The Commercialization of a Tragedy
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- The Titanic tragedy made the news in its time, but only makes "funny" bumper stickers today. That's kind of messed up tbh. I think it's wrong to sell all this crap. Jokes are one thing (humor is subjective), but it's kind of unjust to capitalize on an event that killed 1,500 people for a few laughs.
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Hello there! This video is pretty important to me, I think jokes are one thing and humor is subjective, but commercializing a tragedy like this is unacceptable. I wanted to post this on the 15 because most of Titanic's sinking occurred then but I think it'd be wrong to post it on Good Friday. Happy Easter!
When I clicked on the video notification this was not what I was expecting. You did an excellent job and brought light to an important topic. Thanks for the great videos and information!
I still dont get why they think making cash of a horribly tragedy is ok i mean these were real people that were very effected by this so we should just stop making merch about this
There is a movie called Titanic 666 and it's the pinnacle of awful commercialization on the tragedy.
@@S.M.R I just looked it up and watched the trailer, that movie just seems really disrespectful. There’s also a film called Titanic 2000, which is a…porn film…set on the Titanic
@@cattanic494 WHAT DID YOU SAY???!!!😨 A PORN FILM???
I’m glad someone is pointing this out, I always hated how commercialized the Titanic was
What I don't like is that there's this history channel in discord AND FUCKING PEOPLE WONT STOP POSTING TITANIC SHIT POSTS.
@@thefrunze.198 what is the server?
@@kaiserschlachtfelder Elite Studios server some Roblox server thing
@@thefrunze.198 ok thx
@@kaiserschlachtfelder also expect that there would be always sad shit in the history channel.
The Cathedral in my home town is built with double the amount of steel necessary because the builders didn't trust the material as much after the Titanic sunk. There is so much more to this tragedy that simply isn't talked about. Good on you for speaking up about this!
That church is DEFINITELY going to be there for a while then lol
@@themac6356 Until it catches on fire and burns and it's just blamed on an "accident", A lot of churches mysteriously went up in flames in 2020-2021 unfortunately.
@@FrederickTheAnon14W its not a mystery there were some asshole arsonists. It happens sometimes. Sucks but it's not some spooooooky conspiracy.
@@FrederickTheAnon14W arson.
@@FrederickTheAnon14W If you refer to Notre Dame, well, I don't think anyone will going to commit arson on that even if they perpared to do so.
If it was churches in generals, debatable.
In April of 2015, a channel called Elite Facts produced their first video being "12 Haunting Facts About Titanic". Which among other ridiculous statements said "Titanic was the last ship to be sunk by an iceberg". So I, a 14 year old passionate Titanic Fan created a comment in all caps exposing their lies. This in turn created a thread where Elite Facts actually pretended like they were right, and much backlash from my comment was made which lead through a line of toxicity and hypocrisy in it too. It eventually reached around 450 replies over 3 years, including a month long thread by two people smack talking each other. A good 100 or so comments were purged from it, but the thread still remains. Elite Facts is still making hot garbage to this day.
You had the right idea, you just didnt execute it very well in that comment section... mans made a total ass out of himself
but i still totally agree with what you said, and I have been thinking the same thing about Elite Facts for a while
as an aviation enthusiast, their "fact videos" are total trash filled with misinformation
@@Sticknubhe probably knows that nobody will even try to fact-check him, which is why he continues to make videos like that. Purely for monetization.
@@CPorter who gives a fuck lol
@@Sticknub same with rail enthusiasts like me. at least boats and planes garner some interest these days, trains it seems lack any substance whatsoever. so I expect any channel, that isnt train-centric, will get most "facts" wrong as well.
Thank you for saying this. I’m from Southampton, and Titanic always means a lot to us historically. Out of the 1,500 people, over 500 were crew members who were from my city. A lot of our citizens lost family members, or knew people who lost people. We have a huge engineers memorial in the middle of town to commemorate them.
For people nowadays to think of it as just a movie and for there to be fun merchandise and memes about it bothers me in ways I can’t describe. Not that we can’t make jokes, but the emotional disconnect feels gross, in the same way 9/11 jokes or Pearl Harbour jokes feel gross.
Agreed.
Agreed! I'm from the US, and i vividly remember 9/11. My parents have shared their stories about what their parents were doing, and how they felt, when Pearl Harbor happened. It affects everyone in one form or another, especially those who have direct connections to the disaster, like you for example. If those 2 events i mentioned were to be commercialized in any way.. omg the outrage would be massive! And i believe Titanic should have the same respect as any other event in history
There are some pretty funny 9/11 jokes though. It kinda reminds me of that tragedy...
Pearl Harbour is slowly becoming that way, isn't it?
9/11 will probably be the same way
9/11 and Pearl Harbor jokes are just dark humor.
As a Ship's Nerd and somewhat historian i have only one thing to say: Thank you for this video from the bottom of my heart. For years i've been vocal about this issues. We don't do NOTHING compared to Titanic's commercialization. Even with events as fascinating that came prior to that we need to show respect and honor those whom lost their lives trying to save themseves and the others.
in my opinion the Titanic is like the Tyrannosaurus Rex of ships. No matter where you go, you'll hear about it.
@jdslyman The amount of videos on RUclips that use Queen Mary as a “haunted ship challenge” is staggering. I mean, I wouldn’t mind it as much if they took the teaching opportunity they have with the audience they have, but none of them do
as a rail enthusiast of all things british , i'd say that the Titanic is the Flying Scotsman of ships
Or like the 747 of ships
I understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t believe the 1997 movie was made purely for commercial profit. Certainly a lot of fat cat producers lived for it, but Cameron himself made the film because of his respect for the tragedy, and it shows in the end product. I watch this film every anniversary not because of a sick thrill or anything, I watch it out of respect for the victims of the tragedy. It’s quite beautiful. Sad that so many don’t see it like that.
I think the movie was repectable. It's the world of merch that it opened up, perhaps unintentionally. And I've been seeing Titanic jokes all week. Even someone trying to sell yarn with Titanic jokes.
He wasn’t too much talking about the movie. He was talking about the commercialization crap where they make and sell t shirts of Titanic sinking into the water.
5:53 My man, he literally says that he doesn't count the movie as the sick Commercialization he talks about. He only mentions that a few aspects are over exaggerated which is very fair to say and true imo.
Indeed. He made the film because he wanted to see the Wreck. Given the fact he went back to the wreck twice and made two documentaries on the subject shows he was far more interested in the ship and her history and not how much of a profit someone could make.
He didn't say Cameron's movie was purely for commercial profit
Very well said, the commercialization of the disaster has always irked me. Also, thank you for using my colorization in the video!
Any time, and it's unbelievably impressive! Where'd you learn?
Sorry for the super late reply lol, I actually am completely self taught. I use a mobile app called Ibispaint X, yes you read that right I do all my work on mobile, just goes to show you don't necessarily need good hardware for good work.
I once heard one of my classmates say “you can joke about the titanic, but 9/11 jokes are offensive”. I like to make jokes about disasters, sometimes things are too dark to take too seriously after they’ve happened, but even then, a level of respect for the events should be taken into consideration. If one tragedy is okay to joke about, so is the other.
With 9/11 at least most deaths were quick with only a few moments of terror. But imagine being in freezing cold water for 15 minutes or more slowly having your life taken away with the selfish people in lifeboats preferring to save their own lives over the lives of others
@@bigshipsexactly so I'd imagine it'd be the other way around, but NO! Why? Because the deaths of the many outweigh the deaths of the few
To me, it feels like it's a 100-year rule. That your aloud to joke a boot a tragedy if 100+ years have passed, but people from the Titanic, they died slowly, painfully, in the ice, poor b***ards, but in 9/11 a lot of the people died because they fell, which I'd personally rather die from fall damage than from cold damage
It's like Titanic was like 1912's 9/11
@@bigshipsthey weren't selfish, they either go back and get their boat swamped, killing everyone onboard and not saving anyone in the water, or at least try to save themselves.
Imagine it was you in that situation
Your classmate was absoludly right, a great example are the "my grandfather told them she would sink" and the pool joke. 9/11 has almost no jokes like those, the closest one is "my dad died that day, he was the pilot".
"Have you heard about this ocean liner from over a century ago ..."
"You mean the Titanic?"
"... that hit an iceberg near Newfoundland with over a thousand passengers on board ..."
"Everybody knows about the Titanic!"
"... and suffered a crushed bow, but was still able to complete her voyage to New York."
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The ship was the SS Kronprinz Wilhelm, and the date was July 8, 1907, five years before the sinking of the Titanic.
Just....*facepalm*.
@@ukaszwalczak1154 Think about it.
You are an engineer, working for Harland & Wolff back in 1908 as part of the design team for three new ships, ordered by the White Star Line.
Somebody says:
"Remeber that german passenger ship that hit a huge iceberg last year."
"But that happend in dense fog, The SS Krownprinz Wilhelm is half the size, they could close the doors of the watertight compartments in 30 seconds and there wasn't much damage to the hull anyway."
That ship is also a future video!
Ah yes, one of the Four Flyers! With as much respect and admiration I have for these legendary liners, I didn't know the *Kronprinz* had hit an iceberg within her lifetime! The more you know!
Overall I agree with this sentiment. The only pieces of Titanic "merchandise" I own and would care to own are things that try to be as accurate and honorable/respectful as possible. I'd say the merch that the THG crew does is among the best I've seen in that regard. I have some reproduction memorabilia of post cards, brochures, tickets, advert posters and other things of that sort that were period accurate that I think are pretty cool.
And I think models of the ship which act as a way to keep the ship alive as she was intended to be seen are crucially important as we get closer and closer to the wreck eventually decaying/collapsing and thus the actual Titanic will no longer physically exist within our lifetime. I'm currently building the official LEGO Titanic model that came out last year and I have to give credit for how respectful it and the designers were to the event. The model and the added tidbits of trivia in the instruction books are clearly meant to celebrate the ship itself and the marvel of engineering she was. I have not seen a single reference to the sinking itself, it's about Titanic the ship, not Titanic the tragedy.
I do understand Models, books, and the reproduction tickets, postcards, or even reproduction china, but the toys, goofy candles and clothing are a bit much.
As much as I am interested in the Titanic and I am glad that the ship has been memorialised for future generations, yes, I do feel that she and her sudden demise has been milked to certain dessication. We've had a gazillion documentaries and movies of varying quality, video games, songs, etc. but some of them have ultimately cheapened the disaster just as how some felt that Christmas has lost its meaning.
A 9/11 joke is distasteful as it's still in everyone's minds, yet even if you can get away with a Titanic joke, I highly doubt that it would be a great idea to cash in on the tragedy by making a cheap gag and profit from it either. Not to mention that some of the figures involved like Bruce Ismay have been way more vilified than necessary as if they were the devil incarnate or something. We've turned the whole ordeal of 1912 into a theme park attraction and that isn't good.
Just to point out Ismay being vilified isn’t a recent idea but the result of an organised campaign of character assassination that happened immediately after the sinking.
False claims were published constantly like him dressing up as a woman to get on a lifeboat to the infamous telling Captain Smith to go faster
Not everything was respectful of the tragedy back then, especially not the shameless tabloid press..
Makes you think what they’ll do to 9/11 in 100 years
When I went to the Titanic Museum in 2017, I was uncomfortable with how many people were taking pictures and smiling in them. I mean, I get it, it can be really exciting to see the old artifacts, to see living history right in front you, but it still felt...well wrong and rather distasteful. I even had a hard time picking something out in the gift shop because I wanted a memento to remember the trip, but I didn't want to be tacky (I ended up picking a small magnet with the White Star Line logo that is placed next to my Titanic books on my bookshelf). Being a Titanic enthusiast is rather tricky; the history of it is fascinating, but you HAVE to know when to rein in your excitement for the thing and to remember it IS a tragedy, not your own personal TV show that sells merch.
GBM did a similar video on this comparing it to Costa Concardia and I cannot agree more with both of you guys. My senior project was on titanic and it's influence and the fact that 110 years later we still hear ships are "bigger than the Titanic" spoken as a selling point. Love the video my guy. I would love to see a reaction to Bright Side and their shit, but drawing attention to it probably makes it worse. Glad you said this though.
The only Bright Side videos I've ever watched and likely will ever watch was when they were discussing Titanic II, what would've been if Titanic never sank, and how/if we could raise the wreck. At least with those they did a decent enough job telling it as it is. Otherwise, they're straight garbage.
Bright Side is run by the same people behind the abysmal 5-Minute Crafts channel IIRC
Huge upvote for everything you say in this video and honored to be included in such a great group of ocean liner channels!
My man 🤝
If the Titanic is ad friendly years ago, then imagine 9/11 in 30 years
i can imagine my kid being like "daddy i wanna go to the 9/11 store!!"
God I was thinking the same thing
I remember with the first ever announcement of the Lego Titanic model, a lot of people complained they didn't include the iceberg.
I am glad that it was a celebration of the ship itself and her design rather than the tragedy.
Hol up-
Bruh people were talking on a youtube channel about including a proper breaking in half feature
that feature was to help with moving the model and it's not in half but thirds I own the set and it's literally just for convenience. Since they added the feature they might as well add visible interior for those sections.
As much as I hate to say it, this is human nature: make money out of everything one can. I went down to the site of the World Trade Center (I had been on the Observation area on the roof way back in '79 or '80. Still have the photos). This was when the remains had been cleared out, but the new tower not yet started. The perimeter was fenced off, and covered with tarps so you couldn't see in. But, surrounding that perimeter (and even for a block or 2 outside it), were tables set up with various sellers hawking crystal WTC's, T-shirts, baseball caps and the like. This was only a couple of years later. I found it repugnant (I think, however, I DID buy 1 or 2 items; I also realized that these might have been people with low income, who were trying to make a buck for their families. In this case, I guess I was as bad as anybody. At least they were small, inexpensive items).
The point being, no matter how tragic a catastrophe is, someone will find a way to commercialize and make money off of it. Even off an event that happened only 2 or 3 years before with twice TITANIC's death toll. Everything today is about the money, especially for an event that occurred a century + ago where there is no one left alive that experienced it. I'm sure there are gift shops at Gettysburg and the Little Big Horn. Come buy an authentic replica arrow tip! Nothing is sacred from commercialization.
(BTW, I bought a LUSITANIA T-shirt WAY back in the '80's. Think it was at one of the conventions. I went to the '87 THS one, and a couple of TI ones in the early '90's. Still have it, unworn, in one of the drawers somewhere).
Not to mention that unlike the _Titanic,_ the deaths during the September 11th Attacks were *definitely* intended.
It always pisses me off when bright side or some other click bait youtubers make up stories and pass off rumors as fact about the Titanic, i just hope one day there would be no more clickbait videos about Titanic.
Yeahhhh.... That's not gonna happen.
This cannot be more true. If you go and search up "Titanic" in the search bar on RUclips, most of the videos that you will see are videos with thumbnails or titles like "5 MYTHS ABOUT THE TITANIC DEBUNKED" with the first "myth" being the coal fire theory being "true". Then if you go down more you see people basically masturbating to Jack and Rose, then if you go down more you will see people inaccurately destroying Titanic in games. Only about 1% of the videos will be accurate to history. Just goes to show how badly we treat Titanic nowadays.
The worst thing is bright side existing.
It's always boggled me how marketers have been able to get away with this when you just _know_ that if they did this for the Hindenburg, the Holocaust, or 9/11, the fallout would be *astonishing.*
On a side-note, my great-great grandmother on my mom's side was actually meant to go on the Titanic, but her taxi got into an accident on the way to the harbor, so while she did survive the crash, she never made it on the voyage.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki was funny.
Babe wake up, a new nautical study video just dropped
dropped wake up, a new nautical study video just Babe
Got recommended this video after visiting the titanic museum in Branson Missouri
That's pretty normal, isn't it? Yes it is disrespectful, but we have stuff like that all over the world with mamy different tragedies. It's just easier when you feel disconnected from these events. If you don't know anybody who lived through that or even lived at the time, It doesn't really matter to you. The same thing will propably happen in 60-80 years about WTC, same as it is currently happening when it comes to WW2 topics.
Makes me wonder if the same thing is gonna happen to 9/11 by the 2100s, because by then most people won't have any emotional connection to it.
This is all true. The Titanic was one of the most horrible disasters in human history. Truley a disaster that killed over a thousand lives and ruined thousands more.
I kinda want that Hawaiian shirt though.
Thank you for this, I’m really glad to see someone talking about this.
We had one of those inflatable Titanic slides at our local carnival. Hate to admit it, but it was fun as hell.
I understand this a serious subject, and another channel (Ask A Mortician) has also touched on the issue that is capitalization and monetization of tragedy but holy hell:
"Until his 2010 Pocahontas remake" line had me rolling. Excellent work as always!
I hate to say it but commercialization happened quickly afterward. The films "I Survived the Titanic," "In Night and Ice" and "The Obsession" were all made within months of the tragedy.
At least, both were respectful towards the tradgedy.
It's very easy to forget the terrible human cost of something once you slap a price tag on it.
I'm actually from Liverpool, the city named on Titanic, Olympic, Britannic and many other ships stern. We have a maritime museum which for the 100th anniversary opened a Titanic exhibit, which was extremely interesting. Luckily they don't overcommercialise it too much there.
Yeah because on Britain and Ireland we still respect those lost unlike the yanks
I legit thought you called her RMS clickbait because she was called the unsinkable ship but then she sank '-'
Finally someone said it. It’s gross the shit people have done with this ship knowing full well that 1,496 people died and 700+ survivors more than likely suffered trauma.
The almighty dollar is too tempting for those clickbaiters
I have always loved old technology and old things in general, and I especially love not only Titanic, but all the ships at the time and how they worked. Titanic was a major part into why I got into mechanics and engineering because I just always was fascinated on how its engines worked. And how all machines at the time worked, that mixed in with my love of old fashioned things and music really went well. Because of Titanic I have learned so much about shipping, history, and the world from those times as well.
What's worse than commercialization? People thinking the Titanic wasn't a real ship, and calling people who correct them stupid. Like, mate, GO SEARCH UP VIDEOS OF THE TITANIC'S WRECK, did they just, put it up there for sh*ts and giggles? NO, THE THING SANK, AND NOW IT'S DOWN THERE.
my dads been saying for years that he thinks there'll be 9/11 themed bungie jump rides at carnivals in like a hundred years 😭
I believe you.
I hope so
I can’t wait till 2101 when I can buy Twin Tower miniatures
Very well said! My only quibble would be that people did indeed rush to commercialize the sinking. A dramatized short film was released just a month after the sinking. In fact, there were three such movies produced in 1912. It seems like many people found them to be in poor taste, but those films ultimately sold really well at the box office. Sadly the urge to cash in on tragedy isn't a recent phenomenon.
I've thought about this for about as long as I've been into naval history. You really hit the topic out of the park.
Especially seeing the blow up Titanic slide is a big Yikes.
Personally, Titanic gives me a strange sense of longing; of longing to be there, to see it, to experience it. Not the tragedy, of course, this feeling is almost removed that from that. Almost. Having a passionate obsession for something involved in a tragic event can make you forget about how awful it really was. With Titanic, I think the obsession and passion actually ties into how awful it was. We can't comfort and empathize with the survivors directly because they're gone. The next best thing to fill that void in our hearts is a bittersweet longing for what the ship was like April 13th and prior. The beauty and glory and power and hope Cameron's film beautifully shows. We want to know everything about that ship in its brief heyday because we wish it was like that forever. We wish the passengers had experienced it that way and lived. Then greedy bastards come in with snow globes and candles, preying on societies new understanding of connecting with the tragedy. I firmly believe Cameron's film is one of, if not the greatest production of all time and perfectly captures this longing, bittersweet feeling that comes with Titanic today. It's a shame that reaching that meant Titanic firmly being a cash cow for the insensitive.
Sometimes irritates me hearing about stuff like movies and tv shows being cannceled because a plane was flying in a city near towers if thats dissrespetful for 9/11 why shouldnt it be for titanic
I personally think the bias stems from time and the way media covered it. 9/11 was broadcasted live across virtually the whole globe, with all the details being filmed and made public. The jumpers, the fire, the smoke, the collapse, etc.. Also, 9/11 happened more recently than the Titanic sank. Additionally, as an American, I believe it might have to do with that the disaster being on our soil. Titanic sank in the North Atlantic, while the Twin Towers burned and collapsed on US soil. It was an attack on the nation, and I have a feeling Americans who witnessed the disaster unfold live on TV may feel differently than, let’s say, someone on the opposite side of the world who only hears about the disaster every now and again. I was not alive when the towers fell, and I only hear about 9/11 when it’s shoved down our throats in the school system every year. Usually when early September comes around. Ultimately, I never felt any personal connection to the World Trade Center or the following attack(s). In fact, I’ve never been to New York City. As stated in the video, the historical disconnection also plays a part since the last witness of Titanic’s sinking is dead. I believe it may also have been through monkey-see-monkey-do behavior. Once one person commercializes the Titanic’s sinking, other people may do it, and some people may do it in a more distasteful and crass way, which will inspire people to one-up that crassness and do something worse with it.
I’m not saying I condone nor am I defending the commercialization of the Sinking of the Titanic, these are just the reasons why I, personally, believe 9/11 is treated differently from other disasters like the Titanic’s sinking. Hope this helps!
Wearing a shirt of a sinking Titanic: 👍
Wearing a shirt of the twin towers burning: 👎
Good video and great points. The Titanic is one of the most discussed subjects in history, behind Jesus Christ and the American Civil War. When the ‘97 movie came out, they sold everything from T shirts to salt and pepper shakers. It was a little disappointing after awhile. There were liners that followed that were just as grand and beautiful as Titanic, particularly the Normandie. Great video!
When they make those type of clickbaits and other senseless stuff it's just a insult to the ship and people we lost that night. Great video bro 😀
Yes, thank you!!! I work for a pretty big RUclips channel and it's so fucking annoying to me when they give me scripts about Titanic because it's "trendy". Like, they want me to give some conspiracy theories, clickbait titles and shit, and it always bugs me the wrong way. Imagine if they did something like this with 9/11 or something. It's ok to make videos about the tragedy, but there are like 30 of them on this channel! I'm so pissed. Thank you for bringing this up.
Which channel would that be, if you don’t mind me asking?
"Titanic Swim Team"? Unbelievable. There's a T shirt you can get in Belfast that's a little bit more tasteful. It says "Titanic: it was fine when it left here".
I had this very very faint memory of seeing the Titanic blow up slide as a kid. It was at some carnival or something. I was probably like 3 or 4 at the time. When I found out it was real and I hadn’t made it up in my head, I had no words. 😂
I was fascinated by the Titanic and was thrilled when the wreck was found in 1985. Then Ballard went back in 1987 with the Alvin and did a much more systematic overview of the wreck site. Seeing the debris field and all the empty pairs of shoes that was all that remained of the dead left me sick at heart. Because the location of the wreck was not kept secret, there have been multiple trips to the wreck, scrounging for artifacts and damaging the wreck further in what is, to me, a form of desecration.
As for movies, I confess preferred the old '50s movie, "A Night to Remember," over Cameron's film.
I personally have no issue with salvaging small items and doing research dives, but when it comes to literal tourism, that's where the line should be drawn
The commercialization of disasters is wrong, perhaps it stems from some people’s fascination with it and then it gets to the point that they forget it’s a tragedy.
It is interesting to note that they made the first Titanic movie months after the disaster and it starred an actual survivor of the accident. She even wore the same outfit she had on the night of the disaster.
What's the problem with my 9/11 mug? It matches my twin towers t-shirt! It even has an airplane on the back.
5:43 You know, I like FNaF. I also like the Titanic.
But for the love of God, some things just should not go together! It really is sad that we live in a world where people make children's videos about haunted animatronics on board a ship known for its tragic sinking.
I have to agree completely about commercialisation it is a horrid thing.
Jesus those quotes really showed me how terrifying it was, it’s so romanticised these days, the deaths of near a thousand people.
It’s almost sickening
I love gore
It’s mostly the men who died.
can't wait for 90 years in the future for the 9/11 scented candles with a scent you'll never forget
This is a great video, as a bit of a youngster myself I haven’t really thought of the titanic as a similar disaster to 9/11, because 9/11 is still in the living memory, and it really does mean a lot that you have tried to make this issue heard, because this issue means a lot, you changed my perspective on the matter, and I think that this issue needs to be heard even by even more than just me!
I completely agree wholeheartedly agree, granted I’d say like models including the Lego set which I of course really plan to buy because I know it’s tacky but this set is like a one time thing
Anyways I love this video
Ah yes, the legendary story of Freddy Fazbear escaping the sinking titanic in gta 5. Appealing to children for money is destroying the media
How do I punch someone through the internet, I want to do that with every employee of Bright Side’s creators.
I'm noticing a lot of people criticizing Bright Side here, keep it up!
As much as I love Historic Travels, doesn’t he also commercialize Titanic in his own gain as well ?
For his store, his merch is filled with the silhouette that is based of the Titanic. and I think it’s rather obvious why he chose the silhouette of an Olympic class liner over other ships like QM…money and attraction
His pateron rankings are based of Titanic officers ranking. Normally I would say officer rankings are rather general, but HT included the specific photos of Titanic’s officers for each ranking, and again, this would lead to more gain rather than just a plain title of “Chief officer”, “First officer”…etc.
And in his Discord, members that boost his channel are able to get the “tag” of “The guarantee group” which is obvious something directly related to the Titanic herself. Instead of just giving related members a “server booster” tag, he had to rename the tag into something that is correlated Titanic in order to increase the incentive.
Don’t get me wrong, I love HT, but if these so called “respected” RUclipsrs are doing the same thing, I can’t really blame the others for doing the same commercialization for own profit and gain
i agree full hart with all of this thank you for putting it out there i myself am not happy to see people using everyone's favorite 4 funneled ship in such a bad way
It’s kinda like Pearl Harbor, but that plunged us into a war.
Ive always hated how this happened. Ive always hated how a disaster was turned into a romance film. Its a disgrace to the victims. And just because it was over 100 years ago does not make it ok.
Surprised titanic 666 wasn’t mentioned, that was the definition of a cash-grab
Im glad you pointed out historic travels and honor and glory. But you Forgot the best one Oceanliner designs . Im sure the other guys are great and I've seen their videos as well. So no offense bu5 Mike Brady is No.1 😊
Could you do a video on the sinking of the Indianapolis?
A very tasteful and tactful take on the tragedy while being unmistakably Nautical Study, Well done and keep up the good work.
Titanic has been in my heart ever since James Cameron's movie came out. It's the reason why I have a passion for ocean liners today.
All the lies and commercialization being made up on Titanic really hurts her significance, to show us no matter how advanced humanity is, we will never be able to beat nature.
Another thing that bothers me is that every ship people look at is now thought of as the _Titanic._ The general public can’t even be bothered to count the number of funnels that a contemporary ship has, which is a skill that they should have learned before preschool. This goes doubly for this Kansan, where the commercialization is is only exposure that many of those people in my town have to the _Titanic._
The reason I know this to be true is because of my “business” of selling illustrations of fictitious ships. Whenever I try to sell my artwork, more often than not, people would think that my illustrations were of the _Titanic,_ which happened so often that I started charging 10¢ to those who are too ignorant to tell, which doubles if they do so intentionally. People will literally refer to these ships as _Titanic_ by saying her name a dozen times, which I see as the equivalent of me showing a fictitious building to them and them saying, “World Trade Center” six or seven times when I try to correct them.
Before this video came out, I only had one reason not to make illustrations of real ships, that being a fear of getting the proportions wrong. But now this video gives me a second reason: Exploitation of a tragedy. There are countless videos that claim to be lost footage that is really just footage from the Cameron film in B&W with a grainy filter. The worst part about these lying opportunists is that it works: People _fall_ for it and don’t even question the logic of someone filming a ship during her death throes and losing all forms of self-preservation.
Thomas Lynskey worded this problem in the briefest yet best way, saying that those who exploit the tragedy are “doing a huge disservice and dishonor to the 1,496 people who died in the sinking of the _Titanic,_ and the 700 or so survivors who had to live with it for the rest of their lives.” This statement does not diminish this channel, but it does summarize it the best.
But as long as channels like these ones continue to survive-no, thrive, and show people not to believe everything on the internet, then all of their efforts will have been worth it. There are stories of people who died where the sadness comes not from their loss, but from the lives that they left behind: Officer Murdoch’s only regret was that he and his beloved Ada never had children. Chief Officer Wilde was due to be given his first command upon his return, allowing him to come to terms with his wife’s death. And of course, while I doubt that it would have been at the maiden voyage’s conclusion, Captain Smith was due to retire and live out his last years with his wife and daughter. All of these make for moving stories that have scarcely been touched in any media.
We all praise _ANTR_ for its historical accuracy, but one thing that we fail to remember is that their portrayal of Smith gained the approval of his family. That surely must mean something?
I leave you with Charles Lightoller’s lament to Colonel Gracie at the end of the film, which is probably one of, if not my favorite scene from the film. As per films of the 50s, there is no music to draw at the heartstrings, but merely his words that make you think:
_“No seaman ever thinks he is. I’ve been at sea since I was a boy. I’ve been in sail, I’ve even been shipwrecked before, but this is different…No. Because we were so sure. Because even though it’s happened, it’s still unbelievable. I don’t think I’ll ever feel sure again-about anything.”_
You should discuss this with your therapist.
That was long but true
its just like people calling Africa a county.
@@areyoujelton I have.
That is normal. Not everyone is an ocean liner enthusiast, and when they see something that relates to a famous incident/object in any sort of way , they will think of that object instantly, cause it’s their only knowledge. Everyone have different expertise in knowledge, so can’t really blame them.
Alright: I'll give you a pass on calling her the Clickbait. I get it. Frankly I should've known this is what you meant, so I guess I'm also a bit guilty of what Titanic and her story have become today despite my best efforts. The one thing worse than the tragedy is that it is no longer treated with the same amount of reverence and respect these days. No excuses for it either: we just need to straighten up a bit and work on that. My respect for you went up a thousand-fold. Happy Easter to you too my friend. 🤝
Anyway, potential Limperator video I see on the way? :D
I got lots of ideas for her……stay tuned….
My sister's junior prom was Titanic themed.... It had always made me uncomfortable and I'm glad someone else is talking about the commercialization.
"About this time, people began jumping from the…" sounds eerily familiar to me but to each their own
*Cough* 9/11 *cough*
I wish the RMS Olympic was more talked about in media. Same with the Lusitania, Mauretania and Britannic.
In one of Bright Side's recent videos, they put the bear from Five Nights at Freddy on THE TITANIC. I'm not even joking, they're seriously so up their ass about this shit.
A contrary view: you can rightfully decry cheap commercialism, but who today mourns - or even remembers - the 840 who died on the Empress of Ireland sinking? Who today mourns for the - what, 7,000? 9,000? - lives lost in the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff? Who today has even HEARD of the Gustloff tragedy? The memory and tragedy of Titanic has been kept alive by people with perhaps a variety of motivatIons, but at the end of the day, the story of Titanic and its people lives on, and today and tomorrow there will be memorial services for those lost. That’s more than can be said about a host of other tragedies, nautical or otherwise.
Or the Doña Paz for that matter, considering how the death toll could fit several Titanics. That one was far more tragic, I must say.
@jdslyman people know Luisitania way more than Gustloff or Doña Paz.
"His 2010 'Pocahontas' remake."
Top quality content. Well-spoken and you shined a light on something that most people never even think about. Thank you for doing this.
This is no different than tourist activities and swag for the Colosseum in Rome, Civil War battles or any other historical event where people died badly. I've even seen the "commercialization" of a castle in Belgium that had a 'torture museum' with a gift shop in its dungeon (which means we're talking about people intentionally killed in some of the most horrific manners you can imagine). Nothing new here. Sure, selling Auschwitz swag would be considered pretty bad taste by many (though it probably has happened), but I think the line for that is well above a ship sinking. My late uncle was a geologist and archeologist and he told me that the ONLY difference between grave-robbing and archelogy is how much time has elapsed. In other words, the longer it's been, the less anyone gets into an uproar over it. Just ask anyone looking at all that Egyptian pharaoh stuff in various museums; just think of all the horror that took place to create much of that. While I DO get your point, this issue is only going to irritate you more as time goes on. And don't forget; people DID commercialize the sinking of the Titanic even when it happened! I've seen souvenirs of the sinking on display at Southampton a few years ago, made soon after the ship went down. Again, nothing new here!
I actually audibly gasped at the “Titanic swim team” shirts. Totally insensitive.
I got to say this is pretty much what is happening yes. You explained it all very well
Honestly half the titanic commercialisation is probably from the fact they were desperate to convince people to visit Belfast.
Stay at the worlds most bombed hotel wasn’t really a great selling point either. Then when the Europa lost that title to the Baghdad Hilton, Titanic was all they had until Game of Thrones came to town.
Kinda reminds me of those god awful 9/11 memes…
i love the titanic, and her sisters. the class of ships were incredible for their time, i dont like the memes at all, but i do love listening to the engine sounds of those triple expansion engines and the fact that at her time her class was the largest to ever sail the seas, i think its wrong to make jokes about what happened and, romanticizing it isnt something we should be doing, but models and say teasets modelled after stuff on the titanic is pretty cool, if im a collector of ship memorabilia it allows me to display something from the ship, to talk about it with friends and such. her story is a tragic one but she really was a marvel of engineering for her time.
Well said.
I always loved the Titanic, and i think this problem is why some ship enthusiasts don't.
So many people talk about the Titanic and don't acknowledge the human cost of this disaster. Meanwhile companies and RUclips channels like Bright Side pump out so many crappy Titanic videos and documentaries coming up with nonsense and getting so much wrong about the True story of the Titanic, but they don't care, There capitalizing on just the name 'Titanic' which i think is very disrespectful to the disaster, it was a real tragedy that killed 1,496 people, ruined so many lives, and changed regulations on an entire industry, and i think the Titanic should be remembered that way.
Can’t wait for the 9/11 Lego set!
The Titanic wasn't just the pinnacle of shipbuilding then... *It still is.*
The design was made to be the most sink-proof yet, and is still one of the best to this day. The amount of compartments it had meant that the only way it could sink is if something ripped across practically the entire length of the ship and tore every compartment wide open. A freak event, shouldn't be possible. What happened on that night? That exact thing.
I believe what doomed the ship is the statement, "Not even God could sink this ship!"
You do *not* tempt God.
there’s pretty much no coherent evidence that ANYONE said “God himself cannot sink this ship” or anything of the sort.
Just a fabricated story element to give the story a more “poetic” existence.
Video idea: good vs bad ship movies!.
Bruh titanic 2 and titanic 666
Britannic 2000 for the inclusion, because it was the birth place of so many misconceptions
Aside from a single song, you don't see people marketing the Edmund Fitzgerald, and the song is actually super sad.
It's easy to not realize that after Titanic went under, the sound of the people in the water was similar to that of a small stadium. That's how many people there were. Utterly terrifying to hear from a lifeboat. Historical disconnect is a real thing. I shudder to imagine a day when there is an "I'd Hit That" T-shirt with a 767 and a skyscraper. But, I'm sure that day will come.
I honestly didn't realize the sinking was so commercialized. I'm honestly kinda disgusted by it.
The commercialization of Titanic truly is disgusting. 9/11 themed cartoonish merchandise and scented candles would be met with disgust.
I'm glad that you spoke up about this topic! The over commercialism of Titanic its sad and disrespectful to the survivors and to an extent victims of other ship sinking largely over shadowed by the popularity and over commercialism of the sinking Titanic!
I think bride side is a pure example when it comes with makeing garbage just to make money
I was interested in the Titanic as a kid and was lucky enough to meet Dr Ballard and that fueled my love for the history even more. Went to the titanic museum when it came here probably three times and picked up a board game about the titanic. That was a little commercial but I think the Titanic board game was also good for kids to have them think more about it and enjoy learning on the history of it more. The game was about getting from steerage to a lifeboat traveling through the second class, first class, and dining section before getting out on the deck and to a lifeboat. With needing to get your passport, medical check, and some other documents before you could leave steerage. It was an interesting thing and I’m a little mixed on it but for kids I think it was a good thing and mixed in a lot of history into the gameplay.
You know what this disaster is missing?
A bunch of talking animals and a song done in a musical genre that won’t exist for at least seventy years.
The titanic thomas in the thumbnail
Great tragedy of the commercialisation is the fact that a large piece of the wreck now sits in a casino in Las Vegas rather than a museum or memorial.
This is a interesting take, but you didn't go nearly deep enough to justify it. I hope you do a more in depth video about it someday. As for now, i think that when something like this became a cultural common denominator, it ends up being normalized in a way that other tragedies are not, it's bigger than a lack of empathy in a individual level, we just how our mind deal with these all consuming events, it doesn't occupy the "tragedy" box in our head and start to occupy the "event" box. (Sorry if my comment is not clear, English is not my forte)