About 25 (or more) years ago I bought a Simmons rim fire scope from Sportsman’s Guide. It came with two boxes of this stuff. It never saw the inside of my guns. It’s still in the basement somewhere.
I had gas blowback when the rim of a winchester 22 (second worst ammo) ruptured when firing. There was a crack on the edge of the rim that I assume was where the excess gas escaped. I haven't seen worse ammo, but I've definitely seen some on-par ammo.
The reason for the steel cases is that in Russia " brass " is policed by means of a magnet on wheels the set up is towed by a rope, and the steel gets recycled.
At my Wisconsin club we have a display case highlighting just what can happen to guns when improper ammo is used, in the first case a shooter fired a .308 round in a high grade Rem 700 sporter, chambered in .25/06 the stock split in two, the magazine floorplate and spring were blown out, the barrel bulged the extractor was bent, and the bolt stop was blown off, somehow the shooter was not injured. In the second case, a Colt single action had the cylinder blown in half and the top frame broken in front of the cylinder, and bent upwards. In the third example a S& W revolver, had no less then 7 bullets from squib loads stuck in the barrel before the eighth round fired split the barrel, in all of these cases the shooters escaped injury, the case is shown to all new shooters on the range as a prime example of the results of bad ammo/ judgement.
Back in the 1990's I bought three bricks (1500 rds) of this stuff. It was really cheap, at $11 per brick of 500. The dealer who sold it to me did so with the provision that it was rather poor stuff and if i bought it I could not return it. When I first fired some it was not too bad, however after sitting for a couple years (stored in sealed ammo cans, in a cool location) it became unreliable. In fact I ended up "ringing" a Ruger 10/22 barrel with it as a round only made it 1/2 way down the barrel. Good thing there are lots of cheap 10/22 barrels out there. Most of it I ended up shooting out of my Ruger MKII pistol, as even the weakest rounds would clear the pistol length barrel. About once in every box a round would barely exit the barrel and hit the ground 10-15 feet in front of me. It was greasy and dirty shooting stuff. I think I still have one box I kept as a collectable item.
I always tell people to be extremely cautious of unfamiliar foreign brand/produced ammo of any caliber for all the reasons you’ve discussed. It may be great ammo at a bargain price, or it may be dangerously inconsistent and not always properly fire, eject, or fire accurately. It may even leave a bullet in the barrel causing a potential barrel ring or catastrophic failure. As there is potential for a bullet to be left in the barrel due to inconsistent priming and or powder charges with ammo from over seas, rapid fire of ammo that you are not familiar with raises the risk of injury and in my opinion should be avoided completely.
I remember the Winchester Wildcats that I got for $0.79/box back in the 80s were super nasty and I learned early on to hate dirty ammo. At least it fired every time, though.
I must have used nearly 10K rounds of the now discontinued Wildcat ammo. I felt foolish when I saw how poorly it grouped and how well the much loved CCI Standard Velocity grouped.
I've shot a lot of 7.62x25, 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R steel cased ammo. Even some U.S. WWII .45 ACP steel cased ammo. No problems. Klimovsk Junior steel cased .22: extraction problems.
Years ago I bought 2 cases of 6000 rounds ..thought I had struck a deal. I would hear occasionally an obvious low powered round and would always stop and check the barrel for obstructions. Never found any…then one day I was shooting my Iver Johnson Sealed Eight with I believe a 3 inch barrel. I thought I would run a cylinder full double action speed shooting. Everything seemed fine and as I was walking back to reload I saw something strange about the front sight! It was gone! The end of the barrel was split and the front sight was gone. Evidently one of the rounds lodged in the barrel and the next one took it out…all unknown by me!
I have a box of it that I bought years ago, I don't remember it to be terrible. I would love to see you test CCI green tag, an ammo I have never found to shoot well in my rifles.
Every rifle is different, a properly produced ammo that might shoot great in one rifle might not shoot good in another rifle. This particular ammo is poorly produced and unsafe
@Eric L I had one box of 50 rounds i got for 1$ at a gun show. The guy gave me all the warnings about it. I shot it out of an old cooey single shot. i only fired 25 rounds. I had 5 failures to fier, a few stuck casses, and it felt like the rounds had different pressures, and the groupings were not great. From what I understand, this russian steel cased stuff just dident age well. Iv shot alot of old ammerican and canadian made 22 ammo. My grandfather had stored well for years, and it all functioned well for the most part. As for CCI green tag. iv shot a few boxes of it through 2 of my rifles. One rifle liked it, my cooey single shot. And my old winchester shot ok groups with it .not stellar accuracy for the price of the ammo.
@@justacentrist4147 then it has gone down hill from when I bought my one box 20 years ago (about the time clinton stopped imports from China and russia filled the gap) I don't remember any missfires.
In the 1970's in Canada such ammo was available in wooden ammo crates. My father bought a crate of it since it was so cheap and immediately regretted it. Soon he disposed of it in disgust. I don't know if it was the same line of ammo as you have: it burned excessively dirty, stuck in the chamber, weren't very accurate, and about every fifth or sixth shot was a dud.
I use this amunition for long time in a TOZ 17. Also the brass case(yellow box). Have no complain in both. But, in other rifles i find percussion issues. IMO, I thing the iron is too hard.
You did better then i did with it. I bought two bricks of this stuff from a guy shortly after Sandy Hook when 22lr got so scarce. Out of two boxes i was un able to get any of it to fire. It had no priming compound. I gave the whole mess away and with verbal warning. Stay safe and happy shooting, thanks!
Imported about 25 years ago and sold dirt cheap, it was on par with all the other .99 cent a box 22 then available. I would expect some duds based on age and questionable storage conditions.
It won't cycle through my semi auto. I use it in a revolver. Found that if you get one that doesn't fire you can turn the round in the cylinder and try again.
That drawing of bird is Western capercaillie/Wood grouse. In europe that is indeed very popular gamebird. Mostly because of its size and rarity to get one. Black grouse is far more common and it will appear in flocks. Wood grouse is rare sight to spot before it will see you and fly away. Usually hunted with dog which will first find its resting tree and keep its attention by barking and same time hunter will approach silently as possible and hope bird doesnt smell that something is wrong. Old males which have survived many years have usually learned to avoid dogs because that is bad sign when one is barking at tree where you are sitting and will flee away fast as possible.
I remember while living in Germany that is saw some of them mounted as displays amongst other game animals such as pheasants, roe deer, red stag, wild boar, and others. I have always admired European game animals. Wish I could go hunting there.
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman In europe most typical hunt is focused to small game like birds, rabbits and roe deer. Bigger four legged creatures usually needs party with permit if want to hunt them. I cant say that im complaining how it feels to be in in hiding spot before sun rise to wait black grouses to finally come as sun is rising. Well autumm mornings can be a bit cold :D
Your friend told you right. It's total crap. I found a pile for sale online bout a decade ago for give-away prices, and ordered a few of bricks. I wasn't expecting much, and that's a good thing. Rounds were slathered in grease. Steel cases. Accuracy was non-existant. Each shot had a different level of sound. Some went Bang, some went Pop, and everything in between.. Empty brass jammed up. Some of the mlive rounds jammed. I firedm as much as I could, and gave plenty awy to un suspecting friends...(.while I still had them) No more "Junior" ammo for me!
I had a REMINGTON MODEL 552 SPEEDMASTER and was given an assortment of old 22 ammo, shorts, longs and long rifles as a teenager shortly after I got it. I don't know the age but I assume maybe 30 years. I remember one sounding like a squib load and I fired another round after it. Some10 years later, I noticed some accuracy problems with the gun and detected a loose spot in the bore and could see a slight bulge. I don't recall noticing it before or since the incident with the squib load. I really don't know when it happened. It could have been worse but it ruined the rifle which was my pride and joy. Is there a fix for such damage? Inserting a mandrel and hammering the bulge on the barrel?
Squib loads are bad news for any firearm. Some rifles rupture the barrel, some bulge the barrel (especially in .22's). You can either replace the barrel, or drill it out and install a new liner. This takes some gunsmithing skill, but it can be done for under $100 if you do it yourself. I repaired an old Remington model 12 barrel with a new liner last fall, and it works great. Brownell's has new liners for about $50, and you can drill out the barrel with a long 5/16th's drill, a .22 LR chamber reamer (which you can buy on ebay or borrow), and a vice. Slow and steady work gets the job done neatly. Here is a link to a video I posted when I restored that old .22 rifle. ruclips.net/video/y5F4u2FAbZc/видео.html
I recently purchased a Remington Golden Bullet Bucket O Bullets 22 Long Rifle 36gr …they don’t function well in either of my 10/22s (that usually eat anything) or my Colt 22 auto.
.22 LR "Junior" ammunition by Klimovsk Stamping Plant I bought a brick of this two decades ago and the memory remains. Steel cased .22 Long Rifle rimfire. I thought that was the wierdest "running bird" art. Then I saw a large deailed version of that logo. Turns out it's a bird sitting on a branch. Every American .22 firearm I owned (designed and tested with brass cased .22 lr rf) had severe extraction problems with the Junior ammo. Had to use a cleaning rod down the muzzle to extract it from a Marlin M60. The only gun I owned that worked with that steel cased stuff was a Romanian Patriot Guard M1969 Army Training rifle (bought surplus priced at $69). I made a point of plinking my .22 Junior all up, ASAP, that summer and fall.
I am familiar with this type ammo. It is loaded with a very greasy lubricant. It does not store well and with a lot of time the powder and priming compound may get contaminated to various degrees by the grease. When it was 'fresh' 25-30 years ago it was an ok low velocity round intended for bolt action training rifles meant for indoor ranges used for paramilitary/militia training in russian shooting clubs. The chinese made similar ammo. I fired such in chinese JW-15 rifles without a major problem. The pressure of this ammo is quite low and sometimes some gas would leak out of the back of the action since pressure was not enough for the steel case to obturate the chamber.
I have all 4 grades of Vostock brass cased ammo and it shoots as well as it did in 1989. It is coated with match grade lube and needs to be stored at reasonable temperatures.
@@0529mpb I do have some brass case .22 target grade rifle ammo that has a greasy lube on it. It was expensive wolf branded ammo that was made in germany. It was meant for manually operated guns.
I fooled with that a good while back and found it only suitable in a revolver and for target practice\plinking. It was the only kind available to me at the time. As an inexpensive revolver I suspect the tolerance on the bore diameter may be generous as I had no extraction issues. I did find an abnormal number if misfires\light primer strikes. Better then having no ammunition but not much.
The green box/green case is steel case and does stick A LOT. I hate it and have not shot any since i first bought a case back in the 90's. BUT the yellow box/brass case stuff (same brand) i bought five 2500 round cases in early 90's to shoot in a Norinco JW-15 bolt action 22. it gives 1 to 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards (depending on me and winds on any given day) in that rifle. However, that ammo only shoots well in the Norinco - it shoots like crap plinking ammo in all my other 22 rifles. On the other hand, any other 22 ammo from cheap plinking stuff to expensive target 22 ammo shoots like poorly in the Norinco rifle.
I bought 1000 rounds of this stuff about 30 years ago. I shot it in my 10-22 and it worked well. Accurate enough for my purposes. There was an inconsistency in the sound of the shots, but no squib loads. The .22 revolver I had at the time fired them okay but every round I fired through it stuck in the chamber. Coincidentally a few months ago I found 5 boxes that I had long since forgotten about. I shot one box through my old High Standard double nine and they worked just fine. Some sounded lighter than others, but not many. I am not going to shoot them through my rifle because a longer barrel makes a squib load much more likely. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot them in my revolver.
When that ammo was common, I used to shoot a lot of it. Not out of anything semi-auto, but I have a WW2 vintage Stevens 416T that shot it very well. I had better results with the groups, but that likely has more to do with the longer and heavier barrel on the Stevens. It is "messy" due to the external lube, but other than that, I do not remember ever having serious issues with it. I can say that it did not play well with any of my semi-auto .22's, rarely cycling more than three or four sequential shots before suffering a FTE.
The worst ammo I have ever come across is RWS Z LANG , I got it to shoot small vermin in my garden, I tried sighting it in at 15 metres , shotgun patron, some fell to the ground before reaching the target. Cheers from Ireland, keep up the good work.
Back in 89 I bought an ammo can of the stuff from The Sportsman's Guide. Was super cheap. Had a little Daisy bolt gun that I tried to run it in. Stuck in mine too. Had to use a rod and a small hammer to get the case out. 3 in a row and I was done. At the time i attributesd the problem to a combination of the steel case and a new rough chamber. I also didn't like the cosmoline like smutz that its coated in. Also noticed the slugs seemed loose. The rest of it is still sitting in the can in the garage.
A bulk box of federal is the worst I've ever used. The variation in the sound from one round to the next was astonishing. It grouped better than I expected but was still appalling. I've heard bulk Remington is garbage as well.
08:00 I had the same thing happen years ago. Made in Mexico .22 shorts branded & sold under the Smith & Wesson label. A nearly new Marlin 39 golden was the rifle. Every shot blew back particles into my face. Particles were unburned powder (I believe) mostly black with some yellow particles. Glad I was wearing glasses. This was circa 1980 and I'd run thousands of .22 LR and some shorts through a variety of guns. It was all US made ammo of all brands. Never once had .22 ammo blow crap back through the action. The Marlin 39 was very tightly fitted so getting that much junk forced out the back was quite a feat of Mexican engineering. Smith & Wesson also sold centerfire rifle ammo in common calibers in clear plastic 10 packs. I had 30-30, 308 and 30-06 and can say it took the trophy as the worst centerfire ammo I've ever used. The cases were so soft the rims would be dented up right from the box. Good for one reload then trash can. It was made in Mexico also.
Somehow I knew when I saw the title that this was going to be the junior 22lr ammo. I traded a buck knife for about 300 rounds of 22lr. 2 boxes of it was this exact ammo. I never fired it, but I've heard it was the worst ammo ever made.
Best I can figure about the gas blow back is because steel does not expand as well as brass, thereby not sealing the chamber when the round is fired. Brass is softer than steel. I would be concerned about the firing pin being damaged striking a steel cartridge.
There has been some shoddy ammo manufactured here in the US. I guess you get what you pay for. Then again, ammo prices are higher than ever no matter what you buy.
I have shot a lot of this. The extraction issues can be resolved by putting a light covering of oil on the cases. I would grab a handful, then put a few drops of gun oil on the pile and just roll then around. After that they do just fine.
That brought back memories from the 90's. I liked the first batch as it was subsonic but it was dirtier than most other ammo. The second batch was horrible, misfires and the cases didn't seem to be uniform dimensions. I gave the rest away long ago.
Surprised you would use "questionable" ammo in one of your favorite rifles ? I consider this a Public Service announcement . I bought some of this approximately 10 years ago , and agree that it is terrible . Dirty , inconsistent , inaccurate , and had a couple split cases . Still have 42 cartridges that I will NEVER use again , and the box is marked NO so nobody else might unknowingly use it . Always enjoy your videos , and thank you for educating the Rimfire Fanatic Community .
I’ve never tried Junior and thank you CO for the public service announcement. I recently bought 2 boxes of 50 MAGTECH 22 ammo for $4.99 a box. I thought I had a bargain. Very erratic firing. Some hot, some doubtful the bullet made it through the barrel, some total duds that didn’t fire. Very smokey too. Anyone experience this with MAGTECH 22 ammo? I’ve heard MAGTECH center fire ammo is decent.
Indeed the worst. I had some of that crap 20+ years ago. It was the worst ever. All of the problems you mentioned and variances in power from weak to super hot. If you check the bullet diameter its all over the place too. The only way it could be a good target ammo would be to use it as a target. I had bought a brick of it. Just for fun i finally threw about 400 rounds in the campfire one night.
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman yep. Like firecracker going off. Was just to have fun with it. The bullets dont go anywhere. Just the cases and they are harmless pretty much. Was a hold my beer kinda thing. Just walked up to the fire n told everybody how bad the ammo was n threw it on the fire so everybody got back. They all complained that they would have shot it but i had knocked three bullets out of my 10/22 barrel. Gotta have fun where we can.
Well, We got stuck with two pallets of the stuff. We literally ended up giving it away with new gun purchases. On average it had a 20% failure to fire rate.. But in saying that, two years ago we got a pallet of CCI Standard that had a 20% either wouldnt go off or would lodge a projectile about a inch up the barrel.
@@darronmiller9126 Our issues is, we usually but 250,000 rounds at a time.. And being Australia.. Pretty hard to return the stuff.. We reported batch numbers etc to CCI..
Was given 4 boxes of this stuff many many years ago. It all shot ok but did wind up with numerous failures to eject. I think that was due to the VERY heavy coating of goof (wax?) all over it. This stuff must have served as a lube & rust preventive…just a guess tho.
Steel doesn't obturate. Thats why they get stuck. In the old days, all 22lr ammo was waxed it served 3 purposes. #1 Waterproofing, #2 reduces fouling and keeps it soft, #3 helps with extraction. Lots of modern match grade 22 ammo is still lubricated today. As a side note, if you have a really old 22LR semi-auto that has issues with cycalimg ammo, try lubricating the cartridges. A lot of those old 22 semi autos were built to run waxed cartriges
It definately doesn't in 7.62x39 so I doubt it would in .22lr. When I put Chinese surplus copperwash through my ruger american you can see signs of blowby on the neck.
My Daddy took me and my older sister when I was 3 1/2 and she was 7 1/2 to learn to shoot his Mossberg Model 37(b) bolt-action rifle I still own. He and Momma always used Remington Hi-Speed brass-washed bullets (Kleen-Bore) and that's what 99.9% of what I've put down it have been. I've used some CCI "Stingers" on grey squirrels, but the Remington's thru the eye do fine. I envy your very nice scope! I haven't found a nice 2 1/2X or 4X scope for a .22 that doesn't cost what a 'fridge does! The Mossberg has the factory peep-sight and my 70 year-old eyes don't like well at the indoor range...
I’ve seen ammo from several unknown companies over the last year or so and have been tempted to try them. I’m teaching my 9 yr old Granddaughter to shoot and I stuck with CCI because I didn’t want her to loose interest in it if it became a chore dealing with misfires and stuck cases. I’m in South Middle Tennessee, straight below you. Have you seen the new ammo on shelves lately in the orange boxes called Tennessee something or other but it’s apparently made here. I’ve seen it showing up in all the stores around me lately. It was the only .380acp on the shelves for a long time!
Steel on steel needs more lube than steel on brass. That is the reason the first couple of rounds stuck after firing.once the case lube slicked up your chamber, you was good to go. I personally love the Russian ammo for .22. Especially the Green Box "Surok" labeled Hollow Points. That is some of the hardest hitting .22lr I have ever fired. The hollow cavity in the bullet is huge .
Sorry if this was addressed by anyone else in regards to those initial few sticking cases. I've used a number of older, .22LR box magazine repeaters and every one of them would occasionally exhibit that same failure to extract when rounds were single-loaded in that manner, regardless of ammo brand. The only way I could get reliable extraction was to load that single round using the magazine. Could that have been the cause?
Not sure, but all the rest of the rounds came out easily. I personally think that as I fed the ammo into the chamber, some of the bullet lube was deposited into the chamber walls, and actually lubricated the following round. Just an observation on my part.
I wonder if the Russians are sloppy with their tolerances. Some of the steel cases maybe a little over size and bind in the chamber while some are undersized and allow blow by. The powder charges may have a similarly wide tolerance?
I split a case of this crap with a buddy back in the late '90's. I tried it in a semi auto, wouldn't cycle. In a revolver, just a mess. Misfires, squibs, and at best, filthy.
I struck a snag with 22 rimfire ammo from amscor the Philippine manufacturer. It was stripping the jacket off some rounds in the breech of a CZ. However to be fair it appeared to only restricted to one box in the brick
Amscor… I went to their shooting range in Cebu March 2024. Nice shop, welcoming people. But…” sorry Sir, no shooting, the range burned down” Really! Behind the door were the black remnants of the best shooting range of the entire island.
That is not bullet lube. That is a form of some kind of cosmoline /wax compound to keep the cases from rusting . The stuff is complete junk. Bought a case of that stuff in the early or mid 90's and it was horrible then. I could not give it away and eventually dumped them in a burn barrel to dispose of.
I've never used this .22 ammo but I have used Winchester black box M22 ammo and found it to be very lacking. At least 40% would not go in the cylinder of my S&W Model 17 and about 40% would go in if forced. I didn't force as it wasn't worth it. I could shoot it in my Marlin .22 rifle but in my High Standard .22 auto I'd have very frequent jams where a case was stuck partially out of the chamber failing to extract or would stovepipe. As to steel cased ammo, I have shot a few boxes of Tulammo (steel Russian) .45 and it beat the ejector on my .45 up really badly, enough I had to remove it and straighten and debur it. It seemed like cheap range ammo when I bought it but after the damage, it really wasn't worth it. I was able to salvage the ejector but if I had to replace it, it would have offset the "savings" of the cheap ammo.
Winchester M22 black box is what I had issues with. About 3/4 would not fit in the cylinder of my S&W Model 17. I had about a third not fit in a Springfield Model 15, and those old guns would shoot anything. About a third would stovepipe in my .22 auto. The only thing they would shoot in was my .22 lever rifle. thinking it was just the box I got, I have talked to others at the range who had similar experiences. Not fitting in their revolvers, and poor performance in their semi-auto pistols.
A single-shot bolt action is almost the simplest technical environment for a cartridge, with the possible exception of a revolver. If it varies as badly as it sounds, that would not do well in a semi-automatic (pistol or reifle).
I have 2 fine CZ ( 455-453) and an excellent Anschutz 1416. I have tried cheap WW and Federal bulk ammo, but get occasional misfires. Tried CCI minimags and never had to look back. Used it on thousands of gophers. I rather pay a tad extra and get quality without problems.
Heck. I bought some "Browning" .22 lr made by Winchester that the bullets were out of spec and would not chamber in any of my semi autos. They did work in my bolt gun. I tried calling Browning and the only number I could find was for their Hazmat info. Never going to buy any more Browning.
I saw a video years ago about this ammo. And they recommended that you put a drop of oil on the casing . I don't know how many rounds you can shoot before putting another 😢drop of oil on a casing. And I wish you would have used an semiautomatic to see if they would cycle the action. I have a shit load of this ammo that I bought in the mid 90's but have never fired a round. I was told it was good ammo and used by the Russian Olympic games.
It appears you have green boxes and steel cases. In the early 90's I shot thousands of rounds of that Russian made standard velocity Junior ammo from yellow boxes and having brass cases. Never any problems with it. Still have some bought back then that I shoot occasionally. It may be old, but it shoots as good as it did 30+ years ago. Being standard velocity, don't expect it to be reliable in semi-auto rifles; however, I shot many pistol matches using it in High Standard and S&W semi-auto pistols.
Usually when a group is strung vertically like that, it is a result of uneven breathing while shooting. Considering the early problems, you had a right to be breathing heavy. I would be.
That ammo is made by a company called Vostock. I have some from the late 1980's or early 1990's. In a surplus Baikal .22 LR it shoots very well with less than 1/2 inch groups if conditions are right. I never had any problem with corrosion with that ammo. The lubricant is very greasy, I learned to not shoot it when the temperature is too warm, like over 70 degrees. I never had any problem with shooting Vostock .22 LR in any bolt gun. I stopped shooting it in my Stevens 1915 Favorite due to the apparent lack of sealing, probably because of the steel cases. I also have some Vostock .22 LR in brass cases that do not have that problem. I did have failure to fire problems with this ammo in a Heritage Rough Rider .22 LR revolver. That firearm is the only one I have had a .22 LR squib in also. That was Winchester Western ammo. The pop, when discharged, was greatly different and I saw the bullet as it flew to the target 10 yards away!!! After shooting a couple of bricks of the Vostok ammo, I have had no squibs.
Yes. Brass Junior was about the equivalent of CCI standard. The Vostock Olympik with the dimple in the center was outperforming Eley Tenex. There were 2 grades in between that also shot exceptionally well. One was in a pink box. The level above that was in a white box.
I use some of these years ago. I was not impressed with their performance of them, but never had a squib round from them.
Good video!!!!
It's the squib loads that probably scare me the most. I've never had one but I always try to make sure the barrel is clear.
If I stumble onto some ,I might buy a box just for the novelty of it, just to set on the shelf.
I suppose that's one of the reasons i agreed to get some of it, and of course to make this video.
About 25 (or more) years ago I bought a Simmons rim fire scope from Sportsman’s Guide. It came with two boxes of this stuff. It never saw the inside of my guns. It’s still in the basement somewhere.
Simmons seem like good scopes. Especially for the money.Bought the 3-9x50 and it was clear and held 0 so seeing they were only 65$ total I got 2 more.
Clarksville Tennessee? You must be right down the road from Hickok 45 that’s cool I’ve shot with him at his compound a few years back.
Indeed. I think he lives in the Pleasant View area, which is between Clarksville and Nashville.
Wait till you see the British steel case crap from the forties
I had gas blowback when the rim of a winchester 22 (second worst ammo) ruptured when firing. There was a crack on the edge of the rim that I assume was where the excess gas escaped. I haven't seen worse ammo, but I've definitely seen some on-par ammo.
The reason for the steel cases is that in Russia " brass " is policed by means of a magnet on wheels the set up is towed by a rope, and the steel gets recycled.
At my Wisconsin club we have a display case highlighting just what can happen to guns when improper ammo is used, in the first case a shooter fired a .308 round in a high grade Rem 700 sporter, chambered in .25/06 the stock split in two, the magazine floorplate and spring were blown out, the barrel bulged the extractor was bent, and the bolt stop was blown off, somehow the shooter was not injured. In the second case, a Colt single action had the cylinder blown in half and the top frame broken in front of the cylinder, and bent upwards. In the third example a S& W revolver, had no less then 7 bullets from squib loads stuck in the barrel before the eighth round fired split the barrel, in all of these cases the shooters escaped injury, the case is shown to all new shooters on the range as a prime example of the results of bad ammo/ judgement.
The yellow box brass cased junior ammo was under 50 cents a box in 89-90 and insanely accurate in a bolt gun. None of this was made for semi-autos.
Back in the 1990's I bought three bricks (1500 rds) of this stuff. It was really cheap, at $11 per brick of 500. The dealer who sold it to me did so with the provision that it was rather poor stuff and if i bought it I could not return it. When I first fired some it was not too bad, however after sitting for a couple years (stored in sealed ammo cans, in a cool location) it became unreliable. In fact I ended up "ringing" a Ruger 10/22 barrel with it as a round only made it 1/2 way down the barrel. Good thing there are lots of cheap 10/22 barrels out there. Most of it I ended up shooting out of my Ruger MKII pistol, as even the weakest rounds would clear the pistol length barrel. About once in every box a round would barely exit the barrel and hit the ground 10-15 feet in front of me. It was greasy and dirty shooting stuff. I think I still have one box I kept as a collectable item.
I have a box of “Nimrod” branded 22 ammo. It was sold at White Stores, and no telling how old it is. It came to me through an inheritance.
I don’t know about that but Thunderbolt has to be right there with it.
And that is for me the top of the crap list , with the Golden Bullit and previous RM. Stuff.
I always tell people to be extremely cautious of unfamiliar foreign brand/produced ammo of any caliber for all the reasons you’ve discussed. It may be great ammo at a bargain price, or it may be dangerously inconsistent and not always properly fire, eject, or fire accurately. It may even leave a bullet in the barrel causing a potential barrel ring or catastrophic failure. As there is potential for a bullet to be left in the barrel due to inconsistent priming and or powder charges with ammo from over seas, rapid fire of ammo that you are not familiar with raises the risk of injury and in my opinion should be avoided completely.
After shooting it CLEAN!
I remember the Winchester Wildcats that I got for $0.79/box back in the 80s were super nasty and I learned early on to hate dirty ammo. At least it fired every time, though.
There are some really poor ammo varieties out there.
I must have used nearly 10K rounds of the now discontinued Wildcat ammo.
I felt foolish when I saw how poorly it grouped and how well the much loved CCI Standard Velocity grouped.
I think it's the anti-corrosive coating on those steel casings that cause them to stick in the chamber.
I have a heap of steel case in .223 and .308 don't have any issue with them at all and find them accurate as well, just my two bobs worth !
My Jr. Ammo looked like they were coated in a Vaseline type substance.
I've shot a lot of 7.62x25, 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R steel cased ammo.
Even some U.S. WWII .45 ACP steel cased ammo.
No problems.
Klimovsk Junior steel cased .22: extraction problems.
Years ago I bought 2 cases of 6000 rounds ..thought I had struck a deal. I would hear occasionally an obvious low powered round and would always stop and check the barrel for obstructions. Never found any…then one day I was shooting my Iver Johnson Sealed Eight with I believe a 3 inch barrel. I thought I would run a cylinder full double action speed shooting. Everything seemed fine and as I was walking back to reload I saw something strange about the front sight! It was gone! The end of the barrel was split and the front sight was gone. Evidently one of the rounds lodged in the barrel and the next one took it out…all unknown by me!
I have a box of it that I bought years ago, I don't remember it to be terrible. I would love to see you test CCI green tag, an ammo I have never found to shoot well in my rifles.
With CCI ( which now is very expensive) I see a lot of issues with the rimfire. When turning the bullet it then finally fires.
Every rifle is different, a properly produced ammo that might shoot great in one rifle might not shoot good in another rifle. This particular ammo is poorly produced and unsafe
@@justacentrist4147 How much have you shot of it?
@Eric L I had one box of 50 rounds i got for 1$ at a gun show. The guy gave me all the warnings about it. I shot it out of an old cooey single shot. i only fired 25 rounds. I had 5 failures to fier, a few stuck casses, and it felt like the rounds had different pressures, and the groupings were not great. From what I understand, this russian steel cased stuff just dident age well. Iv shot alot of old ammerican and canadian made 22 ammo. My grandfather had stored well for years, and it all functioned well for the most part. As for CCI green tag. iv shot a few boxes of it through 2 of my rifles. One rifle liked it, my cooey single shot. And my old winchester shot ok groups with it .not stellar accuracy for the price of the ammo.
@@justacentrist4147 then it has gone down hill from when I bought my one box 20 years ago (about the time clinton stopped imports from China and russia filled the gap) I don't remember any missfires.
In the 1970's in Canada such ammo was available in wooden ammo crates. My father bought a crate of it since it was so cheap and immediately regretted it. Soon he disposed of it in disgust. I don't know if it was the same line of ammo as you have: it burned excessively dirty, stuck in the chamber, weren't very accurate, and about every fifth or sixth shot was a dud.
I use this amunition for long time in a TOZ 17. Also the brass case(yellow box). Have no complain in both. But, in other rifles i find percussion issues. IMO, I thing the iron is too hard.
You did better then i did with it. I bought two bricks of this stuff from a guy shortly after Sandy Hook when 22lr got so scarce. Out of two boxes i was un able to get any of it to fire. It had no priming compound. I gave the whole mess away and with verbal warning. Stay safe and happy shooting, thanks!
Post Sandy Hook as a real dark time for us all. My heart still goes out to the families of the victims. May God comfort them in his loving grace.
That's 80's fodder strait from the Kremlin. 😂
Good description. Wish I had thought of that when I made the video.
Imported about 25 years ago and sold dirt cheap, it was on par with all the other .99 cent a box 22 then available. I would expect some duds based on age and questionable storage conditions.
It won't cycle through my semi auto. I use it in a revolver. Found that if you get one that doesn't fire you can turn the round in the cylinder and try again.
That drawing of bird is Western capercaillie/Wood grouse.
In europe that is indeed very popular gamebird. Mostly because of its size and rarity to get one.
Black grouse is far more common and it will appear in flocks. Wood grouse is rare sight to spot before it will see you and fly away.
Usually hunted with dog which will first find its resting tree and keep its attention by barking and same time
hunter will approach silently as possible and hope bird doesnt smell that something is wrong.
Old males which have survived many years have usually learned to avoid dogs because that is bad sign
when one is barking at tree where you are sitting and will flee away fast as possible.
I remember while living in Germany that is saw some of them mounted as displays amongst other game animals such as pheasants, roe deer, red stag, wild boar, and others. I have always admired European game animals. Wish I could go hunting there.
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman In europe most typical hunt is focused to small game like birds, rabbits and roe deer.
Bigger four legged creatures usually needs party with permit if want to hunt them.
I cant say that im complaining how it feels to be in in hiding spot before sun rise to wait
black grouses to finally come as sun is rising.
Well autumm mornings can be a bit cold :D
Your friend told you right. It's total crap. I found a pile for sale online bout a decade ago for give-away prices, and ordered a few of bricks. I wasn't expecting much, and that's a good thing. Rounds were slathered in grease. Steel cases. Accuracy was non-existant. Each shot had a different level of sound. Some went Bang, some went Pop, and everything in between.. Empty brass jammed up. Some of the mlive rounds jammed. I firedm as much as I could, and gave plenty awy to un suspecting friends...(.while I still had them) No more "Junior" ammo for me!
I bought a case of that ammo(6000 rounds) fifteen plus years ago. It didn't fire well in semi auto rifle. I shoot it in revolvers only.
Had a brick of that stuff, what a mess cleaning up.
"The Rifleman's Guide to Rimfire Ammo" author felt like this was the worst as well.
I had a REMINGTON MODEL 552 SPEEDMASTER and was given an assortment of old 22 ammo, shorts, longs and long rifles as a teenager shortly after I got it. I don't know the age but I assume maybe 30 years. I remember one sounding like a squib load and I fired another round after it. Some10 years later, I noticed some accuracy problems with the gun and detected a loose spot in the bore and could see a slight bulge. I don't recall noticing it before or since the incident with the squib load. I really don't know when it happened. It could have been worse but it ruined the rifle which was my pride and joy. Is there a fix for such damage? Inserting a mandrel and hammering the bulge on the barrel?
Squib loads are bad news for any firearm. Some rifles rupture the barrel, some bulge the barrel (especially in .22's). You can either replace the barrel, or drill it out and install a new liner. This takes some gunsmithing skill, but it can be done for under $100 if you do it yourself. I repaired an old Remington model 12 barrel with a new liner last fall, and it works great. Brownell's has new liners for about $50, and you can drill out the barrel with a long 5/16th's drill, a .22 LR chamber reamer (which you can buy on ebay or borrow), and a vice. Slow and steady work gets the job done neatly. Here is a link to a video I posted when I restored that old .22 rifle. ruclips.net/video/y5F4u2FAbZc/видео.html
I recently purchased a Remington Golden Bullet Bucket O Bullets 22 Long Rifle 36gr …they don’t function well in either of my 10/22s (that usually eat anything) or my Colt 22 auto.
.22 LR "Junior" ammunition by Klimovsk Stamping Plant
I bought a brick of this two decades ago and the memory remains.
Steel cased .22 Long Rifle rimfire.
I thought that was the wierdest "running bird" art. Then I saw a large deailed version of that logo.
Turns out it's a bird sitting on a branch.
Every American .22 firearm I owned (designed and tested with brass cased .22 lr rf) had severe extraction problems with the Junior ammo. Had to use a cleaning rod down the muzzle to extract it from a Marlin M60.
The only gun I owned that worked with that steel cased stuff was a Romanian Patriot Guard M1969 Army Training rifle (bought surplus priced at $69).
I made a point of plinking my .22 Junior all up, ASAP, that summer and fall.
I am familiar with this type ammo. It is loaded with a very greasy lubricant. It does not store well and with a lot of time the powder and priming compound may get contaminated to various degrees by the grease. When it was 'fresh' 25-30 years ago it was an ok low velocity round intended for bolt action training rifles meant for indoor ranges used for paramilitary/militia training in russian shooting clubs. The chinese made similar ammo. I fired such in chinese JW-15 rifles without a major problem. The pressure of this ammo is quite low and sometimes some gas would leak out of the back of the action since pressure was not enough for the steel case to obturate the chamber.
I've had some for 30+ years shoots as good today as when new
@@porkypig8284 If it is stores where it is hot is more likely I think to cause that grease to migrate into the powder.
I have all 4 grades of Vostock brass cased ammo and it shoots as well as it did in 1989. It is coated with match grade lube and needs to be stored at reasonable temperatures.
@@0529mpb I do have some brass case .22 target grade rifle ammo that has a greasy lube on it. It was expensive wolf branded ammo that was made in germany. It was meant for manually operated guns.
I fooled with that a good while back and found it only suitable in a revolver and for target practice\plinking. It was the only kind available to me at the time. As an inexpensive revolver I suspect the tolerance on the bore diameter may be generous as I had no extraction issues. I did find an abnormal number if misfires\light primer strikes. Better then having no ammunition but not much.
The green box/green case is steel case and does stick A LOT. I hate it and have not shot any since i first bought a case back in the 90's. BUT the yellow box/brass case stuff (same brand) i bought five 2500 round cases in early 90's to shoot in a Norinco JW-15 bolt action 22. it gives 1 to 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards (depending on me and winds on any given day) in that rifle. However, that ammo only shoots well in the Norinco - it shoots like crap plinking ammo in all my other 22 rifles. On the other hand, any other 22 ammo from cheap plinking stuff to expensive target 22 ammo shoots like poorly in the Norinco rifle.
Yellow box is great in a bolt gun with a box magazine. It uses match lube. It was never intended to run accurately in any other action.
The extraction failures appear to be more of a gun problem than an ammo problem.
I bought 1000 rounds of this stuff about 30 years ago. I shot it in my 10-22 and it worked well. Accurate enough for my purposes. There was an inconsistency in the sound of the shots, but no squib loads. The .22 revolver I had at the time fired them okay but every round I fired through it stuck in the chamber. Coincidentally a few months ago I found 5 boxes that I had long since forgotten about. I shot one box through my old High Standard double nine and they worked just fine. Some sounded lighter than others, but not many. I am not going to shoot them through my rifle because a longer barrel makes a squib load much more likely. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot them in my revolver.
When that ammo was common, I used to shoot a lot of it. Not out of anything semi-auto, but I have a WW2 vintage Stevens 416T that shot it very well. I had better results with the groups, but that likely has more to do with the longer and heavier barrel on the Stevens. It is "messy" due to the external lube, but other than that, I do not remember ever having serious issues with it. I can say that it did not play well with any of my semi-auto .22's, rarely cycling more than three or four sequential shots before suffering a FTE.
The worst ammo I have ever come across is RWS Z LANG , I got it to shoot small vermin in my garden, I tried sighting it in at 15 metres , shotgun patron, some fell to the ground before reaching the target. Cheers from Ireland, keep up the good work.
Back in 89 I bought an ammo can of the stuff from The Sportsman's Guide. Was super cheap. Had a little Daisy bolt gun that I tried to run it in. Stuck in mine too. Had to use a rod and a small hammer to get the case out. 3 in a row and I was done. At the time i attributesd the problem to a combination of the steel case and a new rough chamber. I also didn't like the cosmoline like smutz that its coated in. Also noticed the slugs seemed loose. The rest of it is still sitting in the can in the garage.
A bulk box of federal is the worst I've ever used. The variation in the sound from one round to the next was astonishing. It grouped better than I expected but was still appalling. I've heard bulk Remington is garbage as well.
Was wondering about firing pin performance used on a rim fire steel case
Good catch didn't even think about that.
08:00 I had the same thing happen years ago. Made in Mexico .22 shorts branded & sold under the Smith & Wesson label. A nearly new Marlin 39 golden was the rifle. Every shot blew back particles into my face. Particles were unburned powder (I believe) mostly black with some yellow particles. Glad I was wearing glasses.
This was circa 1980 and I'd run thousands of .22 LR and some shorts through a variety of guns. It was all US made ammo of all brands. Never once had .22 ammo blow crap back through the action. The Marlin 39 was very tightly fitted so getting that much junk forced out the back was quite a feat of Mexican engineering.
Smith & Wesson also sold centerfire rifle ammo in common calibers in clear plastic 10 packs. I had 30-30, 308 and 30-06 and can say it took the trophy as the worst centerfire ammo I've ever used. The cases were so soft the rims would be dented up right from the box. Good for one reload then trash can. It was made in Mexico also.
Somehow I knew when I saw the title that this was going to be the junior 22lr ammo. I traded a buck knife for about 300 rounds of 22lr. 2 boxes of it was this exact ammo. I never fired it, but I've heard it was the worst ammo ever made.
Best I can figure about the gas blow back is because steel does not expand as well as brass, thereby not sealing the chamber when the round is fired. Brass is softer than steel. I would be concerned about the firing pin being damaged striking a steel cartridge.
Tony V Both very good points to take into consideration!
I would question also what the steel case would do to the firing pin.
I’ve had just as bad out of Remington thunderbolt and standard Winchester brand at least back in 2008-10.
There has been some shoddy ammo manufactured here in the US. I guess you get what you pay for. Then again, ammo prices are higher than ever no matter what you buy.
Thunderbolt, Golden Bullit and the RMC + Winchester-22 never ever get close to any gun I own anymore.
I tested LVE .22's on my channel. I had issues with it as well.
I have shot a lot of this. The extraction issues can be resolved by putting a light covering of oil on the cases. I would grab a handful, then put a few drops of gun oil on the pile and just roll then around. After that they do just fine.
That brought back memories from the 90's. I liked the first batch as it was subsonic but it was dirtier than most other ammo. The second batch was horrible, misfires and the cases didn't seem to be uniform dimensions. I gave the rest away long ago.
You should do some 17hmr vids
Surprised you would use "questionable" ammo in one of your favorite rifles ? I consider this a Public Service announcement . I bought some of this approximately 10 years ago , and agree that it is terrible . Dirty , inconsistent , inaccurate , and had a couple split cases . Still have 42 cartridges that I will NEVER use again , and the box is marked NO so nobody else might unknowingly use it .
Always enjoy your videos , and thank you for educating the Rimfire Fanatic Community .
I thought the same thing but then realized he was shooting the 511 rather than one of his 581s.
I’ve never tried Junior and thank you CO for the public service announcement. I recently bought 2 boxes of 50 MAGTECH 22 ammo for $4.99 a box. I thought I had a bargain. Very erratic firing. Some hot, some doubtful the bullet made it through the barrel, some total duds that didn’t fire. Very smokey too. Anyone experience this with MAGTECH 22 ammo? I’ve heard MAGTECH center fire ammo is decent.
Indeed the worst. I had some of that crap 20+ years ago. It was the worst ever. All of the problems you mentioned and variances in power from weak to super hot. If you check the bullet diameter its all over the place too. The only way it could be a good target ammo would be to use it as a target. I had bought a brick of it. Just for fun i finally threw about 400 rounds in the campfire one night.
Oh man! Didn't it explode?
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman yep. Like firecracker going off. Was just to have fun with it. The bullets dont go anywhere. Just the cases and they are harmless pretty much. Was a hold my beer kinda thing. Just walked up to the fire n told everybody how bad the ammo was n threw it on the fire so everybody got back. They all complained that they would have shot it but i had knocked three bullets out of my 10/22 barrel. Gotta have fun where we can.
I bought a brick back in the 90's I fired about 10 rounds of it and no two of them sounded the same. Haven’t touched it since. But I do still have it.
Another awesome video Mr CO !!! Thanks for sharing the info. Take care and stay safe !!! 😁🇺🇸😁🇺🇸
Thanks. God Bless!
Well, We got stuck with two pallets of the stuff. We literally ended up giving it away with new gun purchases. On average it had a 20% failure to fire rate.. But in saying that, two years ago we got a pallet of CCI Standard that had a 20% either wouldnt go off or would lodge a projectile about a inch up the barrel.
Recently I have had a few CCI Standard Vel. fail to fire as well.
I also just bought a whole lot of cci standard vel for my model 41 that is awful!!! The best I have found is eley contact. For that pistol
@@darronmiller9126 Our issues is, we usually but 250,000 rounds at a time.. And being Australia.. Pretty hard to return the stuff.. We reported batch numbers etc to CCI..
Was given 4 boxes of this stuff many many years ago. It all shot ok but did wind up with numerous failures to eject. I think that was due to the VERY heavy coating of goof (wax?) all over it. This stuff must have served as a lube & rust preventive…just a guess tho.
Steel doesn't obturate. Thats why they get stuck. In the old days, all 22lr ammo was waxed it served 3 purposes. #1 Waterproofing, #2 reduces fouling and keeps it soft, #3 helps with extraction. Lots of modern match grade 22 ammo is still lubricated today. As a side note, if you have a really old 22LR semi-auto that has issues with cycalimg ammo, try lubricating the cartridges. A lot of those old 22 semi autos were built to run waxed cartriges
Seems like a steel .22 case would not obturate properly, being stronger than brass, and have blowback.
Even howitzers use brass cases.
It definately doesn't in 7.62x39 so I doubt it would in .22lr. When I put Chinese surplus copperwash through my ruger american you can see signs of blowby on the neck.
The steel case may not be expanding enough to seal of the gas causing blowing by
My Daddy took me and my older sister when I was 3 1/2 and she was 7 1/2 to learn to shoot his Mossberg Model 37(b) bolt-action rifle I still own. He and Momma always used Remington Hi-Speed brass-washed bullets (Kleen-Bore) and that's what 99.9% of what I've put down it have been. I've used some CCI "Stingers" on grey squirrels, but the Remington's thru the eye do fine. I envy your very nice scope! I haven't found a nice 2 1/2X or 4X scope for a .22 that doesn't cost what a 'fridge does! The Mossberg has the factory peep-sight and my 70 year-old eyes don't like well at the indoor range...
That would probably be a good plinking ammo in a break action such as a Handi rifle. It would be easier to extract and inspect the barrel.
I’ve seen ammo from several unknown companies over the last year or so and have been tempted to try them. I’m teaching my 9 yr old Granddaughter to shoot and I stuck with CCI because I didn’t want her to loose interest in it if it became a chore dealing with misfires and stuck cases. I’m in South Middle Tennessee, straight below you. Have you seen the new ammo on shelves lately in the orange boxes called Tennessee something or other but it’s apparently made here. I’ve seen it showing up in all the stores around me lately. It was the only .380acp on the shelves for a long time!
The steel case may not be expanding well to seal the chamber. Probably would be very dirty.
BILL S Good point!
Steel on steel needs more lube than steel on brass. That is the reason the first couple of rounds stuck after firing.once the case lube slicked up your chamber, you was good to go. I personally love the Russian ammo for .22. Especially the Green Box "Surok" labeled Hollow Points. That is some of the hardest hitting .22lr I have ever fired. The hollow cavity in the bullet is huge .
I've had some of this ammo for about 30 years. I don't shoot it much due to feeding/extraction problems.
Thanks for this informative video. If I encounter any of it, I’ll save my money for ammo I know and trust.
Good decision.
The packaging tells all you need to know
Sorry if this was addressed by anyone else in regards to those initial few sticking cases. I've used a number of older, .22LR box magazine repeaters and every one of them would occasionally exhibit that same failure to extract when rounds were single-loaded in that manner, regardless of ammo brand. The only way I could get reliable extraction was to load that single round using the magazine. Could that have been the cause?
Not sure, but all the rest of the rounds came out easily. I personally think that as I fed the ammo into the chamber, some of the bullet lube was deposited into the chamber walls, and actually lubricated the following round. Just an observation on my part.
You should have shot that stuff through a chronograph to see how much deviation there was between bullets.
May be that the steel case just doesn't expand enough to seal the gas., but does enough to be sticky.
This has been a public service announcement.👍🇺🇸✌🏻🙏🏽
I bought a brick of it for dirt cheap from a farm store years ago. It is the only ammo I ever threw away.
I wonder if the Russians are sloppy with their tolerances. Some of the steel cases maybe a little over size and bind in the chamber while some are undersized and allow blow by. The powder charges may have a similarly wide tolerance?
Yes the sound difference was very well catched on camera. Funny to see.
I have some of the junior ammo. One phrase 'dirty crap". Leaves a lot of debris behind. Clean, clean and clean again. Solid primer hits , many duds.
I split a case of this crap with a buddy back in the late '90's. I tried it in a semi auto, wouldn't cycle. In a revolver, just a mess. Misfires, squibs, and at best, filthy.
They seem to be a step above in reliability compared to the garbage that Winchester puts out.
Thanks for the video! I have two box's of this stuff in .22LR that I was given. Collector's item? I have no idea, but it sounds good to me!
I bought a brick of it back in the late '90s. The most inconsistent ammo I've ever tried. Either way hot or barely made any noise.
sorta like remington golden bullets
This is what those walmart crickets are good for testing.
I struck a snag with 22 rimfire ammo from amscor the Philippine manufacturer. It was stripping the jacket off some rounds in the breech of a CZ. However to be fair it appeared to only restricted to one box in the brick
Amscor… I went to their shooting range in Cebu March 2024. Nice shop, welcoming people. But…” sorry Sir, no shooting, the range burned down”
Really! Behind the door were the black remnants of the best shooting range of the entire island.
That is not bullet lube. That is a form of some kind of cosmoline /wax compound to keep the cases from rusting . The stuff is complete junk. Bought a case of that stuff in the early or mid 90's and it was horrible then. I could not give it away and eventually dumped them in a burn barrel to dispose of.
Winchester Expiditers are very good. Cost a bit more, but worth the higher price.
Nice old 511!!!
I've never used this .22 ammo but I have used Winchester black box M22 ammo and found it to be very lacking. At least 40% would not go in the cylinder of my S&W Model 17 and about 40% would go in if forced. I didn't force as it wasn't worth it. I could shoot it in my Marlin .22 rifle but in my High Standard .22 auto I'd have very frequent jams where a case was stuck partially out of the chamber failing to extract or would stovepipe.
As to steel cased ammo, I have shot a few boxes of Tulammo (steel Russian) .45 and it beat the ejector on my .45 up really badly, enough I had to remove it and straighten and debur it. It seemed like cheap range ammo when I bought it but after the damage, it really wasn't worth it. I was able to salvage the ejector but if I had to replace it, it would have offset the "savings" of the cheap ammo.
Best removal tool is a paint can opener from the hardware store
I have an occasional gas blow back useing cci shorts too
Thanks for sharing
Very interesting
Never seen this type of ammunition.
I bought some Winchester bulk 22 ammo, lot of dead rounds, and poor accuracy
Winchester M22 black box is what I had issues with. About 3/4 would not fit in the cylinder of my S&W Model 17. I had about a third not fit in a Springfield Model 15, and those old guns would shoot anything. About a third would stovepipe in my .22 auto. The only thing they would shoot in was my .22 lever rifle. thinking it was just the box I got, I have talked to others at the range who had similar experiences. Not fitting in their revolvers, and poor performance in their semi-auto pistols.
If it's steel , then the ammo will leave heavy residue. Had it and would only work on bolt action rifles.
A single-shot bolt action is almost the simplest technical environment for a cartridge, with the possible exception of a revolver. If it varies as badly as it sounds, that would not do well in a semi-automatic (pistol or reifle).
I have 2 fine CZ ( 455-453) and an excellent Anschutz 1416.
I have tried cheap WW and Federal bulk ammo, but get occasional misfires.
Tried CCI minimags and never had to look back. Used it on thousands of gophers.
I rather pay a tad extra and get quality without problems.
Heck. I bought some "Browning" .22 lr made by Winchester that the bullets were out of spec and would not chamber in any of my semi autos. They did work in my bolt gun. I tried calling Browning and the only number I could find was for their Hazmat info. Never going to buy any more Browning.
Yeah it seems to have exact same ballistics as one of the Winchester 22lr loads. It's much more money than even minimags here which is ridiculous
I bought some Winchester steel case 9mm that is god-awful. It has some sort of coating on it that makes the bullets stick to each other in magazines.
All I hvae to say is this. ''IF TOM SAYS IT IS IT IS'' I Truly believe this man.
You have more faith in me than I do or actually deserve, but I certainly appreciate it.
I saw a video years ago about this ammo. And they recommended that you put a drop of oil on the casing . I don't know how many rounds you can shoot before putting another 😢drop of oil on a casing. And I wish you would have used an semiautomatic to see if they would cycle the action. I have a shit load of this ammo that I bought in the mid 90's but have never fired a round. I was told it was good ammo and used by the Russian Olympic games.
It appears you have green boxes and steel cases. In the early 90's I shot thousands of rounds of that Russian made standard velocity Junior ammo from yellow boxes and having brass cases. Never any problems with it. Still have some bought back then that I shoot occasionally. It may be old, but it shoots as good as it did 30+ years ago. Being standard velocity, don't expect it to be reliable in semi-auto rifles; however, I shot many pistol matches using it in High Standard and S&W semi-auto pistols.
Great video. You had better luck than I did with the Russian Jr 22 lr ammo.
Usually when a group is strung vertically like that, it is a result of uneven breathing while shooting. Considering the early problems, you had a right to be breathing heavy. I would be.
I wouldn't risk that extractor on my prized Remington with that steel cased garbage.
I have a box of that ammo in my safe. I have not ever shot any of it.
That ammo is made by a company called Vostock. I have some from the late 1980's or early 1990's. In a surplus Baikal .22 LR it shoots very well with less than 1/2 inch groups if conditions are right. I never had any problem with corrosion with that ammo. The lubricant is very greasy, I learned to not shoot it when the temperature is too warm, like over 70 degrees.
I never had any problem with shooting Vostock .22 LR in any bolt gun. I stopped shooting it in my Stevens 1915 Favorite due to the apparent lack of sealing, probably because of the steel cases. I also have some Vostock .22 LR in brass cases that do not have that problem.
I did have failure to fire problems with this ammo in a Heritage Rough Rider .22 LR revolver. That firearm is the only one I have had a .22 LR squib in also. That was Winchester Western ammo. The pop, when discharged, was greatly different and I saw the bullet as it flew to the target 10 yards away!!! After shooting a couple of bricks of the Vostok ammo, I have had no squibs.
I still have several rounds of the brass juniors they always shot great in bolt guns being subsonic they will never shoot good in a semi auto
Yes. Brass Junior was about the equivalent of CCI standard. The Vostock Olympik with the dimple in the center was outperforming Eley Tenex. There were 2 grades in between that also shot exceptionally well. One was in a pink box. The level above that was in a white box.
I still have some donated Vostok. The rim is not flush but tapered on the edges. They shoot okay.