From what I understood, Thomas Cromwell’s biographer found no evidence of this. I agree that Cromwell saw Anne Boleyn as an enemy. Ultimately, it was Henry who wanted to get rid of Anne to marry Jane. Cromwell happily followed orders. Eustace Chapuys who was no fan of Anne Boleyn, said that the charges against Anne were false. That trial was a huge miscarriage of justice perpetrated by Henry himself. The dates of the “affairs” did not match up. As I understand, more people were not convinced by these charges. They just couldn’t speak up otherwise, they may lose their heads too. Once she was executed most people knew that an innocent woman was executed. Henry’s haste In marrying Jane Seymour was distasteful in court and throughout the world.
@@jeffmode6526 Karma came for him. His execution was botched. He helped Henry erase Anne but it was all for not. Elizabeth I became England’s greatest monarch. Queen Elizabeth II is a decedent of Mary Boleyn. William and Harry are decedents of Mary Boleyn from both of their mothers and grandmother. You gotta love karma.
Cromwell was certainly Henry’s man, but he also needed to checkmate his sworn enemy, Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk and Anne’s uncle. That meant making sure the Howard family lost any influence on Henry. Ann was collateral damage. She’d had priests condemning Cromwell, she wanted to support colleges with the money from the monasteries but Cromwell and Henry were making too much money to give that up. And the Duke of Norfolk had promised to crush Cromwell . No, Cromwell had all the motivation in the world to make sure Anne died.
I dont think Anne had done what she was accused for, but I think it was the only way Cromwell could save his own neck, and by playing what made the King most furius, he had to walk the line with lies and evil accusations. Anne was not kind, she was an oppertunist to the core, and she was to blame for Catherine of Aragons sad destiny, so I think Anne in the end got what she gave, Cromwell was just the tool to let it happen. I have never seen their marriage as a love story, I think it was a naive passioned King, who simply took what pleased him, and Anne was the right pick, because her goals were status and titles. She had the King in waiting because he desired her, and she knew that, the same old story played out through history. Anne was to smart to make mistakes, but she was not aware of Cromwell deep hate for her, and that ended her life. She was educated and had good manners, but her lust for power and influence, gave her goals away, because she ignored her enemies, and that was the fuel they needed to make a deadly fire.....
I wouldn’t call Henry naive in this situation. I think he enjoyed the chase and once he had started was determined to claim his “prize “. They both played a game and there could only be one winner.
This is an excellent video. I love the art worked used. I too believe Cromwell could not have brought Anne down without the Kings cooperation and consent. I am in no doubt that Henry resented Anne's interference in his policies and the fact that she hadn't given birth to a longed-for son, compounded his resentment. There is an error in the narration. The May Day Joust was held on 1 May not as stated the first day of March 1536.
Anne’s mistake was in thinking her hold on the King was solid. She was mistaken in overestimating her hold of love she held over him.Exactly, she was totally not stupid enough to risk any scandal of adultery she might have done. She was very experienced in the manipulations, gossip and political diabolical machinations and self serving that existed in the court atmosphere. She was a member of the French court for a long time. She underestimated Henry’s disloyalty and how selfish and self serving he set forth in his motives for a son. The betrayal, sense of being thrown away like trash, the lies and conspiracy against her, and need to wipe away her existence through the worst means trumped up must have made her almost hysterical inside her… that was mean and monstrous , what he did by insisting she die, and killing three more innocents with her do that Cromwells lies would have credibility. What a heartless gang of egomaniacs!
Anyone else find it ironic that Anne miscarried their son on the day of Catherine of Aragon’s funeral? I believe it was their karma for their treatment of Catherine
Connie Anne was following Henry he pitted woman against one another look at his daughters no a miscarriage is not Karma its a tragedy Catherine of Aragon had several I do not think she would wish that sorrow on anyone even her rival
Mark Smeaton was never the queens musician, he was the kings musician and lived in the kings household. Anne was never alone with him anywhere any time and the one time he played for her in her bedroom there were many other visitors present and the king was in his chamber below.......but Smeaton did try to worm his way into the queen's inner circle but was rebuffed by Anne.
From the minute Catherine died Anne came under increasing pressure to produce a son. High-strung and insecure, she seemed unable to control her jealousy or temper. Her husband had his eye on other women and when Anne, looking to shore up her confidence as a still-attractive woman, flirted publicly with members of the King’s inner circle, she gave Cromwell the evidence he needed. The King was in love with Jane Seymour. Anne had grown thin and worn-looking. Cromwell was entirely the King’s man and he hated the Howard family. The people had no love for Anne. Her trial was entirely corrupt and a foregone conclusion. Just another page in the horror story that was HENRY VII.
@@annwilliams6438 Thank you. No one knew how to handle Henry. Jane Seymour wisely kept her mouth shut and died while he was still in love with her. Did you know Jane’s brother Thomas married Henry’s last wife , Catherine Parr who also died in childbirth. I don’t blame Elizabeth for wisely never getting married. It is my theory she wanted to end the Tudor line to spite her father who had her mother killed for failing to produce a male heir.
How she got him (lies, affair) was how she lost him (lies, affair). Funny thing, Jane was given a letter to be in the King's chamber. She sent it back, unopened.
Cromwell might have done away with Queen Anne, but then after Anne of Cleaves, Thomas Cromwell lost his head in a most horrific manner, the executioner botched it badly. And a few hundred years later his descendent got the family's revenge upon a King. Oliver Cromwell having King Charles I executed for his suppose treason against the people of England. Then Cromwell enforced the beliefs he held dear on all the people until they truly hated him and wanted a true King to rule over them once again.
Were there other European royal houses that went through this crap? Can't imagine if there were, that they would spend this much time airing it out in public.
Honestly y'all are disgusting saying she deserved her head separated from her body just because how she treated Catherine of Aragon ofc I know how terrible she treated Catherine of Aragon but THAT DOES NOT MEAN SHE GET BEHEADED JUST FOR THAT doesn't matter if you like her or not or favour another wife it's cruel and disgusting to say that what I saw is that the charges against her were false Cromwell just said a bunch of lies because the king ordered him to find a way out of his marriage with Anne Boleyn. And remember DO NOT put the wives against each other Henry is the real villain here.
Thomas Cromwell said he was told by Henry to get rid of her. The Boleyn family had painted themselves into a pro France corner. The King of France refused to allow Elizabeth to be betrothed to his son.
Pretty sure it's Anne, look up the drawings of Hans Holbein Junior and you will see his other tudor sketches. Most of Anne's protraits where distroyed after her execution, so it has made identifying her image more difficult.
I love your episodes, but I do wish you’d ask how names are pronounced before recording these. Your information is too good to detract it with incorrect pronunciations. ❤️
It’s pretty common with historical videos. I think the person just picks a topic and read up on it but aren’t immersed in that topic. It bugs me a little but I ignore it since I figure they have some other topic they really know so aren’t sure of how to say the names
Leticia Garcia even if this is all true about Cromwell I still believe Henry could have stopped it he wanted it done I do not buy that he was blin to any of it not saying this narration is a lie its probably tu but Henry was in power and if he had said no it would not have happened she would not have been convicted nor killed had Henry not wanted it done because she as this video said would not ignore his affairs the way Catherine of Aragon did especially when she caught him with Jane Anne confronted them that also contributed to her miscarriage or stillbirth as I have heard both . However bare in mind some biographers want to make their subjects look the best possible
I think that we make too many assumptions about Anne Boleyn’s personal motivations. Did she really *want* to be Queen. How can we *know* the inner feelings of someone whom we have never met/ Of course it’s fun to speculate, but to assume… well we should know what that leads to. I for one given her situation may not have acted too dissimilarly. A young woman in love with someone else, bright, would I be really interested in launching myself into that hot mess of Hernry’s court? I’d hold off as long as possible too, despite pressure from my family and flattering gifts. Then having been pressured into that life unasked for, I’d damn well try to make the best of it, and be furious if, after all that, I was then discounted and fobbed off by my so called husband! ‘Unqueenly’, wouldn’t come close!’ Sometimes I just wish we would try to see though someone else’s eyes. Times change, people don’t.
Nothing. Justice is not served. It’s nice to believe that, but in reality, some people just get away with treating people so cruelly in life, and their victims lived with torment until their final breath. It is truly tragic, but we can be thankful that enough people felt empathy to not allow such terrible actions to take place again. It is no longer common practice is what I’m trying to say.
Прошли века, но ничего не изменилось в вашем королевстве. Как врали нагло, так и продолжают подтасовывать факты в угоду себе, наплевав на совесть. Естественную сестринскую любовь к брату превратили в прелюбодеяние и разврат и осекли голову невинному человеку, а сейчас..... Скрипали, ручки, лавочки, Литвиненко и т.д. Тошнит от всего этого.
She was a woman in a man’s - and a king at that - world. Henry is to blame. Not Anne. He certainly proved this was his modus operandi throughout his life
Anne would have preferred to have married Sir Percy, but when the King goes after you, you do whatever you can to protect yourself… The only one of his wives that went after HIM, was Jane Seymour with the backing/pushing of her brothers.
@@annwilliams6438Yet she was his favorite wife and she didnt went after him she had no choice she was a well known virgin unlke whoreboleyn who played hard to get
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From what I understood, Thomas Cromwell’s biographer found no evidence of this. I agree that Cromwell saw Anne Boleyn as an enemy. Ultimately, it was Henry who wanted to get rid of Anne to marry Jane. Cromwell happily followed orders. Eustace Chapuys who was no fan of Anne Boleyn, said that the charges against Anne were false. That trial was a huge miscarriage of justice perpetrated by Henry himself. The dates of the “affairs” did not match up. As I understand, more people were not convinced by these charges. They just couldn’t speak up otherwise, they may lose their heads too. Once she was executed most people knew that an innocent woman was executed. Henry’s haste In marrying Jane Seymour was distasteful in court and throughout the world.
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Well said👏
Cromwell covered his back. ANNE WAS EXECUTED. HE LATER
WAS BROUGHT OUT TO THE BLOCK WHERE HE WAS EXECUTED.
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Karma came for him. His execution was botched. He helped Henry erase Anne but it was all for not. Elizabeth I became England’s greatest monarch. Queen Elizabeth II is a decedent of Mary Boleyn. William and Harry are decedents of Mary Boleyn from both of their mothers and grandmother. You gotta love karma.
Cromwell was certainly Henry’s man, but he also needed to checkmate his sworn enemy, Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk and Anne’s uncle. That meant making sure the Howard family lost any influence on Henry. Ann was collateral damage. She’d had priests condemning Cromwell, she wanted to support colleges with the money from the monasteries but Cromwell and Henry were making too much money to give that up. And the Duke of Norfolk had promised to crush Cromwell . No, Cromwell had all the motivation in the world to make sure Anne died.
Really enjoying your videos. You voice is amazing and perfect for listening.
love the imagery in the video! excellent content as always!
Thank you so much for this video! It’s great!
I dont think Anne had done what she was accused for, but I think it was the only way Cromwell could save his own neck, and by playing what made the King most furius, he had to walk the line with lies and evil accusations.
Anne was not kind, she was an oppertunist to the core, and she was to blame for Catherine of Aragons sad destiny, so I think Anne in the end got what she gave, Cromwell was just the tool to let it happen.
I have never seen their marriage as a love story, I think it was a naive passioned King, who simply took what pleased him, and Anne was the right pick, because her goals were status and titles.
She had the King in waiting because he desired her, and she knew that, the same old story played out through history.
Anne was to smart to make mistakes, but she was not aware of Cromwell deep hate for her, and that ended her life. She was educated and had good manners, but her lust for power and influence, gave her goals away, because she ignored her enemies, and that was the fuel they needed to make a deadly fire.....
Adultery, yes. Treason, yes. Incest? Tall order. She was guilty of something, mostly being flirty with most men.
I wouldn’t call Henry naive in this situation. I think he enjoyed the chase and once he had started was determined to claim his “prize “. They both played a game and there could only be one winner.
@@CocoCece08 Absolutely not! Don’t tell me you believe Henry’s lies!
This is an excellent video. I love the art worked used.
I too believe Cromwell could not have brought Anne down without the Kings cooperation and consent. I am in no doubt that Henry resented Anne's interference in his policies and the fact that she hadn't given birth to a longed-for son, compounded his resentment.
There is an error in the narration. The May Day Joust was held on 1 May not as stated the first day of March 1536.
Anne lso would sit quietly by while he carried on with other women mainly Jane
It's disgusting how Henry believed his own lies.
The man was delusional.
Much like DT
@@sfguidry1959 He’s out of office now. Move on.
@@sfguidry1959 There's always one 🙄
So glad to have found your channel
I bet she was rethinking her life choices in the end.
When you play the Game of Thrones, you play to win.
Anne’s mistake was in thinking her hold on the King was solid. She was mistaken in overestimating her hold of love she held over him.Exactly, she was totally not stupid enough to risk any scandal of adultery she might have done. She was very experienced in the manipulations, gossip and political diabolical machinations and self serving that existed in the court atmosphere. She was a member of the French court for a long time. She underestimated Henry’s disloyalty and how selfish and self serving he set forth in his motives for a son. The betrayal, sense of being thrown away like trash, the lies and conspiracy against her, and need to wipe away her existence through the worst means trumped up must have made her almost hysterical inside her… that was mean and monstrous , what he did by insisting she die, and killing three more innocents with her do that Cromwells lies would have credibility. What a heartless gang of egomaniacs!
Anyone else find it ironic that Anne miscarried their son on the day of Catherine of Aragon’s funeral? I believe it was their karma for their treatment of Catherine
That and I found it very ironic that how Anne Boleyn got Henry VIII is how she lost him. She was a mistress, what did she expect was gonna happen?
Connie Anne was following Henry he pitted woman against one another look at his daughters no a miscarriage is not Karma its a tragedy Catherine of Aragon had several I do not think she would wish that sorrow on anyone even her rival
Mark Smeaton was never the queens musician, he was the kings musician and lived in the kings household. Anne was never alone with him anywhere any time and the one time he played for her in her bedroom there were many other visitors present and the king was in his chamber below.......but Smeaton did try to worm his way into the queen's inner circle but was rebuffed by Anne.
From the minute Catherine died Anne came under increasing pressure to produce a son. High-strung and insecure, she seemed unable to control her jealousy or temper. Her husband had his eye on other women and when Anne, looking to shore up her confidence as a still-attractive woman, flirted publicly with members of the King’s inner circle, she gave Cromwell the evidence he needed. The King was in love with Jane Seymour. Anne had grown thin and worn-looking. Cromwell was entirely the King’s man and he hated the Howard family. The people had no love for Anne. Her trial was entirely corrupt and a foregone conclusion. Just another page in the horror story that was HENRY VII.
Totally yes. Nice summary.
@@annwilliams6438 Thank you. No one knew how to handle Henry. Jane Seymour wisely kept her mouth shut and died while he was still in love with her. Did you know Jane’s brother Thomas married Henry’s last wife , Catherine Parr who also died in childbirth. I don’t blame Elizabeth for wisely never getting married. It is my theory she wanted to end the Tudor line to spite her father who had her mother killed for failing to produce a male heir.
Absolutely....! Completely agree! Queen Elizabeth Tudor was playing the long game. One of a kind truly.
How she got him (lies, affair) was how she lost him (lies, affair). Funny thing, Jane was given a letter to be in the King's chamber. She sent it back, unopened.
The Day Fake Justice took the Stage on the Royal Green👁
Cromwell might have done away with Queen Anne, but then after Anne of Cleaves, Thomas Cromwell lost his head in a most horrific manner, the executioner botched it badly. And a few hundred years later his descendent got the family's revenge upon a King. Oliver Cromwell having King Charles I executed for his suppose treason against the people of England. Then Cromwell enforced the beliefs he held dear on all the people until they truly hated him and wanted a true King to rule over them once again.
Were there other European royal houses that went through this crap? Can't imagine if there were, that they would spend this much time airing it out in public.
Honestly y'all are disgusting saying she deserved her head separated from her body just because how she treated Catherine of Aragon ofc I know how terrible she treated Catherine of Aragon but THAT DOES NOT MEAN SHE GET BEHEADED JUST FOR THAT doesn't matter if you like her or not or favour another wife it's cruel and disgusting to say that what I saw is that the charges against her were false Cromwell just said a bunch of lies because the king ordered him to find a way out of his marriage with Anne Boleyn. And remember DO NOT put the wives against each other Henry is the real villain here.
Slight mistake at 11:26: should be 1st day of May not March. Enjoying the videos 👍
Thomas Cromwell said he was told by Henry to get rid of her. The Boleyn family had painted themselves into a pro France corner. The King of France refused to allow Elizabeth to be betrothed to his son.
Are we sure the sketch in the beginning (the black and white)is Anne?
Pretty sure it's Anne, look up the drawings of Hans Holbein Junior and you will see his other tudor sketches. Most of Anne's protraits where distroyed after her execution, so it has made identifying her image more difficult.
I think that the black and white drawing pictures the same woman as the drawing at 15:06.
I love your episodes, but I do wish you’d ask how names are pronounced before recording these. Your information is too good to detract it with incorrect pronunciations. ❤️
It’s pretty common with historical videos. I think the person just picks a topic and read up on it but aren’t immersed in that topic. It bugs me a little but I ignore it since I figure they have some other topic they really know so aren’t sure of how to say the names
I can never really have sympathy for Anne. She together with Henry wrecked Henry's marriage with Catherine.
As Camilla did to Princess Diana.
Ugh, she didn’t even want to marry Henry. Henry chased her to the point she was finally caved in and had to marry him for it all to stop.
@@amour6102THANK YOU!
Leticia Garcia even if this is all true about Cromwell I still believe Henry could have stopped it he wanted it done I do not buy that he was blin to any of it not saying this narration is a lie its probably tu but Henry was in power and if he had said no it would not have happened she would not have been convicted nor killed had Henry not wanted it done because she as this video said would not ignore his affairs the way Catherine of Aragon did especially when she caught him with Jane Anne confronted them that also contributed to her miscarriage or stillbirth as I have heard both . However bare in mind some biographers want to make their subjects look the best possible
Both Anne Boleyn and Thomas Cromwell received their just desserts in the end.
Don’t try to frame this as karma. The devil himself lived on. His subjects, even nobles, danced to his pipe. Put the blame where it justly belongs
@@ladythalia227 Thank you!!
I think that we make too many assumptions about Anne Boleyn’s personal motivations.
Did she really *want* to be Queen. How can we *know* the inner feelings of someone whom we have never met/
Of course it’s fun to speculate, but to assume… well we should know what that leads to.
I for one given her situation may not have acted too dissimilarly.
A young woman in love with someone else, bright, would I be really interested in launching myself into that hot mess of Hernry’s court?
I’d hold off as long as possible too, despite pressure from my family and flattering gifts.
Then having been pressured into that life unasked for, I’d damn well try to make the best of it, and be furious if, after all that, I was then discounted and fobbed off by my so called husband! ‘Unqueenly’, wouldn’t come close!’
Sometimes I just wish we would try to see though someone else’s eyes. Times change, people don’t.
Would love to know the afterlife of Henry VIII...
I hope that he is in a very, very hot place. 🔥
He's spending eternity in a very,VERY warm climate.
Nothing. Justice is not served. It’s nice to believe that, but in reality, some people just get away with treating people so cruelly in life, and their victims lived with torment until their final breath. It is truly tragic, but we can be thankful that enough people felt empathy to not allow such terrible actions to take place again. It is no longer common practice is what I’m trying to say.
In the end, Karma was a bitch to Cromwell.
She did not want to be a nother mistress to the King like her sister many others
If you want to be seen as an historical voice, you need to stop pushing your own theories.
She's not pushing her own theories. She's telling it like it was!
And her voice is beautiful.
Elizabeth I is one of the greatest queens in English history.
Прошли века, но ничего не изменилось в вашем королевстве. Как врали нагло, так и продолжают подтасовывать факты в угоду себе, наплевав на совесть. Естественную сестринскую любовь к брату превратили в прелюбодеяние и разврат и осекли голову невинному человеку, а сейчас..... Скрипали, ручки, лавочки, Литвиненко и т.д. Тошнит от всего этого.
Overall, she deserved it for how she treated Catherine.
It was Henry who treated Katherine badly.
She was a woman in a man’s - and a king at that - world. Henry is to blame. Not Anne. He certainly proved this was his modus operandi throughout his life
Instant karma for Anne Boleyn 😂
Anne would have preferred to have married Sir Percy, but when the King goes after you, you do whatever you can to protect yourself… The only one of his wives that went after HIM, was Jane Seymour with the backing/pushing of her brothers.
@@helend7542 Not all the charges were false. She HAD been flirtatious with a court minister, which is already a death sentence.
@@annwilliams6438Yet she was his favorite wife and she didnt went after him she had no choice she was a well known virgin unlke whoreboleyn who played hard to get