Awww love you and love GenSpec. A total lovefest for me. I also have a lot of funny views of Argentina via being an American studying abroad in Chile. Gotta love the neighborly rivalries and stereotypes!
This is a great discussion and the connection to cultism is very clear. The other thing not discussed is the effect of childhood trauma (not the AGPs as they have sexual paraphilias...)
I worked at a gender clinic in San Francisco for a decade, and I knew , deep down, that it wasn’t working. The people came out more miserable than they went in. They were in the most supportive environment on earth and yet they were so unhappy. We and they were told the only reason they were unhappy with the gender affirming hormones and surgery was due to social stigma. There was no social stigma in San Francisco. They were celebrated, not just accepted. So this didn’t make sense. Even then I still repeated the narrative, and when a friends son came out as a woman, I shamed her for not being ok with this immediately. It took me many years of being away from the community to finally realize how much my friend needed to be able to grieve her sons loss, and how much I had been indoctrinated into the cult despite even seeing with my own eyes how much it wasn’t possible to do what they claimed they were able to do.
The outcomes for trans people has always been bad. MtF trans have always had high rates of drug addiction, sex work, HIV, and domestic violence. There is a trans ethnic group in the US with a 50% HIV rate.
I used to watch documentaries on female genital mutilation and wonder "how could a culture agree to do this to their children?" But here we are. I'm amazed by how dismissive people are of this issue. What's happening to the children is evil but the other thing that we always dance around is that vulnerable adults with other mental illnesses are also being exploited. It's insane.
I completely agree. I've also used FGM as a direct comparison, as a talking point on this subject. Because it really makes people look what things differently.
I needed this video. I’m an atheist and l watch atheist RUclipsrs who are extremely intelligent like Stephen Woodford and Aron Ra. I find them fascinating when it comes to dismantling religion and religious arguments. They see the cult like behavior in that. But they are blind to the way gender ideology, woke culture, and identity politics on the far left has essentially turned into one big cult. There are people are on the far left who are willing to completely cut off friends and family just for voting for Trump … and they can’t see how it’s the same thing as Religious people cutting people out/ex communicating them over whatever perceived slight or infraction that’s unacceptable for their religion/world view. It’s wild.
Yeah, watching the fracture of the atheist movement with atheism+ was wild, back then. You could see a video of someone pointing out all the classical fallacies used by religious people to defend their irrationality, then turn and use the exact same ones a second later to defend the most batshit feminism.
@@kbeetles I've never really heard a sensible definition of cult that would include all the things people frequently call cults but exclude every major religion - I think the best thing is what he said at 29:30, to accept 'cult' as a sliding scale that includes all sorts of social groups. Realistically though it seems to be just a word people use when they when they want to give a negative connotation to a group.
@@kbeetles But any ideology can have cultists pushing it, be it religious or secular. Because it is about how human nature is. We used to have religions as moral ideologies. Now we have secular moral systems. The ideologies changed...the human brain mechanisms when it comes to defending them have stayed pretty much the same.
My post-grad was in ritual and ceremony, and the psychological importance of marking various stages in the life trajectory. We have lost so much in such a short period of time, and our culture is the poorer for it.
I think that is really important. From my own experience, the only time I was celebrated was when I got married. It was an important factor in deciding to marry.... You can guess how unhealthy that was
I wonder if the depersonalized, sanitized way funerals are treated in the modern society has a negative impact on people. Actually I don´t wonder "if", but rather how big the negative impact is. Instead of digging the grave and handling the dead family member we call a service which does the unpleasant work for us. But I burried all of my dead pets in the wood or in a "community" garden. I can´t imagine giving them to some strangers to burry them, and then just throw some flowers on the grave. But we are doing exactly that with people who passed away.
I've noticed humour is an important device for sounding out ideas. It's a gentle way of suggesting the way something is being perceived might not be quite right.
Verrry interesting and informative. I'm almost 40 and female and in my young teens while going through puberty I suffered immensely. Not only of physical pain menstruating but such bad emotional pain that I could feel it physically. I wailed and cried at times and just, ugh... it's so hard and feeling like you're possessed by an evil spirit isn't an understatement. I grew up and went on antidepressants and got better but it wasn't easy. I also woke up to a lot of the corruption in things like the sugar industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the govt. industries, hollywood, etc. pre-covid and when I started seeing this Trans stuff popping up I knew exactly what it was but I couldn't place my finger on it exactly. I fought against it with my friends and family, mostly on social media and I kept saying "I went through this, this isn't how you deal with it!" They laughed at me for the most part because obviously I didn't actually go through it the way they are going through it now but I knew that the kids who are suffering aren't suffering with gender issues and DO NOT NEED gender re-assignment! This video does a good job of helping me understand why I was correct all those years ago.
As a man I might be way off but I feel like this stuff lifted the lid for me on how many different ways the medical industry has been trying to medicalize basically being female. It's led me to other areas like the downsides of the pill and issues with menopause medication as well as how women who become surrogates are subjected to a barrage of invasive procedures. It really worries me as someone who works in education what teen girls might be thinking about perfectly normal or manageable issues.
@@KonynXoXo My experience as a tangential man has been that in literally every case the pill was prescribed they told the girl/woman near nothing about it, it felt like they basically tricked her in order to prevent teen pregnancy, it had a negative impact on hormones/mood/libido and it resolved when they came off it. I also got the distinct impression they sneered at the idea of teaching girls/women about their bodies or dealing with puberty/life by being informed and finding other ways to go through natural processes. They made them feel stupid for asking questions that the "professional" often couldn't answer. Coincidentally your comment made me feel better about buying my fiancée a hot water bottle for her birthday. So thanks. I agree that we need to go back to common sense and natural measures. We are far too overmedicated as a society. Particularly in regards to natural processes.
Thanks again Andrew. I love your work. I grew up in a family cult (like a lot of kids). I was gaslit and programmed to not have needs, such as: not allowed to have feelings (different to my mother), not to be seen as a burden on my parents (by having an illness or emotional needs), and not being allowed to be or show confidence (as my mentally disabled sibling would shame me and get violent as that was seen as being "up yourself"). Being female was also a problem as my father was a minsogynst. Despite this and many other things like alcoholism, violence, financial abuse, parentification etc etc, I "wasn't allowed to leave" or say anything that might show that some of my parents decisions weren't the best. I always felt and knew that something was wrong...initially I thought it was all me. Then my low key chronic health problems became acute. Long story short. I woke up. I went no contact with all my family. It wasn't anything a therapist said to me as often they invalidating or downplayed my experiences anyway so I stopped going. Plain old physical health issues. I realised only I am responsible for my health...my parents weren't magically going to turn around and start to care. A massive shock. But after about 5 years of inner and outer work, and no contact, I am better, more aware, I see through gaslighting, and I am less panicky.
I was watching the latest Exorcist movie over Halloween. I don't find The Exorcist scary, basically because it seems like the worst the devil can do in those movies is possess some adolescent girls to terrorize their families. And then it became clear to me that all the demon possession movies were basically about the terror of raising girls going through puberty and I was laughing through the rest of the horror film because once I saw it I couldn't unsee it. I was later talking to my Roman Catholic husband who can not tolerate exorcism movies and was terrified of them and I explained the whole girls going through puberty angle to him and he said that I took all of the fear of them from him with that framing and even asked to watch The Exorcist with me. On that note, we do have a tween girls on the cusp of puberty... On a more serious note, I really think the counseling profession needs to start teaching students about social contagions, culture bound syndromes, and to try to be on the look out for the next one to prevent us from going down this path again. As Andrew so rightly points out you see this in different cultures over and over again.
Yes, it would be good for young people to be aware of social contagion, but at a more basic level they should be taught to think critically - as I was, in school, back in the 1970s. They should question everything - not in an arrogant or disruptive way, but by keeping in mind that teachers or preachers who sound very sure of themselves may in fact be wrong.
I used to describe myself as Reagen when I started going through puberty so seeing this comment makes a lot more sense!! The Exorcist is such a great film and it's disappointing how many people refuse to watch it when it's such an important film
I'd like to have some opinions of the therapists who diagnosed adult, married men as "transsexuals" and did any of them do what my now ex-husband's therapist did? That is, did you tell the wife she needs to learn how to use various kink equipment and "watch special videos." Because she did that. In my data on 64 trans widows, that is a thing, a trend, this recommendation of "erotic, p-word" imagery to then imitate. They must admit and acknowledge they did this. And still do this. Because it is ritual manipulation and coercive control. Behind the Looking Glass at LIme Soda Films RUclips channel. Genspect, please do a commentary on Behind the Looking Glass. There is a great deal of information to be derived from trans widows, because we know their modes.
You all are literally describing the repressed memory (related to the "Satanic panic") movement that took hold during the late 80s/early 90s. My sister & I were both victims of this insanity, led by the mental health profession. After all these years, she still believes it. I woke up when, after a couple of years of being away from his influence, I saw my psychologist's notes that just didn't match up to my reality in any way. Trans mania hits very close to home to me because it mirrors that movement almost exactly. It was so destructive- our family never fully recovered - but at least I still have all my body parts. What's happening now is terrifying, and very very dark.
Remember when young teenagers would get a boyfriend / girlfriend, experience "puppy love", walk around holding hands, get some special attention from said boyfriend / girlfriend, instead of heading down the path of transition.
The comment re anorexia by the audience member actually answered the question - anorexia is a great example of social contagion AS WELL AS being about trauma + body dysmorphia + trauma...much like trans...and also exorcism...and group s u i c i d e in youth...and cults...
I remember well in the early 1990s when anorexia was a big thing, just entering my consciousness as family friends would talk about their daughters battle against anorexia & bulimia, it was in the air at the time & a big talking point, now not so much but Trans is everywhere, it's in the schools, the office, the health services, the police, judiciary, Media ... Trans ideology is everywhere and it's very hard to fight against, even though its foundations are built on nothing more than sand !! Strange then how it's got such a tight grip on the Anglosphere, or maybe its not so strange, as like all cults and contagions we as humans are susceptible to such things until it slowly fades away ..... Witchcraft or talking to the dead (séanse) in Victorian times would have been predecessors to the Trans contagion.
@@author4you443 If it was just the Anglosphere, there wouldn't be the rapid onset eating disorder of Hong Kong. Whenever I hear some person claim a social ill affects only white and western, I point to several eastern countries with similar problems.
I grew up in the 1950-1970's, and I confidently believe that if they had been born 50 years sooner, many of the young people today who believe themselves to be "trans" would be "inviting Jesus into their lives", being "born again", seeking "baptism in the Holy Spirit", speaking in tongues, praying for healing etc, etc. Like Andrew I see so many parallels.
Well done all. This is why I like conferences like this, because they provide many different angles to look at things. It's not just a big affirmative echo. Superb, more of this please!
It's more than just this idea of intervention. The most common story I've seen of people questioning their gender identity has been the result of a search for belonging - they're people who struggle to fit in with more typical peer groups, who discover ideas like gender transitioning through online fandom spaces, and try to redefine themselves so as to be able to belong to one of these spaces - that's why when you see a friend group made up of LGBT+ people, they're always getting along very well - their identities and their relationships are tied together. If you want to see fewer people interested in transitioning gender, the single best thing you can do is include them. Give them a welcoming community, one that doesn't have barriers to entry, or a purity culture, or a focus on tribalism. People who already feel like they belong in a supportive community don't feel any desire to search for a sense of belonging online.
What you say here is very valuable advice, but it's hard to implement because of how transgender people actively alienate themselves from others and push them away. I know because I used to be one.
The idea that I have to wait for my son, who has congenital heart disease, and is technically very intelligent, and who was already taking hormones when he told us he was "trans," to gradually inch his way down from the "10" on the scale to something closer to zero not only scares the daylights out of me, but also fills me with sharp anger. Life, especially in this case, is not long enough.
Something fascinating that stood out in Ritchie Herron’s interview with Andrew was the idea of grooming within the community to serve the fetishes of others and to have additional resources to make trans pornography which is apparently a big deal. Understanding the insidious nature of those posing as LGBT “community” is a great start to keep your kids from being brainwashed.
I don't know who said this, but I think it's a great quote: "You can't reason somebody out of a situation that hasn't been reasoned into it in the first place..." Paraphrased, BTW :)
I remember Louie Thoreaux's episode where he went to talk to men who had sexual attractions to cars. It was the weirdest thing I had ever seen up until that point and gave me the creeps. Nothing really surprises me anymore now.
I'm not sure that genuinely intelligent people are drawn to cults. It could be that our society rewards people with status if they accurately regurgitate what they have been taught. So the cult member may be an academic high achiever while lacking any meaningful insight.
Jolly Heretic Dutton argues that the midwit falls for it. A midwit isn't exactly of middle intelligence. Rather, they are a few IQ points above average, but wish to think they are elite.
I can't help but agree. One of the most infuriating things I've seen Stella and Sasha do is make claims about super intelligent kids getting drawn to this. I've listened to a bunch of these young people and they're naive and superficial at every turn. If I speak to these people online they struggle to write four coherent sentences and even "gender" the thing they obsess about is something the have an incredibly superficial understanding about. They often literally copy and paste instead of thinking for themselves.
@@robertmarshall2502 The definition of intelligence is a social construct, which the teaching profession is fully embedded in. If you want to get children into therapy, you have to affirm the parents and teachers' belief that the child is special, gifted and quite possibly an autistic savant. The alternative is that the child is an easily-led simpleton who jumps to erroneous conclusions on the flimsiest of evidence, but no modern parent or teacher wants to hear that. My local school gives the 'sensitive' children ear defenders to wear, so that they won't be overwhelmed by noise in the school environment. These children have to be led by the hand of a teaching assistant wherever they go. I call that being set up for failure in real life. I do know people who are genuinely autistic, and others that are emotionally disturbed, who are intelligent, curious and self-aware. Their gender presentation is entirely ordinary. I've also met intelligent transsexuals, but not yet anyone from the gender woo crowd who could reason. When your role models are Judith Butler and Contrapoints, you're off to a bad start in that regard.
I figured highly intelligent people start cults and know the whole cult script is bullshit. However, the bullshit cult script is something that really catches on in the mind of a midwit.
In the days of "Clubs" such as for photography, I realized there was a lot of "James is the correct person to talk about that. " ... They could also be very hierarchical and you had to respect it! So now I see clubs were just watered down cults and because clubs have mostly gone, people still want a group thing and are attracted to cults.
Enjoyed this thank you🕊 Yes cults are very dangerous and really scary Especially when they are in charge of government’s We all need to aware who that are… Are we awake now🕊
Also, Stella’s remark about the loss of ritual reminded me of Yeats’s poem The Second Coming: ‘The blood dimm’d tide is loosed and all around The ceremony of innocence is drowned.’ I’m atheist but it’s such a powerful & universal metaphor.
Regarding the first question about whether belief is required in order to be influenced by these cultish beliefs and practices, Dina McMillian PhD s the person to have on this panel, as this is her area of expertise. She's written several books on the subject of manipulation as it intersects with abusive relationships. I believe she was interviewed by the Triggernometry podcast a few years ago.
I think more important than the belief is the hope and desire that the intervention will be beneficial. Hope keeps cancer patients alive longer and drives athletes to run faster, so it clearly impacts our bodies.
I’d like to hear other psychologists riff on the need for ritual, especially in young people. (The idea was introduced to me through the work of Joseph Campbell in “The Power of Myth”)
Let's see if I got this right, people with free floating anxiety will latch on to any idea, however harmful, to "anchor" their anxiety to, is that about right? In other words, "there's got to be some reason I feel so bad" is the subconscious thought, and then something presents itself, be it demons, being 'too fat', having been 'born in the wrong body' and that becomes "the reason" for their anxiety?
Love Andrew gold! We need to make you an American citizen come to the somewhat normal USA the Brit’s have seemed to completely gone off the deep end while we are finally slowly backing off of it
WPATH's SoC 8 was initially published with munimum ages for specific procedures. It was then withdrawn the ages removed and eunochs are a gender added. It seems there is a need to push and wxpand the extremities into absurdities. I believe the age limits were there because the surgeons were facing difficulties pwrforming radical surgical procedures on prepubescent penis'. But I can't help thinking, this was a case where the ideology was "stretching" its tenuous hold on reality too far such that even the surgeons were having trouble accepting it.
the eunuch chapter was in the initial publication. there was an ethics chapters and age suggestions also. Ethics chapter was removed along with ages.....
Age was removed because surgeons had already performed surgery on young children who fell below the minimum age recommendations and they didn't want that to be used in legal challenges.
What a great talk... Are the "trans allies" also part of the cult? Because if not, can we at least reach them? I'm trying to reach those people moreso, but they seem just as much in the cult as the ones who are actually transitioning... It seems hopeless that unless something directly happens to them that's bad that they'll wake up... which brings me to think women fighting against womens rights won't stop until something bad happens to them directly...
In Hong Kong flat panel TVs played a part in the anorexia problem. They stretched TV programs onto the wide screen TVs, and actresses started starving themselves, trying to still look slim when stetched out. What celebritries do, the gullible copy.
Any chance you'll put these things on a podcast so I can listen to them while I'm driving. Often that's the only spare time I've got and RUclips loves to make it difficult to download these files and change them into audio files.
Very dapper, sir 😊❤ Oh, you're so much more than the Haz 'n' Markle stuff. That's how I first heard about you (don't judge). This was very interesting.
We all have the right to believe as we do. I am sorry you couldn't, but you couldn't. I believe in a lot of phenomenon so my mind went into why couldn't it? Then after years of "spiritual investigation" I went back to full Christianity as a good way to live with a good retirement system, so to speak. If I am wrong, when I die, that will be it and I will have no thoughts regarding it. But currently it sooths my worries.
@@xhaltsalute I understand what you mean. Unfortunately, SBC and their adjacents sure don't. Sounds like Pascal's Wager arguments. Those were the most offputting arguments I ever heard from the SBC.
Anorexia in Hong Kong. Its in the book 'Crazy liker us' by Ethan Watters. Bought this after hearing Helen Joyce mention it. Readable and interesting book.
@Andrew Gold. It was Abigail Schrier in “Irreversible Damage” who first (?) made the connection with what was happening in previously unseen numbers with young women with ROGD to the anorexia social contagion in HongKong (corrected). At least, that’s where I first read about this lol
Well then, maybe God should be made more believable than anything else if Godpillers don't want to lose sheep in the flock. When people argue religion=good, I argue that the weeb and otaku should go shinto.
Being a girl, I think it is probably because our puberty is so painful, literally, and so threatening. To be 12 and thinking about sex, childbirth and childrearing is very frightening to most girls who are raised in our current society. In less 'civilized' systems they have customs welcoming girls into womanhood, and women birth their babies in front of their daughters, nieces etc. The definition of both men and women are very firm and girls are taught from wee tiny what their society roles are. Men provide and protect. Women raise the children within the home environment. Did I want that as a young woman? No! I wanted to be what I was told I could be: I could be ANYTHING I wanted to be. I appreciated the feminist teachings. I see it differently now, (68 years old). I remember feeling sorry for those people, ridiculing their ways. Now I am just not sure if I was right.
"Believe the SCIENCE!", is the exact opposite of what any actual follower of the scientific method would tell anyone. "BELIEVE" is a word a religious person would use, not an actual scientist.
I love Andrew, but his slavish dedication to the Myths of the State if Israel sadden me. I guess we cannot expect anyone to be free if all delusions. It makes me wonder where my personal delusions lie.
I don't find it surprising that 'intelligent' individuals are taken in by new concepts and ideas, even if they are clearly batshit crazy. Philosophy and social sciences are the academic disciplines that produce many ideas that can be developed to create a cultish like following. Indeed, this is how Socrates was seen, even though he wasn't the evil one. However, the powers that were in ancient Greece saw his growing influence over the youth as a 'cult' that represented a threat to the status quo. We should remember that most status quo are acceptable ones that do not require a revolution. The word "revolution" is the one word that can inspire cult followers to act badly, so the trans phenomenon is a perfect example. It makes doctors and psychiatrists to cause harm and young girls to self-mutilate.
In placebo studies... someone is given something and told "this a new medicine and will do xyz" They don't know the nurse or the medication but roughly 50% of the time it works. I think it has more to do with accepting/trusting than absolute faith. Although the stronger the trust and faith the stronger the outcome I think. In fact Andrew said that Parkinson patients who got placebos and were TOLD they got placebos STILL had improved brain scans. I think it's bc they think "well but I FELT better so maybe I just needed the sugar..." Or something like that. Experience can be a talisman like the feather in Dumbo. We can give it so much weight it takes on it's own power until something causes us to drop it
@@skylinefever agreed. I think the placebo effect just shows how important faith/belief really can be. How much more can it do if you scale up the belief?
@@annemiller8227 The point I make is that people have to lose all the cynicism and skepticism to get it, however, those things are also a defense mechanism against being conned. Other times they form naturally after being conned. People can't just switch those off when it is convenient.
@@skylinefever I agree in part. You need to be open to changes that may not be fully explained in the moment. I don't think it requires you to believe blindly in everything at all times and without question. I think that's why God gave us a brain and a willingness/ability to question and even rebel He could have made us differently but since He didn't it has to be on purpose (since God is perfect it couldn't be an oversight) So I think it is an amazing feature about our brains and I personally like the idea that while it doesn't switch on and off it can potentially be developed like a muscle so that I can choose when and how it works. Don't fall for cons but have the ability to feel better or have less suffering? Sounds like something worth pursuing... even if it doesn't have 100% success Nothing in medicine or the world in general has 100% success The pay out seems worth looking into Not everyone who experiences the placebo effect is a rube or dupe that is prey to every sales scheme known to man. If so then the placebo effect could be dismissed as plain naivety. So for me it's worth considering just being open to improvement without a concrete explanation. There's a LOT more of that in medicine than most people realize (read a medication handbook on how we understand the majority of medications work... 😆 🤣)
We consciously and intentionally incarnate into a specific gender. We all incarnate with a life purpose for which a particular gender is often beneficial or necessary. Anyone who wastes their life energy trying to change their gender and then struggles to be accepted by the world or deal with the pain and mutilation of their body will most likely miss their life purpose and be reborn with the same life purpose and gender. This is wasted life time. Dark State only promotes gender changes because it makes a lot of money from your surgeries and lifetime hormone subscriptions for the pharmaceutical industry. It's like lifelong vaccinations against your nature.
I know it'd be fairly easy to talk about patriarchy but in Argentina is kind of blatant. Especially regarding the se xualization of young women and girls.
Here’s a concise way to frame those thoughts for your friend: People often see groups that validate their feelings or offer hope as cult-like, especially when the group seems to adopt unorthodox or extreme positions. We’ve seen this with movements like MAGA, where loyalty to the group can outweigh individual interests. For trans people, it’s a bit different. Many of us grow up seeking acceptance and answers in a world that often misunderstands us. When someone-whether a professional or an ally-offers clarity or hope, it’s natural to embrace it. But that doesn’t make it a cult. Trans people are often highly introspective, grappling with our own understanding of who we are. To outsiders, steps like transitioning might seem like we’re going against our own interests, or subscribing to a “trans ideology.” But for us, these steps are about living authentically, not blindly following a movement. It’s important to separate the human experience of being trans from the broader cultural or political debates.
I think trans people live on the surface. They can not see purpose beyond the surface because they are in constant battle with the surface. If you can not accept fate and be thankful for life, then you should not expect anyone who has accepted their fate to understand you. We will always see your turmoil as shallow and self inflicted, because it is. Even if your parents groomed you to be the way you are, which all parents do, it doesn't change the cruel reality that body dysphoria is a self-inflicted disorder. The circumstances of your birth are less important than your journey through life. Being caught up on your gender identity is being stuck on "character creation" and never allowing yourself to experience the depth of your own story. It is a fabrication of what could be instead of what is. Having surgery to look like a characature of what your opposite gender looks like appears to me as a false equivalence. It is boiling a person down to a stereotype and trying to replicate it. There is no depth there. It is only just the beginning, and it's only making life more complicated.
The only person who is 100% correct on this subject is Kellie Jay Keen!!! Thes two do speak to these travestites, which is good, and arr respecrfull, which is also ok, but than they go allong with the narritive. And that is NOT ok!!!
While the perceived need for exorcisms can have a social-contagion element to them..... I found this presentation to be deeply disrespectful of indigenous cultures and animist folkways. Like....would anyone say that Christianity is a "social contagion"? Or that Buddhism is a "social contagion"?? The colonial attitude here is astounding. (I'm not necessarily endorsing this particular practice or sect that he's referring to.... but his overall attitude and dismissiveness of things like garlic, smudging, etc is what I am taking issue with)
"The colonial attitude here is astounding." What a dumb way of viewing the world. Exorcism is not indigenous to Argentina. Animist folkways were not even mentioned. You got offended by something you invented in your mind.
You're missing the point. There are clearly elements of animist folkways mixed in with this practice. And the speaker's whole attitude is like "look at the dumb people smearing herbs on their face". Garlic is used in folk magic in many cultures, and herbs are often seen as having sacred value. But his whole tone is very exoticizing. And yes, many shamanic cultures do practice things akin to exorcism, although not identical to the particular phenomenon he's describing
@@jonathanhamm219 You are comparing apples and oranges. Criticizing Christian Exorcism in a Christian country is not similar to criticizing animist rituals which literally don't enter into the video. We are also free to criticize animist rituals such as things akin to exorcism. But that literally didn't happen here. You just come across as a virtue signaller who thinks certain cultures and practices can't be judged or criticized by people of certain cultures or ethnicities. It's even dafter to consider his views "colonialist" given his specific identity politics which seem to be of importance to you. All the while you lumped in numerous groups together as "indigenous" where the thing you're defending is, if anything, something brought over by the Spanish Empire. Being dismissive of "folk magic" is absolutely fine. Why shouldn't we be able to do that? If anything the part you seem to take the biggest issue with is not specific to any particular culture and existed throughout Europe. Why can't we say that it has no scientific basis behind it etc?
I really loved being at this event. Thanks for watching everyone.
Andrew!!!! Yaaaayyyyyyy
So awesome to see you at this
Love your work Andrew! so great to see you on here! Well done!
Awww love you and love GenSpec. A total lovefest for me. I also have a lot of funny views of Argentina via being an American studying abroad in Chile. Gotta love the neighborly rivalries and stereotypes!
Thank you for being there Andrew I was really excited to here that you’d joined Genspect.
This is a great discussion and the connection to cultism is very clear. The other thing not discussed is the effect of childhood trauma (not the AGPs as they have sexual paraphilias...)
I worked at a gender clinic in San Francisco for a decade, and I knew , deep down, that it wasn’t working. The people came out more miserable than they went in. They were in the most supportive environment on earth and yet they were so unhappy. We and they were told the only reason they were unhappy with the gender affirming hormones and surgery was due to social stigma. There was no social stigma in San Francisco. They were celebrated, not just accepted. So this didn’t make sense. Even then I still repeated the narrative, and when a friends son came out as a woman, I shamed her for not being ok with this immediately. It took me many years of being away from the community to finally realize how much my friend needed to be able to grieve her sons loss, and how much I had been indoctrinated into the cult despite even seeing with my own eyes how much it wasn’t possible to do what they claimed they were able to do.
Yes, how can anyone think cutting off healthy body parts will make the mental state better?
It's a brave thing to face your own mistakes. We should be encouraging more people to really examine their beliefs
oh my! that's so sad...thanks for your honesty here in relating this.
The outcomes for trans people has always been bad. MtF trans have always had high rates of drug addiction, sex work, HIV, and domestic violence. There is a trans ethnic group in the US with a 50% HIV rate.
So no one benefits from gender medicine? Will you get like Jordan Peterson and do birth control too?
Anytime someone tells you not to ask questions - ask a LOT of questions. The truth withstands scrutiny.Deception hides from it.
Good advice.
I really enjoy Andrew’s unflappable, yet impassioned way of speaking. He is a great interviewer as well.
I follow his channel religiously, please forgive the pun.
I used to watch documentaries on female genital mutilation and wonder "how could a culture agree to do this to their children?" But here we are. I'm amazed by how dismissive people are of this issue. What's happening to the children is evil but the other thing that we always dance around is that vulnerable adults with other mental illnesses are also being exploited. It's insane.
I completely agree. I've also used FGM as a direct comparison, as a talking point on this subject. Because it really makes people look what things differently.
I needed this video. I’m an atheist and l watch atheist RUclipsrs who are extremely intelligent like Stephen Woodford and Aron Ra. I find them fascinating when it comes to dismantling religion and religious arguments. They see the cult like behavior in that. But they are blind to the way gender ideology, woke culture, and identity politics on the far left has essentially turned into one big cult. There are people are on the far left who are willing to completely cut off friends and family just for voting for Trump … and they can’t see how it’s the same thing as Religious people cutting people out/ex communicating them over whatever perceived slight or infraction that’s unacceptable for their religion/world view. It’s wild.
Sorry to disappoint you but cult and religion are not the same.
Yeah, watching the fracture of the atheist movement with atheism+ was wild, back then. You could see a video of someone pointing out all the classical fallacies used by religious people to defend their irrationality, then turn and use the exact same ones a second later to defend the most batshit feminism.
@@kbeetles I've never really heard a sensible definition of cult that would include all the things people frequently call cults but exclude every major religion - I think the best thing is what he said at 29:30, to accept 'cult' as a sliding scale that includes all sorts of social groups. Realistically though it seems to be just a word people use when they when they want to give a negative connotation to a group.
@@kbeetles But any ideology can have cultists pushing it, be it religious or secular. Because it is about how human nature is. We used to have religions as moral ideologies. Now we have secular moral systems. The ideologies changed...the human brain mechanisms when it comes to defending them have stayed pretty much the same.
@@kbeetles they are extremely close really only very small differences
Thank you everyone at Genspect and Andrew Gold ❤
Well, when one's only ambition in life is to change their gender, yes, we have serious issues as a society.
The driving force behind transgenderism is the need to feel important, to be special and to be celebrated.
Thank you Stella and Andrew, another interesting conversation
My post-grad was in ritual and ceremony, and the psychological importance of marking various stages in the life trajectory. We have lost so much in such a short period of time, and our culture is the poorer for it.
I think that is really important. From my own experience, the only time I was celebrated was when I got married. It was an important factor in deciding to marry.... You can guess how unhealthy that was
That sounds absolutely fascinating is there a way to access it?
I wonder if the depersonalized, sanitized way funerals are treated in the modern society has a negative impact on people. Actually I don´t wonder "if", but rather how big the negative impact is. Instead of digging the grave and handling the dead family member we call a service which does the unpleasant work for us.
But I burried all of my dead pets in the wood or in a "community" garden. I can´t imagine giving them to some strangers to burry them, and then just throw some flowers on the grave. But we are doing exactly that with people who passed away.
I've noticed humour is an important device for sounding out ideas. It's a gentle way of suggesting the way something is being perceived might not be quite right.
Andrew’s sense of humor is phenomenal. It is part of why I love his material.
Verrry interesting and informative. I'm almost 40 and female and in my young teens while going through puberty I suffered immensely. Not only of physical pain menstruating but such bad emotional pain that I could feel it physically. I wailed and cried at times and just, ugh... it's so hard and feeling like you're possessed by an evil spirit isn't an understatement.
I grew up and went on antidepressants and got better but it wasn't easy. I also woke up to a lot of the corruption in things like the sugar industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the govt. industries, hollywood, etc. pre-covid and when I started seeing this Trans stuff popping up I knew exactly what it was but I couldn't place my finger on it exactly. I fought against it with my friends and family, mostly on social media and I kept saying "I went through this, this isn't how you deal with it!" They laughed at me for the most part because obviously I didn't actually go through it the way they are going through it now but I knew that the kids who are suffering aren't suffering with gender issues and DO NOT NEED gender re-assignment! This video does a good job of helping me understand why I was correct all those years ago.
the goal is normalizing pee dough behavior - -
As a man I might be way off but I feel like this stuff lifted the lid for me on how many different ways the medical industry has been trying to medicalize basically being female. It's led me to other areas like the downsides of the pill and issues with menopause medication as well as how women who become surrogates are subjected to a barrage of invasive procedures. It really worries me as someone who works in education what teen girls might be thinking about perfectly normal or manageable issues.
Here's more of my story if you're curious for how you can help the teen girls in your classes. And thank you for caring about this issue!!!
@@KonynXoXo My experience as a tangential man has been that in literally every case the pill was prescribed they told the girl/woman near nothing about it, it felt like they basically tricked her in order to prevent teen pregnancy, it had a negative impact on hormones/mood/libido and it resolved when they came off it.
I also got the distinct impression they sneered at the idea of teaching girls/women about their bodies or dealing with puberty/life by being informed and finding other ways to go through natural processes. They made them feel stupid for asking questions that the "professional" often couldn't answer.
Coincidentally your comment made me feel better about buying my fiancée a hot water bottle for her birthday. So thanks. I agree that we need to go back to common sense and natural measures. We are far too overmedicated as a society. Particularly in regards to natural processes.
@@robertmarshall2502 spot on
Thanks again Andrew. I love your work. I grew up in a family cult (like a lot of kids). I was gaslit and programmed to not have needs, such as: not allowed to have feelings (different to my mother), not to be seen as a burden on my parents (by having an illness or emotional needs), and not being allowed to be or show confidence (as my mentally disabled sibling would shame me and get violent as that was seen as being "up yourself"). Being female was also a problem as my father was a minsogynst. Despite this and many other things like alcoholism, violence, financial abuse, parentification etc etc, I "wasn't allowed to leave" or say anything that might show that some of my parents decisions weren't the best. I always felt and knew that something was wrong...initially I thought it was all me. Then my low key chronic health problems became acute. Long story short. I woke up. I went no contact with all my family. It wasn't anything a therapist said to me as often they invalidating or downplayed my experiences anyway so I stopped going. Plain old physical health issues. I realised only I am responsible for my health...my parents weren't magically going to turn around and start to care. A massive shock. But after about 5 years of inner and outer work, and no contact, I am better, more aware, I see through gaslighting, and I am less panicky.
Ah yes good old fashioned "Family Values"(TM Pending). So sorry you experienced this.
I was watching the latest Exorcist movie over Halloween. I don't find The Exorcist scary, basically because it seems like the worst the devil can do in those movies is possess some adolescent girls to terrorize their families. And then it became clear to me that all the demon possession movies were basically about the terror of raising girls going through puberty and I was laughing through the rest of the horror film because once I saw it I couldn't unsee it. I was later talking to my Roman Catholic husband who can not tolerate exorcism movies and was terrified of them and I explained the whole girls going through puberty angle to him and he said that I took all of the fear of them from him with that framing and even asked to watch The Exorcist with me.
On that note, we do have a tween girls on the cusp of puberty...
On a more serious note, I really think the counseling profession needs to start teaching students about social contagions, culture bound syndromes, and to try to be on the look out for the next one to prevent us from going down this path again. As Andrew so rightly points out you see this in different cultures over and over again.
See also 'Carrie'.
Yes, it would be good for young people to be aware of social contagion, but at a more basic level they should be taught to think critically - as I was, in school, back in the 1970s. They should question everything - not in an arrogant or disruptive way, but by keeping in mind that teachers or preachers who sound very sure of themselves may in fact be wrong.
Psychology itself is not immune to believing and perpetrating cult like ideologies. Something to be aware of.
I used to describe myself as Reagen when I started going through puberty so seeing this comment makes a lot more sense!! The Exorcist is such a great film and it's disappointing how many people refuse to watch it when it's such an important film
I'd like to have some opinions of the therapists who diagnosed adult, married men as "transsexuals" and did any of them do what my now ex-husband's therapist did? That is, did you tell the wife she needs to learn how to use various kink equipment and "watch special videos." Because she did that. In my data on 64 trans widows, that is a thing, a trend, this recommendation of "erotic, p-word" imagery to then imitate. They must admit and acknowledge they did this. And still do this. Because it is ritual manipulation and coercive control. Behind the Looking Glass at LIme Soda Films RUclips channel. Genspect, please do a commentary on Behind the Looking Glass. There is a great deal of information to be derived from trans widows, because we know their modes.
Humiliation...
How awful. I hope they will dedicate some time to this topic.
I'm so sorry to hear that
What is this “erotic p word” imagery someone is imitating? That sentence isn’t quite making sense.
@@yossarian67 p o r n That word gets comments deleted.
You all are literally describing the repressed memory (related to the "Satanic panic") movement that took hold during the late 80s/early 90s. My sister & I were both victims of this insanity, led by the mental health profession. After all these years, she still believes it. I woke up when, after a couple of years of being away from his influence, I saw my psychologist's notes that just didn't match up to my reality in any way. Trans mania hits very close to home to me because it mirrors that movement almost exactly. It was so destructive- our family never fully recovered - but at least I still have all my body parts. What's happening now is terrifying, and very very dark.
Remember when young teenagers would get a boyfriend / girlfriend, experience "puppy love", walk around holding hands, get some special attention from said boyfriend / girlfriend, instead of heading down the path of transition.
Thanks
The comment re anorexia by the audience member actually answered the question - anorexia is a great example of social contagion AS WELL AS being about trauma + body dysmorphia + trauma...much like trans...and also exorcism...and group s u i c i d e in youth...and cults...
I remember well in the early 1990s when anorexia was a big thing, just entering my consciousness as family friends would talk about their daughters battle against anorexia & bulimia, it was in the air at the time & a big talking point, now not so much but Trans is everywhere, it's in the schools, the office, the health services, the police, judiciary, Media ...
Trans ideology is everywhere and it's very hard to fight against, even though its foundations are built on nothing more than sand !! Strange then how it's got such a tight grip on the Anglosphere, or maybe its not so strange, as like all cults and contagions we as humans are susceptible to such things until it slowly fades away .....
Witchcraft or talking to the dead (séanse) in Victorian times would have been predecessors to the Trans contagion.
@@author4you443 Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria - it's disputed but I actually think there's something in it... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria_controversy
@@author4you443 If it was just the Anglosphere, there wouldn't be the rapid onset eating disorder of Hong Kong.
Whenever I hear some person claim a social ill affects only white and western, I point to several eastern countries with similar problems.
Great to see Andrew here...he's such a good guy...his heart is after truth..
I love Stella. She’s a rock of sense and much respected here in Ireland.
I grew up in the 1950-1970's, and I confidently believe that if they had been born 50 years sooner, many of the young people today who believe themselves to be "trans" would be "inviting Jesus into their lives", being "born again", seeking "baptism in the Holy Spirit", speaking in tongues, praying for healing etc, etc. Like Andrew I see so many parallels.
Thank you Stella for everything you do
Stella and Andrew thank you for all your good work and knowledge.
And which conditions are characterised by free floating anxiety? ADHD and Autism Spectrum Disorder. BINGO!
OCD, cluster b personality disorders, etc
Well done all. This is why I like conferences like this, because they provide many different angles to look at things. It's not just a big affirmative echo.
Superb, more of this please!
I love you for making this talk and making it publicly available here.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Thank you Genspect, thank you Andrew gold, keep up the good
Great chat. The parallels are so clear
It's more than just this idea of intervention. The most common story I've seen of people questioning their gender identity has been the result of a search for belonging - they're people who struggle to fit in with more typical peer groups, who discover ideas like gender transitioning through online fandom spaces, and try to redefine themselves so as to be able to belong to one of these spaces - that's why when you see a friend group made up of LGBT+ people, they're always getting along very well - their identities and their relationships are tied together.
If you want to see fewer people interested in transitioning gender, the single best thing you can do is include them. Give them a welcoming community, one that doesn't have barriers to entry, or a purity culture, or a focus on tribalism. People who already feel like they belong in a supportive community don't feel any desire to search for a sense of belonging online.
What you say here is very valuable advice, but it's hard to implement because of how transgender people actively alienate themselves from others and push them away. I know because I used to be one.
Good to hear more about the cultish aspects of gender ideology
The idea that I have to wait for my son, who has congenital heart disease, and is technically very intelligent, and who was already taking hormones when he told us he was "trans," to gradually inch his way down from the "10" on the scale to something closer to zero not only scares the daylights out of me, but also fills me with sharp anger. Life, especially in this case, is not long enough.
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Are you lucky enough to be in one of those cases where medicalisation is not already a reality?
And tell me to f off if it's too personal
Beautiful dress, Stella. It makes you look really classy.
Stella's got legs! Ooow!
I LOVE the women of Genspect! I follow them on RUclips and appreciate all the research and knowledge on the topic of gender.
Something fascinating that stood out in Ritchie Herron’s interview with Andrew was the idea of grooming within the community to serve the fetishes of others and to have additional resources to make trans pornography which is apparently a big deal. Understanding the insidious nature of those posing as LGBT “community” is a great start to keep your kids from being brainwashed.
I don't know who said this, but I think it's a great quote: "You can't reason somebody out of a situation that hasn't been reasoned into it in the first place..." Paraphrased, BTW :)
It's by Ben Goldacre (who speaks out against bad science and bad medicine in particular). I agree that it's a great quote!
@@anth080 Thanks, was wondering who said that, now I know😃
and let me add, the whole psychoanalytic tradition... It's a tradition to be rescued because urgently relevant to current concerns.
Excellent talk!! Thank you 😊
I remember Louie Thoreaux's episode where he went to talk to men who had sexual attractions to cars. It was the weirdest thing I had ever seen up until that point and gave me the creeps. Nothing really surprises me anymore now.
I remember that too. Freaky!!
I'm not sure that genuinely intelligent people are drawn to cults. It could be that our society rewards people with status if they accurately regurgitate what they have been taught. So the cult member may be an academic high achiever while lacking any meaningful insight.
Jolly Heretic Dutton argues that the midwit falls for it. A midwit isn't exactly of middle intelligence. Rather, they are a few IQ points above average, but wish to think they are elite.
Precisely this!
I can't help but agree. One of the most infuriating things I've seen Stella and Sasha do is make claims about super intelligent kids getting drawn to this. I've listened to a bunch of these young people and they're naive and superficial at every turn. If I speak to these people online they struggle to write four coherent sentences and even "gender" the thing they obsess about is something the have an incredibly superficial understanding about. They often literally copy and paste instead of thinking for themselves.
@@robertmarshall2502 The definition of intelligence is a social construct, which the teaching profession is fully embedded in. If you want to get children into therapy, you have to affirm the parents and teachers' belief that the child is special, gifted and quite possibly an autistic savant. The alternative is that the child is an easily-led simpleton who jumps to erroneous conclusions on the flimsiest of evidence, but no modern parent or teacher wants to hear that.
My local school gives the 'sensitive' children ear defenders to wear, so that they won't be overwhelmed by noise in the school environment. These children have to be led by the hand of a teaching assistant wherever they go. I call that being set up for failure in real life.
I do know people who are genuinely autistic, and others that are emotionally disturbed, who are intelligent, curious and self-aware. Their gender presentation is entirely ordinary. I've also met intelligent transsexuals, but not yet anyone from the gender woo crowd who could reason. When your role models are Judith Butler and Contrapoints, you're off to a bad start in that regard.
I figured highly intelligent people start cults and know the whole cult script is bullshit. However, the bullshit cult script is something that really catches on in the mind of a midwit.
Way to go, Andrew. Great conversation.
This is so great! What a great vibe.
Well done Andrew 😊
In the days of "Clubs" such as for photography, I realized there was a lot of "James is the correct person to talk about that. " ...
They could also be very hierarchical and you had to respect it! So now I see clubs were just watered down cults and because clubs have mostly gone, people still want a group thing and are attracted to cults.
Enjoyed this thank you🕊
Yes cults are very dangerous and really scary
Especially when they are in charge of government’s
We all need to aware who that are…
Are we awake now🕊
Stella and Andrew featuring a Helen Joyce cameo. Quite an interesting, pleasant conversation. Thanks a lot, guys.
Some of my favorite people in the trans critical space!
Love Andrew - he’s insightful, fearless, funny & clever (but not too clever obviously 😉)
Great to see him at Genspect!
Also, Stella’s remark about the loss of ritual reminded me of Yeats’s poem The Second Coming:
‘The blood dimm’d tide is loosed and all around
The ceremony of innocence is drowned.’
I’m atheist but it’s such a powerful & universal metaphor.
This has been a real eye-opener. Illuminating & interesting & entertaining.
I’m such a fan of these two beautiful humans. 🖤🫶
Regarding the first question about whether belief is required in order to be influenced by these cultish beliefs and practices, Dina McMillian PhD s the person to have on this panel, as this is her area of expertise. She's written several books on the subject of manipulation as it intersects with abusive relationships. I believe she was interviewed by the Triggernometry podcast a few years ago.
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I think more important than the belief is the hope and desire that the intervention will be beneficial. Hope keeps cancer patients alive longer and drives athletes to run faster, so it clearly impacts our bodies.
Amazing host and amazing Andrew!
It's true the word "palpably" COULD fit where and when he says it, but I really think his mind is searching for the word "patently".
I got to your comment just as he said that. Perfect timing!
I absolutely love your dress Stella, you look stunning.
Fascinating interview!
I’d like to hear other psychologists riff on the need for ritual, especially in young people. (The idea was introduced to me through the work of Joseph Campbell in “The Power of Myth”)
Let's see if I got this right, people with free floating anxiety will latch on to any idea, however harmful, to "anchor" their anxiety to, is that about right? In other words, "there's got to be some reason I feel so bad" is the subconscious thought, and then something presents itself, be it demons, being 'too fat', having been 'born in the wrong body' and that becomes "the reason" for their anxiety?
This was very interesting.
i love this boy, God bless
Love Andrew gold! We need to make you an American citizen come to the somewhat normal USA the Brit’s have seemed to completely gone off the deep end while we are finally slowly backing off of it
He and Kistin. They are welcome.I love Francis, too.
WPATH's SoC 8 was initially published with munimum ages for specific procedures. It was then withdrawn the ages removed and eunochs are a gender added.
It seems there is a need to push and wxpand the extremities into absurdities.
I believe the age limits were there because the surgeons were facing difficulties pwrforming radical surgical procedures on prepubescent penis'.
But I can't help thinking, this was a case where the ideology was "stretching" its tenuous hold on reality too far such that even the surgeons were having trouble accepting it.
the eunuch chapter was in the initial publication. there was an ethics chapters and age suggestions also. Ethics chapter was removed along with ages.....
Age was removed because surgeons had already performed surgery on young children who fell below the minimum age recommendations and they didn't want that to be used in legal challenges.
What a great talk... Are the "trans allies" also part of the cult? Because if not, can we at least reach them? I'm trying to reach those people moreso, but they seem just as much in the cult as the ones who are actually transitioning... It seems hopeless that unless something directly happens to them that's bad that they'll wake up... which brings me to think women fighting against womens rights won't stop until something bad happens to them directly...
Yep, they are.
In Hong Kong flat panel TVs played a part in the anorexia problem. They stretched TV programs onto the wide screen TVs, and actresses started starving themselves, trying to still look slim when stetched out. What celebritries do, the gullible copy.
Any chance you'll put these things on a podcast so I can listen to them while I'm driving. Often that's the only spare time I've got and RUclips loves to make it difficult to download these files and change them into audio files.
Even the -Japan- Hong Kong mistake just proves how hard it is for human brain to abandon an idea which already settled in it.
Very dapper, sir 😊❤ Oh, you're so much more than the Haz 'n' Markle stuff. That's how I first heard about you (don't judge). This was very interesting.
Appreciate ya. Thanks for sharing.
I love how she says "Filim" :)
26:38 that is not an evangelical church but a charismatic church
I think about how I couldn't "Just believe in Jesus" because the Southern Baptist Convention tried to get me to. I couldn't not doubt it.
We all have the right to believe as we do. I am sorry you couldn't, but you couldn't. I believe in a lot of phenomenon so my mind went into why couldn't it? Then after years of "spiritual investigation" I went back to full Christianity as a good way to live with a good retirement system, so to speak. If I am wrong, when I die, that will be it and I will have no thoughts regarding it. But currently it sooths my worries.
@@xhaltsalute I understand what you mean.
Unfortunately, SBC and their adjacents sure don't.
Sounds like Pascal's Wager arguments. Those were the most offputting arguments I ever heard from the SBC.
Anorexia in Hong Kong. Its in the book 'Crazy liker us' by Ethan Watters. Bought this after hearing Helen Joyce mention it. Readable and interesting book.
Yey! Andrew Gold
@Andrew Gold. It was Abigail Schrier in “Irreversible Damage” who first (?) made the connection with what was happening in previously unseen numbers with young women with ROGD to the anorexia social contagion in HongKong (corrected). At least, that’s where I first read about this lol
She certainly was not the "first" to see this - many people did, and have been watching this for over twenty years.
It's REQUIRED ATTENTION, not being received the right way!
'When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything" G K Chesterton
I disagree, I think they find something to believe in.
Well then, maybe God should be made more believable than anything else if Godpillers don't want to lose sheep in the flock.
When people argue religion=good, I argue that the weeb and otaku should go shinto.
I like his stuff ta
Love the suit Andrew! This was a very interesting concept. How people (girls) can be swayef so easily
Being a girl, I think it is probably because our puberty is so painful, literally, and so threatening. To be 12 and thinking about sex, childbirth and childrearing is very frightening to most girls who are raised in our current society. In less 'civilized' systems they have customs welcoming girls into womanhood, and women birth their babies in front of their daughters, nieces etc. The definition of both men and women are very firm and girls are taught from wee tiny what their society roles are. Men provide and protect. Women raise the children within the home environment. Did I want that as a young woman? No! I wanted to be what I was told I could be: I could be ANYTHING I wanted to be. I appreciated the feminist teachings. I see it differently now, (68 years old). I remember feeling sorry for those people, ridiculing their ways. Now I am just not sure if I was right.
"Believe the SCIENCE!", is the exact opposite of what any actual follower of the scientific method would tell anyone. "BELIEVE" is a word a religious person would use, not an actual scientist.
I love Andrew, but his slavish dedication to the Myths of the State if Israel sadden me. I guess we cannot expect anyone to be free if all delusions. It makes me wonder where my personal delusions lie.
Intelligence and common sense, rarely go together.
Came here from X for the comment and like engagement. You'll beat Stella yet!
Louis Theroux was not that great a journalist he let jimmy savile off the hook
See Boenhofer's theory to understand how seemiingly smart people can be so stupid
I don't find it surprising that 'intelligent' individuals are taken in by new concepts and ideas, even if they are clearly batshit crazy. Philosophy and social sciences are the academic disciplines that produce many ideas that can be developed to create a cultish like following. Indeed, this is how Socrates was seen, even though he wasn't the evil one. However, the powers that were in ancient Greece saw his growing influence over the youth as a 'cult' that represented a threat to the status quo. We should remember that most status quo are acceptable ones that do not require a revolution. The word "revolution" is the one word that can inspire cult followers to act badly, so the trans phenomenon is a perfect example. It makes doctors and psychiatrists to cause harm and young girls to self-mutilate.
This must be a hot mic take!
Being born in to a cult is different
In placebo studies... someone is given something and told "this a new medicine and will do xyz"
They don't know the nurse or the medication but roughly 50% of the time it works.
I think it has more to do with accepting/trusting than absolute faith.
Although the stronger the trust and faith the stronger the outcome I think.
In fact Andrew said that Parkinson patients who got placebos and were TOLD they got placebos STILL had improved brain scans.
I think it's bc they think "well but I FELT better so maybe I just needed the sugar..."
Or something like that.
Experience can be a talisman like the feather in Dumbo.
We can give it so much weight it takes on it's own power until something causes us to drop it
The placebo effect is real and awesome.
The placebo effect is important, and there needs to be something so that the cynical skeptics can get it.
@@skylinefever agreed. I think the placebo effect just shows how important faith/belief really can be. How much more can it do if you scale up the belief?
@@annemiller8227 The point I make is that people have to lose all the cynicism and skepticism to get it, however, those things are also a defense mechanism against being conned. Other times they form naturally after being conned. People can't just switch those off when it is convenient.
@@skylinefever I agree in part. You need to be open to changes that may not be fully explained in the moment.
I don't think it requires you to believe blindly in everything at all times and without question. I think that's why God gave us a brain and a willingness/ability to question and even rebel
He could have made us differently but since He didn't it has to be on purpose (since God is perfect it couldn't be an oversight)
So I think it is an amazing feature about our brains and I personally like the idea that while it doesn't switch on and off it can potentially be developed like a muscle so that I can choose when and how it works.
Don't fall for cons but have the ability to feel better or have less suffering?
Sounds like something worth pursuing... even if it doesn't have 100% success Nothing in medicine or the world in general has 100% success
The pay out seems worth looking into
Not everyone who experiences the placebo effect is a rube or dupe that is prey to every sales scheme known to man. If so then the placebo effect could be dismissed as plain naivety. So for me it's worth considering just being open to improvement without a concrete explanation.
There's a LOT more of that in medicine than most people realize (read a medication handbook on how we understand the majority of medications work... 😆 🤣)
We consciously and intentionally incarnate into a specific gender. We all incarnate with a life purpose for which a particular gender is often beneficial or necessary. Anyone who wastes their life energy trying to change their gender and then struggles to be accepted by the world or deal with the pain and mutilation of their body will most likely miss their life purpose and be reborn with the same life purpose and gender. This is wasted life time.
Dark State only promotes gender changes because it makes a lot of money from your surgeries and lifetime hormone subscriptions for the pharmaceutical industry. It's like lifelong vaccinations against your nature.
1:19 A fast car is more dangerous than a slow car lol
You looked very handsome!
"It's Hong Kong!" is the new
"It's MA'AM!!"
Mmmm very worrying about White Hart Lane cult.
I’m a true believer,can’t get it out my head…
I know it'd be fairly easy to talk about patriarchy but in Argentina is kind of blatant. Especially regarding the se xualization of young women and girls.
Here’s a concise way to frame those thoughts for your friend:
People often see groups that validate their feelings or offer hope as cult-like, especially when the group seems to adopt unorthodox or extreme positions. We’ve seen this with movements like MAGA, where loyalty to the group can outweigh individual interests.
For trans people, it’s a bit different. Many of us grow up seeking acceptance and answers in a world that often misunderstands us. When someone-whether a professional or an ally-offers clarity or hope, it’s natural to embrace it. But that doesn’t make it a cult.
Trans people are often highly introspective, grappling with our own understanding of who we are. To outsiders, steps like transitioning might seem like we’re going against our own interests, or subscribing to a “trans ideology.” But for us, these steps are about living authentically, not blindly following a movement. It’s important to separate the human experience of being trans from the broader cultural or political debates.
I think trans people live on the surface. They can not see purpose beyond the surface because they are in constant battle with the surface.
If you can not accept fate and be thankful for life, then you should not expect anyone who has accepted their fate to understand you. We will always see your turmoil as shallow and self inflicted, because it is. Even if your parents groomed you to be the way you are, which all parents do, it doesn't change the cruel reality that body dysphoria is a self-inflicted disorder.
The circumstances of your birth are less important than your journey through life. Being caught up on your gender identity is being stuck on "character creation" and never allowing yourself to experience the depth of your own story. It is a fabrication of what could be instead of what is.
Having surgery to look like a characature of what your opposite gender looks like appears to me as a false equivalence. It is boiling a person down to a stereotype and trying to replicate it. There is no depth there. It is only just the beginning, and it's only making life more complicated.
This conversation could benefit a lot from studying Rene Girard.
I've never heard this name. Can you explain why you think he's useful/what he's known for?
Cults = utopias? No way..... scify in the past on the other hand is utopian without the obvious downsides, Babylon 5, star trek, stargate
The only person who is 100% correct on this subject is Kellie Jay Keen!!!
Thes two do speak to these travestites, which is good, and arr respecrfull, which is also ok, but than they go allong with the narritive. And that is NOT ok!!!
While the perceived need for exorcisms can have a social-contagion element to them..... I found this presentation to be deeply disrespectful of indigenous cultures and animist folkways. Like....would anyone say that Christianity is a "social contagion"? Or that Buddhism is a "social contagion"?? The colonial attitude here is astounding. (I'm not necessarily endorsing this particular practice or sect that he's referring to.... but his overall attitude and dismissiveness of things like garlic, smudging, etc is what I am taking issue with)
"The colonial attitude here is astounding." What a dumb way of viewing the world.
Exorcism is not indigenous to Argentina.
Animist folkways were not even mentioned. You got offended by something you invented in your mind.
You're missing the point. There are clearly elements of animist folkways mixed in with this practice. And the speaker's whole attitude is like "look at the dumb people smearing herbs on their face". Garlic is used in folk magic in many cultures, and herbs are often seen as having sacred value. But his whole tone is very exoticizing.
And yes, many shamanic cultures do practice things akin to exorcism, although not identical to the particular phenomenon he's describing
@@jonathanhamm219 You are comparing apples and oranges.
Criticizing Christian Exorcism in a Christian country is not similar to criticizing animist rituals which literally don't enter into the video.
We are also free to criticize animist rituals such as things akin to exorcism. But that literally didn't happen here. You just come across as a virtue signaller who thinks certain cultures and practices can't be judged or criticized by people of certain cultures or ethnicities. It's even dafter to consider his views "colonialist" given his specific identity politics which seem to be of importance to you. All the while you lumped in numerous groups together as "indigenous" where the thing you're defending is, if anything, something brought over by the Spanish Empire.
Being dismissive of "folk magic" is absolutely fine. Why shouldn't we be able to do that? If anything the part you seem to take the biggest issue with is not specific to any particular culture and existed throughout Europe. Why can't we say that it has no scientific basis behind it etc?
Dude, what’s your obsession with gender?