As an historical graduate and student of Early Modern England, I would like to congratulate PDS on this episode. It includes testimony from respected historians and covers the entire reign of Henry 8 with very few contentious assertions. Well done. ,
I think there are quite a few contentious assertions about Anne Boleyn- particularly that she wanted to be queen from the start. That is debated by many historians. It continues to call her his lover rather his second queen. It does not mention that one of the reasons for the falling out between Cromwell and Anne Boleyn was the dissolution of the ministries and Anne’s concern that proceeds were being used to enrich many greedy men. It asserts Anne entered the Tower via Traitors Gate, whereas as I understand she entered via the same entrance as at her coronation. It fails to mention Cranmer’s role in putting the case of the annulment to opinion of scholars in universities across Europe, instead relying on the case in Rome. Another is that there were others at Court who had a better claim to the throne. If you discount the Tony Robinson’s rather controversial theory Edward IV was not the son of Richard, Duke of York, there was no one alive in England that had a better claim to the throne than Henry. He was the senior most heir to both the Yorkist and Lancastrian claims. However I do like that it mentions Cromwell and the role Parliament played, and that this led to modern democracy. I also like that it focuses on Henry’s reign and not just his marital adventures.
This is possibly one of the most interesting programmes l have seen on Henry V111 ...having read much about him it was good to know that inadvertently he left important legacies..including historical fascination with his reign for ever ...
Absolutely! However I didn't like him OR many around him. They were also out totally, for themselves. I'd have sooner been a peasant. Very important legacies, I agree.
The wives were not all related to Henry. He was closely related to Katherine of Aragon and Katherine Parr. They all have a common ancestor in John of Gaunt. Anne Boleyn and Katheryn Howard were related to each other, they were cousins, but they weren’t related to the King.
“She wanted to be queen”. I believe this is a false accusation. I believe she truly loved her betrothed and wanted to marry him. She went into a fit when Henry forced them to split and I believe she wanted away from him in earnest when she fled his presence. Slowly but surely he made himself her only option and eventually she grasped the chance. That said, no, it wasn’t her initial intention, how could it be. In catholic Europe, divorce was unheard of. She would not have expected Henry to get him and she didn’t want to be a mistress. You can’t treat her intentions as if she knew marriage was a possibility, she had zero reason to believe it was even remotely possible. We know it - she didn’t.
I am not a religious person but only limiting the Bible to Latin is a way for the church and the priests to maintain a monopoly. Translating the Bible into all languages makes sense. Other professions - religion is a profession, look at how rich and influential Iran's mullahs are - such as Lawyers and doctors use Latin as a way of trying to exclude people.
@@whitetrashkel Sounds like an underhanded monopoly to me. Gatekeeping was created by the rich and the privileged in order to hold onto their monopoly.
Catherine of Aragon did actually conceive more than one son. One survived for 7 days and I think there were another two (?) that she miscarried or were stillborn.
Catherine of Aragon bore a son, Henry, Duke of Cornwall who was born on January 1, 1511 and died on February 22, 1511 at the age of 8 weeks. Anne Boleyn had one stillborn son.
Yes an excellent documentary but amazing how so many 'factual' videos on RUclips! are actually wrong in places.This is NO WAY the first I've come across. . WW1 aviation is another topic I find mouthwateringly interesting.I own MANY books on WW1 and it's aviation in general, yet it is a RUclips video field strewn with cowpatties! People that write books are more correct than those that just throw together a video.PROVEN MY ME TO ME 100%! CHECK IT OUT YOURSELVES FOLKS!🤓👍🏻 ☮️🩵🖖🏻✝️♾️🕉🪬⚛️🏴🇬🇧
Think this documentary has its facts slightly confused - if i remember my history classes correctly, Richard II was actually the most tyrannical king England ever knew, and he was also the one that started the whole " your highness/majesty" crap too.... just saying...
His character is very like our current day Harry's character. Paranoid, insecure, doesn't like to work, easily influenced and causes havoc due to marrying an ambitious ruthless woman.
Imo if Catherine of Aragon had given him a couple of sons he would never have married all the others ,it was his pursuit of a male heir that drove him to keep the Tudor dynasty going it was fairly new ,but the silver lining was Elizabeth the first came from all that chaos
Poor Anne thought she had a handle on the king..until it came to her head on the chopping block. Seems to me she was an excellent manipulator in the beginning when she had the kings ear but when it came to lies against her, she could not manipulate any longer. Tho We do thank her for our dear Queen Elizabeth the 1st..what a historical and fascinating woman! I hope both Henry and Anne are very proud of their daughter 👏👏
45:25 This is a very inconsiderate view of Catherine Howard. First of all, she was just a teenager and Henry was 49 going on 50, so while sex outside of marriage is obviously a sin, of course she wouldn't be interested in a man years younger than her. Second of all, Thomas Culpepper was known to have raped a villager's wife and killed her husband when he tried to stop him, for which he was pardoned by the king. Also, historians speculate that he was blackmailing her and she was just telling him what he wanted to hear, albeit it is somewhat possible that they could've been in love. As historians they should've delved more into her story and studied it more rather than just calling her a foolish silly girl, summarising her story, and moving on.
A very interesting comment, I can see the similarity, I was born at Hampton Court ( not the palace though) so I was brought up knowing all about this Tudor history!
Calling King Henry ‘selfish’ is a bizarre term. He was God’s representative on earth, therefore he was acting as any king would in the 15th century. He wasn’t ‘selfish’.
I mean oh well, still fascinated with him and the rest of the Tudors. Read all about the other kings, still bad, mean brutal but here is Henry which will all come back too.
I find it funny the lies told about the monestaries by Henry and co are still believed by the experts on this doc. How does a nation change there religion for that. But Henry really believes he was doing what was right and anne was a prodestant saint. They still believe those lies.
What makes Catherine Howard "a silly, silly" girl, please? A statement like that discards the whole documentary. The statement is outrageously unprofessional for a historian.
@@haeronalda4136 Indeed it has. Yet, I find it difficult to trust an opinion of a historian who chooses to call Catherine (Katheryn) Howard "a silly girl" without as much as bothering to explain what exactly makes Catherine "silly". Also, what a term to use by a professional historian. Complete and utter lack of respect and eloquence.
@@kasie680 Are you sure you belong in the 21st century? Are you stuck in times where they burnt "witches"?! Did Catherine have a choice? Have you ever been a teenager? As a teenager, were you obliged to please a 50 year old stinking egoist? Could you imagine falling in love head over hills been a teenager? I do not think Catherine was silly. I think those who judge her, especially in the 21st century, are either silly or have no empathy.
@@kasie680 How do you know she cheated on him. I doubt that very much, it was simply an excuse to get rid of her. You are a very silly boy for claiming to know. Plus, she was a woman.
Well at least Henry VIII held court indoors eh? I mean how else are some people since then who are tyrants outside too supposed to get away with what they do while blaming everybody else except Henry the VIII and themselves too while NOT taking proper responsibilty for their own choice of which set of hats to wear all at the same time too. For example a priest offering a re-baptism of the mother of his children n a very slippery river bank during a flood with 2 infants looking on at the time. Or how about a tyrannt who decides to become both a gender expression policeman and executioner both at the same time. Every woman during their lifetiime has a story about a male tyrant like that. A lot of men during their lifetime too has a story about a female tyrant like that who only once or who more than once always held court indoors only too instead. How does a personality best described as being tyrannical get planted and then formed? Could that have at least something to do with what is called human based only respector of persons? Respector of persons human nature which enables some of us to recognize our marriage partner for life. Turned into something else. Something else which fails to recognize how the word was made flesh in its fullest sense. A tyrant cheats himself or herself of being able to look into the heavens when outside resting without feeling bitter and resentful about anything written down about what he cannot see there yet too. Plato was like that. So was a lot of tyrants who insist they are the best interpreters of the bible around. As if they could be better at that than both Saint John the Baptist and god himself too..
Henry was not the king that insisted on being called 'your Majesty' that was Richard ll.1377- to 1399. Richard ll was vain to fault. His courtiers hated his arrogance. 'Your Majesty' is French derived. The nobles of England only spoke in French then and Saxon English was only used by the plebians but was making inroads to all levels of Société. All landed gentry only spoke French. French was falling from favour by the English by then. I watched this rubbish documentary and after about fifteen minutes in as the infantile rambling sent me to the wine cellar.
Henry the VIII was not the first king in English history to insist on being called majesty. Richard II was the first English King to demand the title Highness or Majesty, reigning before Henry VIII between 1377-1399.
This narrator has a great voice for historical documentaries. It is clear, captivating, and commands one's attention.
Samuel West
Yes, it's perfect. What days they were!
Class 👍👍
AI
Yes
The actors playing Henry and Cromwell have the perfect faces for their parts
I love tudor history its truly fascinating
This is a breath of fresh air after the previous documentary i just watched on henry vii. Props to the cameramen, editors and many experts.
props=numpty 'English'
that was incredible! i was hooked from beginning to end. thank you
As an historical graduate and student of Early Modern England, I would like to congratulate PDS on this episode. It includes testimony from respected historians and covers the entire reign of Henry 8 with very few contentious assertions. Well done.
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Why do people have to mention their own things, well done
I'm a graduate in historical studies
Love ❤ the Tudor Period also the music!
not an English Language graduate then!
I think there are quite a few contentious assertions about Anne Boleyn- particularly that she wanted to be queen from the start. That is debated by many historians. It continues to call her his lover rather his second queen.
It does not mention that one of the reasons for the falling out between Cromwell and Anne Boleyn was the dissolution of the ministries and Anne’s concern that proceeds were being used to enrich many greedy men.
It asserts Anne entered the Tower via Traitors Gate, whereas as I understand she entered via the same entrance as at her coronation.
It fails to mention Cranmer’s role in putting the case of the annulment to opinion of scholars in universities across Europe, instead relying on the case in Rome.
Another is that there were others at Court who had a better claim to the throne. If you discount the Tony Robinson’s rather controversial theory Edward IV was not the son of Richard, Duke of York, there was no one alive in England that had a better claim to the throne than Henry. He was the senior most heir to both the Yorkist and Lancastrian claims.
However I do like that it mentions Cromwell and the role Parliament played, and that this led to modern democracy.
I also like that it focuses on Henry’s reign and not just his marital adventures.
This is possibly one of the most interesting programmes l have seen on Henry V111 ...having read much about him it was good to know that inadvertently he left important legacies..including historical fascination with his reign for ever ...
Absolutely! However I didn't like him OR many around him. They were also out totally, for themselves. I'd have sooner been a peasant. Very important legacies, I agree.
@@janeclarkson8471Some of them weren't the smartest kids on the BLOCK 😂
This was a great watch, thanks for posting
Brilliantly made documentary.🙌
Fun fact: all of Henry's wifes and himself were related, although you have to go back 200 years to find the common ancestor, Edward I.
Not Anne of Cleves though!
So what? Nothing new, even today.. .
Cool! How many generations is that?
Some cultures go out of their way to ensure that they remain closely related …vomit central
The wives were not all related to Henry. He was closely related to Katherine of Aragon and Katherine Parr. They all have a common ancestor in John of Gaunt. Anne Boleyn and Katheryn Howard were related to each other, they were cousins, but they weren’t related to the King.
“She wanted to be queen”. I believe this is a false accusation. I believe she truly loved her betrothed and wanted to marry him. She went into a fit when Henry forced them to split and I believe she wanted away from him in earnest when she fled his presence. Slowly but surely he made himself her only option and eventually she grasped the chance. That said, no, it wasn’t her initial intention, how could it be. In catholic Europe, divorce was unheard of. She would not have expected Henry to get him and she didn’t want to be a mistress. You can’t treat her intentions as if she knew marriage was a possibility, she had zero reason to believe it was even remotely possible. We know it - she didn’t.
Exactly! We have the blessing of hindsight - Anne certainly didn't
I am not a religious person but only limiting the Bible to Latin is a way for the church and the priests to maintain a monopoly. Translating the Bible into all languages makes sense. Other professions - religion is a profession, look at how rich and influential Iran's mullahs are - such as Lawyers and doctors use Latin as a way of trying to exclude people.
Yes it's called 'Gatekeeping'
@@whitetrashkel Sounds like an underhanded monopoly to me. Gatekeeping was created by the rich and the privileged in order to hold onto their monopoly.
A Paranoid Ruthless Tyrant just like Joseph Stalin
@DonnellOkafor-pd7yn ...and the killer, Putin.
Very good presentation TY to all who contributed to the production....
Catherine of Aragon did actually conceive more than one son. One survived for 7 days and I think there were another two (?) that she miscarried or were stillborn.
I enjoyed this documentary, but an awful lot was left out.
Catherine of Aragon bore a son, Henry, Duke of Cornwall who was born on January 1, 1511 and died on February 22, 1511 at the age of 8 weeks.
Anne Boleyn had one stillborn son.
Yes an excellent documentary but amazing how so many 'factual' videos on RUclips! are actually wrong in places.This is NO WAY the first I've come across.
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WW1 aviation is another topic I find mouthwateringly interesting.I own MANY books on WW1 and it's aviation in general, yet it is a RUclips video field strewn with cowpatties!
People that write books are more correct than those that just throw together a video.PROVEN MY ME TO ME 100%!
CHECK IT OUT YOURSELVES FOLKS!🤓👍🏻
☮️🩵🖖🏻✝️♾️🕉🪬⚛️🏴🇬🇧
Yes not much about his first marriage and how it came about 🤷♀️
Brilliant and compelling, thank you.
Think this documentary has its facts slightly confused - if i remember my history classes correctly, Richard II was actually the most tyrannical king England ever knew, and he was also the one that started the whole " your highness/majesty" crap too.... just saying...
THANK YOU...!!!
I have read works by T. Borman and R Hutchinson but of them all Professor MacCulloch's biography of Thomas Cromwell is masterful.
What goes around etc.
Keith Richards playing Cromwell it's a good performance
haha
Great doc! Though history sometimes makes us mad, I wish Norfolk got his due 😅
His character is very like our current day Harry's character. Paranoid, insecure, doesn't like to work, easily influenced and causes havoc due to marrying an ambitious ruthless woman.
Lol yes!!
Ye, right on, narcissistic goofball.
Oh dear, was expecting more, it’s yet another talking heads programme))
Imo if Catherine of Aragon had given him a couple of sons he would never have married all the others ,it was his pursuit of a male heir that drove him to keep the Tudor dynasty going it was fairly new ,but the silver lining was Elizabeth the first came from all that chaos
Am I the only one who's comparing Henry ViIi with Vladimir Putin?
Yes
No….he reminds me of Harry
Poor Anne thought she had a handle on the king..until it came to her head on the chopping block. Seems to me she was an excellent manipulator in the beginning when she had the kings ear but when it came to lies against her, she could not manipulate any longer. Tho We do thank her for our dear Queen Elizabeth the 1st..what a historical and fascinating woman! I hope both Henry and Anne are very proud of their daughter 👏👏
Henry & Anne aren't proud of anything - they're long dead.
45:25 This is a very inconsiderate view of Catherine Howard. First of all, she was just a teenager and Henry was 49 going on 50, so while sex outside of marriage is obviously a sin, of course she wouldn't be interested in a man years younger than her. Second of all, Thomas Culpepper was known to have raped a villager's wife and killed her husband when he tried to stop him, for which he was pardoned by the king. Also, historians speculate that he was blackmailing her and she was just telling him what he wanted to hear, albeit it is somewhat possible that they could've been in love. As historians they should've delved more into her story and studied it more rather than just calling her a foolish silly girl, summarising her story, and moving on.
This was brilliant!
Anne's 'heading' to the scaffold....i see what you did there lol
Anne didn't pursue the king.
Why no mention of Thomas Moore in the documentary?
More spoke against it, he did nothing except to be treasonous in Henry's view.
It is almost like you are talking about Trump
Or Prince Harry
He had a son but illegitimate
LMHO…so true
A very interesting comment, I can see the similarity, I was born at Hampton Court ( not the palace though) so I was brought up knowing all about this Tudor history!
First time any queen was beheaded.
The actor playing Ann is a babe.
??? Meaning what???
@DonnellOkafor-pd7yn thanks for the answer. and yes, it is.....
Bulging eyes
I smash it
Actress
Yorkist..pretty strong.
@pppmanly I agree with you, in fact I thought it was Jeremy Irons 😊
Calling King Henry ‘selfish’ is a bizarre term. He was God’s representative on earth, therefore he was acting as any king would in the 15th century. He wasn’t ‘selfish’.
"He was a man of an unbounded stomach".
Queen katherine
Henry was and unstable, insecure, horrible man
Very much like Domald Trump in personality
Sounds like a complete narcissist
Yes and the rest!
I mean oh well, still fascinated with him and the rest of the Tudors. Read all about the other kings, still bad, mean brutal but here is Henry which will all come back too.
39:39..." responded with extreme violence "
I find it funny the lies told about the monestaries by Henry and co are still believed by the experts on this doc. How does a nation change there religion for that. But Henry really believes he was doing what was right and anne was a prodestant saint. They still believe those lies.
That dude that gave Henry VIII credit for the US is just dumb. That was indeed a stretch. LMAO
What I like about this king as a man is nothing !
A referendum about the asylum system.
That background'music' is revolting
What makes Catherine Howard "a silly, silly" girl, please? A statement like that discards the whole documentary. The statement is outrageously unprofessional for a historian.
That's been the predominant attitude towards poor Katherine for a long time, unfortunately. It's only more recently that this started to change.
@@haeronalda4136 Indeed it has. Yet, I find it difficult to trust an opinion of a historian who chooses to call Catherine (Katheryn) Howard "a silly girl" without as much as bothering to explain what exactly makes Catherine "silly". Also, what a term to use by a professional historian. Complete and utter lack of respect and eloquence.
She was a very silly girl, marrying the king and cheating on him! Very silly
@@kasie680 Are you sure you belong in the 21st century? Are you stuck in times where they burnt "witches"?! Did Catherine have a choice? Have you ever been a teenager? As a teenager, were you obliged to please a 50 year old stinking egoist? Could you imagine falling in love head over hills been a teenager? I do not think Catherine was silly. I think those who judge her, especially in the 21st century, are either silly or have no empathy.
@@kasie680 How do you know she cheated on him. I doubt that very much, it was simply an excuse to get rid of her. You are a very silly boy for claiming to know. Plus, she was a woman.
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Well at least Henry VIII held court indoors eh? I mean how else are some people since then who are tyrants outside too supposed to get away with what they do while blaming everybody else except Henry the VIII and themselves too while NOT taking proper responsibilty for their own choice of which set of hats to wear all at the same time too. For example a priest offering a re-baptism of the mother of his children n a very slippery river bank during a flood with 2 infants looking on at the time. Or how about a tyrannt who decides to become both a gender expression policeman and executioner both at the same time. Every woman during their lifetiime has a story about a male tyrant like that. A lot of men during their lifetime too has a story about a female tyrant like that who only once or who more than once always held court indoors only too instead. How does a personality best described as being tyrannical get planted and then formed? Could that have at least something to do with what is called human based only respector of persons? Respector of persons human nature which enables some of us to recognize our marriage partner for life. Turned into something else. Something else which fails to recognize how the word was made flesh in its fullest sense. A tyrant cheats himself or herself of being able to look into the heavens when outside resting without feeling bitter and resentful about anything written down about what he cannot see there yet too. Plato was like that. So was a lot of tyrants who insist they are the best interpreters of the bible around. As if they could be better at that than both Saint John the Baptist and god himself too..
He had an ego as big as the universe ans more fragile than an egg.😳☹️😳
AI
Henry needs cloning and replacing Charlie boy.
Henry was not the king that insisted on being called 'your Majesty' that was Richard ll.1377- to 1399. Richard ll was vain to fault. His courtiers hated his arrogance. 'Your Majesty' is French derived. The nobles of England only spoke in French then and Saxon English was only used by the plebians but was making inroads to all levels of Société. All landed gentry only spoke French. French was falling from favour by the English by then. I watched this rubbish documentary and after about fifteen minutes in as the infantile rambling sent me to the wine cellar.
Henry the VIII was not the first king in English history to insist on being called majesty. Richard II was the first English King to demand the title Highness or Majesty, reigning before Henry VIII between 1377-1399.
a paranoid ruthless tyrant just like keir starmer