American Reacts Should (and Could) Hungary be Expelled From NATO?
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NATO is a serious thing. Sweden wants to be Hungary's ally while being hostile to Hungary. The Hungarian government wanted them to talk and for there to be no hostility between the two countries. Sweden, on the other hand, closed itself off from all discussions. In fact, he treated the Hungarians condescendingly. Now the Swedes are finally starting to behave normally and talk to the Hungarians. The Hungarians did not ask for much, just that there should be a dialogue. On Monday, the Hungarian Parliament will vote on Swedish accession.
Turkey ratified Sweden's appllication a few days ago.
I think both Hungary and Turkey should (but it's not possible I know) should be thrown out of NATO. Hungary should also be thrown out of the EU...bloodsuckers.
Should the ones who vote against what we vote have the right to vote?
this is all quite revealing as to how the British and the US view their "allies"..
first of all..
the Hungarian government, as any government, is elected to act in the interest of their country and its people.. not in the interest of Sweden, NATO or the US.. Hungarian voters elected Orban, with more than 60% of the vote, because he does that..
having a two thirds majority in parliament is not anti-democratic.. it's just having a two thirds majority..
second..
Hungary is geographically way closer to Russia.. it is also a former Warzaw Pact State.. the treatment Hungary receives from NATO now, is the same it received from the Soviet Union during the Cold War..
it also has a way larger military than Sweden.. Sweden has 20000 men.. and btw a similar/slightly smaller population than Hungary..
third...
Sweden is strategically insignificant.. that's why nobody wanted them in NATO for 73 years..
fourth..
Europe is not your playing field.. I know it's nice to play war from an ocean away but Europeans may see it a bit different..
fifth..
oh please expell Hungary or revise the North Atlantic Treaty.. that's exactly what Putin wants.. as it proves the öie to all that "allyship" nonsense and reveals NATO as a tool of US military dominance in Europe...
sixth...
right now the US supports what the ICJ has officialy labeled a genocide in Gaza.. so keep your morality to yourself..
XD
"having a two thirds majority in parliament is not anti-democratic", yeah, but buying off anti-government media, spying on opposition, taking control of the judiciary and higher education is anti-democratic so shut it , russki trol
wtf. Such a backward reading of what’s going on right now lol. Way to back all the actual terrorist on one fell swoop. 😅
@@lillibitjohnson7293 you know what a map is right?
look at one and imagine Hungary is no longer in NATO.. what happens?
Romania and every NATO country south of it, is cut off from the rest of the NATO countries.. Hungary is the connector between the Central European and South/South-East European NATO countries, as well as Turkey..
not to mention, losing Hungary would create a corridor of neutral states from Western Ukrainian border through Hungary and Austria.. right into the heart of Europe, all the way to the South German and Swiss borders..
by which Russia could easily circumvent the NATO states of Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia and Croatia.. meaning Article 5 would, if at all, be triggered with Russia already at the German border and less than 400km from Ramstein Airforce Base..
that's how the Soviets did it in WW2..
@@drbenwaynewyersy9976 ffs . You backed the Nazis the first time and now want to back the bloody Russian Nazis again. Nobody cares what you dream of when it’s against the interests of Europe and d t(e civilised world.
Hungary isn’t an integral nato state. Hungary needs everyone else but nobody needs Hungary.
You are living in the world of "alternative facts".
1) Hungary is not a liberal democracy anymore. The playing field is not neutral, hence the "unusual" support. Yes, Orbán is popular, but he has used unfair means to get there. Hungary scores 66/100 on Freedom House's latest democracy rating. For reference, the US scores 83, and Sweden is a perfect 100. Hungary probably wouldn't stand a chance to join the EU if they applied today.
2) No. Hungary brought that upon themselves. Geography is irrelevant (see Georgia, Poland, Ukraine etc.). Military might is about more than personnel. It's 2024, not 1924. Technology matters. Sweden is a technological powerhouse.
3) Many people have wanted Sweden to join NATO (see the reaction to its application). It was Sweden who declined. Until Russia invaded Ukraine, a majority of Swedes were against NATO membership.
4) Anyone is allowed to have an opinion. Your mindset and argument reveal your nativist bias. You use childish arguments in a feeble attempt to protect your cherished conclusion.
5) It is in the interest of any organization, no matter its mission, to deal with rogue members who work against the interests of the larger community. All NATO countries joined out of their own will. Hungary is free to leave.
6) The ICJ has NOT labeled it a genocide. They ordered Israel to "prevent a genocide" (implying that it doesn't amount to one yet) and decided to proceed with the case (which is different from reaching a verdict). Also; two wrongs don't make a right. Hungary can still be in the wrong even if other countries are too (why is this always such a difficult point for smooth-brained nationalists?)
Apart from the obvious closeness of the Hungarian leader politics of WN to putin, the big reason Hungary is blocking Sweden is due to a TV documentary, I kid you not. SVT have good investigative journalists, they dug deep and showed the Hungarian leader syphoning off huge amount of EU funds for his and his family via false projects. This is what has pissed him off, asking Swedish diplomats to stop the programme lies etc etc with the usual dictator rhetoric.
That certainly annoyed him, but truth be told I think it has very little to do with Sweden per se. It's about balancing interests with powerful countries + using your bargaining chip to the best of your advantage (i.e. getting weapons/planes).
Indeed. Hungary is a very corrupt and undemocratic country that are very far away from NATO and EU.
"SVT have good investigative journalists, they dug deep and showed the Hungarian leader syphoning off huge amount of EU funds for his and his family via false projects. "
And yet,they cannot prove it, right?We have these accusations from Eva Kaili and jailbird Vera Jurova, to name two.
NATO was an anti Warsaw Pact alliance.
The Warsaw Pact is long gone.
NATO has no reason to exist and should be dismantled.
Or if it wasn't, Russia should have been accepted as a member when they asked for it, and thus the whole Ukrainian war could have been avoided, and the most powerful military alliance would have been formed in the world.
NATO these days fights America's wars for political gains abroad, ti is not a defensive alliance against the non existent Warsaw Pact.
Or Central European, Baltic and Balkan countries should leave the EU and NATO, and form their own, independent strictly economic (NOT political like the EU(SSR)) and military alliance between Russia and NATO. This way there would be a buffer zone between east and west, and the center would be strong enough that neither western Europe and the USA, or Russia would mess with them.
That picture of these beautiful buildings, is the city centre of Brussels. This place is called the Grote Markt in Dutch, and the Grand-Place in French. The most stunning gothic looking building, is Brussels city hall. It has been a UNESCO World Heritage Site since 1998.
Do you know why the then Soviet Union wanted to place nukes in Cuba in 1962 ?....because it was in response to the US wanting NATO nukes in Turkey pointed at Russia. This is what effectively kicked off the 'Cold War' On another point in reference to the narrators 'cheap shot' at Hungary, don't Switzerland & Austria (non NATO members) also get protection under the NATO umbrella against nukes?
"This is what effectively kicked off the 'Cold War'" You've either been missinformed or just frased what you intended to say poorly since, the cold war started immediately after the end of WW2, certainly NOT 1962!
@@Touchedbynature304 Please point to where I mentioned the "Iron Curtain"... But you are wrong, they ARE the same thing, that was the beginning of the hostile attitudes that fed the cold war. Classic attempt at introducing a straw man and then debunking it... only scored an own goal this time. Leave commenting to adults please!
@@Touchedbynature304 The narrator is exactly that, he DOES NOT WRITE the pieces, he just READS them!
By virtue of being landlocked and surrounded by NATO countries yes they do. Hungary however enjoys the protection of NATO and yet consistently acts against western interests. From an alliance point of view Hungary is a traitor. It should be removed from NATO and the EU. If they want to lick Putin's ass so bad let them be a Russian satellite state. No need to waste western European taxes funding and defending that third world country .
@@Touchedbynature304 When referring to the period after World War II through the 1980s, historians and, really, most Americans use the name "the Cold War." This term is intentional; it was popularized by journalist Walter Lippmann in 1947 to indicate that it was a war of words and ideas -- not a direct "hot" conflict with shots fired, death, and destruction.
The ‘Iron Curtain” was a term used in a WW-II speech by Winston Churchill to describe and criticize the efforts by the Soviet Union to install friendly regimes in every country liberated from the Nazi’s by the Red Army. It wasn’t an actual structure. So really it's the same
No country should have the right to veto in any organization where they are a member. If you fundamentaly disagree with the policies of that organization you could just leave (Brexit). And if one country is actively hurting or even militarily act against another member state., shouldn't that be a good reason for expulsion? Or at the very least implement a 2/3's majority decision on issues. You can never please everyone fully.
And a side note: Yes Sweden has (rightfully) criticized Orban for dismanteling the democracy in Hungary and thus breaking the rules of EU. But Orban has also critizised Sweden on several issues. Swedes can take it. Orban can not.
First of all if NATO and EU organisations continually bully and harass countries like Hungary you can expect a response. Heck Guy Verhofstad openly called on NATO to invade Hungary and "Delete" people.
Well.. Get in line Hungary..!!
@@theuralictribes5689
I think both Hungary and Turkey should (but it's not possible I know) should be thrown out of NATO. Hungary should also be thrown out of the EU...Bloodsucker Orban. I mean, some are saying, maybe the country, meaning its leader, will change...but by giving Hungary handouts is not the way, it must change by itself.. If one is in a club, one sticks to the rules. He is an authoritarian who would get on well with Trump and other US right-wing conservatives and I read recently he has become the darling of certain political circles in the United States.
Hungary with Orban is a bloodsucker and doesn't want to stick to neither EU nor NATO rules and should imo be thrown out. (cutting financial support for Hungary works), If the Hungarians who voted for him dislike the NATO or EU so much,
they should simply leave.. do a HEXIT...and see what happens then without the handouts from Brussels.
Erdogan is more or less a despot and like Hungary does not belong in NATO. and It's only there because of its geographical position. Ciddi, an associate professor of national security studies at Marine Corps University writes:- It’s time to reconsider Turkey’s NATO membership..In nearly every theater of vital security interests, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan seems devoted to undermining the trans-Atlantic alliance. There are estimated to be about 40,000 political prisoners in Turkey,
On the World Democratic List 2020 from the University of Wurzburg, Hungary has the position 79, one position higher than Albania. Turkey...very dismal Turkey manages 137.
Hungary is classified as a "Deficient Democracy...."Turkey, a "Moderate Autocracy".
Other ratings are the same.
I can understand the concerns from smaller members in both the EU and NATO when it comes to veto and wanting to keep it, but seriously, the bigger an organisation becomes with more members, the less workable it becomes with a veto rule in place.
Regardless of the motives, it really doesn't matter, more members is always going to be problematic when each member has a veto, NATO with adding another 2, the EU with adding a potential 5-10 over the next decade or 2, it's going to create more gridlock that at some point, it's going to be difficult to get anything done, reforms to veto rules are needed, not so much that it needs to be abolished, but it needs to be reduced in how it can be used with majority voting taking its place, maybe with veto rules where it can only be used where it's sensitive to the interest of one's country, but regardless, the current system with more members is only going to get worse.
In the case of the EU, it looks like there's serious through on stripping Hungary of its voting rights, something I think should have been done years ago with all the infractions they've been doing, the real blame is the EU Commission being weak and soft on them, whereas the star of the show is the European Parliament that have wanted to get tougher on Hungary, maybe this is a sign of why more powers need to switch away from the Commission to the Parliament, they seem to be more in tune with European interest of its members then the Commission is, which they seem to be more interested in appeasing rule breakers, probably because they fear creating disunity, but what they are doing is just that, I also feel that the EU Commission is creating anti EU sentiments across the EU countries, if there's ever a time for reforms and shifting more powers towards the European Parliament, I think we're getting to that point.
Turkey isnt blocking Sweden
It was until just a few days ago..
Check out the FT article from the 28th
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NATO is an allience, it's a team effort, if Hungary doesn't want to be a team player they should leave. Nato doesn't need Hungary and if Hungary don't need NATO, no loss for either side. I rather have a honest enemy infront of me than a false friend by my side sharpening his dagger for my back.
I don't think so since NATO committed terrorist attacks all across the middle east and Guy Verhofstad openly called on NATO at one point to invade Hungary and "Delete" Hungarians only because they didn't agree politically with the dictatorial power of EU.
Sooo you know every decision made by NATO since the outbreak of the war has only harmed Hungary, and you expect us to be helpful? Good joke
Im sry but u don't know or understand how nato works , to join nato there r 10 rules to aplly (maybe sweden don't comply every one of them) and if they expeld a member that will create a way to other members to even leave nato , that will divide nato and just stop working together . Every country has the right to opose something that they don't agree , so respect hungrry ... that is democracy ...
Democracy is NOT one very small minority (one small country) blocking a clear majority from doing what the majority wants .. it is quite the opposite of democracy!
@@Touchedbynature304 Democracy is NOT a small minority blocking the majority form doing what the majority wants to... its oligarchy..
@@Touchedbynature304 No, but yes it is.. in a democracy.. You do not have to agree with the majority, but they will always win the election!
Only Hungarian nationalists in the comments I see. Well they are a big portion of Hungarian population so not surprised.
Without Nationalism, the West would fall to migration in a few decades, even faster than now.
Why would you be anything but nationalist? That's the whole purpose of having a nation. Without nations, no democracy.
@@Touchedbynature304 Yes, it's a healthy and natural feeling. But you must know that totalitarian globalists have tried to eradicate it ever since the ending of WWII. Mainly by portraying it as something utterly bad and shameful.
@@Touchedbynature304 Patriotism and nationalism are NOT the same.
Patriotism is the belief that your nation is fundamentally good, and that citizens should work to make it better.
Nationalism (as it has been used historically) is the belief that your nation is innately and objectively better than any other nation, and that a subset of the citizenry (usually based on ethnicity, religion, or origin) is better than the rest of the citizenry.
@@mikefraser4513Nope, what you explain nationalism is chauvinism
Hungary should also be Finland's ally, but does not consider Finland's security at all by delaying Sweden's accession, we in Finland are starting to be quite angry with Hungary. We have a bilateral non-alignment agreement with Sweden, but we would prefer that Sweden also be a full member of NATO
And we Hungarians are angry with Sweden which tolerates child marriage and is tolerating lawlessness in Sweden with no go zones all over the place. Also why should we respect NATO when Guy Verhofstad openly called on NATO to invade Hungary and "Delete" Hungarians just because of a minor political disagreement!
@@theuralictribes5689Was great seeing Orban back down and cower in his corner again today as today the EU got the funds past Orban lol.
@@theuralictribes5689Dude, your logic is insane. You are angry with Sweden for lawlessness? And for someone else, a dutch perhaps saying that Hungary should be deleteded? You are a bully nation then and you just admitted it. Because we dont allow child marriage and that is kind of why muslims see us as the number 1 terror target because they think we kidnap their children when they go against swedish law. You are just bad rotten bully who enjoys to bully. We should have nothing to do with eachother. I dont like bullies.
Would it be possible in situations like this for every other state in NATO to veto the decisions and actions of one state that wants to "play" NATO like a game? Instead of kicking them out if everyone eles agrees and vetos Hungary Instead would that have unforeseeable problem / create a loop hole for other countries in the future?
Although a proposition like this to NATO would surely get veto by Hungary and or Turkey but if this rule is bought before NATO then the right to inact the rule would also have to go by the rule being proposed.. meaning that everyone/ majority agreed to inact it then the rule of majority and basically ignoring Hungary and Turkey.... long story short youd have to have this rule to inact this rule lol
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The comments, questions and observations you make in the final pause of the clip are very valid. The thing is that Victor Orban are basically the fox in the hen house. The majority of Hungarians are well aware that they now to a high degree live in a policestate rather than a democracy. Hungary are the prime example for why Ukraine and others, like Moldova have not been invited in to EU and NATO (also why the talk of a "EU and even NATO, in two gear have been discussed several times last 2 decades) Hungary were not really financially and defence wise ready for membership of both but the other nations agreed to basically co fiance it, both directly and via the EURO snake. A lot of "free money" have been flowing their way. Something the American public forgets when talking about "slack Europeans", its attempting to build peace without war. Hungarians today are close to as afraid as they were when in USSR to speak up. They have seen to many close examples of people getting very serious consequences of speaking out against Orban. It are problematic that this man sits at the table in NATO, no doubt about it. Issue many in the free world have are that they know a majority of the population would love to see Orban gone for good and regain actual freedom and actual democracy!
Truth are WE screwed up! Especially looking at Germany, that by agreeing to Northstream with an unstable no good dictator sent the hard currencies that allowed POOtin to finance his military expansion, USA and France. When POOtin attacked Crimea we should have immediately responded and backed Ukraine up despite their lack of NATO membership. Give a dictator a finger and he will see it as a sign of riskfree being able to go for the arm. Obama were so fixated on trying to bring the huge financial deficit USA were operating with under control and he were appalled of the lies Bush had used to attack Iraq. Had USA at least argued to remove Saddam to remove a dictator and replace it with democracy it would have been one thing but he had to use the false flag 9/11 and false WMD lies to throw many into war. Many of your competent ally populations watched Bush turn on the war rhetoric and your crappy media backing it up way beyond what reality could bear. 3 days before the "chock and awe" start began a huge demographic survey showed 86% of Americans agreeing to this statement: "Should USA attack Irag to revenge 9/11"? Considering Saddam and Irag had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 that are numbers even POOtin would envy. TO MANY Americans have so little insight into reality and media are not helping them, on the contrary, to be able to differ shit from gold. Same reason why you ended up with Trump that went to Moscow because he thought he could build a golden tower when all he allegedly got were a golden shower, on camera. That Trump are not at Guantanamo in full orange at this point are more than worrying for those that care about the quality of your justice system. Seeing him trying to run for president after almost making you loose the last little bit of democracy you have left are scary and we truly worry for you. The only ones laughing at this point, when it comes to Hungary and when it comes to USA are POOtin, Xi and Kim. WE miss a USA we can rely on. The world are moving into dangerous territory because of it. It began with Orban, and the guy pre Zelensky (both puppets from POOtin. Ukraine regained control after Crimea with up-rise and democratic elections securing Zelensky) and the monumental mistake of not taking Crimea back right after that illegal invasion. Remember that ONLY a friend will confront you with a truth that might hurt.
Do you know that Hungary is leasing almost its entire air force (12 Gripen JAS-39e) from Sweden? :) :)
Sooo you think but beside that 12 Gripen we have almost 35 MIG29 , 50 SU35 soooo and after 2026 we trow out all Gripen and replace it with South Korean KF21 4th gen or 5th gen F-35 maybe if the war is over some SU57
While there is no way to eject a member from NATO. There is perhaps two ways around that issue, ( Am only speculating here ) One could be for the other members to agree to withdraw themselves from NATO and form a new alliance, Leaving Hungary the only member of a defunct alliance & refused admission into NATO's successor.. ( Assuming a nation has the ability to withdraw it's self ) The other possibility is a worst case scenario, Assume another nation like for example China attacks a NATO member and that member invokes article 5, And further speculate Hungary refuses to honour the treaty, Perhaps a Member breaking it's NATO treaty commitment would invalidate it's own membership? 🤔
Non of this isa possible outcome.
@attilaosztopanyi9468 Interesting a nation can't even withdraw it'sself or if it breaks the treaty, it doesn't void membership..
@@Markus117d i don't think it's impossible to withdraw just i can't see it happening if hungary wants to he in NATO then stay if not then a perfect Trojan horse. Everybody else withdraw would be pricey and ther are lots of things that in the possession of NATO not just one member so that isn't a possibility eather.
@attilaosztopanyi9468 Ahh yeah, I get your meaning, thought for a moment you were saying my ideas on what was maybe technically possible was a definite impossibility.
Its the same thing over and over....we need to stand together right now!!!
When looking at the European map, the NATO alliance and EU countries it's hard to understand why it would be in the interest of Hungary to be so pro-Russian and anti-West. This will hurt Hungary's economy more and more with time, what countries and companies want to do business with someone who is legitimising Russia's war in Europe and is not willing to see the risks with China.
Funny how the Hungarian Air Force leases 12 SAAB Jas Gripen 39C from Sweden and then all this shit goes on at the same time.
Which fighters will be withdrawn from service by 2026 and replaced by 4th Generation South Korea KF21 or to F-35 maybe if the war is over to SU57
Soooooo
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Perhaps having a look at the nations in the BRICS Alliance would be helpful in this discussion. The west seems to be labouring under the misconception that other nations work within the same code of ethics that it does.
It is not an alliance as the members have divergent interests and the bonds between them are very weak. China and India have been to war and even in the last few years there have been clashes at the border that have resulted in dozens of deaths. The BRICS as a grouping do not operate as a cohesive unit and most of its members are weak and lack influence. The only relevant members are China and India.
Hello there, I'ma facilitate the algorithm gods of RUclips.
But otherwise, Hungarian here I was sent by myself to clear things up. None of the things Orbán does is our interest, let's start with that. Orbán is a national chauvinist (ex USSR for the irony of things) who believes in flawed crap, a bended version of reality, unfortunately, he's not stupid.
The issue of Budapest: Budapest is the stronghold of the Hungarian opposition, meaning Budapesters on average will do anything and everything to uphold EU and European values. Done deal myself.
The issue of the Turks: now, we're part of the Turkic Council for some historical reasons that are again, skewed to benefit Orbán's agenda. A millennium ago the Hungarians used to be a migratory horse tribe, that ransacked Europe for around 40 years. This alone is sometimes enough to make people believe that Hungarians are/were Turkic, which is not true. Did the Hungarian tribes (traditionally 7 tribes but most probably more) have Turkic elements? Probably, but we could not in good faith specify, Altaic elements more like, meaning that a horse riding minority existed in the majority Finno-Ugric tribes.
West vs. East in Hungary: 2 main points Orbàn likes to emphasise are; loans from China and Russia, and infrastructure projects. To be fair, these 2 countries give Hungary the 2 biggest non statutory loans, credits, and leases. But practically speaking without the EU Budapest wouldn't be anything meaningful, without the Austrians and Slovaks Budapest wouldn't exist. And these cooperations (NATO, EU, local ones like the Visegrád four) are the biggest contributors to Hungarian well-being and ecenomic sustainability. Unfortunately, Budapest being the stronghold, Orbán is trying to appease us while cutting away the opposition, really working hard to make up our minds and change our mindset. Which usually means that more rural parts of Hungary still are below the poverty line in every possible metrics.
Propaganda (or for the English, a Proper Gandar, not funny): Orbàn and his slack literally own all media in Hungary, or control through statutory means. A person of lower socioeconomic position (I don't like to say status), will not consider the big picture, and will be self restrained to their melancholic, reminiscent of old times the good olden days bubbles for nostalgia's sake, it's been in construction and in use for almost 2 decades now. Fun fact, Russian propaganda get translated into Hungarian, lovely.
Possible solutions: give more monetary support to Hungarians on a local level, cut out the middle man, take away responsibility and authority from Orbán, and his system of scapegoat hatred will succumb to reason, and actual national (not patriotic or national chauvinistic) interest. If the EU cuts off Hungarians, the actual people, it will only justify autocracy and hatred. Find means, not walls.
Please be aware, it's not Hungary, it's the Hungary Orbàn crocheted and sew throughout the years, he's not representative of Hungary, he's psychologically manipulated people to love him, and sometimes even behold him as literal godsent (I've seen it, heard it being said).
Thank you, and have a good one everyone, keep being open, and research, be sceptical, and critical, never jump to conclusions and to the gun, or make bold statements such as the NATO is the omni-loved omniscient thing, or that the entirety of Hungary is just an enemy, a pest to get rid of. Not saying anyone would think like that, so keep up the good mindset.
Btw, Hungary is a democratically elected and institutionalised autocracy. Just like Roman times, the dictator may be elected again and again and such the country will retain it's form of governance, but not the distribution of power(s).
@tilla20000
"Hello there, I'ma facilitate the algorithm gods of RUclips.
But otherwise, Hungarian here I was sent by myself to clear things up. None of the things Orbán does is our interest, let's start with that. Orbán is a national chauvinist"
A what? That is why - especially the globalist - opposition calls him "vajda"? Or dub the party "zsidesz"?
Expelled from EU to
the premise is wrong - Hungary can be kicked out of NATO, all it takes is other members deciding it's no longer part of it and draft a procedure on the spot. It creates a precedence though. Also Orban is not doing it from nationalistic reasons, but personal gain
Utter nonsense. First you ignore that he has said no country can be kicked out of NATO. Secondly all you have to do is look it up to find he's of course correct.
I strongly disagree with that you should (always) take care of your own country first, it depends, it's like social classes or "race", it's often beneficial for the "rich" to care about the "poor" for example.
Same with countries, Sweden supporting Finland in joining NATO instead of putting all energy into joining ourselves was probably for the best, all things considered
Yeah I didn't agree with him on that, especially in organisations where there are multiple members where a bit of flexibility of interest is needed, but it really depends on what the issue is and how sensitive it is to a given country, but given how the world is being more interconnected and many of the countries are in organisations groups, flexibilities are needed and countries are always looking after number one, don't work that well, we saw that with Trump US a few years ago.
How about Turkey?
@@Touchedbynature304 thinking abou headlines, hungary, exluded. Turkey and Erdagon far more dangereus.
@@Touchedbynature304 would like to see them open up around the upcoming meeting with Mr Putin, and the past meatings, going along on 2 horses is not a good thing if that is the case.
I think that "cozying up to China" is the interest of Europe, not just of Hungary. Becoming a third player on the global board instead of the follower of the US is what would serve European interests the most.
The Strategic Autonomy must be achieved by the further federalisation of the EU as well as the long awaited foundation of the EU Army, distancing ourselves from the US, maintaining a cordial relationship with both China anf the formal Colonies. Taiwan is none of our concern.
China needs the EU Market. It's time we became Switzerland. With a strong army.
Unfortunately Taiwan is our concern. If China launches an invasion of Taiwan, the US will likely be drawn into a war in the Pacific. If that happens, there is a good chance that Russia will launch attacks against several European countries. Trump will likely win the US election and it is safe to believe him when he says the US will not come to Europe's aid. The Ukraine war will likely remain stagnant but Russia would put its new war economy to use elsewhere.
@@maxisussex Russia is way too exhausted in the war against Ukraine. A third of their whole public spending goes towards funding it, they already lost hundreds of thousands of working men (KIA+WIA). Their economy is in tatters. They have fuel shortage. Russia. Not us, them. A bloody fuel shortage (can explain why if you want, funny story).
No mate, Russia is done with waring for the rest of this decade even if they ultimately win in Ukraine. If they lose...God only knows.
It will come down to cash
Turkey wanted something fo it’s vote and got it.
All that is happening can be put at the feet of Madeleine Albright.
They should have listened to George f Kennan
The uk has exported three times the amount of gas to Europe thanks to Russia.
The uk has received millions in Russian oil from commonwealth countries and ex colonial countries
The EU will sabotage Hungary’s economy if Budapest blocks fresh aid to Ukraine at a summit this week, under a confidential plan drawn up by Brussels that marks a significant escalation in the battle between the EU and its most pro-Russian member state.
In a document drawn up by EU officials and seen by the Financial Times, Brussels has outlined a strategy to explicitly target Hungary’s economic weaknesses, imperil its currency and drive a collapse in investor confidence in a bid to hurt “jobs and growth” if Budapest refuses to lift its veto against the aid to Kyiv.
The EU will sabotage Hungary’s economy if Budapest blocks fresh aid to Ukraine at a summit this week, under a confidential plan drawn up by Brussels that marks a significant escalation in the battle between the EU and its most pro-Russian member state.
In a document drawn up by EU officials and seen by the Financial Times, Brussels has outlined a strategy to explicitly target Hungary’s economic weaknesses, imperil its currency and drive a collapse in investor confidence in a bid to hurt “jobs and growth” if Budapest refuses to lift its veto against the aid to Kyiv.
The EU will sabotage Hungary’s economy if Budapest blocks fresh aid to Ukraine at a summit this week, under a confidential plan drawn up by Brussels that marks a significant escalation in the battle between the EU and its most pro-Russian member state.
In a document drawn up by EU officials and seen by the Financial Times, Brussels has outlined a strategy to explicitly target Hungary’s economic weaknesses, imperil its currency and drive a collapse in investor confidence in a bid to hurt “jobs and growth” if Budapest refuses to lift its veto against the aid to Kyiv.
I don't agree with Hungary or Orban but lets be realistic, much of the problem is due to the EU. The EU treats eastern europe as a colony to do what its told, well in fact all countries are supposed to bow to the project including for example Ireland, keep on voting until the right result is achieved. Hungary is using whatever levers it has whether its right or wrong its unsurprising
These countries economies have been transformed by EU subsidies and trade. Polish GDP per capita is projected to pass by that of the UK by 2030 if current trends continue.
That's not true, in fact, the eastern EU countries have been transformed by being in the EU, if you want evidence of that, compared the eastern EU members to none eastern European countries in quality of life and GDP numbers, you should ask yourself, why are the ones that joined the EU quickly catching up with the western members, whereas the ones that are not in the EU are still a long way from catching up?
You're also misinformed on Ireland, they didn't go back and have another vote to get the right answer, they change a few things in the treaty that Ireland wasn't happy about and then had enough vote, which is the art of negotiation and compromise.
What Hungary is doing is very different, it's all about blackmail and getting as much out of others as they can, the EU and NATO are about team players that work together, find compromises and common ground, Hungary isn't doing any of that.
The problem is hungarys government putting EU funds in their own pockets instead of what it was ment for and they got caught.
@@paul1979uk2000 I love the stupid preaching on human rights and humanity of western countries who also are exploiting resources of their former colonies using child labour I mean what a joke of a thing this NATO and EU thing is. Also Guy Verhofstadt called on NATO to invade Hungary and "Delete" Hungarians! Heck It's more dangerous to be in the EU and NATO than to be outside of it! And you wanna talk about "Working Together as a Team Player"?! What a bunch of racist Hungarianophobes!
@@mango2005 You're saying it will be past 46k? I doubt that especially with Poland's poor demogtaphics.
Kick Hungary out of NATO and the EU. 1 member cannot be allowed to totally disrupt the wishes of the greater majority. Instead of all members having to agree a decision, NATO and the EU should have majority voting - if 80% are in favour a decision is carried. Let Orban go and be mateswith Putin, don't complain when Russian tanks are in Hungarian cities.
Than f... yourself... You from the US dont know anything about what really happening here. You know, that's why we don't want to do things against Russia that you are testing, because the infrastructure built since the 50s was built here by Russia, so gas pipelines are all Russian. If the Ukrainians sabotaged the southern pipeline, Hungary and Serbia, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Croatia, and Bosnia would lose their gas supply and build A completely new infrastructure for US gas would be incredibly expensive, on the other hand, the US sells worse gas in many cases for twice as much as the Russians. So instead of talking bullshit, look after that, as I said, it's an ocean away, don't try to pry into our business. Returning to the gas pipeline sabotage, if it happened the same as it did with the North Stream We and Serbia would consider it a terrorist attack and whoever did it would regret it very much.
"Kick Hungary out of NATO and the EU. 1 member cannot be allowed to totally disrupt the wishes of the greater majority."
Disregard both organisations' own rules and please cry about the rule of law during this. Or make another EU and NATO without unanimous voting and see how many countries will join.
Such countries are in both NATO the EU. All EU countries pay into the fund and all recieve from the fund. If a country missuded itd powers of veto, then other countries can apply same to them. Veto aid to Ukriane, then other countries will veto your EU payouts! Tit for tat polotics, expelling any country is not the way to go as a few years down the road the political situation may well have changed and they may become a valued ally.
Turkey under Erdogan would be a decent ally if they were not busy reviving Ottoman empire.
That’s a myth. There is no revival of the Ottoman empire except in the delusional minds of those who hate Turkey
@@nosmokejazwinski6297 Is that why Erdogan is backing every Muslim regime in ex ottoman empire? Did you slumber over Libya conflict with NATO allies? Only reason why turkey is in NATO is Russia.
Only time when Turkey was ''normal'' was during Mustafa Kemal Atatürk everything after his rule is just Turkey regressing.
@@bubee8123 why wouldn’t he back them? What’s wrong with doing that? So if someone is a Muslim, they must be opposed just for being Muslim? Thank you for showing where the myths you’re pushing come from.
Hungary folded after they threatened to destroy the country
Behind closed doors he got a little taste
im hungarian, and I WANT to quit NATO
People here loves to say Hungary free to leave but i doubt that. Wouldnt surprise with a coup attempt against Orban if he comes with a breakaway idea
@@mda990 I would be happier with a neutral Hungary like Austria and Switzerland
@@f3reg169 Hungary strategicly more important than later 2. i doubt the US would let Hungary just walk out
@@mda990 I'm afraid of that too
Hungary 🇭🇺 first is not what the EU likes so of course they aren't happy with them. Orban is playing the game so don't hate the player hate the game.
Orban's Hungary should be kicked out of the EU too. It's one of the countries that got and gets the heftiest EU aid, and it flouts the EU's values (particularly regarding Human Rights!).
You got me at "EU Values"...LOL!
@@MrIaninuk And yet, they are!
Shows why the EU should be ended an organisation that only believes in Democracy if you vote the right way
EU aid is an investment. Are you really naive enough to think that the EU sends money out of good will? Pure ignorance of not understand the circular flow of money.
Western companies in Hungary barely pay any taxes there, yet they bring back all the money to the west into the pocket of corporation of which a huge amount ends up as taxes. They are literally syphoning the money out of Hungary. Same for Poland.
EU aid to hungary is around 2% of Hungary's GDP, while the flow of money from hungary to the west is around 10% of its GDP. EU makes 5 times what they send to Hungary.
Seeing ignorants parrotting the same fallacy is honestly frustrating. Making money on the backs of other countries then acting like you are the ones being ''generous''. Lie of the century.
Hungry has every right not to dance to the American tune.
He should leave the alliance then
That's fine, but why stay a mole in an organisation you dislike so much?
If Hungary doesn't agree with EU or NATO interest, you know where the door is, with that, Hungary can be a puppet of Russia and China, let's see how well that goes for the people of Hungary.
Besides, this is not about revolving around US policy, this is about doing the right thing, clearly, Hungary doesn't care about what's going on in Ukraine.
@@abasudoh7459 Not until it apologises for what Guy Verhofstadt said when he called on NATO to invade Hungary and "Delete" Hungarians!
Hungary can leave NATO if it wants to.
@@dcoughla681 Not until it apologises for what Guy Verhofstadt said when he called on NATO to invade Hungary and "Delete" Hungarians!
Nato is the problem. The point of Nato was to serve as the number one deterrant ensuring Soviet style bolshevism didnt export beyond eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. Nato should have either retired after the fall of the eastern block or accepted Russian membership when Yeltzin applied to join, instead they did neither: they became antagonizers and systematically broke every treaty they made with the Russian Federation. The agreement was clear, if Nato continued to exist as an entity yet deny Russian membership, then ex Warsaw Pact states were unlawful for Nato membership. but here we are 30 years on and Moscow is literally within eyeshot of multiple US and EU Military bases. I bet Americans would be pissed off if Russia had Military Bases at Niagara Falls, or Vancouver or even worse, imagine if US protected sovereign states like Peurto Rico, or moreover states themselves like Hawaii or Alaska became independent with putin placing his own puppets in power. Thats the side of the argument we dont see from the western media outlet publishers like Reuters
Vladimir Putin has spent his entire presidency fighting wars. I think the NATO deterrence is justified.
The situation with the amount of US and EU military bases around Russia is so absurd, that there is huge amount of jokes, that going like:
US leaders be like:
"Why wherever we found a military base in ally country, there is always Russia next to it? Damn those Russians!"
" then ex Warsaw Pact states were unlawful for Nato membership " you are delusional, bot !
@@Touchedbynature304 now I know you're a ruzzbot.... shame on you and the kremlin !
@@DacianRider Ever heard of the Visegrád Group, Vilnius Group and Adriatic Charter? Come back to the conversation once youve managed to successfully pull your vaccuous noggin out from the inner depths of your rectal passage.
It's all I see is Orbans Hungary 🇭🇺 first policies are not the EUs values so they are called fascist and a dictator.
That is Ukraine
Do you now that USA made this war between Russia and Ukraine?
@@tiborlaszlo3817 biden did it, he is and his son are wrapped up in the corruption to their necks.
@@tiborlaszlo3817 wouldn't have happened if Mr Trump 🇺🇸 was in there.
a video from Simon are always topclass
He's a complete knobhead
Orban also loves trump... says alot...
@@Touchedbynature304 normal people? As he is a criminal...
@@Touchedbynature304 a lot of people don't, actually. sadly.. they aren't the vocal ones.
@@Touchedbynature304 naaah, Robert F Kennedy is a waste. JFK was their best Kennedy.
Might be interesting to look at how the EU has retaliated, as much of what they’re doing; and planning to do, are reasons why the UK decided to leave.
The EU threatening to remove votes and funding due to a disagreement is the dictatorship stance that many politicians in the UK saw coming.
When u try to mix political and social ideas that each country sees differently, with the free-trade which the eu was built on, is where problems start to arise.
U can’t tell a democratic country that what they’ve voted for is wrong, without angering the majority of the nation that voted for set thing.
*im only going on what I’ve heard so far, it will take more digging into this matter to truly understand each side, as everyone should do if u want to understand these topics.
What a load of BS!
@@Touchedbynature304 BS ... again!
@@Touchedbynature304 Yes, thanks, I will. Meanwhile, you go live in Rusia or North Korea, you'll be just fine there!
@@micade2518 You know what is BS? Western Liberal Far Left Lunatics like you who preach the gospel of Humanity and Human Rights while ignoring how those Western Liberal countries are exploiting their former colonies resources using child labour no less what a joke.
They cant expell us from an organization that we created😂
While they cannot be kicked, they can't force other nations to stay either. If Hungary and Turkey acts too much of crybabies, the whole project could be scrapped. Write up a charter for NATWO, have all old member states sign up for that and invite the new ones you want. Once that's in place, simply leave the old organisation. The tantrum states would be left in an allience of 1 or 2.
I sincerely hope that in tomorrow's EU meeting, Hungary is stripped of it's voting power.
As long as Hungary is not a positive part of the EU, and not following it's core democratic principles, Hungary should not be rewarded in any way for it's blackmail that is harming all other member nations.
Lol "democratic principles" You mean the likes where NATO destroyed and destabilised the Middle East and caused the mass immigration which has created No Go Zones all across Western Europe including Sweden which tolerates child marriage and Western Europeans being in the business of illegally extracting resources from their former colonies using child labour while preaching about Human Rights?! What a load of hypocrisy NTO and EU is a joke.
@@theuralictribes5689 the root cause of the problems in the Middle east go way further back than the founding of the EU or NATO. France and England combined with the different streams of the islamic faith bare the burdon of the issues in the middle east. (as well as the idiots in the US who thought that placing Israel where it is now would be a great idea)
@@freudsigmund72 Just you wait you racist Hungarianophobe because one day there will be a judgement day and all those nations who did wrong thinking they were the right people in the right doing the right things will be judged according to their works and every person will be judged according to their works.
No wonder why we live in the last days.
Look at the worlds democratic list and see where Hungary and Turkey stand. (You'll have to scroll down a bit).
Im not from a NATO country but am from an EU state (Ireland). But I am very concerned about Putin, and Orban is isolated in NATO as a pro-Russian state, which is troubling. It obstructs aid to Ukraine at every turn at EU level, and also obstructs Swedish NATO entry, and delayed that of Finland for a long time too. Hungary brings home billions of euros every year from the EU and is a net recipient of EU funds, but is obstructive and the Hungarian media - which is largely state owned - peddles the kind of anti western and anti Ukraine propaganda found on Russian TV.
I agree with you, but Hungary is not needed, Hungary has nothing to offer.
The best thing about Hungary.....apart from the food and wine and people , is that there are no muslims there .
💯👍
@@janeslater8004 I forgot to mention lake balaton and all the beautiful girls . Absolutely stunning . Xx
I'd rather have warm hearted, good natured Muslims than cold and mean spirited Christians any day. Kick Hungary out of NATO.
@@retrowatches1655 hungarian girls are meh... bad genes i guess..
exclusivist republicunt-hungolian propaganda.
We need more leaders in Europe like Orban. Hope this year the elections have good results for the out native populations
Lmao
You like to have more dictators in Europe? I thought we might have learned something, after what these guys did in the 20th century?
Just stop giving EU billioms to orban and let him be on hes own. We dont need dictators
Excellent idea... if you want to end Europe as a world power.
@@MLWittemanBut some people like spyrostri like dictatorships ... they've never lived in one, so they're in awe before big men with big musles, big guns and big mouth ...
Hungarians see the situation in Ukraine for what it is. Orban was right on all his statements: Ukraine can't win. The main reason for blocking aid is because the EU has blocked EU funds for Hungary. Apparently Hungary is not woke enough for EU.
What is woke
@@kingofracism Some bs created in USA. Look for a woke movement. In short it is a sick ideology.
The right can't define 'woke'
Sure Ivan, nice try.
Get back to the rest of the orcs now.
@@Snaakie83 I don't get your orc argument. I presume your cognitive abilities have fallen short in recognition of the world around you. I hope you will get better soon.