If you don’t use suspended mounts. For example like Pearl 7/8 th tube just pull back the Tom arm to the edge of Tom holder. You get better sustain. Then the arm going through the shell all the way in. Big difference I saw the reveal on a drummer name Rob he uses a Yamaha drum. He used a ( gig marker ) Tom a low end drum by Yamaha it made a difference.🥁
I really couldn't hear much difference in the tom with and without the suspension mount. However, with the mount screwed directly to the drum, it sounded to me like it had LESS sympathetic resonance when you struck the other tom mounted to the same stand! I've actually removed the suspension mounts from the toms on some of my kits in past, because frankly, they added a lot of unnecessary bulk and weight to the drums. And I couldn't tell a lick of difference in the tone before vs. after removing them.
The difference was minimal. A bit more resonance on the shock mounted one. I have a Sonor Force 2001 with shell mounts. They seem to sound fine. I plan to put rubber inserts just like on the SQ1, it uses a rubber bushing that borrows from BMW technology. Perhaps a rubber insert would capture a similar effect. I have read in a discussion forum that studio pro's used to put rubber inserts for toms in the 70s to get more resonance from toms. From your video the difference was minimal. But in your experience was there a big difference ?
Hello, sir. I'm sorry that I haven't seen your question before now, and therefore have not answered. In the room when I played the drum, the difference was almost unhearable. At least to me, but maybe someone with better ears can hear more difference. And the irony in wanting more sustain in the drums, is that FOH always ask if I would mind a little gaffa on the head to shorten the sustain (and also unwanted ringing). So personally I wouldn't bother with expensive mounts, but just have a bracket mounted directly in the shell. I would probably have some rubber isolation, but not for sustain.
@@MrSonorbakken Excellent video. This is one of the most revealing and honest videos Ive ever come across that concerns drum resonance and isolation mounts.
Great video, thanks! It's funny because some companies that sell third party isolation mounts brag about how !uch better toms sounds with their mounts on but none of them has a video like the one you did, which surely would be the easiest way to prove the superiority of their suspension mount. Always seemed fishy to me.
From experience, ive found that suspension mounts make much more difference when the tom is mounted on the kick, regardless if youre using an L arm style or Pearl 7/8 tube style arm on a kick drum mounted tom mount bracket. For example…Theres a HUGE difference in resonance and tone between the older pearl export toms that have the mounts directly into the shell vs the exports with even the ISS mounts. I also found out on my own kit that if you have to mount the bracket directly onto the shell, to use very thick rubber gaskets on the outside and inside of the shell for each mounting screw/nut, and itll have the same affect as using a suspension mount.
Yup. I had the same experience with my Pearl BLX toms. The tom mounts were bolted on the shells. I put on the RIMS system tom mounts and it was insane. So much sustain. It was like night and day, especially on the small toms.
If you don’t use suspended mounts. For example like Pearl 7/8 th tube just pull back the Tom arm to the edge of Tom holder. You get better sustain. Then the arm going through the shell all the way in. Big difference I saw the reveal on a drummer name Rob he uses a Yamaha drum. He used a ( gig marker ) Tom a low end drum by Yamaha it made a difference.🥁
I really couldn't hear much difference in the tom with and without the suspension mount. However, with the mount screwed directly to the drum, it sounded to me like it had LESS sympathetic resonance when you struck the other tom mounted to the same stand! I've actually removed the suspension mounts from the toms on some of my kits in past, because frankly, they added a lot of unnecessary bulk and weight to the drums. And I couldn't tell a lick of difference in the tone before vs. after removing them.
The difference was minimal. A bit more resonance on the shock mounted one. I have a Sonor Force 2001 with shell mounts. They seem to sound fine. I plan to put rubber inserts just like on the SQ1, it uses a rubber bushing that borrows from BMW technology. Perhaps a rubber insert would capture a similar effect. I have read in a discussion forum that studio pro's used to put rubber inserts for toms in the 70s to get more resonance from toms. From your video the difference was minimal. But in your experience was there a big difference ?
Hello, sir. I'm sorry that I haven't seen your question before now, and therefore have not answered. In the room when I played the drum, the difference was almost unhearable. At least to me, but maybe someone with better ears can hear more difference.
And the irony in wanting more sustain in the drums, is that FOH always ask if I would mind a little gaffa on the head to shorten the sustain (and also unwanted ringing). So personally I wouldn't bother with expensive mounts, but just have a bracket mounted directly in the shell. I would probably have some rubber isolation, but not for sustain.
@@MrSonorbakken Excellent video. This is one of the most revealing and honest videos Ive ever come across that concerns drum resonance and isolation mounts.
Great video, thanks! It's funny because some companies that sell third party isolation mounts brag about how !uch better toms sounds with their mounts on but none of them has a video like the one you did, which surely would be the easiest way to prove the superiority of their suspension mount. Always seemed fishy to me.
From experience, ive found that suspension mounts make much more difference when the tom is mounted on the kick, regardless if youre using an L arm style or Pearl 7/8 tube style arm on a kick drum mounted tom mount bracket. For example…Theres a HUGE difference in resonance and tone between the older pearl export toms that have the mounts directly into the shell vs the exports with even the ISS mounts. I also found out on my own kit that if you have to mount the bracket directly onto the shell, to use very thick rubber gaskets on the outside and inside of the shell for each mounting screw/nut, and itll have the same affect as using a suspension mount.
Yup. I had the same experience with my Pearl BLX toms. The tom mounts were bolted on the shells. I put on the RIMS system tom mounts and it was insane. So much sustain. It was like night and day, especially on the small toms.
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