Some series like this one should be played again on TV for the newer generations. To forget history means that we may repeat the mistakes of the past. What a great series, brilliant actors
Played again? It is total rubbish. Hitler knew the war in the was lost in the begining of December 1941. He said so and it was recorded in the war diary of the OKW. According to some historians, it was the reason for the declaration of war on the US. He thought that an alliance of "Judeo-Bolsheviks" and "Judeo-Plutocrats" would inevitably tear itself apart allowing a National Socialist Germany to survive. The NS leadership actually thought that was going to happen when FDR died ... another miracle of the House of Brandenburg and Frederick the Great. That Halder contradicted Hitler and so was dismissed by the end of September is accurate. But the Germans having reliable intelligence on Soviet troop concentrations that Hitler dismisses is not ... that's all hindsight.
This show is unfortunately heavily misconstrued by the perspective of Halder. He was a professional ass kisser, fool of the general staff and when he was finally dismissed, he attempted to cover his ass by blaming everything on Hitler and everyone except for him.
@@arekofpoland8735 Would you explain your comment further, pls? I, too, was curious about the historical basis for this interesting exchange between Halder and Hitler.
An incredible performance. Can you imagine actually saying this to Hitler's face. The looks on the rest of the general staffs face when Hitler begins cackling to himself is priceless lol
The reality about warfare is having experience on the battlefield is one thing, but being able to be an exceptional operations officer is another; getting the right men and gear in the right place at the right time requires someone with organizational skills that are different from having combat experience. One of Napoleon's Marshals, Berthier was not known for his leadership on the battlefield but his abilities as a staff officer. He died - possibly assassinated by being pushed out a window - before the battle of Waterloo. His absence from Napoleon's staff made a huge difference on how that battle was fought and lost. Ironically, Eisenhower, who was left out of combat service in his career, was best known for his logistical and diplomatic skills. (Keep in mind in the military sends people where they need to be not where they want to be and that was the case with General Eisenhower.) His abilities trounced the Germans in the Western theater.
Indeed, managing people like Churchill and Montgomery who, from a sense of superb military instinct and condescending rabid nationalism were constantly trying to tell everyone else what to do and acting like oiffended virgins when their idea was not adopted as the main plan of action definitely took a form of patience, tolerance and parental authority very few people are gifted with, I for one would no doubt have ended on death row for the vicious and extremely enjoyable assassinationm of two intolerable members of the British high command so yes, Ike had no combat experience but what he had, we all needed... WINSTON DAMMIT, SHUT UP!
Barry Morse played a very good Kaiser Willem II in Fall Of Eagles released in 1974. During the WW1 episodes, he actually wore Kaiser Willem's decorations and medals.
You're thinking of actor Barry Foster - he actually played Kaiser Wilhelm II in seven episodes of the Fall of Eagles, a miniseries that also featured such notables as Patrick Stewart, Gayle Hunnicutt, and Gemma Jones.
I remember Barry Morris when he was in my grandmother's house in Niagara-on-the-Lake Ontario Canada for the Shaw Festival my grandmother Elizabeth Stewart was the oldest member for the Shaw Festival at that time
DID YOU KNOW....the US Army hired Franz Halder after the war to write the history of the war? He was the father of the whole "if only Hitler had listened to me" school. So, in a sense, he DID win the war.
Halder was responsible for the myth of the "Clean Wehrmacht", whitewashing all the atrocities he himself ordered. Even when his authorship of the Commissar Order and others was discovered, the Americans objected to re-trying him. Apparently the info he provided on the Soviets was deemed more important.
Heinz Guderian in Panzer Leader also recounts his many disagreements with Hitler, though some of his recollections are contradicted by the transcripts.
Halder and Guderian were opportunistic self promoters. Hitler was irrational but they attributed only to him the failure of Barbarossa, while they (particularly Halder) contributed a lot to general strategy and interfered with Hitler's guidelines.
What a great mini series. Fortunately for the world Hitler was a megalomaniac. If Hitler had listened to his generals it is possible at the least Great Britain may have had to sue for peace if not be conquered.
Brian, it was Hitler who against his generals advice invaded and conquered France. It's true he should have listened to their professional advice later on. But the German generals can't have it both ways! If Hitler had listened to them the Germans would never have won their victories in 1938-1941. Hitler was a demagogue and an opportunist. His instincts were spot on regarding the weakness of Britain and France in 1940. But he was no military genius. Nevertheless only for the totalitarian nature of the USSR he would have achieved victory. Thank goodness he did not!
@@mrwindsor9082 Though it was under the auspices of said totalitarianism that the purge of the red army occurred, which ensured the early successes of Barbarossa . When the poop hit the fan Stalin rebranded it a fight for "mother Russia", no longer the party , that may have been the closest he ever got to saying whoops . Might be more the case that they won on the Eastern front despite the totalitarian regime.
Very true. If the Nazi's would had just played possum for a few years, left Russia alone and built there navy up they would've been able to pull off a successful invasion of Britain. With how hard Stalin was riding Hitlers balls before the 1941 invasion, Britain would of been on her own!
@@mineown1861 In fact, it was because the Red Army was in attack formations that the Germans could insert themselves between Stalin's formations so fast, turn around and encircle the unsuspecting and inexperienced Soviet armies that were in the final stages of completion before rolling over everyone to go teach Russian to the Spaniards. In other words and according to the Man himself and Gens. Jodl and Keitel, for them, it was a do or die situation, Hitler may have made his biggest mistake and lost the war right there by invading the country that had more and better tanks than all the other nations combined, thinking his 750,000 horses would somehow give him the necessary speed and operatiomnal mobility required to crush the new kids on the block before the first US shipments of porridge and warm socks made it to the nearest empty stomachs and cold feet. Of course when the Yanks once again joined in after the Wehrmacht's best years were well behind her, hiding behind the door of hypocrisy for Uncle Joe to say go thus creating the dreaded sixth or seventh front the generals were so afraid of, all hopes of anything had pretty much vanished and all that was left to do was to marry someone and as the ultimate token of love, kill yourself as fast as possible... Life can be a bitch sometimes.
@@stevensenator4804 Hitler's original plan was to drive south, into the Oil fields, and resource rich south of the USSR, which was why Kiev was such an important objective. Stalin knew this too, and hence, the encirclement. Halder, wanted to drive to Moscow, and began siphoning resources from the south, to go for Moscow. The hold order in the winter of 1941-42 that Halder is raving about literally saved the German Army. They were exhausted, at the limit of their supply chain, and ravaged by Russian seasonal rains in the fall and winter, which made logistics a nightmare. The distance from Warsaw to Moscow is about the entire length of France to put it in perspective. Hitler was an idiot, and a cunt, but the Generals such as Halder and Paulus made decisions too that crippled the German war effort, such as Operation Citadel (Kursk). Hitler made some bad decisions such as His decision to not station panzer divisions closer to the French coast. He however, did make good decisions such as the Stop Orders both in France at Dunkirk in 1940, and again in the winter of 1941-42 in Russia.
my dad and my mum took took my sick grandmother t london in the late 60s before I was born and not long before she died ,, they were crossing the bridge near parliament and my nan said "look its him off the fugative " her favourite show , they went up to him and he was an absolute gentleman to my scouse nan , telling her all about his son who was a cameraman , and what he himself was up to , she died not long after , I did meet her but was far to small to remember .
Somewhat accurate, but in actuality Hitler was not initially interested in Stalingrad, and even made a speech referencing that very point. The Germans had reached to Volga to the north and were in a position to interdict supplies from the Caucasus. AFA the argument, probably not Halder, but someone like Manstein or Guderian would be making those points. Halder was not a total lackey, like Keitel but he was a committed Nazi.
Not to interpret this as halder being a good guy because he argued with Hitler , just that he was willing to do anything to ensure the success of the Wermacht , up to and including arguing with Hitler . Then again so did Manstein and Guderian , for the same reasons.
@@josevictorionunez9312 At that point some of them agreed in front of him, but once outside, completely ceased obeying his orders. When a leader loses it completely like this, his subordinates' duty is to remove him from command, forcibly if necessary and transfer their allegiances to the nation, why they didn't all unite or rather, why he didn't himself see he was no longer able to lead an army and govern a nation and that it was time to give back to his people the almost infinite power they had entrusted in him for so many years, in the hope of saving as many of them as possible before ir was too late, I don't understand. He refused and for me, it tarnished a lot of the wonderful things he had accomplished with and for his people with love, in peace... wisdom had left the room.
This most of those who have read upon the subject realize. He was certainly a shit head. However, in this crucial scene - perhaps Gen. Halder's most shining moment - he had the balls to argue with Hitler about the extreme danger 6th Army was in. As seen here in this incredible scene, note that none of the others dared to argue with the Fuhrer. Yet that was the last straw - the act here cost Halder his job.
"Führer... You lost it when you declared war on America..." If Halder did say that -- or something similar in reality -- he had balls the the size of church bells. This scene definitely summed up the tension Hitler and General Halder had between them in 42.
As a German Bavarian decent person he's actually right about when Hitler himself declared war against America. Yes the Germans actually make the best weapons, the best fighters ever made, etc but yet Americans actually could put produce any country in the world. But yet the Americans made the best bombers like the B 17 against Nazi Germany regime compared to the Germans light bombers and also medium bombers. B 17 the Norton bomb sight was actually the best thing ever made that surpassed other bomb sights.
Imagine what it must have been like to be in that room with a delusional lunatic. This was a great series why it's rotting in some archive and not available on on of the streaming services.
@@celtspeaksgoth7251 Read about general Von Hammerstein, he personally warned Hitler that he would give the order to shoot, against a rumored coup by Hitler in 1932.unfortunately Hindenburg granted power to Hitler. Hammerstein's sympathies with communism was not hidden, he was nick named the red general. Hitler's couldn't take his constant criticisms against nazis so he had him Retired.
i have a feeling this same conversation is being had around Putin. Can we skip to the part where the crazy dictator shoots himself in an underground bunker?
No, but we can remember that Gadhafi and Saddam Hussein were also demonized by the west and their media before creating the mess that the middle east has now become. It all sounds too familiar for those with a brain and memory. You should try using both.
Actually it is Uncle Joe Biden and "I play the piano with my penis"Zelinsky who think the Russians are finished. If Joe Biden blew his brains out his IQ would improve...
No, can't skip there. That takes millions of dead and yrs...of course, Hitler didn't have a very large strategic nuclear arsenal, so that might complicate things further.
Hitler's experience of four years at the front during WW1 is one thing he used to bludgeon his senior generals with. At the outset of WW2 most of the German Army's top generals had been assigned to staff jobs during WW1, the reason being since they were all young graduates of the German Army's command and staff college they were deemed too valuable to risk in actual combat, so they were deliberately kept at a safe distance. So Hitler believed he understood war in a way they didn't. There was something to that.
After the War and when Adolph Hitler was safely dead. Wasn't Hitler suffering mental defects and instability from untreated Syphilis at that point ? The actor did not really resemble Adolph Hitler too much though.
@@carminemurray6624 I wouldn’t put too much stock in that, I’m sure Hitler was having plenty of mental breakdowns towards the end when it was inevitable that the Germans would be overwhelmed by superior Soviet soldiers, British tech, and American industrial capabilities. I mean, if I was the leader of a country of 60 million going against three super powers whose combine populations exceeded 1 billion people. I probably would be a nervous wreck too
@@amk4956 I would not say they were defeated by “superior” Soviet soldiers and British technology, but the resources available to the Germans certainly could not have sustained themfor much longer.
@@surengrigorian7888 Germany hit the Soviet Union with a built up army and a surprise attack betraying their word to the international community, and the Soviet soldiers held the line through insurmountable odds and broke the German army in six months. A year after that, they completely rebuilt themselves and six months after the first 18 months of the war, they slammed the Germans all the way back to the starting line of the war. the skill and determination of the Soviet military is a mind boggling achievement. Britain tech especially nuclear, radar, sonar, and radio was invaluable and the USA production of that state of the art tech plus penicillin, and all the jeeps and trucks made the biggest three unstoppable.
There were instances where Guderian and Hitler almost came to blows over strategy of the Russian campaign and both had to be restrained by others … and several times Manstein actually disobeyed Hitler’s orders to save the army…eventually both were dismissed from their posts
It was corruption that prevented them going ahead and killing Hitler. Hitler had gifted Guderian an estate in Poland, that covered 2000 acres. Why bite the hand that feeds?
Maybe, maybe not. Generals could argue with Hitler, and despite what people might think the worst thing they were risking was being relieved. Guderian wasn't afraid to argue with Hitler (or anyone else for that matter) and was relieved, two times in fact.
A number of high ranking officers were not happy with Hitler declaring war on the U.S. Like Yamamoto, they knew American industry could win the war. And frankly, the Allies, with America driving the industrial engine, basically out built the Axis. The state of Pennsylvania alone produced more steel than the Axis powers combined.
Actually a lot of truth in that statement. For examples the lend lease suppliesd Russia with thousands of trucks, hundreds of planes, tanks ( yes they did use Shermans) clothes. The daylight bombing of the 8th, 15th Army Air Force which when coupled with the British bombing at night destroyed almost every German city. One of the main reasons that the allies won the war was the extraordinary team work Eisenhower and his staff both American and British accomplished. If the US had not gotten involved when they did Britain would be German or Russian today.
Hitler just might have beaten the Soviets with a little better preparation and a little more strategic and tactical skill, as it was he came very close. Declaring war on the US (which he avoided like the plague prior to Pearl Harbor, and even after there was no need for him to) sealed his fate.
@@paulhindenberg6364 'If the US had not gotten involved when they did Britain would be German or Russian today.' Germany never had a realistic chance of defeating Britain. What evidence is there that Russia would have gone to war with Britain after defeating Germany?
Just finished Cornelius Ryan 'The Last Battle'. Hitler was delusional right to the Soviets being 200 metres from the Führer bunker. It's a great novel.
General Haider wasn't a good guy. He knew about the Einsatzgruppen and Nazi rapine. The General also wanted to win. Also, perhaps in the back of his mind, he understood that defeat might put his neck in a noose.
In case people are trying to find the series "War and Remembrance" was basically a romantic soap opera that just happened to take place during World War II & not a strict war docu drama - just so you don't end up disappointed
@kurt drexler I do too, at times. I've been listening to Sara Ackerman 's historical romance novels ruclips.net/video/WcWv-Qjs47c/видео.html I was just pointing out that this clip isn't really representative of the entire series & might be considered sentimental & mushy for strict military history fans
With the exception of the Finns who’s red lines about not crossing into Russian territory (and which helped preserve their independence after the inevitable defeat), the Hungarians, Italians and Romanian forces in the East (and the Italians in N Africa) were for the most part poorly equipped and trained and largely unmotivated. There was an over dependence on them in Army Group South, which led in part to the encirclement of the Sixth Army. Of course they were also let down by Goering who failed to supply them properly throughout Fall Blau
Can’t argue with the Italians being worthless. Australia lost 136 men capturing or killing 40000 of them in two days in 1941, armed only with rifles and two machine guns attacking fortified positions across open ground laced with mines and wire.
This sequel to The Winds of War was somewhat anemic but I can't fault the actors for this as Jane Seymour is always wonderful. Still it would have been better if Ali McGraw and Jan-Michael Vincent had reprised their roles.
I know some here have said how great this part was, but it isn't the most historically accurate. For one, its putting all the blame on Hitler, were by, the generals were just as much to blame has he was, in many things. Just as an example, Hitler actually know that the flanks were vulnerable, and had ordered, IIRR, 3 divisions from the west, but it was one of those things of to little to late. Though they did arrive, IIRR, in time to help stabilize the line. The allocation of replacements/reinforcements; if you look at the actual numbers, you'd find that the troops at and around Stalingrad received VERY little, while the other armies got the most. By the time of the Soviet offensive, many of the German units were literally skeletons of their former selves. If they had been properly reinforced, I'd say they would have had a good chance of taking the city. And these same generals, didn't think that there would be a counter attack. In the end, many of these generals tried to rewrite history to put themselves in a better light, and put all the blame/mistakes on Hitler, were in several cases, it was them who made them. Just so we are clear, Hitler was a monster of the highest order, and he got off easy IMO. But he wasn't stupid, but was also not always right. I'm a big history fan, the right history, so that means assigning blame to the right people. Hitler deserves a lot of the blame for the things that happen during WW2, but let's not assign blame to him that actually wasn't his fault/things he didn't do.
He was relieved of his position. After Operation Valkyrie, in which he was not involved, arrested suspects mentioned his name in association with previous plots. He was arrested and eventually imprisoned as a VIP in Dachau along with his wife. In April, 1945 he was released and transported to American authorities where he was arrested for war crimes. He was later acquitted and began assisting the Americans with documenting the conflict on the Eastern front. His diary was discovered in which his authorship of the notorious Commissar Order was found. A request was made to re-try him, but the Americans objected, apparently because the information he was providing about the Soviets was deemed more valuable. And thus, a de facto war criminal, got away with murder.
This scene shows a clear difference between Hitler and Satlin. There's no way any Soviet general would have spoken out like this against Satlin out of fear that one of Birea's thugs would come round to kill them him in front of his wife and kids. Whilst Hitler was an unhinged psycho racist prick for most of the war he lacked Satlin's ruthlessness.
I read somewhere about a Soviet General, but I don't remember his name, who protested when Stalin was planning a big attack on the German lines, saying that they must attack not just from one position, but two at the same time. The third time he did so, Stalin goes quiet, walks up to him, puts his hand on his shoulders, looks him in the eye and says: "Three times have I planed this attack, and three times have you defied me ... there is NO WAY you would dare doing so unless you truly believed it to be of the uttermost importance! We will attack from two positions like you suggested!". And the Soviets won the battle.
Halder was right about Hitler undermining Case Blau's chance of success with his constant meddling and unrealistic objectives but Halder was responsible for Barbarossa's failure the year before by foolishly making Moscow the primary objective.
I like the old school. They had integrity. If I were he, I might have said: "If you want to advance, with all due respect, you can do so by yourself, without me, and without my men." I mean, sure, it could be considered treason. But the cause is lost anyway. A leader who doesn't care for the lives of those who serve under him doesn't deserve the loyalty of the men who serve under him. I'd just resign, and if Hitler wants to do away with me, he can very much do it. I obey my conscience more than the whims of an autocrat with delusions of grandeur. At least, right here and now, this is my position, and I hope, when tested in the heat of the moment, I would not waver in my convictions.
Halder did challenge the Fuhrer, and some of the dialogue is accurate, but the rest of it is pure Hollywood. If you are going to make a history or war movie, at least make it accurate.
It actually happen Halder may be as Guilty as Every War Criminals but his Sensible Military Officers who wants no interprence from Civillian leadership in War Planning his also not a Big Fan of Corporal Hitler in Leading the War Effort Planning Just look what happen too South Vietnam when South Vietnamese President Theiu order a Stupid War Plan that led too the Collapse of ARVN & South Vietnam aswell to Chiang kai-shek no -retreat plan that led too the loss of Mainland China too Communist Forces .
@@mikered1974 There is a point to what you say, however it has little to what I meant. I strongly disagree with Halder's objections. I fact I don't think they happened at all. All accounts of that are coming from Halder himself and he was caught lying on numerous occasions. In defence of film creators I must say that they could not know that in 1980's. Example of Halder's lies could be find in this video ruclips.net/video/2L20L3RHL88/видео.html You can also check Wikipedia: "France Halder" section "Myth of the clean Wehrmacht" If you interested I can search for you some better sources on the topic. Halder was decent commander until fall of France. After that he made an ass of himself, which is sad as he was an intelligent, skilled man.
@@andrzejadamowicz3753 ahhh....i don't say that Halder is a Clean German General & also that heated Conversation actuall happen because the General Staff of Germany know they Fuck-up by that Moment & nobody is raising the Elephant in the Room so Halder took the initiative because he wanted still to salvage the Campaign but Hitler wanted too hold the city that was been named from Stalin which is in Danger to be Encircled & Destroyed this converstion is backed & Colaborate by other Generals & officers and also records of some Unauthorized Withdrawal I THINK YOU ARE THE NEED TO STUDY MORE IN THIS LITTLE DEFIANCE TO HITLER BY FEW GERMAN GENERAL IS ACTUALLY HAPPENS I REPEAT AGAIN SHOWED SOME " LITTLE & FEW INSTANCES OF DEFIANCE " but still Halder & other German Generals is Guilty of Command Responsibilty and The Losses in Battle they commanded in Blind believe that they Had a Chance too win i cannot blame Them because they led some succesfull counter-attact that gain little in long run of German War effort.
@@mikered1974 I'm under impression you did not check little sources I provided or I did not explain myself clearly enough. Scene from the series "War and Remembrance" is stupid because Halder did not stand up to Hilter in that manner in that time. Mistakes he mentions are of his design. Catastrophic supply situation of 6th army was his fault just as lack of proper reinforcement. In that case all Adolf had to do is ask Halder why he hadn't done anything about all the shortcomings and fire him (which he eventually did). I hope that's clear now for you. Thanks for being civil in your comments. Many people immediately start swearing and cursing.
Lame, hysterical more than historical. Hitler didn't talk like that normally. Exept self-taught public speeches. Hitler wasn't incompetent leader and general not always were right.
Halder was a traditionalist no denying that and he bungled the planning of Barbarossa by foolishly making Moscow the primary objective but this is accurate in its history of Case Blau which was undone by Hitler's meddling and his overly ambitious objectives. It may be a bit histrionic but it's historically accurate.
It came down to a combination of being out manufactured by the US and Russia, overstretched supply lines and too many fronts to juggle. Lack of natural resources in key areas, having to rely on poor quality and half hearted allies. Over engineering and lack of common munitions standards and parts. The war was lost when they invaded Russia. And an underestimation of Britain and the resolve of its imperial constituents. Invading Russia whilst still grappling with the British Empire and an unresolved question over continued US neutrality was a singular act of hubris and a failure to learn the lessons of history.
Some series like this one should be played again on TV for the newer generations. To forget history means that we may repeat the mistakes of the past. What a great series, brilliant actors
That’s why those who want to destroy history are so adamant. They want to repeat it.
Agreed
Played again? It is total rubbish. Hitler knew the war in the was lost in the begining of December 1941. He said so and it was recorded in the war diary of the OKW. According to some historians, it was the reason for the declaration of war on the US. He thought that an alliance of "Judeo-Bolsheviks" and "Judeo-Plutocrats" would inevitably tear itself apart allowing a National Socialist Germany to survive. The NS leadership actually thought that was going to happen when FDR died ... another miracle of the House of Brandenburg and Frederick the Great.
That Halder contradicted Hitler and so was dismissed by the end of September is accurate. But the Germans having reliable intelligence on Soviet troop concentrations that Hitler dismisses is not ... that's all hindsight.
This show is unfortunately heavily misconstrued by the perspective of Halder. He was a professional ass kisser, fool of the general staff and when he was finally dismissed, he attempted to cover his ass by blaming everything on Hitler and everyone except for him.
Ah, the great Barry Morse. He looks terrific in the uniform. Great actor.
Great scene, barry morse, great performance.
The only issue is that there are no historical facts in this scene
@@arekofpoland8735 Would you explain your comment further, pls? I, too, was curious about the historical basis for this interesting exchange between Halder and Hitler.
@@teller1290 Halder was dismissed Sept 24th due to fall Blau failed and at that time there no reason to withdraw 6 Army
@@teller1290 Watch from TIKhistory - BATTLESTORM STALINGRAD on youtube
@@arekofpoland8735 I didn't know it had failed by Sept 24.
WOW to the many talents of Barry Morse.
Space 1999 I agree he was great
also a gentleman too my nan when she spotted him in London
@@philipchurchill6508 Glad to hear it. He was class in Winds of War and War In Rememberance
An incredible performance. Can you imagine actually saying this to Hitler's face. The looks on the rest of the general staffs face when Hitler begins cackling to himself is priceless lol
The reality about warfare is having experience on the battlefield is one thing, but being able to be an exceptional operations officer is another; getting the right men and gear in the right place at the right time requires someone with organizational skills that are different from having combat experience. One of Napoleon's Marshals, Berthier was not known for his leadership on the battlefield but his abilities as a staff officer. He died - possibly assassinated by being pushed out a window - before the battle of Waterloo. His absence from Napoleon's staff made a huge difference on how that battle was fought and lost. Ironically, Eisenhower, who was left out of combat service in his career, was best known for his logistical and diplomatic skills. (Keep in mind in the military sends people where they need to be not where they want to be and that was the case with General Eisenhower.) His abilities trounced the Germans in the Western theater.
Indeed, managing people like Churchill and Montgomery who, from a sense of superb military instinct and condescending rabid nationalism were constantly trying to tell everyone else what to do and acting like oiffended virgins when their idea was not adopted as the main plan of action definitely took a form of patience, tolerance and parental authority very few people are gifted with, I for one would no doubt have ended on death row for the vicious and extremely enjoyable assassinationm of two intolerable members of the British high command so yes, Ike had no combat experience but what he had, we all needed...
WINSTON DAMMIT, SHUT UP!
@@rosesprog1722 Shut up... NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Barry Morse great. I never realised that it was Steven Berkoff playing Hitler. +1 there is now quite a lot being revealed about Halder.
Barry Morse played a very good Kaiser Willem II in Fall Of Eagles released in 1974. During the WW1 episodes, he actually wore Kaiser Willem's decorations and medals.
You're thinking of actor Barry Foster - he actually played Kaiser Wilhelm II in seven episodes of the Fall of Eagles, a miniseries that also featured such notables as Patrick Stewart, Gayle Hunnicutt, and Gemma Jones.
@@anthonywynn2059 You are so right! I get people confused sometimes! 🤔🤣
I remember Barry Morris when he was in my grandmother's house in Niagara-on-the-Lake Ontario Canada for the Shaw Festival my grandmother Elizabeth Stewart was the oldest member for the Shaw Festival at that time
DID YOU KNOW....the US Army hired Franz Halder after the war to write the history of the war? He was the father of the whole "if only Hitler had listened to me" school. So, in a sense, he DID win the war.
If only Hitler is greatest bulshit - Halder was the one who made a plans and he failed
Halder was responsible for the myth of the "Clean Wehrmacht", whitewashing all the atrocities he himself ordered. Even when his authorship of the Commissar Order and others was discovered, the Americans objected to re-trying him. Apparently the info he provided on the Soviets was deemed more important.
Heinz Guderian in Panzer Leader also recounts his many disagreements with Hitler, though some of his recollections are contradicted by the transcripts.
Yep and he was also was the one who caused the loss of operation Barbarossa to fail because he focus them on Moscow instead of the Caucasus region.
Halder and Guderian were opportunistic self promoters. Hitler was irrational but they attributed only to him the failure of Barbarossa, while they (particularly Halder) contributed a lot to general strategy and interfered with Hitler's guidelines.
4:17-4:26 that was the most scorching, the harshest burn against the dictator I’ve ever heard. But Hitler was too delusional to accept it
What a great mini series. Fortunately for the world Hitler was a megalomaniac. If Hitler had listened to his generals it is possible at the least Great Britain may have had to sue for peace if not be conquered.
Very like a man I know in Mockba right now.
Brian, it was Hitler who against his generals advice invaded and conquered France. It's true he should have listened to their professional advice later on. But the German generals can't have it both ways! If Hitler had listened to them the Germans would never have won their victories in 1938-1941.
Hitler was a demagogue and an opportunist. His instincts were spot on regarding the weakness of Britain and France in 1940. But he was no military genius. Nevertheless only for the totalitarian nature of the USSR he would have achieved victory. Thank goodness he did not!
@@mrwindsor9082 Though it was under the auspices of said totalitarianism that the purge of the red army occurred, which ensured the early successes of Barbarossa .
When the poop hit the fan Stalin rebranded it a fight for "mother Russia", no longer the party , that may have been the closest he ever got to saying whoops . Might be more the case that they won on the Eastern front despite the totalitarian regime.
Very true. If the Nazi's would had just played possum for a few years, left Russia alone and built there navy up they would've been able to pull off a successful invasion of Britain. With how hard Stalin was riding Hitlers balls before the 1941 invasion, Britain would of been on her own!
@@mineown1861 In fact, it was because the Red Army was in attack formations that the Germans could insert themselves between Stalin's formations so fast, turn around and encircle the unsuspecting and inexperienced Soviet armies that were in the final stages of completion before rolling over everyone to go teach Russian to the Spaniards.
In other words and according to the Man himself and Gens. Jodl and Keitel, for them, it was a do or die situation, Hitler may have made his biggest mistake and lost the war right there by invading the country that had more and better tanks than all the other nations combined, thinking his 750,000 horses would somehow give him the necessary speed and operatiomnal mobility required to crush the new kids on the block before the first US shipments of porridge and warm socks made it to the nearest empty stomachs and cold feet. Of course when the Yanks once again joined in after the Wehrmacht's best years were well behind her, hiding behind the door of hypocrisy for Uncle Joe to say go thus creating the dreaded sixth or seventh front the generals were so afraid of, all hopes of anything had pretty much vanished and all that was left to do was to marry someone and as the ultimate token of love, kill yourself as fast as possible... Life can be a bitch sometimes.
Great scene summing up the rift between Halder and Hitler in the summer of 1942. They really went at it for months until Hitler finally dismissed him.
If true, then Halder had balls of steel.
@@stevensenator4804 Halder was a fool.
@@insideoutsideupsidedown2218 - Why is that? From this clip, he seems to be correct about quite a few things.
Hitler was crazy
@@stevensenator4804 Hitler's original plan was to drive south, into the Oil fields, and resource rich south of the USSR, which was why Kiev was such an important objective. Stalin knew this too, and hence, the encirclement.
Halder, wanted to drive to Moscow, and began siphoning resources from the south, to go for Moscow. The hold order in the winter of 1941-42 that Halder is raving about literally saved the German Army. They were exhausted, at the limit of their supply chain, and ravaged by Russian seasonal rains in the fall and winter, which made logistics a nightmare. The distance from Warsaw to Moscow is about the entire length of France to put it in perspective.
Hitler was an idiot, and a cunt, but the Generals such as Halder and Paulus made decisions too that crippled the German war effort, such as Operation Citadel (Kursk). Hitler made some bad decisions such as His decision to not station panzer divisions closer to the French coast. He however, did make good decisions such as the Stop Orders both in France at Dunkirk in 1940, and again in the winter of 1941-42 in Russia.
The qualities that drive politicians to greatness also are the same causes of their downfall.
my dad and my mum took took my sick grandmother t london in the late 60s before I was born and not long before she died ,, they were crossing the bridge near parliament and my nan said "look its him off the fugative " her favourite show , they went up to him and he was an absolute gentleman to my scouse nan , telling her all about his son who was a cameraman , and what he himself was up to , she died not long after , I did meet her but was far to small to remember .
Somewhat accurate, but in actuality Hitler was not initially interested in Stalingrad, and even made a speech referencing that very point. The Germans had reached to Volga to the north and were in a position to interdict supplies from the Caucasus.
AFA the argument, probably not Halder, but someone like Manstein or Guderian would be making those points. Halder was not a total lackey, like Keitel but he was a committed Nazi.
I remember watching this in the 80s.
The 2 series were like a single movie, only 40 hours long!
I was watching World At War, Stalingrad. Wow! Great research!
Not to interpret this as halder being a good guy because he argued with Hitler , just that he was willing to do anything to ensure the success of the Wermacht , up to and including arguing with Hitler . Then again so did Manstein and Guderian , for the same reasons.
Every Wermacht general at some point had to argue with Hitler i think
@@josevictorionunez9312 At that point some of them agreed in front of him, but once outside, completely ceased obeying his orders. When a leader loses it completely like this, his subordinates' duty is to remove him from command, forcibly if necessary and transfer their allegiances to the nation, why they didn't all unite or rather, why he didn't himself see he was no longer able to lead an army and govern a nation and that it was time to give back to his people the almost infinite power they had entrusted in him for so many years, in the hope of saving as many of them as possible before ir was too late, I don't understand. He refused and for me, it tarnished a lot of the wonderful things he had accomplished with and for his people with love, in peace... wisdom had left the room.
Halder was dismissed in September due to fall Blau failed and at that time there no reason to withdraw 6 Army
@@marky19841000 Oh, I'm sure you're absolutely right, I certainly wouldn't have known what to do.
By the way General Franz halder was not an angel. Check out his biography on wikipedia.
This most of those who have read upon the subject realize. He was certainly a shit head. However, in this crucial scene - perhaps Gen. Halder's most shining moment - he had the balls to argue with Hitler about the extreme danger 6th Army was in. As seen here in this incredible scene, note that none of the others dared to argue with the Fuhrer. Yet that was the last straw - the act here cost Halder his job.
The only issue is that there are no historical facts in this scene
Halder was dismissed in September due to fall Blau failed and at that time there no reason to withdraw 6 Army
"Führer... You lost it when you declared war on America..."
If Halder did say that -- or something similar in reality -- he had balls the the size of church bells. This scene definitely summed up the tension Hitler and General Halder had between them in 42.
Ah. The good old days, when senior German officers spoke RP English, with a hint of a Bavarian accent.
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Great scene
As a German Bavarian decent person he's actually right about when Hitler himself declared war against America. Yes the Germans actually make the best weapons, the best fighters ever made, etc but yet Americans actually could put produce any country in the world. But yet the Americans made the best bombers like the B 17 against Nazi Germany regime compared to the Germans light bombers and also medium bombers. B 17 the Norton bomb sight was actually the best thing ever made that surpassed other bomb sights.
Imagine what it must have been like to be in that room with a delusional lunatic. This was a great series why it's rotting in some archive and not available on on of the streaming services.
I WISH this miniseries was available on DVD. Also, IKE The War years with Robert Duval. No where to be found!! :(
Both War and Remembrance, as well as The Winds of War (its predecessor) are available on DVD. Check Amazon.
@@starparty Just be mindful of what region you need.
Watching Duvall playing Stalin was amazing. How he had the balls to pull that off.
I'm not sure such a conversation ever happened, though the depiction is quite interesting.
One or two generals did have standup rows with AH apparently
@@celtspeaksgoth7251 Read about general Von Hammerstein, he personally warned Hitler that he would give the order to shoot, against a rumored coup by Hitler in 1932.unfortunately Hindenburg granted power to Hitler. Hammerstein's sympathies with communism was not hidden, he was nick named the red general. Hitler's couldn't take his constant criticisms against nazis so he had him Retired.
i have a feeling this same conversation is being had around Putin. Can we skip to the part where the crazy dictator shoots himself in an underground bunker?
No, but we can remember that Gadhafi and Saddam Hussein were also demonized by the west and their media before creating the mess that the middle east has now become. It all sounds too familiar for those with a brain and memory. You should try using both.
Actually it is Uncle Joe Biden and "I play the piano with my penis"Zelinsky who think the Russians are finished. If Joe Biden blew his brains out his IQ would improve...
No, can't skip there. That takes millions of dead and yrs...of course, Hitler didn't have a very large strategic nuclear arsenal, so that might complicate things further.
Or around Biden about war in Afganistan
You clearly don't understand how different the 2 wars are
Apparently, this was filmed using WW2 video technology.
Nope. The only way to record the series back then was on VCR - I did it myself.
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Good job.
In every force..we need people like this outgoing COS of Hitler..old school officers are the finest when it comes to tactics.
Steven Berkoff as Hitler- tremendous performance!
"What do you know about what goes on at the front?"
Says the guy who stay at the safety of his bunker in Berlin hundreds of miles away from the front
He meant WWI.
He was four years at the front, wounded and received Iron Cross. Does that qualify?
Hitler's experience of four years at the front during WW1 is one thing he used to bludgeon his senior generals with. At the outset of WW2 most of the German Army's top generals had been assigned to staff jobs during WW1, the reason being since they were all young graduates of the German Army's command and staff college they were deemed too valuable to risk in actual combat, so they were deliberately kept at a safe distance. So Hitler believed he understood war in a way they didn't. There was something to that.
Most of these sounds like it came from Haider's perspective. Nazi generals were quick to place their failures and actions on hitler after the war.
After the War and when Adolph Hitler was safely dead.
Wasn't Hitler suffering mental defects and instability from untreated Syphilis at that point ?
The actor did not really resemble Adolph Hitler too much though.
@@carminemurray6624 I wouldn’t put too much stock in that, I’m sure Hitler was having plenty of mental breakdowns towards the end when it was inevitable that the Germans would be overwhelmed by superior Soviet soldiers, British tech, and American industrial capabilities. I mean, if I was the leader of a country of 60 million going against three super powers whose combine populations exceeded 1 billion people. I probably would be a nervous wreck too
@@amk4956 I would not say they were defeated by “superior” Soviet soldiers and British technology, but the resources available to the Germans certainly could not have sustained themfor much longer.
@@surengrigorian7888 Germany hit the Soviet Union with a built up army and a surprise attack betraying their word to the international community, and the Soviet soldiers held the line through insurmountable odds and broke the German army in six months. A year after that, they completely rebuilt themselves and six months after the first 18 months of the war, they slammed the Germans all the way back to the starting line of the war. the skill and determination of the Soviet military is a mind boggling achievement.
Britain tech especially nuclear, radar, sonar, and radio was invaluable and the USA production of that state of the art tech plus penicillin, and all the jeeps and trucks made the biggest three unstoppable.
There were instances where Guderian and Hitler almost came to blows over strategy of the Russian campaign and both had to be restrained by others … and several times Manstein actually disobeyed Hitler’s orders to save the army…eventually both were dismissed from their posts
It was corruption that prevented them going ahead and killing Hitler. Hitler had gifted Guderian an estate in Poland, that covered 2000 acres. Why bite the hand that feeds?
That general had testicle of titanium.
Brass ballz.
Halder had brass ones.
Halder was sacked for pushing back on Hitler's worst blunders, but I doubt Halder was ever so bold.
Maybe, maybe not. Generals could argue with Hitler, and despite what people might think the worst thing they were risking was being relieved. Guderian wasn't afraid to argue with Hitler (or anyone else for that matter) and was relieved, two times in fact.
Halder was absolutely not this bold.
It is sad to say we just don't see this type of quality on anymore. TV nowadays is nothing but a giant wasteland.
'You lost it when you declared war on America'
ROTFL
It just pours out of Hollywood on a conveyor belt.
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A number of high ranking officers were not happy with Hitler declaring war on the U.S. Like Yamamoto, they knew American industry could win the war. And frankly, the Allies, with America driving the industrial engine, basically out built the Axis. The state of Pennsylvania alone produced more steel than the Axis powers combined.
Actually a lot of truth in that statement. For examples the lend lease suppliesd Russia with thousands of trucks, hundreds of planes, tanks ( yes they did use Shermans) clothes. The daylight bombing of the 8th, 15th Army Air Force which when coupled with the British bombing at night destroyed almost every German city.
One of the main reasons that the allies won the war was the extraordinary team work Eisenhower and his staff both American and British accomplished.
If the US had not gotten involved when they did Britain would be German or Russian today.
Hitler just might have beaten the Soviets with a little better preparation and a little more strategic and tactical skill, as it was he came very close. Declaring war on the US (which he avoided like the plague prior to Pearl Harbor, and even after there was no need for him to) sealed his fate.
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'If the US had not gotten involved when they did Britain would be German or Russian today.'
Germany never had a realistic chance of defeating Britain. What evidence is there that Russia would have gone to war with Britain after defeating Germany?
Just finished Cornelius Ryan 'The Last Battle'. Hitler was delusional right to the Soviets being 200 metres from the Führer bunker. It's a great novel.
General Haider wasn't a good guy. He knew about the Einsatzgruppen and Nazi rapine. The General also wanted to win. Also, perhaps in the back of his mind, he understood that defeat might put his neck in a noose.
In case people are trying to find the series "War and Remembrance" was basically a romantic soap opera that just happened to take place during World War II & not a strict war docu drama - just so you don't end up disappointed
@kurt drexler I do too, at times. I've been listening to Sara Ackerman 's historical romance novels
ruclips.net/video/WcWv-Qjs47c/видео.html
I was just pointing out that this clip isn't really representative of the entire series & might be considered sentimental & mushy for strict military history fans
name of this movie?
someone please?
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War and Remembrance (1988)
It is literally in the title of the video that you had to click to play it.
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Those German generals really blamed any mistake on either Hitler, the Romanians or the Italians.
With the exception of the Finns who’s red lines about not crossing into Russian territory (and which helped preserve their independence after the inevitable defeat), the Hungarians, Italians and Romanian forces in the East (and the Italians in N Africa) were for the most part poorly equipped and trained and largely unmotivated. There was an over dependence on them in Army Group South, which led in part to the encirclement of the Sixth Army. Of course they were also let down by Goering who failed to supply them properly throughout Fall Blau
Is this series available on any of the streaming services 🤔
6:15...THE HELL- YOU SAY(?)
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Steven Berkoff did a pretty good interpretation of Hitler. He is a great actor.
At least he had the guts to stand up to Hitler in this instance.
Can’t argue with the Italians being worthless. Australia lost 136 men capturing or killing 40000 of them in two days in 1941, armed only with rifles and two machine guns attacking fortified positions across open ground laced with mines and wire.
Listening to this fuhrer I started thinking , we can will our way to victory . Let's get those fkrs. Then I rembered I am an American and it's 2023 !!
I thought I was bad tempered
This sequel to The Winds of War was somewhat anemic but I can't fault the actors for this as Jane Seymour is always wonderful. Still it would have been better if Ali McGraw and Jan-Michael Vincent had reprised their roles.
I think Jan Michael Vincent wanted to come back for War & Remembrance, but he was already committed to Airwolf when they started production in 86.
...well, "ya CAN'T please EVERYBODY!!!"
Lt.Gerard who hunted Richard Kimble for years in The Fugitive...
I know some here have said how great this part was, but it isn't the most historically accurate. For one, its putting all the blame on Hitler, were by, the generals were just as much to blame has he was, in many things. Just as an example, Hitler actually know that the flanks were vulnerable, and had ordered, IIRR, 3 divisions from the west, but it was one of those things of to little to late. Though they did arrive, IIRR, in time to help stabilize the line. The allocation of replacements/reinforcements; if you look at the actual numbers, you'd find that the troops at and around Stalingrad received VERY little, while the other armies got the most. By the time of the Soviet offensive, many of the German units were literally skeletons of their former selves. If they had been properly reinforced, I'd say they would have had a good chance of taking the city. And these same generals, didn't think that there would be a counter attack. In the end, many of these generals tried to rewrite history to put themselves in a better light, and put all the blame/mistakes on Hitler, were in several cases, it was them who made them. Just so we are clear, Hitler was a monster of the highest order, and he got off easy IMO. But he wasn't stupid, but was also not always right. I'm a big history fan, the right history, so that means assigning blame to the right people. Hitler deserves a lot of the blame for the things that happen during WW2, but let's not assign blame to him that actually wasn't his fault/things he didn't do.
I think the problem was that General Halder was actually Dracula in disguise.
I'm glad he called out Hitler in this scene it was much deserved 👏
Omg, someone who actually told Hitler he was crap. Amazing he survived the war and not shot by one of Hitler's goon's
He was relieved of his position. After Operation Valkyrie, in which he was not involved, arrested suspects mentioned his name in association with previous plots. He was arrested and eventually imprisoned as a VIP in Dachau along with his wife. In April, 1945 he was released and transported to American authorities where he was arrested for war crimes. He was later acquitted and began assisting the Americans with documenting the conflict on the Eastern front. His diary was discovered in which his authorship of the notorious Commissar Order was found. A request was made to re-try him, but the Americans objected, apparently because the information he was providing about the Soviets was deemed more valuable. And thus, a de facto war criminal, got away with murder.
wasn't Hitler king Olaf in Vikings
This scene shows a clear difference between Hitler and Satlin. There's no way any Soviet general would have spoken out like this against Satlin out of fear that one of Birea's thugs would come round to kill them him in front of his wife and kids. Whilst Hitler was an unhinged psycho racist prick for most of the war he lacked Satlin's ruthlessness.
I read somewhere about a Soviet General, but I don't remember his name, who protested when Stalin was planning a big attack on the German lines, saying that they must attack not just from one position, but two at the same time. The third time he did so, Stalin goes quiet, walks up to him, puts his hand on his shoulders, looks him in the eye and says: "Three times have I planed this attack, and three times have you defied me ... there is NO WAY you would dare doing so unless you truly believed it to be of the uttermost importance! We will attack from two positions like you suggested!".
And the Soviets won the battle.
@@Grubnar ...I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THE SOVIET GENERAL YOU ARE REFERRING TO IS, KONSTANTIN ROKOSSOVSKI-(!)
This definitely never happened. Halder was really good at saying what he thought except in his diary though.
All of the uniforms of Germany's armed forces during WW2 were well tailored!!
That's thanks to Hugo Boss. Superb uniforms, I'd say.
1:18 - Mien [sic] Fuehrer.
The first order of business should have been to head straight
for the oil fields.
Moscow was the transportation hub and Leningrad the intake port for Russia. Any 3 were equally important.
The only question is how and when ?
How ?
Stalingrad was a vital transport hub for materials and troops.
Taking the oil fields is one thing defending them is a whole other.
fight and stay！(*｀Д´)ノ！！！
The big bluff chased them out of Africa Italy France and then big bluff entered Germany.
I have been there in Vinnitsa... should have a look at the swimming pool you can see people were executed in there...
Halder was right about Hitler undermining Case Blau's chance of success with his constant meddling and unrealistic objectives but Halder was responsible for Barbarossa's failure the year before by foolishly making Moscow the primary objective.
The Hitler playing is a Jewish Russian & Romanian
Hard to see anyone play Hitler, after they cast Hitler himself in Downfall.
Adolf Hitler, the greatest secret weapon the Allies had during WWII.
The guy playing Hitler is scary man ….
And not very much like the actual Adolf Hitler.
Watch Adolph Hitler giving a speech and you will see there is very little resemblance between the two.
This is WWII but for some strange reason it's almost like President Putin and Ukraine...yours very truly Alfonso Cantu USMC
When you are defeated you become villain in every story to be told, every movie to be shown. Be careful, don't get defeated 😉
I like the old school. They had integrity. If I were he, I might have said:
"If you want to advance, with all due respect, you can do so by yourself, without me, and without my men."
I mean, sure, it could be considered treason.
But the cause is lost anyway.
A leader who doesn't care for the lives of those who serve under him doesn't deserve the loyalty of the men who serve under him.
I'd just resign, and if Hitler wants to do away with me, he can very much do it. I obey my conscience more than the whims of an autocrat with delusions of grandeur. At least, right here and now, this is my position, and I hope, when tested in the heat of the moment, I would not waver in my convictions.
Thumbnail: "Those worthless Italians"
No heavy bomber, too many tank designs and varients, outdated fighter aircraft by 1942 and bad tactics. They were never close.
It turned out, America was not one big bluff.
One of the better Hitlers.
2023 -putin in kremlin war room.
I will take crimea as im taking donbass!
Vovoldymir Zelensky, 2023 colorized
More cheese anyone?
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yep like a gang of Mr.Burns around a table
A completely inaccurate, absurd scene.
Halder did challenge the Fuhrer, and some of the dialogue is accurate, but the rest of it is pure Hollywood. If you are going to make a history or war movie, at least make it accurate.
@@joemiller9931 precisely.
It is Putin!
He lost it when he declare war whit soviet union and the some whit England and u.s
The maniacal laughing at the end...not realistic....this must be like arguing with Trump.
A one armed man?Ridiculous
This Hitler is comical. Bruno Ganz acted circles around him.
All Halder's propaganda, not historically accurat.
Halder argues with Hilter. What a stupid scene!!!
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It actually happen Halder may be as Guilty as Every War Criminals but his Sensible Military Officers who wants no interprence from Civillian leadership in War Planning his also not a Big Fan of Corporal Hitler in Leading the War Effort Planning Just look what happen too South Vietnam when South Vietnamese President Theiu order a Stupid War Plan that led too the Collapse of ARVN & South Vietnam aswell to Chiang kai-shek no -retreat plan that led too the loss of Mainland China too Communist Forces .
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There is a point to what you say, however it has little to what I meant. I strongly disagree with Halder's objections. I fact I don't think they happened at all. All accounts of that are coming from Halder himself and he was caught lying on numerous occasions.
In defence of film creators I must say that they could not know that in 1980's.
Example of Halder's lies could be find in this video
ruclips.net/video/2L20L3RHL88/видео.html
You can also check Wikipedia: "France Halder" section "Myth of the clean Wehrmacht"
If you interested I can search for you some better sources on the topic. Halder was decent commander until fall of France. After that he made an ass of himself, which is sad as he was an intelligent, skilled man.
@@andrzejadamowicz3753 ahhh....i don't say that Halder is a Clean German General & also that heated Conversation actuall happen because the General Staff of Germany know they Fuck-up by that Moment & nobody is raising the Elephant in the Room so Halder took the initiative because he wanted still to salvage the Campaign but Hitler wanted too hold the city that was been named from Stalin which is in Danger to be Encircled & Destroyed this converstion is backed & Colaborate by other Generals & officers and also records of some Unauthorized Withdrawal I THINK YOU ARE THE NEED TO STUDY MORE IN THIS LITTLE DEFIANCE TO HITLER BY FEW GERMAN GENERAL IS ACTUALLY HAPPENS I REPEAT AGAIN SHOWED SOME " LITTLE & FEW INSTANCES OF DEFIANCE " but still Halder & other German Generals is Guilty of Command Responsibilty and The Losses in Battle they commanded in Blind believe that they Had a Chance too win i cannot blame Them because they led some succesfull counter-attact that gain little in long run of German War effort.
@@mikered1974
I'm under impression you did not check little sources I provided or I did not explain myself clearly enough.
Scene from the series "War and Remembrance" is stupid because Halder did not stand up to Hilter in that manner in that time. Mistakes he mentions are of his design. Catastrophic supply situation of 6th army was his fault just as lack of proper reinforcement. In that case all Adolf had to do is ask Halder why he hadn't done anything about all the shortcomings and fire him (which he eventually did).
I hope that's clear now for you. Thanks for being civil in your comments. Many people immediately start swearing and cursing.
Lame, hysterical more than historical.
Hitler didn't talk like that normally. Exept self-taught public speeches.
Hitler wasn't incompetent leader and general not always were right.
Halder was a traditionalist no denying that and he bungled the planning of Barbarossa by foolishly making Moscow the primary objective but this is accurate in its history of Case Blau which was undone by Hitler's meddling and his overly ambitious objectives. It may be a bit histrionic but it's historically accurate.
It's farfetched story
Haider sounds like Count Dracula. 😂
It came down to a combination of being out manufactured by the US and Russia, overstretched supply lines and too many fronts to juggle. Lack of natural resources in key areas, having to rely on poor quality and half hearted allies. Over engineering and lack of common munitions standards and parts. The war was lost when they invaded Russia. And an underestimation of Britain and the resolve of its imperial constituents. Invading Russia whilst still grappling with the British Empire and an unresolved question over continued US neutrality was a singular act of hubris and a failure to learn the lessons of history.