Why Alonso LOVES UNDERSTEER
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Some Formula 1 drivers like a car with a bit of oversteer, and some like understeer.
Wait? F1 drivers LIKE understeer? It’s true, but it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
But drivers like Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton and Sergio Perez all DELIBERATELY set up their cars to UNDERSTEER.
Now, I spent HOURS watching drivers onboards, and this is a ROUGH guide to which drivers sit on which side of the fence.
In the oversteer camp, I put Max Verstappen, Michael Schumacher, Sebastian Vettel, Lando Norris, Charles Leclerc and Senna. There are loads more, but that will do for now.
Then, in the understeer camp. Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso, Jenson Button, Sergio Perez, Alain Prost, Nigel Mansell, Daniel Ricciardo and Kimi.
(Now they’ve all adapted to cars throughout their career - but this a good guide)
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Regarding Räikkönen, isn’t it always said that he needs a very solid FRONT end because he cannot cope with understeer? So seems extremely strange to categorize him like this. Martin Brundle says Räikkönen drives like Schumacher - by sliding the back.
Yes, very strange to see Kimi in the understeer camp.
raikkonen literally never slides the rear. he also HATES rain. the actual wrong part is him putting hamilton in understeer club.
@@marble25he literally gave a quote at the end from lewis saying he prefers understeer
Kimi wants to induce oversteer only when he wills to.
@@dylanblack8714 nowhere does he say he "prefers understeer". and his laps and performance in the rain proves it
didnt kimi used to hate understeer, he couldn't drive that 08 car and also the 14 car which had massive understeer, I thought he was in os camp
Yep, he's extreme oversteer
Kimi hates understeer. This guy is completely wrong.
Kimi despised understeer.
Yeah, he could barely get on with the Ferrari car in general, even in 2007
@@ciaronsmith4995 exactly my thoughts.
I would hardly categorize Vettel into a oversteer driver. He gained all his championship with Red Bull when the rear was very stable.
Iirc Vettel said he likes the car that oversteers but with predictable rear end. Those two I would say aren't mutually exclusive.
Car can oversteer, but be easy to predict how it will oversteer.
even in the end of 2013 he struggled with a sliding car in the end of the season, shows again how people see this RB too overpowered and forgot Vettels greatness for example in Japan, where Grosjean challenged him very hard
Errr, stable rear compensated for his pointy front end - the best of both worlds, turning in as he wanted with the downside of a loose rear end mitigated by the rear stability of the exhaust-blown era. Also, you failed to point out that Vettel was at his best with this kind of diffuser as it demanded more throttle on entry, not less, with the mapping using that energy to increase exhaust instead of more speed. It completely changed the protocol for corner entry. Scott's right.
When thy say oversteer they don't mean they want something that you can't steer or press hard on the gas and make the rear go out of whack... It means they want to have the power in the apex of the turn when they need it.
That's just dumb, any championship car has a stable car. At Ferrari he never had a stable car for a prolonged period of time and they still struggle with that with the amount of crashes they have
Daniel ricciardo actually likes oversteer not understeer, which is one of the reasons he struggled in the mclaren f1 car. Max and Daniel have similar driving styles. Checo is used to understeer cars like the mclaren, which he once drove, same as Alonso.
he should really put these videos out as theories instead of definitive facts, he insults his fans and loses credibility putting out speculative videos like they're facts
This is why checo doesn’t perform great after a few races Into the season bc the car just slips away frm him due to the development which marko has stated that they will prioritize max and not checo
He legit put a video saying Daniel Ricciardo prefers oversteer on the nose cars. So seems like its a bit of a mistake.
old mate doesn't know what he's talking about. RIC is struggling with understeer cars. At Red Bull he was successful because it was "pointy" / oversteer.
Raikkonen is the father of oversteer
There is so many wrong things with this video but putting Kimi in the understeer camp is ridiculous. Kimi absolutely despises understeer. Like, notoriously.
I swear even Lewis has said he likes oversteer. Only one from the current grid if Fernando who likes understeer. Sergio just likes a strong front end.
Danny Ric also. He meshed well with the red bull which is an oversteery car which is what max likes too
@@ChrisPBacon9eh debatable, and he could never get a grip with the McLaren which lando who has an OS biased style did well with
@@dillondavis4996 not debatable at all lol the McLaren doesn't rotate to Danny's liking because it understeers this is well established by now. Lando just happened to adapt to it better
@@TheMineA7 no lewis has outright said in previous years that he prefers rear grip focus because he has a unique aggressive trail braking into corners that is maximized by having a stable rear end so he can carry even more speed into mid corner
I thought Kimi preferred oversteer.. I think he said so before
He did, this guy got everything wrong. I's easy to Google Kimi's preferences, so I have no idea why he put him in understeer camp.
@@nikolaybonapartov7379 maybe because he hasn't googled the result
but comes to the conclusion based on 20+ years actual racing experience and teaching (the latter quite successful might I add).
Erm, senna said he preferred understeer. And Kimi is the most extreme oversteer driver you'll find
In Senna's book, 'Principles Of Race Driving' Senna mentioned he sets the car up to oversteer for slow to medium speed corners, and understeer for fast corners because it is safer, and the car stays on the racing line easier.
@@nvstewart Indeed
Senna is the most adaptable racer of all time
I thought Seb would love a car with more understeer because it’s makes the rear more stable. I thought Seb was known for breaking late and accelerating early where you need a lot rear end stability and therefore a car wich is more on the understeer side
I heard that he liked a car with understeer to make the car turn after the middle of the corner using the rear tires, he accelerated until the rear tires released, but very little, to the point of not destroying the tires and gaining time. So he would brake later and carry more speed into the corner, and point the car by unstrapping the rear tires after the middle of the corner, and and that would explain why he always needed a rear with a lot of grip, like the RBR cars from 2010 to 2013.
I think this is a misconception based on him adapting to Red Bull's blown diffuser design. That design meant they had a ton of rear grip while accelerating, but less during other phases of the corner.
Depends on which era we talking
According to Newey it's a bit of a myth that Vettel liked oversteer. He really liked having a stable and predictable rear end so he would be able to rotate the car at the exit without going sbinalla. So you *can* kinda say that he liked oversteer but its a very subtle and controllable amount of it.
yeah, newey said that vettel preferred a stable rear in an interview, 2020 or 21 i think. on the contrary, every one of raikkonen's engineers, and even some drivers like de la rosa, said that all he ever cared about was a strong front. it explains vettel's struggles in 2014 and kimi's struggles during his 2nd ferrari stint, neither were very adaptable drivers
Raikkonen likes turn in oversteer. Massively. This is what he struggled in finding at Ferrari.
With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Raikkonen and Michael Schumacher have similar styles.
Yeah. I wonder how much he's gotten wrong in the past now.
Yes Lewis Hamilton is def a driver who likes oversteer, thats why he likes the upgrades more than George atm.
@@jamal1493 Hamilton actually prefers understeer. He has said this. He can adapt to both well though.
@@jamal1493hamilton prefers a neutral front end but also likes understeer (but nothing compared to alonsos level) where he can force the car into corners with his own inputs.
His operating window is very wide too so with oversteer setups he's still fast and has the agility to correct the rear when it steps out.
The only real limitations he has in terms of driving on the limit is when the rear becomes too nervous around many consecutive high speed corners. Saudi Arabia 2022 he was knocked out of Q1 for a reason.
You realize this is all relative to the car, right? A cars profile will dictate max performance. Meaning, the best drivers will adapt to what produces the fastest lap times in that car. Not sure if he used this example but Hamilton has said:
“I know people have this impression of me as a driver who likes to dance the rear end out, but that's just the way my cars have been... That's what I had to do with my aggressive style to get the car as far up as possible."
Thus these little platitudes out of context are meaningless. He seems to make it clear or it can atleast be clearly traced where his examples stem from. Raikkonen may have preferred a certain oversteer in that Ferrari but it absolutely does not mean all the time.
Always thought you'd put Ricciardo in the oversteer-camp. Usually you stressed him liking the Red Bull's pointy front end
and lando at understeer
Agree, strange choice. He could not live with understeery McLaren but was great with oversteery Red Bull
I agree. As I understand it Ricciardo’s biggest problem with the McLaren was the understeer.
Riccardo is last of that late breakers, He needs a stable car especially at the rear under braking. His problem with the McLaren wasn't the understeer per se (understeer was a symptom of the problem) but the fact that he couldn't rotate the car and get on the power quick enough. Normally he can get the car rotated but the McLaren needed an unnatural technique to get the car rotated that setup couldn't resolve which Norris mastered/came more naturally to.
The video was overly simplified (which makes sense for what level it was aimed at) as a car behaves differently depending on speed, wind, tyre deg, weight distribution etc and can vary from lap to lap, corner to corner , even phase of the corner depending how the driver approaches it. A car can go from oversteer to under steer back and back again. It would have been more accurate to say that certain drivers tend to set up the car with a focus on those characteristics tho depending on the circuit and conditions will then adjust depending.
Red Bull and Verstappen are extreme examples of a pointy front end with Verstappen really leaning into it. However the new style of car with floor effect are heavier, longer and less agile that while the Red Bull is still very on the nose, Verstappen had to adjust his style to take into account how much less on the nose it was compared to the last generations cars. Alonso and Hamilton I would say are very similar in style and have both adjusted over multiple generations. Both I would describe as needing a balanced car rather than excessively one way or another
He definitely is, he likes the butt of the car moving a ton so he doesn't have to force the rotation
I always thought Vettel prefered understeer because of the blown diffuser Red Bull he used to drive in the early 2010's and also the fact he was prone to spins during his Ferrari years
That's 100% false. Watch a few 2010 RB onboards. They were oversteery. Vettel himself said he preferred oversteery cars with predictable rear ends. Ferrari's rears weren't predictable. They could be understeering at corner entry and oversteering mid-corner. Have you not seen Charles' crashes?
Did he just say Kimi likes understeer? 💀
Apparently so lol
That's absolute bollocks
Kimi likes extreme oversteer on corner entry. This guy is clueless unfortunately.
And Lewis???
Lewis induces understeer in current car because he hates current seating position but he ain’t understeer driver and neither was Kimi. Kimi just softened his inputs after his Lotus return
@@Karma2BabylonThe guy just gave a quote from 2014 by Hamilton.
It has nothing to do with his 2023 seating position
This is the first time i hear that Raikkonen likes understeer. As far as I remember he has always preferred oversteer
Ummmm Kimi has stated that he likes oversteer over understeer. In fact when he return to Ferrari in 2014 with the F14-T it was set up and designed around Alonso who likes understeer and that’s why Kimi had difficulties with it
Seb likes oversteer? Danny understeer? Seb faltered against Ric when that rail-like rear was taken from him!
Danny prefers oversteer and Seb prefers a neutral handling car... the 2021 McLaren was the most understeery car on that year's grid and Ricciardo was nowhere with it. Meanwhile the Renault he drove before and the Red Bull as well always had very good front ends (As is (typically) characteristic of Newey cars)
From what I've heard before, I think you might have put Kimi and Danny Ric in the wrong category. As I understood it, both drivers were more comfortable in oversteering cars.
Yes
I remember your first huge video being Fernando Alonso’s driving technique in 05&06… how come that got deleted?
Thank you. Every time I try to explain this, I generally get a lot of push back. I also set my track car up to understeer at the limit.
where can i learn to set up a car in a racing sim?
@@deadbeef576just search the definition of every option in Google : v
@@deadbeef576 there's a channel that breaks down every setup option in assetto corsa, just cant remember the name right now
@@deadbeef576I take my track car to a suspension shop I have a good relationship with and discuss the track I'm driving next and what I want it to do at the limit and they do the work. If you have a skid pad in your sim, I'd assume you can keep taking the car to the limit and adjust the suspension tuning until you get push after the limit of adhesion as opposed to understeer. I'd also add, that in my experience you need to heavily use trail braking to be fast with this setup.
i just set the car up for oversteer on the entry and mid corner, and then use the damping and arb settings to make it have a strong rear on the exit :P cheat codes my friend, i get the best of both worlds
0:39 Uh what? Kimi generally liked a bit more oversteer than understeer...
How did I just NOW realize that Scott Mansell is Nigel Mansell’s son? Hahahaha everything makes so much more sense now.
Wait never mind, mr google says otherwise. You got me again Scott!
Because sometimes, when he mentions a person (which isn't his dad) that has "Mansel" in its name, he says not his dad. And since almost none were his dad, i guess it was hard to guess
@@256k_ nah it's basically just a meme lol
Why we all love driver 61?
Because his video are destinated to an ignorant (and mostly american) audience. Not bad in storytelling, just many imperfections and audience manipulating
WE don't. He can't even categorize driving styles properly.
Anyone who think Raikkonen prefers "understeer" does not understand F1.
Raikkonen prefers oversteer than any driver in modern history on corner entry.
It's why he struggled so much at Ferrari in his second stint, and hated the Lotus until mid season 2012.
Because the only record that the Porsch 919 Evo didn't beat was at Brands Hatch where he actually had the outright lap record.
Sexy accent.
Why are you on this video then?
.. Did you just put Kimi in understeer? E H M.
I dont think Kimi and seb are on their corresponding tier, Kimi likes oversteer while vettel does not like a loosy rear end
Correct. This video is totally wrong.
Vettel said he doesn’t like understeer. Probably just an agile balanced car maybe.
He doesn't like understeer. But he likes more rear grip than Kimi.@@paperplane-db8qf
Eeeh Kimi likes oversteer. Pedro De La Rosa and Ferrari team have said they couldn't believe how much front end Kimi prefers. Kimi would still be very strong on those Red Bull's even at his age.
I love understeer too I just can't get enough of kissing trees with my front bumper
Much better than going backwards into the tree 😂
Yeah, at least with understeer, I'll see the tree that kills me
If you vheck the list he made on understeer vs oversteer , most of the drivers with oversteer tend to have more flair in their driving. In other words, are very well know of being fast and aggressive. Meanwhile, understeer drivers tend to be more calm and consistent. But they can get aggressive from time to time. Interesting observation
Raikönnen understeer???
Such a big mistake in the video. They should take it down and repost.
Another thing to mention is that aggressively downshifting while turning and coasting can also help reduce mid-corner understeer as it is a sort of “rear brake only”. This is opposite to the commonly known “short-shifting” done to increase rear grip.
Its what i do in ACC with the AMG
I think it comes down to which aspects of cornering and grip feel a driver values. With various behaviors during different phases of all the variety of corners, It's tough to put drivers in 2 categories. The reality is less polarizing.
I'm confused, even in your previous Driver61 video on Danny Ric's driving style, you said that he liked a sticky front end, implying he's an oversteer-y driver
Yet here you have him among the understeer group
Yeah He's got a few drivers wrong in this. Ric, Kimi and to an extent Vettel and Senna
Great video and thx for mention brilliant, i almost forget to keep my streak.
I’m going to have to disagree about Ricciardo preferring understeer in his cars
Quite the contrary he brakes early but then lifts off and tries to carry a lot of speed through the corner which of course means he wants his cars to pivot on the front
This was the reason he struggled at McLaren
McLaren built cars that understeer and Ricciardo just didn’t have the confidence to carry that speed and expect the car to rotate
Instead he was having to brake more than he wanted and then he just didn’t have confidence it would turn in
Yeah he cant handle understeer at all
You can correct understeer, you need to keep some braking (Alonso likes engine braking) to shift the weight on the front. But you really need to nail your braking point otherwise you brake a lot and enter the corner too slow.
Also post apex you can trail in some gaß as the rear is not at the grip limit. Depending on weight transfer and level of downforce most of the load is on one rear tire anyway, so you can even rotate the car with a bit of gaß.
0:37 “Dad” what was that 😂
Pretty sure Scott's surname is Mansell...? might be wrong
Shared surnames. Not necessarily related.
@@brendanconnellan scotts surname is mansell but he is not nigel mansells son lmfao its been a running joke for a long time
his name is scott mansell, its just a joke
Mate, people were asking for Kimi's driving style video for years! Now after you put him in understeer camp you really need to explain your view on it, because maybe most of people are wrong including Brundle and Windsor among other guys, but I thought that Kimi loving oversteer is a common knowledge at this point.
Martin and Peter are not wrong, and neither are many others. Rob Wilson, Kimi’s coach in his early days, said Kimi likes a car that will follow its nose. It clearly excludes understeer, doesn’t it?
If he makes such video, I wouldn't believe it, simply because in this one he put Kimi in understeer bucket. There are many interviews with Kimi where he clearly states what car he likes and where he says “I hate it when there is no front end on the car,. This specific quote is from 2014 when he drove understeery tractor, in which Alonso felt very confident.
Love this content :D Keep it coming!
is Lewis being in the understeer camp a long term thing? he said himself a few years ago that when he was in mclaren he liked a pointy car but the low rake merc preferred a slight understeer balance
He likes oversteer 1000 percent, he is just wrong
@@jamal1493 No Lewis has said he prefers understeer to oversteer. He just can adapt to both. He also changes his driving style to the car.
In the 'Would You Rather' video on the F1 RUclips channel, Alonso was the only one to choose understeer over oversteer
Daniel Riccardo on understeer and lando norris in oversteer?!? When Danny ric was still in mclaren he struggled because of the understeery nature of the mclarens and lando is a bit more used to it so i think you might got it twisted because you also havea video that explains why danny struggled in a mclaren
Yeah Danny Ric should be oversteer imo. Pretty sure most of the Red Bull's he's driven, especially alongside Max, have tended towards oversteer. Kimi should also be oversteer, he famously likes a pointy front end and oversteer.
@@ThijsSH Kimi is massive oversteer on entry (less than Gilles and Keke on exit).
Ricciardo is also oversteer.
Lando is neutral/understeer.
This guy said so many things wrong in this one I'm starting to think he is a hack
Scott's videos are filled with errors
I recall you describing Hamilton's driving style as Schumacher 2.0 in a previous video. Was this referring to corner entry ability then?
Do you know which one again ?
I’d love to see a vid as to how they tune in different vehicle characteristics via the suspension mid corner.
Great topic and thanks for explaining....the hits today show that others appreciate it too :)
One of your most interesting vids. Thanks!
This video may have saved my life (or at the very least my car) the other night
Entered a corner a bit too ambitiously and recovered from some nasty understeer thanks to some of the principles you’ve taught me
In Nascar they call those being lose(oversteer) or being tight(understeer) and the same concepts are true in oval racing, shorter tighter with no banking seem lose setups and drivers that master that are faster, while on super high speed banked tracks a more tight understeer car seems more stable and planted. I am only a fan though and have zero driver insight. awesome video!
oversteer is always faster if u can handle it. the pivot point of the car is in the middle of it, so for maximum rotation, a little oversteer is needed.
I never thought any driver likes understeer
I love having the capacity for both, which is why I've resisted replacing my rear suspension in my fwd car which tends to cause my car to tend towards oversteer.
When the snow comes I regularly get out and practice sliding so I recalibrate my assometer.
Off topic but I love the scream of the early 2000s engines with the 20K rpm, when the driver pancakes the accelerator to the firewall. Always gives me Goosebumps.
I think if the car is more rear bias (understeer). You can hv more control during the corner because it can be balanced with throttle and brake. For example, you can induce oversteer by adding throttle while left foot still on the brake
Lots of wins and championships in that understeer group...🏁🏁🏁
Great video and great channel. Stupid question dose big feet make it harder to heal toe in a race car. Cheers from Canada 🍻
Another thing that can also be done, namely by Senna, is correct understeer using the throttle. If you have supreme throttle control you can use the throttle to turn the car. However, this is more commonly used in touring cars as they simply dont have any cornering grip due to the lack of downforce
I'm not sure about this. I believe the car would really need to be set up for this, because hitting the gas while having more grip on the rear will shift weight to the rear wheels, further decreasing grip on the front wheels. In addition to that, the car accelerates without increasing yaw turning speed. I'd say it's hard to make *that* work. I mean an understeering car won't even oversteer if you use the E-Brake (it will eventually, but not snappy, as needed). Except if you have stupid amounts of power and super fast throttle response to overcome grip faster than the weight shift happens. Ayrton Senna had huge laggy turbos though.
this doesnt work in F1 anymore, as we dont have v10's and v12 like we used to have back in the days
@kooooons it can work if the diff allows for it, or you have close to zero load on the inside rear tire. The idea is to send out torque to the outside rear tire. Idealy you would like breaking on the inside front tire. That way the car rotates in some sort of rotational power slide.
When opening the steering you can get really early traction, but you can get a really hot rear end as well ...
@@kooooons Simply go and watch some D1, you will notice it's common for them to control the sliding with throttle beeping, as long as you have enough toque to burn the rear.
@@kyuucampanello8446 I'd like to remind that I wrote: i think a car would need to be specifically set up for this. Then you suggested i watch some cars specifically set up for drifting? Also i don't think they would try and correct understeer with hitting the Gas, they control the drift angle and initiate drifts with it, but not out of understeer.
feels like understeer allows fast times more consistently, but a looser car is outright faster. This could also be the reason why perez is fast on street circuits, it gives him the confidence to push harder if he knows the car won't snap
Man I follow you almost since the beginning of your channel just now I found you’re Mansel’s son! So cool! Cheers from 🇧🇷
I think you hit the nail on the head. I've always set up my cars to be +1 on the understeer. Trailbraking and throttle can give you the tail out you're looking for. Most people think it's significantly one way or the other, but you just put it barely one way or the other. Significant oversteer didn't work for me because I'm too aggressive of a driver.
I've tried both. I like oversteer as a general rule because it feels fast but the stopwatch said I'm faster with understeer on a smaller track or in things with much more power than grip.
The faster the track or the less overpowered the tyres, the more oversteer helps.
Most of that is from karts but I've experienced similar in all the other things I've tried.
I tend to find it easier to lap fast with understeer than oversteer but it just dosn't feel as nice.
Understeer is just easier to control, you can take the corners more quickly since it is easier to judge how much speed you can carry through them. Obviously, I'm talking about optimal, small amounts of understeer. Whereas with oversteer, if you lose the back you're gonna lose a ton of time unless you actually spin out completely. So oversteer is definitely more aggressive, active driving style but understeer has always been faster for me.
I definitely prefer understeer, but (obviously) not too much. If you have the perfect amount of slight understeer, it makes judging exactly how much power you can hold through a corner is much easier. You simply watch the curve of your line, and if you are drifting too far outside you ease up on the gas. Slight oversteer can work too, it just requires more active hands to catch any snaps AND if you do snap you're gonna slow down a LOT.
Thanks for clarifying, I needed some clarification on the terms used here. Some people likened me to Alonso, now I see why.
0:37 - Funnily enough I was checking that out yesterday on Wikipedia after seeing Nigel in the FW14B at Silverstone
I love this stuff thank you
One error, Kimi loves oversteer. It’s fairly clear when watching his McLaren years.
Sim racing driver and setup maker here. Aka internet armchair expert not knowing much but giving his 2 cents.
I know it is highlighted how drivers adapt, but I strongly believe that drivers cannot be categorised at all in "towards understeer or towards oversteer" as it largely depends on what the car, and especially tyres, like. From one year to another, depending on the car and its forgiveness, drivers completely change how they cope with the real thing they hate: unpredictable handling at the limit. Sometimes it involves making the car very understeery as it is the only way to make it predictable, sometimes not. Sometimes the rear tyres need to be protected, sometimes not.
Alonso's style nowadays is not even remotely comparable to how it was in 2005 as it used to be much more understeer focused, a trait that the Renault loved. it cannot even be summed up as "tyres from that era" as the Mclarens had the exact opposite in terms of handling, yet were usually fast in the hands of Raikkonen.
Raikkonen's style in his McLaren days was ridiculously pointy, to the point that he made many corners with the steering wheel just aimed straight.
Hamilton's style in the 2007-2008 era was almost identical to Raikkonen, so it is a car design thing. regarding Hamilton, even in the 2017-2018 years, he coped with a car full of oversteer. Yet in 2020, it was very planted.
As pointed out and as far as I can tell from making setups, every single fast driver prefers understeer in any given situation if the car allows to be fast with it, but only very tiny amounts. It is safer without sacrificing much qualifying speed and always better for tyre management. The difference is in how much they accept to cope with some oversteer to remove the excess of understeer in other stages of the corner.
I was at the Hungaroring, close to turn 14, in 2022 and watched Lewis catching up, and it was impressive to see the gains he made in turn 14, the immense grip he had going out of the corner, this was so much more than other cars. For sure made possible by having a bit of understeer at first.
Just out of curiosity - of all the drivers you looked at that day, who impressed you most?
@@Michael.KoulibalyProbably Hamilton since he can describe it detailedly
im an understeer enjoyer, it make the car comfortable, yes it makes the car less responsive but it can be worked with and is far less dangerous mid corner and i thats why i like it it just makes it cleaner, maybe slower but limiting the dangers of driving and that grip makes me learn to focus on exit speed
I attended a Bounderante racing school years ago and he was a big fan of "Trail braking". it allowed you to play with both understeer and oversteer in particular corners so a neutral car was best to get the most.
in F1 you do trail braking in every single corner with every car
Amazing research! /s
2013 was his first merc season! 2014 is his first merc WC season!
Thanks for the vid!
I personally think a lot of the speed of an understeery setup comes from having confidence in knowing that the rear grips.
Bro u r Absolutely Correct
As a sim driver myself I prefer understeer and I'm really fast with it...when I tell that to some friends from online racing leagues most of them say they like oversteer...
I think I saw Rubens Barrichello say he likes understeery cars too
I like understeer too! I left foot brake perfectly on my RWD road car & its something i like when pushing it a bit 😅
This video opened my eyes, I never knew I have always been on the understeer side, I thought my driving was sh@t because I don't have those subtle steering input going in and out, now I know which direction I can go deeper.
I thinks Kimi is more oversteer guy and Vettel understeer.
Went into that brilliant ad with plenty of oversteer. :P ... Also thanks for video's, they are pretty informative and entertaining. Almost as much as your dad's racing, if you read this, I wouldn't mind if you could pass on a thanks to him.
I really prefer an oversteery setup in more wheel-to-wheel racing circumstances because it makes it easier to drive the car on a variety of lines which will be needed when you’re constantly 2-3 wide.
Random, but would you be able to make a setup guide graphic like the one you all did for f12021
Fantastic job 🎉🎉🎉🎉
In every racing game I’ve been told that understeering is ALWAYS a bad thing, never a good one. While I quite liked driving cars (virtually) that were a bit on the understeering side. Fascinating to see that I’m likely not the only one.
8:33 You scandi flicked my mind with this one.. Me, from Finland, carting from 6 - 13 and former Semi-Pro-Simracer, is suddenly scared beeing driving understeery!? Then I realised it´s a double apex! 😉 No seriously, I´m happy you called out adaption.. And Räikkönen is well known for adapting to cars and circuits. In other words, there are numerous attempts to a corner based on your racecar, setup abilities and what is the fastest way around.
Bad location for a comparison but I add it anyway. ruclips.net/video/Au3x3N9Plmk/видео.html
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was that you!?!😲😲😲
what an overtake mate!!!
Fantastic video, very well explained... if you could... could you give us your impressions of every 2023 F1 driver... it's for a friend ;)
Mid corner understeer is actually nice for corner exit. But... Understeer caused by a very grippy rear is different to understeer by a very lose front... Understeer on initial turn in is different to understeer on mid corner going for the exit.
I could be wrong though...
Imagine doing a video titled " why alonso loves understeer" and not show any of his onboards from his early Renault days when he was inducing crazy amounts of understeer.
yess finally this video is back up
Would be cool to look at all the current drivers on the grid instead of just the top guys. Would be very interesting to hear how driver styles vary throughout the current grid.
I want to see the setup video on how they change the grip balance
I met your dad in Northampton a few years ago and I have to say what a top bloke he is, looks like the apple didn't fall far from the tree! 👍
Nice it's back 😍
I think it's just better to say they like fast setups and are happy to deal with any understeer they might have to deal with because of it.
These 'F1 Driver Styles' videos are fascinating @Driver61. Can you please do one on every driver on the Grid? Ocon, Tsunoda, Stroll, Leclerc...
We would love to hear about all of their unique driving intricacies!
Why the interest in what those mediocre drivers prefer?
Every driver has a unique driving style and I want to see what techniques they use, which lines they typically take and how they differ from one another.
@@SenEscape @ciaronsmith4995 (who commented elsewhere in this comment section) has done a detailed driving style analysis of the whole 2022 grid last year in one of his community posts on his channel. Based on lots of onboards he watched. Here's his analysis of the driving styles for the drivers you requested:
Esteban Ocon: A driver with unspectacular inputs, but a smooth and well-managed driving style. Ocon prefers slight understeer in corners, but his smoother inputs means he has issues dealing with more significant understeer in high-speed sections as we have seen this year numerous times. Ocon's smooth approach lends itself well to tyre management and this really plays out well in race situations where he usually makes up numerous positions.
Ocon setup preference: Neutral; slight understeer
Yuki Tsunoda: Probably the "wildest" driving style on the grid as of current. Unlike his current teammate, Tsunoda doesn’t really like a car with understeer on entry. He likes to immediately rotate the car on entry and doesn’t seem to bothered with a moving rear. Everything he has shown though is that he has yet to learn how to properly control this driving style - he is prone to occasional mistakes when trying to carry significant entry speed into corners.
Tsunoda setup preference: Oversteer
Lance Stroll: Stroll is a totally reactive driver, who doesn't have a clear driving style in my view. He approaches a corner with extremely late braking and carries a lot of speed on the entry phase, with a little bit of oversteer. Up until the apex, it's clear what his strategy is, but then coming out corners Lance makes aggressive and busy adjustments, doing whatever it takes to straighten the car and get on the throttle early while settling the car. This can lead to inconsistent laps and a major contributor to his poor qualifying results, but similarly can help him in changeable conditions, where the drivers have to react quickly to new variables and not rely on "method".
Stroll setup preference: Slight Oversteer
Charles Leclerc: Leclerc claims he "doesn't have a driving style". Of course, this is incorrect - every driver has a preferred driving style. Charles prefers a car with a pointier nose, and manages the throttle, braking and steering into the corner very delicately -carrying great minimum apex speed. I find he tends to be slightly harder on his front tyres - this hurts him in race situations at times, and we have seen this play out with his teammate often times doing a better job with tyre management. Blingingly quick at his best, Leclerc has smooth inputs, brakes earlier than most, and likes a pointy car where he can quickly catch the rear end if it steps out. His driving style is the polar opposite to Vettel and Sainz, who prefer more rear-ended cars.
Leclerc setup preference: Oversteer
@@PsychedeliKompot you're a legend thank you so much!!
Vettel doesn’t like oversteer. He’s more of a understeer driver. Vettel loves a stable, balanced planted rear end where he makes a V turn as he approaches a corner. Understeer provides more rear grip than front grip. Give Vettel a car that oversteers and he struggles. This was shown in 2014, 2019 and 2020.
As a seasoned sim racer (yes, please crucify me), I’m in the oversteer camp. If I know that a car will slide easily, I know that I can adapt myself to its evolving limits as tires wear and fuel burns down. An understeery car, on the other end, never gets any better - rather, it tends to get more severe throughout a run, which, ultimately, becomes frustrating and overheats tires.
Great insights! I think you got Kimi and Seb backwards though.
„If you see the tree you're about to hit, you have understeer. If you just hear it, you have oversteer.“
Walter Röhrl
My understanding of preferring understeer from playing Gran Turismo is that it gives you more fine-control over how much you're steering.
At the highest speeds, even the slightest mistake can cause you to miss a turn, so adding some understeer will let you steer without it being catastrophic.
Since Driver University it was a thing that i usually asked myself and some of my racing colleages ..... and finally we have a resolution.... that Mansell surname it's for Real (TM)!!! nice to know!!!
6:02 this is exactly my preferred line. i personally call it "squaring the turn" or "squaring the corner" as it just fits in my mind. But i have ALOT of success with this technique when it's applicable, as in this graphic it's the perfect line to out speed the opponent on the white line on the pit straight coming up. Sometimes the racing line is up to interpretation and is totally situational. The best drivers know this.
I call it " late apex "
@@martf1061 yeah tbh looking at the graphic again, i dip in a fraction before the line shows so it actually does make more of a square. it's slightly different from a late apex.
I learned to drive fast and on track in FWD cars. So I am really good at driving around it and getting any car rotated. But I hate understeer.
I was always more consistent and faster with a touch of understeer be it in a kart, track car, simulator, autocross or racing radio controlled cars. Just feels better to me, you have to get the car rotated earlier but that's where the skill comes in getting an understeering car to rotate on the entry/mid corner.
Nothing you can do on exit unless you have bucket loads of torque/power in reserve.
You're going to have to give away some time somewhere during the corner might as well be in the middle and get as much out of the entry and exit as possible with some understeer, rather than trying to maintain a higher mid speed at the cost of entry and exit.
I need all those videos that you promised by saying "That's for another video".