TRAINWRECKORDS: "St. Anger" by Metallica
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
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It's one of the most legendary bombs of all time -- the biggest rock band in the world turning in a tuneless blast of cacophonous trash-can banging. How did the much-maligned "St. Anger" turn Metallica from gods of metal to rock-and-roll punchlines?
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I saw Metallica at the Download Festival in 2006. At the end of the set, Lars said "Thanks everybody and sorry about that fuck-up two years ago" (referring to him being too sick to play at the 2004 event). Three separate people around me simultaneously turned to their friends and said "What, St Anger?"
I saw them at Sonisphere in 2010 - it was apparently Hetfield's birthday and the overall a cool atmosphere between the band and the crowd... except when Lars addressed the audience. Real 'fuck off' vibes then 🤣
Nothing to apologize for. They played Battery with Dave Lombardo. Probably the best that song ever sounded.
Did you get to see Strapping Young Lad? I know they were in Download '06
@@theyoyoyo7833 The worst album Devin can release in his career will always be better than the worst Metallica album. That's for sure.
@@theyoyoyo7833 i’ve watched that SYL set so many times on youtube, so good
this album sucking is what bonded my dad with my boyfriend when I took him to meet my parents after a month of so of dating, i got to sit back and watch them go to town on how much they hated St Anger. they resumed the chat at our wedding reception 6 months ago - it is their favourite subject and is way more entertaining than the album itself.
That's so wholesome lol. My ex bonded with my dad over how good Learning To Fly by Pink Floyd is
I love this!
Such a good story!!
Fucking hilarious.
Congrats on the wedding!
That rules
I just remember a local DJ announcing, "Here's the new song from Metallica" and they played the song's debut, and then he came back on and said, "That was a bag of suck!"
Haha! I miss the days when DJs had balls
The DJs in my area definitely still have balls. Corey & Patrick.
When Volbeat - Last Day Under the Sun premiered, after it finished, Corey was all "Can I make a point? I really like Volbeat. They always have big riffs, driving solos, & are just generally fun to listen to. This song sounds like it's made for little kindergartners to all hold hands to. Yeah. I guess it's a "song", but unless my kids specifically ask to hear it, I wont be playing this bullshit anymore." & i swear to god they never played it again.
@@jadedheartsz Totally. I throughly enjoyed Last Day, but then again I enjoy good music as opposed to the DJs of a butt rock station
"If we have no guitar solos in any of these songs, that dates the music to this period. " super fucking perceptive of Kirk
It's the only lucid moment in the entire documentary, he's so rational and everyone is like "Nahhh" it's a real life Spinal Tap bit.
Kinda weird how even Todd doesn't seem to agree with him on that even though he'd just spent several minutes complaining about how the lack of solos on the album was one of the big contributing factors in it tanking, because Kirk was fucking right.
And it dated the album to its period. Sure, you can name metal bands doing solos at the time, but most of the mainstream metal wasn't doing solos.
@@Aleph3575i think he agrees with the fact that the way solos were handled sucks, but that he thinks that it's not the absence of solos per se that makes the album terrible, but the lack of hooks.
In esdence, trend chasing itself wasn't the problem, it was the sheer absence of willingness to make a good album
@@Running_Colours Yeah, there are tons of hits and great metal and rock songs with no solos. But is not experimenting, is just lazy
"Meesa lifestyle determines meesa deathstyle" - Jar Jar Hetfield
Meesa lifestyle determines messa deathstar.
😂😂😂😂
Saiiiint Jar Jar 'round my neck, heeeee never gets respect - literally James f'ing Hetfield
I always hear “my wife’s style determines my dad’s style”.
I love that I'm reading this while my mom is watching Star Wars in the other room.
The best thing about St. Anger being my first Metallica song, is that there was nowhere to go but up from there.
yo do you live under a rock tho?
@@Cronposh ?
wait until you hear Lulu, it makes St Anger look like the Black Album
@@Massachamp08 Well, depending on who you ask, the Black Album isn't exactly great either lol.
@@j.j.4150 bruh the Black Album is a fantastic album, metal wouldnt be big as it is today without it and we all know it
8:14 As a drummer, I can explain the sound: Lars turned the snare off. It’s not DETUNED, it’s just off. It has been used well in songs like “I Disappear,” it’s just mixed SO LOUDLY and the reverb is BALLS!
Yeah, I think he's trying to sound like Korn, who were HUGE at the time. Lots of their songs the drummer turned the wires off on the snare.
Can I ask what does it mean to "detune" a drum?
@@stevencoffin328precussions, unlike normal pitched instruments (basically anything that is NOT a drum), when referred to as tuning it means to change the timbre of that particular piece (the ACTUAL pitch happens on the overtones, aka the "ring", thinks Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit's drums, where the snare's RING is in the key of F)
@ryujinvtubecs
Think you mean "percussion".
I have been a percussionist since 1986.
Percussion refers to any instrument that requires "striking" to produce a sound. That includes piano, BTW.
Only drum I ever tuned to match a pitch is the timpani (the kettle drums most commonly used in symphonies). Like the person already commented, Lars just turned his snare off.
@@stevencoffin328 Dankpod's 4th channel The Drum Thing is a pretty good source for Drums
Watching this right after the Will Smith episode has me wondering how many of these things feature Chris Rock hosting a show right before a career-ending event occurs.
Lol, Chris Rock being some kind of harbinger of ill fate 😂.
It's uncanny how I was literally about to post a comment to the effect of "Isn't it funny how Chris Rock was indirectly tied to two career-killing moments, both times at an award show?" And then I saw this comment.
Perhaps the most under rated comment of this entire amusing comment section.
Don't throw Chris Rocks in Glass Houses I guess?
The Chris Rock Event Horizon strikes again
@@drygnfyre "If I had a nickel for every time Chris Rock was indirectly tired to a career-killing moment, I'd have two nickels, which isn't much but it's funny how it happened twice"
Their live performance stream on Twitch getting replaced with 8bit folk tunes to avoid copyright infringement for their _own music_ felt like very delayed karma.
Copyright so strict that artists who made the music/companies that publish it... can't play it when they legally want to... *sigh*
Not unheard of, some bands or artists had their own music blocked on their own channel by the automated system.
@@battlion507 It's awful for all the other musicians getting screwed over but for those who were Metallica fans back when Lars went on his copyright striking tirade and getting Napster shut down, it's finally getting the last laugh.
If there was a right way to do music copyright, they’ve long since blown it.
every time i hear people use that royalty free song in videos now i always comment "so cool you used metallicas for whom the bell tolls live at blizzcon"
Kirk saying that the lack of guitar solos would date the album to that specific point in time was so extremely on point and accurate.
one problem with the lack of solos is metallica always writes their songs around kirk's solo, and during the solo, there's this cool jam happening behind kirk with james, cliff/jason/robert, and lars playing something bad ass.
which is one reason the songs go nowhere.
I like to think that Mtv told them "nah guys, solos are too complex for the average mtv listener"
Ya
And then came the rise of Metalcore and Djent bands which brought back guitar solos into modern metal.
Yep. It's kinda hard to explain now, but Avenged Sevenfold hitting with Bat Country with a stated goal of bringing back guitar solos and dual harmonies was actually a big deal. They were viewed as "uncool" for a loooong time.
That movie extended my marriage by at least a few years. Whenever my ex or I would blow up over nothing instead of addressing the real thing that was bothering us we called it "Suing Napster", then we'd bond over how ridiculous we were being and make up. Our eventual divorce was amicable, and our other divorced friends are all weirdly jealous, like "yeah, they really got divorce right, they don't blame each other, they don't hate each other, it just didn't work out" "Some Kind of Monster" is always going to be one of my favorite movies for that reason.
That’s like that Breakfast at Tiffany’s song but instead you have a healthy disdain for Metallica to bring you together ❤️
@@galleryofrogues "Do you REMEMBER how METALLICA, were gonna sue Napster?"
You couldn't satisfy them
This is one of the best stories I’ve ever read. Genuinely warmed my heart, thank you
@@NEEDbacon I heard that as I read it and I can't decide if it's terrible or not XD
“I think it sounds stock to my ears”-Lars Ulrich on the album that actually had stock drum sound effects
Says the most stock drummer ever.
@@Captain_Neckbeardhey that's an unfair comparison. Stock needs to be standard and listenable. Lar's garbage drumming is neither of those things!
Funny thing is, the "stock" sound that Lars complains about in Some kind of monster, is everywhere on St Anger.
It isn't just the drums that are stock.
The whole CD is filled with "stock" shit
St Anger is an unorganic, stock pile of garbage, that pretends to be lively and punky. It's all fake. That's what's provoking.
that mtv awards napster sketch is peak cringe
It's incredible that they managed to get the guy from the Dungeons & Dragons movie to be in it! :-P
The St. Anger video was nominated for Best Rock Video at the 2003 edition, but lost against Linkin Park
I like it when my favorite content creators comment on each others videos. :)
WAIT HOL UP THAT ERIK ANDRE?
@@michaelboydston313 Pretty sure that's one of the Wayans.
When I was at Marine Combat Training in 2003 someone wrote "my lifestyle determines my deathstyle" inside one of the stalls in the bathroom. So I guess it was a big hit with 18 year old Marines right out of boot camp, at least.
Sounds about right.
The single most embarrassing line from an album that almost exclusively consists of embarrassing lines! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
my poop style determines my wipe style
@@2-d_in_a_bag lol
@@2-d_in_a_bag i laughed harder than i should at this
That shot of the music video to St. Anger, where they're playing in what seems to be a parking lot, washed out with sunlight and with a slightly yellow cast to it? That's 2003. That's what 2003 looked like.
Parking lot? I thought that was the courtyard (or whatever it's called) of San Quentin Prison.
You do know 2003 was a year in real life, right? Not just an aesthetic from a Metallica music video...
That was a prison. Dumass
@@demoleramera It was just an aesthetic from a Metallica music video; it's not a real thing you dork.
I agree with that assessment. Now if we can just figure out what 2003 smells like, we’ll be all set.
I love the part of the documentary where Lars is trying to be all philosophical like "The idea of the guitar solo is outdated" and Kirks just like "Dude! This is my JOB!"
The most embarrassing thing to happen to Metallica is still copyright-claiming their own live performance on Twitch.
Wow. That sounds like an Onion headline.
@@stevegeorge6880 It was hilarious. They had to play copyright free music over it
Poetic justice at its finest.
The most embarrassing thing Metallica ever did was rejecting Les Claypool. Hetfield's best song licks shit off the shoes of Claypool's worst.
@@lulairenoroub3869 WHAT!!!!! LES CLAYPOOL COULD HAVE BEEN METALLICA'S BASSIST?!?!?! *HEAD EXPLODES*
Metallica is so legendary, they have TWO Trainwreckords-tier albums and it still wasn't enough to kill their careers.
Oh, we're counting Load and Re-Load as one album now?
@@thisisfyne I think he meant Lulu with the second one
You make 4 of the best thrash albums ever and you earn some goodwill.
@@SomeDumbKid1 they didn't even need four albums. Master of Puppets cemented their legacy.
Don't forget they are the cause of DMCA
“except for Lulu, but that is a story for another day”
Metallica will return to Trainrecords
James will return as the table.
lulu wasnt that bad...
Lulu was good, imo
Can't wait for the table wrestling memes that episode.
Lulu had decent production but it was very very poorly paced and Lou Reed sounded horrible. He really brought the album down. It would have at least been listenable if they took out Lou Reed and just had James, and maybe shaved off some of the songs like Junior Dad which are way too long for no reason.
Imagine being in prison and Metallica shows up, but then they play St. Anger.
I'd ask for the electric chair. Even if I was jailed for unpaid parking tickets or something 😂
@@matthewhodgson4447 "please, let me ride the lightning already"
@@matthewhodgson4447”flash before my eyes,now its time to die”
really underrated comment
Notice how bored the inmates all look. It's like even in jail there are better things to do than listen to Stanger
"This album is like seeing your parents cry for the first time" is one of the harshest insults I can imagine.
11:27 Pretty sure bringing prisoners out to listen to a performance of St. Anger counts as cruel and unusual punishment
better than bending over for the soap in the shower I guess...
"I'd like to go back to my cell, please."
@@jasonvaughn4886 it's not better
@@play-s-_______-osu yes, I know, they're both pretty cruel treatments...
I was about to say the same thing but I just knew someone else had to have the same thought. XD
All these references to Some Kind of Monster, and not once does Todd show Lars yelling, "HE FOCKING LEFT THE BAND?!"?
which part of that is... helloooo?!
ruclips.net/video/kj_8E3FOU4s/видео.html
Period!
Exclamation point!
ffftUUUUUUUHHHH!
Or him screaming "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK" into a microphone.
Give "In Utero" this, it still had hooks. People still belt-out, "HEY! WAIT! I got a new complaint!"
On the listenability scale, St. Anger makes In Utero sound like Revolver.
Well Kurt was always a big pop music fan. One of the funniest stories about him was he invited his friend over to his place saying "I just heard the coolest song!" And he plays his friend "My Sharona" by the Knack and it took his friend a minute to realize that he wasn't playing it as a joke and he seriously considered it one of the best songs he'd ever heard.
Oh dude. In Utero is still a great record. Heart Shaped Box is an immaculate song.
In Utero had effort put into it. Cobain simply didn't want his band to be perceived as sell-outs. It wasn't about making too much money or being too famous, it was about controlling their image.
Nobody said that In Utero was bad, just that it was intentionally abrasive (to the point where much of the lyrical content got them pulled from stores). Also, Heart-Shaped Box is essentially the only single out of the album that randos on the street recognize and can belt out.
“Especially Lars who brought in a giant beer keg to play drums on” is one of my favorite Todd jokes
It is a good analogy. I reached a similar conclusion myself when listening to it back in the day. At the time I remember saying it sounded like they were banging on Teflon pans.
@@olliep8117 My punk rock singer friend played this for me when it came out. I said the drums sounded like Lars ran them through the Pye limiter Hendrix used on the piano in Crosstown Traffic. He agreed. Then I said "Fuck this shit, put on Kill'Em All, I need to clean out my brain." So he did, and it worked.
Just watched a video on yt where a guy plays a beer keg with a metal baseball bat. 😂 Sounded better than Lars’ sound on St. Anger.
This disasterpiece is weirdly influential for me because it was the first time I ever tried to “tamper with” music. When I really discovered Metallica and later this album as a pre-teen in the mid-2000's, I saw that a lot of people on the internet were creating their own versions of St. Anger where they would do everything from drastically shorten the tracks (whether by removing parts or speeding them up to make them "thrashier") to rearrange parts to even "remix" the album and try to mitigate that ugly snare sound. I agreed that St. Anger was a bad record with a few good traits and parts waiting to be realized in a better context, so I first started taking a stab at editing a song or two from St. Anger myself at age 13.
I ended up getting carried away and spending hours of my free time editing and getting lost in Angerland. I got fairly good at splicing parts in the audio editing program I used (Amadeus II). I started getting really out there with editing - I sped up or slowed down different parts, began adding effects like reverb to others, turned bridges into choruses, removed any parts that “returned” to previous ones, etc. By the end my version of the record must've sounded fucking disturbing and probably worse than the original thing, but I liked it and I really enjoyed working on it. I learned a lot about what kinds of arrangements worked and didn’t work (at least for me), and what I wanted out of a composition. I learned to listen closely to music in a way I didn’t before and listen for details - I must’ve gone back over parts or edits dozens of times.
Even though I still thought (and still think) that St. Anger was bad, I became weirdly close to it. I became familiar with all its weird little nuances and oddities, perhaps more than anyone ever should. I started noticing how Pro-Tooled and assembled the record is, which is funny -- it was supposed to be their "raw honest roots garage band jamming together" record and yet was probably the least organic thing they ever did. If you listen closely enough, you can actually hear where some parts (mainly the drum cymbals) get cut off by the splicing of another part, especially if they’re looped (and an alarming number of parts on the record are). The whole record is like the musical equivalent of slumming.
Fast forward to today and I frequently “write” avant-garde “compositions” by splicing together, looping, layering, and otherwise manipulating raw recordings of myself and/or my friends playing mostly improvised music, so it sounds written. In a bizarre way, I have St. Anger to thank for that.
A most excellent exegesis! Your assessment of St. Anger (i.e., how it encouraged listeners not to listen passively but to immerse themselves in it, to (in a sense) deconstruct it and thereby create something new) remind me of Glenn Gould's assessment of Carlos' SWITCHED ON BACH album. If I embark on a research project about Gould's conception of the New Listener (and I might ... I'm meeting with my advisor next week), I would love to contact you for an interview, as your historical situation of St. Anger within the craft of mashup could be highly relevant to such a project.
@@melchiorhoffman Wow, thank you! I would definitely be interested in doing that interview if you decide to start your project. Thank you also for reminding me of Switched On Bach -- I haven't listened to that one in a few years. I think I'll revisit it right now. I've heard a few times that my stuff often sounds like "synth baroque" and the like, so I might find new resonance there.
@@melchiorhoffman Hello, Melchior! I thought back to this comment and thought I'd follow up on how your research project has been going and if you were still interested in that interview. Either way, I hope your day is well.
@@melchiorhoffman I've never heard such a load of pseudo-philosophical sophistry in an attempt to give meaning to what was simply a contrived attempt at being abrasive.
@@somewhatsomething4882 I am not attempting to give meaning to St. Anger itself. I applaud NEFX for having interacted with this music rather than passively listened to it. I raise a glass to NEFX for viewing the universe of recorded music as something to play with, edit, destroy, contextualize anew ... rather than as an exhibit to revere and leave untouched. That is all. (If NEFX had demonstrated this approach without even mentioning this album, I'd still be impressed.) And I agree with you that I need to write clearer. Thanks.
Trainwreckords Weird Lyrics Hall of Fame:
"And now she thinks she's bissexual" (Lauryn Hill)
The entire "Door to Door" song (Creedence Clearwater Revival)
"In a word to, Yah! The wisdom tooth, So open up and say aaaah-men, rinse cup, hey and spit again" (Van Halen)
"I am the modren man" (Styx)
"I'd love to hurt the population" (Hootie & The Blowfish)
"Keep you and hold you, after I scold you, I hope I can mold you" (Arrested Development)
"Mary Jane, I wanna roll you down to the fields where you were born" (Spin Doctors)
The supreme god:
"You're being a penis, colada that is" (Liz Phair)
And now, a new addition to the family:
"MADLY IN ANGER WITH YOU"
Edit: A few great additions I missed, thanks for commenting lol
"We love Spam in America / Polanski's banned from America" (Jewel)
The entire "American Life" Rap (Madonna)
"A Tribe Called Quest is a bad investment" (MC Hammer)
"We aint gonna be treated like trash, we got one thing, we are the Clash" (Bernie Rhodes)
"Gay man, looking for another / Candyman, yeah the candyman can" (Van Halen again)
Also the entirety of magic pie (Oasis)
That Liz Phair episode just made me cry.
@@prufrock1977 Yeah, her entire discography does that.
The whole American Life rap (Madonna)
Also "my life style determines my death style", "tick tick tick tick tick tick tick TICK TICK TICK TOCK" and " St Anger round my neeeeecckk"
My mind is blown that "My lifestyle determines my deathstyle" isn't something They Might Be Giants made up for Scott Bower, since it's such a dorky sentence.
Love TMBG. Scott Bower, Scott Bowerrrrr
I don’t think the drums were replaced by an oil barrel.
I think it’s more accurate that he’s playing with a Half-Life crowbar.
Oh god you're right. While Gordon was in stasis for 20 years after the Black Mesa Incident, his crowbar ended up in the hands of Lars, who somehow... turned it into a drum or something. ANYWAY, that was that until he lost it and Barney got it back to give to Gordon once he got out of stasis.
@@accountwontlastlong1 Barney is actually Lars Ulrich and was using it as a drumstick
Yeah one of the guys in Slipknot plays with kegs or oil drums in his kit and they don't sound anywhere near as bad.
To me, it sounds like he’s dribbling a dodgeball lol
"Lars Freeman, who is Gordon Freeman's brother..."
my 6th grade teacher, who was like a 60 year old woman whose primary interest was Elvis Presley, was a huge metallica fan. just to add to that ''bigger than metal'' thing
My friend's pastor father is a Metallica fan
@@boomslang182 Just like all those republican congressmen who claim they love Rage Against the Machine. Irony can be a hell of a drug.
I had a 60 year old teacher who was a Rodgers and Hart fan who hated Elvis. But she got totally turned on to Texas favorites The Judys, and also the B-52's and Devo. She knew a couple of the Jonestown killers and thought "Guyana Punch" by The Judys was the infamy they deserved.
@Stella Hohenheim stop upvoting your own comments
@@seymourglass26 Exactly lol
St. Anger is like a coworker who's talking way too much about their personal life problems to the point where its uncomfortable and annoying
Best review ever.
That's exactly how I feel about some woman whom I worked with at a CVS named Margaret. She was exactly as you described.
Watch me drop these "PORN BOMBS ON MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY YEAHHHH!!!"
"Turns out...ooops!!! Sorry busy parents, I happen to like BDSM!!!!!"
"Ok real talk.....TURNS OUT BDSM DIDN'T SCRATCH THAT WEIRD-ASS ITCH AND I LOVE random "midget and horse porn oh GOD please eensure safety like my God why...???
"
@@dostwood5103 my mother is a margaret who used to work at cvs.
And now every Metallica song is like that now.
Let’s not forget that the early 2000’s had some HEAVY competition in the rock scene. Like even if you weren’t into emo or nu metal. Just two years earlier tool came out with lateralus and soad came out with toxicity. Not only did you not want to listen to st anger to begin with but you had other far better options to listen to at the time.
Seriously. Two words: Linkin Park.
Slipknot, Sepultura. Metallica isn't that heavy anymore.
@@johnps1670heavy music nowadays is practically unlistenable. I dont care if that makes me sound old, its fuckin unintelligible and extremely grating
@@DatBoi-mo9vc nowadays, yeah. But it was still pretty good in the 2000s (specially in the early half of the decade)
my favourite thing about Todd is that he's one of the few youtubers whose videos got progressively better over the years. not to say that his old videos are bad necessarily, but his best content has arguably come out in these last two years. and this might be one of his best videos yet. love you, Todd.
That's true of pretty much all ex-channel awesome folk, I think. Without being chained to the formula and expectation of surface level snark, they've had the chance to shift into better, deeper critics even while retaining a sense of humor
@@margaretmadole True! Lindsey Ellis comes to mind, especially.
@@margaretmadole I mean, just look at Lindsay Ellis as a perfect example of what you just described. She has made some of the best analysis videos on this website, and she just had to break free from the restraints of Channel Awesome for her to do it.
That is obviously a big factor. In retrospect, many of the reviewers who worked under TGWTG were so much better at their job than their own boss lmao.
Agreed. His old videos weren't bad, exactly, but they definitely flew too close to the, "angry random dude is insulting about everything," RUclips craze (that thankfully mostly has died out by now,) and become a lot more thoughtful.
Kind of the funny thing here is, we could all totally imagine what the good version of this album might be.
Like, take that song 'St Anger' for instance - the good version of that would vocalise something to the effect of "I wear St Anger around my neck for protection, but it also keeps away people who care about me - my anger is a comforting thing that is also destroying me".
That's potentially really powerful, but the song itself is just so nothingy.
THAT IS SUCH A GREAT IDEA
Seriously, how did they not lean into that?
@@xemnufromthemagicplanet1678 Cuz Metallica were never great songwriters, lyrically. They never explored concepts, never tied themes together...
Every album was just a collection of songs, and that's what Metallica did. It grew tiresome, especially when they sold out...
Even Queensryche had deeper song writing. Carnivore had a concept and theme. Nuclear Assault did the whole 'crunchy, endlessly repeating mosh riff' stuff better.
By the time the Black album was released, Metallica had sold out and their most popular song off that god forsaken piece of garbage record was based on a nursery rhyme.
Even Megadeth did that concept better, on 'Go To Hell,' from the 'Bill and Ted 2' soundtrack.
I liked your comment - something so obvious, but Metallica just never really 'got it' when it came to writing songs.
Frustrating and sad.
@@JohnSmith-mk1rj One? Unforgiven? Ronnie? Sanitarium?
This kind of slight lyric reworking to make the intentions come through better is something I honestly wish Mike Patton (Faith No More, Tomahawk) had. His lyrics are unique and interesting, but they feel like a bunch of words that, in and of themselves, don't really mean anything.
They just needed someone to come behind him and change a few words to give the songs a bit more context or something.
also the easy fix for the stupid title... just call it St. James! or St. Hetfield if you don't want the comparison to actual Saint James. OR you can lean into it since James was the first to be martyred
The idea that the way we live foreshadows the way we die is really a profound and impactful one. It deserved such better writing than "My lifestyle determines my death style"
*in dreaded black and white, hands on head in confusion* my life style determines my death style....
*in neon lights, thumbs up, shades and rose colored nostalgia* MY LIFESTYLE DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE, YEEEHEEEH, YEEEEHEH!
That’s what happens when you let anyone other than James write lyrics
Is it bad that I think that's the best lyric on the album?
Don't you mean "My lifestyle (donk donk) determines my death style"
@@morley364 Ah yes, my mistake!
St. Anger backing a Jar Jar Binks scene was the nightmare I never knew I would suffer.
I loved it. 地獄 is what I live for.
Jar Jar > you.
@@commandercaptain4664 “I’m madly in Jar Jar with you.”
MEESA FRANTIC TIC TIC TICK TOCK
@Julie Miller And Jar Jar for All.
"I'M A LONELY LITTLE BOY AND I NEED TO BE LOVED; DAD WAS REAL MEAN AND NOW I NEED A HUG"
Bro I'm crying lmfaoooo
Shut the f****** You're Metallica not Weezer
>Super Macho Man Who Hasn't Felt Love In 10 Years
>Sad little boy who is misunderstood
Pick one James XD
James Hetfield (covering Amy Winehouse): "They try to make me go to rehab I say YEAH YEAHHHH YEAH"
One of my first jobs was at a pizza place, and I had a friend who bought this album the morning it came out.
He pulled into the parking lot blaring it, hopped out of the car talking about how awesome it was...but by the end of our 6 hour shift, he had slowly come to terms that the album literally sounded like garbage.
It was actually sad, he came into work so happy...
Basically my experience with Netflix's reboot of Aggressive Retsuko. I was a high schooler with really annoying classmates, so I loved the original shorts, and I was excited to hear it was coming to Netflix. Then, when it finally premiered on Netflix, I watched a little bit of the first episode in the car on the way home, and, well... let's just say that after finding out how they screwed up the show, my traditional Friday pizza didn't taste as good as it usually does. I stopped using Netflix permanently, I burst into random fits of rage in class, and I wished I could stop being so angry, but couldn't. In essence, Netflix's version of Aggressive Retsuko was my personal St. Anger and it effectively turned me into St. Anger.
My stepdad has a similar experience listening to WEEKEND WARRIORS by Ted Nugent. He was a huge fan, then heard that and it slowly creeped on him, "Oh no, this isn't good..."
Same. I was so pumped but before I even got halfway through the album I was just crushed. XD
@@Bismuth83X XD I'm sorry man, it's really the worst when something you love is eviscerated right before your eyes.
@@seamusburke639 Henry Rollins had a good story about Ted Nugent before and during Weekend Warriors. Not only did Weekend Warriors suck, but Ted made the mistake of having this up-and-coming band called Van Halen opening on that tour, who ended up upstaging Ted.
Metallica 1983: Thrash metal
Metallica 2003: Trash cans metal
@Luke you have to emphasize the drum sound
@@lilo5437 And trash 'the rest of it'.
@Luke Just 'trash'.
metallica 2021: royalty free 8 bit music
Metallica 2003: Crash metal.
This episode may give Dave Mustaine more pleasure then he may admit..
Mustaine has a big trainwreckord called "Risk" and everything else after that is just ok at best.
@@Snarl616 lol no. Dystopia is amazing. Better than anything Metallica has done since the Black Album.
@@Snarl616 Megadeth is more consistently good than Metallica though. Metallica has had far better bangers, sure, but everything in the last 20 years is a disaster.
Opinions. I don't like "The world needs a hero", "Criptyc writings" and "Thirteen" and I think that "Super collider" is another disaster, but I admit that "Endgame" is good. Still, Megadeth's spark doesn't come back. They did too many bad albums.
Dave being so offended about "Some Kind Of Monster" that he almost never reconciles with Metallica is hilarious given how much more level-headed he comes across in his eigh minutes than James and Lars
Fun Fact. St. Jerome is the Catholic saint of Anger. Or at least the saint you pray to in order to control your anger.
9:50 Important context regarding Metallica's anti-Napster stance and Lars Ulrich in particular.
1. They weren't just against it, they wanted the government to criminally charge anyone who downloaded their music via Napster and have them pay a $100,000 fine/ per song, even though Metallica themselves would not exist as a band if not for metalheads sharing bootlegs of their music in their early days, they didn’t have the airwave saturation and studio support to make it big without those tapes.
2. "Ulrich talked this huge game about how it ~hurt~ him as an ~artist~ and tried to play like pirates were damaging the lives and livelihood of the musicians whose music they pirated. This was especially necessary to hit Napster’s userbase because I cannot express to you how much everyone loathed record labels in the 90s and aughts, we all knew they were greedy capitalist parasites who abused consumers and artists alike, but we did genuinely like the musicians who made music and wanted them to prosper, so if we were hurting them and not the labels like we thought we should probably stop, right?
But Ulrich had his own fucking record company. He was lying through his filthy teeth about artists being hurt by piracy, the only money coming out of his pocket was what he fleeced from the other artists he managed."
Yeah, well now streaming has destroyed the music industry...so, well done.
@@lucasoheyze4597 in what way?
@@benis9684 Record sales have collapsed, streaming makes very little income except for the biggest artists.
Here is what you left out.
It all could have been avoided had Napster blocked an unfinished version of I Disappear. That was all they wanted at the beginning. So it did start as being about an artist controlling their own art. Napster brought it on themselves.
Also Blackened Records was 15 years off so no Lars did not own a record company, and really still doesn't, he is part owner of a record label.
@@soulcrusher807
I wasn’t defending Napster, I know many smaller artists made case for it, but I‘m fine saying they were bad, and that particular case is fair, but whatever it started as, it ended with them wanting to sue fans for insane amount of money, for the thing that made them big in the first place.
Also, no, Lars became a record exec a year BEFORE Napster existed. Get you facts straight.
Oh boy... Can't wait for Todd to scream "I AM THE TABLE!"
Wrong album.
k
@@samuelskillern7365 "Metallica will return in: Trainwreckords - Lulu"
Fellow Botchamania viewer?
I can't wait to see Todd "Worship someone who actively despises you. Who actively despises you."
12:36 Hetfield as a stern dad fits. He'd go on to narrate an anti-porn documentary. Not kidding.
Meatallica
9:11 This isn't an exaggeration, the album version of Death Magnetic was compressed and boosted to the point that there is audible clipping on the tracks (loudness wars and all that) while the Guitar Hero Metallica versions of the songs somehow evaded this treatment. As far as I know, anyway.
Neversoft remixed the album for both GH 3 and Metallica... and even DJ Hero's mix [forgot which song but it was a Death Magnetic mix with another]
Im even more baffled that band allowed it to be different, or well in this case, better.
For the Guitar Hero and Rock Band games, the songs were basically mixed on the fly by the game, so if a player misses notes their instrument drops out. Often times, towards the end of the music game era, the developers were given access to the master recordings for the songs to be able to achieve this effect, basically giving them carte blanche to mix it how they saw fit. Otherwise, the songs would actually be re-recorded by a cover band, so they would have a master recording. In Guitar Hero Metallica, all of the songs are based on actual master recordings, some I think were redone for this game by the original artists. This is why the songs from …And Justice for All sound a lot better too.
As for why Metallica would allow these versions to sound different, my best guess is it was this, or some other band covers your songs.
@@meWASHER Neversoft got the masters before it was *officially* mastered. Remember: they had to do animation and charting for every song for it to be ready for album release day.
@@meWASHER and with Guitar Hero, you could always tell which ones were the original and which were covers before the song even starts, as the artist credit would say something like "originally by" or "made famous by" if it was a cover.
I just realised how much this album feels like the Green Day trilogy. It's the singer working through his issues on a supposed back to basics creation with the producer that made them big not stepping in to say it's a mess. The only difference is the trilogy is three albums and has more solos than usual.
Uno Dos Tre didn't really kill Green Day's relevance tho, they just kind of fizzled out after 21CB and the decline of Pop-Punk in general
@@patoren3gou653 but Father of All... did.
@@musyarofah1 honestly Im More of a blink guy than a Green Day guy so I haven't listened to it yet but I have not heard great things about it
Still can’t believe they made 3 albums just out of a joke of their drummers name
@@Z_Viper08 not to mention it appears to be a joke by Billie’s wife, Adrienne. Given how high Billie was & how seemingly uncritical Rob was as a producer, it makes a frustrating amount of sense.
I actually liked St. Anger when it released. I'm sure it's a coincidence that I was 10 years old and had literally just discovered Metallica a week prior.
All the songs here sound like bad parodies of heavy metal music written by someone who hates heavy metal.
yeah.
I think this is the most accurate description of this album I’ve ever heard.
i swear to god, you are just describing james hetfield when he was doing this album.
All their songs sound like that, period.
At least Spinal Tap was fun.
Todd: "is it going to sound like that the entire album?"
This is going to be a long 70 minutes.
*clonk* *clonk*
@@homebrewcity people do realize that metallica re-recorded the whole thing with better sounding drums right?
@@austindolan7182 who cares? The album they recorders and released which went to number 1 in 30 countries and was heard by millions is the one with THAT snare sound
@@austindolan7182 As far as I know, no they didn't. Other people have done this, namely a group made up of fellows named Daryl Gardner, Chris Dando, and Dave Cox.
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@@zachgravatt5571 So people blindly buying your album on name recognition is the same thing as carefully crafting and producing it? Good to know that the quality of art is only as good as the promotional ability of your music label.
I guess Pearl Jam must be an incredible band because they've sold more live albums than anyone else in modern history.
St Anger - incontrovertible proof that 'abrasive and difficult' isn't the same thing as 'good.'
In defense of the snare, the same out-of-tune "oil can" sound can sound great, and is used by many slam / grind bands. It's just that the rest of the record is mixed so poorly and it's so loud that it sticks out in a really unfortunate way.
Chili Peppers
donk!
i like the sound in isolation, in my own production when i'm working with acoustic drums i try to bring out those (in)harmonics
but i make electronic music, the tone makes it stick out more under all the synths
Yeah because Lars always has the drums mixed way too high
It would be a fun unique sound in another genre where the feel was completely different. Alt rock bands like Kaisers Orchestra, and stuff that came along during the "steampunk" bandwagon, and even some folks mentioning synth up there, stuff like Primus, I bet if one is creatively clever it can totally be possible to make an amazing hook with that offtune oil drum sound. It just sounds like painful garbage because the tempo and the vocals and everything else is a pile of mess.
It's true that the weird pangy snare is really common in goregrind and slam, but honestly I think it sounds doofy as hell in those genres too. It serves a clearer purpose for sure (it cuts through the usually very muddy and massively downtuned guitars, which themselves are usually playing very chaotic music so the mix is an intentionally crowded, sludgy mess) but whenever the snare has an identifiable tone attached to it beyond just a percussive punch, it's super distracting, especially if the band is fond of gravity blasts and such. Last Days of Humanity is a top tier goregrind band but they genuinely do sound like St Anger on fast forwards a lot of the time. I don't hate it on principle, I think Putrid Pile is pretty good and I think they have that snare sound, but I do think that basically any album that utilizes it would be improved if it didn't.
It's like, I dunno, taking a really beefy sidegate from darksynth and trying to utilize it on a Freedom Call album. It just flatly does not work.
So after re-reading "This Monster Lives" recently (the book about the making of "Some Kind of Monster") I was able to glare an insight that might explain a lot: So Metallica had dragged their feet with getting any semblance of a record ready in 2002 so before Christmas of that year, the label came in and said that they had to put a record out by June 2003, which meant they needed to have the album delivered by the beginning of April so they can start marketing it. The problem? Metallica only had about 3 songs written and recorded by Christmas 2002, meaning they had to cobble together a whopping 8 songs in about 3 months.
Also, James didn't write all of the lyrics. As a part of their therapy sessions during the writing of the album, Lars and Kirk wrote lyrics as well so every song on the album is a lyrical Frankenstein's monster of James, Lars, and Kirk.
Sounds an awful lot like the story of how the implosion of megadeth's "classic line up" happened in 1998 when they were recording risk.
Dave Mustaine had a bad relapse in the winter of '97 that combined with the artistic and creative differences he was having with marty freidman and created a powder keg within the band that finally came to a head during a group therapy session when marty basically told dave that he was an asshole who was destroying the band by not letting them have some say in the musical direction of the band.
In response to this confrontation dave gave in and let marty have more say in the musical direction of the band which led directly to an in studio battle between dave and marty while they were making risk, marty wanted to "paint with more colors than battleship grey" and dave was intent on trying to recapture the sound of countdown to extinction so a compromise was made in which marty was given more writing freedom.
That's why risk is so patchy in that when it's good the songs are great but when its bad the songs are almost unlistenable.
Some kind of monster indeed!
And they always did music first, then lyrics. The lyrics were always tailored to fit the music. In his interview with Noel Gallagher Lars said that he doesn’t understand how some bands write the lyrics first as you just end up with the music and lyrics not fitting each other, which is ironic because that’s exactly what happened with this album
I was actually genuinely surprised to watch a scene from the documentary on RUclips and saw Kirk being the guy who came up with the "my lifestyle determines my deathstyle" lyrics.
And all this time Robert was vibing in the corner. "Omg omg i'm Metallica".
Iirc this was his first Metallica album, way to start.
All these songs scream to me "We listened to Rage Against the Machine and System of a Down and now we have about 20 minutes to start sounding like that before we fade into obscurity."
That’s an insult to RATM and SOAD!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
@@kylehegedus5498 It's much worse imitation for sure
Definitely can hear a SOAD influence now that you mention it
@@ShogunZIlla The screams sound just like Serj Tankian but without the vocal range to pull it off.
@@555Tbird without the vocal range and otherworldly charisma of Serj!
“I have never been more acutely aware of James Hetfield as a human being, and I hate it.” That line is absolutely perfect. If I was let down by Load and Reload, I was depressed by St. Anger. It just put a stake in the heart of Metallica. And the documentary just made James and Lars look like insufferable egomaniacs. It was well past time for me to abandon ship.
Thank you for not lumping Kirk in with James and Lars as insufferable egomaniacs. If there's one innocent figure in this story, it's him (and Robert, of course).
This album was Lars's revenge to people who pirated their music. Anyone who paid for this garbage did not get their money's worth
If anything it accidental case for "try before you buy" piracy. Why should I sink $30 into the new album if it sounds like trash with no hooks or profound lyrics? At least with sharing, (or these days) streaming or iTunes I can get a good taste of the contents and If I like it.
@@nomobobby I completely agree. Regardless of how Napster, Metallica, etc. has changed the landscape of the music industry today, you're best bet for being a successful musician who gets paid for their work is to make good music
I get artists being upset about piracy, but I don't think they've fully thought it through. How many of those people who pirated music were potential customers? People who pirate are usually people who can't afford to buy every new album, or even any albums at all in some cases. Either that, or they aren't willing to pay what's being charged, and if they didn't have the opportunity to pirate they wouldn't bother with the music in the first place. Still others are exposed to music they end up loving through online piracy, and they make a point to buy the album later to support the band. Arguably, online music piracy is free publicity. If Lars could push a button to prevent everyone everywhere from ever pirating his music again, I really don't think he'd see his album sales go up a statistically significant amount.
The other thing I wanted to mention about piracy is that it happens for a reason. Piracy is a simple way consumers can push back against shitty business practices- such as stores charging $20 for even the shittiest album (circa late 90s and 2000s). If music had been offered at an affordable price, piracy would not have taken off like it did. But like many commodities in America, the higher the demand the higher the price. To me that doesn't make sense, and feels like childish logic. Raising prices because a lot of people want to buy your product seems to make logical sense on paper, but I would point out that you're also excluding a huge swath of potential customers who can't afford the new price. Would more profit not result from lowering prices the more demand goes up so as many people as possible can afford to buy your product? I don't know, I'm high.
@@choronos another thing I think he failed to think about is that album sales are not all of the income a band makes. Metallica played/plays GIGANTIC concerts! Lars Ulrich had a massive list of people he tried to sue which was, in a hypothetical sense, enough people to fill a concert. If a band I liked sued me, whether they were my favorite band or just something I put on occasionally, I'd never even consider giving them a cent of my money
@@Metalballs50 That's true too. Bands probably make more from their concert ticket sales than they do from album sales given how big a cut the label takes. Also a good point about the litigation. I'm certain Metallica lost a lot of fans/customers by being such huge dicks about everything and literally suing fans. I read in another comment thread under this video that Lars openly admits in a VH1 Behind the Music that they initially got big from encouraging people to share bootlegs of their early shows/eps. Turns out a lot of people hearing your music helps you become a successful band, who knew.
The part in “Some Kind of Monster” when they literally couldn’t jam together as a band was mind blowing to me. They couldn’t just, play together. I could never look at them the same way after.
Just sad how the mighty Metal gods fall.
I've heard Metallica SONGS live twice. They were covers by other bands I had gone to see. I'm still convinced I saw the superior versions
@@kaydwessie296 Same here. These days, I often find covers of Metallica songs better than the originals.
@@kaydwessie296 I saw Metallica live in 2019 and they were bloody great! There's a reason why they're as big as they are - they're an excellent live band.
Guns 'n' Roses made Use Your Illusion 1 & 2 from opposite sides of the planet.
They struggled to tolerate each other, long enough to pump out the albums and tour.
So this sort of thing isn't unheard of
James Hetfield’s vocal performance in “Frantic” sounds like he's doing a Trey Parker impression.
I'm surprised South Park never took a jab at "St. Anger." Or maybe they did and I missed it.
@@drygnfyrethey made a jab at Lars’ take on music piracy in their classic Christian rock episode
I seem to remember Trey Parker telling a story once about doing the temp vocals for “Little Boy You’re Going to Hell” before Hetfield came into the studio to record. Apparently he was like “hey, this doesn’t sound like me at all,” whereas Matt and Trey both claim that they sounded identical. Hilariously enough, until hearing that I had always assumed it was Parker doing a parody of Hetfield’s voice 😂
The people who love Metallica the most are metalheads and Metallica fans, the people who HATE Metallica the most are metalheads and Metallica fans
This is a perfect description my dude.
So basically, Metallica is the “Star Wars” of metal
@@Pundit07 That checks out I would say.
You either like the black album or you hate the black album, very little in between
"No one hates _________________ like ________________________ fans."
I was in a relationship with a MASSIVE Metallica fan when this came out. He even had the star/square logo tatted between his shoulder blades. He went nuts for St. Anger- going so far as to buy me a copy too. He swore up and down that it was "really good" and applauded them for "not following a formula". I can't help but think his passion for it was some kind of Stockholm Syndrome as a fan- he was trying to convince himself how good it was as much as he was trying to convince me and our friends.
scrolling through the comment section reading these kinds of stories is very entertaining
@@Flowtail 😂😂 I can imagine
St. Anger is horrible. Off key breaking vocals can ruin a song for me. The flubby guitars was the next thing that ruined it. And the third was the snare drum. The riffs were shite. The lyrics were shite. The songs were an 8 minute long journey that took you nowhere. Back when load and reload released we all got nervous. Then St. Anger released and it was evident that the Metallica I have listened to since 1986 were gone. At least in studio record form.
Fan is short of fanatic, so it makes sense that fans have no objectivity.
It's okay. Fans did that with Star Wars: Episode I at first, too.
“My lifestyle determines my death style” sounds like a lame platitude you’d hear in rehab
It is. It's an AA thing.
😂😂😂😂😂he shoulda stayed drunk😂😂😂
I feel like it was their take on a system of a down song but they didn't understand what made system so unique
right? like 'tat that right across my chest brother'
@@Robert-rw6pi oh that figures. I was just being pithy but I should’ve guessed that was the case.
I remember walking into a record store (when that was still a thing) and this was playing. Even the salesman couldn't lie to me. "Is the whole f*cking album this bad or just this one song?", I asked. "The whole album sucks, dude", was his answer. (These are the guys that are supposed to CONVINCE me to buy stuff.)
Oh my God! Not even the salesman could get you to buy "St. Anger". 😆
Like they give a fuck, bruh they're minimum wage workers
I remember an ad on WEBN Cincinnati where the radio host (probably paraphrased here) said, "What, we're not allowed to make fun of that album? They're still trying to sell it? Alright, fine, St. Anger's *[audible laugher in the background]* good. Sure."
@@aw2584 it could have been an independently owned one.
The magazine "Metal Maniacs" summed it up perfectly....
"St. Anger is the sound of rich people slumming."
There's a "Trainwreck" brand guitar amp in the background of their studio. Perfect.
This album is THE album this series was made for.
Exactly.
Talk about an episode that is the definition of a long time coming
I've literally been waiting since the first ever trainwreckords for this
Damn, now Todd must feel like Wiley E. Coyote after finally catching and eating the Roadrunner. Where do you go from here?
@@Cim me too
Just to point out: The lyric's weren't written by James. All the members had to write them together as part of therapy.
Speaking of lyrics, I'm still kind of mad at them for just recycling old lyrics from Damage Inc. (and other songs) for this album. That was insultingly lazy, and it bugs me that I don't see many people point that out.
They're still bad
It's an explanation, not an excuse, and I for one appreciate learning it, thank you for sharing.
@@qty1315 Most people see it as a reference instead, maybe?
They should have just done what they used to do and take inspiration from HP Lovecrat and Ernest Hemingway
Fun fact: There is actually a catholic patron saint of recovery from addiction, called Saint Maximilian Kolbe, so the lyric could have been “Saint Kolbe round my neck”...
Huh, that replaces “Anger” nicely, and would make the lyrics way more meaningful.
Though maybe instead of “around my neck” it could be “above my head”, since he’s the saint of recovering from addiction and is more positive a force by default.
Though if he wanted to show that despite the sobriety, he’s still shaking off the addiction and it still has a hold over him, it could work...
OP, you know if there is a saint of recovering from anger issues/ learning patience? If so, I can't help but think it would've been a better title. St. Anger sounds oddly childish. Like "He's an angel who makes me madder! I call him ST. Anger!"
@@nomobobby There are a few different interpretations of "Patience" as a virtue in catholicism, Saint Monica is apparently one but she is also the patron saint of married women and was sainted because of her patience enduring her unfaithful husband, which might be a bad look for Metallica. Another is Saint Jerome, who is said to be a patron protector of people with anger issues, but again he's more a patron of librarians and that might be a little too weird of a cut... Another idea might be Job, who is an exemplar of patience from the bible what with enduring suffering at the hands of Satan, but Job is definitely a difficult name to fit into a decent rythm. I felt the song more was about his addiction issues than necessarily the anger that it caused, so I feel like Kolbe would be the best fit.
@@CobaltKitty Hmm... Thanks for the info. At the least I would buy any of those as artistic license as opposed to "St. Anger" though, even if its off it sounds more authentic. What's the next album; "St. Depression" or demon "Sloth"? Its just so childishly blunt its almost as bad as the drums.
IDK anything about Metallica (not my genre), so reading these lyrics as a outsider- I don't get it. It reads like anger is the main problem instead of the symptom of addiction. Maybe the rest of the album puts into to context? TBH I'm scratching my head wondering if it has more to do with the band drama, Like his uncontrollable rage leads him to self medicate which only makes the problem worse when it wears off? That feels like such a stretch though...
(Why is it always the Trainwreckords that leave me questioning every choice on it? I'm thinking too much for a record I'd never listen to)
I love St. Max Kolbe! He is so inspiring, and the fact that he volunteered to die in the stead of another person that he barely knew (in Auschwitz) makes me cry every time I think about it. That's one of the greatest acts of love. I didn't know he was the patron saint of addiction until you mentioned this though, so thank you so much for sharing, and God bless!
I remember in Highschool that my metalhead friends were all excited because they really expected the next "Ride the lightning". It was sad. The first day they thought it was good, the second they said that two or three songs were kinda ok. The third day they stopped talking about it. For months!
“Replacing the percussion with squeaky dog toys” someone who could pull that off was Frank Zappa
Also, obvious MST3K reference.
Arcade Fire could probably get away with it
And any project fronted by David Byrne
I've seen Cesar Zuiderwijk (drummer for Golden Earring) do exactly that during a clinic: play a solo with something like 8 squeaky, sausage-shaped dog toys in every nook and cranny.
Just look for "Through the Fire and Chicken" on RUclips to see how you should replace percussion with a squeaky dog toy.
Love that “METALLICA will return in TRAINWRECKORDS: LULU” tag at the end
the rare double Trainwreckord
I AM THE TABLE
I was thinking the same
Can't wait to hear about Lou Reed's obsession with "colored" people.
Never made it more than 10 seconds into it
What if James Hetfield was browsing Home Depot for new flooring and said "My lifestyle... Determines my textile!!"
Edit: I don't know things ok?
"'Frantic' but the snares are replaced with Home Depot buckets" would make for an interesting concept.
Not necessarily a better one, but an interesting one nonetheless.
😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
What if he was at a computer store deciding between Microsoft and Apple and he went "My lifestyle....determines my Text File"
If that didn't happen, I say that it still did.
St. Anger is a detox. It perhaps shouldn't have been put out but I suppose they felt they had to put something out.
I do feel so bad for Kirk though. He literally did not need to be a part of that. He had like no input and doesn't really play anything different to James. It was a musical detox for James and Lars, with Kirk simply "allowed to be there".
Kirk is credited as a writer in every song of the album. He literally wrote the fucking "my lifestyle determines my deathstyle" line. Fym he had "no input" lol
I actually tried listening to this album once. As soon as he started saying "my life style determines my death style" I just gave up, that line is so fucking stupid
The way he sings too, just doesn't work...
I like frantic, it’s a bit dumb, but it’s a fun song. If you think frantic is bad listen to Invisible Kid.
I've grown to like frantic after attempting to listen again I've never heard invisible kid though
@@WitchSupreme I just thought it was dumb, the only part I hated was “Frantic tic tic tic tic tic tok.” Now I like it. Invisible Kids got a couple good parts but the verse lyrics are so stupid and the breakdowns awful.
Wow. I felt exactly the same way at exactly that point in Frantic when I first heard it. Weirdly I still experience an almost 'hardwired' reluctance to critise them which stems from a childhood worship of Master of Puppets and Justice. Late 80s. Sad but true.
One scene that I've always remembered from "Some Kind of Monster" is Metallica playing a song off "St. Anger" for one of their managers, Cliff Burnstein. The band is all nodding their heads in time to the music, while Cliff looks visibly bored and actually checks his watch like "how much longer do I have to listen to this shit?"
Mine was when Lars plays a track he thinks might be the opening song for his dad, who says: "If I was you, I would delete that" 😆😆😆
@@lucasoheyze4597 The big scene I remember is them finally deciding to fire Phil after starts overstepping his role, and Kirk pipes up asking, "Wait, can we do that?"
...YES, KIRK. YOU CAN FIRE PEOPLE YOU EMPLOY. JESUS.
"I realize now that I barely knew you before...
F*CK!" How have I *NOT* watched this prime cut of interband drama? Clips make it out to be the best thing attached to this album TBH. Anyone know if its streaming anywhere? I wanna see it after watching this.
@@nomobobby Any luck tracking it down? It is most definitely the best thing that has to do with this album. It's pure cringe, watching men that have been so rich and privileged for so long, and have been surrounded by "yes men" so completely, that they have lost touch with each other, their music, and reality in general. Their "problems" are so petty and so far from what average people would think are problems, that it's kind of eye-opening to see what the ridiculously rich artists of the world think are problems with getting angry over. They are most definitely worlds away from the struggling band that made Master of Puppets and toured in a van.
@@dvt1393 Now I'm not going to say to watch it on putlocker or levidia, especially if you have adblocker installed
but
I remember when this record was released. I was in tenth grade at the time. There was a kid in my class who were a massive fan of this band. He was usually very happy and upbeat, but one day when he turned up at school it looked like he had completely given up on life. The first thing I heard him say that day was "Metallica sucks!", in a really frustrated and helpless voice. It turned out that he had gone to the record store the previous day and bought St. Anger.
This documentary and the album, were amongst the first big lessons in my teenage life. Realized that I don't really want to know anything about people, who make music/movies/books that I like.
The problem with St.Anger is everyone was saying that Metallica wasn't metal anymore. After the Black Album, they did Load which was Hard Rock at best, then they did Re-load. On the Reload tour they insisted on doing short medley's of kill em all and garage days songs on acoustic guitars on stage. It seemed like they were abandoning everything that gave them their reputation by 2000. Then the Napster thing happened. St.Anger was supposed to be them going back to the speed and thrash heaviness, then we got an unfinished, terribly mixed, forgettable album that almost everyone wanted to forget
James hedfield screaming sounds like Tom Kenny slightly miffed. He goes into excited spongebob a couple times in this video
Glad it wasn't just me who couldn't stop hearing Ice King Adventure Time screaming whenever poor Jimmy tried to hit those screamo wails.
Lifestyle determines deathstyle sounds like something a very passive aggressive physician tells an overweight patient that doesn't follow the diet plan they agreed upon. Also, here I am thinking the patron saint of anger was Sam Kinison, or at least Yosemite Sam.
Epic Comment.
Ooh! Rassim frassim napster!
Sam Kinison would definitely be the Saint of Anger!
I like to see Todd in the Shadows do a Trainwreckords video on Man of the Woods by Justin Timberlake. It didn't entirely end his music career per se, but it most certainly ended his peak era.
Todd basically confirmed it a few years ago
it's too recent i think
@@samylemzaoui2298 I agree. He might make another album that might revive his career.
Chance’s Big Day Trainwreckords when?
@Naten64 Really digging the Wolfwalkers thumbnail
1. frantic wanted to be System of a Down. Its like if someone how barely understood SOAD made a song for SOAD.
2. st. anger feels like a stream of conciousness to me. kind of like that song (i think it was korn) where the lead singer just went into a fugue state and started ranting about a child hood abuser of his. The difference is that THAT song didnt ever intend to be a song, it was just musical therapy.
3. The whole thing feels like...chaos. They couldn't actually agree on anything anymore but couldn't take not being metallica anymore so they just....fuckin made SOMETHING.
"My lifestyle determines my deathstyle" is one of the funniest things anybody has ever screamed.
It legitimately sounds like the sort of shit some person who newly got obsessed with yoga and no longer has a personality would tell someone on their terrible first date
Blasting this line in your car Hi-Fi is even more embarrassing than blasting Deaf Magnetic, which makes everyone think you're a twelve-year-old who's too dumb to set up a proper EQ that's not killing their speakers!
At least DM can be safed with a proper mix! There's a bunch of actually good songs on it!
Despite what Todd said the lyrics in earlier albums were good, MOP has great lyrics, one has good lyrics, god, heroes, but this is just the type of shit a 12 year old would come up with and scrap after 5 minutes
Funnier than Fran tic tic tic tic tic tic toc?
next to "I AM THE TABLE"
It’s funny how their late career albums sound so much more immature than the albums they made as teenagers/twenty-something year olds
Mid-life Crisis Metal.
I still can't wrap my mind around the fact that Kill em all was made by bloody 19 year olds even with voice cracking raspyness and them still having acne on the liner photos.
@Jannik Horváth honestly i don't think 5FDP have changed at all. they're just the same as they always were, it's just... less excusable now, you know? like, the band members were in their 20s when Way of the Fist was released, and it was also 2007 which means that their sound was pretty fresh, relatively speaking.
it is now 2021, the various band members are in their 40s, and we're in the midst of a global upswing in fascism, if ever there was a time for macho posturing and "i am very badass" lyrics, it isn't now. and when that macho posturing and "i am very badass" lyrics are coming from a bunch of middle-aged men who never matured past 24? strewth.
I woke up this morning to the "Ride the Lightning" album on my clock radio.
As endlessly good as St. Anger is endlessly bad.
There were stories that the band had a no drinking before work/show rules that they threw out after The Black Album. This might be a lot of what caused that as they stopped partying after a show and tried to live their gimmick as crazy musicians
I illegally downloaded St. Anger on principal alone. Listened to it once and never again.
How can Lars be all up in arms about the radio promo “destroying their credibility” when he literally sided with the broken, fucked up music industry. Lars, you’ve already lost all credibility.
True true. They could have gone about it by not sitting in the music industry's lap. Napster was also was evil though, charging for other people's work and breaking the sharing community's rule of not profiting off of sharing. (Back in the day, before youtube, etc, existed and music from all over the world being readily available), 'sharing' was a way to find new non-played to death on the radio music. If you were old enough to have a job, you'd delete what you didn't like and buy, to support, what you did like. Napster set the stage to allow the music industry to kill this.
P.S. There was one Czech group X.E.T. that I think I ended up being 1 of like 7 people who bought their CD online
Lars Ulrick is a fucking whiny prick. I feel like if he and I had been kids at the same time, he'd have regularly beaten me up.
In all fairness, the one cogent point of Lars' Napster lawsuit was that it would make it harder for more up-an-coming musicians to earn a living off their music, concerns that are becoming more and more known thanks to the rise of streaming.
Shame he came off as an out-of-touch douchebag on almost every other point, and stunts like that VMAs skit really weren't gonna endear people to him.
He was absolutely right about the death of record royalties, though. At the time, I thought he was overreacting. Guess not!
@@cartersimonson93 In fairness that does suck, especially since you have to be big touring act to pay the bills long term these days. But that skit/everything else he said coming from him sounds like smarmy record executives trying to get people to accept 50% price increase. No, I don't have a lot of money to spare on entertainment so streaming is simply too good to beat right now. I can buy stuff from what I love and have little risk to find new stuff as I already have access to it. Wish we could find a better compromise between the models to keep good musicians in the industry instead MEME flashes in the pan from Tick Tock (And their >.33 of an average quality song) though.
Protractor!
Contractor!
Compactor! Green Tractor!
Smoke detector! I hardly know her!
Oh, and as someone whose favorite Metallica album is Ride the Lightning and who has Kill 'Em All on rotation, I call absolute bullshit on anyone saying this is a "return" to their older sound. Their older sound was Bay Area thrash, not whatever St. Anger was.
A true "return to sound" would've been if they rehired Dave Mustaine and used necromantic rituals to resurrect Cliff Burton.
Cliff wouldnt have ever let this shit happen. He had BASS solos, & this record doesnt even have GUITAR solos.
That shit would not have flown with Cliff. He woulda punched Bob Rock in his ugly dad face & smacked some sense into James. Probably would've just plugged in, hit volume at 11, & played Pulling Teeth mixed with Orion while staring all of them down. Then, when it was over, everyone would have said "Wow, that was an eye opener. Thanks for that, buddy." Cliff gives a 🤘 & the album is saved.
I read a review of this album that argued that we could not expect a going back to the Ride the lightning era and that we instead got faster tempos added to their more current nu metal "alternative metal" approach. I think Death Magnetic kind of started really to sound more like an actual (neo) thrash album since also the guitar solos came back. It was hard anyway to expect a proper thrash album from these millionaire ultra famous idiots when thrash metal is more of a working class angry genre produced by longhaired tough guys while picking fights in the street and moshpitting very agressively while denouncing exploitation and oppression by higher social powers or while flirting with occultism and which is even influenced by things like street punk and anarcho-punk. In the Load era they already moved away from thrash for that same reason and so they even started experimenting with stuff like southern rock which in general is less angry and protests less and can even fit some social conservatism. The idea of going "back to thrash" probably was not a good one from that point of view. Thrash has a social context which they just were not living anymore and so probably that is why we got this almost "emo" introspective album with fast nu metal. From that point of view they could only fit within the mainstream nu metal stuff which mostly had lyrics which complained about bad parents while being all instrospective and emotional but in the suburbs with safe roofs over their heads.
Speaking of Dave Mustaine, I don’t know if you read his biography, but he was pissed that Lars and James ambushed him to be a part of Some Kind of Monster.
Even as someone who's not even a "fan" of Metallica, it's obvious that the album is trying to chase the "nu-metal" sound of the time.
The thing is, classic(ish) Metallica is what I like to affectionately call "Car Mechanic Rock" - music that feels like it belongs with dust, noisy shop equipment, testosterone, body odor, hairy balls and hard work, but without the aggressiveness of bands like Pantera.
So when you have guys whose specialty is making manly-men rock and they write songs better fit for emo garage band teenagers half their age ... well, it's going to sound as good as some awful nu-metal band like Limp Bizkit or Slipknot trying to cover thrash-era Metallica.
Little known fact: Before Cliff died.....he was becoming *gasp* an alternative rock fan. He mentioned in an interview that he was listening to less metal and more to bands like R.E.M., and you have to wonder at how different their sound might have changed had he survived.
I find myself coming back to this video every now and then. This is some of your best work, Todd. In fact, Trainwreckords as a whole is really great. Thanks. And by the way, I bought St. Anger the day it came out. As a lifelong Metallica fan it just really confused me. Although I still really like the song Dirty Window despite the wall of shit production.
I’m reminded of an old David Spade joke. “When a band you’ve always loved says “Here’s a track from our latest album”, that code for “Now’s a good time to go to the bathroom””
“New song? BRB I’m gonna grab a beer.”
See this is only a rule if you’re into shitty and/or overrated bands.
@@ImpendingRiot83 Exactly, if they're still making stuff but fell into obscurity like most of my favs, the new shit is more unhinged and whatever the hell they wanted since nobody cares anymore. THAT'S the shit I'm here for.
@@ImpendingRiot83 all bands become shitty and overrated given enough time.
reification is a bitch
The day I bought St Anger, I put it in my car stereo. That night while I was at work, my car got broken into and my stereo and some CD's got stolen. I never bothered replacing the album. It is as bad as everyone says, just listening to the clips on this video made me cringe. Anyone who says this is a return to their Kill 'Em All type sound forgets something, Kill 'Em All was actually a good album. St. Anger really wasn't.
Yeah it's such a weird thing that people seem to believe that being really musically abrasive is a "return to form". Like sure they were less commercial in their early days, but the songs themselves were filled with hooks. Kill 'Em All is aggressive but it is absolutely not "hard to listen to".
Imagine they stole all your albums, except St. Anger.
Lol at people claiming St. Anger is a return to the Kill 'Em All sound. Nothing in St. Anger sounds as good as Seek and Destroy.
Somebody broke into your car just to save you from St.Anger :P?
The next day the same guy broke into your car again to put the St Anger album back in your car.
As a lifelong metalhead I completley agree with Todd's assessment about their "comeback". Yes, it was technically a comeback, but one with a big asterisk attached to it.
It revitalized their hardcore fanbase, but to the metal community at large it was seen as just a respectable but small step in the right direction that was too little too late. To the mainstream audiences it got some attention but nothing like what the band used to get.
Their current level of success and fame is based on what they've established over the decades, but it's unlikely they'll ever be able to build upon it again.
It didn't revitalize anyone.
I mean, they could never be Black Album big again.
But how about some love for Hardwired?
This was my first Todd In the Shadows episode and it's still my favorite.
My dad is a trucker and when I was a baby he’d go cross country and take me and mom with him. He’s always been a rock guy and he used to have this giant case of CDs he’d listen to while on the road. I found the album case with the cds still in it a little while ago. Basically unused. I think that says a lot given how addicted my dad was to rock at the time.
A lovely anecdote, but CDs don't exactly wear like records. What is a used CD that sits in a car supposed to look like? I mean, the guy took care of his stuff apparently.
@@seymourglass26 Possibly still wrapped in plastic?
@@seymourglass26 CD cases eventually gather wear and tear through use, the lyrics booklet wrinkles and gets earmarks. Many of my earliest CDs I bought as a kid in the mid-2000s are in broken cases.
@@bartholen Point taken. You're right. I guess I asked for the details in the story and you had them. It brought the story to life now that I'm really looking at the booklet with the little plastic flaps.
"I realize now that I never knew you before"
"FUUUUUUCK"
Makes me laugh every time.
Me too, I need it as a clip
-an actual metal star/ a teenager ranting about his friends, but he doesn't have good ammo/complaints against them. How were these guys superstars while they were THIS dysfunctional on the inside?
@@nomobobby good question: were they superstars, because they were so dysfunctional inside, or were they so dysfunctional inside, because they were superstars?
Ironically, the rhyme you mentioned from master of puppets as being dumb ends with the line "just a rhyme without a reason". Fitting.
Einstürzende Neubauten, a band that actually uses industrial equipment and plastic canisters for musical purposes, always has better "drum sounds" than the snare sound on this record.
Of course, Blixa Bargeld is a genius.
Let us now sing the song of our people
*DONK DONK DONK DONK DONK DONK DONK DONK*
DONK DONK DONK CLANG DONK DONK DONK CLANG CLANG
the funniest thing about james trying to push his voice to the limit is that he inadvertently reveals he has a Tom Kenny (voice actor of spongebob)-esque vocal fry
This album was peak “the glory days are gone and now we’re old and getting older” energy.
It’s like the first line of in utero, “teenage angst has paid off well. Now I’m old and bored.”
It's this line of thinking that makes St. Anger not that bad in perspective to me. Plus, as James put it, "I was about to lose my marriage and my band at the same time." It's that kind of album that they had to spit out the way they did because the alternative would be catastrophic for all parties involved.
*peak*
Every time Todd has put up a video since introducing Trainwreckords, there's always at least five comments asking for this. Super excited to learn what the big deal is.
Heyyyy, a million views! Congrats, Todd!