Winners & Questions of the 2024 Draft with Brett Kollmann | The Mina Kimes Show ft. Lenny
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- The Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny: Brett Kollmann joins the show to recap the draft. We give our winners of the draft, plus the things that make us go “hmmm,” including, of course, the Falcons' decision to draft a QB after signing Kirk Cousins.
0:00 Brett Kollmann joins the show
1:00 Draft takeaways
2:10 Do the Bears have the best trio of pass catchers?
6:50 Winner: Colts
11:45 Winner: Bills
19:30 Winner: Steelers
25:00 Winner: Cardinals
28:45 Winner: Vikings
37:35 Winner: Bengals
41:40 Winner: Chargers
47:40 Why did the Falcons draft a QB?
58:45 Should the Broncos have taken Bo Nix?
1:01:05 Why did Troy Franklin fall?
1:02:25 Evaluating the Commanders draft
1:07:10 Why didn’t the Cowboys draft a RB?
1:08:40 49ers Ricky Pearsall pick
1:12:00 Should the Giants have taken a QB?
1:15:30 Evaluating the Raiders draft
1:18:50 Goodbye!
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Mina + Brett! Elite duo!
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43:35 thank me later 😂
@@PanasheMangwiro-wj5nu LOL
You can't go wrong with Brett as a guest.
Appreciate the empathy of Brett bringing up the context about AD Mitchell’s Type 1 Diabetes as it relates to how he’d interview in the morning. We tend to forget these are young guys having to manage an incredibly strenuous gauntlet of physical and mental tasks. Acting like one bad morning (likely explainable by a medical condition) can serve as a blanket evaluation of a person’s character is pretty silly.
Agree, but at the same time, if you know you’re not great until a few hours in the day wouldn’t you adjust your schedule? I mean, it is his responsibility to manage himself. To me that says something.
@@bretttaylor3787yeah, because the NFL and their weirdo scouts/coaches would totally understand a kid rescheduling on very short notice for the biggest job interview of his life, because [to them] he doesn't "feel good"
I'm not downplaying his condition at all, I'm a Colts fan and agree it was probably the reason. My point is they probably would have taken that as a negative too. We've all heard stories of guys missing meetings and whatnot getting taken off a teams draft board. I know he didn't miss it, and if he rescheduled he wouldnt have, but again these people are weird and have strange feelings on silly shit like that. He probably figured it was better to just gut through it and try his best
@@bretttaylor3787 Yeah cause diabetes works that way
@@bretttaylor3787 From the sound of it, the teams do their interviews at the combine in the morning with few to no exceptions; for an event managing that many people with possibly-conflicting schedules, rescheduling the interviews for later in the day when he'd be better might not have been an option. And while AD Mitchell isn't the first Type 1 diabetic in the league (just off the top of my head, Mark Andrews is, as well, and I'm sure he's not the first, either), it's not a common condition and not one teams are just going to assume to be the case and have ready accommodations for.
Is it just me but is it really refreshing to hear about NFL news and takes from a women that is so genuine and into it. Love it, keep it up Mina ❤
Man i would watch the 2 of you together all the time! The knowledge is insane. PLEASE DO MORE POD CASTS TOGETHER!
This is the only post draft recap/winner and losers segment I trust.
All post draft content is a crap shoot
@@jackiemoon5906 Even if they're wrong - and they probably are about a fair bit - their analysis is generally just a lot better thought out and expressed than other coverage.
Both of these people are just the best to listen to, just for how they sound when saying words ☺
Thanx for the time-stamps for each section...it's much appreciated!
Nice, been dying to hear Lenny’s thoughts on the draft
Jags fan here. Whenever I think about “winners” of the draft, one team comes to mind immediately: LA Chargers. They have completely installed their culture with one draft. It’s amazing
Not sure about the needs of your team, but I think you guys had a solid draft as well. I really like the Brain Thomas pick.
@@ashtonheredia41 so do I.
As a jags fan do you want them to extend Lawrence and make him highest paid?
@@jackiemoon5906 yes
Been a whole lotta pain since the game against y’all but happy it’s coming together now
Oh hey, it’s Brett Kollmann!
Rocking the Rob Lowe hat!
The two of you are both great individually but make a fantastic combo, please make more content like this together
These two work well together. The discussion was thoughtful and informative. Thank you
Thank you Brett for sound explanation on Bo Nix pick!
My two favorite football analysts!
Gotta have Brett on way more! Y'all work great together!
Brett just keeps on rising. Gotta love it 🎉
Fantastic!
This was a very good show. Love the Penix discussion. Great stuff. Going to be fun watching it all play out. Pertaining to the Raiders, every QB outside of the top 6 went Mid-5th round or later. Raiders already have a day 3 QB in O'Connell on the roster, I don't think just throwing another dart at a late round QB was necessary this year.
You could make the case, if you want to play read the tea leaves, that both Atlanta and Minnesota drafted like they expect Atlanta to have to give picks to Mn for tampering. Atlanta grabbed a QB knowing they won't have picks to get one next year, and Minnesota traded away 2025 picks for Turner, like they believe they've got more 2025 picks incoming. If your asking "why sign Kirk for 100M then?" signing Kirk is what landed them the tampering charge, after which they would have realized they'd have to look for their future QB this year v. next year.
Yes as well as the Vikings will likely land 2 third round comp picks in 2025 for losing Cousins and Hunter in FA. And they will also have a ton of cap space next year to go shopping even after resigning Jet.
At least half the Vikings fans I see online are excepting big picks from the falcons. Don’t hold your breath
Vikings won’t get a comp pick for Hunter as the Greenard signing will offset it.
The Vikings won't get anything. The Falcons will just lose a pick.
This is an interesting take. It does make you wonder if the league docs ATL draft capital for tampering do those picks just go into the ether or does Minnesota get them form Atlanta? If Minnesota does get them, I could totally see reasoning behind the aggressive move to get Dallas Turner. Because Vikings gave up a lot of draft capital to make that jump.
Great episode you two!
Great stuff Mina!
NFL draft, where hope springs eternal, that was a spectacle, De-Troit nice job, da Bears an offensive powerhouse, I must be dreaming.
My 2 faves!🔥🔥
Top 5 receiver trio imo. As a Bears fan, I can't remember being this excited to watch our offense lol
My money is on them struggling. Williams does not like adversity. And in year one there is gonna be a lot of that. Dude needs to shut up and work.
And add klemet at TE and i can see the RB as a top 5 duo in the league.
love the Tory Taylor pick. Bears had a bottom of the league punter. Upgrading to generational from last place at any position is extremely valuable
Lol at assuming he’s generational. Specialists don’t always translate. Look at Robert Aguayo. A second round kicker that had buccs fans sounding like you are
Great stream!
It’s crazy, how people differ on draft grades. Can’t wait to see how this year goes.
Every injury has its risk specially older players… what if the Falcons became aware/worried lately on the availability of Kirk to play a full season???
Perhaps then those two decisions are more in line with a scenario quite frankly possible. Penix keep giving them a chance AND gain experience to take over soon.
Mina is Great. I hope ESPN Respects you as much as I do. Not just because you talked positive about our wonderful draft. All your videos been great through this whole draft process. MN doesn't ever get a top 5 pick. We got to do what we do. Skol
Brett is great
I've got some catching up to do on all these draft picks and added free agents !! I'm all ears .... Indy got some great receivers to go with Flacco it is going to be a good year for them .....
Quentin Johnston, Davis & now McConkey along with Alt is going to give Herbert a whole new offense.... Davis can catch 42 yarders when the attention goes to Johnston, there are a lot of teams who increased their potential.... I was really shocked at the additions to go with Sydney Brown from last year ... your lipstick looks great by the way ...
Great call by Mina on the vikes. None of the draft experts are looking at it as a whole. They’re not realizing the only real holes are guard, corner and dt. Two of those three are generally cheap and they have a bunch of young corners from previous drafts.
100%, and the Vikes coaches have been high on Brandel for a while, and Rouse might be decent insurance there. They also have a strong floor at CB with Blackmon, Murphy and Griffin. If any of Booth, Khyree, Dwight or Akayleb take any steps, the group goes up with them. At the very least Booth showed signs of improvement late last season. Khyree and Dwight have unusual length, and Flores will surely help some of them.
I’ll always click if it’s Mina and Brett!
Ohhh Brett here after Mina was on bootleg. Let’s go!!!!
Shout out to the new thumbnails!! They are so much better than the previous ones on all the other ESPN videos 👍🏽
What about 4? KMET is a beast too
That's what I said. I'm not even a fan but add him and swift and it's Johnson the other RB. That is alot of weapons and with different skill sets.
31:25 Exactly!
Little known fact - of the 43 defensive players on the Vikes roster - only 4 are from the Zimmer regime - Harrison Smith, Josh Metellus, Cam Bynum and Patrick Jones II. Brian Flores has got his defence now and it's now made to order, younger, and faster.
“The bad thing didn’t happen” exactly. That’s what the Vikings fan base expects
Love Mina on bootleg, love Brett on Minas show
6:34 Brett vs EJ. I'm gonna watch the Bootleg livestream when that game comes around
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Coleman was referred to as a "Tackle" by Adam Peters and all the graphics put out by our social media. He's probably gonna start out at LT. If he can't hack it, they probably just roll with Lucas (and probably find a vet somewhere) and try again next year. He played Guard and Tackle in college and his highest graded season was almost exclusively at LT.
I'm gonna go with Peters liked Sinnott based off the comps Peters gave him in the press conference over the prospects that went after. Two of the tackles you listed I *believe* are RTs, which is a need but not the same level of need. For the one that I know is a LT, I wonder if Suamataia may have turned them off a bit since he transferred his first year in college to BYU due to homesickness. The DMV is a loooooooong way from Utah. Though KC is closer to DC than it is to Utah too LOL.
Great content! Trust me! Mina doesn't need a permanent sidekick, which would limit her sphere of diverse insider news. Lenny holds his own, and never interrupts her. She's a breath of fresh air in the podcast world. No yelling, or clowns needed. And, as a pleasant bonus; Mina is absolutely stunning. (Love her in braides) and a great sense of humor to complement her comprehensive knowledge of the NFL. Other Podcasters need to study her style and delivery. She's the NFL go-to show.
Man the bears WR then you add cole kemet. That quads is insane.
Not a Steelers fan but I know when I was looking at players and mocks and wondering who goes where, I always thought Wilson, Frazier, and Fautanu, were all Steeler guys. Especially Roman Wilson who just kept reminding me of a personal favorite, Hines Ward. Tough, team guy, slot guy, clutch. Under used by Michigan.
You can throw both Wilson's in there. If last year's draft and this year's if it pans out as well as it looks, man Khan/wieldi combo is looking amazing.
Falcons, your Ryan Pace is showing 😂
I like Brett's Giant's take: unless everything goes off the rails, the Team doesn't want to keep firing coaches every 2 years. I think the GM and Coach have more than this year.
Chargers had a plan and stuck to it. Great draft
Cept you can’t run to the SB.
@@Hiphiphooray490 If only they had a QB with an arm
@@TFFForecast Kellen Moore calls several variations of plays that completely neutralized Herbert's arm. He sends *all receivers* out 15 yards on the same play. Not only does this not require a strong arm, it also gives all defenses the capacity to triple-cover those receivers.
It ain't sexy, but I _like looking_ at the play-calling. Mostly because I want the crappy coaches who don't deserve to be in the NFL kicked out! Kollmann himself here did one about Matt Canada & it was perfect. & the fans did chant him out of town.
However, not everyone is so lucky. I'm only surprised that Golden Boy Herbert is a victim of this. He _had_ Staley & Joe Lombardi, then actually _down-graded_ to the guy whose plays caused Dak to lead the league in INTs (the plays I described above), & now has the OC whose play-calling reduced Lamar so badly everyone still thinks he's a glorified RB. As much as I know Moore hindered him,things might actually be about to get _worse_ for Herbert.
As a Falcons fan, I’ve warmed up to the pick. It could prove genius in the future. Plus Terry has proven that he knows how to build a playoff caliber team. This team has literally been a QB and Coach away for the past half decade. Plus our defense is not terrible, it’s ranked 11 out of 32 teams. We’ll be fine and if Cousins has an Aaron Rodgers injury early in the season, I’d much rather have Penix than Zach Wilson. Also, with what we have, I could care less about the money when it’s being payed by a billionaire.
And also as a non fan y’all made a major upgrade at the position and develop a guy for the future at a position that if he is good can play until he’s 35
You got the best qb in the draft and F'd my vikings 2 times this offseason lol...
Penix has a amazing arm, and almost perfect delivery. And we see it all the time having a young QB sit and learn especially cousins will be perfect for them. Plus they won't have a pick this high. Sorry I don't see them with any less then 10 wins.
Mina is the best at making aimless nonsensical banter sound like informative educated thought.
With the Commanders and OT, I think it is pretty obvious the draft board just didn't work out for them. Reportedly, they did try to trade up, but didn't find a partner, then there was a big gap where there were no tackles taken. So, no question the first two picks were fine. Picking Sinnott over a tackle is going to hang around a while, at least until we see if Coleman can play. As for Newton, it was pointed out that Allen and Payne played a lot of snaps last year and the other DTs are space eaters. Also, yes, this is the last year Allen has guaranteed money on his deal, so there is the potential to trade him.
FYI Greg LLoyd, Hines Ward, Thurman Thomas all played without and ACL. I know there are others these are just the few I know about.
I also thought Harrison doesn't have a acl either? But Im not 100% positive.
Washington was trying to move back up into the 1st round for an OT. Just wasn't able to find a team willing to trade down with them. Takes two to tango.
The opportunity cost for the Giants was Nabers or Odunze - a guaranteed blue chip WR for a QB that wasn't necessarily a guaranteed upgrade on Jones.
Crazy nobody speaks on my BUCCANEERS. I hate our qb too but the TEAM is Uber talented!!
If Penix sits 2 years, it’s a perfectly valid process of QB succession. If Penix is thrusted to the starting role before then, you’re just burning money with Cousins. I don’t see why so many people are BAFFLED by the pick. It’s pretty straightforward.
Mina is a dream come true 😍😻🏈🧠🧑🏽🎓❤️🔥
I think it's more likely Dewayne Carter (who they got with the 3rd rounder they picked up from KC)makes a big sack of Mahomes and that will drive the crowd wild 😁
I agree that the media is selling the Bears short this draft cycle. As a Packer fan, I don't think any team in the NFL can line up man for man against Chicago on offense. Gerald Everett is their 6th or 7th best pass catcher, it is stupid how good their offense could be.
Ya and they have a really good TE, and have a talented back field that could be amazing this year. But both your rosters are absolutely loaded and with your talent galore! It's insane, should be fun to watch from the outside as a Steelers fan.
Mina nailed the discussion about Penix and how the Falcons took an L on their 1st round pick. The Falcons are losing either way bc if Penix works out you wasted 100mil on Cousins and if Cousins works out, you took a QB that will be riding the pine for a lot of his rookie contract that they won't know if he is their long term solution and possibly wasted a 1st round pick. I watched the take of Mina on first take with Stephen A and she completely roasted him and Dan on their takes on this pick. Mina knows her stuff and does her homework and that clearly showed on her discussion with SAS and Dan.
Mina mentioning Buckner…is that some Duck love from a Husky? 😃
No not at all! This is a seahawks and washington husky show.
@@Whatsthedill_ENT LOL!
All Teams made great improvement; I'm sure there are a lot of excited locker rooms today !! Communication and encouragement will do wonders to bring the Intensity when needed
Justin Herbert had pretty good triplets for receiving his rookie season, Mike W., Keenan and Austin Ekeler
That's true but his O-line in his rookie year was rated as the absolute worst O-line in the league. He has Sam Tevi at LT, Forest Lamp at LG, Dan Feeny at C, Trai Turner at RG, and Bryan Bulaga at RT who missed 6 games and was replaced by a garbage Trey Pipkins. Smh! That O-line was awful!!! Herb was running for his life the second the ball was snapped. Lol
I so wanted the Vikes to draft Brian Thomas Jnr at 23, or trade back a bit for Xavier Legette to give them the triplets, even quadruplets, but can't complain about Dallas Turner. Maybe they'll sign Tyler Boyd.
That Mina to Kollman connect like Peyton on Harrison. On grannies bruh
Much of Mina’s problem with the Penix selection seems to come from his age. There are at least 2 NFL qbs in the hall of fame who didn’t play before age 27 (Kurt Warner and Roger Staubach). There’s also Brandon Weeden, who was drafted in the first round of the 2012 draft at the ripe age of 28.
To top it off, Atlanta just gave a four year contract to a 36 year old in a widely lauded move, at the time.
1. Penix has a play-style that ages very well
2. Green Bay was able to get a sweetheart prove-it extension on Love. If Atlanta loves what Penix shows behind-the-scenes, it seems likely they could do the same
3. Kirk Cousins is one of the most cerebral qbs in the league, and he’s seen it all. Allowing a cerebral young player to study under him will pay dividends.
All that matters is if your qb can play. If you take a 21 year old that can’t, it’s not a good decision because he’s 21. Penix can play.
And joe namath, john elway, hines ward, greg loyd, phillip rivers, logan makins. All of them never had a ACL
Cardinals will have the best pass catching trio by the end of the season if not the best pass catchers as a whole
I heard Dallas had also been on the phone with KC and was willing to swap 1st round picks 29 for 32 had Buffalo not accepted the trade with KC. So KC would most likely have gotten Xavier Worthy at 29 anyway if Buffalo stuck and picked Keon Coleman at 28. So Buffalo fans shouldn't be too upset about the trade.
What were the Raiders supposed to do? The top three guys went 1-2-3 and the next three were all gone by the time it got to them(i don't think Nix and JJ are worth the 13th pick plus trade up compensation, Penix I love but nobody was expecting the falcons to pick him there). We already have a developmental guy in Aiden and a bridge guy in Minshew so I don't see the point in just taking some day 3 QB just to say you did.
If ATL viewed Penix as their no.2-3 QB on the board, I have no qualms with it. Kirk is coming off an ACL, Penix might start the season.
Do you know who isn’t laughing at the pick. = London, Pitts, Mooney, Bijon.
Great point too Brett, ATL mightn’t have a first rounder next year.
I view the value of Dallas Turner as #8 in the draft. As soon as there was no huge trade to get Maye, the move to get #23 wasn’t very important. So why not use some mid-round picks from next year to go that extra mile to get a top ten talent? Let’s not forget they are expecting two 3rd round compensation picks in 2025. They also have quite a lot of cap space next season, so they are hardly going to suffer. If they have a poor season then they still have their 1st round pick - not lost aka Panthers - which will either have value for trading back, or perhaps selecting one of the top players. It has also been said that it looks as though next year’s draft isn’t going to be as strong as this year.
Giants saw the orange and white Texas game said were tanking for Arch manning
How bout them Bucs, & Lions !! ☯ NFC Playoff teams are turning into super bowl championship teams after this draft ..... AFC style we will see what happens; Worthy was definitely a great addition to go with #4 for them.... This season is going to be some seriously good NFL football ..... ™
They keep saying JJ is a fit for this offense. I remember hearing that Giavanni Carmazzi was a good for the 49ers under Steve Marriucci. I think people want JJ to be good.
It feels like they have buyers remorse on kirk cousins
Keon Coleman is not playing in the slot he's going to start at the X position on the outside Brandon Beane has already stated this..
I hate to tell you, but I think the Vikings wanted Penix. Imagine Penix arm with JJ and Addison
I'd put Rams and Eagles as winners of this draft too
Charges are a Darkhorse to trade for Deebo. They have the cap space and could use a WR/RB in Roman's offense. I think he works with Lad and QJ...
I don’t think KC is looking to bomb it out. I think they are looking to use motion pre-snap how Miami does and then let Kelce use his crafty ability or find open space to make up for his lost of speed. Rice is also going to get better looks because they can let him release into space CBs will spot them to account for speed. They obviously will go deep, but I think this is about exploiting Mahomes accuracy and quick processing and using YAC.
What the over under on games suspended for Rice?
I think O'Connell is a better QB than any of the QBs after the 1st round. They're better off trying to find out what they have in him and wait to take one if he doesn't work out. The problem with the Raiders is they perpetually sit in the middle of the pack each year and think they're a few moves away from the playoffs and a super bowl. The fans buy in to the hype of superstar players like Davante Adams, not realizing WR has the least amount of impact of almost any position on the field. This upcoming year should be make-or-break as far as that mentality goes. If they start off 1-3 or 2-4, they should consider looking in to trading Adams.
Atlanta making a PTSD pick
I can understand Atlanta not feeling super comfortable with a 36 year old QB coming off an achilles. And I'm not sure if reaching for an edge rusher was going to move the needle much. So, why not draft a player you love at the most valuable position? Sure you paid Cousins a grip but what other options were there? Minshew? Brissett? That's a steep drop off and the price was the price. It wasn't like Cousins wouldn't have got that money somewhere else. What they did was exactly the definition of "scared money don't make money."
Not saying I would've taken a QB. But I don't think they missed out on a big time talent that would have changed their championship aspirations. Save for Odunze, who they really don't need and would have been more of a luxury.
God bless everyone. EAGLES..the Bears three have not played 1 game
Evaluating Raiders Draft - Let's Talk about Spencer Rattler *SMDH*
We will see what JJ will do. If he does not do well, someone wil ltry and blame everyone except JJ. JJ is the hope that everyone wants.
I dont mind the Falcons Drafting a QB. Not one person was going to put them over the top this year in the first round. They drafted 4 players in the draft for the DL/pass rush and now they have future QB after Cousins.
I feel like the Vikings are ok with sacrificing draft capital with all the cap space they have opening up over the next few years
@5:30. I agree, I like the moxie, but there are definitely ways that a QB can keep the punter off the field that aren’t positive for their team, so hopefully that doesn’t turn into the monkey’s paw.
As a Vikings fan, I can assure you I am not relieved...Falcons F'd us twice.
Everybody’s a paper champion after the draft. Let’s see how it translates to the field.
49ers aren't going to trade Deebo this year, this sets it up perfectly for them to cut or trade him next year. If they do it this year the would make them selves worse while they are still trying to win an SB on the last year of Brocks rookie deal!
I’m not hating on the Steelers but what’s with the draft hype last few seasons? Because they took OL? Lots of teams took good OL. lol and that offense was bad last year. Think this is more the new GM than anything. Steelers backed into the playoffs past 2 years with help from other teams. Again, I just don’t understand it. lol
I think the teams 2-6 really wanted to promote the rumor that the Giants wanted a QB to increase the value of their picks and let more non QBs slide
pittsburgh needs a running mate for pickens so roman can just be slot tp start. get ready to learn yinzer deebo
_Bingo!_ This is difficult because I can't say, & I'm NOT saying_ this draft was bad. But that o-line got *that QB room to the playoffs.*
So how badly _did_ it need an upgrade? Meanwhile, now the receiving corps is one minor injury away from being worthless. Even if Roman is good, there's simply not enough threatening players here to make teams not double-cover Pickens. Freiermouth can't carry this team.
Then there's this: despite other good moves Khan wasted resources getting Watkins & Jefferson? Then had nothing to out-bid the Texans with for Stefon Diggs who cost about as much. I think everyone would prefer Diggs over Watkins, Jefferson *and Austen!*
If the offense stalls even once, not one Yinzer is going to say "but we upgraded the o-line" in anything but a sarcastic way.
I couldn't call Buffalo a "playoff team already" after their player losses. Their draft is not guaranteed to plug-in and put them back in the playoff grid. The draft is largely a crap shoot and you must select multiple players at each position of "need" in order to increase your odds of a 'hit'. They lost two WRs and picked 1, not good. They lost two CBs, picked 1 late. They lost a starting safety and drafted 1. They lost a LB and picked 1. These are all big 'maybes'. I'm sure one of these players hits, but likely half of them won't. The Packers did it right. They lost a Safety and drafted 3. The Packers lost 2 offensive lineman and picked 3, Lost 1 LB and picked 2. The Packers aren't assuming they can fill a position with the draft going 1 for 1 on picks to fill the gaps. The Packers used multiple picks and undrafted free agents to compete for a spot. And the Packers aren't shy about giving a starting spot to a late round pick or undrafted free agent rookie if they hit in camp. IMO, the Bills are in big trouble and aren't going to replace their lost vets with just one draft. The Bills are a mediocre team and probably not a playoff team right now.
Also, unlike the Bills, when the Packers had to start rebuilding when the Rodgers era was over, they started rebuilding in 2022 with Rodgers still there and have spent 3 seasons using the draft to hit on multiple parts of the team with each draft. In 2022 and 2023 they went with WR, TE, OL, DL and got a lucky hit in the 7th round with CB Carrington Valentine. In 2024, this year, the Packers loaded up with 11 draft picks and went OL, S, & LB and a slew of undrafted free agents to compete. None of the draft picks are guaranteed any spot and they would hand a starting job to even a 7th Rounder or undrafted rookie. It worked unbelievably well at WR and produced a 5-deep WR corps that seems to be the league's deepest. The Packers seem to be running the best process for using the draft, competition and coaching development to reload roster spots over the last 5-6 years. Their post-Rodgers rebuild has been amazing and arguably they already started that rebuild back in 2020 with the Jordan Love pick.