Insane NEW 30 Minutes of Hel Split Defense Strategy Makes it a BREEZE!
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- In this video I will show exactly how to get the 30 minutes of hel achievement with all steps included.
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Thirty minutes of hell
Thanks to @MysteriousTrotlix for this information:
If you wait till the hub switches to Katowice, click on the supply hub in Warsaw and then you can click a large green 🟩 star ⭐️ that appears.
Click it and tell it to move the supply capital to Warsaw. This will take 21 days, but afterwards the hold should go smoothly!
Edit: You must reload the game in order for the green star to appear
What do you do if you never get the green star?
Have done this 10-12 times now; with the new DLC, this may be dead. Only once did the capital revert to Warsaw; of course, I made a mistake and lost. Other than that, one time, I could never get Warsaw to reset as the capital, and never saw the Green Star. I'm curious if this is a mistake I am making and this still works for you, or if it is truly dead. I'm off to try your other strat One strat to rule them all. Thank you for all of your videos. I truly enjoy them; hopefully, someday, I will be half as good as you are. Cheers.
@ghost2post thanks for the compliments 😊
Not sure If it all still works or not, haven't had time to try it personally
@@ghost2post Ok I figured it out, the green star will not appear until you do a reload of the game
@hatless_spider The Chew Lou/Bitter Steal gambit still works. I was finally able to get this achievement, but I have to admit yours looked like a lot more fun. Sadly, Germany never attacked the Soviets, so it was just a slog of the Germans throwing themselves at me.
Incompetence of the allies in the Africa stems mostly from the fact that Allies have AI programmed to ignore North Africa at the beginning of the war, because without it, Mussolini got steamrolled in Libya in 1939 and never seen african land again (so it's probably a safe measure to ensure we have a North African campaign from 41)
paradox spaghetti code at its finest
My Italy still gets destroyed in North Africa lol
@@PanzerkampfwagenVITigerIAusfE i think it only applies to AI vs. AI combat
Im being steamrolled at africa too, glad to see its histoircaly accurate. Although it gets annoying when my 6th roman empire attempt in a row is stopped due to fuxking libya
Decided to go Aussa African liberation campaign for fun, everything good, Italians are barely holding Tobruk,Vichy's central Africa has 18 axis divisions cut off supply, entire west coast is under mine/allied control. FF 1940-1941. Germany steamrolls North Africa due to UK taking all divisions out, leaving 4 half dead, starved and unsupplied Belgian and French divisions to protect Egypt.
Btw, entire Italian fleet is only 32 destroyers + 12 subs
the german who's been on the polish front for 2 years watching in sheer horror as the poles begin to counterattack
I might be about to make you mad if you didn't know this:
If you save and reload the game every 2 days the AI will never declare war/attack you. Meaning you can wait until you are fully prepared for war and easily get the 30 minutes of hell achievement.
LOL I’m not mad!
That’s pretty epic actually, although incredibly tedious 😂
@@hatless_spider yeah it was very tedious, but i figured that stuff out by myself by accident so it also was quite satisfying for me.
So save and force quit the application every two days?
Ok but how can you save in ironman?
@@ivanristic5512it will save upon exiting the game automatically
Thanks for defending my city. Greetings from Katowice.
Hurrah!
It is very defensible 😁
Give it back to us Germans
Nuh@@smurfsurf67
Sending hate from Krakow 😤
@@theshadowforce3438 this is why u were occupied for half the video... smh
The said Stalingrad were hard, but they underestimated Kattowice and Warsaw
They said my Poland was weak…
In the 50's Katowice were named Stalinogród, so it checks out.
I just did this and got the achievement, Thank you HatlessSpider!
A few things that I did differently in my run as other comments have noted: 1) I just opened and saved tediously under 48 hours to prevent germany from declaring on me 2) I was able to move my supply hub by clicking a button on Warsaw (idek how that happened but 21days until it got supply) 3) I opened and saved real quick if they were wittling down Warsaw too much 4) I just played it until they declared on the Soviets and Germany had 1.5 mil casualities. It was a pretty easy achievement.
Thank you so much! I always thought that 30 minutes of Hel was wayy to hard for me even though I have plenty of experience in the game. But this strategy was just ridiculously easy as you trick the ai into believing that ur pretty much dead sp they nonstop cycle charge you and essentially kill themselves. Really fun strategy!
Thanks! Glad it worked out well for you!
26:08 a better solution to baiting the AI into attacking you is to withdraw a couple units from the frontline at a time. As soon as the AI thinks your frontline is “weak”, they’ll restart their offensives. It won’t compromise your troop’s organization and you won’t suffer breakthroughs like when you fired a frontal assault.
Oddly enough this video is working for the achievement, despite the fact i made a few adjustments on focuses mainly. I have tried simular strategies in the past with these 2 tiles, the result wasn't even close to 1.8M. Well done.
Least smart HatlessSpider be like:
(Actually well done, man's a HOI4 genius)
Thank you! Hope you enjoyed it
@@hatless_spider I am really enjoying it, I like the touch of the Polish music
For anyone who is trying to do this achievement with Gotterdammerung, and finding none of the old strategies seem to work, I managed to complete it just now using a modified version by holding Kartowice and Krakow as the 5 tiles next to a Czechoslovak puppet, I also released Belarus and Ukraine, but kept Lithuanian territory, I managed to stay alive with 99% capitulation. Prioritizing building forts in Krakow and then AA, I used essentially the same templates as in the video for my divisions, though I did not change any and kept all 64 to hold the larger front lines, having a larger bubble like this allows you to retreat into areas not under attack to re-org as well as cross through the Czech puppet's neutral territory. Ultimately was able to get over 5M German casualties by the end of 1942, even capitulated them once Allies got their shit together. There is still some RNG I believe in this strategy as the Germans never declared war on the Soviets and the Soviets also waited about a year to attack after demanding the East of Poland.
You always find the most unique strategies. Holding onto the capital is quite genius.
Worked very well got it my first try, appreciate it hatless. Your other strategies I was too bad to be able to pull off it seems, but this one worked super well!!!
Awesome!
Absolutely amazing guide! I tried it out and even though i took a few liberties of my own and may have made some wrong it still worked just as amazing and I did not loose any divisions taking back Europe
It works indeed, second capital hub trick is literally next level play. The only major annoyance is, when war with soviets begins, Germans start refusing to attack you at all. Putting your armies on exercise helps to lure them into assault, but that can be a bit dangerous (because exercise lowers org much). Still, good way to do it, much appreciated.
You can always go on the offensive when they stop attacking as much too.
You’d probably need to be a bit careful not to overextend, but you can always offensively inflict casualties
I've tried several different strategies, both from youtube and from my own mind, but this one is the one that worked! Excellent tutorial for sure.
11:17 I've never seen the fort sprite just pop out of the ground like that (between Krakow and Katowice)
Freshly built haha
I think i might have a semi solution to the capitol supply hub issue. What I did was reloaded that game and i think it tricked the game into moving it back to Warsaw after about a week or two. Not thoroughly tested, but if anyone is struggling give it a try.
Good stuff, thanks!
@@hatless_spider You can also click on the hub in warsaw and manually move the capital there (little green star just like the capital on map). It takes 21 days to move there.
@MysteriousTrotlix hey can you give more info on where to find the little green star?
I'm not seeing it anywhere
Edit: found it!
Hey Hatless and everybody, thanks for the video! I had the same issue with the supply hub. I was always counting on the "capital hub" indicator, but in the end it switched even though that for a moment it said regular "supply hub. At the end of October all was well!
Nice! Glad it worked out in the end for you.
It appears based on all the player data I’m getting from comments that it is somewhat of an RNG thing.
Sometimes it will switch back properly and then it’s an easy hold, and sometimes for whatever reason it will refuse to switch
Little note around 6:15 to slightly optimize more. I would HIGHLY recommend one of your generals be Stainslaw Sosabowski, simply because you can gives him Camouflage Expert before you even unpause, and that 50% CAS damage reduction is nothing to sneeze at.
Additionally, with the MIO's I would very much recommend going into the ones for Arty and Inf equipment, they both have bonuses that can increase your production efficiency gain and/or cap, and every little bit helps here. Same for tanks, if you plan to use space marines later.
@@josephcola9662 ooh good idea!
@hatless_spider put in an edit like a minute ago, don't know if you saw it or not, but thanks.
@@josephcola9662 I see all 😄
@@hatless_spider lol
Incredible guide.
Thank you so much for this amazing Video!
one more thing about moving your capital hub, the tile the supply hub is in has to not be in active combat, because if it is the green star doesnt show up meaning you cant move the supply capital
As a Czech from Zaolzie, I think this is absolutely hilarious.
Psst: it's good to add ambusher to the field marshal, as his extra entrenchment stat is applied fully to all the armys in his command +5 entrenchment. Then for each general give them infantry expert as they can take advantage of the full +10% bonus (the field marshal will only give +5% from what I'm aware of).
Instead of doing the fallback line you can do the field marshal frontline/garrison order to continue getting planning bonus
True, but the nice thing about the fallback line is that the troops will automatically reinforce.
@@hatless_spider can't you do the frontline, assign half the divisions to it and leave another half at fallback line?
21:01 that's... that's what... that's what she said....
Hmm 🤔
I’ve never been told that 😂😂
make sure your warsaw general is spamming last stand if units get low org otherwise they will be deleted (learnt that the hard way and only had 8 divs holding warsaw)
can you do another version of this? i think that with the new update doesn't work anymore... invece tried so many times
An absolutely great video!
Thanks!
did this achievement after watching the speedrun vid.. worked great
If only Poland had thought of this in real life
It could have been so easy 😂
fire video
1939 start date feels so rushed. They don't even have historical 1938 tech 😂
The hoi4 supply has been so bugged lately, constantly bugging out saying supply hubs that should clearly have access to your capital have no connection.
I was playing domocratic Germany and Russia was being a pain , I had liberated a democratic Russia and I think they joined Japan , I was at war with Japan and for some reason the territory I took from them had no supply.
Thank you!!
If you queue up your manpower in recruiting before germany attacks you and abort recruiting after everything has fallen, then you can have three times more the manpower.
Had to do that achievement with no focus tree and research unlocked, dlcs bugging out, even if you capitulate its not the end, you can remake your army in ingerland then naval invade northern france and keep going
You should have waited with gun upgrade before u made "prepare for inevitable"
Tbh that’s a good idea!
@@hatless_spider to get more out of it, check if czechs have retained any of their tech and if you can license it. They're slightly ahead of poles in arms and licensing gives 20% bonus to research.
I'm having a severe issue where despite not joining the allies warsaw still takes too long to become the supply capital, causing every run to fail.
same
Спасибо. Именно твой гайд помог :)
They declare whenever ngl first the 25th and then the 24th
at the end he kinda looks like ireland
Genius!
Now please do cheese your fighter!
Hmm I don’t remember what achievement this is
@@hatless_spider As Norway with Peder Jarlsberg, Own Telemark, Gloucestershire, Normandy, Lombardia and Holland
Worked great but I ended up losing at 1.1 mil german casualties since Warsaw Garrison fell. All 14 units were slowly killed cause Germans NEVER stopped attacking. Is there any solution for this? Do I need to make it so they sit on Warsaw + 1 tile next to it? I'm rly annoyed as it was going so well.
EDIT: SOLUTION I FOUND WITH HELP FROM HATLESS SERVER IS BELOW IN REPLIES TO THIS COMMENT :D
the same thing happens to me
@@andregamealeatorio4395 I figured out the solution. You basically need to just quit the game and then go back in to it/the save. The germans stop attacking for a few hours. It took me 4-5 times going back in or out but it gave my warsaw guys enough few hours to regain org. Eventually the germans will just fully stop attacking and let your warsaw guys full entrench.
At that point its certain you'll win. The germans cant break your fully orged/entrenched warsaw garrison and in my game they basically stopped attacking Warsaw at all after that.
I think its a matter of simply regaining enough org through the save strat to convince AI that warsaw ISNT about to fall (which is the original reason why they keep incessantly attacking, (AI feels they can take the city so they keep attacking due to low org))
i have a question: couldn't you have banked manpower through the recruit and deploy tab so you wouldnt lose it all in the initial invasion and not have to go up conscription law? or does it not work like that?
I could have, yes.
But for simplicity I just did it the regular way, since that works as well 😀
U shouldve added engineer company into division so they entrench alot more than base entrenchment
It doesn't work, or works very randomly that I could not make it in any try. Supply comes back to Warsaw very late, around 1st Nov. So the units there get pretty badly messed up already until supply comes. Plus there is a weapon scarcity, units that pull back come back with re-org, but not properly supplied. Probably the Götterdämmerung expansion changed things.
@@martedichillmusic1339 making a new one currently that should be out soon 😃
@@hatless_spider It didn't work for me neither so I am happy to hear that!
i said 30 minutes of hell but you hold one tile i guess that came true mostly
Neat
*snaps pic*
Really nice video, but please next time turn your ingame music off
Since the ai got buffed during gotterdamerung this is no longer easy, or possible question mark-
Just turn dlc off
@@fatalsiege. even without the dlc
@@CrashJuice just go back an update
I've tried this twice, and the capital supply hub stays in Katowice, even if I refuse the invitation to Allies.
Not sure why it doesnt work for me, followed your steps exactly but warsaw falls everytime since AI will keep hammering into it and since its one tile only there is no chance to reorg
Hmm did it get supplies?
Once they get supplies I’ve never seen the defense collapse there
@@hatless_spider Yeah I got supplies there but they put way more troops around Warsaw than in your video, troop count and template also matches yours exactly.
Nevermind, for some reason going back to main menu will make them stop attacking and its its enough time to get the org backup, managed to do it this way
@@garyh2y479ohh good find!
My game just decided not to have warsaw as a capital hub. I waited for the rest of poland to be taken and then joined allies, but no let katowize be capital hub forever.
If you click on warsaw in supply mode it should give you an option to move capital hub back to Warsaw.
I keep having warsaw stop being the supply capital, like I even reloaded, manually switched it to warsaw, it worked for a bit, then it switched back. I am wondering if the german cas is doing enough damage to the supply hub that the game registers it as too damaged to be used or something?
I never joined the allies and Warszawa still didn't return to having the capital hub
@grcq07_apex check pinned comment and comments within it.
There is still a way to get it to work
hey i uh attempted to do this but the capitla hub kept switching to katowice and then back to warsaw and then my troops died
I’ve been hearing this in a lot of comments.
Unfortunately I think it may just be an rng thing, so you may have to restart until it works.
If we ever figure out exactly what causes the switch, I’ll be sure to update it!
Tried this, but AI attacked my force in Warsaw non-stop, so they were dead in november-december :(
Another person said they had this happen, but they reloaded the save and then they stopped with the all out attacks and they were able to win
@@hatless_spider Tried again, now i am stuck in siberia in 1946 (Germany annexed) :)
My Warsaw didn’t become capital again :(
Im a bit of a noob on HOI4 specifically (maybe I shouldn't be watching cheese/exploit videos, lol), but I don't understand how this specific exploit works: Is it the concentration of forces on those 2 tiles? I understood the trick with the faction supply and the puppet supply, but as far as I can see your templates are not special, and you don't have a lot of them. Also understood holding enough VP to not capitulate with the high war support. It's just battle wise that I'm confused.
I wanted to think it's the rotation of troops into the puppet to re-org but the capital tile is also holding with no rotation of troops? How are you holding and how are they taking so much casualties? (just from entrenchment and terrain?)
I don't need a full explanation but if you could point me in the correct direction that'd be awesome 😅🙏
Templates aren’t super special. The biggest things are digging in and shooting down cas so they don’t whittle us down to nothing.
Cycling the troops into Katowice is the biggest thing this Strat offers.
It basically makes it so you don’t have to worry about losing either tile, and Germany tries harder to kill us off than other strats offer
@@hatless_spider Ah thank you! I'll look towards more AA. Your vids are insane XD gives me hope for styling on majors with tiny countries.
Hey the supply hub changed… to Warsaw but divisions were still getting negative modifier encirclement.. after some months all divisions were killed and I lost… why did this happen even though I was on warsaw
1)don't you need military access from czechs for it to work?
2)I can't see clearly, but feel like in Warsaw you're using a single tile. Doesn't it give you an encircled penalty and kill your units? Wouldn't the classic Warsaw-Lodz riverline strat work too?
3)idk, by releasing Belarus and Ukraine you can slowly start to request their forces, no? Plus use their manpower.
1. Because Czechia is a puppet, we automatically have military access.
2. Yes, Warsaw is a single tile, but it holds well as long as we get supplies there.
The classic line works OKish, but it’s much less efficient and more likely to get overrun
3. You could do that with Belarus and Ukraine, but it isn’t too helpful. Really the only issue with this strategy is is that sometimes for unknown reasons it seems that the supply will not return to warsaw
@@hatless_spiderI tried a couple of times,last time I noticed that there is a button if you click on Warsaw's hub." Move capital hub" here.
Capital hub still doesn't want to move back to Warsaw even though i did not join allies. Kinda weird.
Ahhh might have to try a restart.
But might be that while it seemingly worked for me, it is some sort of weird rng
@@hatless_spider Loooool after 7 retries it finally clicked around October
Had the same problem
Remember allies oblitirerqting thw italians, now its the italians obliterating the allies in north africa, what happen
i tried this strategy but i wasnt able to release Czechoslovakia as a puppet, the button wouldn’t work unless i released them not as a puppet. is this a known issue?
Hmm not that I have heard of.
Unless perhaps you don’t have a dlc or something that allows that.
Maybe try reloading the save
I cannot get my supply capital to stay in warsaw, it always moves to katowice and never moves back. I've restarted about 10 times now and still no luck.
Awww man I really thought I had it all ironed out.
It worked for me in 3 out of 4 times.
Only other thing I can suggest is to try to look for Warsaw hub still being labeled as the capital hub
I got an option when in F4 mode to click on warsaw and chose to move capital hub to Warsaw. Same as when you chose whether allies may use your supply.
HOW DID YOU PRONOUNCE ZAOLZIE?!
Oh no lol did I do that wrong? 😅
@@hatless_spider You pronounced it "Zalzi" Xd
But for a person who doesn't speak polish this is quite acceptable though, because it's pronounced quite weirdly.
@@szpaklabs8893ah gotcha.
How is it phonetically pronounced to be the proper way?
@@hatless_spider simply call it Olsagebiet, so both poles and czechs are pissed. Problem solved xD
Would this work if I hold krakow and a box around it?
Potentially. You just need to connect to the Czech territory
Does it still work with the newest dlc? My supply capital wont ever change and i have done like 10 runs
@@igorplewako1137 check pinned messages, but also I am making a new guide for götterdammerung
Can't you stock manpower by spam train units anymore?
You can, I just didn’t want to bother with doing that.
It probably would have saved me from having to switch to sbr though.
But either way, I wanted the focus to be more on the fast achievement of 1.8 mill casualties rather than on other exploits
Whilde doing it my divisions at capital are dieying with no reason why
Another person said they had this happen, but they reloaded the save and then they stopped with the all out attacks and they were able to win
@@hatless_spider ı guess the solution is try again for the fastest capital supply hub recovery ı try it like 20 times and at my last (current :D), it came back immediately and early 40 already 450k casualties thx
I FINALLY DID IT THANK YOU SOOOOOOO MUCH MAN
Does this work in old no dlc hoi4 Poland focus tree
It might, but I’m not certain.
Would be worth a try
@@hatless_spider I don’t think the “prepare for the inevitable” part of the focus tree exists in earlier versions so it would be much more difficult to, I’ll give it a try anyway.
@@hatless_spider it’s working out perfectly fine
@@dizzypukas8410ohh nice good to know!
Yeah you can still at least siphon guns from the Germans as I did with maintenance companies
@@hatless_spider to be honest , (I don’t know why) but I had verry few equipment problems at all
why did u not defend krakow?
It could potentially be defended, but would be more difficult especially early on
Why i dont have the focus tree with Prepare for the inevitable? evrything else i have so can i even do this?
Oh you need Man in Guns DLC for this technique i dont have this one. it is impossible without i have no Guns what i should do? next time you need to say this
@GermanMcCookies it is still possible without the dlc, but more difficult since you can't get all the guns for free.
If you add maintenance companies in you can get a lot of guns and equipment still
@@hatless_spider Yes! Good luck i am not a noob in this game but the 10k guns would do it very easy but thanks you for the advice. I was still in my first run, now i have my second achievement ever. I normally play with mods and had only one single game without so it is my second Achievement after 1k houres
Every time i have to click on Katowice (Green Star) to change supply hub and then it suddently give me the capital hub back in warsaw idk why it is so bugy.
Is it just me or did he re-upload?
Sort of, I redid everything in this though, new recording and new editing.
The last vid I could tell people didn’t care for the speedrun aspect
@@hatless_spider Oh that's why this one is so different, and you didn't have a facecam this time.
hatless my capital hub keeps switching back and forth and my units in warsaw died. do you know why this happens?
Did you wait to join the allies?
That seemed to fix that issue for me
@@hatless_spider it did that thing before and after joining the allies. I simply did Warsaw uprising because I ended up capitulating. But since I'd already inflicted 550k and a lot of equipment losses the Germans struggled against the Soviet a lot more.
@@KaiserMateo115I think if it ever switches Katowice to being the capital hub, that is what messes it up.
So as long as it says capital hub in Warsaw then it should be fine as far as supplies
Why are my units dieing in Warsaw?
You have to remove the suppply hub there either manually or automatically
Sorry, every time I tried this all the divisions in Warsaw get destroyed because the Germans do not stop attacking at all. Thumbs down from me.
Another person said they had this happen, but took a save, and when they reloaded the save the Germans stopped with the all out attacks and they were able to win
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