Paul Gertner Magician Cups & Steel Balls.

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  • A performance of a classic illusion of magic by Paul Gertner from his one-man show. Grey Box Theater/February 2013

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  • @TheLowLifeArtist
    @TheLowLifeArtist 7 лет назад +22

    It's one of those tricks where the more you know about the trick the more you can respect just how clean that was executed.

  • @kunkushun1
    @kunkushun1 8 лет назад +111

    Guys been under rated for too long. He's a nice genuine person and crafty hard working sleight of hand man as u see here. Glad he fooled Penn and Teller

    • @mwang217
      @mwang217 8 лет назад +3

      Idk, I liked the trick he used against P&T but I saw nearly all the sleight of hands in this. :/

    • @VinZ9973
      @VinZ9973 8 лет назад +3

      of course it's because you have seen a lot of magic of this kind.. It's supposed to fool 1st timers.

    • @paulgertnermagic
      @paulgertnermagic  8 лет назад +20

      Thanks for the nice comments Dustin.

    • @kunkushun1
      @kunkushun1 8 лет назад +4

      +Paul Gertner No problem buddy! Appreciate you being considerate enough to write me back. Hope to see you at a magic lecture sometime :)

    • @davidmurvai40
      @davidmurvai40 5 лет назад +2

      Twice. He fooled them TWICE 🤯

  • @tomfurgas2844
    @tomfurgas2844 7 лет назад +3

    His loading of the balls under the cups is impeccable. Flawless.

  • @dmjdmj
    @dmjdmj 7 лет назад +102

    I love that I know EXACTLY how this is done and I saw NOTHING. Baffles me.

    • @9and7
      @9and7 5 лет назад +4

      You really wanna baffle yourself?
      Watch in slow-motion and you'll still be baffled.

    • @jasoding
      @jasoding 5 лет назад +2

      @Mike Lennon play the video in 0.5 speed and focus on his hands. You will see the best slide of hands in the world.

    • @catmanh2o257
      @catmanh2o257 4 года назад

      How'd you figure it out?

    • @mike-vg6hl
      @mike-vg6hl 4 года назад

      @@9and7 im watching it at .25 speed, still cant figure it, surely im dumber than yours

    • @Chinookman
      @Chinookman 3 года назад +1

      Untold hours alone in front of a mirror....ever try to teach yourself sleight of hand from a book back in the day, or a RUclips now? Uncountable hours of practice. Respect....

  • @tombstoneharrystudios584
    @tombstoneharrystudios584 Год назад +2

    The Cups & Balls is my favourite trick…I’ve learnt versions from the works of Dai Vernon, Michael Ammar & Aldo Colombini
    I’ve been fortunate enough to see the great Gazzo do his street cups
    I’ve laughed at Penn And Teller’s Clear Cups and Balls
    But Paul Gertner’s version is the one I always come back and watch

  • @infinitytv4420
    @infinitytv4420 3 года назад +1

    I saw your routine as a child, I’m 32 now.. just the best. Absolutely the best. Thanks Paul!

  • @lesvance01
    @lesvance01 8 лет назад +17

    I am probably not the best audience because I really do want to be amazed. Mr Gertner made my jaw drop.

    • @paulgertnermagic
      @paulgertnermagic  8 лет назад +12

      Leslie. Audiences that want to be amazed are absolutely the best audiences.

    • @lesvance01
      @lesvance01 8 лет назад +8

      Just watched again. Glad there aren't any flies buzzing around. I have such a wide grin on my face that they would've flown right in.

  • @ricardocastillo5485
    @ricardocastillo5485 3 года назад +2

    Cups and balls is an art form, I love it when someone comes up with a new spin on it.

  • @illomens2766
    @illomens2766 7 лет назад +3

    By far the best performance of the cups and balls I've seen. And SO charming.
    You're a treasure Paul, thank you for posting this on RUclips for people to enjoy.

  • @alexhetherington8028
    @alexhetherington8028 3 года назад +1

    This is one of my top 3 favourite cups and balls routines

  • @misofac
    @misofac 8 лет назад +59

    This one almost seems to be an instructional video. If you know how it's done, you can follow along easily. Still, the moves are very clear and seem natural, the performance is top notch, and the whole twist with adding the sound is a really nice one. This is definitely one of my favorite performances of cups and balls.

  • @Jovius2k
    @Jovius2k 8 лет назад

    Just as I remember, and I'm still enthralled by it. Thank you, sir.

  • @SeeminglyOdd
    @SeeminglyOdd 5 лет назад

    Adding the sound element into the trick breath a whole new life into it. I loved it.

  • @yancoh307
    @yancoh307 2 месяца назад

    Beautifully done. This was one of the first cups and balls routines I ever saw, and it is as good as I remembered. It is hard to catch the moves even now that I do a different version of this trick.

  • @magesentron
    @magesentron 8 лет назад

    Seeing Mr. Gertner perform this on television was a major reason I became interested in magic and especially the cups and balls. This still inspires me every time I watch it and I'm sure it will continue to inspire new generations of magicians far into the future.

    • @paulgertnermagic
      @paulgertnermagic  8 лет назад

      I'll bet you saw me do this routine in Mister Rogers Neighborhood when you were just a kid. Or possibly on Worlds Greatest Magic. Glad you enjoyed the routine.

    • @magesentron
      @magesentron 8 лет назад

      Paul Gertner World's greatest magic! It was astonishing! Your routine was a huge reason I still spend every day perfecting my own cups and balls routine. :) So honored you replied!

  • @JeffWalshPhotography
    @JeffWalshPhotography 7 лет назад +1

    First time I saw this was on Worlds Greatest Magicians...it amazed me then and now. Easily one the best C&B routines, and extremely enjoyable to watch

  • @jemntertainment
    @jemntertainment 5 лет назад +1

    Excellent routine. Love the steel balls. Great misdirection

  • @musicandcoffee2853
    @musicandcoffee2853 7 лет назад +2

    He's a solid magician, always has been in my opinion. Masterful work indeed!

  • @ts552
    @ts552 7 лет назад

    You know it is a great act when you can see & follow every single move & technique, you know exactly how he does every single bit of it... but it only makes you respect & like the act more... Very nicely done - huge respect from Turkey

  • @seanharmon1
    @seanharmon1 7 лет назад +1

    Too good.

  • @Dreadpirate404
    @Dreadpirate404 8 лет назад +1

    I looooooove this cups and balls!!!

  • @TheDige
    @TheDige 8 лет назад

    This was pure fun, and made me smile. Just great, enjoyable magic. Thank you!

    • @paulgertnermagic
      @paulgertnermagic  8 лет назад

      Glad that you enjoyed my magic.

    • @jason420jv1
      @jason420jv1 8 лет назад

      Paul Gertner your C&b routine , ammar , Ricky Jay , Tommy wonder , and of course the professor are my favorite C&b routines . PS
      ( yours is my favorite 👌😉👍 👏😐👏😐👏😐 ) R.I.P DAI VERNON R.I.P Tommy wonder 👏😢👏😢👏😢 all of you made me fall in love with magic ( thank you ) 🙈🙉🙊☮☯⚛🎲♥♣♦♠🃏

  • @mattikaki
    @mattikaki 7 лет назад

    As a maintenance engineer and magician I really enjoy this. Thanks.

  • @cgstonewick4927
    @cgstonewick4927 5 лет назад

    I briefly met Paul Gertner at a magic competition in SC. After the competition, Mr. Gertner was working one on one with some of the competitors. freely giving his time and energy for love of the art. The man, and his Magic are both Truly Inspirational.

  • @OdegardOnline
    @OdegardOnline 8 лет назад +1

    That was very nice. I like the addition of sound to the routine - it adds a whole new dimension of fun and foolery. This is definitely a routine I'm going to study!

  • @DanTheStripe
    @DanTheStripe 7 лет назад

    Brilliant execution of the Cups and Balls. The element of sound really adds to the trick!

  • @ceyhunpasaoglu
    @ceyhunpasaoglu 3 года назад

    So calm and professional!

  • @ijbicycle
    @ijbicycle 7 лет назад

    Absolutely Amazing! Wow! Thank you! THAT! is entertainment!!!

  • @le4ieme
    @le4ieme 6 лет назад

    I know nothing about "routines" or "balls and cups" but it took me a while to understand how you managed to do each trick. Had to watch over and over again to understand. Very clever and quite simple when you think about it! It's all about timing. Amazing show !

  • @frnktsnfx
    @frnktsnfx 6 лет назад

    Wow very nice cups and balls routine!!

  • @northernrider780
    @northernrider780 4 года назад

    Definitely my favourite version of the cups and balls, not just for the steel balls and metal cups but the extra balls too and the thing is I know how it's done, I see the moves, but I still really enjoy it and that's a rare thing.

  • @sixthgradesupport
    @sixthgradesupport 5 лет назад

    Awesome! He’s a fun magician to watch.

  • @AvidMovieMan
    @AvidMovieMan 8 лет назад

    Fantastic. I really enjoyed watching your performance.

  • @KinnereyB
    @KinnereyB 8 лет назад +7

    Your handling is impeccable

  • @harimadhav4578
    @harimadhav4578 8 лет назад

    Magic never ceases to amaze 😍

  • @az7500
    @az7500 3 года назад

    Probably the Best Cups and Balls Routine of all time

  • @Pickle1762
    @Pickle1762 5 лет назад

    the performance is absolutely brilliant, i re-watch this trick which you performed at Penn&Teller sometimes. Just because it is so beautiful.

  • @PhilRaso
    @PhilRaso 7 лет назад

    Awesome. I remember you did this on the Tonight Show. I have S&S book but I can't do a faro shuffle. I remember meeting you in Chicago. You were working the Plastics Show. You were very nice. And it was a good show. Glad you still are doing this trick.

  • @CapnCoCo1
    @CapnCoCo1 7 лет назад

    Fantastic version of this trick.

  • @phishhead42032
    @phishhead42032 4 года назад

    Love ya Paul!

  • @efthymiosgkoritsas3267
    @efthymiosgkoritsas3267 8 лет назад

    paul Your sleight of hand is incredible everything is really smooth great work man !!

    • @paulgertnermagic
      @paulgertnermagic  7 лет назад

      After 40+ years a routine should look polished I guess. Glad you liked that.

  • @TheIlluminator
    @TheIlluminator 7 лет назад

    First time I saw you was when I was a kid on Mister Rogers Neighborhood... You are the best...

  • @tracylykins6825
    @tracylykins6825 Месяц назад

    That was great!

  • @thegreatcahyo
    @thegreatcahyo 3 года назад

    Hi Paul. I saw your act in Fism. Always best as always.

  • @JelloTricks
    @JelloTricks 8 лет назад

    It feels great learning magic, i know how he did all of what he did, great act, you got me at the end of the trick with the big ball

  • @Saudimagician
    @Saudimagician 8 лет назад +1

    The best cups and balls i have ever seen
    Ur magician fan from Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia

  • @thatstheway103
    @thatstheway103 6 лет назад +1

    AHH MY MIND!
    Fr though what a nice guy. I’d get into magic if I had such a teacher :)

  • @JaviusSama
    @JaviusSama 2 года назад

    This is one of the tricks where the performance is the key part. Yes, we all know the moves and can see when he makes them (not really, it's just that I know WHEN he's supposed to make them), but the performance is so amazing that I don't care.
    I LOVE THIS TRICK.

  • @antayac
    @antayac 7 лет назад

    Sneaking that last ball in is genius.

  • @PickACard-wm2wu
    @PickACard-wm2wu 7 лет назад

    Amazing as usual ya rock

  • @gman5264
    @gman5264 2 года назад

    This is incredibly impressive, I can't even read your moves!

  • @masol9410
    @masol9410 2 года назад

    Wow, amazing

  • @jhsdfjhgjh
    @jhsdfjhgjh 7 месяцев назад

    My magic inspiration.. 👍

  • @RovnoMagic
    @RovnoMagic 8 лет назад

    Wow... ..almost better than when I saw you do this routine on Johnny Carson's Tonight Show. This is wonderful Paul. I am teaching at Camp Pillsbury this summer and I am showing them basic moves and talking about you as one of the living legends with the cups and balls. I am so excited to show them this routine.......but not your secrets of course. Continued success Paul.

    • @paulgertnermagic
      @paulgertnermagic  8 лет назад

      This is my favorite performance of the cups. Came from a live front camera shot from a theater show... footage that I normally throw away. I love the angle and the infinity look of the screen behind me. Glad you enjoyed it Michael.

  • @shakespeare87
    @shakespeare87 6 лет назад

    Now I know how the steel noise was created... Darn Sneaky.. Never thought of that. You sir a genius.

  • @tommyvaughanhaus
    @tommyvaughanhaus 2 года назад

    So good.

  • @ShadowCreek893
    @ShadowCreek893 7 лет назад

    I would love to learn this from him. Best Iv seen!

  • @syrianrue
    @syrianrue 7 лет назад

    supremely underrated, master of sleight of hand and card tricks. I can catch the moves as a practitioner, but damn Paul, you are a legend, thanks for the vids and congrats on the fool us unshuffled win...still can't get my F shuffle down, but I am terrible with cards :)

  • @brandonhall6290
    @brandonhall6290 7 лет назад

    Bravo. Perfect.

  • @michelevitarelli
    @michelevitarelli 8 лет назад

    Bravo. great video. thanks for sharing.

  • @ZootBurger
    @ZootBurger 5 лет назад

    Superb!!!

  • @divyanshw4208
    @divyanshw4208 2 года назад

    Brilliant.

  • @leomaida92
    @leomaida92 7 лет назад

    Paul I'm really astonished. Not because I don't know how to do it, but because I've seen a so strong power of misdirection only in Fred kaps. You're really a master because you master this ability.
    I can't explain how much I admire you, I've loved your first video of much years ago, and I've seen it many many times.
    I hope one day I could meet young you came in Italy :)
    Thanks for these videos, you're a great teacher

    • @paulgertnermagic
      @paulgertnermagic  7 лет назад +1

      Thanks so much for the very kind words. Fred Kaps was one of my heros... one magician I never did get a chance to meet but I was very familiar with his work. I am looking forward to doing a lecture tour of Italy... hopefully within the next two years. My wife and I love traveling there and we are looking forward to another visit soon.

  • @Achilles94627
    @Achilles94627 8 лет назад +1

    Genius.

  • @dantrixter
    @dantrixter 3 года назад

    I do love the cup and balls ! I’ve studied the routine a bit, and I’m still trying to come up with my own style of performance, I remember the first time I saw it, blew me away ! Also He sounds just like Daryl I think 🤔

  • @xmarksthespot1372
    @xmarksthespot1372 3 года назад +2

    Training yourself to see through slight of hand is hard, sometimes your eyes are on autopilot and they follow hand movements and cues to trick you or devert the eyes.

  • @amiewee
    @amiewee 5 лет назад

    The master!!

  • @MarkArandjus
    @MarkArandjus 7 лет назад

    Amazing! :D

  • @littlelegend5133
    @littlelegend5133 5 лет назад

    Just Great

  • @violinhunter2
    @violinhunter2 3 года назад

    It's those "pockets" that always come into play. The balls are very real but the pockets are fake. Yes, the hand is much quicker than the eye, especially if the eye is being distracted. :-) Your effects with cards are even more brilliant.... Bravo!!!! This is how one gets to Carnegie Hall.

  • @dwightbaldwin2221
    @dwightbaldwin2221 7 лет назад

    Just got my first "real" set of cups and balls....working on a routine incorporating some of your stuff since you are one of the best!. At my current rate of learning I'll be posting it in about five years

  • @TylerWhitlock
    @TylerWhitlock 7 лет назад +17

    Using Steal balls adds such an amazing element to this entire routine I'd never considered. That of sound. You have impeccable timing throughout. And the last ball was so well timed I was dumbfounded.
    I've done cups and balls for a while, but that last ball came out of nowhere. Great little trick there. What have been your inspirations for the cups and balls routine and in magic in general?

    • @paulgertnermagic
      @paulgertnermagic  7 лет назад +13

      Glad you liked it Tyler. Inspiration was finding steel balls in my dad's toolbox... he was a steel worker from Pittsburgh. I was fortunate to have met and learned from some of the best. Al Goshman, Derek Dingle, Eddie Tullock, Eddie Fechter, Mike Skinner. But the ending to the cups with the big ball... that was given to me by Dai Vernon when I met him at the Magic Castle over 40 years ago. That video is from a show camera right in front of me and it was a perfect performance... everything just hit perfect on the timing... especially that last big ball, like you said it comes from nowhere. Thanks.

    • @TylerWhitlock
      @TylerWhitlock 7 лет назад +3

      Thanks for your response. Learning from such greats would be wonderful, especially Dai Vernon.

    • @mguerra79
      @mguerra79 7 лет назад

      I didn't, and I don't, want to say anything from the performance, but, for me, considering that I don't know anything of this craft, I think I've seen where did the big ball came from... The others I understood where they where, when I was trying to look at that, but the last one, I rewinded once, and I think I can fairly guess where it comes from... Can I say it, sir?

  • @glennewell8108
    @glennewell8108 5 лет назад

    And by the way I loved it when you were on Penn and Teller because your routine is so damn cool

  • @tbwpiper189
    @tbwpiper189 3 года назад

    I have to confess. That took a lots of balls to perform.

  • @HisRoyalJaznness
    @HisRoyalJaznness 8 лет назад +2

    smooth

  • @puyalg
    @puyalg 9 лет назад

    Salute!

  • @BamboodjaOfficial
    @BamboodjaOfficial 6 лет назад +1

    0:35 trick: he has a fake thumb on his left hand and he puts the ball in it, when he grabs for his inner pocket he takes the spongy ball out of the thumb
    1:15 he doesn't toss anything underneath the cup -> There must be a sound making device inside the cup, because as he wiggles the cup, you hear the same sound of when the ball is underneath it
    1:37 He let the first 'metal' ball dissapear in his hands, this can be caused by compressing it, so i think there is a trick where u can lower the density of the ball, eventually he ticks on all 3 cups and 3 balls appear -> Can be caused by falling system if u hit the cup -> ball drops down/ out of some sort of layer
    1:45 you can see he 'releases the ball' and it 'falls through', if u watch closely u can see that his pinky finger and ring finger are closed, he's holding the ball there, by giving the cups a good touch, another ball falls down. Now after this, he wants to add the last cup, and watch closely. The ball he held in his right hand ( ring & pinky finger), with a sleight of hand he releases the ball and lets it slip under the 2nd cup, so now in between the 1st and 2nd cup there's 3 balls. The upper ball disapears in his right hand again
    2:00 he doesn't place the balls under the cups, only at the center cup he does place the ball there, he also ticks twice on the center cup -> 2 balls released
    Ok after this i don't feel clever anymore, i don't get it how he does 3:50 wtf xD

  • @borbetomagus
    @borbetomagus 3 года назад

    Very smooth routine. The effortless explanation and quick pace (which I imagine was anything but while learning this) makes it very successful. I just wonder if the ending sequence could be improved by tipping the last cup that is completely filled with dry or wet sand (either which matching the volume of the cup), Jello, or maybe stacked soap bubbles filled with smoke. (Or has someone already done something similar?) Or doing the same routine as an inept magician (that elicits groans through much of their routine), but (to everyone's surprise) pulls (the equivalent of) 'an elephant' out of the last cup.

  • @dondonestacio99
    @dondonestacio99 8 лет назад

    your amazing

  • @Druthu6800
    @Druthu6800 7 лет назад +1

    Really great inspiring routine.

  • @AegisNova
    @AegisNova 8 лет назад

    You're killin' me, Paul -- killin' me! 😉

  • @mr_nice.
    @mr_nice. 6 лет назад

    ha ha ha.....it's all in the hand......well done!!!

  • @howard494
    @howard494 7 лет назад

    that's a big ol' box of ball bearings that dude had on his lap for awhile

  • @МаксимПанченко-у5к
    @МаксимПанченко-у5к 3 года назад

    Шикарный!!

  • @chrisbr1969
    @chrisbr1969 7 лет назад

    Amazing performer! Great lecturer, as well! What cups are those? They're beauties!

  • @calvintrainer1212
    @calvintrainer1212 7 лет назад

    I got this figured out, very smooth sleight of hands but you can detect it if you look real close. One hand distracts you (and voice) while another brings out. For ex: left hand brought the biggest ball from under the table. I like though

  • @glennewell8108
    @glennewell8108 5 лет назад

    Hey Paul got a good question for you have do you ever teach people to do your routine and if so I would really love to learn it the way you teach it. I do sleight-of-hand hand with sponge balls but I've always wanted to learn the cups and balls

  • @RoachKai
    @RoachKai 7 лет назад

    Watching slow mo can't see the moves... very nice...

  • @WriterCount
    @WriterCount 7 лет назад

    wow

  • @TimothyOBrien1958
    @TimothyOBrien1958 7 лет назад

    Just practicing to do this trick would take so much to get the choreography right.

    • @paulgertnermagic
      @paulgertnermagic  7 лет назад +2

      Timothy your are right. There is a lot of time spent just on making sure the right hand is in the right place at the exact moment... but that is what practice is all about.

  • @padistedor
    @padistedor 6 лет назад

    The Buddy Rich of Magic.

  • @JoRoWi83
    @JoRoWi83 7 лет назад

    I have figured out all the techniques and timing BUT I still can't get a handle on how he is creating the noise on the cups where he is palming the balls... for example when he produces three balls in the center cup but shakes all cups from (our left to right ) to show he is placing them inside.

  • @harrylane4
    @harrylane4 5 лет назад

    Aw, jeez. My bean. It's been freaked.

  • @shawnw7401
    @shawnw7401 7 лет назад

    can I inspect that table sir for magnetic slits

  • @obliviousotterI
    @obliviousotterI 5 лет назад +2

    MY BEAN

  • @1023Endurance
    @1023Endurance 7 лет назад

    I'm here because of penn and teller.

  • @MegalodonKing99
    @MegalodonKing99 3 года назад

    i couldn't find out how he did most of it but i think he dropped the biggest one from out of his sleeve

  • @dylanpollard5156
    @dylanpollard5156 7 лет назад

    I could follow his sleight of hand pretty well for a while, but his misdirection made me miss almost everything else!

  • @solemvow6281
    @solemvow6281 8 лет назад

    paul i know this video is old. but i hope u see this message. i have a HUUUUGE problem doing a faro shuffle ive tried ao many times for 1 month straight and i JUST cant get it i dont know what im doing wrong and ive watched a looot of tutorials. and in ur unshuffled performancd u did around 5 perfe t faro shuffles can u please tell me how to do it??? or how do YOU do it??

    • @paulgertnermagic
      @paulgertnermagic  7 лет назад

      I teach the Faro on a DVD that might help. But make sure you are using good cards. If you Faro from the top down I recommend Phoenix. From the bottom up... then Bee Traditional cut is best. The right cards make a big difference. Here is a link to my DVD and the Unshuffled Instructions.
      paulgertnermagic.com/shop/unshuffling-the-faro-shuffle/

  • @ApothercyCold
    @ApothercyCold 7 лет назад

    So I'm assuming that when you shake the cup to demonstrate the sound of the "ball within" that you actually have palmed the ball in your right hand (camera left) and are simply knocking the ball against the OUTSIDE of the cup to create that ringing sound and the implication that there's a ball within, when the cup is actually empty the entire time? Creative sleight of hand where you never actually pass the ball from your right hand to your left, it actually stays in the right hand, and when you "toss" the ball underneath the cup to place it in there you're actually doing nothing, just quickly performing a motion to imply the ball has been placed within, shaking the cup so it knocks against the ball in your right hand so it seems it's in there, leading to the reveal that the cup is now empty?
    I have never performed magic and am in no way an expert on detecting sleight of hand, this is just a guess - one thing that helped me come to this conclusion is the somewhat clear difference in your cup "shakes". For instance, let's look at the portion of video starting at 2:03 -- you shake the first (left-most on camera) cup while gripping it with your right hand, performing the "ball on outside of cup" sound mentioned above. The cup is pretty firmly in your right hand and never really moves freely relative to that hand; the middle cup, however, you shake in a much "looser" manner, gripping it with your fingertips and allowing it to move quite freely relative to your hand.
    If it weren't for that noticeable difference in the ways you shake the cups to demonstrate there being something inside of them, I doubt I'd have ever caught on on a single view. Of course, these days everybody thinks they're an expert at detecting these things because they can view multiple times and/or in slow motion (or frame-by-frame) but I'm making this assumption based purely on a native-speed initial view.
    If I'm totally wrong here and look like an idiot... well, I tried! If I'm right, then I guess I'm happy! I've always been really interested in sleight of hand but have never had an opportunity to learn from anybody worthwhile, so maybe watching your videos will help me start out from scratch. As I said before - if every cup was shaken using an identical (or at least more similar) grip rather than there being a somewhat dramatic difference between the empty "gripped with full hand" and full "held with fingertips" cups I doubt any average viewer would ever notice this.