Whether you are a fan or a naysayer in life nothing can change the fact that Indonesia is the first big country in south east asia to achieve and manage to build up this feat today. Congrats.
Yes. It is worth the hype. I am a Chinese currently living in Shanghai. I remember clearly when the first high-speed rail in China became operational in 2008, there were exactly the same doubts among the public. Guess what, all such doubts were gone after only 2 to 3 years. Now we Chinese people just LOVE high-speed rails and are yelling for more.
@@lifeisbeautiful104 Is transport infrastructure built to sell tickets for profit? Of course not , transportation infrastructure is the nation's artery, built to integrate regional plate cooperation and activate the economy as a whole... .. You need to open your mind
@@lifeisbeautiful104 Well, public transportation is not meant to make profits, otherwise it will be exploiting people. Remember that tax payers have already paid their taxes.
@@lifeisbeautiful104 , Railways just like highways or schools* or hospitals*, etc etc, are public projects meant specifically for the benefits of all its citizens as well for the developments & futures of the nation. NOT FOR PROFITS. Unless you are talking about PRIVATE projects. Kindly know the differences before spewing your nonsense. NB: *Tell us readers here in which country's PUBLIC schools or hospitals are profitable?
I love high-speed rail. Takes around 20 minutes to go through security, check-in and boarding. And when the train stops, I can get off right away. I have my luggage with me and I don't need to worry. Even if high-speed rail was 2 hours longer than flying, I would still choose high-speed rail. Only if it is not feasible or the rail travel time is too long would I fly. Congratulations Indonesia.
Definitely prefer HSR even it takes 4 hours more than flight. I'll say the boundary between either getting HSR or flight is the total milage at 1200km, in China as an example. Let alone the pinpoint accuracy of HSR punctuality, mostly well controlled within 1 minute.
Congratulations to Indonesia! I've travelled from Jakarta to Bandung by car. It is commonly told that the journey by car is 3 hours, but that is not correct. It takes 1 hour to get out of Jakarta travel jam to freeway, then 3 hours on freeway and follow up 1 hour traffic jam into Bandung city. A total of 5 hours. It's definitely worth the money to have the high-speed railway. Debt Trap? It's all Western Media narrative.
@@jaredgalvin a loan, much less international one, is based on mutual agreement. if China exercises its rights upon Sri Lanka’s default based on said agreement, how is that a trap? is it a ‘trap’ if you default your mortgage or car and the bank takes it away from you? nobody forced you to take on that loan. the terms and conditions are detailed in the fine print piece of paper you signed. you’d be very naive if you think Western institutions are more lenient or ethical on loans. google the imfamous pic of Michel Camdessus and Soeharto in 1998. that’s how Indonesia was bent over (or ‘debt-trapped’ if we use the more popular term today) by a not-Chinese lender.
@gws6609Don't worry. The US and the collective West will in the next 10 to 15 years be 3rd World countries. Just look at the tent cities in the US. That is only the beginning.
@gws6609so where is the HSR or bullet train in first world country? The western mentality definitely fit thrashbin, talk about income/GDP yet they got zero(YES I MEANT Fk1ng Zero modern transportation). Even dining at restaurants, the waitress will tell it at your face. Eating out is privileges not rights and you should tips them. Is this what you call 1st world country?
The problems and delays of this project are insignificant when you considered that here in California, we tried to build high speed rail between San Francisco and Los Angeles for over a decade and nothing significant has been done. It may never be built. So kudos to kudos to Indonesia and China for accomplishing this.
The difference is USA is a democracy, all must be high standard and must hold for at least 1 century. it needs to be feasible. Indonesia HSR will need 100 years to recompensated.
@@mgs7914 First of all, the United States is a capital-dominated country, is it a democracy? It doesn't look like it... America's standards and quality of infrastructure construction are no higher than those of other countries. The fundamental cause of the inefficiency of infrastructure construction in the United States is the obstruction of oil and auto capital consortia, whose interests will be directly damaged, these capitalists control politicians and have enormous influence over government policy. They also maintain a large number of NGOs, such as environmental groups and bird conservation groups
@@mgs7914high standard? I am laughing so bad! Florida just announced they have the first commercial high speed railway, for 100 mile per hour, and killed a pedestrian on first day of operation. Very high standard! Nah.
The US does have a high speed railway though. It's just the old train system does a decent enough job that it's not worth it to tear down with the huge cost
the US doesn't have high speed rail, it does have highER speed rail, but not true HSR. the Acela doesn't travel at its rated maximum speed due to corridor constraints.@@Nandinandito
@@Nandinandito 22-9-2023 U$A, Florida opens first high-speed rail 😅It took 3 hours to cover 378 kilometers, which was only half an hour faster than driving, with an average of only 126KM per hour. 😅One-way fares for second-class seats are $79 and $99, while first-class fares are $149 and $189 one-way. 😨An accident occurred on the first day in the Delray Beach area, killing one person.
India has Double decker electrified dedicated freight courider.Just the presitge of having it first of the world.And indias hsr is more than twice the length of indonesia..Priority section is coming soon..
According to another commenter, Indionesias HSR is 25% funded by the Indonesian government and hence the debt is 5.25 billion with interest of 2% for 40 years. While for India, Japan has offered 81% of the cost as a loan with 0.1% interest rate for 50 years, and a moratorium on payments for 15 years. As expected China as expected has given a commercial loan to Indonesia, while Japan has essentially given India aid/subsidy with its generous terms, so India has benefited much more.
Yes. It is worth the hype. Sure there were delays and setbacks along the way especially with 2 to 3 years of pandemic but it was accomplished in the end. These projects are often fraught with unexpected uncertainties. The next phase should be easier. SCMP should highlight the progress of Japan's high rail project in India which started around the same time.
I am an Indian and let me tell u the issue is on India is completely different, the reason its delayed is becouse land acquisition has not been completed, there is people who refuse to sell their land and thus delaying the project.
@@muktadirbhuyan7281 Actually most of our delays are also because of land acquisition. That said, I sincerely hope Indian HSR project (and also your train modernization project) would go well. Btw, some ID-CN HSR supporters often brought IN-JP HSR project to the discussion not because of anti India sentiment or anything like that. Here in ID, a lot of government opposition brought Japan to the discussion because of "if Japan build it it would be better/more on-time". Indian HSR is just an example of that -- no matter who, Japan or China, will face delay if they need to navigate the difficulty of making an infrastructure project in our country, not yet mentioning the COVID pandemic.
@@zeroyuki92 exactly, it's frustrating to see people alway compare Indian project with other countries without knowing the circumstances and then they blame Japan for it.
@@muktadirbhuyan7281Don't worry, every country can also build it if your government doesn't care about the people. Indonesia bullet train can be the most ambitious project in the world, this project has overrun budget from 5.5 billion dollar to 8 billion dollar, and will take more than 100 years to get the money back from this project. And there are yet still 100 millions of Indonesian who lives under $3/day, their life are became harder because the government raises many prices such as fuels/electricity/gas/taxes/erc.
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@@kulinermedia4310Kau ini bikin malu orang indonesia aja..orang baik² mengucapkan selamat,kok jawaban kau malah mengejek nya? Nampak kali karakter buruk nya dan tdk cerdas..
As a resident of the city of Surabaya, I feel proud and happy with the existence of the first WHOOSH fast train in Indonesia and the first in Southeast Asia and South Asia. This is a breakthrough new for our country to become a developed country. Move this country forward from now, tomorrow and forever. 👍🤜💪🇮🇩
@@itsmeitoldyouthat1448but India's bullet train cost will be much more than 12 billion because it is already delayed by 5 years. Cost overrun is inevitable. At the time of its completion it will touch 30 billion dollars.
A four-year delay? In Australia, the high speed train between Melbourne and Sydney has been in various stages of study, proposal, planning, re-prioritization, updated study, renewed proposal, etc, since 1978. A four-year delay is a big achievement by comparison!
😅Meanwhile, Britain can no longer afford to build high-speed rail. 3-10-2023 UK government halts plans for Birmingham-Manchester high-speed rail。 HS2 was originally scheduled to connect London to Birmingham, and then expand the route northward to Crewe, Manchester and Leeds to improve transportation between major cities. However, due to project delays and rising costs, the project cost increased from 55.7 billion pounds in 2015 to 2019. It was 98 billion pounds in 2020, and a review in 2020 shows that it may rise to 110.6 billion pounds.
British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak officially announced on October 4 the cancellation of the HS2 high-speed rail connection plan from Birmingham to Manchester, saying that the saved resources would be invested in other transportation projects. HS2 was originally scheduled to connect London to Birmingham, and then expand the route northward to Crewe, Manchester and Leeds to improve transportation between major cities. However, due to project delays and rising costs, the project cost increased from 55.7 billion pounds in 2015 to 2019. It was 98 billion pounds in 2020, and a review in 2020 shows that it may rise to 110.6 billion pounds.
Surely worth if you consider the future to come. No wishy washy decision like the Vietnam intended high-speed which is still unrealised. Indonesia is smarter in this regard.
It is new and game changer for south east asia. Now indonsia is part of current trend. it is not fashion hype bs. it is practical and last a long time and making money and making lives easier for indonsia.
This high-speed rail project, in the end, costs around 7 billion USD. Common construction materials are sourced from Indonesian craftsmanship and manufactured locally. The tracks are made by Panzhihua Steel, and in the future, Indonesia may be able to produce them domestically. Indonesia is also rich in mineral resources, and if it can produce steel rails, fasteners, electrical materials locally, it will undoubtedly greatly promote economic and employment growth. In fact, the Indonesian government places a strong emphasis on this sector. If they can expand the local supply chain scale and create a price advantage, there may even be a possibility of China repurchasing from Indonesia. This means that not only the future plans for Kalimantan Island but also railway infrastructure projects in Southeast Asia could see Indonesia becoming a major supplier. Malaysia and Vietnam have delayed their starts, missing opportunities, and now Indonesia is surpassing them. Even landlocked Laos is taking the lead in building railways ahead of Vietnam.
this is about money lol. Even on paper, the high speed train in vietnam is extremely expensive compare to our budget, and Laos train is not even considered high speed in modern standard.
Exactly, Indonesian even requested technology transfer and training in this deal, which is easily worth few billions. Going Forward, Indonesia can even build their own HSR.
Saya sangat bersyukur dengan Presiden jokowi karena memilih Tiongkok sebagai mitra kerja untuk proyek kreta cepat karena mereka mau transfer teknologi kalau Jepang pelit Terimakasih pak jokowi dan Xi Jinping
Asal jgn capres yang jadi nanti dari sayap kadal gurun aja.. indo nanti malah balik ke era 80-90 malah bisa ancur disentegrasi negara pecah jadi beberapa negara baru 😂 Ayo hati2 milih presiden yang akan datang
The more important about this project is not the commercial... But the technology transfer... So indonesia can make their own high speed rail in the future
The Transfer of Technology is only concerning girders and concretes, but not on HSR rolling stocks. Therefore, should Indonesia wish to build their own HSR, is still a loooong waayy
it's economy of scale, set up the production facility, the brain (computer control) of HSR that would make it prohibitive. it will always be 1 or 2 generation behind. look at India's home assembled aircraft carrier, it was designed by foreign firm, steel for deck had to acquire from foreign company, its electronics and radar, propulsion system from foreign countries, and aircrafts from France.
@@wiry7428😅 i think u should do some research first. HEHE indonesia making their first locally made HSR, will be launch on 2025.. And indonesia is the only one nation in ASEAN who can build their own Train like regular train, LRT etc..and soon HSR
@@kimberly_tan I did my research, and the Indonesia's locally made HSR had nothing to do with Transfer of Technology from the existing Jakarta-Bandung's HSR. And the top speed of the said prototype was not exceeding 200 km/h yet.
Jakarta should start promoting itself for tourism like other capital city in region. This would help HSR occupancy since tourist can easily visit 2 cities in their trip.
Japan have huge monopoly in car sales in indonesia, every year price can upto 10%. So mass public transport is become less priority interest and they wont include transfer of technology in bidding contract.
Motorcycle also, look at each team of Japanese brand main biggest sponsor at Moto GP, "Satu Hati", "Semakin Didepan", "Nyalakan Nyali", etc. Been about decades of their cash cow, I should say, let 'em free.
Indonesia memang dekat dengan Jepang,semenjak dari jepang menduduki Indonesia 3,5 tahun, dan kami sudah tau bahwa teknologi Jepang sudah ter uji dan negara Asia pertama yg punya teknologi,tapi akhir2 ini teknologi Jepang mulai di tinggalkan di teknologi tinggi,karna biaya tinggi dan lebih menguntungkan Jepang di banding Indonesia,
Indonesian HSR.. 7 billions ÷ 140 km = 50 million per km( 7 years finished) Californian HSR... 80 billion ÷ 836 km = 95 million per km (15 years) How much does high-speed rail cost per mile in the US? October 1, 2023 | Travel Pedia The cost per mile of the planned 520-mile (836km) California high-speed rail system, assuming it could actually be built for the current estimate of $80 billion, is $154 million per mile. And Amtrak's own estimates for replacing its existing Northeast Corridor with true high-speed rail work out to over $500 million per mile.
And that is why the U.S is letting millions of undocumented migrants from the South to _Build Back Better_ for new American infrastructure projects with much cheaper price tag. Why? Because american-born Citizens are on strike and won't work.
22-9-2023 U$A, Florida opens first high-speed rail 😅It took 3 hours to cover 378 kilometers, which was only half an hour faster than driving, with an average of only 126KM per hour. 😅One-way fares for second-class seats are $79 and $99, while first-class fares are $149 and $189 one-way. 😨An accident occurred on the first day in the Delray Beach area, killing one person.
Or you can compare with the Zamorra-Ourense segment of Spanish Alta Velocidad, built in mountainous terrain like in Java: $ 4.9 billion for 234 km = 20 million per km.
Public projects such as the railways, highways, ports, hospitals, schools, etc etc are meant for the benefits of all the citizens of that particular nation where they are built. NOT FOR PROFITS. Or at least not primarily for profits only.
Itu strategi mereka utk kepercayaan diri dan dunia, tidak buruk juga. Kalau mereka fokus kesejahteraan rakyatnya terlalu banyak milyaran org, perlu waktu yg lama.
debt trap? lol the 92% of debts in developing countries are owned by IMF and world banks and other from US and EU , and over 70% of those loans has nothing to do with infrastructures ,mostly are military deals and others, also all of them have high interests and come with conditions, thats called debt trap
Great, finally the fast train (350 km/hour) Jakarta - Banddung was inaugurated and fully operational, this fast train is the first in ASEAN and the first in the southern part of the world... 👍👍
Learn from China, Over the past 40 years, Lifting 800 Million People Out of Poverty. Infrastructure to every corner not making money for the politicians, just for the people to improve living. 12-7-2021 Tibet’s first bullet train line enters service For the first time, travelers in Tibet can enjoy the area’s mountainous views at high-speed. A 435-kilometer (250-mile) rail line connecting Tibetan capital Lhasa with the city of Nyingchi entered into service on June 25, giving all 31 provincial-level regions of mainland China access to high-speed train travel. 47 tunnels, 121 bridges Building a high-speed railroad in Tibet, dubbed the “roof of the world,” was no easy feat. Some 90% of the route, which took six years to construct, sits higher than 3,000 meters above sea level. The Lhasa-Nyingchi line features 47 tunnels and 121 bridges - which account for about 75% of the whole route. This includes the 525-meter-long Zangmu Railway Bridge, the largest and highest arch bridge of its kind in the world.
Infrastructure is always a contentious issue. In the 80s, the Malaysian PM went ahead with the north south highway. Almost every Malaysian swore against it as it was enriching a select few. And they already had a coastal road. Just a few years ago, the opposite requested toll charges to be waived as the tolls collected had covered over and beyond the construction cost plus. Everything comes down to whether users will deem time is money and use the faster route. There are many such cases of highways eventually becoming very well utilized in spite of a cost to using it. Likewise, the issue of HSR or for that matter, MRT.
Hsr has no big impact in countries like Malaysia. Malaysia already has quite fast train traveling at 120km/hr, highways are world class and AirAsia travel global hub is in KL. Moreover, population not that big in Malaysia compared to Indonesia. Waste of money and time. Going to to be a big white elephant.
Peninsular Malaya just only had less than 30 Million, however Java island is more than 150 Million, markets indicate matters and urgence for the such construction
This train is not just a transportation tools , its an economic tools, to create more jobs for the people, this train trigger the development of new economic centres along the route. New malls, new hotels and new roads are being build because of this high speed train.
Indonesians: Hello, we would like to take out a loan to build a high speed railway because we don't have the cash on hand. Railway gets build. Indonesians: 4:25 DEBT TRAP!!!!
@@darthvadeth6290 Indonesian has made the Chinese to pay for it's 12000 Indonesian worker and leading to more jobs along the route and related industry. Millions jobs are secured for Indonesian because of this project, billions of dollar will generated because of this project, and in return Indonesia has to pay the debt, it's a $7 billion debt for a $1300 billion /year economic country. Not a bad deal.
Its a bit optimistic to be honest, no one can master a technology in a few years, let alone 2-3 years... you need a lot more time, decades even, and a lot of money, to master a craft, its not easy, theres no childrens game my friend.
Actually if you travel alone it's better to use this high speed railway, using car from Jakarta to Bandung would actually cost the same; but the train would save you perhaps twice the time and definitely your energy.
Menurut kami teknologi,cina akhir akhir ini sudah melampaui barat,dari itu kami mulai melirik cina,karna dengan biaya yg cukup terjangkau,bisa melebihi bahkan sm dengan teknologi barat,masih bnyk negara yg belum menyadari bahwa teknologi bkn lagi berada di barat ataupun jepang,tapi ada raksasa teknologi baru yg lebih merakyat😂😅
Indonesia’s 600-capacity train was the first high-speed rail transportation in South-east Asia with the opening of the high-speed rail from Jakarta to Bandung. With a top speed of 350kmh, the bullet train named Whoosh can get between the capital Jakarta and Bandung in 45 minutes. The 140km journey would previously have taken about three hours by train. Congratulations Indonesia.
Congratulations to Indonesians! In the end the builders are the heroes. The neysayers can complain as much as they want, but they can’t bring true convenience and comfort to the people.
Woa impressive. 3 years delays on this type of project? with Covid in the middle? Woa impressed. Debt Trap he says? another video trying to minimize the impact of China and its help on other country. 16USD is indeed a little bit expensive, but do you know how much is the cost of train here in Canada, and with no bullet train?? Congratulation to Indonesia for the first Bullet train in south asia!!!! I now need to get there are test it.
For an infrastructure project of this scale, it has to be funded and supported by the state. Which private enterprise has the financial resources and political mandate to execute such behemoth projects? Even if such private enterprise exists, it is unwise to allow private ownership of such key infrastructural asset. The indonesian government must have conducted its own feasibility study and find the hsr project worthwhile in the long term. Indonesia has the largest economy / population in south-east Asia and most of the people and economic activities take place in the island of Java. The country's economy is growing rapidly and with that demand for public infrastructure will grow as heightened economic activities move ppl ard. Even if the hsr is losing money in the short term, u can't deny that it offers indonesian a great option to move between cities at a fraction of the time needed on other mode of transport. This is part of raising the standard of living for the people! Giving them options! Dunnoe why scmp has to frame this in a negative light by selectively using their choice words and interviewing their preferred so-called "expert" in order to paint this as a debt trap laid for Indonesia. This is beginning to feel like a mouth piece for the western hegemony.
Indonesians: Hello, we would like to take out a loan to build a high speed railway because we don't have the cash on hand. Railway gets build. Indonesians: 4:25 DEBT TRAP!!!!
They are saying this because japan made a proposal for the same route that had a lower interest rate and adressed the station location problem mentioned in the video, however the government needed to fund the project, the chinese proposal originally did not required state funding and was considered a bussiness to bussiness loan, which is why Jokowi promised not to use state funding, but unexpected costs forced him to. They are essentially saying that we made a bad choice with china and should have gone with japan
Why do so many people want infrastructure to be profitable? If it is profitable, it means that all passengers will pay a higher price. Infrastructure is used to drive rapid social development and achieve more profits, rather than relying on self creation of profits.
The traffic problem between the two cities cost Indonesia 8.9 billion dollars annually. The cost to build this high speed rail is 7.3 billion dollars. It's all we needed to know.
22-9-2023 U$A, Florida opens first high-speed rail 😅It took 3 hours to cover 378 kilometers, which was only half an hour faster than driving, with an average of only 126KM per hour. 😅One-way fares for second-class seats are $79 and $99, while first-class fares are $149 and $189 one-way. 😨An accident occurred on the first day in the Delray Beach area, killing one person.
Even before Britain's run of double digit inflation from late 2022 to early 2023, the HS2 budget had ballooned. Its 2015 cost of 55.7 billion pounds ($68 billion) reached 98 billion pounds by 2019, and a 2020 review showed that could rise to 106 billion pounds.
💵 Bought Military things (F15X) from US: Cash $22B 💵 Built Economy things (HSR) from China: Debt $7B 😅 Why?.. We, Indonesia knew the function of HSR (ROI) and Military things (non-ROI). Both are super power.
If this cooperation with China could make "debt trap" to Indonesia then how the cooperation with Japan, like India & Vietnam did, what kind of traps make their HSR still not yet arrive. Even Indonesia's richer neighbour like Singapore & Malaysia still have no HSR to date, probably they wait another project from the US that called "Built Back Better World" , it was told there's no trap & no debt.
What's the controversy over pricing? Anyone with common sense wouldn't be comparing ticket prices between communal rail routes against highspeed rails, just as no one would compare pricing against coach lines and air tickets. Ordinary people, even folks in EU don't travel HSR on regular basis, its basically for business travelers and tourists. I do not believe there would be people by the masses who would commute 3 hours (6 hrs return trip) daily to and from work prior HSR was built?! Then why make it a problem now? Railway projects especially HSR are super-long term projects; has any Indonesians regretted building the railways during colonial period even though, it costed so much sweats and many lives in the process?
Oh pls, all people know is how to complain. If the gov doesn’t launch this train project, people say traffic is bad, air ticket is too expensive. This is just another option for people to choose. All major projects were delayed during the pandemic all around the world. Not just Indonesia. You expect the gov to abandon project instead of completing it? What is this Bhima guy talking about.
SCMP choose to pick commentator who is negative . He who does not know how rich is Indonesia ?...if most politician and beaurocrats doing the right thing in law and economics. So sad that SCMP is biased
SCMP is not Chinese media. Setup by the west and Taiwan anti-China people during Bridish rule. Singapore CNA pay by taxpayer also need to follow Washxngton agenda, sad for Singaporean. propaganda common line " at what cost " by the central kitchen(Washxbgton)
There are always voices of opposition, and there are also opponents in China. However, the Chinese government’s investment in high-speed rail does not entirely depend on the return on the investment itself, but that these railways can greatly improve the investment environment along the railway and enhance the economic development along the line. , can also improve the uneven economic development between regions, and make people's travel convenient, fast and comfortable. These economic and social benefits are difficult for opponents to understand, but this is what the government should consider and do. This is also the biggest difference between the Chinese government and other Western governments. Think about it, even the most remote rural areas have 4G networks. Which Western country other than China can do this?
Everything in China is failing. From the housing market, infrastructure, food safety, human rights, etc. China is a dump. The only place that's well built in China is the International Zone in Shanghai which was built by the British over 100 years ago.
Today, the Indonesian people can personally experience the convenience brought by the 350KM high-speed rail. They should be grateful to the Indonesian government for wisely choosing China's high-speed rail instead of the Shinkansen a few years ago. Otherwise, Indonesia's high-speed rail dream will become as far away as India and Vietnam.
lol indias hsr is more than twice the length that of indonesia..Here you will not see any japaneese workers working unlike chinnese in indo... ruclips.net/video/l6l7kvF-ALw/видео.htmlsi=PmVPCDBwyGJn27nw
The high-speed rail in India is over 500 km long, while Indonesia's high-speed rail is only 142 km long. Additionally, India's high-speed rail uses track slabs, while Indonesia's high-speed rail uses ballasted tracks, which are cheaper and faster to implement.
If always worried about debt traps, please ask the United States to send more free money to underdeveloped countries. For them, money is just a piece of paper, not enough then print.😁
😅Meanwhile, Britain can no longer afford to build high-speed rail. 3-10-2023 UK government halts plans for Birmingham-Manchester high-speed rail。 HS2 was originally scheduled to connect London to Birmingham, and then expand the route northward to Crewe, Manchester and Leeds to improve transportation between major cities. However, due to project delays and rising costs, the project cost increased from 55.7 billion pounds in 2015 to 2019. It was 98 billion pounds in 2020, and a review in 2020 shows that it may rise to 110.6 billion pounds.
SCMP, why don't you give us more information on the Indian and Japanese HSR project which is only 10 km completed after 7 years, and its over-driven cost and problems. We are more interested in knowing about that than your biased criticism of the Indonesian HSR. A gentle reminder to the people working in SCMP to get over the sourness of losing your White Exceptionalism Privileges in Hong Kong. Time is changing, and you will soon lose it in other parts of the world.
Indonesia sedang menunjukkan kekuatan Taringnya di kawasan Asia Tenggara sebagai negara Pertama mempunyai Kereta Api Tercepat dari seluruh negara negara di Asia Tenggara. Proyek ini juga akan dilanjutkan sampai Ke Kota Surabaya total Rel 800 Km.
@@tahaalaudin9772 Malaysia memang pantas di rasiskan , jika Malaysia tidak terima apa yang akan di lakukan negara sekecil dan selemah Malaysia, jika TNI menyerang dalam 22 jam Malaysia dinyatakan hilang dari peta dunia
Every week I have to travel 150 km by train, for the cost there are 3 types of classes, the cost is 14 dollars, 24 dollars and 30 dollars for a travel time of 3 hours, and all of them are crowded, for a fast train at only 20 dollars it is very cheap with travel time only 45 minutes and distance 130 km... Congratulations
There is a commenter who has said something very pertinent : Building infrastructure can never be considered a debt trap. Buying weapons in the billions of USD is the real debt trap. Trying to turn public transport into a profitable business is a non starter. Most governments in the world know that.
California has spent $10 billion on high speed rail so far, and what has it got? Nothing! It makes me envious to see Indonesia got its high speed rail. Congratulations to Indonesia. I hope the construction of the part that extends beyond Bandung will soon start.
You don't hype too much about projects undertaken by the Chinese, wait till you hear the horror about the cost of the HSR2 in the UK and the number of years and cost-cutting and even abandon certain parts of the route even though is already in the plan.
India and Indonesia proposed High speed train corridor at the same time but Indonesia completed the corridor much more ahead than India. India should have choosed china instead of Japan for the construction of India's first high speed Train corridor.
LoL.... Indonesia's HSR is only 140 km and it took nearly 7 years to complete it .While Indian HSR is 550 km(including 21 km undersea tunnel) means more time required to acquire land and construct the HSR .(Construction only started in 2019 due to land acquisition problem).Moreover HSR in Indonesia has been constructed by chinese companies who already has experience of building 20,000 km of HSR , while in India all construction are being done by Indian companies. So it require time to get technology and expertise. (Lets see chinese cycle - Chinese banks giving loan for HSR , while chinese steel suppliers , construction companies , trainset suppliers , chinese workers(working on project) etc taking them back from Indonesia to chinese banks 🤣🤣And interest that chinese banks will get in future is bonus ).
@@AbhishekPatel-lb1pdindia can bark 10 yrs without doing nothing.... Why india government employees are not getting salary on time??? Something is wrong with india economy...😂😂😂😂😂😂
India government are crazy They believe Japan could make train for 12B while China asking 30B Are you crazy? Japan train is cheaper than Chinese? Are you nuts?
In any major projects there are pro and con of it. No doubt it's an expensive project but more important consideration is it is worthwhile in the long run.
Awal mula indonesia dipandang dan infrastrutture di kerjakan dengan baik di era presiden jokowi presiden terbaik sepanjang masa beliau akan menjadi presiden legend
7.1 billion dollar high speed rail project is a debt trap? For a massive project like this, keeping the cost only 1 billion over budget is already a great achievement itself considering factors like land acquisitions. geographic uncertainties, inflation, COVID, etc. A real debt trap is 368 billion AUKUS project. Australia is betting its future for these 8 subs, yet does not even have a train faster than 130kmph.
12-7-2022 Britain-based charity Debt Justice: 35% of African gov debt is owed to Western lenders compared to 12% owed to Chinese lenders The average interest rate on Western loans is 5%, compared to 2.7% Chinese lenders.
12-7-2022 Studies show private Western lenders create most of African debt burden In a report released last week, Britain-based charity Debt Justice found that African governments owe three times more debt to Western banks, asset managers, and oil traders than to China, and are charged double the interest. The report said 12 percent of African governments' external debt is owed to Chinese lenders compared to 35 percent owed to Western private lenders, adding that the average interest rate on private loans is 5 percent, compared to 2.7 percent on loans from Chinese public and private lenders. The new findings lay bare the absurdity of the so-called "debt-trap diplomacy" that has been for too long touted by Western politicians and propaganda machines in smear campaigns against China, experts have said.
03:00 nice opinion but as tourist may choose HSR for destination transport also about the price I think it's normal compared toll tax, instead driving 142km make you feel tired and sleepy the Indonesian HSR also make you safe from traffic accident, time, cost. Hope Indonesia can Build train in Borneo 🎉
Lagipula ini adalah Proyek investasi masa depan yang mana Tujuannya "Transfer of technology", pembangunan yang harapannya akan balik modal dalam 40 tahun, pasti akan terbayar apalagi tiket bisa saja Naik harganya yoy. Penunjang transportasi umum dengan cepat. Harganya yang mahal wajar karena kita belum memiliki HSR. Jepang awalnya juga takut kekurangan penumpang dan gak balik modal karna biayanya sangat mahal dan sempat Cost overrun juga, tapi lihat sekarang kekhawatiran mreka berubah dan malah memperbanyak jalurnya. Cuma agak disayangkan Indonesia menggunakan dana APBN dan pembangunannya sempat lambat.
@@agussatrio7445 Justru saya malah mendukung penggunaan APBN untuk proyek seperti ini, karena ini menunjukkan komitmen pemerintah untuk mendukung pembangunan infrastruktur jalan rel di Indonesia. Adanya RRC sebagai investor harusnya disyukuri dan dianggap sebagai keberuntungan, bukan menjadikan pemerintah hanya bergantung pada investor untuk pembangunan infrastruktur.
The Chinese trains werent full on the first day they were launched. If they are that's not success, that means you are way behind the curve. Indonesia is a fast growing economy thats projected to become the 4th largest by 2050. If its citizens still cant afford HSR in the coming years, then the country wouldve failed elsewhere. As for costs and land acquisition challenges, it is down to Indonesia to fix that as it will greatly boost adoption & affordability. Otherwise it will fall more into the India trajectory of implementation than China's.
Going by the same reasoning, no modern airports should be built in Indonesia because they will be too expensive, and only a few people can afford the airfare.
Whether you are a fan or a naysayer in life nothing can change the fact that Indonesia is the first big country in south east asia to achieve and manage to build up this feat today. Congrats.
Agreed...congratulation 👏👏
I am a Vietnamese and i agree. I do feel jealous about this project tbh.
Imagine a HSR from HSMC to Hanoi...
I can only wish 😩
China build it Indonesia just need to pay the loan and Interest later with gov guaranty
yep, and this is also the first HSR in the southern hemisphere, not even china was the first in the northern hemisphere....so more power to that
Don't forget Laos 🇱🇦 😅. They have a high speed train too.
Yes. It is worth the hype. I am a Chinese currently living in Shanghai. I remember clearly when the first high-speed rail in China became operational in 2008, there were exactly the same doubts among the public. Guess what, all such doubts were gone after only 2 to 3 years. Now we Chinese people just LOVE high-speed rails and are yelling for more.
Only a few lines are successful. Rest all lines are flop & running in loss.
@@lifeisbeautiful104Public transportation shouldn't be measured in profitability. It is subsidized so that it could improve economy on other sectors.
@@lifeisbeautiful104 Is transport infrastructure built to sell tickets for profit? Of course not , transportation infrastructure is the nation's artery, built to integrate regional plate cooperation and activate the economy as a whole... .. You need to open your mind
@@lifeisbeautiful104 Well, public transportation is not meant to make profits, otherwise it will be exploiting people. Remember that tax payers have already paid their taxes.
@@lifeisbeautiful104 ,
Railways just like highways or schools* or hospitals*, etc etc, are public projects meant specifically for the benefits of all its citizens as well for the developments & futures of the nation. NOT FOR PROFITS. Unless you are talking about PRIVATE projects. Kindly know the differences before spewing your nonsense.
NB: *Tell us readers here in which country's PUBLIC schools or hospitals are profitable?
I love high-speed rail. Takes around 20 minutes to go through security, check-in and boarding. And when the train stops, I can get off right away. I have my luggage with me and I don't need to worry. Even if high-speed rail was 2 hours longer than flying, I would still choose high-speed rail. Only if it is not feasible or the rail travel time is too long would I fly. Congratulations Indonesia.
Yeah hsr could be set schedule for anytime in between each day
Definitely prefer HSR even it takes 4 hours more than flight. I'll say the boundary between either getting HSR or flight is the total milage at 1200km, in China as an example. Let alone the pinpoint accuracy of HSR punctuality, mostly well controlled within 1 minute.
Congratulations to Indonesia! I've travelled from Jakarta to Bandung by car. It is commonly told that the journey by car is 3 hours, but that is not correct. It takes 1 hour to get out of Jakarta travel jam to freeway, then 3 hours on freeway and follow up 1 hour traffic jam into Bandung city. A total of 5 hours. It's definitely worth the money to have the high-speed railway. Debt Trap? It's all Western Media narrative.
Uhm..dunno..Sri Lanka?
@@jaredgalvin a loan, much less international one, is based on mutual agreement. if China exercises its rights upon Sri Lanka’s default based on said agreement, how is that a trap? is it a ‘trap’ if you default your mortgage or car and the bank takes it away from you? nobody forced you to take on that loan. the terms and conditions are detailed in the fine print piece of paper you signed.
you’d be very naive if you think Western institutions are more lenient or ethical on loans. google the imfamous pic of Michel Camdessus and Soeharto in 1998. that’s how Indonesia was bent over (or ‘debt-trapped’ if we use the more popular term today) by a not-Chinese lender.
@@zodiacgaming2907To maintain friendship, borrow a hundred first
@@user-wf7mh8pk7iand whose friendship is that? come now, don’t be shy :)
@@jaredgalvinSri Lanka debt? China's debt is only 10%，majority if the debts belongs to America and Japan.
Fun Fact:
US California HSR is triple cost per km (and still increase) than Indonesia China HSR
@gws6609 nah US today is 3.5rd world country, homeIezz & cr1me is everywhere
@gws6609as indonesia already have one isn't that mean indonesia is first world country now
@gws6609u said 3third country income????...and u from first country income???😂😂😂..where r u from??? America,europe, taiwan, hongkong or malay🤣🤣🤣
@gws6609Don't worry. The US and the collective West will in the next 10 to 15 years be 3rd World countries. Just look at the tent cities in the US. That is only the beginning.
@gws6609so where is the HSR or bullet train in first world country? The western mentality definitely fit thrashbin, talk about income/GDP yet they got zero(YES I MEANT Fk1ng Zero modern transportation).
Even dining at restaurants, the waitress will tell it at your face. Eating out is privileges not rights and you should tips them. Is this what you call 1st world country?
The problems and delays of this project are insignificant when you considered that here in California, we tried to build high speed rail between San Francisco and Los Angeles for over a decade and nothing significant has been done. It may never be built. So kudos to kudos to Indonesia and China for accomplishing this.
For China, this is a significant delay; for the USA, it's called later opening. See the difference?
The difference is USA is a democracy, all must be high standard and must hold for at least 1 century. it needs to be feasible. Indonesia HSR will need 100 years to recompensated.
@@mgs7914 First of all, the United States is a capital-dominated country, is it a democracy? It doesn't look like it... America's standards and quality of infrastructure construction are no higher than those of other countries. The fundamental cause of the inefficiency of infrastructure construction in the United States is the obstruction of oil and auto capital consortia, whose interests will be directly damaged, these capitalists control politicians and have enormous influence over government policy. They also maintain a large number of NGOs, such as environmental groups and bird conservation groups
@@mgs7914high standard? I am laughing so bad! Florida just announced they have the first commercial high speed railway, for 100 mile per hour, and killed a pedestrian on first day of operation. Very high standard! Nah.
@@mgs7914train literally derails like every other week in the US, did you forget about norfolk southern????
Just the prestige of having high-speed railway before the US and India is worth the money.
The US does have a high speed railway though. It's just the old train system does a decent enough job that it's not worth it to tear down with the huge cost
the US doesn't have high speed rail, it does have highER speed rail, but not true HSR. the Acela doesn't travel at its rated maximum speed due to corridor constraints.@@Nandinandito
@@Nandinandito 22-9-2023 U$A, Florida opens first high-speed rail
😅It took 3 hours to cover 378 kilometers, which was only half an hour faster than driving, with an average of only 126KM per hour.
😅One-way fares for second-class seats are $79 and $99, while first-class fares are $149 and $189 one-way.
😨An accident occurred on the first day in the Delray Beach area, killing one person.
The prestige of having flag on South Pole of the moon before China and Usa is worth to mention
India has Double decker electrified dedicated freight courider.Just the presitge of having it first of the world.And indias hsr is more than twice the length of indonesia..Priority section is coming soon..
If China's bullet train 🚅 is a debt-trap, then Indian railway 🚂 must be a death-trap 😂
Haters jealous on indonesian country growth fast🤣🤣🤣🤣
Agree
According to another commenter, Indionesias HSR is 25% funded by the Indonesian government and hence the debt is 5.25 billion with interest of 2% for 40 years. While for India, Japan has offered 81% of the cost as a loan with 0.1% interest rate for 50 years, and a moratorium on payments for 15 years.
As expected China as expected has given a commercial loan to Indonesia, while Japan has essentially given India aid/subsidy with its generous terms, so India has benefited much more.
American railway is the the true DEATH-TRAP... Ohio chemical spill, brightline crashes and killed one civilian on the first day of oepration !
This is built on the trust of your government. I wish Indonesia best for achieving greater things with your neighbors.
Congratulations to Indonesia for having the first high speed railway in Southeast Asia.
This will not happen without China.
Yes. It is worth the hype. Sure there were delays and setbacks along the way especially with 2 to 3 years of pandemic but it was accomplished in the end. These projects are often fraught with unexpected uncertainties. The next phase should be easier. SCMP should highlight the progress of Japan's high rail project in India which started around the same time.
I am an Indian and let me tell u the issue is on India is completely different, the reason its delayed is becouse land acquisition has not been completed, there is people who refuse to sell their land and thus delaying the project.
@@muktadirbhuyan7281 Actually most of our delays are also because of land acquisition. That said, I sincerely hope Indian HSR project (and also your train modernization project) would go well.
Btw, some ID-CN HSR supporters often brought IN-JP HSR project to the discussion not because of anti India sentiment or anything like that. Here in ID, a lot of government opposition brought Japan to the discussion because of "if Japan build it it would be better/more on-time". Indian HSR is just an example of that -- no matter who, Japan or China, will face delay if they need to navigate the difficulty of making an infrastructure project in our country, not yet mentioning the COVID pandemic.
@@zeroyuki92 exactly, it's frustrating to see people alway compare Indian project with other countries without knowing the circumstances and then they blame Japan for it.
@@muktadirbhuyan7281这就是你们的制度问题了
@@muktadirbhuyan7281Don't worry, every country can also build it if your government doesn't care about the people. Indonesia bullet train can be the most ambitious project in the world, this project has overrun budget from 5.5 billion dollar to 8 billion dollar, and will take more than 100 years to get the money back from this project. And there are yet still 100 millions of Indonesian who lives under $3/day, their life are became harder because the government raises many prices such as fuels/electricity/gas/taxes/erc.
Tahniah Indonesia....sy pasti ingin menaiki keretapi ini, insyallah... Salam dari Malaysia
Tshniah Malaysia, Malay❤Bangla, Malay-Bangla forever love story, Malay-Bangla married will produces a lot of " Banglasia" kids for the future of Malaysia, hopefully there will be a lot of "Banglasia" kids born and they will be the future senators and even the future Prime Minister of Malaysia who will bring Malaysia to the Golden Era of "Banglasia". Tahniah Malaysia for the Interracial Married Program created by Kerajaan for the sake of Banglasia Nation, Malay-Bangla Serumpun Forever 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
@@kulinermedia4310Kau ini bikin malu orang indonesia aja..orang baik² mengucapkan selamat,kok jawaban kau malah mengejek nya?
Nampak kali karakter buruk nya dan tdk cerdas..
@@kulinermedia4310anak kecil minggir dulu. Ini untuk konsumsi orang dewasa. Bocil silahkan main petak umpet aja
@@kulinermedia4310 You are an example of some Indonesian netizens who have TOXIC Behavior, trolling on the internet.. SMH.
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As a resident of the city of Surabaya, I feel proud and happy with the existence of the first WHOOSH fast train in Indonesia and the first in Southeast Asia and South Asia. This is a breakthrough new for our country to become a developed country. Move this country forward from now, tomorrow and forever. 👍🤜💪🇮🇩
The cost of this project is cheaper than any other country can do. In the long run it will greatly improved the economy of Indonesia.
Much more expensive than India's. India 510 km length will cost just over 12 billion dollars. Indonesia length is 142 is 7 billion US dollars.
@@itsmeitoldyouthat1448but India's bullet train cost will be much more than 12 billion because it is already delayed by 5 years. Cost overrun is inevitable. At the time of its completion it will touch 30 billion dollars.
@@itsmeitoldyouthat1448 India's bullet train will travel at maximum of 100km/hr.
Vai did indoniisa even choos cpp tofu treins? Dher ar maach moor advans treins fram Amerikka, Jepain or koriia
@@jaihindersingh i don't think you had your steak today, hence cannot think logically.
The first high-speed rail in the Southern Hemisphere. It is currently the fastest commercially operated high-speed rail in the world at 350 km/h.
china runs the same CR400 train from beijing to shanghai and beijing to guangzhou
@@wawanhermawan-sz7gl the Southern Hemisphere
@@Flanker16But Guangzhou is in Southern Hemisphere 😅
@@Vincent_de_Paul Guangzhou is, I believe, north of Tropic of Cancer.
Indonesia is both Sothern hemisphere and Northern Hemispehere
Congratulation Jakarta Bandung Indonesia🇮🇩 🚅🚄high speed railway KCIC and thanks you China🇨🇳🚅🚄
A four-year delay? In Australia, the high speed train between Melbourne and Sydney has been in various stages of study, proposal, planning, re-prioritization, updated study, renewed proposal, etc, since 1978. A four-year delay is a big achievement by comparison!
😅Meanwhile, Britain can no longer afford to build high-speed rail.
3-10-2023 UK government halts plans for Birmingham-Manchester high-speed rail。
HS2 was originally scheduled to connect London to Birmingham, and then expand the route northward to Crewe, Manchester and Leeds to improve transportation between major cities. However, due to project delays and rising costs, the project cost increased from 55.7 billion pounds in 2015 to 2019. It was 98 billion pounds in 2020, and a review in 2020 shows that it may rise to 110.6 billion pounds.
No, this is a delay by Chinese; thus it is a big lose/damage to Indonesia. If by Australian, American, or any Western people, success.
British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak officially announced on October 4 the cancellation of the HS2 high-speed rail connection plan from Birmingham to Manchester, saying that the saved resources would be invested in other transportation projects.
HS2 was originally scheduled to connect London to Birmingham, and then expand the route northward to Crewe, Manchester and Leeds to improve transportation between major cities. However, due to project delays and rising costs, the project cost increased from 55.7 billion pounds in 2015 to 2019. It was 98 billion pounds in 2020, and a review in 2020 shows that it may rise to 110.6 billion pounds.
If there was no COVID-19, it could be done faster
What?! We had a plan to build one?😮
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yes, as indonesian i am very proud and excited to embrace the future. let’s just left that “100 genders” country behind lol
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Surely worth if you consider the future to come. No wishy washy decision like the Vietnam intended high-speed which is still unrealised. Indonesia is smarter in this regard.
Time is money, particularly to those people who appreciate time.
It is new and game changer for south east asia. Now indonsia is part of current trend. it is not fashion hype bs. it is practical and last a long time and making money and making lives easier for indonsia.
This high-speed rail project, in the end, costs around 7 billion USD. Common construction materials are sourced from Indonesian craftsmanship and manufactured locally. The tracks are made by Panzhihua Steel, and in the future, Indonesia may be able to produce them domestically. Indonesia is also rich in mineral resources, and if it can produce steel rails, fasteners, electrical materials locally, it will undoubtedly greatly promote economic and employment growth. In fact, the Indonesian government places a strong emphasis on this sector. If they can expand the local supply chain scale and create a price advantage, there may even be a possibility of China repurchasing from Indonesia. This means that not only the future plans for Kalimantan Island but also railway infrastructure projects in Southeast Asia could see Indonesia becoming a major supplier. Malaysia and Vietnam have delayed their starts, missing opportunities, and now Indonesia is surpassing them. Even landlocked Laos is taking the lead in building railways ahead of Vietnam.
这个列车由中国北车制造，铁路由中国铁路建设总公司建造，你们要先学习几年才可以掌握技术
this is about money lol. Even on paper, the high speed train in vietnam is extremely expensive compare to our budget, and Laos train is not even considered high speed in modern standard.
Exactly, Indonesian even requested technology transfer and training in this deal, which is easily worth few billions. Going Forward, Indonesia can even build their own HSR.
@@dser3474 ruclips.net/video/x5T4OctY2AU/видео.htmlsi=K-sl-HEZispNqrnC 🙏
Malaysia and Vietnam do the right things then
aku sebagai rakyat indonesia merasa bangga terima kasih china semoga persahabatan ini makin erat dan saling menguntung ke dua negara ini
我是中国人，我爱印尼的朋友，希望两国关系一直友好
恭喜🇨🇳也恭喜印尼
恭喜印尼，你们会越来越富强的
Saya sangat bersyukur dengan Presiden jokowi karena memilih Tiongkok sebagai mitra kerja untuk proyek kreta cepat karena mereka mau transfer teknologi kalau Jepang pelit
Terimakasih pak jokowi dan Xi Jinping
@@Browmadunsebenarnya org cina baik² tpi krn bnyak kadrun yg otaknya negative terhadap mreka
Terimakasih Bapak Presiden Jokowidodo.maju terus Indonesia.
kata presiden Joko Widodo ini adalah sebuah peradaban baru bagi Indonesia utk menjadi negara maju & menuju Indonesia emas 2045 🎉🔥❤️🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨
Memek ibumu
Asal jgn capres yang jadi nanti dari sayap kadal gurun aja.. indo nanti malah balik ke era 80-90 malah bisa ancur disentegrasi negara pecah jadi beberapa negara baru 😂
Ayo hati2 milih presiden yang akan datang
Thanks to China ,I hope Indonesia and china always friends together🇮🇩🤝🇨🇳
They are brothers 👨❤️👨
Tahniah warga Indonesia semua❤
The more important about this project is not the commercial... But the technology transfer... So indonesia can make their own high speed rail in the future
The Transfer of Technology is only concerning girders and concretes, but not on HSR rolling stocks. Therefore, should Indonesia wish to build their own HSR, is still a loooong waayy
@@wiry7428Gapapa. Dibanding Jepang yang ingin Indonesia cuma jadi negara konsumen aja.
it's economy of scale, set up the production facility, the brain (computer control) of HSR that would make it prohibitive. it will always be 1 or 2 generation behind.
look at India's home assembled aircraft carrier, it was designed by foreign firm, steel for deck had to acquire from foreign company, its electronics and radar, propulsion system from foreign countries, and aircrafts from France.
@@wiry7428😅 i think u should do some research first. HEHE indonesia making their first locally made HSR, will be launch on 2025.. And indonesia is the only one nation in ASEAN who can build their own Train like regular train, LRT etc..and soon HSR
@@kimberly_tan I did my research, and the Indonesia's locally made HSR had nothing to do with Transfer of Technology from the existing Jakarta-Bandung's HSR. And the top speed of the said prototype was not exceeding 200 km/h yet.
keep moving forward two giant countries🇨🇳🇲🇨❤
Coming Soon.. Phase 2 construction will begin in 2024 from Bandung to Surabaya and will be completed in 2030 🇮🇩💙🇨🇳 Go..Go..Go 🥰👍
Jakarta should start promoting itself for tourism like other capital city in region. This would help HSR occupancy since tourist can easily visit 2 cities in their trip.
I agree,
But Indo actually don't need it.
Almost 60% of Indo population lives in Java island, it is also the most populated island in the world.
Yes, what are the attractions?
@@onexoxtoo
Food, culture, and most you can find is cheap also the nature, and just like other countries that every guys wanna visit... pus..sy
Japan have huge monopoly in car sales in indonesia, every year price can upto 10%.
So mass public transport is become less priority interest and they wont include transfer of technology in bidding contract.
Motorcycle also, look at each team of Japanese brand main biggest sponsor at Moto GP, "Satu Hati", "Semakin Didepan", "Nyalakan Nyali", etc. Been about decades of their cash cow, I should say, let 'em free.
Indonesia memang dekat dengan Jepang,semenjak dari jepang menduduki Indonesia 3,5 tahun, dan kami sudah tau bahwa teknologi Jepang sudah ter uji dan negara Asia pertama yg punya teknologi,tapi akhir2 ini teknologi Jepang mulai di tinggalkan di teknologi tinggi,karna biaya tinggi dan lebih menguntungkan Jepang di banding Indonesia,
Congrats Indonesia from Singapore!
Thank you!I miss Singapore... it has inspired many Indonesians to be more clean and developed
Thank you friend 🇮🇩❤🇸🇬
Congratulations Indonesia from sri lanka
dont congaratulate indonesia cause the project is a death trap
Indonesian HSR..
7 billions ÷ 140 km = 50 million per km( 7 years finished)
Californian HSR...
80 billion ÷ 836 km = 95 million per km (15 years)
How much does high-speed rail cost per mile in the US?
October 1, 2023 | Travel Pedia
The cost per mile of the planned 520-mile (836km) California high-speed rail system, assuming it could actually be built for the current estimate of $80 billion, is $154 million per mile. And Amtrak's own estimates for replacing its existing Northeast Corridor with true high-speed rail work out to over $500 million per mile.
When California HSR Completed?
And that is why the U.S is letting millions of undocumented migrants from the South to _Build Back Better_ for new American infrastructure projects with much cheaper price tag.
Why? Because american-born Citizens are on strike and won't work.
22-9-2023 U$A, Florida opens first high-speed rail
😅It took 3 hours to cover 378 kilometers, which was only half an hour faster than driving, with an average of only 126KM per hour.
😅One-way fares for second-class seats are $79 and $99, while first-class fares are $149 and $189 one-way.
😨An accident occurred on the first day in the Delray Beach area, killing one person.
Or you can compare with the Zamorra-Ourense segment of Spanish Alta Velocidad, built in mountainous terrain like in Java: $ 4.9 billion for 234 km = 20 million per km.
Public projects such as the railways, highways, ports, hospitals, schools, etc etc are meant for the benefits of all the citizens of that particular nation where they are built. NOT FOR PROFITS. Or at least not primarily for profits only.
那就需要国营公司了😂
@@user-dl6tu1mo1m ,
English please ....
Whoosh is something Indonesia can be proud of. Congrats Indonesia.
The project was very successful and SCMP made it sound like it’s so bad
Jadi pengennya dipuji terus? Program HSR memang ada pro kontranya. Pak Jonan aja gak setuju dengan adanya HSR.
Jack Ma bought the SCMP, but he turned it over to Murdoch to manage.
True, they should do another video with the title "Will India's new high-speed railway ever be finished? "
@@greentea8852 India, Vietnam, and Japan deserved each other.
Some parts of SCMP is just a naysayer, hopeless non-achieving party pooper.. Ignore.
if they connect it to surabaya, it makes total sense, because the volume traffic between these 2 cities are humongous both for bussiness and tourism
It would enhance the first line and make it even more of an asset.
Yes it will
true...
step by step，this first HSR will train local engineers，PMs。then begin 2nd HSR，then 3rd。Become faster and
*CONGRATULATIONS 🎉 CHINA 🇨🇳-INDONESIAN 🇲🇨 ✅✅👍👍👍👍👍*
Indonesia lebih fokus sejahterakan rakyat dibanding fokus ke bulan yg tidak bisa dihuni manusia😮
Masuk akal
@@carpediem5890 gua lgi nyindir India bang biar sadar rakyatnya banyak yg kelaparan pemerintah ny malah fokus ke bulan, apa ngga ngaco
@@Nanahoshi388pakek bhs Inggris lah kommenya biar pada ngerti mereka
@@arghost9798tenang ada auto translate sekarang di youtube
Itu strategi mereka utk kepercayaan diri dan dunia, tidak buruk juga.
Kalau mereka fokus kesejahteraan rakyatnya terlalu banyak milyaran org, perlu waktu yg lama.
debt trap? lol the 92% of debts in developing countries are owned by IMF and world banks and other from US and EU , and over 70% of those loans has nothing to do with infrastructures ,mostly are military deals and others, also all of them have high interests and come with conditions, thats called debt trap
Congrats Indonesia 🇮🇩, and big big thanks to China 🇨🇳. 🎉❤
Great, finally the fast train (350 km/hour) Jakarta - Banddung was inaugurated and fully operational, this fast train is the first in ASEAN and the first in the southern part of the world... 👍👍
No country, like China, would like to bring its best and fastest high-speed train (350K) to Indonesia!💗
China & Indonesia like brothers 👨❤️👨
True 🎉🎉
Learn from China, Over the past 40 years, Lifting 800 Million People Out of Poverty.
Infrastructure to every corner not making money for the politicians, just for the people to improve living.
12-7-2021 Tibet’s first bullet train line enters service
For the first time, travelers in Tibet can enjoy the area’s mountainous views at high-speed.
A 435-kilometer (250-mile) rail line connecting Tibetan capital Lhasa with the city of Nyingchi entered into service on June 25, giving all 31 provincial-level regions of mainland China access to high-speed train travel.
47 tunnels, 121 bridges
Building a high-speed railroad in Tibet, dubbed the “roof of the world,” was no easy feat.
Some 90% of the route, which took six years to construct, sits higher than 3,000 meters above sea level.
The Lhasa-Nyingchi line features 47 tunnels and 121 bridges - which account for about 75% of the whole route. This includes the 525-meter-long Zangmu Railway Bridge, the largest and highest arch bridge of its kind in the world.
Congratulation to Indonesia
A breakthrough in Transportation
Infrastructure is always a contentious issue. In the 80s, the Malaysian PM went ahead with the north south highway. Almost every Malaysian swore against it as it was enriching a select few. And they already had a coastal road. Just a few years ago, the opposite requested toll charges to be waived as the tolls collected had covered over and beyond the construction cost plus. Everything comes down to whether users will deem time is money and use the faster route. There are many such cases of highways eventually becoming very well utilized in spite of a cost to using it. Likewise, the issue of HSR or for that matter, MRT.
Yes, it is all coming down to economy of scale and renewed technology.
agree, when it comes to infrastructure, only a long vision and the smart minds can understand the benefits. the dumb can only see the short term.
Hsr has no big impact in countries like Malaysia. Malaysia already has quite fast train traveling at 120km/hr, highways are world class and AirAsia travel global hub is in KL. Moreover, population not that big in Malaysia compared to Indonesia. Waste of money and time. Going to to be a big white elephant.
Peninsular Malaya just only had less than 30 Million, however Java island is more than 150 Million, markets indicate matters and urgence for the such construction
@@iamofadeadinsideoof1181Exactly. Peninsular Malaysia has 27mil people only excl Sabah and Sarawak
Carilah ilmu sampai ke negeri China, bukankah begitu..? ❤ China ❤ Indonesia
This train is not just a transportation tools , its an economic tools, to create more jobs for the people, this train trigger the development of new economic centres along the route. New malls, new hotels and new roads are being build because of this high speed train.
Indonesians: Hello, we would like to take out a loan to build a high speed railway because we don't have the cash on hand.
Railway gets build.
Indonesians: 4:25 DEBT TRAP!!!!
@@darthvadeth6290 Indonesian has made the Chinese to pay for it's 12000 Indonesian worker and leading to more jobs along the route and related industry. Millions jobs are secured for Indonesian because of this project, billions of dollar will generated because of this project, and in return Indonesia has to pay the debt, it's a $7 billion debt for a $1300 billion /year economic country. Not a bad deal.
Jakarta Bandung high-speed rail cost 7.3 billion US dollars, equivalent to 4.5% of California high-speed rail cost.
2 or 3 years maximum from now on, I bet that Indonesia definitely could build their own HSR, like they build their own MRT.
INKA saat ini tengah melakukan penelitian research dan pembuatan kereta cepat..setahun lagi uji coba..
As a Chinese, I hope you guys do! This is the way forward in growing strong ties.
demi kemakmuran bersama
Its a bit optimistic to be honest, no one can master a technology in a few years, let alone 2-3 years... you need a lot more time, decades even, and a lot of money, to master a craft, its not easy, theres no childrens game my friend.
Actually if you travel alone it's better to use this high speed railway, using car from Jakarta to Bandung would actually cost the same; but the train would save you perhaps twice the time and definitely your energy.
Menurut kami teknologi,cina akhir akhir ini sudah melampaui barat,dari itu kami mulai melirik cina,karna dengan biaya yg cukup terjangkau,bisa melebihi bahkan sm dengan teknologi barat,masih bnyk negara yg belum menyadari bahwa teknologi bkn lagi berada di barat ataupun jepang,tapi ada raksasa teknologi baru yg lebih merakyat😂😅
Asal gak berakhir seperti Kamboja disana kesenjangan sosial nya sangat kelihatan
@@agussatrio7445 ya itu mah terserah Joko,emang Joko jago utang😁🤭
@@agussatrio7445 gk bangun infrastruktur kesenjangan malah tinggi lagi nanti
Indonesia’s 600-capacity train was the first high-speed rail transportation in South-east Asia with the opening of the high-speed rail from Jakarta to Bandung.
With a top speed of 350kmh, the bullet train named Whoosh can get between the capital Jakarta and Bandung in 45 minutes. The 140km journey would previously have taken about three hours by train.
Congratulations Indonesia.
Congratulations to Indonesians! In the end the builders are the heroes. The neysayers can complain as much as they want, but they can’t bring true convenience and comfort to the people.
Thank you
Congratulations 👏👏👏
Me as Indonesian keep build until SURABAYA !!! We need thissss
I think this is a great feat for Indonesia, I mean it's only the beginning... great things we can expect from them!
Woa impressive. 3 years delays on this type of project? with Covid in the middle? Woa impressed.
Debt Trap he says? another video trying to minimize the impact of China and its help on other country. 16USD is indeed a little bit expensive, but do you know how much is the cost of train here in Canada, and with no bullet train?? Congratulation to Indonesia for the first Bullet train in south asia!!!! I now need to get there are test it.
For an infrastructure project of this scale, it has to be funded and supported by the state. Which private enterprise has the financial resources and political mandate to execute such behemoth projects? Even if such private enterprise exists, it is unwise to allow private ownership of such key infrastructural asset.
The indonesian government must have conducted its own feasibility study and find the hsr project worthwhile in the long term. Indonesia has the largest economy / population in south-east Asia and most of the people and economic activities take place in the island of Java. The country's economy is growing rapidly and with that demand for public infrastructure will grow as heightened economic activities move ppl ard. Even if the hsr is losing money in the short term, u can't deny that it offers indonesian a great option to move between cities at a fraction of the time needed on other mode of transport. This is part of raising the standard of living for the people! Giving them options!
Dunnoe why scmp has to frame this in a negative light by selectively using their choice words and interviewing their preferred so-called "expert" in order to paint this as a debt trap laid for Indonesia. This is beginning to feel like a mouth piece for the western hegemony.
Indonesians: Hello, we would like to take out a loan to build a high speed railway because we don't have the cash on hand.
Railway gets build.
Indonesians: 4:25 DEBT TRAP!!!!
They are saying this because japan made a proposal for the same route that had a lower interest rate and adressed the station location problem mentioned in the video, however the government needed to fund the project, the chinese proposal originally did not required state funding and was considered a bussiness to bussiness loan, which is why Jokowi promised not to use state funding, but unexpected costs forced him to. They are essentially saying that we made a bad choice with china and should have gone with japan
Indonesia import HSR from China.
But Indonesia PT INKA also export 120km/hour train to Bangladesh, Filipina, New Zealand, etc.
Why do so many people want infrastructure to be profitable? If it is profitable, it means that all passengers will pay a higher price. Infrastructure is used to drive rapid social development and achieve more profits, rather than relying on self creation of profits.
Hype ? What hype ? It's truly beautiful, fantastico, elevating that Indonesia has this zipping thingy ... Luv it !!!
The traffic problem between the two cities cost Indonesia 8.9 billion dollars annually.
The cost to build this high speed rail is 7.3 billion dollars.
It's all we needed to know.
22-9-2023 U$A, Florida opens first high-speed rail
😅It took 3 hours to cover 378 kilometers, which was only half an hour faster than driving, with an average of only 126KM per hour.
😅One-way fares for second-class seats are $79 and $99, while first-class fares are $149 and $189 one-way.
😨An accident occurred on the first day in the Delray Beach area, killing one person.
This looks cheap. The British are complaining the HS2 rail expected to cost $30billion will now cost over $100 billion. 🤷♂️
Even before Britain's run of double digit inflation from late 2022 to early 2023, the HS2 budget had ballooned.
Its 2015 cost of 55.7 billion pounds ($68 billion) reached 98 billion pounds by 2019, and a 2020 review showed that could rise to 106 billion pounds.
And by the time it complete, will cost 150B
What is wrong for Indonesia to have bullet train for the benefits of its people . Are you paid by US to belittle Indonesia or a US stooge?
Thank you for great content SCM. Regards from Indonesia
💵 Bought Military things (F15X) from US: Cash $22B
💵 Built Economy things (HSR) from China: Debt $7B
😅 Why?.. We, Indonesia knew the function of HSR (ROI) and Military things (non-ROI). Both are super power.
If this cooperation with China could make "debt trap" to Indonesia then how the cooperation with Japan, like India & Vietnam did, what kind of traps make their HSR still not yet arrive.
Even Indonesia's richer neighbour like Singapore & Malaysia still have no HSR to date, probably they wait another project from the US that called "Built Back Better World" , it was told there's no trap & no debt.
Japan train debt traps
As indonesian, am welcoming you guys (chinese investor) to invest more in this country
What's the controversy over pricing? Anyone with common sense wouldn't be comparing ticket prices between communal rail routes against highspeed rails, just as no one would compare pricing against coach lines and air tickets.
Ordinary people, even folks in EU don't travel HSR on regular basis, its basically for business travelers and tourists. I do not believe there would be people by the masses who would commute 3 hours (6 hrs return trip) daily to and from work prior HSR was built?! Then why make it a problem now?
Railway projects especially HSR are super-long term projects; has any Indonesians regretted building the railways during colonial period even though, it costed so much sweats and many lives in the process?
Oh pls, all people know is how to complain. If the gov doesn’t launch this train project, people say traffic is bad, air ticket is too expensive. This is just another option for people to choose. All major projects were delayed during the pandemic all around the world. Not just Indonesia. You expect the gov to abandon project instead of completing it? What is this Bhima guy talking about.
Someone is sour for no other reason than pure jealousy.
SCMP choose to pick commentator who is negative . He who does not know how rich is Indonesia ?...if most politician and beaurocrats doing the right thing in law and economics. So sad that SCMP is biased
SCMP is not Chinese media. Setup by the west and Taiwan anti-China people during Bridish rule.
Singapore CNA pay by taxpayer also need to follow Washxngton agenda, sad for Singaporean.
propaganda common line " at what cost " by the central kitchen(Washxbgton)
Some western dogs keep barking "debt....debt...."
Di internasional dipuja puji...di negeri sendiri dinyinyiri 😂
Bukti rendahnya sdm kita
Di Internasional lagi ktar ktir coy Indonesia punya HSR 😂😂
Tanpa China, lokomotif Indonesia lambat berkembang
The benefit will not be much if it's only serving Jakarta-Bandung. It will be very useful if it serves Jakarta - Surabaya
There are always voices of opposition, and there are also opponents in China. However, the Chinese government’s investment in high-speed rail does not entirely depend on the return on the investment itself, but that these railways can greatly improve the investment environment along the railway and enhance the economic development along the line. , can also improve the uneven economic development between regions, and make people's travel convenient, fast and comfortable. These economic and social benefits are difficult for opponents to understand, but this is what the government should consider and do. This is also the biggest difference between the Chinese government and other Western governments. Think about it, even the most remote rural areas have 4G networks. Which Western country other than China can do this?
中国是先锋队主义 党作为国家的先锋队 领导国家规划和建设 先锋队和中国官僚传统结合
建立了一个既有前瞻性进步性 又有稳定性和1强行政能力的政治集团
China total railway debt is $2T and daily loss of $30M no improvement but deteriorating day by day
that is literally nothing for the Chinese state. @@ozyful
it is something for Indonesia ;they can not run loss for a long time.@@gabrieldsouza6541
Everything in China is failing. From the housing market, infrastructure, food safety, human rights, etc. China is a dump. The only place that's well built in China is the International Zone in Shanghai which was built by the British over 100 years ago.
Today, the Indonesian people can personally experience the convenience brought by the 350KM high-speed rail. They should be grateful to the Indonesian government for wisely choosing China's high-speed rail instead of the Shinkansen a few years ago. Otherwise, Indonesia's high-speed rail dream will become as far away as India and Vietnam.
lol indias hsr is more than twice the length that of indonesia..Here you will not see any japaneese workers working unlike chinnese in indo...
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SCMP, please do a piece on India’s high speed train built by Japan. Ops, it’s not built yet. To be completed when, SCMP?
The high-speed rail in India is over 500 km long, while Indonesia's high-speed rail is only 142 km long. Additionally, India's high-speed rail uses track slabs, while Indonesia's high-speed rail uses ballasted tracks, which are cheaper and faster to implement.
If always worried about debt traps, please ask the United States to send more free money to underdeveloped countries. For them, money is just a piece of paper, not enough then print.😁
Yes. By printing, the US can afford anything and everything.
Dont settle for less. Must use and improve new technologies. Indonesia must move forward.
😅Meanwhile, Britain can no longer afford to build high-speed rail.
3-10-2023 UK government halts plans for Birmingham-Manchester high-speed rail。
HS2 was originally scheduled to connect London to Birmingham, and then expand the route northward to Crewe, Manchester and Leeds to improve transportation between major cities. However, due to project delays and rising costs, the project cost increased from 55.7 billion pounds in 2015 to 2019. It was 98 billion pounds in 2020, and a review in 2020 shows that it may rise to 110.6 billion pounds.
SCMP, why don't you give us more information on the Indian and Japanese HSR project which is only 10 km completed after 7 years, and its over-driven cost and problems. We are more interested in knowing about that than your biased criticism of the Indonesian HSR.
A gentle reminder to the people working in SCMP to get over the sourness of losing your White Exceptionalism Privileges in Hong Kong. Time is changing, and you will soon lose it in other parts of the world.
Indonesia sedang menunjukkan kekuatan Taringnya di kawasan Asia Tenggara sebagai negara Pertama mempunyai Kereta Api Tercepat dari seluruh negara negara di Asia Tenggara.
Proyek ini juga akan dilanjutkan sampai Ke Kota Surabaya total Rel 800 Km.
Naik kereta aja kagak pernah lu, bacot doang,
Komen kyk orng dusun BKN malu,cina yg udh 40 ribu km diem2 aja😂
Ini orang yg suka komen rasis ke Malaysia, fotonya juga palsu
@@rnb2445 kau yang bikin malu tolol, otak kau dungu persis kayak panutan kau si Roky Gerung nafas busuk
@@tahaalaudin9772 Malaysia memang pantas di rasiskan , jika Malaysia tidak terima apa yang akan di lakukan negara sekecil dan selemah Malaysia, jika TNI menyerang dalam 22 jam Malaysia dinyatakan hilang dari peta dunia
Every week I have to travel 150 km by train, for the cost there are 3 types of classes, the cost is 14 dollars, 24 dollars and 30 dollars for a travel time of 3 hours, and all of them are crowded, for a fast train at only 20 dollars it is very cheap with travel time only 45 minutes and distance 130 km... Congratulations
There is a commenter who has said something very pertinent : Building infrastructure can never be considered a debt trap. Buying weapons in the billions of USD is the real debt trap.
Trying to turn public transport into a profitable business is a non starter. Most governments in the world know that.
build road bring in zero $$ but they have to build, train is no different
Indonesia now have more advanced train than most western countries
California has spent $10 billion on high speed rail so far, and what has it got? Nothing! It makes me envious to see Indonesia got its high speed rail. Congratulations to Indonesia. I hope the construction of the part that extends beyond Bandung will soon start.
You don't hype too much about projects undertaken by the Chinese, wait till you hear the horror about the cost of the HSR2 in the UK and the number of years and cost-cutting and even abandon certain parts of the route even though is already in the plan.
This Hongkong media always make a bad asumption about China 😊
Tokyo-- Osaka HSR runs every 3.5~5 minites .You can understand that frequency brings profit in HSR world.
India and Indonesia proposed High speed train corridor at the same time but Indonesia completed the corridor much more ahead than India. India should have choosed china instead of Japan for the construction of India's first high speed Train corridor.
LoL.... Indonesia's HSR is only 140 km and it took nearly 7 years to complete it .While Indian HSR is 550 km(including 21 km undersea tunnel) means more time required to acquire land and construct the HSR .(Construction only started in 2019 due to land acquisition problem).Moreover HSR in Indonesia has been constructed by chinese companies who already has experience of building 20,000 km of HSR , while in India all construction are being done by Indian companies. So it require time to get technology and expertise. (Lets see chinese cycle - Chinese banks giving loan for HSR , while chinese steel suppliers , construction companies , trainset suppliers , chinese workers(working on project) etc taking them back from Indonesia to chinese banks 🤣🤣And interest that chinese banks will get in future is bonus ).
@@AbhishekPatel-lb1pdindia can bark 10 yrs without doing nothing.... Why india government employees are not getting salary on time??? Something is wrong with india economy...😂😂😂😂😂😂
India government are crazy
They believe Japan could make train for 12B while China asking 30B
Are you crazy? Japan train is cheaper than Chinese?
Are you nuts?
@@peterneil6859Indias foreign reserv is 600 billion usd😂
Indonesia Must Says Thank You To China
In any major projects there are pro and con of it. No doubt it's an expensive project but more important consideration is it is worthwhile in the long run.
Awal mula indonesia dipandang dan infrastrutture di kerjakan dengan baik di era presiden jokowi presiden terbaik sepanjang masa beliau akan menjadi presiden legend
7.1 billion dollar high speed rail project is a debt trap? For a massive project like this, keeping the cost only 1 billion over budget is already a great achievement itself considering factors like land acquisitions. geographic uncertainties, inflation, COVID, etc. A real debt trap is 368 billion AUKUS project. Australia is betting its future for these 8 subs, yet does not even have a train faster than 130kmph.
Indonesia chose economic development, while Australia quietly chose potential war.
12-7-2022 Britain-based charity Debt Justice:
35% of African gov debt is owed to Western lenders compared to 12% owed to Chinese lenders
The average interest rate on Western loans is 5%, compared to 2.7% Chinese lenders.
12-7-2022 Studies show private Western lenders create most of African debt burden
In a report released last week, Britain-based charity Debt Justice found that African governments owe three times more debt to Western banks, asset managers, and oil traders than to China, and are charged double the interest.
The report said 12 percent of African governments' external debt is owed to Chinese lenders compared to 35 percent owed to Western private lenders, adding that the average interest rate on private loans is 5 percent, compared to 2.7 percent on loans from Chinese public and private lenders.
The new findings lay bare the absurdity of the so-called "debt-trap diplomacy" that has been for too long touted by Western politicians and propaganda machines in smear campaigns against China, experts have said.
03:00 nice opinion but as tourist may choose HSR for destination transport also about the price I think it's normal compared toll tax, instead driving 142km make you feel tired and sleepy the Indonesian HSR also make you safe from traffic accident, time, cost.
Hope Indonesia can Build train in Borneo 🎉
Lagipula ini adalah Proyek investasi masa depan yang mana Tujuannya "Transfer of technology", pembangunan yang harapannya akan balik modal dalam 40 tahun, pasti akan terbayar apalagi tiket bisa saja Naik harganya yoy. Penunjang transportasi umum dengan cepat. Harganya yang mahal wajar karena kita belum memiliki HSR.
Jepang awalnya juga takut kekurangan penumpang dan gak balik modal karna biayanya sangat mahal dan sempat Cost overrun juga, tapi lihat sekarang kekhawatiran mreka berubah dan malah memperbanyak jalurnya.
Cuma agak disayangkan Indonesia menggunakan dana APBN dan pembangunannya sempat lambat.
@@agussatrio7445 Justru saya malah mendukung penggunaan APBN untuk proyek seperti ini, karena ini menunjukkan komitmen pemerintah untuk mendukung pembangunan infrastruktur jalan rel di Indonesia. Adanya RRC sebagai investor harusnya disyukuri dan dianggap sebagai keberuntungan, bukan menjadikan pemerintah hanya bergantung pada investor untuk pembangunan infrastruktur.
This idea of the opposition is really disgusting.
The Chinese trains werent full on the first day they were launched. If they are that's not success, that means you are way behind the curve.
Indonesia is a fast growing economy thats projected to become the 4th largest by 2050. If its citizens still cant afford HSR in the coming years, then the country wouldve failed elsewhere.
As for costs and land acquisition challenges, it is down to Indonesia to fix that as it will greatly boost adoption & affordability. Otherwise it will fall more into the India trajectory of implementation than China's.
Going by the same reasoning, no modern airports should be built in Indonesia because they will be too expensive, and only a few people can afford the airfare.