The Jibber Jabber & Jane Porter. Search Thames TV Richard Hudson Land Rover 1970, Chris Geoffrey and Tony Bastable they were television presenters from the 1970s. You will find mostly RUclips videos. You could search Freemantle media and ITV as Thames was a franchise of ITV network, continuing on independently. I'm not sure if DVD box sets are available from the Land Rover and motoring series. There's an email address and quote number in the Thames TV channel discription for the channel's owner you could contact and enquire. Below link from the Land Rover Series Ⅲ repair and maintenance. motor-car.net/bl/item/12280-british-leyland-history Cheers.
It's the very first production (number 1) Land Rover and is on display at the British Motor Museum at Gaydon, in Warwickshire. I was there on the 2nd January.
@@crashbox7130 they keep it at gaydon with collection but its used a solihull for promo work as ive seen it to. Its still a good off roader despite its age.
The early Land Rovers were very agricultural machines but that was part of their beauty. While not problem-free, and slow, uneconomical and not very comfortable, they still have a huge appeal. I can confirm that my uncle used his for many years to get to the far reaches of his muddy farm - and now retired, still drives a L-R. I think that’s some serious brand loyalty.
22AJ55 I don’t remember one. I learned to drive it in a field aged 13 and remember clearly wrestling with the wheel. I also don’t remember seeing one when we took it apart and put it back together. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. Just that I don’t remember it. I shall check what my dad remembers...
Thomas Hillier, I believe it was standard on S3 LWB models and probably an option on earlier models but my memory may be a little rusty as it’s been a long time since I owned a series ! My Defenders all had a steering damper.
Irish Partizan - yeah hot summers then were just called weather. This was before climate change, before global warming, before the hole in the ozone layer, it may even have been before the ice age we were supposedly heading for.
That last model - chilled drinks cabinet, phone etc. Very nice, but there are no wing mirrors and the headlights appear to be nicked off a Ford Granada of the time.
I still miss my 1971 2 1/4L Series IIA 88." I must have put 200,000 miles on that car, withstanding long highway drives to NYC from my home in the south, serious bushwhacking in the mountains and piedmont of upper South Carolina, a number of years in Atlanta, GA, where it got around like a Challenger II tank amongst thin-skinned BMWs and Japanese cars. Finally, "Nemesis," my pet name for her, just needed a fourth rear main oil seal, a second gearbox rebuild, and was getting close to it's second "bottom end rebuild." That just did it, I just didn't have it in me anymore. So many stories... a 5,000lb winch on the front bumper used quite often, but only to help others as I never needed it myself. I brought my son home in it from hospital after he was born in 1980. Finally tiring of the anaemic Zenith carburetor and replacing it with a Weber two-barrel, added lockout from hubs and a Fairey overdrive. Those of you in the know will understand that when being asked the top speed, I could make it all the way to "cold start." On a filming assignment in Kenya, I asked the head of the Kenya Wildlife Service what he thought of Land-Rovers. Well, Sah, he replied, "We tried the American jeeps and they lasted about six months. The Toyota Land Cruisers about a year, and the Land-Rovers about three years before they needed any work on the carriage." Back in the late 1980s when there, it seemed Kenya had about 20 meters of paved road, and none of it went where we needed to go. It was the best, most beloved car I ever had, but now I wouldn't touch what they have the unmitigated gall to label a Land Rover. That's a part of the past I'll miss, but always remember. - Oh, and by the way, I still drive with my thumbs resting along the rim of the steering wheel rather than looped inside like most drivers. Hit a bad enough rut in a Land Rover, and you'll have a broken thumb from that spinning wheel before you can get your hands off!
Alberto Gutierrez Hernandez Looks like Mk1 Ford Granada headlights. Wood and Pickett pretty much just put parts from other cars on the exterior of their conversions,
No because a defender you can fix beside the road the new pretender absolutly not. And i can know i own for 30 years a 1971 gray LR 109 that i have restored fully myself. i call here donkey, she is stubern as hell, sometimes bites, and functions good ofroad . Well maintained and LUCAS parts exorcised, they soldier on for ever.(between repairs)
I learned to drive in a lightweight so I kind of have a soft spot for the old land pigs and it made every other car I have driven since feel like luxury.
We have 1968 short chassis hardtop, it breaks down more often than the land cruiser. Land cruisers are better than land rover. We keep the land rover out of nostalgia (emotional attachment with the past).
a mate of mine bought one of the run out last Defenders - got taken on a factory visit. He said all the new stuff featured robots installing doors etc and guys in white coats looking at screens to check it was all going right. Move to the hall where the Defender was made and there was a cast of thousands he said with men offering up doors and people joggling and banging stuff to make it fit. Its an ancient design and his has the sort of rust / reliability issues of a 60's vehicle. He keeps renewing his warranty as thats cheaper than paying for repairs though the warranty is NOT cheap. Its still worth more or less what he paid for it after 5 years or so. The new one is an assault on the eyes and will never engender the love the original generated though.
shazash1 ok I confess I didn't spend too much time looking up how much it was worth now. First answer , then write the comment. However even if it's 18k the new" defender " is not going to be as durable , versatile or trashable and still 2 1/2 times the price. A series nut
@@highdownmartin I totally agree with you about the new defender, its going to be nowhere near as durable as the original. It's all about the looks, that's all.
£2500 for a 109pu! Can I time travel back, buy a few and store them? £2.5k wont get you a basket case today. Nice to see a time when solihull sloggers were a good news story. Right were's my piggy bank????
So does that teach you that it is shit? If you are a farmer the land rover is useful....other than that it is shit...it drives badly....the steering is more than vague.. the engines are badly made and designed...it leaks water....it has more wind noise than me farting in your ear...it will already be rusting and corroding before it has left the factory floor. Leave Land Rovers to rot.
really? my 1972 datsun 1200 stationwagon uncannily resembling the range rover in the video but smaller survived to 2000, only to be deregisted because the law in my country said i need to pay 30,000usd to keep it another 10 more years!!
Just a little quirky tidbit from Australia. When Land Rover first changed the metal grill to a plastic type, the ringers (farm hands and stockmen) were pretty brassed off with Leyland because the men then needed to carry a separate barbecue plate for the campfire. How thoughtless Mr Leyland!!! Land Rovers built Australia, New Zealand, most of Africa, Malaysia, the Pacific Islands and now all those sales have gone to Asian manufacturers. Sad isn't it, how the unions and incompetent executives stuffed Britain.
Back i the late 1980's a customer of mine, who restored RM Riley's, saw a little green, 1948 4x4 in the workshop and came out with one the most memorable sayings......"dear god, a series one Land Rover! The most hideous thing devised by man!"
Very Interesting Vehicles the Early Land Rovers Series 1 / 2 / 3 109 Petrol & Diesel’s. I’d own both the Series 3 109 Petrol & Diesel & Series 3 TDI 1995 N Reg Model
Series 3 109 diesel Easily the slowest vehicle ever I was even overtaken by a split window kombi full of surfers and hippy’s-going up hill How embarrassing I replaced the engine with a six cylinder Holden 186 That did the trick with the aid of an overdrive
jimmy bob oh yeah I can only imagine! The excellent thing about older cars is that you can fix them yourself. Also other items like utilities purchased back then could be taken to a repair man like the TV etc rather than having them dumped in the tip every year or few years at best.
sad really, thay were on the verge of having there globel sales wiped out by toyota and other 4x4 from japan from the late 70s onwards, i read somewhere landover had 90 odd percent of all australian 4x4 market sales around the mid 70s by the late 80s i think it had shrunk to less than 20 percent. total landslide loss. it had been a layland sucess story right till around when thay were filming this ironicly.
@@kamrankhan-lj1ng landrover defender was one of the first vehicles to get through swamps and deserts to take critical supplies to most parts of the third world....simple but very effective :)
In the eighties our mechanics will always choose Toyota land cruisers over land rovers when selecting vehicles from our fleet for field service. Land rovers are hot, noisy and slow .
4:27 £ 2.200,00... That's just shy of £ 20.000,00 in today's money. If Land Rover made a basic real Defender for £ 20.000,00 again, they'd be up to their ears in orders. We need massive government deregulation so the fun cheap stuff can come back. Cheers
flight2k5 well I don’t entirely agree, I think dynamically Toyota are way behind Land rover, the Land Cruiser is an aged old thing you can’t compare them to the latest Range Rovers. Land Rover reliability is shocking though and I feel they pushed the brand to far upmarket, there’s nothing for the average Joe in the range now. Series Landies and FJ40 Cruisers were great vehicles and yes the FJ was more refined I agree, but today both companies are very different and not all Toyotas offerings are great. Other manufacturers catch up and no company can afford to stand still and rest on their laurels.
These little snippets are so interesting, come on Thames issue a full episode occasionally
Agreed
The Jibber Jabber & Jane Porter.
Search Thames TV Richard Hudson Land Rover 1970, Chris Geoffrey and Tony Bastable they were television presenters from the 1970s. You will find mostly RUclips videos.
You could search Freemantle media and ITV as Thames was a franchise of ITV network, continuing on independently.
I'm not sure if DVD box sets are available from the Land Rover and motoring series.
There's an email address and quote number in the Thames TV channel discription for the channel's owner you could contact and enquire.
Below link from the Land Rover Series Ⅲ repair and maintenance.
motor-car.net/bl/item/12280-british-leyland-history
Cheers.
Thanks THAMES TV for Share us this wonderful Moments, it's a beautiful car!!
HUE 166 is still taxed! Green petrol Land Rover, 1949.
Its owned by Land Rover
Its used for promos by lr. I've met it at Solihull. You want to give a hug like some kindly uncle.
It's the very first production (number 1) Land Rover and is on display at the British Motor Museum at Gaydon, in Warwickshire. I was there on the 2nd January.
@@crashbox7130 they keep it at gaydon with collection but its used a solihull for promo work as ive seen it to. Its still a good off roader despite its age.
It will be all the while vehicle tax is required - even if free for old vehicles !
The early Land Rovers were very agricultural machines but that was part of their beauty. While not problem-free, and slow, uneconomical and not very comfortable, they still have a huge appeal. I can confirm that my uncle used his for many years to get to the far reaches of his muddy farm - and now retired, still drives a L-R. I think that’s some serious brand loyalty.
That front wheel wobble is astonishing! Steering kickback was awful in those. My Dad had a 1973 109 when I was a teenager. A tricky drive...
Pre-dates the bright idea of adding a steering damper!
Phil Healey, a steering damper was standard on LWB models.
@@AJ-qn6gd Fresh item on Series 3 or did S2 / 2a get it ? My 109 Series One definitely didn't have one but my 1990 110 Defender CSW did.
22AJ55 I don’t remember one. I learned to drive it in a field aged 13 and remember clearly wrestling with the wheel. I also don’t remember seeing one when we took it apart and put it back together. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. Just that I don’t remember it. I shall check what my dad remembers...
Thomas Hillier, I believe it was standard on S3 LWB models and probably an option on earlier models but my memory may be a little rusty as it’s been a long time since I owned a series ! My Defenders all had a steering damper.
Shot during the scorching hot summer of '76.
I can vaguely remember it being very hot even though I was less than 3 years old !!!!!
Irish Partizan - yeah hot summers then were just called weather. This was before climate change, before global warming, before the hole in the ozone layer, it may even have been before the ice age we were supposedly heading for.
@@markfox1545 Ha ha yes in those days they said we were heading for 'global cooling' and another ice age after a few harsh winters.
before global warming
Republican genetics, squandered potential. Self ruination from a class based society. All stamped in aluminum.
That 109-inch pickup truck is my dream car!
Watching this gives me a smile almost as wide as the presenters flares 😆
that is the power of 70s nostalgia.
That last model - chilled drinks cabinet, phone etc. Very nice, but there are no wing mirrors and the headlights appear to be nicked off a Ford Granada of the time.
Wing mirrors are mounted on the bonnet.
@@TheHoipoloi God, they're tiny! Thanks. My eyes were drawn to the ugliness of those lights.
HUE 166 still exists, and has been reunited with its original owner!
I still miss my 1971 2 1/4L Series IIA 88." I must have put 200,000 miles on that car, withstanding long highway drives to NYC from my home in the south, serious bushwhacking in the mountains and piedmont of upper South Carolina, a number of years in Atlanta, GA, where it got around like a Challenger II tank amongst thin-skinned BMWs and Japanese cars. Finally, "Nemesis," my pet name for her, just needed a fourth rear main oil seal, a second gearbox rebuild, and was getting close to it's second "bottom end rebuild." That just did it, I just didn't have it in me anymore.
So many stories... a 5,000lb winch on the front bumper used quite often, but only to help others as I never needed it myself. I brought my son home in it from hospital after he was born in 1980. Finally tiring of the anaemic Zenith carburetor and replacing it with a Weber two-barrel, added lockout from hubs and a Fairey overdrive. Those of you in the know will understand that when being asked the top speed, I could make it all the way to "cold start."
On a filming assignment in Kenya, I asked the head of the Kenya Wildlife Service what he thought of Land-Rovers. Well, Sah, he replied, "We tried the American jeeps and they lasted about six months. The Toyota Land Cruisers about a year, and the Land-Rovers about three years before they needed any work on the carriage." Back in the late 1980s when there, it seemed Kenya had about 20 meters of paved road, and none of it went where we needed to go.
It was the best, most beloved car I ever had, but now I wouldn't touch what they have the unmitigated gall to label a Land Rover. That's a part of the past I'll miss, but always remember. - Oh, and by the way, I still drive with my thumbs resting along the rim of the steering wheel rather than looped inside like most drivers. Hit a bad enough rut in a Land Rover, and you'll have a broken thumb from that spinning wheel before you can get your hands off!
The front on that Range Rover would look better after a crash. - 5:36
Must admit for an early one, it was quite a disappointment.
Loved the look of those early ones.
First time for me to see that specific "front"... i'm now curious about it.
Haha! but very true.
Alberto Gutierrez Hernandez Looks like Mk1 Ford Granada headlights. Wood and Pickett pretty much just put parts from other cars on the exterior of their conversions,
Alot of repeat sales were squandered and people moved over to the Japanese competition
Nice to see that. I don't know if the new Defender will catch on in the same way as it's ancestors.
No spare parts available anymore in 5-10 years because they want you to buy a new car.
The new Defender was designed by an old toff, not a millennial, who values form over function.
No because a defender you can fix beside the road the new pretender absolutly not.
And i can know i own for 30 years a 1971 gray LR 109 that i have restored fully myself.
i call here donkey, she is stubern as hell, sometimes bites, and functions good ofroad .
Well maintained and LUCAS parts exorcised, they soldier on for ever.(between repairs)
its still going strong almost 50yrs from this prehistoric video
...and it is still shit.
I learned to drive in a lightweight so I kind of have a soft spot for the old land pigs and it made every other car I have driven since feel like luxury.
You'd be hard pressed to find a luxury vehicle with as many accessory options like......
Heater
Doors
Roof
Welder
...of the top of my head.
I will give you that.
I learned to drive in a Toyota Starlet...my first virgin drive was in a LHD 2CV...
Maid of all work ... I've never heard of that as an alternative to Jack of all trades
"Can do everything"
In theme, I'd like to see it milk cows !
I got me a fully restored 1978 series III. Great fun.
I have seen and touched both of these cars!
They are both total shit...but people are wierd.
jimmy bob. Total shit? Similar to your spelling then...
£2,200 for a brand new Land Rover. You couldn't buy a scrap one for that now.😢😢😢
Here in Australia there' were many trundling around . They seemed to fade away, another victim of the landcruiser, and lots of promotional money.
We have 1968 short chassis hardtop, it breaks down more often than the land cruiser. Land cruisers are better than land rover. We keep the land rover out of nostalgia (emotional attachment with the past).
a mate of mine bought one of the run out last Defenders - got taken on a factory visit. He said all the new stuff featured robots installing doors etc and guys in white coats looking at screens to check it was all going right.
Move to the hall where the Defender was made and there was a cast of thousands he said with men offering up doors and people joggling and banging stuff to make it fit. Its an ancient design and his has the sort of rust / reliability issues of a 60's vehicle. He keeps renewing his warranty as thats cheaper than paying for repairs though the warranty is NOT cheap. Its still worth more or less what he paid for it after 5 years or so.
The new one is an assault on the eyes and will never engender the love the original generated though.
5:01 The wheels, tyres and seats on that Range Rover... what a mess.
Cheers
Why is that
Money cannot buy good taste !
Land Cruiser . Hideous isn’t it? The decade that taste forgot...
I wonder if Graham Robson the motoring historian ever wrote a book on the subject...
£2200 in 1976 worth approximately 10 grand now. New" defender" is 45 grand. Forget it. It'll never be a workhorse
sorry but £2500 in 1976 is more like £18000 today
shazash1 ok I confess I didn't spend too much time looking up how much it was worth now. First answer , then write the comment. However even if it's 18k the new" defender " is not going to be as durable , versatile or trashable and still 2 1/2 times the price. A series nut
@@highdownmartin I totally agree with you about the new defender, its going to be nowhere near as durable as the original. It's all about the looks, that's all.
If Leyland just kept churning out these, minis and their large trucks theyd still be around.
£2500 for a 109pu! Can I time travel back, buy a few and store them? £2.5k wont get you a basket case today. Nice to see a time when solihull sloggers were a good news story. Right were's my piggy bank????
2500 in 1976 is over 18000 in 2020.
@@regenjo Still cheap, the new one is the fat end of £40k...
So does that teach you that it is shit?
If you are a farmer the land rover is useful....other than that it is shit...it drives badly....the steering is more than vague.. the engines are badly made and designed...it leaks water....it has more wind noise than me farting in your ear...it will already be rusting and corroding before it has left the factory floor.
Leave Land Rovers to rot.
@@jimmybob3756 ahh an expert. Thery're made of aluminium. They dont rust. If you didnt know that you dont know anything about landys.
Oh sorry corrode...the chassis is steel...the panels are joined with steel rivets...
I still drive around in my '75 series 3. Perkins Prima diesel helps keep the cost of fuel down. Would I sell it, no way. Love it.
The white 109 was scrapped in 1990 14years is not very long time to be on the road
nw8000
It might have been an insurance company write-off.
Either way, 14 years was a long life for a 70s car
really? my 1972 datsun 1200 stationwagon uncannily resembling the range rover in the video but smaller survived to 2000, only to be deregisted because the law in my country said i need to pay 30,000usd to keep it another 10 more years!!
It depends where you are. In the UK and much of Europe either rust or heavy depreciation see off a lot of cars. In the 70s 10 years was very good.
Just a little quirky tidbit from Australia. When Land Rover first changed the metal grill to a plastic type, the ringers (farm hands and stockmen) were pretty brassed off with Leyland because the men then needed to carry a separate barbecue plate for the campfire. How thoughtless Mr Leyland!!!
Land Rovers built Australia, New Zealand, most of Africa, Malaysia, the Pacific Islands and now all those sales have gone to Asian manufacturers. Sad isn't it, how the unions and incompetent executives stuffed Britain.
Lovely stuff 👍🏼 👍🏼
I’d own all of my Classic Range Rover 70’s / 80’s / 90’s R.R. Cars right up to Range Rover P38
Back i the late 1980's a customer of mine, who restored RM Riley's, saw a little green, 1948 4x4 in the workshop and came out with one the most memorable sayings......"dear god, a series one Land Rover! The most hideous thing devised by man!"
It had more admirable and honest character to it, than any of the manga-inspired freak show monstrosities now.
I wonder who would dislike this🙉
Very Interesting Vehicles the Early Land Rovers Series 1 / 2 / 3 109 Petrol & Diesel’s. I’d own both the Series 3 109 Petrol & Diesel & Series 3 TDI 1995 N Reg Model
Drove a series3 L/R around Australia in the early 80’s
Still having trips to Chiropratic clinic today
Not my fondest four wheeling Memory
Series 3 109 diesel
Easily the slowest vehicle ever
I was even overtaken by a split window kombi full of surfers and hippy’s-going up hill
How embarrassing
I replaced the engine with a six cylinder Holden 186
That did the trick with the aid of an overdrive
I've got a .74 series. The wife won't get in it 😁 absolutely horrible thing. Not the wife 🥺
still have our 1978 series iii
The ute is the best one...you can even chuck a canopy on and camp.
Wish I could get a Series for £2,200 today 😂
The telephone :D
The latest Land Rover will not be built in the UK
@hffp1 sad but true, Land Rover have an appalling reputation for unreliable models
All companies are moving out. They can not afford to stay.
@M looks like a Skoda Yeti
Look at the shite coming out of that exhaust typical Land Rover 😂
70s style, so cool. I’m definitely one of those annoying ‘I wish I was an adult during the...’ commenters.
Go drive any Land Rover from the 70's lol. ..and then anything...even a Suzuki Jimmny....tell me which was better..
me too
jimmy bob oh yeah I can only imagine! The excellent thing about older cars is that you can fix them yourself. Also other items like utilities purchased back then could be taken to a repair man like the TV etc rather than having them dumped in the tip every year or few years at best.
I've got one for sale if anyone's interested in an old LR? Still motd and used regularly.
Overall good vehicle. Cornerstone for fhe British auto industry. I still hate the grille though.
sad really, thay were on the verge of having there globel sales wiped out by toyota and other 4x4 from japan from the late 70s onwards, i read somewhere landover had 90 odd percent of all australian 4x4 market sales around the mid 70s by the late 80s i think it had shrunk to less than 20 percent. total landslide loss. it had been a layland sucess story right till around when thay were filming this ironicly.
Ahhh Back when every single motoring reporter was a 'posh boy' I wonder why we were fooled for so long.??
They still are.
They re still being voted for all over the uk. Sadly
I'd buy one today if they still made them :).
You still can buy them! They will still be around than petrol is not anymore!
Awesome British engineering. ..stood the test of time!
You must be kidding
awful! most people say.
@@kamrankhan-lj1ng landrover defender was one of the first vehicles to get through swamps and deserts to take critical supplies to most parts of the third world....simple but very effective :)
@@Armanispice The Defender didn't come until 1990, so no it didn't.
@@PieAndChips series 1?
Wait.. A 1970's Range Rover with rectangular headlights?
In the eighties our mechanics will always choose Toyota land cruisers over land rovers when selecting vehicles from our fleet for field service. Land rovers are hot, noisy and slow .
Great for the liver? Eh?
just look at the smoke belching out of the series 1, needs new piston rings
Can't do - they never wear out, according to the film :)
Truck pickup yes my steve
Well they sure corrected that pesky problem of them lasting forever
God bless the Defender!
?????
@@millomweb A great car.
@@chroniclesofbap6170 I thought we were talking about Land Rovers here ?
@@millomweb We are. Land Rover Defender?!?
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@@chroniclesofbap6170 I'm afraid a Land Rover and a Defender are not the same thing.
range rover 12 grand ,landrover 2grand now compare to modern times
When land rovers were even more reliable than toyota!
who said that?
Wow first.....I think 🤔😮😂
@@deefenbakerone4369 either you got the wrong comment or you misunderstand, first comment is what I meant
Yup my bad.Thought you meant first landy. Ill go and be quiet somewhere. Sorry.
Yes you are, congrats man, keep up the good job!
I want one...
:43 'phenomenoM'?! 😄😃😂
4:27 £ 2.200,00... That's just shy of £ 20.000,00 in today's money. If Land Rover made a basic real Defender for £ 20.000,00 again, they'd be up to their ears in orders. We need massive government deregulation so the fun cheap stuff can come back.
Cheers
1x Hilux owner dislike.
4 Toyota owner dislikes by now
Make that five
Because Toyota’s are better 🤣😂
flight2k5 well I don’t entirely agree, I think dynamically Toyota are way behind Land rover, the Land Cruiser is an aged old thing you can’t compare them to the latest Range Rovers.
Land Rover reliability is shocking though and I feel they pushed the brand to far upmarket, there’s nothing for the average Joe in the range now.
Series Landies and FJ40 Cruisers were great vehicles and yes the FJ was more refined I agree, but today both companies are very different and not all Toyotas offerings are great.
Other manufacturers catch up and no company can afford to stand still and rest on their laurels.
Such a godawful front that of the range rover at the end of the video.
Hey LOVEN THAT BIT Of HUMAN Motoring History that is GRAHME🤓And His Tarten! BUT Not An Fan of THAT Stupid Shaky landRover Aye🤔😇..💂
Here they are now Morecambe & Wise
ruclips.net/video/0Y--DC6ANyg/видео.html
Awesome documentary, and ugly Range Rover front end... gezzzzz!!!
Why do people love brown clothes in the 70s?
I own a car. 1982 model for sale
такого страшного дизайна тачка. как в голову пришла такая позорная идея
That range rover was incredibly ugly up front.
Hideous, awful machines.
Im sure your soul will return one day, my child.
Says the bloke with Volvo in his name! 😂😂😂😂
@@gravydavy4188 like the 70s volvos.