A montage showing some skills that have been done in the past and then more recently, not necessarily the first or most recent time the skill has been performed.
Thanks for posting: that was very interesting! As a gymnast and then a coach from the 1980s, it's hard to describe how great a change the innovations in equipment, particularly in terms of training, has made to the sport. Sprung floors nowadays are amazing, the old vaulting horse has gone to be replaced by a 'table' which makes difficult vaults SO much more easy, bars that flex and are now so wide apart....you'd be shocked at the equipment I trained on! We had wooden UPBs, an old pommel horse with the handles removed for our vault and even canvas floor mats filled with SAND! And our coach was the OLYMPIC coach! Beam is the least altered apparatus in terms of technology (though our beam was hard and had a non grip, shiny surface) but the new(ish) code of points has made a a massive change to performance. I don't like is the lack of flow nowadays: too many jerky movements between skills and lots of faffing about.
I think back in the 19s people took there time into there routines and put grace and beauty into gym. But now they are showing strength and height and it shows the difference when you watch the moves from each century
It also has to do with the type of individuals doing it today. Back then most were starved little girls expected to be as light as possible. Now they are actual athletic types who are permitted to actually have a more muscular build. It’s also why you see somewhat fewer injuries today- it still happens but not with the unerring frequency of then.
And remember the equipment has changed A LOT since the 70' and 80's. i.e. floors had less spring. It's great the equipment has evolved with the skills but the earlier athletes deserve kudos for doing such high level skills on less performance accommodating equipment. :)
I think back in the day, the gymnasts put the 'artistic' in artistic gymnastics, but as time moves on things change, I see in gymnastics today power elements and when it comes to the dance elements it doesn't seem as graceful as it used to be. Also back then it was about grace and perfection now its just difficulty. :)
+Carol Hutchinson not sure that was the whole reason, I know who you mean though - that was the late eighties, early nineties and they were still using the horse vault in Sydney 2000 so they certainly didn't finish using them immediately after her death - not sure if I like the astetics of the vaulting table though ! safety first I suppose but they got rid of a classic piece of gymnastics equipment / history there IMO
It was due to the crazy amount of crashes at the Sydney games...though it was truly a technical error of the horses not being set to the appropriate height. Also the new horses allow for more “reflex”(or spring or rebound however you may say) that is required for more height on the more difficult vaults done these days. I began gymnastics with horses, and as a dude, I can tell you it is much more safe and accommodating for hand positioning.
Dont know about "thin", it actually felt pretty solid, but definitely "scary". I broke my arm on the vault 2 days before a big meet back in the 80's. I was working on a new, more difficult vault for the competition and was doing it for the first time without the big huge crash mat/pad behind it and totally froze mid-flight! 🤕🤷
great video. thank you. My favorite ever routine is Korbut's Olympic gold floor routine. She was so cute as well as tight, well executed and skilled for the time. anyone else want to share their favorite routine?
Wow, nicely done. Really shows how much harder they had to work back then for skills like double pikes and double layouts. I do think especially on floor that the newer ones are 'better', but of course they have a much more suitable floor for it. In general, beam and bars are better back then. Loving Priakhina appearing twice :)
:42 talk about a perfect hurdle and stretched out roundoff to generate power. You need that good technqiue on such a weak springboard. In general gymnasts had cleaner form and technique in the past than now. One notable exception is 2:00 Hong's double front is unbelievably pretty!
I think now they are better, not by much though. But you have to think, there are limits to what a human body can do, you can't expect them to do 10 summersaults, that's just not physically possible.
There have been, but the video doesn’t show them. Also, there are more difficult skills done (as in quantity) in a routine today. Like a bars routine in the 80s would have one pirouette, a tkatchev, and a full in dismount and just a lot of giant swings. Meanwhile, today gymnasts have several D and E and F skills in one routine.
Reception in floor routines are more elaborate, and gymnasts are faster than before. Yet, then, gymnasts were more gracious. Their skills were more about flexibility and aesthetics than strenght. Both generations are agreeable to watch, but it's not the same style :)
I honestly don't see much of a difference.....they look like the same routines. I think that since this video is 5 years old they haven't "updated" some of the routines that the newer gymnasts perform
No it is not Mukhina, it is Aleftina Priakhina. However- they did have the same coaches. Priakhina originated a ton of skills but never got to worlds or Olympics.
You do understand that back then many of the gymnasts were performing these skills we see today for the first time. They had so much pressure to be the first to perform skills that seemed impossible back then. Also, judges didn't ask for as much as today in that execution judging back then wasn't as strict as today! You really can't compare from a standpoint as to who was better or worse!
@@MrMartinportnoy The Markelov is performed from a backward swing (feet facing the low-bar) whereas the Shushunova is performed from a fwd swing. (Essentially the easiest way to tell them apart). Beth Tweddle does a Markelov in her 2012 routine and Canada's Brooklyn Moors currently uses one too.
My understanding was that some places had sprung floors before then, of course, but that they weren't generally used in competition, and 1992's Games was the last major competition using a non-sprung floor. Possibly using a foam block floor instead of sprung or just mats? I do know that not every place/competition these days has sprung floors. *shrug* But I read this a long time ago, back in the mid-nineties, so I could be wrong. :)
You're missing the point. The difference is springier, bouncier floors, much better mats on vault and the vault table, padded beam, decades of coaching experience with these skills as opposed to when they were first done and entirely different code of points, not to mention improved execution on skills through the years like double tucks.
And the fact that twenty six year olds like Tweddle can perform a Comanech better than the original proves that gymnastics need not be the sport of underweight children. Bring the women back I say, where skill, grace and strength , not acrobats sans all else, are what made it such a fantastic sport.
+sinead connolly Well first of all Nadia did the Comanech. It is still her move. And even though you might say Tweddle does it 'better', it is not named after her. Nadia did it first. And gymnasts nowadays have so much better circumstances. More trainers, better equipment, especially the surface and so much more. Now retired gymnasts put so much effort in this sport, providing that the new generations have a better chance than them. +Nadia is a legend. Many people have heard of her even though they don't watch the sport. She made it what it is. She inspired so many girls to go to the gym and try to be just like her.
That's actually not true. In the 70s, 80s girls were competing. Nadia was only 14 when she won the gold medal. Olga Korbut was 21 when that happened and she was considered 'old' and 'forgotten'. You can see there were mostly just young girls, teenagers. Rarely someone was older than 20.
the newer ones look cleaner and better executed all you wannabe hipsters who say that 80's are the best. yes they habe better equipment now but even the beam that hasnt changed much the moves are better executed
Thanks for posting: that was very interesting!
As a gymnast and then a coach from the 1980s, it's hard to describe how great a change the innovations in equipment, particularly in terms of training, has made to the sport.
Sprung floors nowadays are amazing, the old vaulting horse has gone to be replaced by a 'table' which makes difficult vaults SO much more easy, bars that flex and are now so wide apart....you'd be shocked at the equipment I trained on! We had wooden UPBs, an old pommel horse with the handles removed for our vault and even canvas floor mats filled with SAND! And our coach was the OLYMPIC coach!
Beam is the least altered apparatus in terms of technology (though our beam was hard and had a non grip, shiny surface) but the new(ish) code of points has made a a massive change to performance. I don't like is the lack of flow nowadays: too many jerky movements between skills and lots of faffing about.
The fact that they could do those floor tumbling passes on mats with significantly less spring is pretty amazing.
I just shudder to think about how many of them have serious back, hip and ankle issues from all that unforgiving pounding.
I think back in the 19s people took there time into there routines and put grace and beauty into gym. But now they are showing strength and height and it shows the difference when you watch the moves from each century
i completely agree
QPHashSS77 chill bro
QPHashSS77 mate my comments over 5 years old now why do you give so much of a fuck just do one
I think it mostly has to do with the C.O.P and the current scoring systems which favors difficulty more.
It also has to do with the type of individuals doing it today. Back then most were starved little girls expected to be as light as possible. Now they are actual athletic types who are permitted to actually have a more muscular build. It’s also why you see somewhat fewer injuries today- it still happens but not with the unerring frequency of then.
Still looks exactly the same to me : hella fucking difficult.
And remember the equipment has changed A LOT since the 70' and 80's. i.e. floors had less spring. It's great the equipment has evolved with the skills but the earlier athletes deserve kudos for doing such high level skills on less performance accommodating equipment. :)
I still can't believe that someone did a full-in on the carpet-like gymnastics floor
i loveee that aerial layout stepout layout stepout skill on beam! ♥
That Back layout at 1:45 was as good as ive seen even today WOW!!!!!
I think back in the day, the gymnasts put the 'artistic' in artistic gymnastics, but as time moves on things change, I see in gymnastics today power elements and when it comes to the dance elements it doesn't seem as graceful as it used to be. Also back then it was about grace and perfection now its just difficulty. :)
the old vault tables scare me, they seem so thin and weak! D:
+Saria Kokiri ikr
They were called vault horses. They were gotten rid of because a gymnast was horrendously injured on one. She died 3 years later.
+Carol Hutchinson not sure that was the whole reason, I know who you mean though - that was the late eighties, early nineties and they were still using the horse vault in Sydney 2000 so they certainly didn't finish using them immediately after her death - not sure if I like the astetics of the vaulting table though ! safety first I suppose but they got rid of a classic piece of gymnastics equipment / history there IMO
It was due to the crazy amount of crashes at the Sydney games...though it was truly a technical error of the horses not being set to the appropriate height.
Also the new horses allow for more “reflex”(or spring or rebound however you may say) that is required for more height on the more difficult vaults done these days. I began gymnastics with horses, and as a dude, I can tell you it is much more safe and accommodating for hand positioning.
Dont know about "thin", it actually felt pretty solid, but definitely "scary". I broke my arm on the vault 2 days before a big meet back in the 80's. I was working on a new, more difficult vault for the competition and was doing it for the first time without the big huge crash mat/pad behind it and totally froze mid-flight! 🤕🤷
great video. thank you.
My favorite ever routine is Korbut's Olympic gold floor routine. She was so cute as well as tight, well executed and skilled for the time.
anyone else want to share their favorite routine?
Korbut's Olympic uneven bars in 1972! That should be the first perfect ten!
+Maria Teresa Satta yes! yes! it was stunning
Wow, nicely done. Really shows how much harder they had to work back then for skills like double pikes and double layouts. I do think especially on floor that the newer ones are 'better', but of course they have a much more suitable floor for it. In general, beam and bars are better back then. Loving Priakhina appearing twice :)
The best era of gymnastics at the time were in the 70's and 80's. But that is my opinion.
I'm so happy because yesterday I got my back walkover on ground and on trampoline
Good for you keep trying and you will get their I promis
Good Job!! I know how it feels when you get something for the first time, I got my backhandspring!
:42 talk about a perfect hurdle and stretched out roundoff to generate power. You need that good technqiue on such a weak springboard. In general gymnasts had cleaner form and technique in the past than now. One notable exception is 2:00 Hong's double front is unbelievably pretty!
1988 Olympics was the best for gymnastics.
1976 too
You know it.
0:36 This is why men can't do the balance beam, haha
One would except more of an improvement in 20-30 years.
Took the words right out of my mouth. In fact, the "then" ladies look like they executed the elements better.
I think now they are better, not by much though. But you have to think, there are limits to what a human body can do, you can't expect them to do 10 summersaults, that's just not physically possible.
There have been, but the video doesn’t show them. Also, there are more difficult skills done (as in quantity) in a routine today. Like a bars routine in the 80s would have one pirouette, a tkatchev, and a full in dismount and just a lot of giant swings. Meanwhile, today gymnasts have several D and E and F skills in one routine.
I think that gymnastics then was a lot more graceful and creative. And gymnastics now is a lot more powerful and show off-ish.
Reception in floor routines are more elaborate, and gymnasts are faster than before. Yet, then, gymnasts were more gracious. Their skills were more about flexibility and aesthetics than strenght.
Both generations are agreeable to watch, but it's not the same style :)
I honestly don't see much of a difference.....they look like the same routines.
I think that since this video is 5 years old they haven't "updated" some of the routines that the newer gymnasts perform
The equipment changes a lot. The sponge of the floor and the shape of the vault and the distance between the two bars in UB.
1:18 - Back in '87 they did full outs, in 2008 they do full ins...
Unbelievable
I always preferred the foam block floor. I had a much harder time at meets with landings on coil sprung floors.
This should go back to the 30's.
Oh wow Amazing
No it is not Mukhina, it is Aleftina Priakhina. However- they did have the same coaches. Priakhina originated a ton of skills but never got to worlds or Olympics.
Nice to see Tweddle perform the Comanech better than the original .
sinead connolly That's not Tweddle, but Kramanenko.
Remembering cast wrap days on bars- thanks for the flashback!
great video. also great choice of music. it's not overpowering.
You do understand that back then many of the gymnasts were performing these skills we see today for the first time. They had so much pressure to be the first to perform skills that seemed impossible back then. Also, judges didn't ask for as much as today in that execution judging back then wasn't as strict as today! You really can't compare from a standpoint as to who was better or worse!
Excellent video!
0:40 i dont know how the hell its called but that thing is beautifull
TheShorty0ne It's called Shushunova. It's called after the gymnast that did in 1988.
At the time they called it Markelov or full-twisting Korbut. Don't know what the diference was supposed to be
0:36 This is why men can't do the balance beam, haha
@@MrMartinportnoy The Markelov is performed from a backward swing (feet facing the low-bar) whereas the Shushunova is performed from a fwd swing. (Essentially the easiest way to tell them apart). Beth Tweddle does a Markelov in her 2012 routine and Canada's Brooklyn Moors currently uses one too.
I love jiang yuyuan
2:53 amazing!
2:48 though
Very good!!! :D
That's because it is. :) The floor didn't (generally) have springs until after the 1992 Olympics. The floor at that Games was unsprung.
deffenetly the old ones
My understanding was that some places had sprung floors before then, of course, but that they weren't generally used in competition, and 1992's Games was the last major competition using a non-sprung floor. Possibly using a foam block floor instead of sprung or just mats? I do know that not every place/competition these days has sprung floors. *shrug* But I read this a long time ago, back in the mid-nineties, so I could be wrong. :)
ahh. beautiful.
0:51 There not the same skill. Chellsie Memmel twist more earlier than she does. The other girl twist when her body is perpendicular to the beam.
Now is great
+Nikki Wood thank u what gymnastics can u do? :-)
Ana pavlova=amazing
@AureliaDobreFan Whats the name of the music?
Anyone else tear up for some reason
Who is the girl at 4:03 (1986 standing full)? I didn't know that a standing full had been done so early.
Fern Lin-Healy Aleftina Priakhina, she made a lot of tricks involving twisting
You're missing the point. The difference is springier, bouncier floors, much better mats on vault and the vault table, padded beam, decades of coaching experience with these skills as opposed to when they were first done and entirely different code of points, not to mention improved execution on skills through the years like double tucks.
Gymnasts have gotten so big.
No, it's just that the girls nowadays aren't all 13 year old 5'1tall girls.
And the fact that twenty six year olds like Tweddle can perform a Comanech better than the original proves that gymnastics need not be the sport of underweight children. Bring the women back I say, where skill, grace and strength , not acrobats sans all else, are what made it such a fantastic sport.
+sinead connolly
Well first of all Nadia did the Comanech. It is still her move. And even though you might say Tweddle does it 'better', it is not named after her. Nadia did it first. And gymnasts nowadays have so much better circumstances. More trainers, better equipment, especially the surface and so much more.
Now retired gymnasts put so much effort in this sport, providing that the new generations have a better chance than them.
+Nadia is a legend. Many people have heard of her even though they don't watch the sport. She made it what it is. She inspired so many girls to go to the gym and try to be just like her.
+sinead connolly I'm sadly, 40 pounds over weight and a kid whom does gymnastics
Im 14 im a gymnasr and im 5'4 יותם ענבר
They still do the comminetcy? Wow
This is basically just the same skills done by different gymnasts. The only thing "different" is the camera quality :-/
That 1978 floor has no spring compared to now.
The old vault horse has injured a number of gymnasts I believe.
I can't remember when it was, but i'm sure it was before 1992!
Look like most of the people were a lot older in the then olympics, compared to the amount of younger people in the gymnastics now.
That's actually not true. In the 70s, 80s girls were competing. Nadia was only 14 when she won the gold medal. Olga Korbut was 21 when that happened and she was considered 'old' and 'forgotten'. You can see there were mostly just young girls, teenagers. Rarely someone was older than 20.
2:15 how is that flip/flourish/element called? Is it corkscrew, or is that something different?
MultiGarythesnail it's a triple twist.
Lol they make it look so easy
Ivana Hong
eu vi a Nadia Comaneci aí! i love you Nadia
Whos the gymnast at 0:34
Kim Un Jong
Wow
What is the 2nd to last skill in the video called?
Standing Arabian
its a standing back somersault with a full twist
Ok who does gymnastics because I do I'm a level 8 there are a lot more banned skills now then back then like the Thomas
They are all the same thing/skill every time. It doesn't have to be a then and now video
Is that dawes at 1:31
No, that's Betty Okino. She too competed for the U.S. and that's her performing her eponymous skill.
For some reason I feel like they look more pretty in the 2000s like if you agree
I prefer the gymnastics of the 1980s- more originality and graceful movement.
who in 2:00?
That layout on the beam wow and Alexandra Raismans was shit compared to it!
Who's the woman at 0:33 I see her everywhere
Aquamarine Lazuli that woman in a red leotard is yang bo
the American skills of now are worst than to the past LOL
the newer ones look cleaner and better executed all you wannabe hipsters who say that 80's are the best. yes they habe better equipment now but even the beam that hasnt changed much the moves are better executed
0:36 This is why men can't do the balance beam, haha
😂😂😂
It's all the same!
Ragan Smiths BHS Layout is better than Alys. Hers would actually get credited internationally.
Hi Hello This video is from 2011 lol but yeah I agree
And they say it was easier back then. Hmf... :/
this needs to be updated. the moves aren't nearly as good as they use to be.
what iss the difference they all look the same
Why is it that Chinese gymnasts tend to be lefties? Or that more men are lefties than women? (in gymnastics)
Not as innovative as we first thought.
The equipment was much different back in day.
PS today's gymnastics is getting more and more boring