Why Archie Sonic Vs MUI Goku Isn’t Close…
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I'm glad someone finally brought up how DB logic of being stronger than your opponent negating hax shouldn't transfer over in cross verse if that verse doesn’t have that same logic
Yeah because using that logic completely breaks the scaling of other verses
Funny thing is, Dragon Ball never officially stated that’s how it works. People say ‘we see it happen all the time’ but don’t stop to think of the possibility that maybe it’s not the fact that stronger people negate hax in Dragon Ball, but Dragon Ball as a verse has an inherent weakness of their hax not working on stronger individuals unlike other verses where hax is made to take on stronger people usually.
Like in the manga where it’s explained Hit’s time skip is less effective the stronger you are
Bleach for example explicitly says they can negate weaker abilities with superior strength, so it’s not an inherent weakness of Bleach haxes but an actual ability to negate powers
Then therefore gokus enemies have no ki control and goku could slam them due to their physical prowess being inferior because to dragon ball characters if you don't have ki you are nothing. And in the dragon ball verse everyone has ki but most don't know how to use it. And if Archie sonic can rewrite time or whatever then goku shouldn't be affected right?
@@Gander6309-KranchTheDestroyer
Wouldn't do anything since Dragon Ball's ki works different from other iterations of ki
The "being stronger ignores hax" logic should be ignored at this point
BIeach is the only other verse ive seen that follows this Iogic. Because i think i heard that baragaam tried to use hax on aizen but it didnt work because aizen was too strong.
If we consider Sonic as a whole, his skills in Frontiers further improves his odds. As he has far better long range attacks at his disposal. Not to mention the levels of speed he could go. Obtaining an advanced state of Super, which the wiki calls "Starfall Super Sonic". If he lost this power permanently or not is yet to be decided but regardless, that adds to his feat list.
That's impressive
I had a literal stroke trying to read this... your IQ is underwater
Archie sonic and game sonic aren’t the same version of sonic though, so this argument only really improves game sonic odds if he fought goku (then again Archie sonic is already broken af so ultra sonic would probably win regardless ).
In terms of if he lost the power permanently the answer is yes, the master king said that the cyber corruption was delicate and if sonic used the full power of the cyber corruption that bonded to his body then he would lose it permanently
I don’t think he lost the starfall super sonic transformation because it is referred by the game as ‘super sonics hidden power’. The reason for the cyber corruption is it either made the power easier to control or was able to allow sonic access to it. The part where he lost the power is when he entered supremes gun and decided to use all of the cyber corruption at once which turned him into cyber super sonic and let him one hit the end
To me it will always be super sonic 2
I think game Sonic vs. anime/manga Goku, and Archie Sonic vs. Xeno Goku is more controversial than this one. It's still fun tho
yeah I feel like that a better comparison
Their not ready for that talk yet. PpI are still in deniaI and think archie sonic is the only strong sonic.
@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy true
well tbh the fact that archie sonic can literally become the writer and rewrite the fight makde its kinda impossible for xeno goku to win. Because, even though xeno goku could win the fight if he one- tapped archie in his base, archie sonic could use fate manipulation and rewrite the fight
Archie>>>xeno
Game sonic>>>anime goku
Never really got into power scaling sonic characters, I found this really interesting
I know how busted Archie sonic is, but I do want to see a Xeno/CC Goku and Archie Sonic comparison and a game Sonic vs canon Goku comparison.
Game sonic vs canon goku is just goku winning. But archie sonic vs xeno/cc goku would be a good debate
@@jayari7674 if you factor things like the Wii games and 06, it’s not too one sided if you also include hyper, but even then, I do agree canon goku takes it
@@jayari7674 Yeah I don't think so. Game Sonic would still slam Goku pretty hard.
@@AshTheGreat1998depends if you use super goku or gt goku. Gt goku would slam sonic after the 100 year time skip
@@phenomenon3082 We don't even have proper scaling for gt Goku after the 100 year time skip and super goku hasn't faced and beaten anything that's comparable to some of the enemies that Sonic has faced in base, let alone as Super Sonic.
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Archie Sonic I honestly feel is a very complicated character to scale in Versus videos like this, Archie Sonic has indeed done the feats of resetting/restoring the universe/timeline, once successfully and once unsuccessfully, this Sonic has also been knocked out by an anvil to the head Looney Toons style, he's gotten hit by a surprise attack from a gorilla (or maybe a log thrown by the gorilla, can't fully remember) that isn't even 1% of Sonic's speed, and I'm quite sure he's tripped on exposed branches for not looking a couple of times. Thing is that the Archie Sonic Comics change A LOT from the early issues to when Ian Flynn arrives (Issue 160 onwards and let's be real that's when the comic got consistently good), there's a reason almost all Archie Sonic fans will recommend new readers to start at Issue 150 since it's more consistent and less confusing and ilogical, some stuff shown early in the comic obviously aren't actul things to take seriously otherwise Sonic would have used his Plot Manipulation to revert Sally's robotization and Antoine's coma, even the Super Genesis Wave.
I think that if Archie Sonic is going to be pitted against a character from another universe people should concentrate and specify what version of the character they're talking about cuz you can't tell me with a straight face and no shred of sarcasm that the Sonic who can manipulate the plot, who can make time move forward with speed alone and has to be killed at least a billion times to stay dead is the same Sonic that was unable to save Antoine from being hit by an explosion that put him in a coma, who couldn't Stop Mecha Sally despite him not holding back, and who straight up lost to Eggman once and would have totally died in that moment if Eggman wanted.
And in case anyone thinks I'm saying this because I want Goku to win, I'll say that if it's Super Sonic Goku loses, he's strong but there's not much he can do against unlimited power, but I do believe Base Sonic loses, he's way overrated and I can't see him coming close to destroying an Eggman ship in a single blow without external help, let alone a planet.
Weirdly... I actually kinda disagree that base form sonic loses. Base form, he can move so fast.. that he can move when time isn't moving at all. It isn't instantaneous like Rimuru, and is isn't like Goku or Jerin breaking through Hit's time skip, because canonicaly that was because of the match up. But just no tricks at all, with just sheer speed he can move without time. Which puts him at unreasonable speed. + the whole "Ran faster than time" line which is its own bag of worms.
+ the video assumes that chaos force is 6D when it's completely transdimensional. The chaos force is so weird and powerful, that SS survived the SGW which... erased the chaos force... which was powering SS...
This is an illogical level of power. But even base form he slaps pretty hard.
@@lorrainebrunner2490 What I'm trying to say is that the Base Sonic from issue 150 and forward doesn't feel like the same Sonic from early Archie, his feats at the start of the comic are more comical and cartoony while Sonic at least since issue 150 has more serious and consistent abilities and feats, not that he's weak or anything like that but if he was that fast that he could run through time then he would have used his speed to save his friends in several occasions, like Antoine or everyone else when Eggman invaded Knothole, and once again he lost to a Mech the Doctor made specifically to beat him and said Mech was destroyed by Sonic's friends as he didn't even have to get involved.
My point is that Archie Sonic's abilities are inconsistent both because of the different writers and because of the comic getting more serious later down the line, I'm mostly talking about Sonic after the comic got more serious at about issue 150, that Sonic while very powerful I just can't see being able to even damage Goku who can take attacks from Galaxy destroyers. Of course if we take into consideration all of the feats Sonic has displayed in the comic even the most cartoony ones then it's definitely difficult to see Goku beat Plot Manipulation.
I'm basing my opinion on what I've seen in Archie Sonic which I've read almost in it's entirety.
@@santiagosuarezzambrano9384 Yeah, that is a pretty fair take. Though I'm talking about stuff which was pass 150. (I THINK) that the running while time was stopped thing was a megaman villain. _I think._ Placing it pretty near to the end of the series. And yeah, I fully agree on the plot manipulation thing. That's a very black and white matter.
@@santiagosuarezzambrano9384 okay so I personally agree with you in the concept that not only should Archie be capable of far greater feats than he has shown at times however it isn't as much a powerscaling inconsistency as a storyline inconsistency and it's almost necessary too. A perfect example of this would be the issue with the Flash television show, a character with incredibly similar speed based abilities to Sonic however just like him he doesn't constantly use time travel or his Irrelevant levels of speed to win every fight in less than a zentosecond. I wish I could give an actual reason behind why he doesn't show consistant feats, but the most likely reason is the fact that it would be nigh-impossible to make Sonic consistently the same level of strength. That can even be shown by Goku taking damage from being dragged across a god damn mountain by Broly. Even then, it's actually stated Goku is using his own Ki to literally maintain the fabric of the Universe so it doesn't vanish every time he breathes.
@@leafydoesedits3266 yeah, like one of the writers of one of the God of War games said, most of the time you can't show properly a character's abilities due to the limitations of the medium in which said character is shown, Kratos being an example, he's hundreds times more powerful than the majority of enemies he encounters and he's been said to be able to dodge lightning, but since he's in a videogame he can still be killed by the weakest enemies and be hit by normal arrows. Still, what I'm trying to say is that early Archie Sonic and post Issue 150 (possibly a little sooner) Archie Sonic, in my opinion, should have their feats separated from one another at least when it comes to powerscalling, because of course its going to be extremely inconsistent, otherwise the same guy that can run so fast that he moves out of time itself is also the same guy that got knocked out by an anvil to the head. That's why I honestly prefer Archie Sonic post Issue 150, he's much more consistent power-wise AND he manages to be more "grounded" when it comes to scaling him, I personally have never seen him as the outerversal being many people make him out to be, maybe one of his transformations like Hyper Sonic could indeed fall in that category but base Sonic nah.
This is actually a pretty decent interpretation of who would wins, however, I noticed that you didn't include Ultra Sonic after he absorbed 1 billion power rings that were stated to be comparable to the chaos emeralds (if I remember correctly, my memory isn't that great). Wouldn't that make him practically omnipotent?
Nope,nowhere near omnipotent tf,you do realise Archie Sonic even with all the wank you can give him is at the very best 6D,there is an infinite amount of dimensions above Archie Sonic and even beings above Infinite dimensions that are above Archie Sonic and then is Nigh-omnipotence and there’s Omnipotence.
@@mvp746But the author said bare minimum sonic is 11D-20D for his reality warping thing (if you want scans lmk)
@@RadicalBoiChris lmfao what? the author is smoking some heavy shit
@@mvp746 The author created archie sonic tho, meaning if he says archie sonic is 11-20d, archie sonic is 11-20d
@@mvp746 Do you not know what the word "author" means?
The entire DBZ point of negating / resisting hax due to just being stronger defies the point of hax.
Not every verse follows that logic though just only bleach and dbz from my current knowledge. If we use that logic, ichigo is immortal to anyone in fiction because its stated zanpakutos can only hurt soul reapers and that's been referenced in the ss arc when ichigo was fighting urahara, or goku won't touch, hurt, or even see a stand from jojo because only people with stands can hurt and see stands so theoretically speaking, if goku was walking on the street, pucci would turn gokus body inside out with c-moon because he wouldn't see it coming.
W Archie Sonic slams Goku
Yeah this Flash victim's slam Goku.
I agree, but I hate when powerscalers pull junk like this.
They always use the strongest versions of characters and put them up against regular ol' Goku. It's the most unfair thing.
Where is Xeno Goku, where is CC Goku, where is JF Goku, where's GF Goku? These are all official versions of Goku. They might not be canon to the main timeline, but they are part of alternate timelines.
But no, they love to use the weakest version of Goku.
Superman fanboys pull that all the time. They'll use either comp Superman, or Cosmic Armor Superman, and then they'll pair that up against the weakest version of Goku (main timeline.)
I'm not saying not to powerscale. All I'm saying is to make it fair. If you're going to use the strongeat version of a certain character, also use the strongeat version of Goku.
I now get why DB fanboys are so toxic, because of stuff like this.
@anti-toxiccommunities9733 Funny enough the Xeno Goku thing was a mistranslation on Demigra being able to destroy the real world. He was meant to say all of existence for the dragon ball world, which wouldn't put xeno goku up at anything insane out of db
@@oneofthekindscarf8612 The real world in that context was beats world. Not our real world. It was never a mistranslation.
Now Jump Force Goku can see Shonen as fiction, and can destroy all of Shonen.
So everything from Sonic to OPM is getting nailed even by Jump Force Luffy and Naruto, since they see all of Shonen as fiction. Basically every JF character that was a part of the main story is on the level of an author.
Cool Wally west slams archie sonic
W lol amping myself w this 😭💯
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The goku glazers cant stop meatriding bro😢
I know sonic slams him and vegeta😂
Goku slams the verse you and Midpest can cry together 😂😂
@@SuperiorGokuGTuniverse only💀
Nah bro go cry, goku ain’t soloing sonic
@@Defaultman12218 Fr. Game Sonic is enough for bro 💀
@Xseeus54 saiyan saga goku is enough for archie sonic💀💀
Do Xeno Goku next!
Archie would still win
Xeno Goku slams.
@@BaoBao_822xeno goku solos the verse
@@BaoBao_822xeno goku absolutely negs
Xeno Goku gets butt fucked.
This is just overkill
Why would you use supped up sonic vs regular Goku? The equivalent of archie sonic in the sonic mythos in Dragon ball is Xeno Goku. You should've used him.
I’ll make a video on it
@@Tempest1018 appreciate it
Archie is cannon xeno, isn't?
@@stealthxhunter224 He technically is tho, since Dragonball does have infinite timelines canonically, he could simply exist.
@@chrishosey7535isn’t CC goku stronger? With universal blue
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He is very good, I'll give him that. And hes a lot better than most, but he doesn't need to do a little bit more research into his things before he starts. Power scaling and gets a little bit better. Grasp on everything, but he is very good nonetheless.
I can agree with a lot of what ur saying but to be honest he needs to do a lot more research calculations and maybe assistants cuz he has missed a couple of times💀 he just need a better grasp on scaling
If you disagreeing on scales is me needing “assistants” then idrc
@@Tempest1018 That's OK everybody has their own opinion. Some people feel like their opinions are right, and that's why they're called your opinions. All I was saying is you sound really confident about A lot of your research. Which by looking at some of the videos, looks like you just skim over stuff. I get it quick, easy way to make your videos. So you don't have to put that much effort or time into it. Nonetheless, it's still entertaining to watch your videos.
@@Tempest1018 yea I was buggin out in a assistants and nobody said that and no me disagreeing with some of ur scales doesnt Mean u need assistance now that was my bad
Yeah this is great!
I agree, glad to see you're here
bro archie sonic comic is crazy, not only the powerscaling but it even has mega man
it also has spawn
@@johnfredrick395 no way
@@johnfredrick395 where
Great video. Can you do Omegamon/Omnimon vs Gogeta video please
Gogeta wins
@@eysakhan8400 Omnimon destroys
I have archie sonic Multiversal+ - High Multiversal With Reality warping hax, Nothing Outerversal But yea He's Pretty Strong
W
Sonic having 1 billion rings does NOT mean he has one billion lives, as soon as sonic is hit ONCE he loses all his rings and he just needs to be hit one more time to die.
You’re referring to a game mechanic. Archie Sonic when he absorbs the billions of rings which means he has the power of 1 super emerald. Archie sonic tanked harder than goku a lot. In the games however the rings mechanic was eventually removed in frontiers making sonic have actually hp. Goku cannot one shot a blue mobian which he has irrelevant speed and greater cosmology. That little blue hedgehog is so durable even an Hakai won’t work on him. So yeah Sonics op
@@Poismmoh my fault I was wrong. Yeah no he slams Goku. But xeno Goku....
@@gh0stshark336 debatable tbh
@@Poismm maybe
I feel like you just got the game mechanics wrong
Sonic doesn't lose all of his rings after one hit, and if you include Frontiers then he can just create rings regardless
This guy has definitely done his homework 💯. Great information. 👍
Takes away Gokus "hax dont work on him if hes stronger than you". But keeps sonics story manipulation. Not Biased. Outcome is correct tho.
Agreed a lot of the way this was presented doesn't make sense but nonetheless it sounds like Archie Sonic has the better feats. I am however bothered by the fact they've got anime and I'm guessing either a movie or game cutscene in the background while also using manga and guide statements. While I don't think that changes the outcome, it does change the feats and their consistency. For example Jiren in the anime is stronger than every god of Destruction individually making mui Goku above Beerus in the anime as he proved himself stronger than Jiren, that's how it's presented anyways. But manga mui Goku isn't anywhere near Beerus as Quitela is the one Stronger than Beerus not Belmod and Beerus can even take on almost all if not all the gods of destruction at once and win, making the power scaling in anime and manga vastly different.
Because that's just not how that works in the Archie verse? And regardless it wouldn't matter anyway, since archie's stronger than him
@NonSoSmartPerson doesn't matter. My point is it's weird for him to say that hes taking away gokus "stronger than you" hax. But keeps sonics story manipulation hax.
It shows that he's biased towards sonic. Which is also weird because bias is unnecessary. Since like you said, sonic is stronger.
Also. It wouldn't matter if the "stronger than you" hax negation isn't how it works in sonic. That's how it works in dragon ball. Based on your logic I could easily just say "Well story manipulation doesn't happen in dragon ball so it wouldn't work on goku".
Either way, sonic would win. I was just pointing out that it was very clearly bias that he took away gokus(dragonalls) hax resistance. But let sonic keep his hax. Even if sonic is stronger
@@holli4447 Again, it literally makes zero difference if he keeps it. Not too mention that the stronger than you hax doesn't even work in the Archie verse, as he mentioned
If DB logic doesn't work in other worlds then Sonic logic wouldn't make sense in DB world since hes not using ki. Therefore if either character were to go into each other world they will get nerfed. So to me this battle would be inclusive since we wouldn't have a neutral setting to power scale each character respectively.
W video tempest
So far I have not found a video that accurately scales both characters. But I would love to see a Comp Sonic vs a Comp Goku.
Considering there is canon Goku, and Xeno, I'm not sure if Sonic has any other Overpowered versions of himself, but there is Hyper Sonic that would technically be x7 stronger then Ultra. And if Base Archie Sonic had put pressure on Dark Enerjack( Not sure if it was super or base ) there's no doubt that Sonic would have no problem pressuring MUI Goku.
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I do think Archie sonic wins but I kinda don’t like how you went about it.
There’s a lot of different writers throughout Archie Sonic’s run and in like the first 30ish issues, there’s a lot of gag stuff that doesn’t get carried over by other writers.
I think when doing debates like these, it’s probably better to separate which era or writer of Archie Sonic you’re talking about. Ian Flynn more or less (minus genesis wave), made base sonic more grounded in areas.
I think separating them makes sense since we more do that for DC for their powerscaling as well (golden age, silver age,etc)
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@@Mr.Pontiff645 good rebuttal chief
If we gotta seperate which sonic then we gotta seperate which goku as well. Sonic isnt like DC or marvel where theres multiple continuities and multiple endings. Archie sonic had one beginning and one end. Just like most. Even the SGW was tied into the singIe continuity with characters even mentioning and referencing it.
@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy that’s fair. I think with Goku it’s a bit easier to swallow his feats because after the first arc (which had way more gags), the feats are more consistent.
Think about it, Goku breaks the 4th (or is it 5th wall), in his fight against Yamcha but nobody uses that when scaling Goku.
Sonic is a lot more gag in nature until other writers start writing for him and then he gets more consistent. I just think you do need to seperate this stuff better because some of the crazy stuff that happens in the first issues of Archie Sonic, is stuff that issue 250+ Sonic cannot even do anymore.
@@jalencunningham20124th wall. Also the Manga Goku broke a Manga panel as we all know but that’s a Kid Goku manga-only feat.
Goku cant dodge if somone is faster than him🗿
Good video and scaling
Thank you for adressing this, I literally never understand how people say "SONIC IS JUST THE SPEED OF LIGHT!!!" when he's not- He once ran so fast TIME ITSELF COULDN'T KEEP UP WITH HIM
Instant transmission can move between realms each with their own space time continuums and dimensionality, and granolah is faster than that movement. That's the scaling that makes me think Goku has immeasurable speed but Sonic would still be stronger.
@@ZXAdvent, also, teleport doesnt equal speed anyway
@@notfex1427If you're faster than something instantaneous with your own speed then it counts as a speed feat.
@@malikmcfarlane6060, we're talking abt Teleportation here, something that literally doesnt use movement speed or travel speed, so it DOESNT count as speed.
@@ZXAdventIt's still dimensional travel because realistically no one should be able to travel to dimensions separated by space and time so even if he's teleporting to someone from that realm it still qualifies for dimensional travel.
@@ZXAdventInstant transmission can teleport anywhere regardless of a person. Goku just locks on to people’s ki.
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People really think goku can beat Archie sonic even google confirmed that sonic claps all forms of goku
Goku claps Archie Sonic
@@KenyionDouglaswatch and play sonic games
nice video man
You should do Xeno Goku actually scratch that he’s too strong use arale.
Check my community post
Everyone downscales game sonic ;w;
Like literally in a cutscene it was stated in sonic generations that sonic moves and fixes time by just running.
Ppl allways love to use the most overpowered versions of characters vs goku instead of using the original, but if anyone uses non canon goku like xeno or comp goku apparently it's unfair, I find that funny
U forgot archie archie sonic he is the infinite of infinite.
You're right, Game Sonic would box Goku too
@@Power-kn6fk yeah because literally sonic in base is at lowball planet buster because he legit survived a blackhole in sonic shuffle a bad mario party.
Jump force goku literlly see shonen as fiction
@@MohamedDekkal-yy3uh and sonic has limitless stamina -_-
Omg he actually didn’t miss on this one😱 one of a kind video here😭💀
One of a kind dick eating here😹
@@Tempest1018 if I was a dick eater I’m def not one of a kind🙅♂️💀
@@Tempest1018😂
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Alright this great and all but can he beat Batman with prep time?
Nah
No
Probably not
If Batman can't prep against Flash how he winning against Sonic
@@electric_creeper cause flash is faster than sonic
Why did people think this was a even match to begin with SONIC IS ON TOP
because yall are using the strongest version of your characters vs the weakest form of goku, him in his original timeline. amazing. So now's the question, can he slam xeno though? (no)
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He could have used game sonic, and he would have still won.
Lying crazy 😭🥺
@@soakup823he's not lmao
@@soakup823 he's not nigga
Archie is technically canon to the games since there are events that happened in the games that also happened in the Archie Comics. And he used the Solaris feat.
@@truespeed8699 he is lmao
Those who are wondering Death Battle and others doesn’t understand a thing about Archie Sonic, Goku wins just beating only one Sonic? Archie Sonic can also literally destroy Universes and Planets, Goku doesn’t do that lol
Goku is gokuversal L scaling
Lol
goku meat rider archie sonic solos the verse
@@nellyboy7904 its a joke lol
I gave the biggest sigh when he said sonic has plot manipulation 😒
🤷🏾 goku the sonic victim
Even game sonic slams
Weirdly, even the IDW version has some insane feats. Like just running faster than space existing. Literally. Like, not some word salad "This makes X dimension blah blah blah" but actually. Egg man put him into a controllable miniature version of reality, editing it to try killing him. Bro run so fast that he reached the end of a circular room. Riddle me that one.. xD
@@lorrainebrunner2490btw idw is also game sonic, except he's before frontiers.
@@swagxd3970 idk, I just feel like it's kind of weird. Are they really the same continuity? If it's the Unleashed version where are all the humans? I know that the Zeti are in it, so Lost World is there... but did COLORS happen in both versions? If it did, Wisper has had her wisps for years ever since her old team, so how long ago did COLORS happen??Did Forces happen?
@@lorrainebrunner2490 tails tube explains about the humans
@@lorrainebrunner2490 the tails tube shows that humans are in another countries
I'm genuinely confused and I never saw anyone else in the comments, and I'm not saying this because I want Goku to win or anything, I'm just confused, so you said that Sonic is 6D to 7D and said that Goku was infinitely 5D and I do know that you said lowballing but in the end you still said 5D and the end, and like you stated before, The Kaioshin Realm or Kai World is in the otherworld which is a transcendental realm, above both the concepts of space and time, but with the Kanji of Daizenshuu 4 being Cho Jigen, which literally translates to "above dimensionality" That makes the entire otherworld Outerversal, and this is the same Kaioshin realm that Goku was sending shockwaves to from a whole different spacetime, both being infinite in size, but not only this, Goku was sending shockwaves throughout the entire universe 7 macrocosm, and had the power to destroy it all. Not only this, but Base Goku alone traversed the entire Kaioshin realm in only the Buu Saga which is, like I said, above dimensionality, but infinite in size too, and finally, Above the concept of both space and time. So if Goku is traversing and sending shockwaves with the power to destroy the entire Universe 7 Macrocosm to the Kaioshin Realm, how is he only 5 Dimensional? And how is he losing to Archie Sonic who's only 6D to 7D?
Do Rimuru vs Anos and watch as your brain melts into goo
Anos negs due to Superior dimensionality
Anos should win.
Rimuru and the verses feat aren't really that good,they are vague the higher dimension stuff etc is als kinda vague.
somehow you think that either sonic or Goku are more than 4 dimensional beings is insane. to me 5th dimensional you have to be able to curve the space time of other macrocosms which neither can be close to doing that. 4th dimensional id being to move through time as if it were a physical dimension. powerscalers come up with some crazy shi
I’m sorry bro, but curious George solos both
Curious George, no limbs, only a head, with a blindfold and earplugs
@@ACgamer3k and being investigated by the IRS
Curious Solos Anime Universe and sonic
Me being a die heart of both : I see this as a win win
Death Battle should hire you. You’d be able to fix a lot of their problems. The latest Mario vs Sonic death battle for instance was quite flawed in my opinion.
GREAT VID BUT PLZ PLZ PLZ MAKE CAPSULE CORP GOKU VS ARCHI SONIC i mean capsule corp would win as i am more than 200% sure cc goku would win i totolly agree with the point of this vid but i think that capsule corp goku would win and i want uropinion on dat so can u make a vid about it
He would losse
Dragon Ball Universe also has MWI. which is the theory of every possible reality being recognized in some other parallel world, and this goes on endlessly… creating infinite possibilities and dimensions, which is high hyperversal. Obviously Universe 7 already contains this and Goku was going to destroy Universe 7 and it’s realms. keep in mind that that’s a low ball.
@ZXAdvent invincible ignorance fallacy
@ZXAdvent what? now you’re strawmanning me. when did I insult you…?
@ZXAdvent prove that
@@ZXAdvent many-worlds-interpretation
@@ZXAdvent btw stop spamming the same emojis it just shows how immature you are
12:35 Just want to point out that Rewriting and Erasing are two different things,and erasure differs because im tired of people just seeing one instance of someone surviving erasure and somehow thinking they can resist every form of erasure now.
for example Batman a peek human was capable of surviving darkseid’s omega beams,and Merged Zamasu was capable of barely surviving Goku’s hakai,but that doesn’t mean they will resist all the time tho,trust me if Base Sonic survived being Erased from some random thing
in his own verse that does not mean at all the Hakai can’t just straight up erase him from existence.
It wasnt random it was complete conceptual erasure which the hakai is not.
@@Tempest1018 who says hakai isn’t conceptual erasure? you ever seen someone come back from being hakai’d in the series? or was it even stated that coming back from it is possible? i remember Whis verbatim stating the Hakai can erase *everything* after Beerus erased a Ghost who’s already dead and from another space-time from existence.
not saying he can one shot no limit anyone but someone like Sonic you can’t just overlook the hakai and say “ ye he survived erasure before and it was conceptual the hakai isn’t “ because then you’re just straight up being bias.
@@mvp746Chaos Control is much stronger than Hakai ya stupid ass Dragon Ball fanboy.
I am a dragon ball fan and even I know that Archie sonic STOMPS on goku it is not even close this video confirms it
This video confirms nothing except that he loves the hedgehog meat ma boi also I looked it up Archie sonic ain’t even cannon 😭 this shits mad wack nothing against dude tho we all meat ride characters I do the same with goku
Multiple universes≠multiple dimensions. Bear with me, this is very trippy and very difficult to explain. A dimension is not a form of space, you cannot “be in another dimension”. Dimensions are linked to coordinates: to define what “dimension” an object occupies (would be better to say “to fall under” than “to occupy” but for the sake of simplicity and clarity I’ll use both arbitrarily) a line is a one dimensional object meaning you can only measure and give coordinates to its length, a plain, on the other hand, is bidimentional, so, to describe a point in said plain you need two coordinates and so on. Being able to wonder through universes doesn’t make you a 4th dimensional being, let alone 6th or 7th as said in this video, Neither goku nor sonic are that. This said you could argue that both are fourth dimensional if you consider time the 4th dimension, but at that point we all are 4th dimensional beings since we all experience time and can be given time coordinates.
Tbh the whole conclusions you came up with in this video are completely yapping and gibberish (funnily enough Italian has an exact word for this “supercazzola” which refers to an argument filled with big words often even inexistent. This is exactly that)
Bro I could kiss you rn I was just explaining this to my girl lol
Nah, Archie Sonic vs Goku isn’t really all that controversial. It’s really GAME Sonic vs Goku that’s controversial.
The game version of janemba is absolutely absurdly broken.
Or what about Xeno goku? Beating people to this strong in his base form.
@@kevinmartin8394 I was referring to the game version only regarding *Sonic.* Not Goku. ☠️
@@Oreo_166 See bro I told you I don't know a lot about sonic l o l
My bad
Alright now gogito ultra ego instinct vs Archie sonic
I don't know that much about sonic but. Wasn't goku like fifth dimensional. Low-balling sixth dimensional in the genemba. Movie And then if we're bringing in different variations, what about Xeno goku? Hes fat people with the same abilities as. You've stated in this video. And beat them in his base form while fighting other people at the same time.
goku is way higher then 5d garlic jr alone was 5d which base goku can no diff garlic jr is 5d b he was able to create hyperspaces in the living universe which is infinite in size
@@joshualanghorst3972 yes lol And those aren't even his greatest feats either. That's hilarious.
@@joshualanghorst3972 I agree goku Woodco ck slap a sonic
the fact that in the comics a form far weaker than super was able to outspeed time is kinda funny ngl
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Goku from the games and heroes would be a better fight
Critiquing Sonic’s powerscaling:
You shouldn’t be compositing Sonic like that. You used Sonic X (anime; 2:00) and said it was from the games, both clearly different from Archie. That’s misrepresenting. 😅
3:15 Chaos? The character or the concept? Also, Eggman was just speculating/theorizing where “Sonic always wins” comes from, not that Archie Sonic is actually the embodiment of the concept of Chaos. Not that Eggman had any supporting evidence of what makes Sonic always wins, he just does.
3:55 Aw, Time Eater is not even canon to Archie Sonic 😩
I never actually considered this tbh. I always figured Sonic and Goku would've been on par with one another. Just goes to show what I know. 😅
@@Doreai it's really crazy I'm glad it shows characters like Sonic are so powerful
POV sonic with treasure I summon all the chaos emeralds all allows me to go super and win and if necessary, I can use one super emerald or seven they have wish granting abilities
DarkSpin Sonic is overkill and my favorite
literally noone debated this ever
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Im a sonic fan but even I know that MUI Goku kinda claps low-extreme-impossible diff, archie sonic would need archie super sonic or ultra
Actually there was a panel stating that the multiverse extends to at least 20 dimensions so if sonic could destroy his multiverse (which he can) he is at the very least 20D
I'm a dbz fan but who the fuck would say this is close
Sonic is immune to cancellation,because if he does not lose his rings he can't die in any way,we can see sonic surviving of cancellation in archie comics
a better fight would be fan made ultra vegito series goku with seraphim abilities vs Archie sonic it’ll be closer fight
Bro you can easily do the same statements of sonic to Goku and his cosmlogy. Even Zamasu affecting an multiversal timeline of higher dimensional realms, even becoming concepts such as justice is still below jiren who can glare spiritbombs and Vegeta blue eveolution. Goku scales massively above that. The erasure argument for sonic is vague, doesnt show what type of erasure is. Hakai goes from spritual to even time and space existence level of erasure or evne more as Black was supossed to be affected by this (a separated timline Zamasu)
Video Game Sonic stomps Dragon Ball Super, Archie Sonic is overkill
Why do people always use the most over powered version of the characters go against Goku and don't use his overpowered versions 💀
In a couple of days you’ll see both versions go at it
Because some niggas scale super goku to outer
Exactly lmao just use Game Sonic💀
@@cywh1711 Game sonic still solos which is the funny part💀
No way he used super goku against Archie sonic wtf
W video though
Using goku vs this sonic I know nothing about him cause I’m not really a huge fan of him like I use to be but luckily I wish fleetway sonic was canon but I’ll wait on your xeno goku vs Archie sonic to drop
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Just a few things: snake way is not a realm or anything like that and the guide that states hell is larger than heaven is unreliable as it comes from a video game guide (and no just because it’s licensed doesn’t mean it’s canon or a credible source)
Infinite Speed is wild.
Don't waste your time on this debate man
Is it a no concept of diff in ultra sonic?
So why don't we put Goku Xeno Game, from the Dragon Ball Xenoverse video game? That's supposed to be the most powerful Goku.
Looks like people still aren't ready to realize that Game Sonic is strong enough to beat goku.
a funny match up would be early archie sonic vs kid goku from the original db who does stupid crap like breaking the panels of the manga
Not even Game Sonic vs Canon Goku is close.
Ngl anyone who thought mui goku vs archie sonic probably thought archie had regular feats
Archie sonic is cosmology contains the games has sonic boom which gets it to 11 to 12 and the games have nights into dreams,which contains, Carl jung shit which gets it to high outer to boundless to1s and evern archie sonic has transfinte maths also
Watching a power scaler use scientific words as buzzwords is very entertaining to watch.
The only thing that make me a little angry in your scalling is the fact that you totally forgot the highier dimensions like neutral zone zeno realm time ring wich contain every thing and goku is powerfull enough to destroy it in bleu wich will make goku at the very least 7d
How come y’all can’t compare the game Goku from the fan game to sonic from the games?
W video but does manga goku beat Archie sonic I really don’t know soooo
Even Anime Goku loses to Archie Sonic.
@@cywh1711 I thought manga goku was more powerful?
@@thelogicsonic5980 He's not.
@@thelogicsonic5980 he is this other guys a tweaker
@@thelogicsonic5980 no hes not anime goku was actually seen absorbing god form's power into base which would then result in all of his other forms getting a god form boost
manga goku was never seen doing concretly
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Can you do Underverse error vs fatal error please
Finally someone realized Archie sonic is just that guy
And then you realise he put cannon goku vs the strongest iteration of sonic. 💀💀☠️
@@Gking121 for real dawg
@@Gking121 game sonic wins too lmfao
no - low diff