NASA Finally Realized Dream Chaser is Better Than Boeing Starliner...
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2024
- NASA Finally Realized Dream Chaser is Better Than Boeing Starliner...
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00:00: Intro
00:36: NASA’s Dream Chaser visit
02:15: Dream Chaser and Starliner
06:23: Dream Chaser’s potential
07:35: SpaceX Dragon’s superiority
08:58: Conclusion
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NASA Finally Realized Dream Chaser is Better Than Boeing Starliner...
Dream Chaser is set to launch this year, marking a significant milestone for its creator, Sierra Space. NASA also has high hopes for this spaceplane, especially after the setbacks with Boeing's Starliner. Creating a counterbalance to SpaceX's Dragon is exactly what NASA aims for right now.
So, is Dream Chaser the right choice for NASA? How does it stack up against Starliner? Can it compete with, or even surpass, SpaceX's Dragon? Let's explore these questions in today's episode of Great SpaceX!
NASA Finally Realized Dream Chaser is Better Than Boeing Starliner...
Last month, NASA and Sierra Space reached a significant milestone by sending the first uncrewed spaceplane, Dream Chaser Tenacity, to NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. After several months of testing at the NASA facility in Ohio, this spaceplane will undergo a few more final tests before launching on ULA's Vulcan Centaur.
Dream Chaser's first mission is still on schedule for later this year, so we will have to wait a few more months for the launch. However, thanks to positive developments, Dream Chaser is becoming NASA's great hope. Recently, NASA has undertaken activities to demonstrate their confidence in this project.
NASA Finally Realized Dream Chaser is Better Than Boeing Starliner...
Specifically, on June 11, Sierra Space posted a tweet saying, "Last week, NASA Administrator Bill Nelson, Deputy Administrator Pamela Melroy, and other NASA officials received a behind-the-scenes look at our Dream Chaser spaceplane and Shooting Star cargo module in the Space Systems Processing Facility at NASA Kennedy in Florida." Bill Nelson then reposted this tweet with the message, "With our commercial partners, @NASA is paving the way for continued missions to low Earth orbit and future missions to the Moon, Mars, and beyond. Together, we are making great progress to lift humanity into the stars."
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Bill Nelson; the DEI hire of NASA.
An old Mercury capsule is superior to and more reliable than the Starliner.
It may face the same issues starship suffered in the reentry. Great chance to learn from each other.
Dreamchaser is so cool! I hope it works well and reliable! Could be sent up on Falcons too!
It remains to be seen whether or not Dream Chaser is better than the Starliner. It hasn't made it to space yet and when it does it will carry only cargo.
At this moment, I wouldn't trust Boeing to build a tricycle.
*That's what they thought they were building, when they accept the contract to build Star-Lemon*
Dream chaser looks cool but it has to be inside a fairing? Starliner looks old and ancient and they cannot even get that right, I'm all for dragon and the future starship.
Dream chaser not better until it's proven itself
Yes
Starliner is just a big risk, and we all know that. Stick to Dragon, and make Dream Chaser crew rated for a back up.
Thanks for the episode.
Top management at Boeing should be jailed for fraud and grand theft.
Elon musk should get all contracts
Hopefully that never happens
A Gemini capsule is safer than the DOOMLINER
The 3rd cargo module would be for one of the two cargo Dream Chasers. Not for a crewed Dream Chaser. Tenacity and Reverence will need a new cargo module each time they launch.
Dream Chaser looks fantastic and I am looking forward to seeing it be flown by pilots/astronauts. I can see Dream Chaser as the vehicle that the military uses to carry troops anyplace around the world in 30 minutes.
Maybe Boeing could be persuaded to pay the penalty fees for not fulfilling the Starliner contract directly to Sierra Space thus achieving the amazing feat of simultaneously saving face and being humiliated!
At this point, a Lego space vehicle is more safe than starliner and it has a better chance of taking astronauts to space and safely returning them. Makes you wonder if starliner even has any engineers building this meteoroid that they managed to get into space.
It will be interesting to see how long dreamchaser will be competitive if and when starship becomes viable.
Yeah👍
Well, the only thing that will keep it alive is fact Starship cant land anywhere beside launch tower(for now)
Dream chaser will! Boldly! After following it's development these last year's, I put my trust and hope for it! Go, Dream chaser, go!
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I think _Dragon_ has proved its reliability and worth already; and I think _Dream Chaser_ looks like an excellent alternative. Perhaps the latter is more versatile, particularly if the USA finds itself at war, because all Starbases will be very desirable orc targets. _Dream Chaser's_ ability to land at any airport or airbase would make it much harder for the enemy to strike.
More broadly, I think space planes are the natural and logical successors to capsules and I'd like to see Spacex develop one to pop into Falcons to support Starship missions.
Yeah👍
That argument doesn't work. Dream Chaser's launch site is just as good a target. Dragon can land in any ocean and Starliner can land anywhere on land.
@@smacksman 1. I did say "perhaps". 2. Whether in the sea or somewhere on land, capsules seem to me to be inherently more vulnerable than _Dream Chaser_ landing on a runway from which it can more quickly taxi or be towed under cover, perhaps a hardened shelter.
Your point about launch sites is fair comment though. I don't see a solution to that for any current craft, do you?
If Dreamchaser works as intended, it will certainly surpass Starliner (admittedly a low bar) but possibly even the Falcon/Dragon combination.
Thanks I needed a laugh.
NASA should rather choose the Dream Achieved company.
Hi Kevin. Starliner is O' so Mercury - Gemini - Apollo. I was a teen during the Mercury hay day. And - Dream Chaser is still the Space Shuttle revisited. Someone needs to dream big and new in concept and purpose if they expect to dethrone the current king of space. In 4 years, Starship could put to bed these recent attempts to go to space and beyond. Why? Starship does not need to catch a ride on someone's rocket and go to orbit then coast forever. STARSHIP IS THE ROCKET AND BRINGS WITH IT POWER TO GO PLACES. Therefore, no comparison.
Oh wouldn't it be nice if the ability for anti-gravity, safe FISSION and better yet Fusion powered plasma high speed space ventures and think to approach serious space flight at exceptional speeds like >0.01 "C". Think of it. Exceed 2,860 miles per second. In 100 seconds, man could move 286,000 miles. To a fixed position observer is would be like, ah - what was that, which way did they go? That is if the observer even sees it. In a few more hundred years we will be convinced that we are stuck in our solar system because we are stuck with plasma drives and that's it. Well, unless someone will dream big and new? Who is up for the challenge?
David.
My Dad used to say that if the X15 program had been continued, they would have had a Shuttle 10 years earlier.
Seems that someone has a successful Orbital Test Vehicle for the Air Force / Space Force, if a crewed version were pursued it would make more sense than starliner. For low earth orbit, anyway.
was that the one using an arrow spike?
I mean just look at the cabin in starliner and cabin of space x. Starliner looks like an antique
Nelson will always put his reputation above all other NASA priorities. The statement you showed at 1:31 proves this.
The problem with Dream Chaser is that most places in the solar system don't have runways to land on. It is only a viable product for docking in space.
That was all it was designed for! Building and servicing space stations. (Same as Dragon and Starliner).
@@DireW0lf0 Dragon as a capsule could technically land anywhere with retro propulsion.
@@slyktech1860 Yes! But the problem then is taking off again! Hence Starship.
NASA has a habit of wanting to put companies in an adversarial role against each other. There is no need to do this here. DreamChaser is not really a competitor to Dragon the same as an 18-wheeler is not a competitor to 747 cargo jet. Each carries cargo, but they both have logistical values in different ways. SpaceX should jump out ahead of this mud-flop and offer to piggyback the DreamChaser on the Falcon booster.
Yes, I fully agree on the value of having Dream Chaser able to launch on Falcon and, for that matter, Crew Dragon able to use the Vulcan launcher, eventually. The more possible combinations of launcher and orbiter, the better.
100 yes
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It is not a space plane. It is a Space Glider. There's a huge difference. My biggest worry is the hinge problem that Starship had.
Calculated test , that’s how I know you’re a casual and not a true space enthusiast.
@@concernedcitizen6240 nice try troll.
Dream Chaser is just a smaller Shuttle, Artimas is just a bigger rocket that looks the same as the old one with no moon landing craft, no innovations here. Boeing Starliner is a 40 year old capsule with new computers, no innovation here! Space X Star ship, lots of innovation here but has not made it happen yet but looking promising.
It's about time!
yes
The Sierra Nevada Dream Chaser will easily hit the safety marks, and will surpass both Dragon and Starliner vehicles in preferred use by everyone. Why will it become preferred? The system requires less support effort during recovery, and that is a huge cost savings. It can land directly at the field where it will be refurbished, thats a huge cost savings. Finally, If it has to adjust its landing to a different facility due to weather? Its got a lot of solid choices to choose from. Last bit of safety, it lands on a runway, not a deep part of the ocean so there is no chance of it sinking which both Dragon and Starliner have as one of its issues.
Dream Chaser will never pass the Dragon safety records. Also Dream Chaser faces the same problems that the Space Shuttles faced. Budget problems. Dream Chaser has already surpassed its budget limits and still can't get into space. Plus they have heat tile issues and a proper launch system.
All Boeing contracts should be cancelled.
Let's wait to see how it will return
Your birth should have been cancelled.
Boeing used to be an engineering company; engineers in charge. Domination by "business managers" trained to "manage" any product leads to disaster. The best of them recognize their limits and depend on the innovators. The worst have no limits in their eyes. Disaster awaits.
@@colonbina1 Yes. If it fails to correctly detach, or manoeuvre, or achieve a successful re-entry, or it crashes, it will be very bad.
If it does any of those things with humans aboard it will be much worse. :-/
Needs Redesign asap!!!
Yes
Yeah♥️
Good Morning, Kev. Yea, Maybe. After the Starliner debacle. Starliner shouldn't even be a consideration. With all the problems with Starliner. Scrap the whole fiasco. Demand your money back. Get the astronauts back safely. Have a Good Day, Kev.
Boing should at least have to pay SpaceX to complete the contract.
@@kennethwers I agree
Have a nice day, bro
Yess
"NASA Finally Realized Dream Chaser is Better Than Boeing Starliner"...dude, SOYUZ is better than Starliner!
Anything is better than the starleaker
It is unfortunate that the executives of Boeing and Blue Origin have lost their will to innovate. It’s readily obvious that they have calcified into Yesterday’s aerospace companies.
Blue Origin has lost their ability to design working crafts. Boeing has now proved that they no longer have ANY quality controls. Both these companies are speeding toward the scrap heap of history.
Sierra Space seems intent innovate and test and iterate and test. They are exactly the type of company that NASA was in the 1960s. Goal oriented, engineering companies that LEARN from their mistakes both in the lab and on the pad.
I will not insult the engineers at Blue Origin or Boeing. They are not to blame. The fat Bloated idiocy of the administration of both companies needs to be replaced.
I call it as it is.
Somebody watching??😎😎😎😎
Umm you do know that dragon will be phased out with starship in the next few years so no point in trying to compare any company to dragon 😂
The French should have continued development of their "Hermes" space-plane proposed back in 1985.
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It would be cool to see Dream Chaser dock with the ISS and land on whatever runway they want. Having said that, it is a much more complicated design than Starliner which is just a simple capsule. Meaning more to go wrong. Hoping for the best !
It’s obvious to a five-year-old Starliner does not meet the financial requirements for multiple missions. Furthermore, it does not have the flexibility to adapt to new requirements. I can’t believe they designed and built this boondoggle.
also what is the fuel for it?
Dream Chaser’s downside is that even once human rated, it will be years before there is a fleet of 4 or 5 manufactured and in service.
Success is measured by many metrics, retirement funding being an important one.
Reusability is the future of LEO and possible more. Boeing Starliner is just repainted Apollo with crappy software. They're not even sure if those thruster problems are hardware or software related. And Boeing doesn't have a good track record lately with their software(MCAS). The ISS has needed its own reboost system for a long time. A basic thrust module attachment would do the trick and take that requirement away from docked spacecraft. Dragon and Dream Chaser are the way of the future. Starliner is expensive legacy hardware prime for retirement.
*Kevin, you've done another good video* which tries to explain a complex problem in an easy-to-understand manner
Forgive our snarking; we're not directing that at your video, rather what you're reporting on.
NASA should’ve given the crew contract to dreamchaser. Starliner proves more than anything that simpler doesn’t ALWAYS mean better.
So what if, the dream chaser team joined with SpaceX and rode piggyback on the Star ship. Should be able to get human rated using the dream chaser as the escape and re-entry and the starship as the mission module once in orbit
Great combination ☺️
No, NASA has not realised Dream Chaser is better. They are just in that post purchase disappointment phase, where anything new sounds better. For all we know Dream Chaser might suck just as badly as StarLiner. Its totally unproven right now.
I cant recall how many times i heard this title…
One of the problems with Starliner NASA has is that it was designed to re-boost the ISS when needed, (unlike Dragon where it was not given as part of the spec). I am not sure if Dream Chaser is capable of ISS re-boost! At the moment only the Russian Progress module can do this task!
Hi Kevin of great 👍 space x yes 👍 dream chaser is the one for me and yes Boeing starliner is a dead duck 🦆 quack quack sorry guys you have work so hard on this vehicle for it to do this David 🇬🇧🚀❤️👌👍🤞
Great comment, David♥️
A simple principle: The more ways for cargo and people to get to space, the better. Therefore, I hope Dream Chaser, both cargo and crewed versions, succeeds greatly. I hope that Starliner can overcome its problems and have some utility as a vehicle to get people to and from the ISS. I hope that Superheavy/Spaceship, which is showing progress in its test flights, dramatically lowers the cost of getting cargo and people into space. And, last but not least, I applaud the excellent record of Crew Dragon in its flights so far.
Great comment♥️
Assuming it works as advertised, it will be a very positive step forward. Boing needs to re-assess their spacefaring future.
It is still the best since it hasn't gotten off the ground yet. Like Starliner was going to be.
ULA just needs one more be4 engine and they're good to go.
It's initially designed to be crewed, so building and testing a crewed version should be doable.
Yeah, let's wait for their next steps
Starliner and 737MAX show the truth about Boeing, i wont fly both... to risky 🤔
That's why they will never beat SpaceX Dragon
. . . And good luck to Dream Chaser.
Looks like a modern day follow-on based on Northrop's M2-F2 research.
I will wait for the 3rd flight of Dream Chaser to have an opinion on its success. It looks like the first one will burn up on reentry. If they can follow spacex and improve or boeing and flounder will be the indicator if it will succeed.
Let's wait for their next steps ☺️
Dreamchaser may be a great device, but there is no Crew version, and there will not be one for at least several years.
Which is maybe a good thing, considering Boeing rushed to get crew on Starliner on only the second flight, and it's been littered with problems.
Sierra Space is going to develop crew version after being successful with cargo ones
NASA should demand a refund from Boeing on behalf of taxpayers.
Dream chaser is the sexiest space craft so far period. There's no way it is cheap though. So the math could be tricky.
Back when Commercial Crew started, Dream Chaser should have been the second choice to SpaceX Dragon, but at the time, too many Boeing fanboys in NASA and reputation and congressional support led to Boeing getting the lion's share which they wasted.
And now, they are suffering the consequences from their decision
Hah! My old used Ford Pinto was better than Starliner!
Y , I hope
You forgot misprogrammed clock, and software issues
obviously!!! It works!!
Dream Chaser doesn't work yet
Dream Chaser looks a heck of a lot like John Crichton's space module from Farscape..hahahaha
Imagine where dream chaser would be now if it'd received Boeing funding levels or even the lesser Spacex amounts.
Yeah, it's worth to be invested compared to Starliner
No. Dream Chaser is lacking a home grown launch vehicle, which will put them in a weaker position. The question is whether an expendable rocket with a better landing profile is more desirable than a reusable rocket with a more cumbersome landing profile. Either way, Dream Chaser is really a competitor with Starship instead of Dragon.
Dream Chaser really feels like a low Earth orbit vehicle while SpaceX seems to chase a different market. As for Boeing, they have lost themselves in this project and need to pull the plug.
Great analysis 👍
If Sierra Space wants Dream Chaser to succeed they better find a way to work with SpaceX for a launch vehicle. As of right now the Falcon Heavy and the Starship booster are the only rocket systems that have the right thrust to weight ratio capable of taking Dream Chaser into space. Still Dream Chaser right now is over budget and Sierra is having other technical issues with the craft
8:00 have you lost your mind? What do you mean SpaceX isn’t pursuing innovative ideas? Let’s see dream chaser takeoff land and takeoff again in a matter of days if not the same day you could carry Dreamchasers in starship to and from orbit. SpaceX is the Pioneer in true SpaceX expiration
I noted this, thanks
If Dream Chaser wants to get into space they better let ULA go from this project
NASA really can't stand SpaceX
What make you worry about that?
Which is why they give them billions of dollars a year, huh?
You people will say anything in defense of the worlds wealthiest divorced man.
I think the big hurdle for Sierra will be the cost, NASA has sunk cost into Starliner and as such need to show return on the investment, but also the people who did invest in Dreamchaser where NASA did not are going to want NASA to pay for not investing in the correct product and as such will want a premium return on their investments. Unfortinately with current contracts going the way of Blie Origin who have not yet achieved an orbital trajectory ( i have no idea what idiot is running that tender matrix...) NASA and the USSF may never learn.
What you are describing is a "sunk cost fallacy." No reason to keep throwing good money after bad.
Right 👍
@@generalrendar7290 kind of, i this case cos its a fixed price its not going to cost them any more, but because NASA is very much beholdened to policics, their future funding for things is judged against past spending, basically paying Boeing for a hunk of trash that they never get any use out of doesnt bode well for future funding for other projects so they need tonget something out of Boeing for their money unfortunately. I do admit the old way of cost plas however was very much a sunk cost falicy treadmill, i am glad theybwoke up and tried tonstop boeing and lockheed and alike from suckling at the government teet for projects any corporate exec would have been fired for with how over budget and time some of them were. I think players like SpaceX, Rocket Lab and Sierra are showing what real engineers do and how whrn you dont budget a project around profit, but on actually delivering a final product, you dont wnd up tripping over all those shortcuts you took to make a buck.
Nothing beats or can come close to Space X. Dream on Dream on..................... And we not even talking about the disaster called Boeing!
Boeing's current record of horrendous safety issues and malignant management is all too clear at this point. You can't fix a company this badly run & organized in a year or two. Heck, they were found to be hiding critical issues in their designs and quality controls from the FAA and now are facing criminal prosecution of some Boeing executives! Boeing's Starliner has inherited all the bad quality issues of the current crop of Boeing aircraft. They ran up costs several times that of SpaceX with their successful Dragon capsule but delivered a dangerous Edsel in return. Put a fork in it, Boeing is done.
Pull Boeing's funding and give to Sierra
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20 years to finish a spacecraft design?
It was truly promoted from 2021
Great SpaceX just to let you know I do believe that the Dream Chaser will surpass the Starliner from Boeing, and I believe Boeing will probably give up on its starliner program. Because of the delays and problems that they had before.
However I don't think Dream Chaser will surpass the SpaceX Dragon program.
I believe there will be a competition between Sierra Space and SpaceX, and both space agencies will continue with their programs. The Dragon and Dream Chaser.
I hope two of those programs will still continue, because one day and someday I want both programs to make a great space mission history for NASA and America. Since the Apollo Soyuz space merger mission, and also to make history for the International Space Station.
Someday I want to see a SpaceX Dragon to be launched with a crew of astronauts to the International Space Station, and then afterwards a Dream Chaser Spaceplane from Sierra Space to be launched afterwards. And have their astronaut crew to go to the International Space Station, so that way both crews can meet each other in the space station.
I want that to make the greatest space mission history for NASA and American history. And to make a brand new history for the International Space Station, by having two American space agencies led by NASA. And to have two astronaut cruise from those space agencies to meet each other and to be united, and to have a big unity in the International Space Station. From both the SpaceX Dragon and Dream Chaser from Sierra Space.
That's why I want these two programs to still continue from two of those American space agencies, and that way ahead in the future. I want to see them make American history, NASA history and a brand new history for the International Space Station
Sure, but SpaceX is an all-in-one solution. They even have their own launch facility. The others are farming out their launch vehicles.
NASA wants a backup architecture. Dragon was supposed to be the back up that is why SpaceX was paid less. Now Dragon is the main spacecraft so they need a backup.
Dream chaser has had it's own failures and delays as well. Launch has been delayed twice and the still have issues with the heat tiles
Dreams Chaser is much smaller.
SpaceX should acquire Sierra space!!!?
They are just too slow in development!
no, spaceX will destroy dream chaser, with starship.
Can Dragon assist in pushing the ISS to a higher orbit.
It’s impossible with current Dragon
Can it compete with or surpass Crew Dragon?
Even if SpaceX completely stopped all development right now, the rest of the world would need 10+ years to even catch up. And the first to catch up would be China, not US.
Bill Nelson is a magician. He makes money dissappear.
Bill Nelson is a career Politician. (grin)
😂😂😂
Boeing yet ANOTHER problem, add that to Air Force One together with the Airliner problems, are the management fit for anything?
Yea they are good at giving themselves 40% pay raises and nothing more
We shrunk the shuttle. 😅
Don't wash it in hot water next time!
As it was envisioned to be, not the brick warehouse the Air Force wanted for its Keyhole satellites in exchange for their support . Shuttle was supposed to be for crew and a bit of cargo, with heavy launchers for major hardware
It can't be any worse
Well said. 👍
Dream Chaser and the X-37 are good ideas but Dream is only ONE. If they were building 5 or more would been just good. The issue is the rocket to get it to space. SpaceX built both rocket and Dragon. If Dream Chaser fails more then 3 time st launch it will be going down the road of Stare-Liner.
[lease why wings? In space wings have no place. Only for landing in atmosphere will wings help
That is what they are for!!!!!
The atmosphere is exactly why it has wings.
It's a more dangerous design. What happens when the wing gets damaged on re-entry link like starship and now it can't land on a run way? I think for the time being, the best option is parachutes since they are protected during re-entry.
Best. Name. Ever!!: stuckliner
Poor astronauts!!
If it's made by Boeing! I'm not Going!!!!
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Boeing Starliner is version 2 of Boeing Airliner. So, what more do you expect from them??
I don't get it, why do we need another cargo ship? It seems the shortfall is in human rated spacecraft.