👋 Why F1's FAKE manufacturer is gone
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- Опубликовано: 15 дек 2023
- Alfa Romeo's weird sort-of F1 comeback is over, with the Sauber team rebranding for the next two years before it becomes Audi for 2026. Could Alfa have stayed in F1 though?
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They may not have known how to make an f1 car, but they sure knew how to design a livery
pure Truth
Too bad they didn't apply that knowledge given their liveries were mid to garbage
@@dymrjones8746tf are u on bro
Legit. The special livery for Vegas was a visual orgasm too
@@dymrjones8746you forgot to clean your glasses it seems
I can’t wait for Haas to rebrand as “Raid Shadow Legends Haas F1”
Just anything other than a Bitcoin or NFT brand!
Or PUBG Sauber F1
Bruh Fortnite Haas F1 team is soo much more cursed😵💫. On the pluss side you can gett Kmag as a skinn if you scann his billboard on the track
Can't wait for NordVPN Haas team
Manscaped Haas F1
Now we have the worst F1 team name ever for 2 years. Hopefully the commentary teams just call them Sauber.
Almost as bad as their 2010 entry, BMW Sauber F1 Team… powered by Ferrari
Can't remember anyone calling AMR the Cognizant Aston Martin Aramco F1 team instead of just Aston Martin
@@gabrieltenguan4470 Aston has never had a title sponsor before their own team name. I'm hoping just because the name Sauber still exists the commentary teams will get away with just calling them by that. Rather than being forced to refer to the sponsor names.
Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber or something like that
Literally no team is called by its entire name besides maybe Redbull but that’s not even the full name 😂😂😂 why would it be any different now. New F1 fans just love to cry. No wonder all the drivers are started to voice their hatred for these new “fans”
Man does "Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber" really roll off the tongue though. 🤣
Stake f1 team about to kick sauber. Why? No clue, but they're kicking em.
haha. I had to go and read the news and come back to comment. What an absolute hilarious name, kick sauber!!!
Like its already destined to be needed to be kicked to get around!!!
More like Beef Steak F1 Kick Sauber @$$
Stake F1 Team 🦶 Sauber
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It's a shame that Alfa Romeo-Haas didn't came to be, that would have been the perfect mix of uselessness.
🤣🤣
I hate how right you are…
Alfa romeo🥰🥰
I literally laughed out loud reading this 😂😂😂 made my day, thanks
So a team being a backmarker makes them useless and should be ignored, gotcha. Williams is useless as well as alfa tauri
@@colonelclappers Williams is competently ran team with great history, while Alpha Tauri's purpose is to nurture RB juniors.
Alfa and Haas just kinda exist and add nothing worthwhile to the grid.
"Haas's full identity"? What identity? Did they ever have one?
Outside of F1 yeah. Theres a reason they named one the PS1 Indycar games Newman Haas Racing
Haas values its name. If it turned up on the grid to be called an Alfa Romeo from then on instead of just Haas, that's 23 races where the Haas name won't be used and people would simply call it the alfa romeo and many more times on TV when showing moments of them.
Haas relies on the team being called out for publicity and popularity. It's the main reason they are here in F1, to popularize the Haas CNC machining business
@@prithviraj.r5734is that why mazepin spun so much? "OH theres a haas spinning. i wonder who that could be"😂
@@KA._.144 Huh? What does mazepin spinning have to do with this? How about Romain and Kev getting a P4 and 5 finish at Austria? Kev's pole? Nico almost getting a podium at Australia, Mick's Q2 at Turkey? You could only think of mazepin cuz you don't like Haas and you don't like him either. Plus it's still publicity at the end of the day🤷♂️
@@prithviraj.r5734 you must be a mazepin fan. whoever i replied to said haas wants their name to be said and thats why they didnt sell to alfa, mazepin spinning caused the commentators to say he spun, usually something along the lines of "OH, theres a haas spinning(camera cuts to mazepin in the gravel trap) it was mazepin who spun again"
Not exactly a "new" twist, since Lotus did exactly the same thing with the Enstone team (now Alpine) in 2012-15.
20 mil was a bargain
It was a cool looking livery while it lasted
Somehow, it made it feel to believe that they should have swap to Honda back then. Even tho i was against it as well back then
Definitely, I was in the same boat thinking that Vassuer coming in and immediately cancelling the Honda deal was a good sign and initially it looked like Sauber were back in 2018 and 2019. But which how quickly they fell off after, and how Honda was developed since then, I wonder how things would have gone? Obviously not as good as with Red Bull but surely better than recently
Just Haas bottling another thing
It was the right thing to do🤷♂️
Haas values its name. If it turned up on the grid to be called an Alfa Romeo from then on instead of just Haas, that's 23 races where the Haas name won't be used and people would simply call it the alfa romeo and many more times on TV when showing moments of them.
Haas relies on the team being called out for publicity and popularity. It's the main reason they are here in F1, to popularize the Haas CNC machining business
Honestly, if I was haas, I'd PAY to have a name like Alfa even be remotely related to such a prestigious Italian marque. The fact they have already have a ferrari partnership and Alfa was offering money for this, it's incredible they turned it down.
Gene Haas wants to sell the team down the line. It makes way for sense to keep the name Haas to increase sale price.
It was the right thing to do🤷♂️
Haas values its name. If it turned up on the grid to be called an Alfa Romeo from then on instead of just Haas, that's 23 races where the Haas name won't be used and people would simply call it the alfa romeo and many more times on TV when showing moments of them.
Haas relies on the team being called out for publicity and popularity. It's the main reason they are here in F1, to popularize the Haas CNC machining business
It's like the anti Lamborghini, one pretended to be a works team and the other pretended that it didn't have a works team
Sauber has been in F1 for such a long time now that I really hope when Audi comes in their name stays in the title too. It's been done before (BMW Sauber)
It won't
What if Honda also powered Sauber along with (eventually) the 2 Red Bull owned teams? That would’ve been interesting to see.
20m to be the title sponsor and not with another team name with it. That's a bargain
Someone probably asked Alfa, sooooo... what "value" do you bring
Sponsorship money
Kerosene abt to play :
I got into F1 in 2021 and never knew Alfa Romeo wasn't the real team name ive never heard of Sauber
Read a book about single seater motor racing?
Alfa should build a hypercar for WEC/IMSA
Saloon car racing is their spot now. Please Alfa
Alfa Romeo to WEC?!
But god forbid the fia lets Andretti on the grid right.......
sauber missed the best engine in recent years with ditching Honda
If I'm IndyCar, I push heavily to attract Alfa Romeo to badge an engine in IndyCar to satiate Honda and Chevy so that more engines are available on the grid and takes some of the responsibility off of Honda's shoulders.
How good are the Alfa Romeo cars anyways? I haven’t seen a single one in London
The irony is F1s current teams are ok with a customer team with a temp sponsor but a temp customer deal with a full works team coming is wrong. Andretti got robbed.
I hear this sort of argument a lot. But I haven't seen Andretti winning anything in a car built by themselves. Where is the proof of their capabilities (financial side set aside)?
@@cwc6632how are they gonna prove they can win in F1 if you won't let them race?? What kind of 🤡 ass question is this?
@@Zeiss120 The same way you aren't qualified to fight Mike Tyson. Andretti is in the junior league in comparison to F1.
@@cwc6632 thanks for another dumb comment with no merit.
@@Zeiss120 I am sorry I offended your national pride, but how many new teams have joined the NFL in the last decade? The American psyche's reaction was inevitable and predictable.
Gray Sandiego… it does have a ring to it. Better than Carmen Calloway, that’s for sure😅
I swear, if they married and Gray took her last name it would be so wholesome
How were they ever supposed to be a “real” manufacturer when F1 won’t even let General Motors join the grid?
Candice who?
-can dis low come in yo crib -Lemar
Please don’t tell me I’m really about to hear kick sauber for every gp
What's the use of doing these things... Everyone knows only 4 teams, Red Bull, Ferrari, Mercedes and McLaren are only the teams that can win a race
Monza; 2020
@@SDTimmy23 Monza 2000, winner Michael Schumacher...Team Ferrari. Maybe you are trying to quote Sebastian Vettel Torro Rosso win🤣😅😄😂 2008, check your facts first😄 That was not even a race, it's a wet race
@@joey_83how about reading his comment first and rather not answer than giving nonsense. Gasly won the Monza GP in 2020. Nobody said 2000😂
@@trillix6244 win by fluke
@@joey_83 I assume you’re dyslexic, goodluck with life.
AR is quite smart. Bu don't be fool. AR is a luxury car and advertising to the champagne drinkers above the pit are just sort of market they were targeting.
Alfa should become an engine manufacturer for indycar.
Sick dude
This video is garbage to call Alfa Romeo as a “fake car manufacturer” when they were simply a title sponsor. You folks seem to forget when Aston Martin was a “fake manufacturer” for Red Bull before a Canadian had to bail them out.
No one forgot. Infinity even did it with RB before Aston did. Everyone thought the same of Aston and Infinity at the time. Difference now is Aston went the next step.
@@seashackf1Yeah but Renualt and Infinity were kinda the same thing, just dif branding
Exactly. Alfa Romeo never claimed to be the manifacturer. It was for everyone clear they were only name sponsors.
First of all it’s saying fake ‘F1’ manufacturer not car, second they weren’t simply a title sponsor they acted as if it was their team calling it Alfa Romeo racing with the only indication it was sauber underneath with a tiny ‘sauber engineering’ logo or something, third Aston Martin was just a sponsor for red bull no more, the team was still definitely ‘red bull racing’
@@seashackf1 that's because Renault wanted to market and push infinity, which is a brand they have a big investment in Nissan.
20 Million a year.
I'd change my name to Alfa Romeo for half of that. 👀
You are not wrong but as an Alfa historic fan, I am incredibly offended.
So before 2026 sauber sold it's name rights and after 2026 the team sauber will no longer be there and whole team will be replaced by Audi? Or Audi bought the name rights
Audi will purchase remaining percentage from team owners and will change the name to Audi Sport
"Full Audi works team by 2026"
Still enough time for VAG to leave as usual.
Haas is really a group of clowns 😂
"A bunch of f*king wankers" ;p
Haas are an American company in their own right who produce and sell machinery, so having “Haas” on the car is a commercial deal that brings them brand recognition and helps them sell products.
@@JakeM218 Who said they're not allowed to put their logo on the car or even call it Haas Alfa Romeo? They're struggling to collect enough money to use the cost cap to it's full extend, but are turning down negotiations about a lucrative sponsoring deal.
I've worked in the CNC machining industry, their products aren't for a wide spread audience and those interested in their products don't need F1 to decide if they want to buy a Haas CNC machine or not. They're in F1 since 2016 and reached enough people to put their name on the map.
@@AndyHack10 The current budget cap is based on what Haas spent in 2018. It’s a relatively small amount and pretty much all F1 teams are able to hit the budget cap, and profitable now.
In 2022, Haas were just slightly under the budget cap but were still massively outspending Alpine (Otmars own words).
With Moneygram, they’ve stated that they completed maxed out the budget cap in 2023.
They’re producing clever items like their small pit crew setup, not to save money because they need it, but to allow more money for developing the car relative to the other teams.
@@AndyHack10 That's the whole strategy behind Alfa Romeo, to pretend to be an F1 Team. That's why "Alfa Romeo Sauber" changed to only "Alfa Romeo".
Haas would have to give up its name if it wanted to team up with Alfa Romeo, which apparently they didn't wanna do.
Pretty good business plan if you ask me
Hear me out, for thats same $20 million, indycar would love a third engine manufacturer...
But Andretti wasn't legit.....😮
Most of F1 car manufacturers are "fake".... Mercedes bought Mario Illien motors and Brawn team, Renault bought Lotus, Aston bought Racing Point/Force India and uses Merceded engines... so...
Wait until you find out most snack food companies are owned by like 3 companies because they were bought out by PepsiCo, Coca Cola, Unilever. They're all fake going by that logic.
And yet they wont let Andretti and Cadillac on the grid....
Because they want to be a completely new team. Nobody is stopping them from being a title sponsor.
Hopefully Audi aren’t getting cold feet. It’s been reported that they haven’t made their most recent payment to buy Sauber.
The reports are untrue
Alfa Romeo Sauber was basically a non existent team on the grid. Barely competitive and the definition of a back marker.
Or in other words, they've done what every other team in the grid has done with the exception of Ferrari and McLaren....
Absolute shocker 😂 nobody saw any of this coming... 🙄 come on lads! Or is this another classic case in point of yet another click bate?
Johnny Winchester
Currently Sauber Or Whatever It Called...... 😆😆😆😆😆
29/12/2023 08:26 At My Local Time.
Let Andretti in
Wait…did anyone else ACTUALLY believed that Alfa was developing an f1 car ? I thought everyone knew that Alfa was paid for by Ferrari
No? they never have been, it was just a sponsorship deal
They could have bought a team, use Ferrari engine and run the team by their own. It couldn't be worse than Sauber in the grid. Aston Martin has done a better job. We love to see more car brands in F1.
I know F1 is a business but I also agree with you. I love seeing car brands as teams in motorsport. (And Of course the occasional williams sort of thing)
And now we have shitty Stake car
Good
wtf haas
It was the right thing to do🤷♂️
Haas values its name. If it turned up on the grid to be called an Alfa Romeo from then on instead of just Haas, that's 23 races where the Haas name won't be used and people would simply call it the alfa romeo and many more times on TV when showing moments of them.
Haas relies on the team being called out for publicity and popularity. It's the main reason they are here in F1, to popularize the Haas CNC machining business
If Audi doesn't want to put their name on the car now, why not let Alfa put their name on it?
Audi already own a percentage of the team. I wouldn't pay money to support the opposition either.
I'm guess you forgot that Alfa Romeo won the first ever F1 world championship right?
What is the relevance of this in this context?
Is Alfa even a real car manufacturer anymore, or just another upmarket brand of Stallantis?
There are "stellantis"cars? 🤔
Why don't Alfa Romeo just partner up with Williams?
They use Mercedes engines, not Ferrari engines. Ferrari originally formed as a branch of Alfa Romeo, so the connection is organic there.
@@mrgalaxy396 Also Williams will almost never give up their name. Its too historic.
@@mrgalaxy396 fair point haha
@@ThisIsAitchthere was BMW Williams I think though?
No way Haas valued their team higher than Sauber 💀
The team itself no, the team name absolutely! Its one of 4 teams that have never changed the full team identity, and the 6th oldest name on the current grid!
@Christoph5782 6th oldest team name and Andretti who got rejected has more value in their name
@@wcapelingMaybe, but F1 did not think so. There is also nothing that Andretti have won in a car designed and build by themselves.
Only slightly "more fake" than McLaren or Aston Martin. Is it really a manufacturer if they don't make their own engines?
Say you are new to F1 without saying you are new to F1.
@@jasp1962 Been watching F1 since the 1980s. I stand by what I said.
> Jesper Sode replied: "Ian Hobday So in your opinion there is only 2 manufactors in F1 at the moment? Ferrari and Mercedes."
Not sure what happened to your reply Jesper, but while Alpine hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire they are a factory team. RBR is working on it too. The rest are all customer teams. Yes, Alfa was more so than McLaren or Aston but it's just a matter of degree. Compared to a factory team it's a huge difference.
Well, McLaren road cars only exist in the first place because of McLaren F1. So they are unlike the other two. AM and AR use the branding/likeness of vehicle manufacturers but have no actual connection to them so they don’t Manufacture anything outside of F1. None of them are Works teams. Manufacture does not equal Engine Manufacture in F1 speak. When Red Bull Powertrains (separate from the team) starts producing power units it will be an Engine Manufacturer. Red Bull Racing (the actual race team) will still be considered a Factory/Works team as they are now, not a Manufacturer.
I can't believe these jokers want to out Alpha and not the FIA for the sham end of the 2021 championship 👎👎
Found TeamLH
HAAS really do be delusional
It was the right thing to do🤷♂️
Haas values its name. If it turned up on the grid to be called an Alfa Romeo from then on instead of just Haas, that's 23 races where the Haas name won't be used and people would simply call it the alfa romeo and many more times on TV when showing moments of them.
Haas relies on the team being called out for publicity and popularity. It's the main reason they are here in F1, to popularize the Haas CNC machining business
@@prithviraj.r5734 lol
"F1's fake manufacturer", bro doesn't know that alfa made history in this sport
Tell us about the Alfa engine in the back of that “Alfa Romeo” the past few seasons. That’s why the guy is calling them a fake F1 manufacturer.
Grandpa times...Totally not relevant today and in this context.
Dude... Did Alfa steal your lunch money or something? "Masquerade as an f1 team"? Why are you so acid?
This was misleading
Haters gunna hate
Fake or not it was a beauty of a car, waay better than this stake bullshit
Since Aston Martin has not left I guess there will still be one fake F1 team on the grid
I am sorry, Aston actually own part of the team and don't just have naming rights of the team like Alfa who just paid for the team to be called Alfa Romeo and left it there🤷♂️. They use tech from F1 on the road cars and they actually contribute to them team as well🤷♂️
Just kick out Haas man. Ruining the eport. ANDRETTI instead atleast.
I’m sorry but I don’t care about that it’s just funny😅
Stake Kick Sauber Dogecoin Bad Dragon Trojan Condoms Wattpad Sauber F1 Team.
Stop with these fake headlines! ALFA ROMEO WAS A NAME SPONSOR and you know that! They never portrayed themselves as constructor! Stop making BLATANT LIES HEADLINES!
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Apanya ??
What mate?
If Alfa wants to stay on the grid so badly, they could, you know, make a new team...
They don’t want to do that though. They want their name on a team without having to pour tons of resources into doing it properly.
Ah yes, Scam F1 Team Scam Sauber! Racing alongside Aston Martin Fossil Fuel Barons and Mercedes-AMG Oil Extraction and Refining.
I would prefer Alfa Romeo or Sauber instead of Audi.
Audi is a fake high end car manufacturer. They are not prestigious enough for Formula 1. It's like having Toyota back.
What on earth are you talking about. Audi and Toyota dominated Le Mans, one of the most prestigious races in the world. Audi has a rich motorsports history, from Le Mans to the legendary Audi Quattro, one of the greatest rally cars ever built. If we're talking about prestige, few manufacturers are on Audi's level that aren't in F1 already.
"not presigious enough for formula 1" dude what are you smoking?
So many ignorant "fans" smoke some mad shit about audi not having enough prestige, learn the history of motorsport and then come back kid.
@@tuna5618 Please name the drivers who were on the first six rows of the grid when you first watched Formula 1!
@@mrgalaxy396 What on Earth are you talking about!
Prestige is not decided by sporting success.
It is decided by the quality of car manufacturer you are!
Ferrari, Mercedes, Aston Martin are all prestigious car manufacturers.
Audi and Toyota are not!
Rallying is not a prestigious motorsport. It's for road cars!
@@barnigranero5882 Explain to me then why F1-drivers have mad respect for Rally-drivers.
Audi was racing in group B, a class of utter madness, where road car versions were built only due to homologation-rules. The Audi Sport Quattro only shared its name and a few minor parts with the road-car version. Personally I'd choose an Audi R8 over a Mercedez or Ferrari everytime.
"Prestige is not decided by sporting success." If you win at Le-Mans multiple times and break records, it actually is. There have been plenty F1-teams who have never built anything but F1-cars.
I did not understand anything
I mean you pretend you're interesting we don't say anything about it
Aston martin is still there