In the Avata manual they specifically list the chemistry as Lithium Nickel Manganese Cobalt Oxide (LiNiMnCoO2) And it also says it has 7C discharge rate.
I've always thought $129 for a battery is way overpriced and IMO not having 3rd part charges is just part of their strategy to keep customer buying from them. I think the other reason is that I've always thought that the majority of DJI customers aren't tinkerers and they just want stuff that works which is ok.
You can bring a big LiPo fieldpack (with USB-C out port), a USB-C to USB-C cable and the Avata charge hub (single or fly more kit). Keeps you going all day!
Cool so a powerbank? Doesn't change the fact that you can only charge 1 battery at 45w instead of 3 batteries at a total of 135w. Hence reducing charge time of 3 batteries to 50 mins instead of 150 mins
Can you discharge the battery normally with the XT30 to XT60 connector without the special logic though or would that not work? Namely, if I had a spare Avata battery, could I use it directly on a self-built 4S FPV drone? If not, has anyone created an external adapter with that logic port that would allow using the avata batteries on other drones? Their energy density seems really good for the weight and if you already have the Avata Fly More Kit, you could potentially save on having to buy more batteries for your custom drones...
They had better, while it's semi convenient to charge the fullest battery first, it would be more convenient to charge 3 at one time. I've always bought 3rd party songle lane chargers to work around that limitation...until now 💩
Hi, DJI also lists the Mavic 3 battery as Li-Ion, but it is indeed a Li-Pol battery. I would like so see a third party make Li-Ion drone batteries that will allow keeping fully charged batteries on hand to get a drone up in the air fast without waiting to charge a Li-Pol battery. The DJI Mini 2 can use the Mini 1 Li-Ion batteries, nice.
The bigger question is what does the official charger charge them to and can you decase them and put an XT60 on them to take advantage of the extra capacity on a regular FPV drone? (Since it appears some DJI batteries charge all the way to 4.5v a cell).
Also, I'm pretty sure this is why Drone Camps said the drone has this yaw spin to death. Because the battery is a lithium ion and doesn't have the power for an extreme yaw spin. Maybe he should've read the specs on the actual battery before he made that statement. Wonder what he'll say now that we know it's a Lipo?
If it's a LiPo how they manage to get this high in regards to energy density? A TATTU R-Line (1300 mAh, 4S) weighs 163 g A DJI Avata Intelligent Flight Battery (4S, 2420 mAh) weighs 162g
Great video Ian as always! What do you think about those Avata's thirdparty Axisflying c157 motors? I would GENUINLY like to see your video about them. 🙏 Maybe installation video aswell. 🙂
MurdersFPV has a good video he posted this morning running them. They look like they work very well, eliminate the prop wash issue, and don’t really drain the battery bad. I’d rather see a cf prop guard :)
By the way, Ian. Do you know why, if the battery is a LiPo, it still holds nearly 100% charge after one week? Other DJI batteries are more empty after one week. Normal behaviour or faulty firmware?
The longer you leave a lipo charged the more the chemistry is damaged. Waiting a week to self discharge gives a better user experience as the battery isnt flat the following weekend, but it will drastically shorten the life. #dischargedaily
Don't some DJI drones have settings where you can tell the battery how many days before it starts discharging? And I know that most of them will delay one day every time you press the button to check the charge level.
@Killerbee ofc, i'm saying letting them rot longer before the battery self discharges is good for dji and end users feel better, but get shorter life as result
The battery connector on the Avata is almost identical to DJI's Robomaster S1. The two devices use the same number of cells. The Robomaster S1 uses Li Ion 18650 cells.
Maybe DJI is going to come up with their own charger that will charge the batteries for the Avata at once. That doesn’t seem so bad at all if 3rd party chargers are going to be as expensive.
Also possible, they're blocking chargers because they typically overcharge their own cells. Some SJI drones have been known to charge cells to 4.4 and 4.5v, which is well above typically HV's 4.35v...but I'm still hedging on DRM 🤣
I mean it makes sense tho. It’s multiple cells. You need a balance connection. Now the question is if it’s dji specific balance communication. Idk of any charger that will charge a lipo battery above a 2s without a balance connector
Great video! I'm looking to charge my Avata batteries using the fly more battery charger and also using my Toolkit RC M6D in power supply mode. I'm unsure what output vaultage and max current to use? Could you advise? Thanks.
The best USB C output for these is PD25 which is 12V * 2A. Of course PD60 20V * 3A works but i see no reason to fast charge and 12V is closer to the nominal voltage of the battery anyway.
I mean if you got the fly more then you have 2 chargers already. I mean it's not as good as the old 4 Port parallel chargers on the mavics but I honestly would spend $50 buying a 3rd party charger just to charge 3 at a time. I'd be more interested in 3rd party batteries. Like the dude that used to make 10000mah batteries for the mavic pro that gave it 30-40min flight times.
Hey thanks for the informational Video. Does anybody know if the connection is also required to discharge the dji lioos? Or colud we use the dji batteries potentially on other logrange lightweight fpv builts if in need? Or discharge to storage voltage after flying with a Standard lipo charger?
@@MadRC thanks alot for the clearification. So It will be intresting to see further ivestigation of AirCuiser (e.g. diy li ion dji fpv batteries ...) and those of the good people who are working on reverse engineering this protocol.
So schwer ist es also die original ladeelektronik das ladegerätes zu kopieren bzw nach zu bauen ? 🤔 Also ich möchte jetzt niemanden schlecht da stehen lassen oder so aber du kannst dir komplette Leiter Platin designen und dann bestellen so individuell wie du sie haben möchtest und danach mit den jeweiligen Komponenten/Bauteilen bestücken... Solange du dies nur für dich selber privat machst und nicht auf die Idee kommst es zu verkaufen oder so ähnlich denke ich nicht das ist so ein Problem darstellen sollte 😉
Somehow, it just feels safer for me to use the chargers the DJI Avata came in with than 3rd party chargers. I maybe overthinking but better safe than sorry.
You could be spot-on with this information buddy however. Because this is classed as a beginner drone because of the way it flies, and lets be honest anybody and their child could fly this thing, they could have done this for safety reasons because even though a beginner could fly it, not all beginners understand charges, and as you are well aware if you don't use your charger properly there can be a big bang. So I would like to think DJ I have done this for safety.
The safety argument does not really hold water as the charger is still in the battery. You literally can’t damage these with the wrong charger as it won’t let you. The adapter simply supplies constant voltage and current. Go out side of what DJI allow and it will shut down anyways. This is why there has been no issues in the past.
Only if DJI would provide themselves a decent parallel charger. The fly more charger they currently do will only charger the 4 batteries one by one. That means a full night of charging before going out to fly. Also, charging at the field is a no - no.
@@paultatar yes sure... Their strategy is to charge the "biggest" battery as fast as possible. So you can un plug it from the charger when fully charged. But it is not a // charger 😞
@@freedom2000 unfortunately DJI not only are not making a parallel charger themselves but also they make it difficult for the other 3d party manufacturers by encoding the connection to the battery. Typical DJI stuff.
Typical DJI lock-in bullshit. Call it "smart" and charge 6x the price for lipos. Now they have added DRM to charging too...worst part is the customers are paying for the extra hardware that keeps them from running market price lithium. Just like the 2S Samsung 18650 goggle batteries they sell for $45, when they're just 2x $3 cells + a BMS and DRM
I'm disappointed that nothing was said about what would be the best USB-c charger to use with the battery module. It accepts 5 volts at 3 amps (15 watts) 9 volts at 5 amps (45 watts) and 22 volts at 2.25 amps also 45 watts. Using a small USB-c charger like for a phone will take hours to charge it back up. But a laptop charger of the right voltage would charge it up three times faster!
This is all great and really smart people can figure this out. Does anyone think this is why DJI tries to becomes more and more proprietary? IMO, just leave it alone. This is why DJI has 20 different remotes and nothing works with anything. The reason they do this is to show their ass and say f- you, but we will give you a path to reverse engineer a frickin battery because we choose to do so. They're throwing a little bone. They could make this battery unsusceptible to reverse engineering if they chose to do so.
Do the WTF guys really have nothing else they want to work on? This seems like such a frugal project for them. I can't say I'm not impressed with everything they do, but yeah that was my first thought when you brought it up haha.
@@MadRC Sorry I didn't say the WTF team either, was merely referring to a guy/s in the WTF team/group. I was just surprised it would be of interest to them, but I guess what they are after is a challenge more than anything haha. No doubt all very clever talented people, I'm a big fan.
@@MadRC No doubt. Honestly the team should just start a drone company at this point, surely easier than reverse engineering then fixing everyones mistakes haha.
In the Avata manual they specifically list the chemistry as Lithium Nickel Manganese Cobalt Oxide (LiNiMnCoO2) And it also says it has 7C discharge rate.
I've always thought $129 for a battery is way overpriced and IMO not having 3rd part charges is just part of their strategy to keep customer buying from them. I think the other reason is that I've always thought that the majority of DJI customers aren't tinkerers and they just want stuff that works which is ok.
It is. It is already outdated and overpriced
To be fair all smart batteries from proprietary sources are expensive due to the custom pcb and firmware. Especially Spectrum tech.
You can bring a big LiPo fieldpack (with USB-C out port), a USB-C to USB-C cable and the Avata charge hub (single or fly more kit).
Keeps you going all day!
Cool so a powerbank? Doesn't change the fact that you can only charge 1 battery at 45w instead of 3 batteries at a total of 135w. Hence reducing charge time of 3 batteries to 50 mins instead of 150 mins
@@allthenamesaretaken2 or you can use the 65W charger
can u charge it with a power delivery powerbank and the original charging dock?
Yes absolutely
Can you discharge the battery normally with the XT30 to XT60 connector without the special logic though or would that not work? Namely, if I had a spare Avata battery, could I use it directly on a self-built 4S FPV drone? If not, has anyone created an external adapter with that logic port that would allow using the avata batteries on other drones? Their energy density seems really good for the weight and if you already have the Avata Fly More Kit, you could potentially save on having to buy more batteries for your custom drones...
Yeah I'd say DJI are going to bring out their own charger that will charge the batteries up all at once instead of sequential charging
They had better, while it's semi convenient to charge the fullest battery first, it would be more convenient to charge 3 at one time. I've always bought 3rd party songle lane chargers to work around that limitation...until now 💩
Hi, DJI also lists the Mavic 3 battery as Li-Ion, but it is indeed a Li-Pol battery. I would like so see a third party make Li-Ion drone batteries that will allow keeping fully charged batteries on hand to get a drone up in the air fast without waiting to charge a Li-Pol battery. The DJI Mini 2 can use the Mini 1 Li-Ion batteries, nice.
They list it correctly. Lipo is just a lithium ion polymer battery
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The bigger question is what does the official charger charge them to and can you decase them and put an XT60 on them to take advantage of the extra capacity on a regular FPV drone? (Since it appears some DJI batteries charge all the way to 4.5v a cell).
i'm surprised there's no long flight battery like the mini 3 pro
The first thing I thought at the beginning of the video was, “Looks like another puzzle for the WTF FPV guys.”
Can they just reverse engineer the fc so we can have normal mode on diy cinewhoops
Also, I'm pretty sure this is why Drone Camps said the drone has this yaw spin to death. Because the battery is a lithium ion and doesn't have the power for an extreme yaw spin. Maybe he should've read the specs on the actual battery before he made that statement. Wonder what he'll say now that we know it's a Lipo?
He has no clue half the time . Wouldn't take any of his videos too seriously as a product reviewer .
If it's a LiPo how they manage to get this high in regards to energy density?
A TATTU R-Line (1300 mAh, 4S) weighs 163 g
A DJI Avata Intelligent Flight Battery (4S, 2420 mAh) weighs 162g
Great video Ian as always! What do you think about those Avata's thirdparty Axisflying c157 motors? I would GENUINLY like to see your video about them. 🙏 Maybe installation video aswell. 🙂
MurdersFPV has a good video he posted this morning running them. They look like they work very well, eliminate the prop wash issue, and don’t really drain the battery bad. I’d rather see a cf prop guard :)
@@SkeezyFPV good video. Amazing upgrade as well. I'm considering digging it myself... 💙💙
Mikey
@@PhillyDroneLife Looking forward to it Mikey! 👌
@@SkeezyFPV yeah, saw that. Good one. Cf prop guard would be nice!
did that guy end up ever getting to reverse engineer it, problem is i have a dead avata battery and im guessing there is a way to reset it
Could it be they adjust the voltage according to the current state of the battery
By the way, Ian. Do you know why, if the battery is a LiPo, it still holds nearly 100% charge after one week? Other DJI batteries are more empty after one week. Normal behaviour or faulty firmware?
The longer you leave a lipo charged the more the chemistry is damaged. Waiting a week to self discharge gives a better user experience as the battery isnt flat the following weekend, but it will drastically shorten the life. #dischargedaily
Don't some DJI drones have settings where you can tell the battery how many days before it starts discharging? And I know that most of them will delay one day every time you press the button to check the charge level.
@@kurtzFPV Never heard of that. The user manual says: The battery will discharge to 60% when idle for five days. My batteries stay close to 100%.
@@Fly_High_FPV DJI has smart batteries. They should auto-discharge.
@Killerbee ofc, i'm saying letting them rot longer before the battery self discharges is good for dji and end users feel better, but get shorter life as result
MacBook chargers work good. It’s got the amps and volts to make it fast charge.
hello, any news about 3prt chargers for avata battery?
The battery connector on the Avata is almost identical to DJI's Robomaster S1. The two devices use the same number of cells. The Robomaster S1 uses Li Ion 18650 cells.
Great video 👍
Maybe DJI is going to come up with their own charger that will charge the batteries for the Avata at once. That doesn’t seem so bad at all if 3rd party chargers are going to be as expensive.
Also possible, they're blocking chargers because they typically overcharge their own cells. Some SJI drones have been known to charge cells to 4.4 and 4.5v, which is well above typically HV's 4.35v...but I'm still hedging on DRM 🤣
I mean it makes sense tho. It’s multiple cells. You need a balance connection. Now the question is if it’s dji specific balance communication. Idk of any charger that will charge a lipo battery above a 2s without a balance connector
is it normal that the new battery comes only with 1 light on, that would be 20% full only ??
Great video! I'm looking to charge my Avata batteries using the fly more battery charger and also using my Toolkit RC M6D in power supply mode. I'm unsure what output vaultage and max current to use? Could you advise? Thanks.
The best USB C output for these is PD25 which is 12V * 2A. Of course PD60 20V * 3A works but i see no reason to fast charge and 12V is closer to the nominal voltage of the battery anyway.
I mean if you got the fly more then you have 2 chargers already. I mean it's not as good as the old 4 Port parallel chargers on the mavics but I honestly would spend $50 buying a 3rd party charger just to charge 3 at a time.
I'd be more interested in 3rd party batteries. Like the dude that used to make 10000mah batteries for the mavic pro that gave it 30-40min flight times.
good to see inside of the pack... A high power usb-c charger works well for me...but it would be nice to 3rd party packs...
Hey thanks for the informational Video. Does anybody know if the connection is also required to discharge the dji lioos? Or colud we use the dji batteries potentially on other logrange lightweight fpv builts if in need? Or discharge to storage voltage after flying with a Standard lipo charger?
Yes the battery will turn off if you try to discharge it with out the data connection.
@@MadRC thanks alot for the clearification. So It will be intresting to see further ivestigation of AirCuiser (e.g. diy li ion dji fpv batteries ...) and those of the good people who are working on reverse engineering this protocol.
So schwer ist es also die original ladeelektronik das ladegerätes zu kopieren bzw nach zu bauen ? 🤔
Also ich möchte jetzt niemanden schlecht da stehen lassen oder so aber du kannst dir komplette Leiter Platin designen und dann bestellen so individuell wie du sie haben möchtest und danach mit den jeweiligen Komponenten/Bauteilen bestücken...
Solange du dies nur für dich selber privat machst und nicht auf die Idee kommst es zu verkaufen oder so ähnlich denke ich nicht das ist so ein Problem darstellen sollte 😉
What do you mean you can feel it on the drone? That's the weak motors, not the battery.
Thanks!
Can anyone help me answer how explosion proof this battery is ? I am trying to do a visual inspection of a vessel with AVATA due tight spaces.
Pretty interesting indeed, Ian! Thanks! 😊
I hope someone hacks it soon enough!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
How many charges can it do, 100 just like FPV ??
Somehow, it just feels safer for me to use the chargers the DJI Avata came in with than 3rd party chargers. I maybe overthinking but better safe than sorry.
You could be spot-on with this information buddy however. Because this is classed as a beginner drone because of the way it flies, and lets be honest anybody and their child could fly this thing, they could have done this for safety reasons because even though a beginner could fly it, not all beginners understand charges, and as you are well aware if you don't use your charger properly there can be a big bang. So I would like to think DJ I have done this for safety.
The safety argument does not really hold water as the charger is still in the battery. You literally can’t damage these with the wrong charger as it won’t let you. The adapter simply supplies constant voltage and current. Go out side of what DJI allow and it will shut down anyways. This is why there has been no issues in the past.
It appears more likely to be the legal department that touts "for safety". DJI don't want to be sued when a 3rd party charger made the toy go boom.
Only if DJI would provide themselves a decent parallel charger. The fly more charger they currently do will only charger the 4 batteries one by one. That means a full night of charging before going out to fly. Also, charging at the field is a no - no.
Fly more charger is 4A... while single charger is 2.8A. So the flyMore charges really faster than the single charger !
@@freedom2000 still, it's only charging one battery at the time. It's not parallel charging.
@@paultatar yes sure... Their strategy is to charge the "biggest" battery as fast as possible. So you can un plug it from the charger when fully charged. But it is not a // charger 😞
@@freedom2000 unfortunately DJI not only are not making a parallel charger themselves but also they make it difficult for the other 3d party manufacturers by encoding the connection to the battery. Typical DJI stuff.
Typical DJI lock-in bullshit. Call it "smart" and charge 6x the price for lipos. Now they have added DRM to charging too...worst part is the customers are paying for the extra hardware that keeps them from running market price lithium. Just like the 2S Samsung 18650 goggle batteries they sell for $45, when they're just 2x $3 cells + a BMS and DRM
I run a large brick 4S Lipo as my V2 goggle battery. Lasts all day.
@Wayne GoldPig yup, i like to use my oldest, shittiest 6S flight pack to power my goggles
Wait, I know. It's cause he was trying to review the drone before he even had one. 😂
I'm disappointed that nothing was said about what would be the best USB-c charger to use with the battery module. It accepts 5 volts at 3 amps (15 watts) 9 volts at 5 amps (45 watts) and 22 volts at 2.25 amps also 45 watts. Using a small USB-c charger like for a phone will take hours to charge it back up. But a laptop charger of the right voltage would charge it up three times faster!
15v 3a-60 min
It would be nice to be able to charge at once but honestly not so much of a big deal to me.
Dirty move from dji to block out 3rd party chargers
I have an Avata battery that won’t charge. It is dead. Anybody have an idea to bring it back to life
Those little tiny adapters are very expensive I saw them on eBay for $60 and they're not even on Dji's website store
WTF all the way, thanks Ian 👍🏻
Bat tree?
35,71Wh and 162g?! Hard to belive. A 4s 2600mAh 38Wh has 260g
Lithium-Ion Polymer
Ops on the video cover title . "No 3rd pary chargers"
Man how did I miss that. Thanks.
@@MadRC no worries thanks for the knowledgeable content. Keep.up the good hard work .
It's no different than your phone battery. You have to worry about the avata battery as much as you do your phone battery. All phones use lipos.
This is all great and really smart people can figure this out. Does anyone think this is why DJI tries to becomes more and more proprietary? IMO, just leave it alone. This is why DJI has 20 different remotes and nothing works with anything. The reason they do this is to show their ass and say f- you, but we will give you a path to reverse engineer a frickin battery because we choose to do so. They're throwing a little bone. They could make this battery unsusceptible to reverse engineering if they chose to do so.
Why are we waiting on american companies to compete with dji...?
Do the WTF guys really have nothing else they want to work on? This seems like such a frugal project for them. I can't say I'm not impressed with everything they do, but yeah that was my first thought when you brought it up haha.
I said a member of the WTF Group. I did not say the WTF team, there are a LOT of clever people there.
@@MadRC Sorry I didn't say the WTF team either, was merely referring to a guy/s in the WTF team/group. I was just surprised it would be of interest to them, but I guess what they are after is a challenge more than anything haha. No doubt all very clever talented people, I'm a big fan.
The goal in the end is a none DJI battery. Get away from the shackles.
@@MadRC No doubt. Honestly the team should just start a drone company at this point, surely easier than reverse engineering then fixing everyones mistakes haha.
First.... 😎😎
2006 thinks you're very cool! 😋
@@187Killerbee 2006? That is way cooler than my normal 1990 standards... 🤪😜
@@Geeksvana Haha, have a nice weekend, Sean!
@@187Killerbee and you KB 😎
Just another reason I don't want another DJI Product..