To be fair to Hitler, i think re-assigning army group center to the southern caucasus was a better idea than attacking Moscow. Even if Halder did somehow capture Moscow it probably wouldn't have actually helped that much. Whilst depriving the Soviets of their oil might have deeply impacted their ability to maintain mechanized supply lines and large tank and air formations.
@@Ken-hw1et They don’t have to. Army groups central and south have enough numbers to spearhead the caucuses without issue (well except the weather messing up their logistics) the central army group would defend the flanks of the advance to the south.
5:57 Halder was dismissed by Hitler not replaced and he was dismissed in September 1942 not 1944. Halder's replacement was Gen. Kurt Zeitzler as shown in part 5 of WAR AND REMEMBRANCE.
I stupidly thought that a clip titled "Franz Halder's Diary" would be about Franz Halder's diary. Most of this is from the TV movie "War & Remembrance" from 1988.
The psychological blow of capturing Moscow would have gone a long way towards ensuring collapse in other places, like the oil regions, and then capturing them without overextension. Not to mention, capturing Moscow would have paralyzed rail traffic in all of Western Russia. The issue then becomes the Germans ability to hold all of that territory. If I were them, I go about installing a friendly government, free of Bolsheviks, taking advantage of anti-Soviet sentiment within the Russian population. We all know that did not happen. Hubris can be deadly
Taking Moscow would achieve little in the grand scheme of things. It would slow down the soviets for a time for sure, but the russians by this time were mobilized, with a full war economy set up throughout the vast territory of the ussr, not just the west. The German war machine would still be at its breaking point. Trains can be rerouted, spirits can be reinvigorated, and a supremacist regime that wishes to systematically exterminate the slavic people will not try to appeal to any slavs by setting up a puppet government or by telling them that the communists are the true enemy.
Even they conquered Moscow, it will be the same as Stalingrad. Nazi's will hold out the place like more than months. Supply problems will be their main problem. The USSR had so much network, they can encircled Moscow so easily.
Hitler was actually right that Moscow was a foolish primary objective for Barbarossa. Stalin was already moving govt functions to Kazan 400 miles east. Moscow as a primary objective was Halder's idea and demonstrated what a traditionalist he was in military planning. Halder made Moscow the primary objective because historically in European wars you defeated your enemy by taking their capital and forcing a surrender. Halder didn't understand war in the modern industrial era nor did he understand Stalin's USSR was unlike any enemy of past European wars. Moscow falling certainly would have been a blow to the Soviets but they certainly would have fought on and the Germans still find themselves in a long war of attrition they're not prepared to fight. Maybe there was no strategy that could defeat the Soviets due to the vast distances, horrible weather and Stalin's willingness to sacrifice any number of Red Army soldiers but Hitler's option of a southern strategy to seize and deprive the resources of Ukraine the Caucasus from Stalin had a better chance of success.
Fantastic television series when I was a young boy. I was enthralled in the history of this time. Some actors in the show were just beginning their careers. It sad to note that todays generation has no clue what happened 80 years ago.
The chewing-out part of this by Hitler is pure Hollywood. He may have been crude and blunt, but not that undignified. Hitler may have thought many of these things, but he never said them.
I thought Spear was smart , but Halder takes some beating , Halder lived longer than Spear dodged a long prison sentence ? and proved to be a hell of a good speaker to Americans after the war so to speak ?
Halder, in my opinion was one of the most pathetic leaders in the German Army. His tendencies to follow orders depend on his personal view of the battlefield. Honestly, if it weren't for him messing up Operation Barborossa Hitler would have had the oil crisis resolved to keep the German War machine pumping for another 2 to 3 years.
@@stephenobrien5909 - HAHAHA He can be such a wanker at times, and his political analysis, at times borders on the outright insane, with his "Hitler and the Nazi's were Socialists...", honestly, wtf is he smoking? If TIK truly thinks that Nazism and Socialim are the same thing, or even "sing from the same song book", he's a bloody fool!! As for his Millitary History, he's is quite honestly one of the best on youtube, imo. Take for example, any one of his "Battle Storm" series, and he is quite obviously, bloody good at what he dose!! EDIT :- Take his "Battstorm Salingrad, Episode 18, Halder blames Hitler and Paulus" as an example, it's pretty recent, and relatable, back to this video, in as much as it has Halder in it.
@@karlmuller3690 I agree about his take on campaigns and battles but seriously you would have to be a socialist (and therefore a bit lacking) to think that the nazis and stalanists were not cut from the same cloth, and following the same manual.
Moscow by this time had much more strategic value than in 1812. The convergence of railroads made it critically important from a logistical perspective. While it's growth and establishment as a capital meant the psychological blow of losing the city would have been great
Franz Halder really looked liked he aged in clip 6:05-6:22 after his release from Dachau and he looked quite healthy too but he really aged. After all he was only 61 and died almost 30 years later.
Well you know he was an evil scumbag and I’m sure he’s down and help right now and eternity is a very very very long time as solve a bitch hasn’t escaped anything.
This scene unintentionally makes Hitler look a lot smarter than his generals. May say something that even when ya wanna portray him has a maniacal madman, he actually comes off as correct
He was part of an early coup attempt that would see him in charge of the army, this was found out when the July plot happened. He was arrested, but not involved in the July plot.
Just a little note for any history teacher and school. Principal, both. Winds of War and War and Remembrance is what’s not in history class like it should be and sooner or later this will happen again , also most people don’t know Germany still has writings locked up that flat state they could do this again if world starts to collapse on its Economy
Inaccurate. The meeting between Guderian made him look to be scared of Adolf. In reality Guderian was quite firm with AH even to the point of shouting at AH. Guderian was solid.
Skilled and able Generals and Field Marshalls only to be subject to the ever increasing lunacy of a dictator going mad. Erwin Rommel was one example of this!!
I’m amazed at how many Field Marshals, Generals and other expert Military Strategists there are here in this comments section. If only the Wehrmacht had had half the expertise available here. Wow!
This was a great bit of TV the likes of they don't make anymore but it has played with history a little. I believe the fact Hitler was near the front in WW1 contributed to his loss of WW2. He still had trench mentality and kept refusing to pull back. In the end, he was an amateur fighting a professional war. Heinz Guderian was the man who showed Hitler lightening war but Hitler decided it was all his idea and so he was far too cocky and lost.
Actually it's Halder and the generals whoade the mistake, not Hitler. Germany lacked oil for the war machine, and Hitler needed the oil from the Causasus. But Halder and co wanted to go to Moscow because they though by taking the capital the USSR would surrender.
Jim moore that is literally a myth spread by halder after the war, who blamed everyone but himself and propagated the clean Wehrmacht myth despite himself probably being the main reasons why Germany lost
He became like that towards the end of the war, but not in 1941/2. His doctor prescribed him dozens of psychiatric drugs, as the war took a toll on his health and I think he was under the influence of strong meds in the last 2 years of war.
@@PurpleCat9794 According to Hitler’s youth friend August Kubizek he already had angry outbursts as a teenager. However, I can imagine it became worse with the use of drugs and the tide of the war turning against him.
Hitler himself designated Moscow as the goal of Army Group Center. He bragged that he would hold a parade there at the end of summer 1941. When the attack was stopped on the city's outskirts, he demanded that there should be no retreat and that the army should hold where the troops stood so as to mount a new attack on Moscow in 1942. However the Russians counterattacked and pushed the Germans away from Moscow.
It has come to my knowledge that this Halder character! Made all he could to sabotage Rommels Africa core and made up stories to make himself in a better light!
Do you know is seen in five minutes and 40 seconds makes me disgusted like they give a damn about what was going on in the front lines or what those deadhead units were doing when they follow up their armies advance they knew they knew and then give a flying fuck didn’t try to stop I don’t chase him he’s people are in hell yes they’re in hell and eternity is a very very very long time.
To be fair to Hitler, i think re-assigning army group center to the southern caucasus was a better idea than attacking Moscow. Even if Halder did somehow capture Moscow it probably wouldn't have actually helped that much. Whilst depriving the Soviets of their oil might have deeply impacted their ability to maintain mechanized supply lines and large tank and air formations.
Perhaps they should have sent Army Group North there as well, just to be sure...
That will work, if the US dosen’t offer the Soviets Lend lease.
@@Ken-hw1et They don’t have to. Army groups central and south have enough numbers to spearhead the caucuses without issue (well except the weather messing up their logistics) the central army group would defend the flanks of the advance to the south.
He made some good decisions. He approved Manstein's plan for French invasion, while the generals were against it.
Well, we have here Mr. Vargas, a general of army....at his home... jajaja
5:57 Halder was dismissed by Hitler not replaced and he was dismissed in September 1942 not 1944. Halder's replacement was Gen. Kurt Zeitzler as shown in part 5 of WAR AND REMEMBRANCE.
brian sedlock yes
That’s right! Von Brauschwitz on the other hand was dismissed in the winter of 1941-42 which the series portrays rather accurate.
@@Tramseskumbanan that's right.
@@Tramseskumbanan can't expect a western production to be "historically accurate" especially with themes like Nazism, Wehrmacht, and maybe Soviets.
I stupidly thought that a clip titled "Franz Halder's Diary" would be about Franz Halder's diary. Most of this is from the TV movie "War & Remembrance" from 1988.
Yes, this channel sucks.
I thought there would be quotes from Halder's war diary.
The psychological blow of capturing Moscow would have gone a long way towards ensuring collapse in other places, like the oil regions, and then capturing them without overextension. Not to mention, capturing Moscow would have paralyzed rail traffic in all of Western Russia. The issue then becomes the Germans ability to hold all of that territory. If I were them, I go about installing a friendly government, free of Bolsheviks, taking advantage of anti-Soviet sentiment within the Russian population. We all know that did not happen. Hubris can be deadly
Taking Moscow would achieve little in the grand scheme of things. It would slow down the soviets for a time for sure, but the russians by this time were mobilized, with a full war economy set up throughout the vast territory of the ussr, not just the west. The German war machine would still be at its breaking point. Trains can be rerouted, spirits can be reinvigorated, and a supremacist regime that wishes to systematically exterminate the slavic people will not try to appeal to any slavs by setting up a puppet government or by telling them that the communists are the true enemy.
Even they conquered Moscow, it will be the same as Stalingrad. Nazi's will hold out the place like more than months. Supply problems will be their main problem. The USSR had so much network, they can encircled Moscow so easily.
Hitler was actually right that Moscow was a foolish primary objective for Barbarossa. Stalin was already moving govt functions to Kazan 400 miles east. Moscow as a primary objective was Halder's idea and demonstrated what a traditionalist he was in military planning. Halder made Moscow the primary objective because historically in European wars you defeated your enemy by taking their capital and forcing a surrender. Halder didn't understand war in the modern industrial era nor did he understand Stalin's USSR was unlike any enemy of past European wars. Moscow falling certainly would have been a blow to the Soviets but they certainly would have fought on and the Germans still find themselves in a long war of attrition they're not prepared to fight. Maybe there was no strategy that could defeat the Soviets due to the vast distances, horrible weather and Stalin's willingness to sacrifice any number of Red Army soldiers but Hitler's option of a southern strategy to seize and deprive the resources of Ukraine the Caucasus from Stalin had a better chance of success.
Fantastic television series when I was a young boy. I was enthralled in the history of this time. Some actors in the show were just beginning their careers. It sad to note that todays generation has no clue what happened 80 years ago.
The chewing-out part of this by Hitler is pure Hollywood. He may have been crude and blunt, but not that undignified. Hitler may have thought many of these things, but he never said them.
You're wrong and this is the best portrayal I have ever seen, Untergang/Downfall included.
I thought Spear was smart , but Halder takes some beating , Halder lived longer than Spear dodged a long prison sentence ? and proved to be a hell of a good speaker to Americans after the war so to speak ?
Halder, in my opinion was one of the most pathetic leaders in the German Army. His tendencies to follow orders depend on his personal view of the battlefield. Honestly, if it weren't for him messing up Operation Barborossa Hitler would have had the oil crisis resolved to keep the German War machine pumping for another 2 to 3 years.
Completely agree
He even tried to fuck with rommel in North Africa by putting the italians in charge...
@@issamislam9596 Looks like you all have been watching TIK!
@@stephenobrien5909 - HAHAHA He can be such a wanker at times, and his
political analysis, at times borders on the outright insane, with his "Hitler
and the Nazi's were Socialists...", honestly, wtf is he smoking? If TIK truly
thinks that Nazism and Socialim are the same thing, or even "sing from
the same song book", he's a bloody fool!! As for his Millitary History, he's
is quite honestly one of the best on youtube, imo. Take for example, any
one of his "Battle Storm" series, and he is quite obviously, bloody good at
what he dose!!
EDIT :- Take his "Battstorm Salingrad, Episode 18, Halder blames Hitler and Paulus"
as an example, it's pretty recent, and relatable, back to this video, in as much as it
has Halder in it.
@@karlmuller3690 I agree about his take on campaigns and battles but seriously you would have to be a socialist (and therefore a bit lacking) to think that the nazis and stalanists were not cut from the same cloth, and following the same manual.
Moscow by this time had much more strategic value than in 1812. The convergence of railroads made it critically important from a logistical perspective. While it's growth and establishment as a capital meant the psychological blow of losing the city would have been great
Very good soundtrack l. Something many modern documentaries and WW2 movies heavily lack
It was crazy stuff in the first place to go into Russia, and they should've leaned from Napoleon's awful defeat, they obviously failed miserably
Was Halder's Diary a video diary? What is "an original translated version" anyway?
Franz Halder really looked liked he aged in clip 6:05-6:22 after his release from Dachau and he looked quite healthy too but he really aged. After all he was only 61 and died almost 30 years later.
What is the age
Well you know he was an evil scumbag and I’m sure he’s down and help right now and eternity is a very very very long time as solve a bitch hasn’t escaped anything.
I think the German general staff room bunch of pussies
I’m sure you have me killed but I told Hitler’s suck my dick on that one.
@@Americanpatriot-zo2tk of course.
Halders diary is a fantasy
That looks like Halder on the film
“So honey how was work today?”
Franz Halder is like that wojak crying in bitterness
This scene unintentionally makes Hitler look a lot smarter than his generals. May say something that even when ya wanna portray him has a maniacal madman, he actually comes off as correct
Germany would have been better off not attacking the Soviet Union to start with. Germany didn't stand a minimal chance.
That's true Hitler wanted oil and wheat not Moscow.
It appears to me that Halder may have been a traitor from the beginning
He was part of an early coup attempt that would see him in charge of the army, this was found out when the July plot happened. He was arrested, but not involved in the July plot.
Michael DeBolt he wanted to overthrow Hitler as early as the Czechoslovakia crisis
Ben H IF HE ONLY SUCCEEDED
MANY MILLIONS OF INNOCENT LIFE WHOULD SAVE ...
Imagine thinking entertainment is historically accurate 🤣
Just a little note for any history teacher and school. Principal, both. Winds of War and War and Remembrance is what’s not in history class like it should be and sooner or later this will happen again , also most people don’t know Germany still has writings locked up that flat state they could do this again if world starts to collapse on its Economy
Lol. These shows are laden with historical inaccuracies that I can't even name them all.
Inaccurate. The meeting between Guderian made him look to be scared of Adolf. In reality Guderian was quite firm with AH even to the point of shouting at AH. Guderian was solid.
Wow... that guy looks a lot like Hitler.
One of the best I have seen almost too real when he blows up!
@@oceanhome2023 Robert Berkoff’s Hitler might sometimes have been a little bit too neurotic, otherwise he did a rather good portrayal.
What movie is that?
War and Remembrance. It was a TV miniseries that went on air in late 80's. It was epic.
War and Remembrance
Franz Halder the greatest fabricator of history in the 20th century
I think the Russians have him trumped on that.
They should have sent him to hold france instead
3:04 "nincompoop!" 🤣👏
This guy should have been in charge of the French Occupation.
If they only he'd listen to me! Ich bin so kluge und gut!
Skilled and able Generals and Field Marshalls only to be subject to the ever increasing lunacy of a dictator going mad. Erwin Rommel was one example of this!!
GOD BLess YOU ALL!!!!!!!
It appears that halder was a traitor.
I’m amazed at how many Field Marshals, Generals and other expert Military Strategists there are here in this comments section. If only the Wehrmacht had had half the expertise available here. Wow!
Halder was more focused on the political side of the Wehrmacht than the strategy.
This was a great bit of TV the likes of they don't make anymore but it has played with history a little. I believe the fact Hitler was near the front in WW1 contributed to his loss of WW2. He still had trench mentality and kept refusing to pull back. In the end, he was an amateur fighting a professional war. Heinz Guderian was the man who showed Hitler lightening war but Hitler decided it was all his idea and so he was far too cocky and lost.
Actually it's Halder and the generals whoade the mistake, not Hitler.
Germany lacked oil for the war machine, and Hitler needed the oil from the Causasus. But Halder and co wanted to go to Moscow because they though by taking the capital the USSR would surrender.
Jim moore that is literally a myth spread by halder after the war, who blamed everyone but himself and propagated the clean Wehrmacht myth despite himself probably being the main reasons why Germany lost
The German language, with subtitles, would lend considerable credibility to this effort-not English.
Jaja. The OKH was already eliminated by that time
He was a bit of an emotional fellow this Adolf so it seems. At least according to this portrayal of him.
He became like that towards the end of the war, but not in 1941/2. His doctor prescribed him dozens of psychiatric drugs, as the war took a toll on his health and I think he was under the influence of strong meds in the last 2 years of war.
@@PurpleCat9794
According to Hitler’s youth friend August Kubizek he already had angry outbursts as a teenager. However, I can imagine it became worse with the use of drugs and the tide of the war turning against him.
Hitler himself designated Moscow as the goal of Army Group Center. He bragged that he would hold a
parade there at the end of summer 1941. When the attack was stopped on the city's outskirts, he demanded that there should be no retreat and that the army should hold where the troops stood so as to mount a new
attack on Moscow in 1942. However the Russians counterattacked and pushed the Germans away from
Moscow.
he should have thought of å ⚡️
It has come to my knowledge that this Halder character! Made all he could to sabotage Rommels Africa core and made up stories to make himself in a better light!
Overacted, but still awesome….
This is just nonsense.
Who can know what was said?
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zatial v Rusku radi zomieraju za Rusko v EU ne je to tak
Little to dramatic
Putin's hero.....
Do you know is seen in five minutes and 40 seconds makes me disgusted like they give a damn about what was going on in the front lines or what those deadhead units were doing when they follow up their armies advance they knew they knew and then give a flying fuck didn’t try to stop I don’t chase him he’s people are in hell yes they’re in hell and eternity is a very very very long time.
Fake. Videos
The high command were a bunch of cowards.