Suave and brooding are way less attractive than honest, cute and dorky. There's nothing more attractive than someone being themself, even (especially) if they stumble here and there
@@christinesarkis4029 Because the taming of a wild, dangerous, or brooding man into a gentleman and lover is the ultimate female power fantasy. It's kinda related to how many girls like horses growing up.
@@JennaMoreci I read it on your desk, "Thursday morning, get up (damn it) hair appointment! Thursday afternoon, film video for youtube" Girls are jelly of your awesome good looks. Hair and wardrobe, she's got it all going on. Don't let her fool you: she's a writer, and this is the edited version. For most of the week she's in sweat pants and a tee shirt, hair pulled out of her face but not combed, and coffee is a major food group. Don't get me wrong; she cleans up good! but her visual presentation is for the video. She thrives because her mental prowess is awesome. the visual is just a part time perk.
@@JennaMoreci you know how easily a ten minute break turns into a twenty minute break, then a thirty minute break... Then your publisher calls you because your three years late to your deadline
Fake dating almost always turns into real dating, which makes it predictable. Just once, I'd like to see it end with "Okay. It's over. Let's never speak of this again."
Which I did in the last book I wrote. (Still in editing.) I like to to the shit like that that you don't see. :D Adulterers who end up being the good guys, irredeemable assholes who end up being victims who are more than redeemed, people sleeping around, things heading to what looks like an HEA until it's yanked away and it ends with someone else, etc. Just because they're things you don't see aren't aren't supposed to be doable.
There's a manga like that, the main character and his best friend fake date around his stalker because she'll accept it if he's dating another guy, girl and she goes yandere
Don't forget the hecking Princess Bride one!! That's my favorite movie, so when she said "He's the pirate everyone thought was dead!" I almost started ScReAmiNG
Jay Ferguson I’m glad that someone posted that! It rarely gets any better than that! And I don’t care how much I’ve seen and heard that scene - it was the utter best thing! It makes me go all ahhhhhhhhh and squidgey. That ad lib was pure gold!
Best thing is that one is ENTIRELY on Harrison Ford. George Lucas kinda overdid it, Harrison wasn't on board of it, because it didn't fit Han. George supposedly FLIPPED when he saw what Harrison came up. But love how Leya flipped it in episode 6
a perfect first kiss can be perfectly adorable but if i'm being honest I more prefer to see a mess of a first kiss where maybe they accidentally knock teeth and one of them starts laughing because of it. especially if they characters are young and its not only the first kiss as a couple, but an actual first kiss.
Fun story: My mom was dating a guy that asked her (very sweetly) if he could kiss her at the end of their first date. He’s my dad, and they’ve been married for 25 years now!
My favorite troupe is when character A is injured and character B is patching up their wounds and character A feels a bit of pain and then character B is like ‘stay still’ and they share a look™️ and suddenly there’s a lot of sexual tension.
Jenna: "I want to get to that part and either scream into my hands or flail." I'm literally flailing just listening to these tropes. C'mon writers! Let's make them happen!
Yeah. I like how she described it as not trying to kill each other at first, but maybe a rivalry or just starting off disliking hating each other. I've heard this trope called belligerent sexual tension.
The enemies to lovers trope, at least the ones I’ve read, are done badly more often than not. In the glass storyline of the soulfinder series the main character literally falls for a guy who tortured her as a 12 year old, impersonated her boyfriend, led her into a trap, tortured her more as an adult, and is an actual criminal who spent time in prison. And she falls for him. Literally adopts two kids with him. All because he told her he cared for her. What makes it worse is that the character literally had another dude who was more emotionally stable, cared for her, had a good stable(ish) life already set up for him, their magic literally went together. Yet she still falls for the douchebag criminal because he says he’s not a douchebag anymore. Look, I’m not too picky, I’ll buy the guy’s redemption, but for God’s sake keep Opal away from him.
Pisces it probably is what happened, but the writer tries to pass it off as a function, romantic relationship. I wouldn’t mind this nearly as much if it was treated as Stockholm syndrome, but it’s not, it’s treated as if Opal fell in love with her tormentor and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
😂 When talking about the Rivals to Lovers, it reminded me of a superhero story I was just drawing. The villain became the villain because she's in love with the hero & wanted his attention. And it worked! Cause they ended up getting together. The drama is his teammates not approving & his ex gets jealous.
Reminds of a manga, i can't remember it's name since it's been too longue, but the main villain became evil so that she can get the attention of the local super hero who she's madly in love with. The difference is that the super hero has a high moral code and refuses to have a relationship with a villain, and he's mostly just really annoyed by her, even if we see in a chapter that if she wan't a villain he wouldn't really mind going out with her.
@@yperez5129 the name is Zannen Jokanbu Black General-san. I rememberd the premise a bit wrong, she didn't become evil to get close to him but she fell for him while they were fighting.
I’m writing a story and one of the protagonist’s best friends turns out to be the villain. I’m still trying to decide on which kind of villain she’ll be but one thing I’m considering is that she’s in love with the protagonist but she’s being forced to kill her because her family is being imprisoned and tortured and they’ll be murdered unless she kills ya girl. It’s just an idea though
I raise you one: friends to enemies to lovers - a deep friendship fractured by deep internal conflict in both characters for them to oppose one another leading up to the slow rebuild of their relationship over time as they grow and become better versions of themselves. And oh my god the pining
Another thing I love about flipping common cliches on their head is doing it with LGBT relationships that usually never get those types of stories written about them even though the tropes are played to death with straight pairings. Makes the tropes fresh and it makes me happy.
To go with your love of awkwardness and mishaps in romance: so my current boyfriend and I had been obviously sweet on each other for months (well, obvious to everyone but each other) and when I had finally decided to ask him out, our mutual friend told me to hold off (she didn't say at the time but it was because he had also decided to ask me out the same day). The day that was all supposed to go down, I was heading downstairs to do laundry because I lived in a dorm hall and I run into him on the stairs. He looks up, sees me, goes to say something but trips over his words, and then trips up the stairs because he is so distracted. He says he was so focused on rehearsing in his head what he was going to say to ask me out that seeing me completely short circuited his brain.
“I love you” he sobbed “I-I-I love you” he continued to sob, tears running down his face She was covered in blood and the ruins were in ruins. Her hair clumped together with thick blood as she too had silent tears running down her face. She reached up, her hand cupping his face. He leaned into it letting another sob leave his mouth. Calling for help was futile, no one was left in this realm of existence. As her hand began to drop he leaned down to kiss her. Her half lidded eyes closed enjoying her last kiss. He pulled back, connecting their foreheads. More sobs left his mouth as he realised that her eyes didn’t open. He fumbled with her and checked her pulse in a hurry and when he realised there was none he lost it. Tears ran down his face, he let out wails and sobs that only could be described as his heart being torn in half. He dragged her close to him. With her in his arms he wailed out even more her cuddled close to his chest.
I love when characters kinda half mindedly say love you like when hanging up the phone, then they realize it and the other character says it back but like full force *I love you too* because its awwwww-kward Also, when the whole consent for kisses or whatever, I love when one just kinda says the person's name with kinda like a question in their tone and the other one just nods or says okay or yes or ANYTHING. Frickin love
Hellooooo Jenna, i would love you to do a "best villain tropes" or how to create a good villain and basically everything related to villain. That would be a blast 🤩
@@ManiaMac1613 Not sure if root for are the words... but rather can understand him\her. I can't root for people who want to kill people because their wife was killed.
In my high-school AU for a storyline, there is a couple like this, A reporter for the Yearbook, assigned apprenticeship to the main character's love interest, is 6'5" and can be scary, his girlfriend is 5'0" and very cuddly with him.
I like (and am writing a book) where a villains assistant or lackey betrays their boss and joins the hero, and the slowly fall for each other. Is it just me?
My favorite romance trope: couples who’ve been together for a long time but flirt like it’s there first date (cute if it’s romantic, even cuter if it’s cheesy)
Hahah well, these can also work very well in establishing great platonic friendships (minus the intimate stuff) Haven't seen the show, but I love the way Crowley and Aziraphale act together in the book! You can tell that they have a really long history of knowing each other and its wonderful
I'm just really happy with what you said about the Enemies to Lovers trope, Jenna. I've often felt really out of place in feeling the same way. I don't mind the bickering rivals version! The Elizabeth/Darcy or Han/Leia types are fine! But when the dude has constantly been trying to murder our heroine, or is complicit in/wants to commit genocide, or has murdered children who trusted him... I can literally hear the brakes screeching in my head. It goes back to watching Xena for me as a pre-teen. I always felt really, really uncomfortable with Xena/Ares and it's never gone away, and then new romance/possible romance 'ships of the same type (though often with villains who've done worse than what Ares did) come along in fiction and I'm just... nope-ing right out like that octopus gif. Because it does ultimately feel abusive.
Your advice is helping me so much. Like making the love interest have their own life. After I watched the video that said that, I went back and came up with a second cast for my male one and gave him his own drama. You are a wonderful, helpful lady
I have been trying to figure out how my two partners (the love interest and main character) are going to really interact and how one of them would act in lovey dovey situations and this gave me so many ideas!! I am so excited to actually write it now that I got it! Yesss! Thank you, Jenna. I appreciate your existence lol
All of these made me smile so much! Romance is what I read for!!! Sci-Fi, mystery, historical, fantasy, I want romance in it all! Equal opportunity sexiness!!
Made me super happy about the first trope because is the main conflict of the couple in my novel: they can't be together because they even can't touch each other, one is a Death's servant, a soul collecter, and the other is an immortal girl who can see creatures that no one can. Immortality is supposed to be unnatural and immortals are rejected by Death's servants because of that, besides, the servants feel affection for someone is supposed to be forbidden. It's a dark fantasy romance and this video made me want to continue the story, thank you so much.
Jenna is my favorite human and probably the only person I’ll deliberately stop writing while encountering a problem and going “I wonder if Jenna has a video on this...”. I’ve never had that reaction with any other writing RUclipsr literally ever. So helpful and funny, she can capture anybody’s attention and she never seems to sound like she’s droning, and this video is a great example of it.
Anyone ever wrote 2 characters that you werent planning on being together but then you realize that they would make the best couple and start shipping them?
I also enjoy and love the romance genre but it has to have something creative, interesting or unique going on for it, other than the cliches. And yea I don't have a fav romantic trope I think, might prefer some tropes more than others tho, like guy hopelessly fazed, giddy, kilig, obsessed, in love with the girl and she reciprocates, just cuz a guy like that to an extent that you're attracted to in real life is so attractive, just mutual feelings and show of interest y'know. #4 "Can I?" - sweet/romantic 😳😳🤝🏻 or sexy/irreverent 🔥🔥🔥 #5 Awkwardness #7 "I love you‼️" - the dramatic proclamation of love #8 Snuggle up, Buttercup #10 Power couples - Syaoran x Sakura, esp. in animes, video games
Jenna: We already know enthusiastic consent is a mandatory staple of every healthy relationship, (angrily) RIGHT? 90% of romance writers, especially on Ao3 and wattpad: (sweats nervously)
Two words: Childhood. Friends. That's my personal favorite romance trope in fiction. Ever since I was little, I loved the trope of those two people who knew each other since they were pretty much babies and either basically instantly fell in love or slowly, over the course of growing up, realized they were in love. Kim and Ron? Love 'em. _Hermione_ and Ron? Love 'em. Jacuzzi and Nice (from an anime called Baccano)? Love 'em! Masaomi and Mikado? REALLY love 'em! That brings me to another, even better aspect to this trope: Somehow I love this trope even better when it's gay. Two dudes, friends since their toddler years, growing up together and one day just looking at each other and thinking, separately to themselves "Oh god...I think I'm in love with him..." and the ensuing awkwardness and nervousness between them as they stumble through their feelings. I like it with lesbians too (really, I'll eat up the Childhood Friend Romance trope no matter who it involves), but as a bisexual dude who's more into other dudes, I just find the adorable and relatable awkwardness of two gay guys who were best friends all their lives mutually becoming each other's gay awakening to be completely irresistible. Like, I'm just sitting here like "THEY'RE LITERALLY BEST FRIENDS! THEY'RE ALREADY PERFECT FOR EACH OTHER!"
I don't like romance as a main genre, but I love myself a good romantic subplot. So yeah, power couples are awesome! Especially battle couples. There's nothing more awesome than watching/reading two lovers kick ass side by side, having each other's backs and competely trusting in one another!
On the subject of awkward or fumbling romances,have you ever seen the show Firefly? It's an incredible show and I could talk about for a long time,but specifically the romance between fancy doctor Simon and dirty adorable mechanic Kayled,I think you'd adore it. Simon is so awkward and says the wrong things that make Kaylee storm off in a huff;it's adorable.
Yohannai the female version of cock blocking. Beaver is used as a crude metaphor to refer to a ladies vagina. So Beaver damming would be the female equivalent of cock blocking.
On #7: one of my TTRPG characters has been mute his entire life, his artificer friend makes him a magic amulet that allows him to speak while wearing it. Know what the first thing is he uses this newfound voice for? He finds the woman he's been dating for years now and he simply says "I love you". He'd been using telepathy to communicate with her up to this point, so he's expressed the sentiment before, but this is him actually saying it out loud for the first time. This is the very first thing he does with a new voice. Is that a dramatic proclamation of love?
'Aziraphale held out his hand. [...] Crowley took it.' - Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophesies of Agnes Nutter, Witch, Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman
1 Having to overcome obstacles make it harder to take things for granted. 4 "Can I?" is so sweet, I agree. 5 Laughing at awkward situations is good for you ... I think. 10 Helping each other hrow and "being more than the sum of parts" is alot of what relationships are about.
amazing video! my personal favorite trope though is just the pining for each other, good-natured whole-hearted pining filled with lovelorn gazing and chest aching and fluttering touches, that’s my shit. Reading about characters suffering over the profundity of their love for another person and then finding out their feelings are reciprocated after long months/years of suffering is everything i want in life
This is my favourite channel. I've watched many videos of what to do and what not to do but i get bored but Jenna not only teaches me something new but she makes me laugh whilst doing it.
Oh, you would love my MCs' romance. A (female) spy from Small Kingdom falls in love with a princess from Big Empire. The best part? Big Empire has opressed Small Kingdom for decades now and the two nations are on the verge of war.
These are all awesome tropes that any author would be lucky to have in his or her novel. One trope I want to add for myself is the kind of romance with a shy protagonist. I always get nervous around flirtatious women, so to see my kind represented in fiction is a plus for me. Great video as always, Jenna! You make Wednesdays worthwhile. ^_^
Alright, Y’Know how people always right those comments like “I was about to do such and such and then I saw Jenna had uploaded and was like Nevermind? I never liked those comments very much but... I was about to go roleplay when I saw Jenna had uploaded and I was Nevermind! Edit: Also when I saw this I was like “Yep, Forbidden Romance.” Then Jenna confirmed it... Yeah.
I’m just writing for fun. I’m not good enough to write something publishable but I’m imaginative and writing novels is my outlet. You inspire me so much to keep going and you’re funny 😂 thank you!
I love all of these oh my gosh!!! Forced proximity, fake dating, enemies to lovers... and who DOESN’T love a declaration of love, big or small? This made me smile, thanks for sharing! 😃
Bell ringed! Honestly your tropes and advices as well as listening to lores about George RR Martin's and Tolkien's worlds are making my writer's block go away. I finally started being ok with my ideas and even liking them! I made my first notes about a story in years (I was a passionate writer back then) and I am startin to be excited about writing! thank you, if I ever become a rich writers I'll buy you like 100 liters of wine
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"yes my children, get close"
"Tickle each others' Pikachu"
I choked.
noooo don't die!
Not before I mail my book to you in a few years from now. Not even then cuz it's a series. And then another series.
M Hashmi+ She is speaking the language of the gods
My wife is going to hate this because I’m going to start saying it.
lol.
#10.5 - Villain Couples who do cute couple things when they're not doing evil villain things.
Can't they do cute evil villain things?
Love this
Sure you have to kill Lord Villain, but it'll devastate his wife, Alsoa Villain. And what about their poor daughter, Nota Villain!
@@kameronjohnson3888 Pretty sure this was a plot to a Powerpuff Girls episode.
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Random dude in Romance Novel to love interest: "Can I?"
Jenna: "oF CouRse YoU caN You prEcioUs CinNAmOn RoLL!!"
Inexperienced Guy to Assertive Gal , "May I kiss you?"
Assertive Gal playfully gestures to come forward "get over here lover boy."
That's my new favourite saying
Any time someone says that in a book now, I say that. 😂 It's so cute.
It’s more adorable than the rest of the cuteness in the universe combined
uuhhmm *Peter Parker*
The happiness in Jenna’s eyes while saying “extreme conflict” is the kind of irony I never knew I needed.
Same
Lol! Jenna is the best
1:57
2:09 turn on coalitions it says “hair penis” instead of happiness
Captions*
"can i kiss you?"
"cAn YoU?"
"suddenly i don't want to."
This would literally be me though
“Can I kiss you?”
“I don’t know cAn YoU?”
“This is why I hate teachers”
*proceeds to yank on their collar and kiss the heck out of them
"Well too bad, I want to."
I love fake dating and the "oh no there is only one bed" trope. I don't care how cliche they are, I'll never get tired of them.
Alana Crail YES.
\(☆_☆)/ *YES*
Love the one bed thing too 😂😂
YES. ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A GAY COUPLE.
@@venisquxxr8214 yyyyyyeeeessssss I completely agree
I hate the cliché that male love interests have to be suave and brooding. How about some cute dorky guys?
Suave and brooding are way less attractive than honest, cute and dorky. There's nothing more attractive than someone being themself, even (especially) if they stumble here and there
I can't stand brooding Byronic hero love interests. I'll never understand why they're so popular.
Yess! One of my OC's crush is super cute and nerdy!
Kimi FW
we have that in manga
@@christinesarkis4029 Because the taming of a wild, dangerous, or brooding man into a gentleman and lover is the ultimate female power fantasy.
It's kinda related to how many girls like horses growing up.
“Tickle each other’s pickachu...”
Someone HAS to put this on a shirt. Now.
I wish I could steal this line and use it in one of my stories.
@@mrandisg you could always go with "tickle your wookie"
@@rayraffiki1856 😂😂😂😂😂
lool
Oh my God! That was the best part!😂😂😂
Jenna really has never had a bad hair day
LOL I just strategically film on good hair days ;)
Writing with Jenna Moreci Wait you’ve had bad hair days? I don’t think I’ve ever had a good one 😂😂😂
Well, Hades never has a bad hair day cuz his hair is flaming hot.
@@JennaMoreci I read it on your desk, "Thursday morning, get up (damn it) hair appointment! Thursday afternoon, film video for youtube" Girls are jelly of your awesome good looks. Hair and wardrobe, she's got it all going on.
Don't let her fool you: she's a writer, and this is the edited version. For most of the week she's in sweat pants and a tee shirt, hair pulled out of her face but not combed, and coffee is a major food group. Don't get me wrong; she cleans up good! but her visual presentation is for the video. She thrives because her mental prowess is awesome. the visual is just a part time perk.
Damn it, Jenna. I was trying to write but who cares. I need to know all about your favorite tropes
LOL! A 10 min break won't hurt :P
@@JennaMoreci true
LOL same!
@@JennaMoreci you know how easily a ten minute break turns into a twenty minute break, then a thirty minute break... Then your publisher calls you because your three years late to your deadline
@@JennaMoreci 10:00 exactly.
Fake dating almost always turns into real dating, which makes it predictable. Just once, I'd like to see it end with "Okay. It's over. Let's never speak of this again."
yas queen
Which I did in the last book I wrote. (Still in editing.) I like to to the shit like that that you don't see. :D Adulterers who end up being the good guys, irredeemable assholes who end up being victims who are more than redeemed, people sleeping around, things heading to what looks like an HEA until it's yanked away and it ends with someone else, etc. Just because they're things you don't see aren't aren't supposed to be doable.
There's a manga like that, the main character and his best friend fake date around his stalker because she'll accept it if he's dating another guy, girl and she goes yandere
Wolven Dragon What manga is that? Sounds interesting.
@@tomhannah3825 it's an older series, Princess Princess. The anime took it in a bit of a different direction.
Guy seductively asks "can I?"
Girl answers " idk cAn YOu?"
James Mcd+ “This is what I get for dating a teacher.”
Mason R. Powers hol' up
@@masonr.powers7196 Wait a damn minute-
1) beaver dammed
2) tickle their pikachus
3) Captain Planet reference
This video was 1000% quality content, Jenna, thank you.
LOLOL thank you!!!
Don't forget the hecking Princess Bride one!! That's my favorite movie, so when she said "He's the pirate everyone thought was dead!" I almost started ScReAmiNG
beaver damned is my new favorite phrase im adopting it
Declaration of love:
Leia: "I love you!"
Han: "I know."
Does it get simpler than that?
Jay Ferguson I’m glad that someone posted that! It rarely gets any better than that! And I don’t care how much I’ve seen and heard that scene - it was the utter best thing! It makes me go all ahhhhhhhhh and squidgey. That ad lib was pure gold!
And then they flipped it in Return of the Jedi. Good stuff.
Aaaaaahhh! Yesssss!
That is ultimately the best love confession. Yes.
Best thing is that one is ENTIRELY on Harrison Ford. George Lucas kinda overdid it, Harrison wasn't on board of it, because it didn't fit Han. George supposedly FLIPPED when he saw what Harrison came up. But love how Leya flipped it in episode 6
a perfect first kiss can be perfectly adorable but if i'm being honest I more prefer to see a mess of a first kiss where maybe they accidentally knock teeth and one of them starts laughing because of it. especially if they characters are young and its not only the first kiss as a couple, but an actual first kiss.
Like Cordelia and Wesley from Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
MsCassidy23 yeah!
I HIGHKEY WISH THIS HAPPENS MORE OFTEN OMG
Like the newest Spider-Man movie?
Knocking teeth + "messing up" + laughing about it is just A++++++ to me
"I want to see the naive man and the rich woman" me bursts in holding my titanic DVD
Fun story:
My mom was dating a guy that asked her (very sweetly) if he could kiss her at the end of their first date. He’s my dad, and they’ve been married for 25 years now!
CUTE!!
"There's only one bed!" is my favorite thing no matter the context ngl
"that shit is my crack, i have a problem, and I'm not sorry about it."
A: why has no one quoted this yet
b: i felt that on a spiritual level
bA is my opinion XD
“Tickle each other’s Pikachu’s”
That’s a new one for me, and the only way of phrasing it that I will ever accept from now on.
Kelly Kobayashi 😂😂😂
My favorite troupe is when character A is injured and character B is patching up their wounds and character A feels a bit of pain and then character B is like ‘stay still’ and they share a look™️ and suddenly there’s a lot of sexual tension.
You already know 😉 I already have that scene in my book 😍
Jenna: "I want to get to that part and either scream into my hands or flail."
I'm literally flailing just listening to these tropes. C'mon writers! Let's make them happen!
"There's only one bed" and "sleeping beside each other on a forest floor" are my absolute favorite oddly specific tropes
Mine too! Lmao
Do mine eyes deceive me? Another tropes video by our one and only Cyborg Queen?
Yes!
ALL HAIL THE CYBORG QUEEN!
Thank you!!!!
@@JennaMoreci
ALL HAIL THE CYBORG QUEEN!
*Salutes*
🙇🏽♀️🙇🏽♀️🙇🏽♀️
Huzzah
I always hated the Enemies to Lovers trope but the kind you described is one of my favorites!
yeah, it has to be handled well IMO
Yeah. I like how she described it as not trying to kill each other at first, but maybe a rivalry or just starting off disliking hating each other. I've heard this trope called belligerent sexual tension.
The enemies to lovers trope, at least the ones I’ve read, are done badly more often than not. In the glass storyline of the soulfinder series the main character literally falls for a guy who tortured her as a 12 year old, impersonated her boyfriend, led her into a trap, tortured her more as an adult, and is an actual criminal who spent time in prison. And she falls for him. Literally adopts two kids with him. All because he told her he cared for her.
What makes it worse is that the character literally had another dude who was more emotionally stable, cared for her, had a good stable(ish) life already set up for him, their magic literally went together. Yet she still falls for the douchebag criminal because he says he’s not a douchebag anymore. Look, I’m not too picky, I’ll buy the guy’s redemption, but for God’s sake keep Opal away from him.
Pisces it probably is what happened, but the writer tries to pass it off as a function, romantic relationship. I wouldn’t mind this nearly as much if it was treated as Stockholm syndrome, but it’s not, it’s treated as if Opal fell in love with her tormentor and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
As weird as this sounds, I've seen this done pretty good in a Minecraft Roleplay call Phoenix Drop High...
I think in the second paragraph you described After😂
😂 When talking about the Rivals to Lovers, it reminded me of a superhero story I was just drawing. The villain became the villain because she's in love with the hero & wanted his attention. And it worked! Cause they ended up getting together. The drama is his teammates not approving & his ex gets jealous.
Reminds of a manga, i can't remember it's name since it's been too longue, but the main villain became evil so that she can get the attention of the local super hero who she's madly in love with.
The difference is that the super hero has a high moral code and refuses to have a relationship with a villain, and he's mostly just really annoyed by her, even if we see in a chapter that if she wan't a villain he wouldn't really mind going out with her.
FoxHunter if u find the name could u please tell me??
@@yperez5129 I'll look it up, it's been a while but i probably bookmarked it.
@@yperez5129 the name is Zannen Jokanbu Black General-san.
I rememberd the premise a bit wrong, she didn't become evil to get close to him but she fell for him while they were fighting.
I’m writing a story and one of the protagonist’s best friends turns out to be the villain. I’m still trying to decide on which kind of villain she’ll be but one thing I’m considering is that she’s in love with the protagonist but she’s being forced to kill her because her family is being imprisoned and tortured and they’ll be murdered unless she kills ya girl. It’s just an idea though
I raise you one: friends to enemies to lovers - a deep friendship fractured by deep internal conflict in both characters for them to oppose one another leading up to the slow rebuild of their relationship over time as they grow and become better versions of themselves. And oh my god the pining
I hit like 9 out of 10 tropes with my romantic subplot... Omg! *literally squiecking like a girl at a backstreet Boys concert*
I love forbidden romance trope because they have to fight odds to be together. I love when my romance has drama and conflict.
Yo
Edit: sorry just had to share this somewhere. I JUST HIT 80 PAGES IN MY NOVEL!!
Yes you did queen! You go make that 80 to 100!
Congratulations! Do that nine more times, and you have a respectable trilogy! =^[.]^=
@@Raycheetah the pain 😢
You are phenomenal, Skylar. Don’t give up ❤️
Great job!
Another thing I love about flipping common cliches on their head is doing it with LGBT relationships that usually never get those types of stories written about them even though the tropes are played to death with straight pairings. Makes the tropes fresh and it makes me happy.
To go with your love of awkwardness and mishaps in romance: so my current boyfriend and I had been obviously sweet on each other for months (well, obvious to everyone but each other) and when I had finally decided to ask him out, our mutual friend told me to hold off (she didn't say at the time but it was because he had also decided to ask me out the same day). The day that was all supposed to go down, I was heading downstairs to do laundry because I lived in a dorm hall and I run into him on the stairs. He looks up, sees me, goes to say something but trips over his words, and then trips up the stairs because he is so distracted. He says he was so focused on rehearsing in his head what he was going to say to ask me out that seeing me completely short circuited his brain.
Bless you, child.
Omg , that's so cute.
"It's an old referenve because I'm in my 30's and completely out of touch."
Girl, same.
“I love you” he sobbed
“I-I-I love you” he continued to sob, tears running down his face
She was covered in blood and the ruins were in ruins. Her hair clumped together with thick blood as she too had silent tears running down her face. She reached up, her hand cupping his face. He leaned into it letting another sob leave his mouth.
Calling for help was futile, no one was left in this realm of existence. As her hand began to drop he leaned down to kiss her. Her half lidded eyes closed enjoying her last kiss. He pulled back, connecting their foreheads. More sobs left his mouth as he realised that her eyes didn’t open. He fumbled with her and checked her pulse in a hurry and when he realised there was none he lost it. Tears ran down his face, he let out wails and sobs that only could be described as his heart being torn in half. He dragged her close to him. With her in his arms he wailed out even more her cuddled close to his chest.
Nashi You’re evil. My heart 😭
Whyy... Aaa:((
WHYYYYY😭😭😭
YOU.
WHYYYYYY MY HEART
The only romance trope I care about is people respecting each other
Boom!
Every single YA fan fiction on Wattpad: *sweats nervously*
“Tickle each other’s pikachus”
Well there’s something you don’t hear every day. Or hear at all from anyone aside from Jenna.
Btw who loves slow burn? I'm totally for the characters not realizing their feelings/hiding them/being afraid of them.
I love when characters kinda half mindedly say love you like when hanging up the phone, then they realize it and the other character says it back but like full force *I love you too* because its awwwww-kward
Also, when the whole consent for kisses or whatever, I love when one just kinda says the person's name with kinda like a question in their tone and the other one just nods or says okay or yes or ANYTHING.
Frickin love
The "can i" moments gets me every time. they are truly precious cinnamon rolls :,)
Hellooooo Jenna, i would love you to do a "best villain tropes" or how to create a good villain and basically everything related to villain. That would be a blast 🤩
This video already exists! Go watch :)
In my opinion, a really great villain should be someone you simultaneously root for while also desperately hoping to see fail.
@@ManiaMac1613 Not sure if root for are the words... but rather can understand him\her. I can't root for people who want to kill people because their wife was killed.
@@Apple-gh4hj or like... a lot of other people too! 🤣😅
[immediately adds everything on the list to his first try at romance] I got'cha, Jenna. I got'cha.
"Tickle each other's Pikachus"
What exactly was the inspiration behind this already I C O N I C quote?
just my weird brain XD
@@JennaMoreci Thought you might have seen some Gabriel Iglesias stand up comedy.
My favorite is a big, tall, absolute unit of a person and their absolute mouse of a partner! (Basically Ore Monogatari)
In my high-school AU for a storyline, there is a couple like this, A reporter for the Yearbook, assigned apprenticeship to the main character's love interest, is 6'5" and can be scary, his girlfriend is 5'0" and very cuddly with him.
“Maybe one of them’s super smart, and the other’s a great fighter…”
Sapphire and Ruby, respectively.
I'm guessing you're talking about the Steven's Universe stuff or whatever it is, but it kinda sounds like Pokémon Adventures as well.
I like (and am writing a book) where a villains assistant or lackey betrays their boss and joins the hero, and the slowly fall for each other.
Is it just me?
StarrySky+ Damn u stole my idea
My favorite romance trope: couples who’ve been together for a long time but flirt like it’s there first date (cute if it’s romantic, even cuter if it’s cheesy)
"Tickle each other pikachus"
*wOw*
The fact that most of these are used in the relationship between Crowley and Aziraphale in the book (and show) Good Omens makes my heart go wHOOS
Hahah well, these can also work very well in establishing great platonic friendships (minus the intimate stuff)
Haven't seen the show, but I love the way Crowley and Aziraphale act together in the book! You can tell that they have a really long history of knowing each other and its wonderful
I'm just really happy with what you said about the Enemies to Lovers trope, Jenna. I've often felt really out of place in feeling the same way. I don't mind the bickering rivals version! The Elizabeth/Darcy or Han/Leia types are fine! But when the dude has constantly been trying to murder our heroine, or is complicit in/wants to commit genocide, or has murdered children who trusted him... I can literally hear the brakes screeching in my head. It goes back to watching Xena for me as a pre-teen. I always felt really, really uncomfortable with Xena/Ares and it's never gone away, and then new romance/possible romance 'ships of the same type (though often with villains who've done worse than what Ares did) come along in fiction and I'm just... nope-ing right out like that octopus gif. Because it does ultimately feel abusive.
You’re a wizard, Jenna
You finally managed to make me return as soon as you upload a video
That got weird in a hurry.
**Get yr mind outta the gutter**
'Tickle each other's Pikachus. Oh my lord 😂😂😂 I absolutely love your videos: educational and effin funny. Lol
awww thank you so much!
I was having a bad time recently, so seeing your upload cheered me up. Thanks, Jenna.
awww I hope you feel better soon!
I already feel better. Your videos have that affect on me. You must be magic.
hello world SHES A MAGICAL CYBORG I NEED A BOOK ON THIS
5:08 Embarrass the shit out of my characters?... Lady, that's my entire writing philosophy in a nutshell!
I went a slightly different route. Main characters generally get a shit kicking and suffer.
@@grantmathieson650 That works too. In my head I call it "The Jim Butcher Way"! XD
Mine is making people fall in love with characters then mostly turning them into villains or killing them off.
"You already know that enthusiastic consent is a mandatory staple. RIGHT"
❤🧡💛💚💙💜
River Landon Knight+ [chuckles nervously]
"Tickling each others Pikachu's" legitimately caught me off guard
when casper said "can i keep you?" same vibes jenna was talking about with "can i?" I DIE EVERYTIME WITH PURE LUST
Your advice is helping me so much. Like making the love interest have their own life. After I watched the video that said that, I went back and came up with a second cast for my male one and gave him his own drama. You are a wonderful, helpful lady
Oh, come on. A Backstreet Boys reference won't date you too much.
(checks Wikipedia)
THEY'RE HOW OLD NOW!!?
I have been trying to figure out how my two partners (the love interest and main character) are going to really interact and how one of them would act in lovey dovey situations and this gave me so many ideas!! I am so excited to actually write it now that I got it! Yesss! Thank you, Jenna. I appreciate your existence lol
All of these made me smile so much! Romance is what I read for!!! Sci-Fi, mystery, historical, fantasy, I want romance in it all! Equal opportunity sexiness!!
Made me super happy about the first trope because is the main conflict of the couple in my novel: they can't be together because they even can't touch each other, one is a Death's servant, a soul collecter, and the other is an immortal girl who can see creatures that no one can. Immortality is supposed to be unnatural and immortals are rejected by Death's servants because of that, besides, the servants feel affection for someone is supposed to be forbidden. It's a dark fantasy romance and this video made me want to continue the story, thank you so much.
THANK YOU I love the "there's only one bed" trope!!! I don't care if it's overused, I'm using in my current WIP and no one can stop me, darnit!!!
Jenna is my favorite human and probably the only person I’ll deliberately stop writing while encountering a problem and going “I wonder if Jenna has a video on this...”. I’ve never had that reaction with any other writing RUclipsr literally ever. So helpful and funny, she can capture anybody’s attention and she never seems to sound like she’s droning, and this video is a great example of it.
Anyone ever wrote 2 characters that you werent planning on being together but then you realize that they would make the best couple and start shipping them?
Yyyyyup! 😂
I also enjoy and love the romance genre but it has to have something creative, interesting or unique going on for it, other than the cliches.
And yea I don't have a fav romantic trope I think, might prefer some tropes more than others tho, like guy hopelessly fazed, giddy, kilig, obsessed, in love with the girl and she reciprocates, just cuz a guy like that to an extent that you're attracted to in real life is so attractive, just mutual feelings and show of interest y'know.
#4 "Can I?" - sweet/romantic 😳😳🤝🏻 or sexy/irreverent 🔥🔥🔥
#5 Awkwardness
#7 "I love you‼️" - the dramatic proclamation of love
#8 Snuggle up, Buttercup
#10 Power couples - Syaoran x Sakura, esp. in animes, video games
Jenna: We already know enthusiastic consent is a mandatory staple of every healthy relationship, (angrily) RIGHT?
90% of romance writers, especially on Ao3 and wattpad: (sweats nervously)
Okay but this list is absolutely on point
I love it when #8 and #9 are combined. But not in a creepy way
Two words: Childhood. Friends. That's my personal favorite romance trope in fiction.
Ever since I was little, I loved the trope of those two people who knew each other since they were pretty much babies and either basically instantly fell in love or slowly, over the course of growing up, realized they were in love. Kim and Ron? Love 'em. _Hermione_ and Ron? Love 'em. Jacuzzi and Nice (from an anime called Baccano)? Love 'em! Masaomi and Mikado? REALLY love 'em!
That brings me to another, even better aspect to this trope: Somehow I love this trope even better when it's gay. Two dudes, friends since their toddler years, growing up together and one day just looking at each other and thinking, separately to themselves "Oh god...I think I'm in love with him..." and the ensuing awkwardness and nervousness between them as they stumble through their feelings. I like it with lesbians too (really, I'll eat up the Childhood Friend Romance trope no matter who it involves), but as a bisexual dude who's more into other dudes, I just find the adorable and relatable awkwardness of two gay guys who were best friends all their lives mutually becoming each other's gay awakening to be completely irresistible. Like, I'm just sitting here like "THEY'RE LITERALLY BEST FRIENDS! THEY'RE ALREADY PERFECT FOR EACH OTHER!"
Jenna you literally uploaded this while I was writing my lead and love interest’s first kiss-you’re ACTUALLY A CYBORG! 😱
I don't like romance as a main genre, but I love myself a good romantic subplot.
So yeah, power couples are awesome! Especially battle couples. There's nothing more awesome than watching/reading two lovers kick ass side by side, having each other's backs and competely trusting in one another!
Awww Pedro the 🐧 is getting cuddles in the thumbnail!
On the subject of awkward or fumbling romances,have you ever seen the show Firefly? It's an incredible show and I could talk about for a long time,but specifically the romance between fancy doctor Simon and dirty adorable mechanic Kayled,I think you'd adore it. Simon is so awkward and says the wrong things that make Kaylee storm off in a huff;it's adorable.
Beaver Dammed...
Beaver
Dammed
I paused the video for 10 seconds to appreciate that metaphor... you’re in the correct line of work.
I don't think I get it... mind explaining?
Yohannai the female version of cock blocking. Beaver is used as a crude metaphor to refer to a ladies vagina. So Beaver damming would be the female equivalent of cock blocking.
I just can’t get over Jenna’s vocal range in her speaking voice. She could easily be a VA.
Yes! I found the channel recently and I love it!
awww thank you!
On #7: one of my TTRPG characters has been mute his entire life, his artificer friend makes him a magic amulet that allows him to speak while wearing it. Know what the first thing is he uses this newfound voice for? He finds the woman he's been dating for years now and he simply says "I love you". He'd been using telepathy to communicate with her up to this point, so he's expressed the sentiment before, but this is him actually saying it out loud for the first time. This is the very first thing he does with a new voice. Is that a dramatic proclamation of love?
Jenna, I did not realise you are such a fangirl 😂 (and a badass cyborg at the same time, a very multi-talented writer!!!)
Love all these tropes too lmao Especially the three tops XD It seems kinda universal btw.
1:44 or like “I AM AN ANGEL AND YOU ARE A DEMON WERE HEREDITARY ENEMIES-“ I MEAN-
"GET THE BEHIND ME, FOUL FIEND......afteryou-"
'Aziraphale held out his hand. [...] Crowley took it.'
- Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophesies of Agnes Nutter, Witch, Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman
1 Having to overcome obstacles make it harder to take things for granted.
4 "Can I?" is so sweet, I agree.
5 Laughing at awkward situations is good for you ... I think.
10 Helping each other hrow and "being more than the sum of parts" is alot of what relationships are about.
Just wondering what the little plush penguin is called since they've been in the thumbnails a lot.
amazing video! my personal favorite trope though is just the pining for each other, good-natured whole-hearted pining filled with lovelorn gazing and chest aching and fluttering touches, that’s my shit. Reading about characters suffering over the profundity of their love for another person and then finding out their feelings are reciprocated after long months/years of suffering is everything i want in life
"Extreme conflict" and "Adorable romance" are two themes that go together like peanut butter & jelly
This is my favourite channel. I've watched many videos of what to do and what not to do but i get bored but Jenna not only teaches me something new but she makes me laugh whilst doing it.
Great video as always :) Love you Jenna!!
love you too!
Oh, you would love my MCs' romance. A (female) spy from Small Kingdom falls in love with a princess from Big Empire. The best part? Big Empire has opressed Small Kingdom for decades now and the two nations are on the verge of war.
I got excited when I heard Jenna say “I wanna see the good boy and the bad girl” because that’s basically my story
These are all awesome tropes that any author would be lucky to have in his or her novel. One trope I want to add for myself is the kind of romance with a shy protagonist. I always get nervous around flirtatious women, so to see my kind represented in fiction is a plus for me. Great video as always, Jenna! You make Wednesdays worthwhile. ^_^
Alright, Y’Know how people always right those comments like “I was about to do such and such and then I saw Jenna had uploaded and was like Nevermind?
I never liked those comments very much but...
I was about to go roleplay when I saw Jenna had uploaded and I was Nevermind!
Edit: Also when I saw this I was like “Yep, Forbidden Romance.” Then Jenna confirmed it... Yeah.
I’m just writing for fun. I’m not good enough to write something publishable but I’m imaginative and writing novels is my outlet. You inspire me so much to keep going and you’re funny 😂 thank you!
Omg I’m early what to I do umm your an amazing person and author Jenna and I will always support you and your work. Keep being you! 💙
thank you so much!
I love all of these oh my gosh!!! Forced proximity, fake dating, enemies to lovers... and who DOESN’T love a declaration of love, big or small? This made me smile, thanks for sharing! 😃
7:45 Am I imagining things, or was that a Princess Bride reference?
I am ALL about her enthusiasm and witty quips! Love it!
Trope videos are some of my favorite videos.😍
I'm glad!!!
Bell ringed! Honestly your tropes and advices as well as listening to lores about George RR Martin's and Tolkien's worlds are making my writer's block go away. I finally started being ok with my ideas and even liking them! I made my first notes about a story in years (I was a passionate writer back then) and I am startin to be excited about writing! thank you, if I ever become a rich writers I'll buy you like 100 liters of wine
Oh shit. Writing can wait. Jenna always goes first😈
Oh my God 1 year later and I found this comment again
Oh good. I write your favorite tropes. That actually makes me happy. Someone besides my mom WOULD read my stories. lol :)