truck back down, check it, then back and forth to get it just right height. When it’s level and put back on the ground the angles are just fine. Really nice angles. Now I’m talking about just leveling, not lifting. If you keep turning the stock adjusters ohhhh it will go up but then your front suspension is hard as a rock. So what I learned is just adjust the stock system, replace shocks, check pitman arm, check idler arm, check tie rods, check ball joints, checksway bar and bushings, replace any of these as necessary. Final step for me was an alignment. Now truck rides well and is tight. It’s to bad my bed is completely rusting away now. ugh
Good vid! Do you guys do a lot of leveling kits on the newer 2500's? Would like to see video on the higher end cognito and kryptonite kits, ride quality and angles depending on how much you crank the keys up. I have a 17' 2500 and was wanting to only go up maybe 2 inches in the front but want best ride I can get and not kill everything. Originally wanted like a 4 inch lift but truck wont fit in garage and think its tall enough already
Thanks for the love! You can always send an email to info@customoffsets.com and they should be able to help you figure out what kit would be best for you!
My English is weak, but I will try to help you. I own 2500 15, and I got a very great performance with this equipment. First uca camburg , second any 2.5 shocks same king fox or icon , third and most important point, do not exceed 1 inch or 1.5 lift , Absolutely if you want the best street ride and off-road performance in particular, this will be amazing
I just purchased sway-away heavy duty torsion bars for my 2008 2500HD and they are supposed to be 25% more increase in load. They are splined for infinite adjustment and having a Ranchhand front bumper, I blew out my cv's. I lifted my truck this same way as here in this video and the ride was much better,,, but the bump stops are still resting on top of upper control arm and there is not enough travel. Even if I lifted the truck and dropped the differential, it will help, but will not compensate for the heavy bumper, so the spring rate needs to be addressed. I will see how the truck rides with new T-bars and then, I will add a 4 in lift by Tough Country if there is still bump stop angle issues.... Man, why couldn't GM put coil overs on their HD's?? YES, I know, T-bars keeps the front end down when hauling heavy loads.... but, still.....
@@carlosguzman-jj7mo not sure how it is adjusted on an 07. I think on gm's sometimes you need to buy the parts that adjust the alignment if they are rusty. I would talk to a shop that does a lot of suspension work and see what they say.
Does anyone in Wisconsin believe in undercoating a vehicle? You won’t have UCA, ball joints or CV Axles to worry about once they disintegrate because of rust.
Have you guys ever experienced this!? Let us know in the comments your experiences!!
Wanting to improve ride quality? Check out everything from Kryptonite:
bit.ly/2XzWy0E
Ok, just wasn't sure if I had to replace the torsion bar as a whole piece, Thanks for the help
I had someone tighten up one side of my torsion bar, all the way, to try to adjust perceived sag on my S10.
It developed a bad knock on that side. I could feel it in the floor board. The suspension was not even working. It was solid. Ended up damaging the ball joints.
I backed it off, problem solved.
i know Im pretty randomly asking but do anyone know a good site to watch new movies online?
@Alonzo Jonathan Lately I have been using Flixzone. You can find it on google :)
@Billy Dominic yea, I have been using Flixzone for months myself =)
Father in law has a 2013 2500 HD reg cab long bed 4x4 6.0 gasser. He bought new keys and it is the absolute worst ride I've ever been in. Constantly spilling my pop down the front of me, and with a ton of wood pellets in the bed and 2 more tons on a car hauler this thing actually did 3 wheel motion up my driveway. The front driver's tire was 10-12" in the air because of the bump stops limiting the downward movement. Funny thing though, it rides like a Cadillac in the winter time with about 1,000# in the bed and his 8 foot plow on the front. Truck looks great but he couldn't give me that lumber wagon!!!
Banker reminds me of the truckneck version of G Eazy
😂
I was going to say redneck Ryan Gosling.
i went with the zone adventure setup with bilstein shocks while i was driving back and forth to colorado and the difference when you install proper upper control arms to deal with the angle is unreal. the ride quality isn’t quite stock, but it’s much better than stock upper control arms. now i have a 7-9 FTS lift coming that i’m out of school.
Please respond!! Did you or are you changing the A arms when you put the 7-9 inch lift? I’m trying to find answers on what I should do for my truck.
Kryptonite and Cognito are great ! I have a 2014 sierra 1500 with the Cognito upper control arms and ball joints on a 2.5 level with 33s 12.5 rides great!
Love these types of videos! Keep em coming!
Would y'all do a video going over the pros/cons of torsion bars vs other types of suspension. Possibly go over coil over conversion kits and even compare to solid front axle vehicles like Jeeps?
Thanks for the love! And well see what we can do!
Y'all never talked about the CV angles
and the facts of porpoising.. the single cabs always will... until back end is freighted.
@@bgd73 What do you mean by freighted? I'm about to crank my Ranger about 1.5", but with longer travel Pro-Comp ES9000's and a forged key to accommodate the higher stress load. CV angles will only change a bit, but I am trying to learn everything about this to make sure it's proper, safe and note real prone to wear.
@@JacopoSkydweller I'm trying to learn too
@@lopezam07 Upper control arm bash was the thing I was most worried about, at 1.5" I don't think it will be an issue. I wonder about ball joints now though, I suspect they may wear quicker.
I haven't done the math on the CV axle angle change yet (Some basic trig) but I'll let you know when I do. It's lifted and done.
I have this set up on my 99 Silverado rides well I removed the shock extension,and bought skyjacker shocks 2-4 inches which they have more travel for impacts .
I have a 99 gmc sierra z71, is it worth getting some Rancho, blistein, or skyjacker shocks? Or should I undo it and get a leveling kit
The droop stops aren't for the shocks they are to protect the c joints from extreme angles. Cut them off and lift the truck at your own risk. You need to drop the differential. 10s of millions of dollars went into the engineering for ifs gm truck suspensions these small companies modifying things mean well but they don't have the training to understand the complexity of what's going on. I was a gm tech for years and took several classes about modifying stock vehicles and the consequences of doing so. That being said, I still modify my stuff I just know that I am causing damage. Cost of playing the game.
i have a 03 silverado 1500 and i think my keys are maxed out not to sure as i bought the truck as is but my upper arms are resting on the bump stop. What can i do to fix that? and is cutting the bump stop bad?
what about pitman arm and tie rod angles will they be fine with the leveling keys ?
Is there any place you can think of that may have aftermarket control arms for a 95 Dodge Dakota 4x4 I can't seem to find any and I just want to lift it like three inches or 3 in body lift I believe is too much as well without extending everything
What was that PVC concoction in the center of that truck
Looks like my diy wide mount cup holder. Put my knock off yeti 40oz tea jug
I have a 1998 Tahoe with a plow, I want to swap out the 1/2 ton to 3/4 ton torsion bars to take away the front squat, do you know if they are interchangeable, i do have the screws all the in on my keys now, it's a 100% plow truck
Cut the patch man
Would a steering stabilizer help with a leveled lift on an 05' silverado 4wd?
Yes it would!
Why’d they add torsion bars anyway?
Do u need lower control arms aswell?
On the 97-03 F-150 you can crank up the front with no problems with the bump stops.
the problem is that it would still be a ford
On my truck I looked at the torsion bar, but one of the bolts is bent, probably by the previous owner, how could I fix that
I would put a new bolt in it!
These things snap off all the time. Total pain in the you know what. What I do is use the torsion bar tool to take the pressure off the bolt then cut the top of the bolt off with a sawzall and pull the nut out. Replace the bolt and nut and make sure to put never seize on the bolt. Nuts and bolts are actually cheaper from the GM dealer than at auto parts stores, at least in So FL.
Any idea for an 03 Dakota. I've been looking for an control arm for a better angle but haven't been able to fine any.
Unfortunately we dont offer anything for the Dodge Dakotas as far as suspension goes.
Put in a good word to the big names for us Dakota owners.🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
My guy this is exactly what I needed to see. just bought one used. and thinking about rebuilding the front end cause it feels like shit. not sure what previous owner has done to it
what if it rides better after you crank it up?
I got an 88 k1500 and I put proryde keys on it. I just put rancho shocks(don't know if they are good or not) and I also put new upper arms but I feel the gap is small.. any idea on what I can do? I don't want to lift it though, just level
I have over 50,000 miles on m 16' 2500HD Duramax since cranking the stock keys from 1.20" to .430"(distance from top of bolt to torsion bar) and have not had a issue. If you take it to a good alignment shop after doing so. 166,000 miles on stock ball joints/tie rods etc. Truck rides exactly like it did stock. Yeah, you beat the shit out of your $65,000.00 truck its going to break or bust shit even with big $$$$ kits.
I looked around and couldn’t find the control arms for my 2005 ram 1500. My truck rides like crap because I leveled it with keys. I just want control arms to fix the angles. Please help!!
See if there’s a metal bumpstop under your upper control arms. If there is cut it off, it’ll ride a lot better
Man I cranked the bars on a 02 and 05. Did not use aftermarket keys. I added 2500 HD front shocks for ride quality amd it drove better. Stock shocks are 11" compressed 15" extended. So cranking 2" put them basically maxed out 2500hd shocks are 13" compressed 22" extended o ya longer end link bolts and the thing rode like a Cadillac
What if u tow a trailer, how will the leveling kit effect that?.
Your front will ride higher..
I installed a lift level, then put air bags in to keep it level while towing
It might make it squat a good amount!
Yeah we’ve fucked up a Colorado or two, ball joints, arms, most of the front end underneath...you’re right but also make sure to check for other wear and tear
Tare
Y’all got anything for a 96 K1500
Heres what we have available for your K1500 on our website!
bit.ly/2XRVIAD
It would help if the truck had seats and a steering wheel...
Stop. No camo jokes. Besides where did the bottom of the truck go.
Id be more worried about flying through the windshield from a wrong way texting driver than a bumpy ride.
The leveled life is a hard life lmao, my truck has Kryptonite UCA's along with Bilstein 5100's all around, still rubbing with 33s on a 20x12 -44 at 80% crank WITH a norcal mod and it still rides like crap.
Sounds like a good setup! Make sure you add it to our gallery it you havent already!
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More likely than not the problem is your rims drop to 16 or 17 in and go a little bit thinner your ride will be so much better you won't believe it
Will kryptonitws work with a zone 4.5” kit on 2014 silverado 1500
Xtermin8r187 B yes
Kryptonite doesnt make UCA's for the 14' 1500 model
Custom Offsets
Ok damn what UCAs would you reccomend with this kit then?
Send an email to info@customoffsets.com and they should be able to help pick you out some they thing would work best!
I had them cranked up, after two weeks I lowered it back down just enough to clear the wheels, because the ride was terrible.
Why does banker look like a punk rocker all of a sudden. It's so weird seeing him without the basecap and shaved haha. But I like these videos
Awesome video guys. I need those arms for my leveled regular cab.
Yes you do!
I have lift keys on my 2002 Chevrolet Silverado 2500hd 4x4. I don't use my truck off-road at all. Could I just turn my lift keys down to restore factory ride or do I need stock keys to do that?
Ideally you'd use stock keys for that
@@CustomOffsetsTV I met em in the middle. Since I don't have the stock keys I dropped it 1.5 inches which is still an inch above factory. It loosened everything enough to restore ride quality.
I have this problem. Trimming bump stops. Is that bad lol. I need to do mine. I thought the kryptonite uca would have fixed it
Depending on the kit bump stops get trimmed and replaced with a shorter option
@@CustomOffsetsTV so I can cut my bump stop and be good
Can't you just adjust the upper control arm cam bolts as you bring the keys up?
This is interesting. I did the keys only on my 2017 2500HD. So was the bump stop cut off? I hate the clanking. I guess I need the upper arms and new shocks.
That would probably help quite a bit! Check them out here!
bit.ly/2XzWy0E
Does buying a key lift help prevent your control arms resting on the stop? For example. My truck: 04 cateye 2500 hd and I have a wulf suspension torsion key leveling kit with shock extenders. Will having proper keys prevent me from having future problems I might face if I just cranked the stock keys up?
Correct, we recommend having the proper keys to adjust with your suspension setup. You can send an email to info@customoffsets.com if you have any questions or concerns about your setup aswell!
So um I see that uca helps the shocks and ball joints. What about all of the steering angles ( pitman idler tie rod angles?) and axles? are those angles still royally fucked with your stage three leveling kit? Serious question. I have a 2000 gmc 2500 and know just cranking torsion bars is a bad idea. This all really sucks because we are not even talking about lift kits, just bringing the front end up like when it was new. Ugh
Shoot us an email to info@customoffsets.com so our experts can help 🤘🏼
did you get a reply from them ?
@@danieleusebio7384 hi I never contacted them. I did however crank up my stock torsion bars with the stock adjusters. There is tons of inches to be had there. I just brought it up to level, and put on new shocks. What I learned is that when you look at things with the front end jacked up the angles look really bad. You must adjust both sides equal put truck back down, check it, then back and forth to get it just right height. When it’s level and put back on the ground the angles are just fine. Really nice angles. Now I’m talking about just leveling, not lifting. If you keep turning the stock adjusters ohhhh it will go up but then your front suspension is hard as a rock. So what I learned is just adjust the stock system, replace shocks, check pitman arm, check idler arm, check tie rods, check ball joints, checksway bar and bushings, replace any of these as necessary. Final step for me was an alignment. Now truck rides well and is tight. It’s to bad my bed is completely rusting away now. ugh
Can you guys do a review on spindle lifts vs torsion keys lifts?
Good vid! Do you guys do a lot of leveling kits on the newer 2500's? Would like to see video on the higher end cognito and kryptonite kits, ride quality and angles depending on how much you crank the keys up. I have a 17' 2500 and was wanting to only go up maybe 2 inches in the front but want best ride I can get and not kill everything. Originally wanted like a 4 inch lift but truck wont fit in garage and think its tall enough already
Thanks for the love! You can always send an email to info@customoffsets.com and they should be able to help you figure out what kit would be best for you!
My English is weak, but I will try to help you. I own 2500 15, and I got a very great performance with this equipment. First uca camburg , second any 2.5 shocks same king fox or icon , third and most important point, do not exceed 1 inch or 1.5 lift , Absolutely if you want the best street ride and off-road performance in particular, this will be amazing
What about on a 7 inch lift 🤔
Did you cut the droop stops off of the frame?
Yes we did!
Couldn't you have used the Rough Country forged upper control arms and Bilstein 5100s on the tallest setting too?
Jerome Burrasca not on that truck
@@joelchaffin2233 1500 front strut trucks only?
The RC upper control arms only fit trucks with 2.5- 3.5" and 7" of suspension lift.
@@CustomOffsetsTV So ride height adjustable Bilstein 5100's would work on certain applications with the RC forged upper control arms. ;)
I just purchased sway-away heavy duty torsion bars for my 2008 2500HD and they are supposed to be 25% more increase in load. They are splined for infinite adjustment and having a Ranchhand front bumper, I blew out my cv's. I lifted my truck this same way as here in this video and the ride was much better,,, but the bump stops are still resting on top of upper control arm and there is not enough travel. Even if I lifted the truck and dropped the differential, it will help, but will not compensate for the heavy bumper, so the spring rate needs to be addressed. I will see how the truck rides with new T-bars and then, I will add a 4 in lift by Tough Country if there is still bump stop angle issues.... Man, why couldn't GM put coil overs on their HD's?? YES, I know, T-bars keeps the front end down when hauling heavy loads.... but, still.....
Man if coil over conversion wasn’t 5 grand I’d so do it
Can I get an update on how those new T bars worked out with the weight of the Ranch Hand?
What size lift?
Is that the intake in the cab?
3:11 looks like someone got stuck lol
I raised torsion bars and got a leveling kit and my front tires went bald on my 07 dodge Durango any help 💀🤔
You need to get an alignment after adjusting ride height cause the caster and camber will be out of whack
@@juliogonzo2718 some guy told me I need a camber caster kit is that true ?
@@carlosguzman-jj7mo not sure how it is adjusted on an 07. I think on gm's sometimes you need to buy the parts that adjust the alignment if they are rusty. I would talk to a shop that does a lot of suspension work and see what they say.
@@juliogonzo2718 ok thanks
I just bought a 08 Sierra 1500 that has been on cranked keys for who knows how long and this video kind of scares me
It gives you the height but takes a toll on other suspension components
Does anyone in Wisconsin believe in undercoating a vehicle? You won’t have UCA, ball joints or CV Axles to worry about once they disintegrate because of rust.
The famous coyote chaser truck 😂
I wish kryptonite made UCA’s for my 02 1500
put a gopro on that suspension and show us how that suspension works
Did this on my 96 explorer 2wd it’s not that bad on mine. Lol
Isn't it still a "torsion bar truck"?
Went this route, don’t recommend it
What was the issue or issues?
What about torsion key lifts?
They can make the ride stiffer and the less you crank the less problems
You a Houndsman?
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Yes it's bad... Not just because it wrong... If you want to be a cheap fuck rough country sells keys and shock extensions for under 100 bux.
Just live axle coil convert it..
Yeah... half days' work vs a week or more worth of welding, fabrication, engineering, and trial/error. Plenty reasonable.
07-13
Wtf is up at 3:22, over exaggerates his head movements. Lol
Rides better than my truck does stock
"Feel that?"
Uh, no...
They have torsion bars in 2500???? Wtf I'm lost lol
Boof gm doesn’t make any trucks solid axle from the factory, all gm trucks are ifs
@@zanechiles7302 welp I'm retarded I thought all heavy duty pickups had solid front.
I felt that lol.
or you could just buy a truck with a solid front axle. problem solved.
You guys hired a gay lesbian as a worker huh