Is Nidoking the BEST Pokemon in Pokemon Red/Blue?
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- Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2022
- Edited by: SimplyAJ ( / simplyaj )
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Rules and Explanations
Rules: (1) Only use the one Pokémon in Battle, others for HMs are fine. (2) No Items in battle (3) No Glitches* (4) Set Mode (5) No saving in the Elite Four (6) No evasion moves
Badge Boost "Glitch" Explanation: When you collect odd numbered badges the game boosts a stat by 12.5%. Brock gives ATK, Surge DEF, Koga SPE, and Blaine SPC (in game text is wrong). When any of your stats are modified (even by you using a move like Withdraw, or your opponent using Leer) the badge boosts are re-applied. So If you use Swords Dance, you also gain *an additional 12.5% in Speed/Defence/Special (on top of the 12.5% you were supposed to be getting). When you level up, the game corrects this error, and only the non-glitch 12.5% remains. Because of how difficult it is to avoid, I've allowed for it to be exploited, since opponents will spam Leer/Growl anyways, and this way battles are less random. Red/Blue are extremely buggy, so there's always going to be some glitches present, and because of how unavoidable this one is, it is allowed in runs, and considered more like a special Generation 1 mechanic as opposed to a glitch. 
Игры
Out of all the solo runners, you have the best commentary and pacing, by a mile. Thanks for the hours of entertainment Jrose.
Really?
I find him part of a trio of good solos.
Scott's thoughts
Vanman
Jrose
The order isn't who is better, I just like how the names look going down.
I agree. I like Scott's Thoughts as well, and even though he's even more knowledgeable, JRose just has the commentary that makes it more interesting to tune in
@@LunarWingCloud and the color pallete changes are huge, makes almost every video unoque
@@LunarWingCloud
We'll have to agree to disagree as I like all of their commentary.
Though I will say this, Vanman is a bit unique as he wants discussions in his chat and for people to make guesses on how much time it will take.
@@BertKreisinger
Each solo poketuber has their own unique style and always brings something interesting to the table.
Which is why I like each of them equally.
Nidoqueen and Nidoking being able to use Bubblebeam and Surf but not Dig has always been a complete head scratcher. Gen 1, you crazy diamond.
Just like Charizard can't learn fly...
Jojo reference
@@luckyg8 ??
@@luckyg8David Gilmore reference kid
Can't Nidoran and and Rino/a learn it though?
I was amazed at the move pool diversity when I first tried Nidoking.
Went to teach a pokemon Surf and was blown away when Nidoking could learn it lmao
Same I was shocked as a kid when I learned that it can surf
yeah surprised he didn't teach it surf over say body slam
I never used King more than once and wasn't impressed at all by him.
Went with Queen as she is my favorite.
King requires items to be useful to Speedrunners.
Vanman did a king vs. Queen run and without cheap item uses by Speedrunners Queen was proven to be better in R&B.
While Scott proved without items king is slightly better in yellow.
@@gamermanzeake
Watch Vanman's video where he does a direct comparison between Queen and King during his Vs. video on them.
Edit:
Just finished the video and even Jrose said Queen is better.
@@ab-mi9vf
Wouldn't that be like dead wight though since HMs cannot be forgotten until G3?
Really digging the palette changes to match the Pokémon! GB games but purple looks soooo good
If you liked this, check out his video on Nidoran M/F. Definitely the best video in the series from a palette PoV. The transition from female to male (and vice versa) is so satisfying.
This month has been pretty magical so far. Thanks for the videos and your hard work, Jrose!
Hard work? Playing Gameboy emulator? Lol
@@jimmicrackhead12
There is more than that going on.
There is editing, scripting, quality checks, ect.
Or do you think everything just magically becomes a video?
@@valor1omega 😴
@@valor1omega you believe that is hard work too? Lol
@@jimmicrackhead12 sounds like real crackhead talk 😂😂
It's kind of appropriate Nidoking/Queen have such wide movesets, being Kaiju-inspired mons that aren't primarily based on one real-world animal like Rhydon. And Kaiju are known for sporting all kinds of energy attacks. Hence the wide special coverage. Heck, all six Nidos keep their names in every language (the Gen I French localiser says this was a reflection of them not being a direct real-world analogue).
but rhydon can learn surf too
@@shadowthepuzzled because it can Rhydon the waves
@@Sacpleuweuwsplendid
They be Horned Moon Rabbits
It may not have been quite the speed run king that it is with in-battle items, but there's no denying Nidoking's move pool diversity and balanced stats carried it far here. Kind of funky to have a Pokémon place this high without a single setup, status or stat-altering move (give or take status conditions off Thunderbolt or Ice Beam). Feels like a main game play through, just optimised. Gives it a different feel from most runs on here! Thanks once again, JRose!
Nidoking is my favorite Pokemon of all time alongside Magmar, always part of my team. Thanks for this.
Ah kinda like for me Queen is my favorite and always on my team.
@@valor1omega I like to do Poison-only so the queen fight alongside the king everytime
Magmar, i see a Man of culture here :)
What I love about your commentary is that even though it's a prerecorded and edited video you feel the excitement in your voice when something goes well
Nidoking was one of the very first pokemon I ever remember having in a pokemon game (Red). My first attempt at a playthrough was more or less a test run. Nidoking looked so cool when I was nine years old.
I didn't even finish my first playthrough.
It's the king
you know, it would be interesting to have an "evolution line" run one of these days, something like start with dratini and evolve it during play all the way to dragonair, to see which line has the best transition through out the game.
Ah yes, I am deeply familiar with this Speedrun, only with a lvl 100 Nidoking right after losing my save because I set up an ACE instruction wrong. It's so much fun to break RBY.
A performance fitting of royalty indeed. While it's always fun to see some of the more technical/strategic aspects of a run, it's also fun to just watch something forego any set up and power through by hitting everything really hard every once in a while.
Boom! Our Boi! NIDOKING!
Has alway been my favorite pokemon. He just looks so badass
@@sirotekmontero2978
I like Queen better.
Vanman proved Queen is just better in an itemless run.
From what I am gathering your boi sucks without items.
I'm loving these!
Super-hoping to see a Marrowak run; there's a chance that it'll be worse than Onix.
- Speed is worse
- No setup
- No rock moves
- Bone Club is it's only attacking move for early game (aside from TMs), and it's terrible.
Misty is going to be painful.
Lorelei is going to be painful.
Gyarados is a nightmare.
To beat Gyarados, Onix relied on outspeeding it and one-shotting with Rockslide.
Marrowak might have to rely on outspeeding and one-shotting with Body Slam.
Even if you bank on Gyarados missing with hydropump, you still have to deal with the fact that Marrowak is base 45 speed and no access to the badge boost glitch.
The Gen 1 type effectiveness messages actually aren't random. The game has an ordered checklist of different type checks and you just get whichever one comes last on that list. So it's totally predictable which message you'll get when you know the types involved.
While you're correct, the fact it's an ordered checklist that is completely arbitrary and results in showing the wrong information as often as not means it might as well be random.
Nothing is actually gained from it being an ordered checklist, really. But yeah, not random.
@@aduboo29 Considering Dragon versus Dragon is at the very start, it's most likely order the type matchups were added, just reversed.
You're right, I know that because Jrose explained it in a previous video. I'm guessing he's simplifying things for viewers.
I used him as a kid because I thought Thrash was OP but Nidoking's movepool is actually bonkers.
Thrash is pretty OP by Gen I standards. 90 BP is technically the strongest Normal move with 100% accuracy and no recoil damage, and getting 180-270 BP out of a single PP is really handy in casual runs when you fight a lot more Pokémon! 😁
nidoking is the most versatile for sure.
in gen one he can learn bubble beam, surf, thunderbolt, thunder, rock slide, ice beam, blizzard, fire blast, earthquake and more making him a all-in-one mon.
and his movepool only increased with later gens.
Only watched up to the Brock section yet, but when JRose get to her, Nidoqueen may be closer to Nidoking relative to the gap between the two Nidorans. Her starting moves includes Body Slam (only 5 Base Power weaker than Thrash in Gen I, worth the confusion trade-off) and Tail Whip, which both gives something to wait out Onix's Bide and up damage output. I anticipate Nidoqueen getting past Brock quicker and holding that lead for a while, and while she will fall behind later on, as being 9 Speed and 10 Atk weaker is less of a hinderance relative to comparing the same for first-form Pokémon, I wouldn't be surprised if she was very close to Nidoking. Certainly less than the 2 levels less and 35 minutes less Nidoran-Male had on his feminine counterpart. Maybe even better!
EDIT: Oh well, the Maestro anticipates this and notes it at the end, of course he does. Understandably not wanting to do the two so close together, makes sense. Thinking Nidoqueen has a reasonable chance of being better, off her identical Special which is what more attacks come off of… yeah, I could see that. Can't wait!
Nidoking is my favorite pokemon.
In yellow version I had a team of all or maybe just 5 nidokings.
Used all my moonstones going for greatness
Speedrunners can also use the Pokédoll on the ghost Marowak, gain instant text speed from the bike shop, and dig in buildings since those things are oversights where the mechanics are just working as normal, even if not intended since they forgot to write code to stop it. They also manipulate their health to skip the level-up jingle which is about on par ethically with using badge-boost glitch in that they're generally unavoidable during regular play, so they may as well be used. This stuff is always fascinating to me. The Jrose rules seem like a happy medium.
I mean Jrose does use the dig in buildings from time to time. That's just a bonus feature, not a bug. A feature tragically removed from Yellow.
When did instant text speed become allowed?
My only exposure to the speed run is SummoningSalt, and that glitch is explicitly identified and noted as not allowed.
@@kaptainKrill its been allowed pretty much since it was found out far as I remember. There is a second category that doesnt use it but its less popular since its basically just the same run but 2 mins longer
@@kaptainKrill no major glitches
i can't wait for the starmie run, I am thinking the physic with the speed will be killer
The only potential problem I see with Nidoqueen is that it's slower, so I don't know that you'll be outspeeding the Alakazams as consistently.
I just remembered the 5 full heals per pokemon and the bide... wow, Brock *is* a lot harder for Nidoking than I first thought.
Yellow it learns double kick earlier
if the run started with nidoran instead of king it would be easier since nidoran learns double kick at level 12.
after he evolves to nidorino at level 16 you can give it the moon stone from mt moon and have nidoking befor misty.
the move tutors befor cerulean city also teach mega punch and mega kick which nidoking can both learn as replacements untill ge gets thrash (around level 20 if i remember correctly).
I like the Rival/Player name duo for this one. Liberty being King's rival is a real good touch!
In case anyone is wondering, the speedrun uses Brock to switch train their Nidoran with Squirtle's help.
nidoran learns double kick at level 12 tho.
so it would make more sense to train it up quickly to fight brock and take him out without having to rely on other mons.
@@uteriel282 Only in Yellow version. Nido's learn Double Kick at like level 40 something in Red and Blue.
Very pumped to see this run. I predict Nidoking to be in the third tier in the tierlist. It's movepool is very vast. Wish it had sheer force and life orb set available in gen 1 haha
King did okay, Queen is still better ;)
Its* movepool
@@valor1omega I think that lower speed might be a big problem
"It's like a discount version of the move Outrage... which wouldn't be introduced until Gen 2."
Fun fact: Outrage had 90 base power for a while before it got buffed to 120 base power in Gen 4. Even Outrage back then *was* the discount version too!
You're doing an awesome job with these vids. I love watching your content. It has nostalgia, new strats, comedy, and charisma. I know it's a lot of work to put out this many vids but it's been a blessing!
I just want to thank you for all the time and effort your putting into these videos. I and many others have thoroughly enjoyed these.
The amount of content lately is crazy, good thing I subbed so I don't miss any of it. Nidoking was always a beast for gen 1
Should be interesting.
Vanman proved that The Queen is better in r/b
Scott proved king was a tiny bit faster in Y.
So I am looking forward to seeing Jrose take on King.
Edit:
Just finished the video and it looks like Jrose came to the same conclusion where Queen is better.
By the way this was a fun video just as always.
Well done!
One of my favorite parts of JRose’s videos is that he starts off by asking “how’s it going.” It’s so simple, yet makes me feel like he cares. It’s a great way to start the day when I watch these videos in the morning.
Hope you’re doing well Jrose watcher, we care for you too
Gonna be really interested to see the outcome of this one. Nidoking’s main advantage in speedrun’s won’t be available due to X Accuracy, but it still has an amazing movepool and very balanced stats. I think it’ll be pretty solid overall.
The other advantage of Nidoking in speed run is that you can get a final form pokemon at level 16 before Misty.
All Pokemon doing this challenge start in their final form.
suprisingly good
I'm pretty sure most of us that have played Red and Blue have gone through the initial excitement of training a Nidoking, and the wave of disappointment when we realized it can't learn dig, one of the best potential STABs in the game lol
I have really been enjoying your videos. I have found myself looking forward to your videos every day this month
That was cool to see.
I know you specifically have stopped doing the count impression to avoid it becoming an expected thing, but I could practically hear it during the Blaine fight. "1, 2, 3 earthquakes, ha ha ha"
This month of jrose is ruining me
I'm actually having thoughts like "It's already been 23 hours since the Nidoking video. When is my next hit?"
I'm not gonna deal well with it when you go back into the badge boost cave
This one might be a few hours late, some tech issues.
@@Jrose11no worries man! Must be very taxing to get all of these out.
@@Jrose11 Take the amount of time that is healthiest for you
Hope your okay JRose! Look after yourself man, you're a genuine treasure! I fall asleep to your videos every night, my favourite content creator by miles!
@@Jrose11 NOOO. You release these vids at roughly 11pm my time, i got used to them, i use them to sleep, feed my kids, wake my kids, . HOW CAN I LIVE WITHOUT THEM. You monster
Keep up the great work my guy. And goodnight.
I'm refreshing my subbox like every couple minutes hoping Jrose uploaded his video for today.
I have been doing the same lol.
This is…. Sad
The wait will be worth it. Give me another few minutes!
Hey when you are bored and can't find anything to do, but know something you will enjoy will come up soon it happens
I need to go to work Jrose, just commenting and liking will watch later, it's too late for Aussies to watch off the bat, but I've been watching them all!
Been waiting for my favorite pokemon on a JRose run for YEARS, LET'S GO!!!
Nidoking and Nidoqueen are both very cool Pokémon. Thanks for all the videos this month! You’re doing a great job.
I really love the runs you do of the Pokémon games. As a long time enjoyer of the series it makes me want to go back and play some of the older games with restrictions. Also led me to do some of my favourite playthroughs either a monotype team or random team runs keep up the great content
You keep getting better and better at making these videos. This is such a good channel.
Loving the colour schemes bro, nice work ✌️✌️
I LITERALLY ASKED FOR THIS LAST VIDEO IM SO HAPPY THANK YOU J ROSE
16:45
And I love it every single episode.
The colors are always on point. I came for the content but stayed for the colors.
I was waiting for this run for a long time. Looks like a short one too!
Hope you and the family had a great holiday Jrose. here's to another year of great content
Great job Jrose and keep up the amazing work
Jrose, i dont even watch these anymore. I listen to them... I crank a playlist of you and just have you whisper sweet nothings into my ear while I work. Its so relaxing.
Ah yes, Nidoking. My favorite non-starter from gen 1. I always got a nidoran male in the grass left of viridian.
Waiting for the daily video has been one of my favorite parts of each day.
pretty happy that you want to make pokemon stadium vids, huge part of my childhood same goes to colosseum and gale of darkness
I have watched a LOT of videos and smile and chuckle every time you get to the ledge and hop over it. Loved it LONG before you started talking about it 😂
Jrose you are amazing dude. Love watching all your amazing videos. Keep up the good work and keep slaying these runs
A new video everyday 😄. That's what I love to see. Keep it up man.
very nice video as always! keep up the great work
Amazing run! Short and sweet run. Can't wait for the Farfetch'd run!
Noticed the color change this time! Keep up the good content!
Such a good month seeing a new j rose almost every time I open RUclips! Hell yeah🎉
Really enjoying these daily vids!
23:37 Classic Blastoise cowering in fear in the last minute and guaranteeing the victory, I missed that
FINALLY!!!! Nidoking has been my absolute favorite Pokemon in Generation 1, just really strong but also super versatile with a huge move pool. Was my ace during Radical Red. Have been waiting for this video so very much enjoying this, thank you so muchhhhhhh for another awesome video @jrose (watched every single one of videos in your channel already
That stinger at the end is tantalising. Great video. I knew Nidoking was pretty strong but had never rated it like this.
I like your commentary as much as I like you using my favorite mon of all time... And you get a good time.
Excited for nidoqueen, it was always one of my carry pokemon as a kid alongside kadabra and blastoise, it's got an amazing movepool, evolves early, is very bulky but just good enough offensively to make use of the movepool.
Bro I watch all of you're videos, I'm not even going to lie. I hope you end up becoming the largest pokemon RUclips. I absolutely love your content. Thanks for the nostalgia bro
Love this, keep up the great work
Well I was hoping for this one tomorrow on my birthday but close enough it’s an early present, my staple Pokémon of Gen 1. This video definitely gets the stamp of approval definitely!
Great month so far, only video i haven’t watched is the Scarlet/Violet video because i’m getting it for Christmas. Love it all, enjoy seeing it all.
I'm hoping for a Starmie video soon. I do actually believe she can tie with Blastoise and compete for 1st place against Alakazam
@@Sletchman even with Misty being a bit challenging and Surge being problematic, I think the fact that she's pretty fast will make the difference here. Most of the early game AI is pretty dumb, specially Surge. And Bubblebeam early is nothing to scoff at
been waiting for nidoking for so long. Finaly its time, thanks ❤❤
Hell yes!!! Long live Jrose and his pokemon challenges!!! Day 9
I always used to Pick up a Nidoran early on when playing R/B/Y, he is a cool Mon and you can teach him just about everything
So excited for this. My favourite Pokemon.
Excellent job on the color and excellent run, enjoyed it, thanks
I remember back in the 90s reading in a “Prima’s Official Pokémon Guide to Red/Blue” that you could get Mew using a Nidoking: train a Nidoking to lv100, go talk to a Team Rocket Grunt at the Game Corner, give him your awesome Nidoking (the guide’s exact words) and he’ll give you so,e keys to the truck parked near the S.S Anne, move the Truck and find Mew!” I am so very grateful I was too lazy to attempt this one! But I pity any poor kid who did try 😅😅😅
Thanks for all the great videos Jrose and go hug your animal friends all 💙🐱💙
I feel like that lower base Speed might result in Nidoqueen struggling against some Alakazams.
Nidoking really shows itself when it doesnt require any sort of badge boost glitch to make it through.
Not even badge boosts, it didn't even need setup moves.
Your pace this month is so hype... But keep some Red/Blue for the future. I want your Red/Blue solos to last forever :D
"We're through with Red/Blue!" would be a bad christmas gift ;)
"No now let's see how different it is in Yellow! Let's start again with bulbasaur..."
@@MijmerMopper Didn't play it ;)
But he could do Red/Blue again and place restrictions.. E.g:: "Can't use the TM that saved the run first time around."
;)
But doing yellow before that would make sense :D
Thanks for response! Keep making videos. Can't wait for murkrow!
Welcome to the pokémon league. Ahead is the Elite 3 and Bruno.
Literally couldn't care less if you did 5 magikarp runs in a row for different generations so im absolutely voting for nidoqueen next :😀
This is to much information but your videos really help me help me distract myself from really bad thoughts especially when I drink. Just thanks and keep doing what you are doing unless you don't want to.
Loving the month of Jrose11 🎉 keep’em coming 😊
Great video! I remember playing back in '99, none of my friends knew where to find a male Nidoran so early in the game. Some nonfrens call Cozy a hack or cheat, this was back before everyone had internet and game guides were $12 or $15, then a lot of money to a 10 year old.
Thanks for doing this, it's a leap down memory lane mi fren.
Also, for reference, there's a particular set of movements you need to do for the Red speedrun to get the right Nidoran for the run besides the item usage, so not having a near-perfect/perfect Nido is another handicap that didn't really matter in the end. :P
19:32 ledge boss is top 5 most interesting bosses in these runs
I had a feeling when you said "The king" in your previous run! Let's goooo
Oh I hope you do a Nidoqueen run, that sounds interesting! No one ever really talks about her so I would honestly love if she did better than the king.
Always loved nidoking, thanx JRose keep up this gen1
I've waited so long for this. Nidoking is one of my favorite pokemon
I think, once you're done with all 151 pokemon solo runs, it would be amazing to see how you would do a jrose speedrun with the normal game and if you could beat the game faster then starting with Mewtwo, a rerun with all the things you've learned with you're number 1 pokemon to see how fast you could finish compared to the first time, and a video showing all the glitches and bugs you've learned/know about in the game (BBG number 1 glitch obviously). I would also love to see if you would enjoy a run with the level 100 Gengar/Nidoking/whichever pokemon you pick that you can glitch into the game in the forest and just destroy everything in your path (maybe as an April fool's video). Love the videos and keep up the amazing work!
based af jrose tons of uploads lately. thanks dude
Hahaha great callout @SimplyAJ at 11:13, good to see you guys having some fun
I have watched at least 50 of these runs now. Never disappointed
I always liked Nidoking its slow to start but becomes a tank once your up and running.
of the 100's of hours of rbyg ive played, ive never heard of the super effective not effective bug and you have cleared up a lot of childhood confusion.
The color of the game is amazing I feel like it’s looked so nice the last couple of runs idk if it’s been that way and I’m just now noticing or what but this is awesome 👏
Yes this is the one I've been waiting for! I've speedrun Blue a couple of times and I have been curious to see how my boy Nidoking would do without the aid of X items.