NEW WARHAMMER 40K UPDATE - Garrett's Armies Overview (Black Templars, Necrons, Thousand Sons)

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  • Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
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    Bricky and Garrett in Dicecheck discusses the new 10th Edition Dataslate released on September 7th 2023! How has Garrett's armies fared with the new update?!
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  • @scottyjoe6966
    @scottyjoe6966 Год назад +40

    I like the idea of moving this kind of content over to dice check, if not for the ease of centralizing it on one channel instead of between two different channels.

  • @scottish_saint
    @scottish_saint Год назад +69

    As a Crons player who doesn’t run the Sempiternal Shard - I cannot believe that they haven’t fixed that shenanigan yet. It’s just a silly, silly combo.

    • @marjohnbuncio2782
      @marjohnbuncio2782 Год назад +1

      Its all right, with good screening the ctan will just do nothing

    • @Tearakan
      @Tearakan Год назад +2

      ​@marjohnbuncio2782 not really. It can tear through screens and bully the midfield then later on teleport to the enemy army weakspot.

  • @chaserandalow8548
    @chaserandalow8548 Год назад +24

    I would love to see a necron triarch praetorian leader model (perhaps the execution role from infinite and the divine) that can lead the praetorians. The executioner would be a champion style character meant to eliminate enemy leaders, perhaps having a free heroic intevention or advance and charge.

    • @reginlief1
      @reginlief1 Год назад

      More Triarchs in general tbh.

  • @astral_ragtime5365
    @astral_ragtime5365 Год назад +6

    As someone who has been running Plasmancer and Szeras with Tesla Immortals... adding Anrakyr in means my 20 shots can very suddenly become 27 wounds going out.
    VOLUME FIRE! THEY MIGHT SAVE BUT THEY'RE NOT SAVING *ALL* OF 'EM

  • @Dewoy1
    @Dewoy1 Год назад +12

    About the Silent King, i think its really hard to weigh the ability to reanimate the beamers against the lack of supporting auras he has now, compared to 9th. I think, the perfect sweet spot is to make him 400, and give him the ability to generate 1 CP. That would hilariously compete with Imotekh, which fits perfect, cause they hate eachother.

  • @Dinblade03
    @Dinblade03 Год назад +17

    More amusing with the Sisters of Silence's Vigilators or Witchseekers, if you take anything but 4(or 10 on Witchseekers) you are paying more per model, the whole points being divisible by 5 system was not made for these girls

  • @richardduska1558
    @richardduska1558 Год назад +8

    23:30 Also. GW being GW because eventough they use the same colors some of these are point decrease.

  • @tomhiggart
    @tomhiggart Год назад +2

    Illuninar szeras plus immortals. When the immortals fight and use protocol of the hungry void they become 2 attacks at ws2 st 5 ap2 d1 with rerolls to wound. Stonks. Just go around fighting other ranged units and be better at combat and feed illuminar szeras.

  • @the_rosegoddess
    @the_rosegoddess Год назад +6

    My favourite change this balance slate is the point drop on Pathfinder Teams, love the speedy little doods with laser pointers. Least favourite is most likely the Dev Wounds change, makes Rail-weapons feel very lackluster.

    • @jasonbagley6948
      @jasonbagley6948 Год назад

      They are going to trounce Custodes now…I’d be happy with the change. With the points drop. I’ll be taking 3 squads now.

  • @bombarded15
    @bombarded15 Год назад +1

    Love how chill you guys are, particular praise to Garret as a Custodes player saying "yep, stuff was over tuned, it makes the game better [without 10 man bricks and free fights first]"
    Great anlysis guys, looking forward to some Ork coverage 😄

  • @dickkickem4238
    @dickkickem4238 Год назад +4

    I like that admech got buffs, but because the rest of the game basically also did, we're still probably going to be at the bottom.

  • @halfcrafted
    @halfcrafted Год назад +3

    Thanks for making these recaps guys, much more interesting watching you guys shoot the shit rather than trawling reddit threads trying to find something coherent.

  • @Azrael178
    @Azrael178 Год назад +3

    As custodes player I think people are overestimating the impact of our nerfs. We will be a little weaker but unless the Dev wounds are much bigger than I expect we will still be fine. At the very least top of the B tier. Probably mid A tier. But our lists are going to be much more diverse with some interesting motorised or shooting lists opening up

    • @darklink9922
      @darklink9922 Год назад +1

      Agreed considering dev wounds are weaker over all ppl are less likely to be taking them unless Custodies shoot to the top of the Meta

    • @facemite
      @facemite Год назад

      ​@@darklink9922 you say that till a stern gaurd unit of 10 comes around the corner and auto deletes your squad of 5

    • @darklink9922
      @darklink9922 Год назад

      @facemite sure but for most armies that would've been the case even before the change unless you were playing Custodies. Dev wounds got worse overall against most armies. Also luckily I haven't really faced any Sternguard

  • @uhjn
    @uhjn Год назад

    my first finished painted unit was a full squad of skorp destroyers and a skorp lord, im happy

  • @nathangontarz4127
    @nathangontarz4127 Год назад +2

    I feel like there is some sort of Szeres, King, Immortals, warriors, monolith combo out there that would be really fun to play and annoying to play against ... throw in a hexmark or two for extra annoyance

  • @isaachaahr8691
    @isaachaahr8691 Год назад +1

    Necrons do not need more buffs they are doing fine. I do think it would be interesting to change triarch pretorians into baby custodes. T6, 3 wounds, 2+ 5++ 2 shots at range, 4 attacks melee, with the 9 inch move for 40 points per model.

    • @darklink9922
      @darklink9922 Год назад +1

      Agreed I'm dreading the day I have to play Necrons because I have no idea what I'm gonna do to a Brick of warriors

    • @isaachaahr8691
      @isaachaahr8691 Год назад

      @@darklink9922 my advice would be to to ignore it. Unless they have 3 warrior units you could just go after everthing else.

  • @ryanryan3220
    @ryanryan3220 Год назад +5

    I have not seen Matt for a while. I want to see what he thinks about the Nids in Balance Dataslate.

    • @snowconesyrup2698
      @snowconesyrup2698 Год назад +5

      Correct me if I'm wrong but when they relaunched the channel they mentioned matt has burnt out on the game I believe

    • @xxklesx1
      @xxklesx1 Год назад +6

      @@snowconesyrup2698he has burn out. Because of his job and not because of 40k. The problem is that 40k was part of his job. So i think he plays only private at the moment.

    • @ryanryan3220
      @ryanryan3220 Год назад

      I see

    • @Backstabmacro
      @Backstabmacro Год назад

      That’s too bad. Matt was always high energy and fun to watch. Hope he’ll someday feel like coming back to at least do a cameo game.

    • @snowconesyrup2698
      @snowconesyrup2698 Год назад

      ​@@xxklesx1 thank you for clarification i wasn't 100% on the details

  • @gregsmw
    @gregsmw Год назад

    @26:00 talking about ksons free strats
    no kson character has free generic strats (there is one that gives free heroic intervention)
    the only way for ksons to get 0cp stratagems was through cabal points, which they will still have available to spend on other things, yes they cant double up a stratagem now through cabal points, but its less of a nerf then you think as they can simply choose to spend the points on something else instead
    the dev wound change is actually a pretty heft buff for ksons as a lot of their damage came from mortal output in 1-2 damage dev wound weapons, which the new dev wounds is a buff for as they now bypass mortal fnps
    ksons got hit a but by the points nerfs, but they didnt get hit as badly as the other top armies did

  • @christopherclayton5500
    @christopherclayton5500 Год назад

    Hungry Void on sword and board Lychguard is no joke. Strength breakpoint for T6, T7, T12, and T13.
    Cryptothralls, I would have preferred if you had to allocate wounds to the rest of the Bodyguard unit before you can allocate wounds to them. So they could still technically come back, but usually won't.
    10 man Warriors going down points makes sense, but 20 man units probably should have stayed the same. (Which is a thing that GW can do now that the cost isn't per model, but for some reason refuse to.)
    Not being able to be shot from anywhere by anything is a boon to the Monolith. It's also a really neat model that I've been using at 385 points anyway.
    Tesla is generally better with Plasmancer than gauss is, I mean other than against T10+.

  • @Darkja
    @Darkja Год назад +1

    Skorpekh Lord is trash with Lethal Hits, it should be Sustained Hits instead, the fact that lethal hits conflicts with Devastating Wounds is dumb, if you pop a plasmacyte you want those DW, getting lethals instead is a bust because allows the enemy to save when that is exactly what you are trying to prevent with the plasmacyte

  • @gregsmw
    @gregsmw Год назад

    on necrons, with the removal of dev wounds spilling over a LOT of the necron warriors natural enemies have been hamstrung
    any 2-3 damage dev wound weapon CRIPPLED in power vs necron warriors, of which there are a LOT
    for example, with old dev wounds an undivided forgefiend with reroll hits and wounds killed an average of 27 warriors, 18 of which came from dev wounds
    with the new dev wounds the same forgefiend kills 15 warriors, still a lot, but a damn sight less then 27
    the thing that was killing warrior blocks fast was dev wounds spilling over, with that gone warriors and lich guard are a LOT more tanky
    notably the chronomancer FNP is not against mortals, its just a straight FNP, so it will still work vs the new dev wounds unlike custodes FNP

  • @Streygenmoment
    @Streygenmoment Год назад +2

    Does anyone on this channel still play Grey Knights? Because I wanna know their thoughts on them. As one myself, I think that the points drops have made our list building more versatile. Like now it's not gonna feel bad to run a more shooty list with purgators, dreadnoughts, and paladins, since Purgation squads are now affordable

    • @sebson1477
      @sebson1477 Год назад +2

      As Grey Knights player myself, I am pretty glad that purgation squads aren't outrageously over costed anymore. Kind wish they changed the Grand Master's free strat rule to work like the regular SM captains, but I'll take what I can get honestly. Very pleased with the points changes. I was actually surprised to see the Paladins and Terminators get a points buff bc they were already very good. Hopefully the dreadknights will be worth the cost now.

  • @tmirred1945
    @tmirred1945 Год назад

    TSons Predator destructors have 2 infernal hvy bolters meaning they got -3ap when shooting in infantry with those

  • @MegaApostel
    @MegaApostel Год назад +1

    Think hitting all HQ and the Rubrics was a little hard. Could have stayed away from the Rubrics.
    Don’t understand why the Predator went up in points xD
    Would also love if the Hellbrute was slightly cheaper

  • @DirtHermit
    @DirtHermit Год назад

    This is hilarious for me this time, because all that changes for my army is now i can use Zodgrod and a 22mob of Grots instead of a couple Meks.

  • @ironhand_straken
    @ironhand_straken Год назад +1

    garrets very fun. i enjoy him

  • @ardenelenduil2334
    @ardenelenduil2334 Год назад

    Y'all are forgetting the glory that is the Seraptek Heavy Construct. Baller machine right there

  • @JackDespero
    @JackDespero Год назад +2

    As a sisters player, I will play Black Templars, kitbash some boob armor, and pretend mentally that they are viable sisters.

  • @Themrbillyboy
    @Themrbillyboy Год назад

    I liked this alot! Think the name was garret, but he’s good to listen to! I also love two person discussions for the changes

  • @richardduska1558
    @richardduska1558 Год назад +3

    I think Rubrics did not need a point increase and the hellbrute could be cheaper so that it could see more play. But as a TS pleayer I MOSTLY agree with the point change.

  • @WTFChickens
    @WTFChickens Год назад

    You mentioned how Custodes will be fine without exaction squads because they have a sisters of silence squad at 40 pts. Have you looked at Agents of Imperium? Inquisitorial henchmen cost 40 pts for 4 models with 2 W each for some reason, so literally every Imperium army will continue to have dirt cheap units and be fine which is really annoying.

  • @MrDaantjuh9
    @MrDaantjuh9 Год назад

    The thing about the strat changes wrt Battle Tactic, I feel like the idea that it was mostly about saving CP (how I interpret referring to the change as impacting 'free strat abilities') is a little off. All or most of these rules also specifically allowed you to do the stratagem *a second time* (or even up to three times in the Thousand Sons case) in one phase, which is what made it not just powerful but overpowered combined with certain strats. So yeah, losing the 'free strat' is rough but an alternative where the free bit is gone but the twice per phase would still be possible would be a huge difference

  • @xenostyrant4118
    @xenostyrant4118 Год назад

    I've definitely thinking of 2 squads of 10 Immortals with 2 plasmancers and Szeras.

  • @JuanThunder79
    @JuanThunder79 Год назад

    The triach stalker gives out ignores cover to a unit it hits.

  • @Phosis9
    @Phosis9 Год назад

    I don't think we can use the Echoes cabal ritual to use Cmd Re-roll for 0cp. No TSons unit is actually targeted by the strat. So we're looking at Go to Ground and Devastating Sorcery.

  • @Azrael178
    @Azrael178 Год назад

    If ksons become a problem for custodes, custodes will just start to take sisters of silence rhino. Good luck with that effective 33w 75p vechicles

  • @KKZVlug
    @KKZVlug Год назад

    I wpuld love more of this to hear even your outside persepctive on other armies like mine the Nids

  • @gregsmw
    @gregsmw Год назад

    BT crusader squads now have by FAR the cheapest SM body in the game
    125pts for a sword bretheren and 9 initiates (who are the full armour crusader squad guy)
    thats 12.5points for a SPACE MARINE, thats 30 4/1/1 attacks in melee for 125points, they can reroll advance and charge rolls#
    its actually shocking how cheep they are, they are also battleline, so for 750pts you could have SIXTY space marine bodies charging up the board

  • @ChaosSwarm
    @ChaosSwarm Год назад

    1 thing to help sisters dmg a litle and other factions is make melta incrise dmg AND Strenght bay X number. Wold make melta guns be S11 upp close.

  • @aatroxtheworldender9665
    @aatroxtheworldender9665 Год назад

    About the allarus terminator and forge fiend thing. Now 2 dev wounds kill a terminator. But with the mortals that would be 6 mw and with our 4+++ statistically the allarus survives. While I’m not crying here or anything, I just wanted to point that out as maybe not the best comparison

    • @bingusgrangus1441
      @bingusgrangus1441 Год назад

      It’s not crying if it’s actually dumb game design. Now most armies can shoot us to death even more! Sick!

  • @Xynth25
    @Xynth25 Год назад +2

    Garrett missed the obvious Black Templars tech...you alter the list to get 2 Land Raider Redeemers in there and put your 10 Sword Bretheren with characters in them.

    • @Sofa_Kingdom243
      @Sofa_Kingdom243 Год назад

      That's a good one, altho I do love a 5 man squad of PSB plus a character with a 3 man block of assault centurions in a land raider crusader, both of which got cheaper. Praise the god emperor!

    • @Darksky1001able
      @Darksky1001able Год назад

      @@Sofa_Kingdom243 My thoughts are 3 squads, 1 terminators, 2 psb, termies led by chaplain in termie armor, 1 squad of psb led by a primaris chaplain, and the other led by Helbrecht. I wanna replace the Primaris Chaplain with Grimaldus but im waiting on him to arrive.

  • @Syst3m04
    @Syst3m04 Год назад +1

    Still waiting for them to say Aeldari fate dice don’t count as natural, so no natural 6’a for auto devastating

  • @spot6532
    @spot6532 Год назад

    Blood Angels' detachment still seems worse than other marines, but I am so excited for their points drops
    Death Company across the board got MASSIVE point drops

  • @jackmcfetridge
    @jackmcfetridge Год назад

    Don’t forget, all infantry got a buff with the dev wounds nerf, so necron warrior/immortal blobs are even stronger than you see

  • @BananenbaumEY
    @BananenbaumEY 7 месяцев назад

    What happened to Dameki and the point talk? :(

  • @caveyiswow92
    @caveyiswow92 Год назад +1

    The problem I have with immortals bricky is everytime I build them with support, I can't help but compare them to 6 lokhust destroyers with a lokhust lord. They're just far superior

    • @christopherclayton5500
      @christopherclayton5500 Год назад

      I'm pressing X to doubt on that.

    • @Backstabmacro
      @Backstabmacro Год назад

      Immortals with a Plasmancer is one of my go-to squads. Just good, wholesome, Gauss-flavored fun.

    • @caveyiswow92
      @caveyiswow92 Год назад

      18 s5 ap 2 d2 hitting shots on a unit that also has critical hits, 3 wounds each (18 bodyguard), and with a rez orb costing a comfortable 260 points. Seems far superior to 195 points immortals and plasmancer or 260 for immortals plasmancer and lord for the rez orb. They're getting 20 shots at s5 ap1 d1. The lokhust are faster and tougher and don't need szeras to get that ap 2, and damage 2 is just so much better. @@christopherclayton5500

  • @Frosty-kz4om
    @Frosty-kz4om Год назад

    Well it was fun taking Magnus whilst he was actually viable for once.

  • @jonathanrichardson9935
    @jonathanrichardson9935 Год назад

    Broadside’s got very interesting with their points drops. But yeah hammerhead have become effectively useless

  • @icefire-no7vm
    @icefire-no7vm Год назад

    Have nemesor zahndrekh lead the immortals too and you can give them +1 sustained hits as well

  • @giimli3254
    @giimli3254 Год назад

    Vulken lives

  • @Romancenturion-no3cm
    @Romancenturion-no3cm Год назад +1

    Yay another talk vid. Another good vid to paint along to.

  • @PaintedMan924
    @PaintedMan924 Год назад

    Favourite change: Playing against Custodes doesnt feel like your only win condition is dumb luck
    Hated change: Necron reanimation has been hit super hard :(

    • @isaachaahr8691
      @isaachaahr8691 Год назад

      You still have the ghost arch if you want a bit more reanimation.

  • @minimotomania4435
    @minimotomania4435 Год назад

    Get mighty jingles on the show

  • @azulaahriman
    @azulaahriman Год назад

    They pre-emtively his TS hard and yet didnt hit Eldar hard cuz they felt this was enough..... gg GW

  • @abrarnoorani8385
    @abrarnoorani8385 Год назад +2

    As a CK enjoyer, can GW please stop kicking my bois in their figurative teeth and forcing me into wardog spam?

    • @abrarnoorani8385
      @abrarnoorani8385 Год назад +2

      I feel like the best way to fix them is help our points and change battle shock so if you fall below half naturally you automatically get battle shocked and then you have to test each round to get out of it but you still need to roll when it's forced on you.

    • @Backstabmacro
      @Backstabmacro Год назад

      IK and CK both didn’t deserve ANY of what they got in this dataslate. Battleshock changes just make sense, once the squad is at risk, make them STAY at risk.

  • @jamessmall6499
    @jamessmall6499 Год назад

    Magnus done fucked up

  • @jasonbagley6948
    @jasonbagley6948 Год назад

    Garrett, the way GW is producing rules, we will ALL be lucky we can play our armies for the next 4 years…3 at best. We’ve already been in 2 1/2 months and 10th edition is now 10.1.
    I’m glad you’re both optimistic about the Custodes…personally I think they are dust collectors on my shelf until the codex comes out or GW fixes their army rule.

  • @555tork
    @555tork Год назад

    bring back scatter dice and templates for indirect weapons.

  • @Saintvengeance522
    @Saintvengeance522 Год назад

    Crons are just a dead army now competitively

  • @russelljohnson5628
    @russelljohnson5628 Год назад +1

    You guys know Bricky has an only fans. The name is bricked up.

  • @jacobbroschak6690
    @jacobbroschak6690 Год назад

    second

  • @BusinessRogue
    @BusinessRogue Год назад +4

    First 😎

  • @fourthousandhammers3493
    @fourthousandhammers3493 Год назад

    Second

  • @minimotomania4435
    @minimotomania4435 Год назад

    Third

  • @Khobai
    @Khobai Год назад +2

    i hate this balance dataslate its awful

  • @TheMostSlyFox
    @TheMostSlyFox Год назад +3

    Terrible edition, dont know why people are stockholm syndromed by a corporation into liking this stuff

    • @RaVNeFLoK
      @RaVNeFLoK Год назад +2

      Agreed. I played throughout 7th imbalanced stuff… and 10th takes the cake in terms of army imbalances. It’s just the worst edition and we had so high hopes coming from 9th rules bloat. We have stopped playing in my group. If the people making the game are so incompetent and if they know so little about their own game then we won’t bother wasting time.

    • @jasonbagley6948
      @jasonbagley6948 Год назад

      That’s why I’m investing my time in OPR

    • @notsogreatjagras4314
      @notsogreatjagras4314 Год назад +1

      We like it because it's good. Not perfect but good.

    • @pyrothem
      @pyrothem Год назад

      At least GW is trying to make changes instead of ignoring the problem completely. Which was what it was like pre 7th.

    • @BananenbaumEY
      @BananenbaumEY 7 месяцев назад

      @@RaVNeFLoK lol 10th is miles ahead of 7th and the most balanced edition yet...

  • @bingusgrangus1441
    @bingusgrangus1441 Год назад

    The nerfs to custodes are definitely really unnecessary after the stratagem changes and making our detachment useless.

  • @TheMostSlyFox
    @TheMostSlyFox Год назад +3

    Terrible edition, dont know why people are stockholm syndromed by a corporation into liking this stuff