Wizards VS Sorcerers in Dungeons and Dragons
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Going for ranger and the excitement was just perfectly timed and unexpected. 11/10
"My power comes from knowledge and that can't be taken away."
I'm very surprised that wasn't immediately countered by a threat of spilling coffee on the wizard's spellbook. But it would have been obvious, suppose. The ending was a nice twist.
Any chance of Fighters vs Monks next?
Love your videos, Duke!
But I gotta say the grammar mistake in the thumbnail really hurts to look at... 😬 It's sorcerers, not sorcerer's (because it's a plural form, those don't get an apostrophe). I'm a grammar nazi, I know (English major). I watch all your videos, so it's probably not the first time I'm commenting on your grammar. Just have someone else proofread your video titles and thumbnails, please.
Bard: ...My lover's a dragon, I can learn whatever spells I want from any class, and, if you invest at least three levels in our Eloquence package, you'll never have to worry about a Nat 1 on Persuasion or Deception ever again. Wow your friends, and seduce your enemies.
@@renab.7390 Sorcerers aren't known for their Intelligence stat.
Wizard: You need to study for YEARS to earn this power!
Sorcerer: You need to have draconic ancestors to harness my power!
Bard: Toot toot magic flute
Bard: You need to have actual talent to join this club.
Warlock: Hehe, cantrips go Brrr
@@siegfried1422 Warlock : You need to have a Soul to join this club
Ranger : Hehe, weed go Brrr
@@melvinjones6862 Fighter: Can you swing this ok your in.
Cleric: I just pray really hard every day
@@Lowdian monk: punch 😐
Ranger got the club stall slot because Druid turned into a snake and couldn't register... And Warlock was busy having a theological debate with Paladin and Cleric.
Ok ok, but what if, I sell my soul, to a high unicorn
That is good right?
Oddly, the warlock's patron is a solar while the paladin took an oath of conquest in service of Levistus.
Nay the Warlock is short resting(napping somewhere)
Sad but true, still nice to see rangers getting a shout out though
Aaaaw... I wanted to enlist as a warlock
It's cool to see wizard standing up for himself for once and dissing sorcerer for a change 🤣
I'm happy for him 🙂
Wizard dies of 1d4 random internet stranger's approval damage.
@@Kartoffelkamm Fellas, is it hurtful to support your homies? •
@@Kartoffelkamm Wizard:Pass death saving throws
the wizard should have died from the blast damage tho
@@ShadowWalker-ng1it ???
Ad-barians can cast spells, like "decapitation" or "cutting in half"
I had one that did. Also sleep, invisibility, headache, pain, and "healing" (very missuderstood "lay on hands". he kept smaking the patients until they screamed "I feel much better already, please let me go!""
I cast inflict blunt force trauma
"I CAST FIST!"
Mind-axe...
anyone?
@@LetsPlayCrazy only OG's
I knew the twist was gonna be that there'd be a third option, but I really thought it'd be the Warlock Club. Didn't see that one coming 🤣
or the Hair-lock instead of the Ad-barian.
I had the exact same thought
Cthulhu: just sign here! I'll give you Eldritch Blast and a bunch oh invocations to improve your Eldritch Blast!
Character: cool? And any other spells?
Cthulhu: ... there are _other_ spells?
Hahahahaha. same! I thought the guy would get tired of the wizard and sorcerer arguing and sealed a deal to be a warlock in the meantime.
i thought warlock was gonna appear out of nowhere open his cloak and say "hey kid want some spells"
Meanwhile, bards: we just play so awesomely that magic has no choice but to obey our wishes
I just think bard is just getting one more level so he gets magical secrets.
bards rolled to seduce mystra and now they have superpowers
Once again proving the superior POWER OF ROCK! (Insert totally awesome, sick-ass lute solo here)
it's not only magic, it's everything
Glad to see Wizard finally stand up for himself and win and Ranger is finally getting some love.
All those spells and yet they only pick fireball.
Wizard died 1d4 debate damage
I was waiting for the Wizard to drop the fact that he doesn't have to wait until Lv.20 to get something back on a short rest.
@@curnott6051 meta magic
@@IamEpiphanyTTV sorcerer died of 0D4 of sneeze damage
Wizard "Study for decades!"
Sorcerer "Be lucky enough to be born with it."
Warlock "Sell your soul to an eldritch horror."
Bard "Learn to sing "
Warlock: Be a sugar baby
Druid: *Mmmmm tree*
Cleric: be sugar baby but whit god
Ranger: druid but whit intelligence
Artificer:nuke
Blood hunter: blood
Fighter: studying but unlike wizard he drop school
Barbarian: STORM HERAULD BABY WHOOOOOOOOOUOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@uiuelite I actually like the idea of a fighter being a wizard school dropout who traded his spellbook and robes for armor and a sword, but still remembers how to cast a few spells and takes it up again because he needs something to even the odds while adventuring.
"A contract or something" I am starting to suspect sorcerer might be another charisma based class in secret...
Charisma based
Nah he's just a coffee lock
Dragonborn sorcerer: burn everything down while flying and screaming no to religion
Clerics: Y’know what’s better than all of that? Getting your entire spell list right off the bat, you think fireball is good? Honey, you haven’t even seen guiding bolt yet....
Guiding Bolt is honestly my favourite spell for my cleric haha
Circle of Stars Druid also has guiding bolt. Archer form + guiding bolt is a nice combo at earlier levels. If you hit the guiding bolt (4d6 radiant) you can then immediatly make an archer form attack as an bonus action with advantage (1d8+wis radiant). Haven't had the luck to get nat20 for both of them, that would be something
Be a cleric of the Light Domain, get fireball!
@@MonkeyJedi99 I'm already on my way ✌︎
You literally have to sign up to be some deity's slave and if you refuse an order they take it all back. I think need rather sell my firstborn to Shogoth.
Guy:oh no, the other one
Warlock: you take the right option, now kill this baby and you can get spells at will
Guy: Oh no, the other other one.
Artificer: Good enough, buddy - just remember, we do spells through SCIENCE! (cue mad scientist laugh)
Spells? You mean a Spell
Spell at will? That sound cool! How many of them?
... 2... Until level 9, then you have... 3...
Put this guys soul in a jar and get power or some bs
The warlock's catch phrase should be, "Aaaand I'm spent."
Ad-barian is a true hero. He cuts into finding the best prices and rages against the weasly merchants. Truly, there are no more noble character than he.
Ranger : "Woo!"
Guy: "No, not you. I was pointing at the Paladin."
Bard: His magic comes from his song.
Sorcerer: His magic comes from his ancestry.
Wizard: His magic comes from his homework.
Barbarian: His magic comes from his rage.
And the Warlock's magic comes from an all-powerful Sugar Daddy!
Ranger: his magic comes from the people who don't play him
And my axe!
@@Mendoza-yi6qk *sad ranger enjoyer noises*
Ranger: His magic comes from gun
And so after years a Ranger being ignored a character was finally going to be made.
weird, this time the sorcerer died from 1d4 sneez damage and not the wizard
I mean it was inevitable, they have the same amount of HP.
He didn't get the robust feat which for me it's a must
I think that was more than 1d4
I'm just glad Ranger is happy.
Everything about this video I just...😂😂😂 Ranger finally has some friends now!!
I laughed so hard at Ranger's "WOOHOO!"
Rangers for life!! 😍 Best part of the video!
@@GunnerM60 dont hate me, but im a fighter main.
A wizard without fireball is just a warlock who’s patron is a non sentient book.
That’s basically Order of Scribes.
Fiend warlocks can also cast fireball.
@@estebanramirez1178 except order of scribes learns all damage spells
@@Chrjstheshadow Order of Scribes is the reason why it’s viable to learn Chromatic Orb at 2nd level.
Necromancy wizard here
no fireball in my repertoir, mostly necrotic, acid and poison damage spells
but the spell for attacks i still use the most is:
Magic Missile
It feels like we need a Cleric/Druid/Paladin argument now.
And maybe a warlock for good measure
@@henrikovitch3344 Warlock comes in and kills two of them, then runs out of spell slots to finish off the last one.
Considering Ranger is one of my favourite stereotypes (simply because of the animal companion), I am always happy to see him get a tiny little positive moment in these skits from time to time.
Finally! Someone who joins the _Ranger Club,_ it only took three years, wait!
Where do you go? Why does the *Ad-Barian* always get the new people!?
I am actually surprised the sorceror didn't just get up and take away their spell book and say "Cast X spell"
Jokes on him, the Wizard only needs the spellbook to prepare his spells, not to cast them.
@@NorninTGK Yes but if you take the spell book away and then ask them to cast a spell they don't have prepared/memorized they can't cast it
@@Gareon155 Well you don't need to take their spellbook for that.
Also, the Wizard can still usually prepare more spells than the Sorcerer knows in total. So that's something that the Wizard could just turn back around at the Sorcerer.
@@Gareon155 Okay, have a Sorcerer cast a spell they haven't prepared/obtained. I am actually a mainstay player between Wizard & Bard. Both are great spellcaster classes if you have time to set up a combo & the understanding of the various spells abilities.
*Scribes Wizard:* "Dick." One hour later after obliterating Sorcerer, "Still got it."
Honestly, the second I heard the word "contract", I thought the warlock club would come into action but seems I was wrong
The ranger punchline was very funny though so I'm not disappointed !
Wizard: *Studies for a test and gets an A+*
Sorcerer: *Doesn't study for a test and gets two B+'s*
Another good point for wizard is that you can actually become one whenever you want, you just need to study
Being a sorcerer thought... You're either born one or you're willing to take the most dangerous experiment injecting some magic in you, hoping it might work
Meanwhile, at the dark corner
Warlock: Hey, kid, want spells? You do my boss a favor, and my boss will do you a favor...
"my power comes from knowledge and that can't be taken away from me"
aberrations and other such mind sucking eldritch horrors from beyond the far realms: "did someone say knowledge?"
edit: 2:14 LET THE RANGERS HAVE THIS ONE DAMMIT
Also
Feeblemind: “Moron says what”
Wizard: “Wha- uhhhhh... duhgoie... hezzghfled”
@@theaspie3121 wizard would probably make the save tho. Sorc would probably fail it and not be able to cast. + Feeble mind effects charisma too
@@kylehalpern6695 True. It is an Int save so Wizard has a much better chance to succeed, but it is possible, especially with some debuffs like bane, mind sliver, and silvery barbs. But, it would be fun to see Wizard lose all the knowledge he boasted because of another spellcaster. Unfortunately it can’t even be with the irony of Sorcerer doing it since it’s not on the Sorcerer’s spell list
"Can't be taken away, you say?"
*sets spellbook on fire*
@@theaspie3121 it would be. Unfortunately for sorc they don't learn feeblemind.
Omg that ending was amazing. I love wild magic sorcerers, but I also love being able to learn almost every spell, so I never know which one I should pick
Sorcerer/Wizard multiclass?
@@fraidei2094 That is indeed an option worth exploring
Born with magical powers, but deciding to actually study to enhance their natural ability.
2:10 "you know I think I'm gonna go with them"
Ranger... Hate to break it to you but he was pointing at the bard club
Warlock's just standing menacingly in a corner whispering, "Hey, hey! Want some magic? Sign here, you can cast everything at max level. No, you don't need to read it, just sign. No, the contract is not whispering in foul, unknowable tongues from the spaces between realities. Listen, you get eldritch blast, okay?"
And here I thought you were going to have some Demonic guys standing there for the warlock club after he decided not to do wizard.
Warlock: Why not come over here? You want power without endless study, just make a pact! Dont like demons? We have great old ones. Dont like cthulu? Then we have fey pacts, Dont like being called a fairy? We can make you a good swimmer with the fathomless! Want to annoy the cleric? Celestial pacts my friend! You aint never had a friend? You will like this genie pact! Feel like mixing it up in melee? We can hex this blade over here and go to town! Hate feeling mortal? We have a pact for that as well!
You just made the warlock sound like a infomercial salesman. I love it.
Warlocks in the corner: Just sell your soul for magic. One easy step and you have a lovely friendship with a being of incredible power and some fun magic
Actually the Wizard can cast more spells of the Utility variety.
While a few classes have Ritual Caster, they are limited to know or prepared Spells. Wizards are only limited to what is in their spellbook, meaning they actually get to use their spells while out of combat.
If Ad-Barian is looking for magic recrutes, does that mean he's a Wild Magic Barbarian? 🤔
finally… LORE!
Kinda weird that the Sorcerer says "Work smarter, not harder" to argue against a Wizard.
Wizard: FINALLY! after years of study, I CAN FINALLY CAST A FIRE BALL!!
Sorceter: mom, i put the house on fire again
How I was expecting it to end.
Dude: Y'know, I'm going to join the Sorcerers.
Sorcerer: That's great! Now show me your birth magic.
Dude: My... birth magic?
Sorcerer: Yeah, the magic you were born with!
Dude: I'm... not...
Sorcerer: ...We might have a problem
How did wizard not die of 1d4 damage? That's a miracle
He leveled up a while back, and it has really paid off.
This rare wizard survived long enough to become a teacher.
He is not level 1 - but the back-and-forth was grueling nonetheless. ^_~
Sorcerers are easily the best counter to magic users with silent spell casting, it makes it so you can’t counter-spell the magic.
Also 15 spells is a HUGE handicap
@jamil nielsen And if you really want dual-class options, Divine Soul for sorceror AND cleric spells.
@@highfivedog2336 then take clockwork soul or abberant mind sorcerer to get more spells.
only true of spells for which speech is the only component. If you need to use a piece of fleece, I can counterspell because I see you reaching for the fleece.
@@jrsmithunited I'm not sure that reaching for an item in your inventory or component pouch counts as seeing the spell being cast. There's no verbal or somatic components, so you don't see any magic being performed, just a person grabbing a small trinket. You might assume they're casting a spell because of that, but you aren't seeing one being cast, so counterspell isn't triggered.
"My power comes from knowledge, and that can never be taken away from me!"
Literally Anyone: *steals spellbook*
Arcane Trickster: *steals literal knowledge*
I was almost expecting a Warlock club, where some smooth talker had a contract ready to be signed
Clerics: Just pray really hard to one of fourteen domains, and you'll have more choices of powerful spells than Wizard!
Wizards can move mountains and create apocalypses while a cleric needs a unreliable God to even attempt that
Clerics are overpowered
@@korruptedapple3854 Actually you can make a cleric that doesnt believe in Gods. Like how a Paladin doesnt need gods.
Take Nature Domain clerics. They dont believe in Selune or any Nature Deity, they just believe in the beauty, longevity, and POWER of mother nature (so basically a Druid that CAN wear metal but can't wildshape).
@@Heavenlyhounds96
Sounds like a warlock with extra steps. Why worship a god and embody their virtues when you can cop out and say your an atheist and somehow got magic from a god despite not believing in them in the first place.
@@jauneasharithespecialist7885 all worship based classes are warlocks with extra steps when you think about it. Even in terms of the domains of gods there are some objectively sinister choices you can make as a cleric
Sorcerer: [Subtle spell Fireball the Wizard’s book]. How many spells do you know again?
The wizard 24... Still more than you can ever have
Order of scribes wizard: [restoring their entire spell book with a first level spell] all of them
Common magic item Enduring Spellbook makes it immune to fire. Also, they will still know the Wiz+int spells they prepared that day. You only need the spell book to prepare new spells.
@@joehonjoehanusberger1567 Sorcerer: Did I say Subtle? I transmute the Fireball spell into acid.
Thats weird, how come the wizard did not die from that cold he got from the Sorcerers sneeze?
high level wizard
The teaching methods of short lived races versus long lived races diverge massively on wizardry. To the most part...
Elves generally learn it very slowly, but often more successfully. They hammer in he basics of wizardry for a hundred years, before elves can even begin to cast first level spells and the like. However, this means that wizards generally more successfully learn arcane, most surviving the process of learning arcane magic.
Humans have two schools. One is the traditional ones, similar to elves, although a bit of a fast track. This is often why wizards are depicted as old men, as they spend years learning similarly to elves. Generally speaking, this method involves apprentice ship, and often is around 30 years, with initiates a bit less likely to survive then elves, but usually commonly do so. The problem is they generally learn spells in their 40s, and only become power houses in their 50s and 60s. Literally giving their life to magic, more or less.
The second school of magic for humans is a fast track, spending around 10 years and learning the basics, and throwing your initiates to the wolves. Very few survive the process, and often get themselves kills by attempting to learn magic quickly. This one favors only very intelligent initiates, and those that can catch on quickly. More or less, the Darwin school of magic.
The second school of magic is often the reason why human wizards often have rather large egos, many of which going into more evil routes. When you begin to take shortcuts, and have an ego because you were good enough to survive a quick tutorial on magic, you start to take more and more short cuts. Start to think others are beneath you.
The evil thing is a bit of a theory tho, so don't take to much stock into it
Sometimes living in the country is a blessing. The second the sorcerer sneezed my video began to buffer and lower itself to 144p. I'm writing this off as his wild magic transcending reality lmfao
I fully expected to go to the warlock club where there was a bloody contract waiting
Warlocks: Hey I’ll give you $20 to join my club. You’ll just have to pay back over time with interest.
Clerics: **too busy being useful**
Druids: Take this dirt and rub it on your face.
Barbarian: "I can do magic too!"
*Rages in Path of Wild Magic*
This could have ended with the two just yelling at each other, the guy just sitting there awkwardly, and the warlock walks over
"hey, just sign this contract and you get magic"
'ok'
1:32
That won't age well when an enemy Bard, Druid, Warlock, or fellow Wizard casts Feeblemind on him.
that's an intelligence save, which wizards are proficient in. good luck on it working when the wizard probably has luck too.
and also counter spell, it's more likely to work on a druid, warlock, or bard than a wizard.
2:02 Wizard: *dies of 1D4 having made a point damage*
"Prove it! Sneeze!" that's so threatening...
It kinda depends on what type of games you are playing in which class is better. If you are playing in a game where almost everything is combat after combat, a sorcerer is definitely better. But playing a wizard is waaaaaaaay better when it comes to games that involve puzzles, mysteries, and investigation. Wizards especially if you choose divination are natural researchers, and the higher INT really helps. Wizards are far from "less useful" but they might be a bit less fun for alot of players to play as they are a bit more of a support role. but that being said, in just about every game I have ever played in or Dm'd the players will consult a Wizard NPC for help more often than they consult the rest of the Npc's combined.
"Oh we're talking options now!?"
That's literally the Wizards entire argument...
And its a damn good one.
The sorcerer does make a good point though, because the sorcerers can cast spells without spell slots.
@@maryanneroberto6723 Well no, they can't. They can just regain spell slots through SP (which are very low in number). A wizard meanwhile recovers half his level in spell slots once a day which at higher levels is more spell slot levels total than a sorcerer can make through SP consumption.
@@MrJoeyWheeler yes but at higher levels sorcerers can create multiple ninth eighth and seventh or spell slot when they run out
Warlocks and Druids in the Background seeing the Argument:
You seeing this shit?
Warlock - "Hey, wanna sell your soul?"
Love your vids man keep up the good work
Biggest thing is that Sorcerers can’t get Find Familiar… or Leomund’s Tiny Hut… or Wall of Force… or Contingency… or any of the other one-hundred-twenty seven spells that Wizard gets and Sorcerer doesn’t :P
Find familiar can easily be gotten by picking the feat Ritual Caster (Wizard), but at that point you're basically part Wizard anyway.
I was ready to see the wizard dying of 1d4 sneezing fireball damage
"And that can never be taken away from me!"
So long as you never lose your spellbook.
What is up...... And I cannot stress this enough..... My gamers
This is awesome
What about cleric vs warlock?
Clerics dont actually need a god per se (learned this from my party) BUUT if you get a Celestial Warlock and Cleric associated with the same entity...the Warlock has a stronger connection with said entity, guaranteed
@@Heavenlyhounds96 Would still be an interesting debate nonetheless
@@Moonshine_Victory Agreed.
C: "At least I didnt have to literally give my soul, mind, or name for my powers."
W: *pretends he was on a phone for a moment before hanging up* "What was that? I couldnt hear you over having my patron ON-CALL."
@@Heavenlyhounds96 C: "Oh? All I hear is you NOT having ALL THE SPELLS of your class!"
_Sorry, I'm not good at this but I tried_
rare footage of wizard surviving 1d4 damage
1:34 "Well my power comes from knowledge and that can never be taken away from me."
*burns their book.*
Wizard: "My power comes from knowledge and that can never be taken away"
Sorc: Drops spellbook in fire
Wizard: 👀an excellent point. What did we learn?
Counterpoint: Cantrip - Control Flames
We learned that you should have backup spellbooks, that magic spellbook that's harder to destroy, or be a wizard of the Order of Scribes.
Personally I prefer sorcerer over wizard because I’m a new player and choosing the school is a little bit confusing to me
Choosing the school is the exact same thing as choosing the subclass, with at least with Wizard you can play the game at level 1 and then choose the subclass in the next level, with Sorcerer you have to choose your subclass even before playing
Ok thanks bro
That's the thing
You don't choose sorcery. Sorcery chooses you.
Ranger: "WOOHOO! My first member!"
I still love wizards more.
When you play the game... Metamagic doesn't do a whole lot.
I may start a flame war saying this, but Wizards are just more versatile, even when they specialize in a school.
Facts. Simple as that.
Hate to break it to ya but when I played a sorcerer I defeated the BBEG because I used meta magic to change my spells damage type because my spells original type is a spell the BBEG is immune to.
@@nintendoboy3605 nice. But let's be honest, a wizard would've just had a spell with the desired damage type prepared. I do think metamagic's concept is cool, especially since you can take away components needed for a counterspell to function, but i still think a sorcerer got shafted compared to the wizard, mostly because of the number of spells a sorcerer gains access to.
You mean, when YOU played the game.
“Funny how you have all these options but the only one people choose is to not play you” that one should have dealt psychic damage
Well, the Ranger spell list is pretty darn good, aside from the cleric you are one of the few classes with Revivify, wich is awesome for a martial class.
Pan over to the warlock enthusiastically smiling and nodding while holding out a contract
Wizard: *Dies of 1d4 feeling proud damage*
"My power comes from knowledge and that can never be taken away from me!"
Feeble mind says hi.
It's worth saying, that immunity to disease would probably stop involuntary baldness. So if you want Patrick Stewart the Paladin, you'll have to purposefully shave.
Ooooo the Vicious Mockery at the end!!! He definitely belongs with The Bards.
Warlock Club: "I'm about to make you an offer you can't refuse. Literally, you can't. Sign on or face the madness of Cthulhu."
Wizard: thats right, it was you that died of 1d4 sneeze damage this time not me!
I'm honestly surprised that it didn't happen earlier, they have the same hit die.
Honestly loving the "just happy to be here" Ranger
1. Good for Ranger. I'm happy for him.
2. Good for Wizard, he got one over on Sorcerer.
3. Sorry Ad-barian. Most Arcane Casters can learn a spell that can give them hair.
At 1:33 was really hoping someone would take the spellbook and have Sorcerer comment on the Wizard not being able to cast anything
Ranger was so happy, I almost cried a little.
Was waiting for a warlock at the end going "hey, wanna learn magic by selling you soul?"
-"what?"
"what?"
I don't know a terribly lot about 5ed (mostly a 3ed player), but I've always found the best part about Sorcerer isn't the fact they have more slots, but the fact their magic is CHA based. This opens a Sorcerer up to a few useful skills that a Wizard won't exactly be great at. But for pure spell casting the wizard is always going to win out. The classes are defined more than simple spell slots.
Next one could be a fight of the half-casters, paladin VS ranger. i'd imagine it would be something like:
paladin: "is this even a competition? i can"t even throw stereotypes at you, because no one plays you"
ranger: "i agree, it's not a competition, you are too lawful stupid to think of something rude enough that i haven't heard before"
I’m so happy that the Ranger finally gets some love. 🤩
sorcerers need material components just as much as wizards
Warlock, chillin in the corner with a latte: Man, those guys are intense.
Rangers in the back be like: Please send them my way....
*gets a new recruit* Wohoo!!!!
I literally have a goblin who found a spellbook and a instruction manual. He just started yelling and waving... boom magic.
Ad-Barian: I cast kill.
DM: power word kill? You can’t cast that
Ad-Barian: this axe says otherwise.
Did NOT expect that last club there, lol.
I love "....I can control it!"
Meanwhile, artificer club: "Hey kid, want some guns?"
The Ranger;"Woo Hoo!"
Me; 🤣 I would have gone there first!
That "WOOHOO" was so freakin adorable