Introduction to Commander Deck Building | The Command Zone 372 | Magic: The Gathering EDH
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Commander is constantly growing and evolving, with new players joining the community every single day. This episode, we go back to the basics and take a look at what an incoming player needs to know to learn the format, build a Commander deck and start having fun.
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So I'm sitting on a rectangle, sleeving a bunch of rectangles into other rectangles, listening to people talk about rectangles on my rectangle. Neat.
It's a good shape, toast.
Same here. I am laying on my rectangle, my head on some smaller soft rectangles, covered by a large rectangle, hugging my anime rectangle ^^
@@spacefreak5064 ngl I laughed out loud when I read that whole thing
Cheers you comedic bastard
I just uploaded my first video an intro video to my channel a somewhat road map. I love to see some feedback on it. And I plan on uploading commander content every day. I'm here serve the community. Hopefully I can do it as good as the other content creators.
ruclips.net/channel/UC5QnlFkhnxdH-HkpxoYgA_g thank you for taking your time of checking it out. And I hope to see you there. Also I plan on giving out cards that I talk about in every video.
Surreal isn't it? I love my rectangles
Dear new players, I started most of my decks from cards left over after drafts at local game stores. Most game stores hand out lands. All you need is a 99 cards and a legendary creature you like. Upgrade over time. Magic is a hobby, invest into it what you want out of it. (:
That’s kind of how I started Pokémon. Great advice for most card games! :)
After my first draft some experienced players, that gave me tips for drafting before, just gave me their cards they drafted as a start to my collection. One started, others followed, I think I went out with over 200 cards. Next time the lgs just gave me 100 basic lands and I could get myself some of their bulk cards I wanted to use for my precon I bought.
Thanks for the tips. I built a deck with your help and impressed my husband who’s been playing for more then 10 years 👍🏽
My recommendation is: If you find someone who you played against and think "THAT WAS A COOL DECK" talk to them and ask them to mentor you through the process. That's how I learned and still learn today!
One thing I’ve learned is “don’t be a slave to your theme” it’s helped me with magic and even like Yugioh
AMEN
Maybe that's why I love white. I spent 6 years healing as a priest in WoW and a Monk in EQ1.
I'm excited seeing this comment just as much as watching a new command zone video. Love your work man!
Honestly everytime I see a channel chef is always there and it's awesome to see
i played as a hunter! is that why i love green? i don't even care for ramp, i just love the different beast type monsters.
Wait... monks could heal in EQ1? I don't think mend counts ;)
Chef doesn’t need fire to cook, he just needs some good ol healing
I have made almost 20 commander decks, why do I like episodes like this
Im here too man and im clocking in over 60 xD
@@benjaminddv saaaaaame. I'm at 66 atm but still enjoy episodes like this
I'm at 1 - modified a few times. I'm too much of a perfectionist with building, so i do not end up building. I feel like this video is specifically for me.
@@sea81793 I took me a total of about 2 years to say that my Niv-mizzet, Parun Edh deck is finished. So I understand the struggle
I really appreciate this channel. I'm getting back into Magic after a 16 year hiatus and have been binge watching your Game Knights playlist. A whole lot has changed in sixteen years, and Commander has really appealed to me with the ability to play with cards that I remember as well as the new stuff as I learn it and become more comfortable.
My first deck that I've built is a mono green deck that is all about pumping out saproling tokens. I wanted to do a squirrel deck, but there just isn't really enough cards for that, so saprolings was the next best choice. The rest of the deck is mana ramp. My primary choice is... mana dorks (I think that's what the kids are calling them these days), but I've been hearing that the current meta is to avoid them, so I have an entire sideboard that is land hunting. I have no idea how competitive this deck is going to actually be, I know it's simple, but I've always loved putting a ton of tokens on the board, and I thought this would be a fun deck to learn the format on.
But I wanted to thank you guys for educating me on a game that i've missed and love, and I'm looking forward to diving back into the community.
Who did ya choose for your commander for Saprolings? :)
@@jacobjensen7704 I built the deck with Nemata, Grove Guardian in mind, But I also have a Verdeloth the Ancient in there that I could use, but I think Nemata is the stronger choice. I also have a Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury in the deck as well that I could use for throwing out a mana dork each turn, permanent control and card draw. But I think my mana ramp is going to be pretty fast as it is, so I don't think the extra dorks are worth giving up Nemata's non-tapping ability to crank out a saproling for 3. I really feel like Nemata is the strongest choice for critical massing
Don’t forget about Slimefoot! If you want to expand into black, I love him.
@@zd-1249 Holy crap! I didn't look outside of mono green. Slimefoot provides the definitive win condition that my deck has been lacking.
I've played for 6 years and still watch this
i've been playing for 1994. god i feel old saying that, but i still love just the different opinions/decks.
I don’t play magic and I still watch this
Yeah I have only recently gotten back into the game (about a year ago) and this is still very interesting
@@tenin982000 you've been playing longer than some people with Master's degrees have been alive
@@40Found yeah i never thought about it like that. Saw some things well before they became a format. Large decks were rare but they were out there. Highlander aka commander wasn't new. A few of us did the singleton rule back in 96-98 at a local store. Sure it was 60 and not a 100. Fast forward to now i love commander and my roommate got me into it 2 years ago
So thankful to have ran across this channel. Can't express enough how much I have learned SOLELY from watching Game Knights. It has turned into something the fam and I watch after dinner
cool
The new challenge in my playgroup is to build commanders of maximum $25 dollars, and this opens the opportunity to use that heavy cmc cards that is not playable in other formats. Searching for cards and deckbuilding, this is the greatest part of commander
And you don’t have to use all your money to get cards that way :)
Thats the best part for me, i built three cheap decks recently with szadek lord of secrets, dragonlord ojutai and vaevictis asmadi the dire (now im tunning them a little, but they play really nice against each other)
Love doing this. Did a trip with a group of friends a couple years back and all of us built a couple of $25 decks. It was fun diving into the slew of card options that typically don't get much love/attention.
oof. did this last spring with my playgroup. Built Shu Yun. We played the decks for maybe 3 sessions and wrre over them. So I spent around 1,000 in making it better. The 25.00 did not age well for me
My playgroup all bought the same set of EDH staple proxies and each week we make a new deck using any of them we want and all of our cards. Since none of us play CEDH decks or combo the power levels are actually really even while still being able to play the fun splashy spells.
I'm new-ish but something me and my brother did that was fun was we spent 10 bucks on 1000 bulk cards and each proxyd a commander then used those random cards to build commander decks. We then spent like 5-7 bucks for basic lands. It wasnt very good, but it was a lot of fun, and a great cheap way to get into magic. We have since went on to upgrade those decks and play them against our friends precons.
When I made my 1st deck I tweeted josh not really expecting a reply and he ended up made suggestions as did Craig, Felt awesome to actually hear back from them and it definitely helped the deck.
"are you building a stax deck??"
man that part had me bursting out laughing
For stax, you use an alternate account
One of the only shows where I actually watch the ads. So funny 😂
I recently built a deck around Arasta of the Endless Web that is just spider tribal, and it includes nearly every green spider in my collection. I call it: This Deck is Full of Spiders 😆
Is that a David Wong reference? Love those books haha
Josh and Jimmy: Superfriends tend to be multicolored and never one color
The Professor: May I present to you my *"Vorinclex Superjerks"* video
I lucked out... I bought one booster box and I got the pherexian copy. Not playing it as commander it looks too much like being a asshole...
I recently made my 5th deck after only having been playing edh for over a year. Been playing magic since the end of 2014.
It's a morophon deck around a creature type that is super obscure: Horror.
I built it for a couple reasons. Horrors are cool, and black is probably my favorite color in magic, and horrors are predominantly black.
One would say that I'm hooked.
Did you include Thing In The Ice?
You forgot about colorless, ashlen is gonna be unhappy
Seriously tho!
Hey guys love the show
You guys should make an episode on underused commander
They are the coolest
Who's this guy
@@FeastOfFiction look at you people padding the comments...
😂😂😂
Best word of encouragement I can give to players making their first deck from scratch? Your first deck will most likely suck. The important thing is not getting frustrated and being able to identify why it sucks so your next one is better.
You are right. My first deck sucked but with the help of the MTG community my third deck is a high level casual commander deck
I wouldn’t just “suck”
More… “Jank”
Its kinda funny that commander veterans will still watch an episode like this including me.
I commented this before i had watched 2 minutes in
@@obed6901 nice, I replied 32 seconds in!
I posted about it as soon as i started the video as well 😅😅😅
Yeah it's good to see new perspectives on the format after 6 years.
You stop learning when you die. Why stop learning?
I was just rewatching the old deck building template earlier today. How fitting.
Talking about the types of players just reminded me what a Tammy I am and one moment that came to mind was a game where everyone was looking at my board, terrified at what I might do next, and I just deadpan laid Aurelia, the Warleader on the table and everyone else went insane. Gooood times.
I have 6 EDH decks under my belt, but that’s not gonna stop me from using these episodes as a guide!
Super Mario RPG, insanely amazing and difficult game!! Back when you could get stuck if you didn’t grind enough. I’m a gruul player at heart but finding inspiration can be hard. Great episode.
Josh: Superfriends typically has 15 planeswalkers.
My 25 planeswalker deck: Oh, are you approaching me?
Love this updating guide video. Excellent for new players of the format!
I have 23 Planeswalkers in an orzhov deck 😎. 0 creature spells. LOTS of removal
iS tHAt A joJO rEfeRenCe?!?!
I found 21 to be ideal in my build. 15 seems super light.
I really been meaning to brew my own decks instead of just copying other people's lists. Much needed, thank you very much!
Just purchased my first pre made commander deck to learn how to play! I'm.so excited being new to magic and watching you guys now endlessly has given me the best advice/tips! Thanks for the amazing content and hopefully one day, I can sit rightfully at the command table and play with you legends 😎 👑
Woohoo I've been theory crafting my first commander deck for weeks now. Thank you for this 🙏
Thanks for the updated deck building episode! I'm looking forward to the updated template!!! I'm new to MTG, so it's nice to have people talking about the state of the game in current day
2:55 Jimmy finally achieved every magic players dream, becoming one with the booster box
What a coincidence, just starting to build my first deck after tinkering with the precon, thank you guys ! Awesome video as per usual !!
Which one?
@@liammurphy3258 I own 4 precons (land's wrath and ghired being my 2 most played) and i start to build lathiel
@@LoMagicBorider Lathiel sounds like a great commander to make your first deck from scratch! Mine was Vorel of the Hull Clade, so also a +1/+1 counter deck. It's a good, well-supported strategy that is great to build-around and polish your deck-building skills with when you're starting off!
As a Beta Tester from Everquest... and someone who has an account that is now almost 24 years old. Seeing plugs for it really made me so happy.
As for Commander. I never could get into commander when it first came out because of the only 1 of each card, upset me. I still struggle to not put 4 of every card in my concept into standard/historic decks. The only commander deck I have, was based on Megrim so I built a Nekusar deck, and have pretty much never got to play, because the few times I have, I am killed off in couple turns. So now I am about to build a Boros, mainly because everyone seems to consider Boros to be not as good. But I love equipment.
I was debateing on building a deck, found this, perfect timing. Thanks Jimmy and Josh
The second part of this was really useful to me. I kept hearing people talk about archetypes, but never knew what they meant.
I just made the switch to building commander. I swear you guys can read minds. Also... that was the best build me up buttercup!
I Would recomend people to start a commander journey within one of the ravnica guilds themes.
Definitely gonna show this to my friends who are newer to magic
I'm glad y'all did an update on deck building. Things have gotten wonky in just the past 2 years. So this really will help everyone with there ideas and deck construction🤙
Kinda funny when you notice the Jimmy and Josh have borders correlating to their favorite color
Izzet funny though? :D
It is lol
That's because of the colors they were printed in
Timmy, Johny, and Spike, but they forgot about shredder; the guy who just wants to lawnmower mill everyone.
That's pretty Timmy, ngl.
"Intro to Commander Deckbuilding" with a Sol Ring looming in the background. Yup, sounds about right.
Excellent timing. I've been sorting my collection to build a deck this weekend. None of my past decks have been more than a rough draft or experimental quality. So, although I'm not new to deck building, I'm also not very good at it yet.
I'm not very good either. but then again I've only been playing since early 94 🙁
@@danacoleman4007 I started around 7th edition and quit shortly after due to having only one person to play with, with an unfair advantage against me. A co-worker got me back into the game a few years ago and my collection has grown quite a bit since then.
I'm just watching this even though I don't plan to play commander format yet. Maybe in the near future, so this is a great video 👍
There is no boxing analogy to combo. But picking Tyson and Ali was sensible for your other analogies. Happy new year guys.
Everyone else in my play group make very combo-focused decks and then there’s me over here like “hehe funny birds”
yeah, preetty much was the same for me, but it got so tiring existing in that arms race that i quit Magic altogether. The Magic for me was lost
@@Yukark yeah I can see how that would get boring.
This is quality stuff as usual guys, but what the community really needs is for Ashlen to have more camera time. Lol
I always thought I’d be primarily red, but I’ve played with blue recently and loved it!
There are some pretty fun tests to find your colours in commander. It isn't that accurate but it feels pretty fun to build a deck on colors a test made you out to be instead of just choosing at random
Reminds me of a Friday Nights episode on LRR.😆
Amen, jimmy. Chrono Trigger is still, to this day, my favorite game ever.
i still prefer chrono chross
@@tenin982000 both? Both is good
Chrono Trigger was ridiculously good for a 16-bit JRPG. I'd only played it for maybe an hour before I got the DS version of the game, and without nostalgia involved it still felt like one of the best games I'd played in the genre.
@@JediMB thats why i find it so good. Even after 25 years, it still holds up.
Music, story, graphics. Still amazing.
It was Squaresoft in their prime.
@@caiocsl i don't hate chrono trigger i just enjoy chrono cross more.
At 51 minutes the word you’re looking for is exponential... I thank you for this video and love your guy’s content
My first ever introduction to Commander, was a precon of Oloro, from 2014. Until now, I never really realized that it was a stalling type of EDH.
Hey guys awesome episode. Love watching GameKnights. I just built my first Commander Deck. It was built very close Ashlyn's Deck from Double Masters.
the first commander precon or what ever I bought was this Dragon maze precon I think it was, it had Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts on the front. I don't think it was a commander deck, it was just this Dragon's maze box with 100 cards in it and Teysa was the face of it. So Orzhov was the first colour pairing I started with. I remember, me and my friends ordered one each I got the white and black, someone else ordered Red and green and so on.
I remember that precon. It was a 60 card deck with 2 extra packs (so 90 cards). The first time I bought magic cards I almost bought that one :)
My trick when deck building is to creat 4-8 categories, and try and pick the best 5-10 cards in each one. Each is part of the game plan, and I try to be conscious of the mana curve and what I need if ahead/behind.
That was a lot of content just to say mono red is the way to go
As a brand new commander player (and long time fan of the show), this episode is the BEST thing all year :)
Welcome!
I really appreciate the interpretation of the "holy trinity". I have realized I am far more of a Johnny than I thought I was.
Cheers guys, going to link this to my buddies that are still scared of Commander.
around 2:13 they mention seasoned players watching , I still refer to you guys' deck building 101 episode. keep doing what you're doing guys. #loyalpatreon lol
Thanks guys :) went through all my legends and finally picked out my commander to build, thraximundar
Excellent video guys. Working on building my second deck now, and this was really helpful.
As a fellow World of Warcraft tank, I approve Jimmy!
I just built my first Commander deck. I based it off my first standard deck which is based around “Underworld Dreams” and from there I found a commander (Nekusar, the Mindrazor) and went from there. Can’t wait to try it out for the first timw
Great video guys
I just bought a commander desk recently black + blue, just need an opportunity to play. Thank you Jimmy and Josh for these videos, I have watched a few Game Knights (with a K) Commander videos and have been getting some ideas for deck builds.
it was refreshing to see Mitch get mentioned in this episode. I've been wondering lately where most content creator's stood with him ever since the "Captain" nuke fiasco. I loved seeing his Kenrith deck in action on extra turns and felt his personality fit well too and was fun to watch. I hope as things get better that he might make more appearances in the future. Thanks for all you do for the community. I started in 2018 and this challenged me to make a mono colored deck and so far im loving it.
what does this mean?
Great idea to make videos for the new players! I feel, that i have seen alot of new players in our gameshop recently.
I love how you use MTG Wheel Explains Humanity in your video in trying to explain to players who are new to this game to understand what and how they can play or choose the right commander.
Thank You so much Josh and Jimmy, you guys really work around the clock to keep on giving us tips and ideas on how to improve not just as player, but also maintaining the fun for the format.
Good Job guys
Ordered cards from card kingdom today and it’s amazing. Love it and love your guys content. Glad I subscribed 👍🤩
I agree with trying to play something that you don't often.
I hardly ever played mono decks, especially red and blue. So I built a Feldon and a Talrand deck.
They have since become one of my favourite decks to play.
I was just looking at your old template for a new deck. Can't wait till you update it
One of the best deck building tips I’ve ever gotten is this. Go to edhrec, find the commander you’re interested in, click your theme and the expensive filter. Find a deck and write down all the cards under a dollar. Those cards will always be synergistic for the commander. Cheap cards played at the highest level.
My friend and I just started playing mtg again the other day after years and years off. No one plays standard at the game shop in our town lol it's all commander. It's a really fun format, ngl, but it's all very new to me. Thanks for updating this content, yall. That's huge. I really appreciate it.
"None of the colors do the exact same thing."- Jimmy
Green would like a word with you sir.
Simic: hello there
1st deck I built was enchantments, I used a pre-con and changed it to what I like doing.
My advice would be to just make sure you have a couple of win conditions in your deck. Nothing worse then loosing access to the one card you need to try take the win.
Anytime I feel the urge to build a new deck I'm always trying to find something new that I haven't done before. Unfortunately that's getting harder and harder the longer I play, but that also encourages me to try more and more obscure things. Two of my favorite decks that I've built in the last year are Morophon tribal samurai and Tishana tribal "Maro".
For my money, one of the best "tools" I had while tuning my first precon deck was actually your video on deck basics; how much card draw, ramp, single target removal, board wipes etc. should go into a deck. I know it's a little old now, so it'd be super awesome if you could make an update to that video as a followup to this one (not to say you don't already have one in the works, because I have no clue lol).
Another sort of map for just whipping a deck together to playtest is the 8x8 method. I won't go into detail here, since it's easily found through google, but it's a nice way to ensure that your deck is playable without too much fussing over it. If the play style doesn't suit you, it's easy enough to take it apart and start again, or you can continue with and refine the deck over time as need be.
If you ramp you must have card draw also. CARD DRAW IS KEY
Tribal is a fun way to start commander! My first deck was a Nicol Bolas dragon deck
My first Commander deck was a Dwarf (Boros) tribal deck. But I just started out with the idea of being a planeswalker who came from a nordic plane or realm of zelous Dwarves who raised dragons. And it is still my main deck to this day.
The commander and many of the cards have changed but it's still my favorite!
I started with Tarkir & there wasnt many Dwarves before Kaladesh & I've been hyped & waiting for Kaldheim since forever!
I can never understand why people say white is bad at ramping. After green, it is by far the *best* color at ramping, especially on a budget.
That said, I love seeing the return of more general videos now that the commander legends breakdowns are done! Happy 2021 guys :)
I think 2- or 3-color decks are most budget friendly. You're not limited to expensive options for things that one color isn't very good at, but you can still get away with playing lots of basic lands.
Building is the most exciting part. I watch loads of different RUclips videos to help with finding a theme, building a mana base. Then i use EDHreck and other decks to list out all cards i want. Then whittle them down. My last deck had a first draft list of 202 cards
Also, you guys always make the best content! Hope y’all are doing well
Josh when you said “I know that’s an improper use of the phrase ‘begs the question’,” i was so happy. Thank you!
I’m glad you guys made this
I'm 100% a jonny. That probably stems from almost never winning, and therefore, just wanting to make cool synergies.
Glad you boys are doing well.
Always nice to see the show.
I never played WoW, but used to go hard playing DoFus as a Feca. I built my first Commander deck back in 2018. It was Muldrotha, the Gravetide. Til this day, she's my favorite deck to play with.
One thing that's interesting to note is wether you build your entire deck around your commander or just have the commander as a free card in hand. I ALWAYS build my decks around my commanders, it's high risk if it's killed, but high reward when combo off in 1 turn!
JW! My family used to have Tetris Tournaments on our household Macintosh computer when I was a young teenager. (13-15 years old) Love that game! Also, My wife was Assistant to the Master Storyteller in London, and used to be the Chapter Coordinator for her Guru LARP, and had several Vampire the Masquerade LARP characters as well. -- She definitely misses it.
Oh man! My wife and I are just starting a story in vampire the masquerade. I played way back in 96 and when I saw the reprint I freaked put!
It’s excited to see the changes y’all made when it comes to deck building now vs in episodes past.
Always good to see a good commamder structure
NEED MORE OF THESE VIDEOS YEARLY! as the game expands we need more videos like this.
Lol perfect timing. I tore down a few decks and am focusing on a Rogue Tribal deck and a Gruul Elemental Beatdown deck. Always looking for something I may have missed.
Precons! They are great for getting into the game and deckbuilding. You'll be able to play with the precon and get a solid feel for what its trying to do. then you don't have to try to build something from the ground up, use it as a skeleton of sorts, after you've played it a few times you'll be able to see that you can swap this card for that one, or switch up the mana base a little. It seems to me like a more relaxing way to slowly teach yourself what needs to go into a deck and what it needs to accomplish to do well.
First deck I ever built was Jund and by god it really was like a cheesecake factory menu! It was a crash and burn in every match, but through the laughs and the tears I had such a great time. I came out of it with an intimate idea of how the cards work together and how to better do what I want to do on the table. Even though I could've had an easier time playing magic with 1 or 2 color combos, I wouldn't trade it for the fun I had playing a 3 color deck as a newcomer.
Ghave was my first commander, slowly the deck has become more and more powerful as I learned and adjusted. As 70% timmy it now combos off if enough enchantments hit the field. I run about 30 Field enchantments.