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@@lucastaylor3399 wait no, I'll defend will of the people (both song and album) for all eternity, in that it's not actually a protest song, it's a self-referential song making "fun" of their typical cliché songs about revolution and all that, it isn't meant to be a protest song.
I still can’t believe that they were like “what should we do when Chad sings Look At This Photograph” and they all agreed that Chad should hold up a photograph. While looking dead into the camera. It’s just. It’s so funny. I can’t
I remember seeing a pic of the recording of that part of the video with the caption along the lines of "a legendary moment being made" and I was like "wait, no it's not, he's holding the photograph with his other arm!"
That's old school. Back in the 80's some videos would depict exactly what the lyrics were saying. The best example is Erasure's "A Little Respect". They performed a little scene for each lyric. When Andy Bell sings "Oh baby please give a little respect to me", Vince Clarke gives him a little sign that says "Respect" on it. And there is part where he sings the word "Soul" and they show a poster for the 1988 Seoul Olympics. It's great.
"why didn't you fucking say something man?" The idea that chat kroeger has been too shy to bring up that everyone in the world has been pronouncing his name wrong for 20 years is so fucking hillarious
I can't hate Chad Kroeger for one reason. Derek Whibley of Sum 41, shortly after divorcing Avril Lavigne, went to a Halloween party with his new girlfriend. They went as Chad and Avril and tweeted a pic. Chad tweeted back, "Avril and I would have dressed as you two, but the party had a celebrity theme."
YUP! Now that this "new country " has gone mainstream infact country acts are now winning awards that were supposed to won by rock bands like the recent shut out of Foo Fighters and Metallica by Zack Bryan? It's ridiculous!
i was wondering where's the rock part of all those bro-country comes from and no wonder FGL sounds like a walmart hillbilly nickelback with a banjo.......
Fun fact: the welcome sign at the entrance to Hanna, Alberta (the town that the band formed in) has a sign that says “Proud to be the home of Nickelback”.
them being from alberta makes so much sense lmao now i also wanna take a trip over to hanna to see the beautiful sights of jack diddly shit, and fuck-all just to say that i did, and take some pics w/the sign. its only like a 2 1/2 hour drive lololol
@@donutsuegoassuming you're coming from Calgary, you can at least see some cool dinosaurs on the way there/back in Drumheller! Gotta advertise my own home town, which is also otherwise totally unremarkable besides its One Thing
I'll always be thankful for Nickleback. Not because of their music, but because the "Look at this graph" video is still the funniest thing on the internet.
Rush starts Tom Sawyer with the bit from South Park, and Cheap Trick opened their show with a gag about them from the Simpsons. It's nice to see a band be able to laugh at themselves a little.
Todd In The Shadows isn’t just a critic, he’s a music historian who reminds everyone when the current narrative tries to fudge the facts, clearing up misconceptions about even hated acts nobody respects.
I guess the critics corner is "did they deserve better?" On 1HWL videos You can only really unpack these critically without being in the timeframe it.was released. His Pop Song Reviews are maybe what you are honing in on.
A quote from an article about Nickelback. "Chad Kroeger wakes up every day to hear on the radio how his band is the worst one in the world. Then he plays a sold out show meeting fans who are ecstatic to meet him, parties that night with fans, and goes back to the hotel, sleeps, and wakes up to hear on the radio how his hand is the worst one in the world."
The fact that the lost Nickleback CRJ collab is called “I admit there was music” makes it sound like they were trying to hide it even while it was being recorded.
Shouts to Todd for having an actual conversation about Nickelback, whether you love or hate them, bc I feel like every mention of them now just circles back to “Look at this - graph!”
People talk shit about nickelback forget that Train exists. No matter what nickelback ever writes, it will never be as bad as ‘I’m so gangster, in so thug’
@@thisisfyneThank you! Daughtry was THE definition of dull, watered down post-grunge. I can give Chris Daughtry credit for having a better singing voice than Chad Krueger, but as for the music as a whole, they made Nickelback seem interesting.
Ridiculously enough, a Nickelback song saved my life. I was in college, deeply depressed, suicidal, and in a bad relationship, and that semester "Savin' Me" became not just my anthem but, dumb as it may sound, my prayer. Some nights listening to it on loop was the only thing keeping me going. By the end of the semester, the relationship ended, I moved to another state, and my mental health began to improve, and because of all of that I will always love Nickelback at least a little bit.
Neither Savin’ me nor Lullaby may not have saved me, but it most certainly made dark days a little. I love half their songs and don’t much like the rest.
I'm a longtime Nickelback hater, but boy do I understand something cheesy being a lifeline when you're in a bad place. Glad you found something to get you through.
Listen, I'm Canadian. Specifically, I'm a Canadian millenial. This means that my formative years were *surrounded* by Nickelback songs. They were constantly played on the radio, on MuchMusic (even if most of those plays were someone taking jabs at them), and in general they were just virtually inescapable. I have never heard a single goddamn song from this album in my entire life.
Being from Finland, where rock radio is still very much a thing, I know half of the songs and "What are you waiting for" was a big radio hit here back then.
@@erindoyle1452 honestly I could see that being the case; I live in Ontario so I haven't heard it play over here. That being said, please keep it over there lmfao
I find that 90% of the hate towards Nickelback is due to the comedian that didn’t like them. They have definitely hade some stinkers, but over all the band has had more consistency than most bands similar to their style or bands that are better than them
Not entirely true. Post-grunge in general got a lot of backlash, but among those bands Nickelback is kinda the only one that survived. For instance, at the height of the Nickelback Sucks phenomenon, people had a list of similar bands that also sucked, with the most common one being Default (Wasting My Time), but, who remembers Default now?
The hate for Nickelback was moreso directed towards post-grunge as a whole. Which, frankly, looking back on it is probably the hair metal of its day - the remnants of what used to be an interesting and original genre that became easy selling, middle-of-the-road "rock" music that was played everywhere and was boring and monotonous and (at the time) really only liked by moms and dudebros, and ALWAYS hated by snobs. There wasn't a "Smells Like Teen Spirit" for post-grunge, but its death can be pretty easily marked by the time that 10's-style indie rock became the standard. Maybe one could argue that Kings of Leon's "Use Somebody" was the killer of post-grunge? Or just in general the string of fluke indie rock hits throughout the late 00's that culminated in 2012 with fun. and Gotye becoming the bannerholders of rock and killing 90's style alternative outright. The backlash for disco isn't really as comparible since it was a completely unique genre taking hold basically overnight and was killed overnight a few years later.
If you asked me 20 years ago I would've said "You Remind Me is kinda cool for a song that came out of nowhere and their track for the Spider-Man movie was good," but that would be it. My big gripe with Nickelback was that they were so one-dimensional as a band that anytime they released a single you already knew what it would sound like and what the song would be about. The fact that Chad had a singing voice that only got more grating the more you heard it was just extra.
Wow. So I’ve been jokingly referring to modern bro country as “Nickelback with Cowboy Hats” for a while now. I had no idea that Nickelback’s producer was actually producing it and giving it that sound.
It’s not surprising to me. They are from an area where country is super popular. Nickelback could have actually made country and felt legit because they are farm boys lol
Holy shit, the reveal that nickelback’s producer went on to work in Nashville explains SO MUCH. Jesus Christ Todd saying that felt like a curtain lifting
Listening to Nickelback songs you can so clearly hear the bro-country in it. Just without the twang or lyrics that are specifically about rural tropes.
I don't think she wrote that line though. It had to be whoever was the writer for that show. Maybe they were thinking of another band for a second, but forgot who it was, so they just said the name of a band who had a reputation for being disliked.
lol what? we are talking about how their music is bad. i dont remember this conversation about "evil" like we are addressing the theodicy of Nickelback.
Honestly, there's even worse butt-rock/divorced dad rock out there than Nickelback. I'll take Nickelback at their worst over Trapt at their best, any day of the year.
The reason “Paralyzer” works where “She Keeps Me Up” fails is because dance music (not EDM) requires rhythmic finesse and slight looseness and all Nickelback knows how to do is pound mercilessly. You can’t be funky with a heavy foot.
Paralyzer is an unironic great song. Also it was popular when I was in HS and actually had a GF (she was actually the one who told me that song was by Finger Eleven) so I just have fond memories of everything from that time I guess.
Over lockdown I wrote a musical called “Dickelback”. Illicit substances were involved, but it consumed me for months. I dove so deep into their back catalogue of hits that I started to realise that to my shame, I actually quite like some of their songs. Anyway the musical features Chad Kroeger getting superpowers with the help of Avril Lavigne after being blinded by a Canadian Tundra Gang. It’s a fever dream.
@@garyhanniffy982 one day friend, once it’s truly finished. I genuinely wrote over a 100 pages 😂, but never finished it. The plot outline is set in stone though, so don’t fear, I’ll finish it.
My introduction to Nickelback was having downloaded System of a Down's Chop Suey off of Kazaa back in summer of 2001, and the version I got was a radio rip that literally had the ending chords of "How You Remind Me" at the beginning, followed by some DJ banter going "Okay,THIS song also dropped today, the new System of a Down song, let's go!" and then the song plays, and when it's over the DJs were like "WOW! Okay! That blew Nickelback out of the water, jeez!"
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I’ve heard a lot of singers whose speaking voices are very different than their singing voices, but Kroeger’s is on a different level.
Blackie Lawless from W.A.S.P. is the same way. He sings like a banshee with a slimy growl, but when you hear interviews with him he has a deep voice and is pretty soft spoken (See: "The Story of Jonathan")
You’ve gotta respect Todd’s commitment to the music history aspects of Trainwreckords. Even when covering a band he unambiguously HATES, he never fails to give a balanced, even recollection of the facts!
I once had a dream where Nickelback released a song titled "What Are We Doing Being Bananas?" After hearing the chorus of "She Keeps Me Up", the thought of that track is no longer unfeasible to me.
An anecdote from a Nickelback fangirl. I was introduced to the band via Chad's song for Spider-Man. I grew up listening to all their albums and in my early days on social media, I met other girls that liked the band. We knew we weren't listening to The Beatles, but we had fun. Words cannot describe the massive fandom meltdown that happened when this album dropped. Every Nickelback fan from the die hard to the casual all flipped on a dime. If those of y'all who don't like the band hated this album, imagine how fans felt. Shit was brutal.
It was fans like you who made me realize I was being an ass just relentlessly making fun of these fans for no reason. Thanks for just being yourself. I know people can be jerks. There's teasing, and then there's relentless teasing.
@@rahulmenon4357 Lulu is a title for a Primus album, not a Metallica/Lou Reed collaboration. I would have told them "Everyone's going to think Bugs Bunny, dudes!"
One thing I do respect about Nickelback is that How You Remind Me was specifically written in about 10 minutes to be a hit. Chad just sat down and tried to figure out the musical and lyrical ideas necessary for something to top the charts. And succeeded. I think that's why professionals in the music industry seem to respect them a lot; just because they evidently know what they're doing.
@@gnomefrompinkerton There's probably an element of survivor bias there. I'm open to the possibility of there being good Nickelback album-only tracks (I like some butt rock now and then), but hits are hits, and get overplayed like hits. I'll defend How You Remind Me and Hero from the Spider Man soundtrack though. Even Rockstar, with the caveat of it being dumb bullshit (sometimes dumb bullshit is fun)
Okay, I have to say this because I haven't seen it in the comments. "She Keeps Me Up" isn't about a woman, it's about cocaine. That's the "funky little monkey", as in a "monkey on your back". Nearly every lyric in the song is a direct reference to cocaine. Which is also why it's written as a glam song. Also, it's going to live rent free in my head for a few weeks. Thanks, Todd.
@@LordHattie Fair. Still wrong (it's not an and/or situation; the song is anthropomorphizing cocaine in a way that a cis-hetero male can identify as an object of lust, but it is absolutely not about a woman at any point), but fair. I will cop to not actually watching Todd's content. I find it makes better background listening for tasks.
My girlfriend in college was a big Nickelback fan. She showed me a lot of their deeper cuts, stuff you don't hear on the radio, and I got why some people are still ride or die for them. While they've never been my band, I've never hated them.
@@Baseballnfj Unironically Rockstar but as a sea shanty. Honestly, a lot of The Dark Road. Do This Anymore's a good one. Their first two albums, Curb and The State are kinda interesting to listen to because they're a lot more 90s than 2000s. Like Little Friend from Curb doesn't really sound like a Nickelback song and it's really dark.
I think Todd is right. People didn't get tired and hate Nickelback because they were talentless, we hated them because they were John Cena. Always on the radio and shoved down your throat. The people who like rock I'd wager are mostly working-class so they had the radio on all day. If you had to listen to five Chad Kroeger songs every-single-day... the same ones at that... you'd lose your mind too. I know this because I was there! I saw it, Gandalf. People hated John Cena because we were told to like him, he beat up all the guys we liked, and was the kid version of wrestling. Well... Nickelback was the same thing. I think the reason why people are defending Nickelback now is "it's cool to like stuff people hated back then!" We've seen it with disco. We've seen it the Prequels. Now that the thing you hated isn't drilled into your brain anymore it doesn't seem so bad. Also, there's nostalgia and the "music sucks now" mentality. In every era people thought modern music sucked and it was better "back then". So maybe people like Nickelback now because they are better than Shinedown.
Granted, the entire anti-disco sentiment was a symptom of the sudden, sharp anti-queer turn in media brought on by Reagan. Disco stuck around in the background as the roots that grew into EDM and, to an extent, hip hop in the 90s and early 00s.
@@bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819 Agreed. I loathe what they've become, but I'll still put on Way Of The Fist and War Is the Answer if I wanna feel real dumb and confident. "Hard to See" is such a banger even so many years on!
For the past few years I have been making a playlist called "Trainwreckord Survivors" in which I compile all the songs Todd says are the best (or close to it) on each Trainwreckord he covers. When he doesn't outright single out a track, I just go with my gut and pick what I feel fits. Oh god folks, I cannot tell you the immense pleasure I got from putting the so bad it's good "She Keeps Me Up" on that playlist. It was a toss up between that, A Million Miles Away, and the Flo Rida collab, but I had to put Nickelback's sad attempt to be Bruno Mars on it. Thank you for showing me that garbage, Todd. Edit: if you want to hear the playlist for yourself, here it is: ruclips.net/p/PLkw0DHFWNkDGFIshK2IVPHkfK2Q8Fi-sa&si=F9vJ8imCXOMgRLIt
Jesus Christ I can hear Bruno singing every lyric in my head and the song gets so much better as a Proto-Blow (which I like, fuck y'all, Chris Stapleton did no wrong)
Nickelback was a victim more of timing than anything else. Their first big hit album was Silver Side Up, which released in 2001. The same year that there was a massive explosion in home internet access rates across America. Between the the release of Silver Side Up and their follow up The Long Road, internet penetration went from around 39% to 67%. Nickelback just happened to be the band that was popular to hate at the exact same time the vast majority of Americans, the largest audience for them, also got access to the loudest opinion amplifier and circlejerk generator in history.
Yeah, I could imagine The Monkees or Beach Boys or Oasis even being the butt of the joke if internet came out earlier, just because they were everywhere in that decade.
It also doesn’t help that post-grunge in general was not very well liked by anyone other than its core demographic (and was especially hated by the “reputable” tastemakers of the time, often for class reasons), yet most of the popular post-grunge bands of the 2000s (like Fuel, Staind, Seether, Crossfade, Daughtry, Three Days Grace, Breaking Benjamin, etc) would only have one or two major crossover hits, and then retreat back into the radio rock ecosystem where pop audiences could ignore them. Not so with Nickelback, who had at least 8 or so major crossover hits…
Dang it, Todd. As if I didn't yearn for things enough, now you've added "Nikelback x Carly Rae Jepsen song" to my list of things I desire but will never have. Thanks a lot
The connection between Flo-Rida and Nickelback is actually really clear. The WWE. They both had HIGHLY publicized and promoted work with pro wrestling. Nickleback did the (in my opinion) best theme for Monday Night Raw, and Flo-Rida did the theme song for at least two WrestleManias. And some other shit. Their Bacon number was absolutely one for a long time before this.
TOTALLY disagree with it being the best Raw theme (Across the Nation and Thorn In Your Eye imo hits different) but that connection does make sense in the realm of 2010s WWE
@@ameenaceesay1376 you are entitled to your opinion. For my part, I intend to hold onto mine until the world stops turning and we burn it to the ground tonight.
I honestly kind of LOVE the "funky little monkey" song. It is definitely a bad song, but man something about the way he sings "twisted SISTAH" is absurdly catchy to me. I could actually see myself jamming out to it, like it is just the kind of hilarious cheeseball nonsense that I find extremely fun. Definition of a guilty pleasure.
Can confirm, just looped it and it IS the fun kinda of bad. Its so close to "Can't feel my Face" but then hts the chorus "on this coca-cola rollercoaster" and it goes back to silly with it. I can't tell if he needed to lean in harder the lover side to make it subtitle or just go full parody. I know its late but makes me wish they wrote the whole ablum as deliberate parody of Rockstardom. I say it because that sounds like the soundtrack to the "good" verison of The Idol debuckle. The one that properly makes fun of the cult of fame, revolutionairy ethos that sold out for Hollywood fame, riches and self destruction at the top of the mountain with the press going wild. IDK Y but it sounds like the writing prompt for the great old Rock opera that closes the whole genre in a god way. Or maybe it's just caught my attention ona dull weekend when I'm procrastating cleaning my room....
I didn't recognise him at first. I thought the punchline was just that Nickelback had a guest rapper. That was funny enough. Then Todd pointed out that it was Flo Rida and I laughed myself into a coughing fit. It's just... perfect.
Really excited for an analysis of Nickelback with a full music breakdown, not weighed down by easy jokes. This is such an amazing series for "Heres 30 min on *why* this sucks"
I lost my VIRGINITY to one of their songs, it was extremely painful and traumatic. And here y'all are making fun of them? they were a big part of my life. STOP IT NOW.
@@againstthepods4316dude this is on like every comment, countless people probably have, why are you even here if it reminds you of something like that?
@@againstthepods4316 That kind of trauma is truly terrible and it messes someone up for life. I genuinely feel empathy for you, I do. I'd suggest that you take time away from this kind of trigger though, or at least talk about it with a mental health professional
She Keeps Me Up has been a staple on rock radio stations in Canada since it's release. I'll be perfectly honest, I had no idea it was a nickelback song since it sounds nothing like their normal stuff. I've only ever heard it casually on the radio half listening but I've definitely heard it quite a few times over the last decade. Context note: In Canada a certain % of songs played on the radio are required to be Canadian artists so you very often get non-hits like She Keeps Me Up that get played for years because the stations are just filling their Canadian artist song quota. Nickelback is one of the biggest Canadian bands of the 21st century so they have forever lived as a go to quota filler for rock stations these last two decades.
I like the attempts at cultural cohesion and nationalism, but I don't know if the heavy-handedness in the media formats is that effective in generating one.
@@TheZenomeProjectIt works. Ever wonder why there seem to be so many big bands that end up being from Canada despite us having a population about 1/10th that of the US? It's because they get air play up here because of this law, get famous locally and the big labels down south gobble them up.
@@iwakeupandboomimaratThe 40% thing for TV only applies for channels based out of Canada like CTV, Citytv and APTN. Since most of are TV channels originate elsewhere, it doesn't apply to them. Hard to argue with the results of radio laws though. Ever notice how many big bands come from here? Giving Canadian artists radio play they would never get otherwise gets people noticed.
Must be extremely gratifying finding a terrible interview segment to go with a trainwreckord. 'Life in Prison as Ladies Man' 'Get a little Funk-AY' More please 🎉
Oh god I hope not. Even as a kid in the 2010s I disliked most of the new music coming out at the time. Just near total slump decade until like maybe 2018-19.
It's not easy to admit this but: Chad's voice can get pretty gnarly and he's flirted with darker lyrics, they have a song with sick blast beat, they have a genuinely great cover of Sad But True and Chad is practically cosplaying as James Hetfield in half of these clips. They *could* be a hell of an arena thrash band, maybe they should try playing metal?
@@mgeeinc.4270 A lot of that is metal in the same way a band like 5FDP or post-2010 Godsmack is metal. Mediocre boom-crack "big is heavy" post-post-grunge. All of it feels so empty. Figured You Out absolutely slams, as do Woke Up This Morning, Fight for All the Wrong Reasons, and Next Contestant (and I will give you Side of a Bullet and Follow You Home though they do fit the mold I described above, which is a shame considering how good the drum intro for Follow You Home is, and Side of a Bullet has that one interesting kick drum measure in each verse that shows the song's potential), but most of their good heavy stuff straddles the line between metal and hard riff rock - Leader of Men, Never Again, Too Bad, Where Do I Hide, Just For, Throw Yourself Away, Animals (another song with a pretty sick drum intro that just falls into mediocrity), etc.
Weirdly enough, I met Chad Kroeger earlier this year before I quit my job. I worked at a pretty high end restaurant that Nickelback apparently visited so often the servers were friends with them, and would party at their mansions sometimes. I was cleaning out the bathroom, and the man stops me in the middle of doing that to read my nametag and ask about me. I have a Persian name, so he asked me how to pronounce it, and we talked a bit, and sort of made fun about how his name was Chad, and how the meme of that name had humbled him. The whole time, I pretended I had no idea who he was, and I think that made him respect me? Anyway, he's honestly a pretty chill dude when he's on his own. Genuinely nice and friendly. But as soon as I saw him around other people, I immediately recognized the frat bro who wrote "Something in Your Mouth". He even tried to arm wrestle our bartender. The guy really seems like he needs some friends who will cultivate the less obnoxious version of him that I met, and fame sure as hell didn't help with that. Also, in terms of politics, I have observed that they are Canadian conservatives, meaning they're pretty close to American democrats.
Nickelback had multiple hits off of their major label debut, Silver Side Up in 2001, for fuck's sake. How You Remind Me, Too Bad, and Never Again all hit #1 on the Billboard rock charts. Shit, even two songs off of The State (Leader of Men and Breathe) made the Billboard rock Top 10, back in 2000. Even if we're especially cruel and require a song to hit #1 on one of Billboard's overall charts (Mainstream Top 40, Adult Top 40, Hot 100, etc), they had two of those by 2003's The Long Road with How You Remind Me and Someday.
@@w1lDstYLe He's responding to a lazy shitty joke from Only Murders in the Building that Todd called attention to where Tina Fey calls Nickelback a one-hit wonder
I'm not sure if they were thinking. I've also seen someone say that the line is meant to show how out of touch her character is but it doesn't make sense out of context, since Nickelback is most definitely not a one hit wonder.
I think Nickelback gets scapegoated for the decline of rock because the last really big successful trend in rock was post grunge. And the more boring and overplayed that trend got, the more Nickelback were shoved down our faces. After grunge got polished into post grunge, plenty of other movements happened, but nothing stuck. Pop punk would come in and out, taking a slice of the pie but never the whole pie. Nu Metal got huge, and then crashed more quickly than hair metal. Garage rock got a lot of hype seemingly out of nowhere but never sold like any of the other styles I mentioned. Other acts like Evanescence, Buckcherry and Haelstorm blew up, but none of them lead to a full on mainstream movement. And rock fans who didn’t like post grunge were left with more and more disappointment as their favorite styles started falling off the radar. Yet Chad Kroeger kept … Kroegering away …
There's one more issue here. Pop punk was HAAATEEED by punk fans. Post grunge was HATEEEED by grunge fans. Nu metal was HAATED by everyone but especially metal fans. Not because rock fans just hate change; punks loved when hard-core punk began even tho it was radically different from original punk. Rock didn't die as much as it was suddenly wiped out by fragmentation mostly caused by commercialization (better believe corpos prefer to push Blink182 and their teenage drama music than The Exploited, or Nickleback over Alice in Chains; Linkin Park singing about being a bullied teenager over Slayer yelling about Satan (back when these things got you cancelled in real life with republican moms burning your CDs and blaming you for school shootings). Shit, even Limp Bizkit was waaaaay more marketable to kids and teens despite being obscene. Nickleback didn't kill rock, industry did. Also this is why rap took over and refuses to get toppled. Everytime it gets too commercial, some dudes bring it right back to its street core. Vanilla Ice got on top for 2 minutes and then gangsta rap happen. Nowadays we had sellouts like LMFAO and general pop rap, and then UK drill picked up in US and rap went from white girl party music to stabbing people with kitchen knifes, making rap rap again.
@@aw2584 Growing up metal, I pretty much hated ALL those styles. But yeah, I remember the controversy of Green Day and the Offspring being creating a so-called Punk Revival (while Rancid and NOFX sold a tiny fraction of what they did) and the unbridled hate that extreme metal fans felt for nu metal (after all, that’s when Internet message boards really became a thing). And I still marvel at how acts like Nickelback, Creed and Bush can be called Post Grunge when actual Grunge is supposed to be Mudhoney and The Melvins (I blame that on Mother Love Bone and Pearl Jam getting called Grunge when they really just went down well with fans of Grunge, but that is just fodder for another one of my long-ass posts). There’s a video from a Frank Zappa interview when he says that rock went downhill once the A&R men started signing bands (I don’t have a link, but it’s not hard to find). So instead of older, cigar-chomping guys in Italian suits signing what they thought the kids might be into, you now had younger people with their “finger on the pulse” in control of who gets signed. And that actually messed things up, because the out-of-touch old guys were never boring and weren’t afraid to take a chance, while the younger guys keep everything safe, consistent and … more and more boring. And I don’t wanna bash Nickelback fans, but Nickelback’s stardom is the direct result of that. Post Grunge was everything about Grunge that the labels though would work. So by the mid 90s, “Alternative Rock” went from being this raw, innovative and even dangerous sound to being “Morose music with a guy who croons like Eddie Vedder played in a half-ballad-half-almost-rocker-without-a-recognizable-riff” format. And then that went on for 30 years, briefly interrupted by a bunch of other trends that came and went while leaving some of us just as bored. Who is this “us?” People getting bored with mainstream rock, and we’re just growing in numbers. And Nickelback are the face of what is boring. That’s not even to say that they suck or that people are wrong for listening to them. But they’re the last (?) echo of a sound that was already getting played out before their debut album was recorded. For the sake of making my list even longer -If you’re not into Post Grunge, than Nickelback are to Post Grunge what Junkyard was to 80’s metal/blues rock. So this is almost like some alternate reality where Junkyard got huge and stayed huge, thrilling the people who like that sound and torturing the rest of the planet. Not that I expect anyone to remember Junkyard…
I watched post-hardcore, metalcore, melodic hardcore, and the reinvention of pop-punk all flicker and die out while Nickelback just kept going. Every bit of success Nickelback has just makes me think of a million better bands. Like Thursday. Or Reuben. Or Real Friends. Or Defeater. Even on rock stations and in rock magazines, they took up space that could've gone to so much better shit that was actually defining underground movements.
@ yup! And that’s where the frustration comes in. They stayed huge while all these other totally exciting acts barely made ripples (if even) in the mainstream. They kind of became the face of everything that was boring to a lot of rock fans .. even though it speaks more about the nature of the industry and popularity than it does to any one band.
The idea that music that fuels protests aren’t always “protest focused” is so true. Because sometimes those songs come off as disingenuous. The first thing that comes to mind is when Trump lost the 2020 election, and people were singing WAP in front of the White House. Why? I don’t know 😂 but I guess they felt it in their spirit.
I lost my VIRGINITY to one of their songs, it was extremely painful and traumatic. And here y'all are making fun of them? they were a big part of my life. STOP IT NOW.
the moment you revealed that nickelback's old producer was behind florida georgia line and other bro country felt like the twist in a bad movie where the villain turned out to be a puppet of an old villain from earlier in the franchise "somehow, joey returned..."
I've always found it curious how much Nickelback has been able to brush off the hatred they have gotten throughout the years and never really let that hatred affect it the way it probably should
They probably didn't care, they still got their money. They were probably just confused by it. "Cool, you do you, you ain't buying my album anyway, why would I care about your feelings?"
I’m from Canada and there still pretty popular here , they supposedly put on a really good live show which I wouldn’t doubt in an era with backing tracks and dj’s
Not letting shit that would bother others affect you is actually a pretty damn commendable trait lol Although, it's likely maybe some of it got to 'em at times if, at all, even just slightly.
I absolutely respect when artist have enough self confidence to ignore the haters, even when I am one of the haters. You do you, and don't let anyone stop you.
@@philly_sports1558 Those guys are nothing, what about the person whose life is like a simulation of some kind, like a video game? You could even say he's trying very much to beat the stage.
A significant reason for rocks downfall that you didn't mention is that pop and hip hop just got significantly easier to make, so kids in their bed rooms started making them instead. During 2005-2010, nickelbacks peak, to record a decent sounding rock record you either needed guitars, amps, mics, drums, bass, and several friends or you needed to be okay with a very very DIY sound. Meanwhile a kid could drop a couple hundred bucks on a FL studio license, a cheap mixer, and a mic and put out a hip hop track that sounded pretty good. Relatedly, these days people are back to playing with a lot more rock style music and elements, becuase those things have caught up. Plugins can simulate basically anything you would need outside of the physical guitar and vocals, and if those things still fall short websites like fiver give you access to cheap, easy to use, session quality musicians if needed. Rock culture is still fighting to catchup though, as you will occasionally get some older artist talking about how the music just isn't "real" any more.
this is a big factor behind why rock music is on the comeback over the last 5 years yet bands are still dying, a lot of artists that make rock music these days are solo acts and they might adopt more nebulous genre labels. It's some kid with a mullet in his basement that occasionally makes soundcloud rap instead of a band of like five guys or girls
6:10 this has been largely passed over by the steady march of History, but CRJ was carving out a niche as a local/indie artist for years before _Call Me Maybe_ shot her into space. She signed to Chad Kroeger's label after finishing in 3rd place on _Canadian Idol_ alongside acts like Theory of a Deadman. ToaD famously had most of their "big" songs written by Chad, so it's no surprise he was doing it for other artists on the label back in those days.
Being an Albertan, I saw Nickleback play in the capital city of our province, Edmonton. They played an awesome show, had a bouncer pull around a little red wagon with a beer keg on it and gave drinks out to the crowd.
I lost my VIRGINITY to one of their songs, it was extremely painful and traumatic. And here y'all are making fun of them? they were a big part of my life. STOP IT NOW.
I literally had to pause this video when you mentioned Paralyzer to go listen to it for the bazillionth time. Man I fucking love that song. Timeless bro.
EDIT: I swore Chad and Devin had done more stuff but I guess it was just the Empath album. Point is, its a crossover pretty much nobody expected. I personally can't hate Nickelback for the reasons of Chad working with Canada's bonkers wizard of prog metal Devin Townsend on a few of his albums. The man could easily write fantastic tech-heavy progressive death metal, but that doesn't pay his presumably massive bills so pop-rock it is. I honestly kinda respect the honest hustle of "I do this for money, not art - but I'll help you if you wanna make weird as shit art anyways". Also I unironically love Rockstar, that song's hilarious and a guaranteed drunk singalong at ANY Canadian party. Don't @ me, just because I can cook gourmet meals don’t mean I don’t occasionally crave fast food, too.
You know, I was pretty sure I had heard something to the effect of Chad, wanting to work with Devin, or the other way around, or they were collaborating on some thing that fell through. Thank you for the confirmation that they have indeed worked with each other, at least on a production level.
@@Mugroar Yeah, he was part of making the “Empath” album (maybe on some other stuff too?) - Chad can be faintly heard on the song “Hear Me”. ruclips.net/video/9gSQVhzK0kI/видео.htmlsi=gUX4EjGZZvwcvchC
the worst part of being a Nebula subscriber is the joy from getting a notification of a new Todd in the Shadows video is quickly drenched when you realize you watched it already
That is a glitch in the early access benefit. Especially when it's evergreen content. I get it's more or less just another way to support creators you like but it's like who needs early access to a Nickelback skewering? I see that in other creator's Patreons like this one guy who does videos about little quirks and foibles that happened in NFL games from the 70's, 80's, and 90's and you can pay to get early access to videos.
I’m convinced that iHeartRadio is the raid shadow legends of streaming apps. Nobody likes them and I don’t know anybody who genuinely uses it, but they’ve got so much of an advertising push behind them that you’d think they’re the most important thing to happen to radio since War Of The Worlds.
6:16 the tall guy next to Chad who Todd tagged as a probable member of Loverboy is actually the lead singer of Marianas Trench, Josh Ramsay. This is the guy who produced and co-wrote Call Me Maybe with Carly, and co-wrote She Keeps Me Up, which wasn't neccesarily supposed to be about a woman, but a metaphor for a drug addiction. They're all under the record label Chad co-founded in Canada, so it's no surprise to me that there would be many collabs among them.
Other examples over the years: - Josh featuring on a version of an early CRJ song called Sour Candy - Josh producing the song Guitar String/Wedding Ring for CRJ's Kiss - Chad featuring on Josh's solo record track Lady Mine
"Nickelback is no fun" That, right there, sums up my feelings about why rock radio entered into such precipitous decline. I listened to a lot of rock radio in the 2000s, and almost none of it was fun. Chevelle - Soil - Nonpoint - Dark New Day - Breaking Benjamin - Crossfade - just an endless cavalcade of dour, stonefaced songs that had as much emotion as a paper bag. It felt like a miracle when I discovered European metal in around 2004 or so, because it seemed like all the bands I discovered actually remembered that music should make you feel something when listening. Nickelback may not have killed rock, but by god are they a perfect embodiment of the spirit of its murderer.
I mean, there is a time where someone wants to listen to a sadder or emotional song. That’s why Chevelle and Breaking Benjamin still have a large fan base. But to play it constantly on the radio? Yeah, that can get a lot of people annoyed fast
Yeah at a point you realize listening to staind makes you hate life. I was saved by the strokes, music I didn't even know I was looking for. Took it back down to the basics. Imo
I feel like Nickelback were sorta caught in the middle because they weren't fun but they weren't like, ANGRY either, at least not in a way they leaned into.
Their three songs consisting of "How You Remind Me", "Someday" and "Faraway" was everywhere in Canada. I even have some of the lyrics memorized and haven't heard them in years. That's how ingrained Nickelback is, over here. I think they were bound to fail, eventually due to their lack of....versatility. They are basically the Canadian version of Maroon 5. Soulless. 🤣
Todd, I hope you know what you’ve done. I hadn’t even heard of She Keeps Me Up prior to this video and I genuinely haven’t been able to get it out of my head since watching. It’s a genuine earworm and I’ve already streamed it more times that I care to admit. Please send help.
I sent my parents who grew up in the 70s your Trainwrecks of The Carpenters "Passage" and the utter disbelief that that they felt from that video is the one I'm feeling from this one-holy fuck
Trainwreckords has been a great compliment to your output, Todd, it balances really well with the reviews and One Hit Wonderland and I think they all lift each other and show different aspects of your work. Good one.
The Maroon 5 mention while talking about “She Keeps Me Up” really connects with me because it sounds to my ears like the result of Chad Kroeger making a karmic-backfiring pact for continued relevance with a minor demon who took the shape of Adam Levine.
A weird thing about Nickelback is that some of their songs go incredibly hard. "Million miles an hour" is clearest example for that, but even earlier in their career there were similar songs. They clearly enjoy making these, and since they were incredibly successful in the past, they could just live on making their passion projects.
In fairness, screw that crowd. Death Grips had stuff like this happen recently and also quit the show. It's not on the act for ruining it for the paying customers, it's on the idiot/s assaulting them with garbage.
@@Joe90h I don't have a problem with crowds booing performers on stage if they don't like what they hear or the person but throwing things at people like rocks and water bottles is barberic behavior that shouldn't be done or encouraged.
I agree, I've had that same conversation with my friend that I jam with a lot (we play in the same band and he's also our drummer) and he always brings up a good point in that if you go to a show specifically to just heckle an artist and not for the music then why are you just wasting time (not just yours but everyone else's who probably _want_ to be there) and money. It's still undoubtedly a hilarious moment and I still love that clip but there's always that one idiot that'll ruin the experience for others just because they don't like that specific artist
6:16 The Loverboy next to Chad is actually Josh Ramsay, lead singer of the excellent band Marianas Trench. He has songwriting credits on this album’s “She Keeps Me Up” and Carly Rae’s “Call Me Maybe”
I keep thinking that Todd would probably like Marianas Trench a lot. Except they’ve never really had chart success in the US, so I don’t know if Todd’s ever listened to them on his own, but he hasn’t had to for the channel.
@@ClearAsCrystal823 Todd would know them if he spent any time in a bowling alley from 2008-2011, lmao. I worked at a Brunswick Zone during that time and I swear I heard five Marianas Trench songs three times a day, every day, for years on end. And just like you said, they completely evaporated once I left the building. I have no idea why that phenomenon happened, but every American I asked who wasn't a bowler had never heard of them.
The entire Ever After album from 2011 is one of my favourite projects of all time. It's creative, well-produced, smart, and full of bangers@@judgesaturn507
i grew up on so much "divorced dad rock" that nickelback will always have a special place in my heart. i know its all mostly bad music, but i love all of it from "Curb" to "Lets get rollin"
I hear ya. And I mean, devil's advocate here but those first 3 albums prior to Silver Side up are all solid, if occasionally boilerplate post-grunge. 'Leader Of Men' is still a jam.
@Electrolux219 my exposure to Nickleback was during my car rides to and from my fathers house every other weekend then eventually just the one weekend a month, so I hear you
There should be a compilation of interview clips from the "trainwreckords" series *Chad Kroeger* : (as he blankly stares into the abyss) "Getting kinda funkeeeee....." *Mike Love* : (sounding obnoxiously smug) "Life in prison as ladies man!" *Katy Perry* : (in a tone that makes her sound bitter and resentful) "......some of that Katy Perry fluffy stuff that you love so much!" *Robin Thicke* : (also sounding obnoxiously smug, and fresh off the back of his ugly breakup with Paula Patton) "I'd love to thank my wife for putting up with me for all these years" *Stephen Stills* : (Sounding arrogant and defensive) "I like to drink wine and expensive scotch, and that's the end of that" *Lauryn Hill* : (Sounding insecure and pissed off at the audience) "Y'all getting paid to clap like that?!" *Joe Strummer* : (Sounding pissed off and preachy) "Anyone who takes a drug is a hippie, and hippies can shove off!" *Darius Rucker* : (In Todd's "hunger dunger dang" singing voice) "People hate us because we don't sing about how much we hate our parents!" *Gregg Allman* : (In his magazine interview talking about Cher) "I'm sorry, but she's not a very good singer"
*Brian Wilson* : (sounding completely dead and devoid of joy) "No, I don't like Mike Love at all." *Joanne Catherall* : (sounding intentionally oblivious and airheaded) "They really confused us at first by saying things like 'Hey man, that record's kicking,' and we were going... *Whaaaat?"* *Liz Phair* : (sounding like she's bullshitting everything all the way through) "It's... kind of Rock Pop Folk Feminism... Rap."
I read somewhere once that Chad spent a whole summer analyzing the hits of the time and figured out the ultimate formula Nickleback would go on to use in their songwriting. Idk if thats true, but hearing how expertly theyve emulated the Imagine Dragons sound had my jaw on the floor because im like.. Hes been back in the lab clearly lol
Didn't Imagine Dragons pretty much replaced Nickleback in the "most hated band in the world" category? The time Imagine Dragons started to get popular was pretty much the same as when Nickleback started to disappear from the public eye, so you can see it as a passing of the torch of sorts.
Honestly, as much as bad as Nickelback was, they at least sounded like Rock music. Imagine Dragons sounds like Rock music for Gen Z'ers who think Rock music sucks. I just wish Gen Z would have tried to reclaim Rock music for the marginalized instead of letting it waste away. But that's just my opinion.
Joel trying to sing Nickelback's Photograph but breaking down into laughter within the song's first seconds every time he tries to is still one of the funniest things I've ever seen on the internet. "How can I hate Nickelback when they bring me so much joy?" -Vargskelethor Joel
As a joke, I would sometimes sing the chorus of She Keeps Me Up, and everyone thought I was making it up on the spot. No one believed me when I said it was Nickleback song. I’m devastated it wasn’t a bigger joke at the time
I was 8 years old when nickleback was going through its “photograph” era. My Dad (who listens to a lot of 90’s rock) HATED the album but my Mom (who listened to alot of pop LOVED it.) it was a crazy time and I kinda miss those days
Part of me thinks Todd made this video so he could, even for just a few minutes, talk about the song Kroeger and Carly Rae Jepsen wrote together so that more people know about it and can ask them to release it. Honestly, I’d do the same
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"I admit that there was music" is the theoretical perfect title for a lost media holy grail song.
Just like “Everybody Knows That”
There was… I can’t find it anywhere.
Other contenders:
- The sages foretold that there would be music
- While not admitting to any music, my client has agreed to a settlement
- What is music? Webster's defines music as...
Only Nickelback could make a protest song that sounds like the soundtrack to a Ford ad.
*Muse's the Will of the People steps into the room*
Nah that's exactly what Shinedown did last year, except it's an entire album
@@lucastaylor3399 wait no, I'll defend will of the people (both song and album) for all eternity, in that it's not actually a protest song, it's a self-referential song making "fun" of their typical cliché songs about revolution and all that, it isn't meant to be a protest song.
Five Finger Death Punch? Don't know much about them but it feels like something they would do...
@@el_veravi feel like you're giving them a bit too much credit there
I still can’t believe that they were like “what should we do when Chad sings Look At This Photograph” and they all agreed that Chad should hold up a photograph. While looking dead into the camera. It’s just. It’s so funny. I can’t
I remember seeing a pic of the recording of that part of the video with the caption along the lines of "a legendary moment being made" and I was like "wait, no it's not, he's holding the photograph with his other arm!"
Look at this graaaaph
That's old school. Back in the 80's some videos would depict exactly what the lyrics were saying. The best example is Erasure's "A Little Respect". They performed a little scene for each lyric. When Andy Bell sings "Oh baby please give a little respect to me", Vince Clarke gives him a little sign that says "Respect" on it. And there is part where he sings the word "Soul" and they show a poster for the 1988 Seoul Olympics. It's great.
What do you do when you show someone a meme on your phone?
Point the phone at them and look at their face for the reaction.
@@AnonymousFriend "LOOK AT THIS MEME I FOUND!"
"why didn't you fucking say something man?" The idea that chat kroeger has been too shy to bring up that everyone in the world has been pronouncing his name wrong for 20 years is so fucking hillarious
*Canadian politeness overload*
@@Eric_Hunt194 I'm not sure if my actual first name, Dejosh, is pronounced Dih-josh or Dee-josh, or if it’s spelled Dejosh or De Josh.
stuff like this is making me feel a little guilty about not liking nickelback lol
@@princeapoopoo5787 as people or a band?
@@OfficialROZWBRAZEL as a band. I try not to have the mentality that someone who makes content you don't like is automatically a bad person.
I can't hate Chad Kroeger for one reason.
Derek Whibley of Sum 41, shortly after divorcing Avril Lavigne, went to a Halloween party with his new girlfriend. They went as Chad and Avril and tweeted a pic.
Chad tweeted back, "Avril and I would have dressed as you two, but the party had a celebrity theme."
Savage.
As much as I like Sum 41, I can respect the burn.
@@KoopySandwiches Same here. Sum 41 is a way better, more interesting, and more likable band than Nickelback but Chad got Deryck good there.
Who tf gets their gf to dress up as their ex-wife for Halloween?
Isn’t his name Derek Whibley?
The fact that Joey Moi escaped Nickelback and then immediately infected another genre with his pestilence is kind of hilarious
Wait, really? What else did he do?
@@neckpeck2738by the looks of his Wikipedia article, a whole lot of bro-country.. 😬
Joey: rock is dead, my job is done here, now lets go kill another music genre
Ruining music was in Joey's head all along
@@soulbrother5435 Fuckin' monster.
The guy that produced Nickelback is now responsible for modern country, that... makes so much sense. like, never has anything been clearer in my life.
I had the same reaction. That guy ruined country
Oh.
_Oh._
Yeah, that was an eye-opening moment for me, too.
YUP! Now that this "new country " has gone mainstream infact country acts are now winning awards that were supposed to won by rock bands like the recent shut out of Foo Fighters and Metallica by Zack Bryan? It's ridiculous!
i was wondering where's the rock part of all those bro-country comes from and no wonder FGL sounds like a walmart hillbilly nickelback with a banjo.......
Fun fact: the welcome sign at the entrance to Hanna, Alberta (the town that the band formed in) has a sign that says “Proud to be the home of Nickelback”.
Why am I not surprised that they're from Canada's Texas?
them being from alberta makes so much sense lmao
now i also wanna take a trip over to hanna to see the beautiful sights of jack diddly shit, and fuck-all just to say that i did, and take some pics w/the sign. its only like a 2 1/2 hour drive lololol
That was better than the previous slogan on the sign, which read "Hey, you gotta live SOMEWHERE, right?"
@@donutsuegoassuming you're coming from Calgary, you can at least see some cool dinosaurs on the way there/back in Drumheller! Gotta advertise my own home town, which is also otherwise totally unremarkable besides its One Thing
@@thewuurm truuuueeee. ive actually been meaning to hit up drumheller too lol
I'll always be thankful for Nickleback. Not because of their music, but because the "Look at this graph" video is still the funniest thing on the internet.
What I like the most about that is, they've embraced the humour of the meme and actually perform it live before properly playing Photograph.
@@CWTygerThey do? Okay, that's adorable!
And then you have Joel's "cover" which is probably the funniest thing ever did related to Nickelback.
@CWTyger see Todd? Nickleback can be funny!
Rush starts Tom Sawyer with the bit from South Park, and Cheap Trick opened their show with a gag about them from the Simpsons. It's nice to see a band be able to laugh at themselves a little.
Todd In The Shadows isn’t just a critic, he’s a music historian who reminds everyone when the current narrative tries to fudge the facts, clearing up misconceptions about even hated acts nobody respects.
I don’t care for music, but I am a historian. If Todd was a mere critic I wouldn’t be here
It exactly why I am here
I guess the critics corner is "did they deserve better?" On 1HWL videos
You can only really unpack these critically without being in the timeframe it.was released.
His Pop Song Reviews are maybe what you are honing in on.
You can say he's at the edge of a revolution
You're telling me this is how he reminds us of what we really are?
"Flo Rida is the guy you get when you want a rapper, but not necessarily any rapper in particular."
Unbelievably brutal.
And brutally believable
it's pretty telling that my favorite flo rida single by far is the one where he barely raps at all (my house)
Well it explains his appearances on Eurovision in 2021.
San Marino, Eurovision 2021. You had to be there.
holy fuck, its the person who makes those Lancer memes! Hi Lancer Meme Wolf!
A quote from an article about Nickelback. "Chad Kroeger wakes up every day to hear on the radio how his band is the worst one in the world. Then he plays a sold out show meeting fans who are ecstatic to meet him, parties that night with fans, and goes back to the hotel, sleeps, and wakes up to hear on the radio how his hand is the worst one in the world."
Chuck Klosterman wrote that about when he saw Creed and Nickelback in concert the same night.
You ever read his books?
That sounds like a very strange way to live. I hope he’s well.
He does have awful hands ✋️ 😢
@@thatkidwiththehoodiedude has an allegedly massive wang, he's good.
There's fans of drinking piss too, what's your point?
The fact that the lost Nickleback CRJ collab is called “I admit there was music” makes it sound like they were trying to hide it even while it was being recorded.
It should be followed with "any other questions should be addressed to my attorney"
Mistakes Were Made
Makes me suspicious that the whole thing is just a joke.
Shouts to Todd for having an actual conversation about Nickelback, whether you love or hate them, bc I feel like every mention of them now just circles back to “Look at this - graph!”
To be fair, whether you love them or hate them, "look at this graph" is unquestionably the most important part of their legacy.
@@Talisguyalso they themselves think it's fucking hilarious
@@TalisguyWhen Todd showed the Photograph clip I thought of “look at this graAph” and choked laughing. It’s been like ten years…
@@Talisguy oh, you’re 100% correct it’s also incredibly hilarious to this day. Peak comedy.
SKOOLOOLEEME- _wheezes_
People talk shit about nickelback forget that Train exists.
No matter what nickelback ever writes, it will never be as bad as ‘I’m so gangster, in so thug’
Why are you talking bad about Train? They had great hits such as Drops of Jupiter.
Or "looking for a two-ply Hefty bag
To hold my love"
What about Daughtry, huh? We can always go lower
@@thisisfyneThank you! Daughtry was THE definition of dull, watered down post-grunge. I can give Chris Daughtry credit for having a better singing voice than Chad Krueger, but as for the music as a whole, they made Nickelback seem interesting.
Truly the most maddening lyric in rock music
you do not call yourself "gangsta" and "thug" in a song with a fucking ukelele backing track
Ridiculously enough, a Nickelback song saved my life. I was in college, deeply depressed, suicidal, and in a bad relationship, and that semester "Savin' Me" became not just my anthem but, dumb as it may sound, my prayer. Some nights listening to it on loop was the only thing keeping me going. By the end of the semester, the relationship ended, I moved to another state, and my mental health began to improve, and because of all of that I will always love Nickelback at least a little bit.
❤
Nearly exact for me, but the song was "Lullaby". Hate them all you want, but those two songs mean a lot to a lot of people.
Neither Savin’ me nor Lullaby may not have saved me, but it most certainly made dark days a little. I love half their songs and don’t much like the rest.
I'm a longtime Nickelback hater, but boy do I understand something cheesy being a lifeline when you're in a bad place. Glad you found something to get you through.
Emotions aside, idk why people call these songs "corny" because Savin Me has one of my favourite guitar solos of all time
Listen, I'm Canadian. Specifically, I'm a Canadian millenial. This means that my formative years were *surrounded* by Nickelback songs. They were constantly played on the radio, on MuchMusic (even if most of those plays were someone taking jabs at them), and in general they were just virtually inescapable.
I have never heard a single goddamn song from this album in my entire life.
I have definitely heard the funky monkey song, on the radio, as recently as last year. Maybe because I live in Alberta?
That funky monkey song was all over the parts of tiktok I was on.
Same here.
Being from Finland, where rock radio is still very much a thing, I know half of the songs and "What are you waiting for" was a big radio hit here back then.
@@erindoyle1452 honestly I could see that being the case; I live in Ontario so I haven't heard it play over here. That being said, please keep it over there lmfao
Nickelback hate was like if the backlash towards Disco in the 80s or Hair Metal in the 90s was directed towards one act rather than an entire genre.
I find that 90% of the hate towards Nickelback is due to the comedian that didn’t like them. They have definitely hade some stinkers, but over all the band has had more consistency than most bands similar to their style or bands that are better than them
Not entirely true. Post-grunge in general got a lot of backlash, but among those bands Nickelback is kinda the only one that survived.
For instance, at the height of the Nickelback Sucks phenomenon, people had a list of similar bands that also sucked, with the most common one being Default (Wasting My Time), but, who remembers Default now?
...except those had good stuff. Nickelback are boring and mediocre.
The hate for Nickelback was moreso directed towards post-grunge as a whole. Which, frankly, looking back on it is probably the hair metal of its day - the remnants of what used to be an interesting and original genre that became easy selling, middle-of-the-road "rock" music that was played everywhere and was boring and monotonous and (at the time) really only liked by moms and dudebros, and ALWAYS hated by snobs. There wasn't a "Smells Like Teen Spirit" for post-grunge, but its death can be pretty easily marked by the time that 10's-style indie rock became the standard. Maybe one could argue that Kings of Leon's "Use Somebody" was the killer of post-grunge? Or just in general the string of fluke indie rock hits throughout the late 00's that culminated in 2012 with fun. and Gotye becoming the bannerholders of rock and killing 90's style alternative outright.
The backlash for disco isn't really as comparible since it was a completely unique genre taking hold basically overnight and was killed overnight a few years later.
@@RichardFisting I watched that SunnyV2 video too. I think he gives way too much credit to the zeitgeist-swaying power of... Brian Posehn.
"I admit that there was music" is the closest I can get to praising Nickelback
X2
i will go one step further and admit there were also videos
If you asked me 20 years ago I would've said "You Remind Me is kinda cool for a song that came out of nowhere and their track for the Spider-Man movie was good," but that would be it. My big gripe with Nickelback was that they were so one-dimensional as a band that anytime they released a single you already knew what it would sound like and what the song would be about. The fact that Chad had a singing voice that only got more grating the more you heard it was just extra.
yes, he should shelve more of his songs
It's definitely a song of all-time.
Wow. So I’ve been jokingly referring to modern bro country as “Nickelback with Cowboy Hats” for a while now. I had no idea that Nickelback’s producer was actually producing it and giving it that sound.
Wow you sound absolutely hilarious
It’s not surprising to me. They are from an area where country is super popular. Nickelback could have actually made country and felt legit because they are farm boys lol
I have news for you, there is a Nickelback song called Cowboy Hat. It's on The State
Holy shit, the reveal that nickelback’s producer went on to work in Nashville explains SO MUCH. Jesus Christ Todd saying that felt like a curtain lifting
Listening to Nickelback songs you can so clearly hear the bro-country in it. Just without the twang or lyrics that are specifically about rural tropes.
Its like southern mid-west country
They’re from Alberta which is the one hotbed of the abomination known as Canadian country music.
Country rock without the country, if you will
It felt like opening Pandora's box.
I'm with Todd on that Tina Fey line, I also don't like much Nickelback and actually gasped when she called them a one hit wonder lmao
I don't think she wrote that line though. It had to be whoever was the writer for that show. Maybe they were thinking of another band for a second, but forgot who it was, so they just said the name of a band who had a reputation for being disliked.
@heymistercarter. I have no idea, but either way I'd think you'd at least look into it first yk
“Podcast Crazy Town” would have been way funnier and actually made sense
@@philly_sports1558 or Alien Ant Farm. And that would’ve been an even more fitting joke, since their only hit was a cover!
@@heymistercarter. Nah, AAF's first album was fine. Too fine to legitimately hate.
Growing up is realizing that there are far greater evils in music than Nickelback
Hell plenty of respected artist are far more evil than Nickelback ever was
lol what? we are talking about how their music is bad. i dont remember this conversation about "evil" like we are addressing the theodicy of Nickelback.
Maroon 5...shudder
@@nothingisawesomenah I’m saying musically too, there’s so much worse music out there lol
Honestly, there's even worse butt-rock/divorced dad rock out there than Nickelback. I'll take Nickelback at their worst over Trapt at their best, any day of the year.
The reason “Paralyzer” works where “She Keeps Me Up” fails is because dance music (not EDM) requires rhythmic finesse and slight looseness and all Nickelback knows how to do is pound mercilessly. You can’t be funky with a heavy foot.
Paralyzer is an unironic great song. Also it was popular when I was in HS and actually had a GF (she was actually the one who told me that song was by Finger Eleven) so I just have fond memories of everything from that time I guess.
And lowkey, Finger Eleven is a freaking underrated band. They got more play in Canada and yeah, they were pretty damn good.
@@AndreNDP as a fellow canadian, I can concur
Plus Finger Eleven is actually a great band
Do people not like Paralyzer? I found it hot
Over lockdown I wrote a musical called “Dickelback”. Illicit substances were involved, but it consumed me for months. I dove so deep into their back catalogue of hits that I started to realise that to my shame, I actually quite like some of their songs. Anyway the musical features Chad Kroeger getting superpowers with the help of Avril Lavigne after being blinded by a Canadian Tundra Gang. It’s a fever dream.
RELEASE THIS PLEASE IM BEGGING YOU
Kickstarter this.
Now.
@@garyhanniffy982 one day friend, once it’s truly finished. I genuinely wrote over a 100 pages 😂, but never finished it. The plot outline is set in stone though, so don’t fear, I’ll finish it.
Why is nobody funding this?
@@08mlascellesCan you notify me when this is finished so I can audition? I’m genuinely compelled.
My introduction to Nickelback was having downloaded System of a Down's Chop Suey off of Kazaa back in summer of 2001, and the version I got was a radio rip that literally had the ending chords of "How You Remind Me" at the beginning, followed by some DJ banter going "Okay,THIS song also dropped today, the new System of a Down song, let's go!" and then the song plays, and when it's over the DJs were like "WOW! Okay! That blew Nickelback out of the water, jeez!"
Ah, what a time it was..
Kazaa lite for the win
@@robwebster1098 It was DC++ for me :D Up until we all became pirates ;)
Would love to hear that if you magically still have that cd rip
Funny thing is I like both songs and I'm a big defender of those subgenres
What boggles my mind is how Chad's speaking voice is so normal and when he sings he sounds like THAT
How does that happen
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I’ve heard a lot of singers whose speaking voices are very different than their singing voices, but Kroeger’s is on a different level.
See also: Stapp, Scott
HOW THE HELL’D WE WIND UP LIKE THIS??
Liam Gallagher is like that too. His normal speaking voice is pretty deep, but when he sings he becomes extremely nasally
Blackie Lawless from W.A.S.P. is the same way.
He sings like a banshee with a slimy growl, but when you hear interviews with him he has a deep voice and is pretty soft spoken (See: "The Story of Jonathan")
“Everybody wants to be the sisters mister” is such a corny lyric it’s weighed on me heavy like a car accident or the death of a relative
Not COCA COLA ROLLERCOASTER
sounds like something that Patrick Monahan would've left on the cutting room floor
I still don't know what a Coca Cola Rollercoaster is
You’ve gotta respect Todd’s commitment to the music history aspects of Trainwreckords. Even when covering a band he unambiguously HATES, he never fails to give a balanced, even recollection of the facts!
I once had a dream where Nickelback released a song titled "What Are We Doing Being Bananas?" After hearing the chorus of "She Keeps Me Up", the thought of that track is no longer unfeasible to me.
Sounds like a Nickelback YTP waiting to happen.
You should actually write that song.
"Tons of bands who sucked worse, but there were none who sucked more" This is the greatest Nickelback joke of all time.
It's not a joke
@@deadforever its a joke in the sense that todd plays on words, not that it's not true
Second greatest. Nickleback's video for This Afternoon has the best Nickleback joke. I will never budge on this.
Todd casually forgetting about Chicago.
@@deadforeverjokes are funny when they are true (this coming from a partial defender of the band)
Nickleback's producer creating Bro Country makes so much sense
An anecdote from a Nickelback fangirl.
I was introduced to the band via Chad's song for Spider-Man. I grew up listening to all their albums and in my early days on social media, I met other girls that liked the band. We knew we weren't listening to The Beatles, but we had fun.
Words cannot describe the massive fandom meltdown that happened when this album dropped. Every Nickelback fan from the die hard to the casual all flipped on a dime. If those of y'all who don't like the band hated this album, imagine how fans felt. Shit was brutal.
Seemed like more of an anecdote than an antidote
@@vanmaiorano2075 Basically yeah. The moment everyone said "Fuck this shit I'm out!"
It was fans like you who made me realize I was being an ass just relentlessly making fun of these fans for no reason.
Thanks for just being yourself. I know people can be jerks. There's teasing, and then there's relentless teasing.
@@vanmaiorano2075 Lulu was the St Anger for St Anger fanboys
@@rahulmenon4357 Lulu is a title for a Primus album, not a Metallica/Lou Reed collaboration. I would have told them "Everyone's going to think Bugs Bunny, dudes!"
One thing I do respect about Nickelback is that How You Remind Me was specifically written in about 10 minutes to be a hit. Chad just sat down and tried to figure out the musical and lyrical ideas necessary for something to top the charts. And succeeded.
I think that's why professionals in the music industry seem to respect them a lot; just because they evidently know what they're doing.
@@gnomefrompinkerton There's probably an element of survivor bias there.
I'm open to the possibility of there being good Nickelback album-only tracks (I like some butt rock now and then), but hits are hits, and get overplayed like hits.
I'll defend How You Remind Me and Hero from the Spider Man soundtrack though.
Even Rockstar, with the caveat of it being dumb bullshit (sometimes dumb bullshit is fun)
@@gnomefrompinkertonlmao pfp checks out
@@gnomefrompinkertonYou say that like How you remind me *isn't* a fucking banger, which it is.
@@gnomefrompinkerton imagining the alternate timeline where Nickelback swaps careers with Weezer
@@bareakonUm..... Hero is a Foo Fighters song........
Okay, I have to say this because I haven't seen it in the comments. "She Keeps Me Up" isn't about a woman, it's about cocaine. That's the "funky little monkey", as in a "monkey on your back". Nearly every lyric in the song is a direct reference to cocaine. Which is also why it's written as a glam song. Also, it's going to live rent free in my head for a few weeks. Thanks, Todd.
He, uh, mentioned that in the video. Text on screen, lower left corner.
@@LordHattie Fair. Still wrong (it's not an and/or situation; the song is anthropomorphizing cocaine in a way that a cis-hetero male can identify as an object of lust, but it is absolutely not about a woman at any point), but fair. I will cop to not actually watching Todd's content. I find it makes better background listening for tasks.
That would explain the line "Coca-Cola rollercoaster"
This was a reupload, it was commented a couple times about on the original, now private, video.
@@TimmyTickleI keep hearing it as “coke ‘er, coal ‘er, roll ‘er, coast ‘er” and thinking of a steam engine
My girlfriend in college was a big Nickelback fan. She showed me a lot of their deeper cuts, stuff you don't hear on the radio, and I got why some people are still ride or die for them. While they've never been my band, I've never hated them.
Like what?
S.E.X. has got to be one of my favorite deep cuts by them
@@Baseballnfj Unironically Rockstar but as a sea shanty. Honestly, a lot of The Dark Road. Do This Anymore's a good one. Their first two albums, Curb and The State are kinda interesting to listen to because they're a lot more 90s than 2000s. Like Little Friend from Curb doesn't really sound like a Nickelback song and it's really dark.
I think Todd is right. People didn't get tired and hate Nickelback because they were talentless, we hated them because they were John Cena. Always on the radio and shoved down your throat. The people who like rock I'd wager are mostly working-class so they had the radio on all day. If you had to listen to five Chad Kroeger songs every-single-day... the same ones at that... you'd lose your mind too. I know this because I was there! I saw it, Gandalf. People hated John Cena because we were told to like him, he beat up all the guys we liked, and was the kid version of wrestling. Well... Nickelback was the same thing.
I think the reason why people are defending Nickelback now is "it's cool to like stuff people hated back then!" We've seen it with disco. We've seen it the Prequels. Now that the thing you hated isn't drilled into your brain anymore it doesn't seem so bad. Also, there's nostalgia and the "music sucks now" mentality. In every era people thought modern music sucked and it was better "back then". So maybe people like Nickelback now because they are better than Shinedown.
Granted, the entire anti-disco sentiment was a symptom of the sudden, sharp anti-queer turn in media brought on by Reagan. Disco stuck around in the background as the roots that grew into EDM and, to an extent, hip hop in the 90s and early 00s.
Dude, Five Finger Death Punch was awesome in the 2000s.
@@TheoRae8289 But also a lot of lame white people did Disco, see Ringo the 4th Trainwreckord for that
Most wrestling fans actually like and respect Cena now though. I don't think most rock fans have turned around on Nickelback.
@@bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819 Agreed. I loathe what they've become, but I'll still put on Way Of The Fist and War Is the Answer if I wanna feel real dumb and confident. "Hard to See" is such a banger even so many years on!
For the past few years I have been making a playlist called "Trainwreckord Survivors" in which I compile all the songs Todd says are the best (or close to it) on each Trainwreckord he covers. When he doesn't outright single out a track, I just go with my gut and pick what I feel fits. Oh god folks, I cannot tell you the immense pleasure I got from putting the so bad it's good "She Keeps Me Up" on that playlist. It was a toss up between that, A Million Miles Away, and the Flo Rida collab, but I had to put Nickelback's sad attempt to be Bruno Mars on it. Thank you for showing me that garbage, Todd.
Edit: if you want to hear the playlist for yourself, here it is:
ruclips.net/p/PLkw0DHFWNkDGFIshK2IVPHkfK2Q8Fi-sa&si=F9vJ8imCXOMgRLIt
Dude, that playlist sounds awesome! I found it on your channel, thanks for sharing it!
Jesus Christ I can hear Bruno singing every lyric in my head and the song gets so much better as a Proto-Blow (which I like, fuck y'all, Chris Stapleton did no wrong)
@@ashen_rosesIs there a Bruno Mars AI tool? We could use it to have him sing that song
@@ashen_rosesTo me, it sounded more like something Maroon 5 would sing during their rock era.
Imagine showing that playlist to someone who has no concept of what Trainwreckords is
4:42 I was SO NOT READY for Nickelback "getting kind of funky", like I had a physical reaction to that clip. Also Todd's laugh fully took me out 😂
That made me do a Scooby Doo impression 💀
@@wad316”ruh roh!”
I got downed by that and then the shot of Chad with his short cut and shades lookin like Sgt. Crack Stuntman fully took me out
@@MrSkerpentineWe should head back to my cabin in Tahoe! It’s got a two story hot tub, and an underwater fireplace!
Nickelback was a victim more of timing than anything else. Their first big hit album was Silver Side Up, which released in 2001. The same year that there was a massive explosion in home internet access rates across America. Between the the release of Silver Side Up and their follow up The Long Road, internet penetration went from around 39% to 67%. Nickelback just happened to be the band that was popular to hate at the exact same time the vast majority of Americans, the largest audience for them, also got access to the loudest opinion amplifier and circlejerk generator in history.
Yeah, I could imagine The Monkees or Beach Boys or Oasis even being the butt of the joke if internet came out earlier, just because they were everywhere in that decade.
Released on September 11, 2001.
Yes, really.
It also doesn’t help that post-grunge in general was not very well liked by anyone other than its core demographic (and was especially hated by the “reputable” tastemakers of the time, often for class reasons), yet most of the popular post-grunge bands of the 2000s (like Fuel, Staind, Seether, Crossfade, Daughtry, Three Days Grace, Breaking Benjamin, etc) would only have one or two major crossover hits, and then retreat back into the radio rock ecosystem where pop audiences could ignore them. Not so with Nickelback, who had at least 8 or so major crossover hits…
I think the dark feeling of the album helped in the 9/11 aftermath.
Dang it, Todd. As if I didn't yearn for things enough, now you've added "Nikelback x Carly Rae Jepsen song" to my list of things I desire but will never have. Thanks a lot
“Everybody wants to be the sister’s mister” was buried somewhere deep into the recesses of my mind until now.
I keep thinking he's gonna say sister fister lol
This line has been popping up in my head on random occasions for like a decade. I didn't know that this song was obscure.
@@Eric_Hunt194 Stop the Train!
I know I've heard it before somewhere, but I genuinely have no idea when or where
@@DepravedCoTApologist I'm pretty sure it was a TikTok trend for terrible rural influencers.
The connection between Flo-Rida and Nickelback is actually really clear. The WWE. They both had HIGHLY publicized and promoted work with pro wrestling. Nickleback did the (in my opinion) best theme for Monday Night Raw, and Flo-Rida did the theme song for at least two WrestleManias. And some other shit. Their Bacon number was absolutely one for a long time before this.
the only connection missing is Chad attacking heath slater backstage
(that's something that happened in a segment in wwe with Flo-Rida
TOTALLY disagree with it being the best Raw theme (Across the Nation and Thorn In Your Eye imo hits different) but that connection does make sense in the realm of 2010s WWE
Everything WWE does feels like a Nickelback/Flo Rida concert tbh
@@ameenaceesay1376 you are entitled to your opinion. For my part, I intend to hold onto mine until the world stops turning and we burn it to the ground tonight.
@@thepolarphantasm2319 that's not fair. Sometimes it's Pitbull. Or Limp Bizkit.
16:00
"We want to be like Imagine Dragons!"
"Best I can do is OneRepublic."
I honestly kind of LOVE the "funky little monkey" song. It is definitely a bad song, but man something about the way he sings "twisted SISTAH" is absurdly catchy to me. I could actually see myself jamming out to it, like it is just the kind of hilarious cheeseball nonsense that I find extremely fun. Definition of a guilty pleasure.
Can confirm, just looped it and it IS the fun kinda of bad. Its so close to "Can't feel my Face" but then hts the chorus "on this coca-cola rollercoaster" and it goes back to silly with it. I can't tell if he needed to lean in harder the lover side to make it subtitle or just go full parody. I know its late but makes me wish they wrote the whole ablum as deliberate parody of Rockstardom.
I say it because that sounds like the soundtrack to the "good" verison of The Idol debuckle. The one that properly makes fun of the cult of fame, revolutionairy ethos that sold out for Hollywood fame, riches and self destruction at the top of the mountain with the press going wild. IDK Y but it sounds like the writing prompt for the great old Rock opera that closes the whole genre in a god way.
Or maybe it's just caught my attention ona dull weekend when I'm procrastating cleaning my room....
that sections was briefly trending on tiktok a few months ago ironically haha.
I know, right? That clip started playing and I was like "oh yeah, I remember that this song is fun!!"
I really like the funky vibes and the chorus is super catchy, Chad Kroger just isn't the right person to sing a song like this though.
I actually have that song in my liked Playlist. Yes, it's a bop.
But Todd's reaction is priceless.
If there is any rapper that belongs on a Nickelback song, it is definitely Flo Rida
I'm astonished Pitbull hasn't collaborated with them yet, come to think of it.
@@MACMAMIpaging mr. will.i.am
I didn't recognise him at first. I thought the punchline was just that Nickelback had a guest rapper. That was funny enough. Then Todd pointed out that it was Flo Rida and I laughed myself into a coughing fit. It's just... perfect.
"YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!" - random kids
Snoop Doggy Dogg would fit as well (as he fits for everything in the world)
Really excited for an analysis of Nickelback with a full music breakdown, not weighed down by easy jokes. This is such an amazing series for "Heres 30 min on *why* this sucks"
What makes this song stink.
I lost my VIRGINITY to one of their songs, it was extremely painful and traumatic. And here y'all are making fun of them? they were a big part of my life. STOP IT NOW.
@@againstthepods4316dude this is on like every comment, countless people probably have, why are you even here if it reminds you of something like that?
@@sixxjr because it’s a moment I will never forget and has affected my life in every way
@@againstthepods4316 That kind of trauma is truly terrible and it messes someone up for life. I genuinely feel empathy for you, I do. I'd suggest that you take time away from this kind of trigger though, or at least talk about it with a mental health professional
She Keeps Me Up has been a staple on rock radio stations in Canada since it's release. I'll be perfectly honest, I had no idea it was a nickelback song since it sounds nothing like their normal stuff. I've only ever heard it casually on the radio half listening but I've definitely heard it quite a few times over the last decade.
Context note: In Canada a certain % of songs played on the radio are required to be Canadian artists so you very often get non-hits like She Keeps Me Up that get played for years because the stations are just filling their Canadian artist song quota. Nickelback is one of the biggest Canadian bands of the 21st century so they have forever lived as a go to quota filler for rock stations these last two decades.
canadian rules ab media will always astound me bc we have like. 3 watchable shows and then smth like 40% of all tv has to be canadian produced???
I like the attempts at cultural cohesion and nationalism, but I don't know if the heavy-handedness in the media formats is that effective in generating one.
@@TheZenomeProjectIt works. Ever wonder why there seem to be so many big bands that end up being from Canada despite us having a population about 1/10th that of the US? It's because they get air play up here because of this law, get famous locally and the big labels down south gobble them up.
@@iwakeupandboomimaratThe 40% thing for TV only applies for channels based out of Canada like CTV, Citytv and APTN. Since most of are TV channels originate elsewhere, it doesn't apply to them. Hard to argue with the results of radio laws though. Ever notice how many big bands come from here? Giving Canadian artists radio play they would never get otherwise gets people noticed.
@@devilmikey00philosopher kings, nickelback, Crystal castles, prozzak, sum 41, shark tank...fuck I think you're right.
Must be extremely gratifying finding a terrible interview segment to go with a trainwreckord.
'Life in Prison as Ladies Man'
'Get a little Funk-AY'
More please 🎉
"I never liked Mike Love"
"divorced dad rock" is still being fondly and consistently referenced on tiktok now. they're bringing back 2010s recession pop too
Oh god I hope not. Even as a kid in the 2010s I disliked most of the new music coming out at the time. Just near total slump decade until like maybe 2018-19.
@@Electrolux219y’all don’t like fun
Yeah that "twisted sister" chorus snippet is ALL OVER TikTok, I didn't even know it was Nickleback until this video
@@CreatrixTiara Ahh, so that's why this girl was playing the song at work. I was really confused when I heard it.
It's not easy to admit this but: Chad's voice can get pretty gnarly and he's flirted with darker lyrics, they have a song with sick blast beat, they have a genuinely great cover of Sad But True and Chad is practically cosplaying as James Hetfield in half of these clips. They *could* be a hell of an arena thrash band, maybe they should try playing metal?
they have metal songs. flat on the floor, side of a bullet, follow you home, not leavin yet. people just ignore the rockers for some reason.
what song of theirs has a blast beat ?
@@mgeeinc.4270 probably because they sound like the soundtrack for the worst dive bar imaginable.
@@mgeeinc.4270 A lot of that is metal in the same way a band like 5FDP or post-2010 Godsmack is metal. Mediocre boom-crack "big is heavy" post-post-grunge. All of it feels so empty.
Figured You Out absolutely slams, as do Woke Up This Morning, Fight for All the Wrong Reasons, and Next Contestant (and I will give you Side of a Bullet and Follow You Home though they do fit the mold I described above, which is a shame considering how good the drum intro for Follow You Home is, and Side of a Bullet has that one interesting kick drum measure in each verse that shows the song's potential), but most of their good heavy stuff straddles the line between metal and hard riff rock - Leader of Men, Never Again, Too Bad, Where Do I Hide, Just For, Throw Yourself Away, Animals (another song with a pretty sick drum intro that just falls into mediocrity), etc.
Feed the Machine and The Betrayal Act 3 is the best example of this
That Avril Lavigne album Chad Kroeger helped her write would probably qualify for Trainwreckords too
Which album? Kinda wanna give it a listen
@@lance307its her self titled album from 2013, which had that hello kitty song as the single
Oh god my mind had buried it deep. Now I know why it was soooo bad
@@iwakeupandboomimaratthe song she specifically wrote as an appreciation letter to her massively devoted fanbase in Japan?
Nah. Other than Hello Kitty is pretty bland boring pop.
27:30 I love how Todd is so gleefully sinister here that you can clearly see him smile ear to ear with all his teeth out.
Weirdly enough, I met Chad Kroeger earlier this year before I quit my job. I worked at a pretty high end restaurant that Nickelback apparently visited so often the servers were friends with them, and would party at their mansions sometimes. I was cleaning out the bathroom, and the man stops me in the middle of doing that to read my nametag and ask about me.
I have a Persian name, so he asked me how to pronounce it, and we talked a bit, and sort of made fun about how his name was Chad, and how the meme of that name had humbled him. The whole time, I pretended I had no idea who he was, and I think that made him respect me?
Anyway, he's honestly a pretty chill dude when he's on his own. Genuinely nice and friendly. But as soon as I saw him around other people, I immediately recognized the frat bro who wrote "Something in Your Mouth". He even tried to arm wrestle our bartender. The guy really seems like he needs some friends who will cultivate the less obnoxious version of him that I met, and fame sure as hell didn't help with that.
Also, in terms of politics, I have observed that they are Canadian conservatives, meaning they're pretty close to American democrats.
Oh how the finger pointing never ends.
Lmao that's amazing that he knows the Chad memes
So trivial, so alone.
Classic Revertigo
Your you usually, but when your around your old friend it’s like you never grew up at all
This sounds like the beginning of an extremely weird fanfic
I thiink whoever wrote Tina’s line stoped thinking in 2011
Nickelback had multiple hits off of their major label debut, Silver Side Up in 2001, for fuck's sake. How You Remind Me, Too Bad, and Never Again all hit #1 on the Billboard rock charts. Shit, even two songs off of The State (Leader of Men and Breathe) made the Billboard rock Top 10, back in 2000.
Even if we're especially cruel and require a song to hit #1 on one of Billboard's overall charts (Mainstream Top 40, Adult Top 40, Hot 100, etc), they had two of those by 2003's The Long Road with How You Remind Me and Someday.
@@doylerudolph7965this is confusing. This is trainwreckords, not one hit wonderland. Or are you like responding to a comment someone deleted?
@@w1lDstYLe He's responding to a lazy shitty joke from Only Murders in the Building that Todd called attention to where Tina Fey calls Nickelback a one-hit wonder
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I'm not sure if they were thinking. I've also seen someone say that the line is meant to show how out of touch her character is but it doesn't make sense out of context, since Nickelback is most definitely not a one hit wonder.
I think Nickelback gets scapegoated for the decline of rock because the last really big successful trend in rock was post grunge. And the more boring and overplayed that trend got, the more Nickelback were shoved down our faces.
After grunge got polished into post grunge, plenty of other movements happened, but nothing stuck. Pop punk would come in and out, taking a slice of the pie but never the whole pie. Nu Metal got huge, and then crashed more quickly than hair metal. Garage rock got a lot of hype seemingly out of nowhere but never sold like any of the other styles I mentioned. Other acts like Evanescence, Buckcherry and Haelstorm blew up, but none of them lead to a full on mainstream movement.
And rock fans who didn’t like post grunge were left with more and more disappointment as their favorite styles started falling off the radar. Yet Chad Kroeger kept … Kroegering away …
There's one more issue here. Pop punk was HAAATEEED by punk fans. Post grunge was HATEEEED by grunge fans. Nu metal was HAATED by everyone but especially metal fans. Not because rock fans just hate change; punks loved when hard-core punk began even tho it was radically different from original punk.
Rock didn't die as much as it was suddenly wiped out by fragmentation mostly caused by commercialization (better believe corpos prefer to push Blink182 and their teenage drama music than The Exploited, or Nickleback over Alice in Chains; Linkin Park singing about being a bullied teenager over Slayer yelling about Satan (back when these things got you cancelled in real life with republican moms burning your CDs and blaming you for school shootings).
Shit, even Limp Bizkit was waaaaay more marketable to kids and teens despite being obscene.
Nickleback didn't kill rock, industry did.
Also this is why rap took over and refuses to get toppled. Everytime it gets too commercial, some dudes bring it right back to its street core. Vanilla Ice got on top for 2 minutes and then gangsta rap happen. Nowadays we had sellouts like LMFAO and general pop rap, and then UK drill picked up in US and rap went from white girl party music to stabbing people with kitchen knifes, making rap rap again.
@@aw2584 Growing up metal, I pretty much hated ALL those styles. But yeah, I remember the controversy of Green Day and the Offspring being creating a so-called Punk Revival (while Rancid and NOFX sold a tiny fraction of what they did) and the unbridled hate that extreme metal fans felt for nu metal (after all, that’s when Internet message boards really became a thing). And I still marvel at how acts like Nickelback, Creed and Bush can be called Post Grunge when actual Grunge is supposed to be Mudhoney and The Melvins (I blame that on Mother Love Bone and Pearl Jam getting called Grunge when they really just went down well with fans of Grunge, but that is just fodder for another one of my long-ass posts).
There’s a video from a Frank Zappa interview when he says that rock went downhill once the A&R men started signing bands (I don’t have a link, but it’s not hard to find). So instead of older, cigar-chomping guys in Italian suits signing what they thought the kids might be into, you now had younger people with their “finger on the pulse” in control of who gets signed. And that actually messed things up, because the out-of-touch old guys were never boring and weren’t afraid to take a chance, while the younger guys keep everything safe, consistent and … more and more boring.
And I don’t wanna bash Nickelback fans, but Nickelback’s stardom is the direct result of that. Post Grunge was everything about Grunge that the labels though would work. So by the mid 90s, “Alternative Rock” went from being this raw, innovative and even dangerous sound to being “Morose music with a guy who croons like Eddie Vedder played in a half-ballad-half-almost-rocker-without-a-recognizable-riff” format. And then that went on for 30 years, briefly interrupted by a bunch of other trends that came and went while leaving some of us just as bored. Who is this “us?” People getting bored with mainstream rock, and we’re just growing in numbers.
And Nickelback are the face of what is boring. That’s not even to say that they suck or that people are wrong for listening to them. But they’re the last (?) echo of a sound that was already getting played out before their debut album was recorded.
For the sake of making my list even longer -If you’re not into Post Grunge, than Nickelback are to Post Grunge what Junkyard was to 80’s metal/blues rock. So this is almost like some alternate reality where Junkyard got huge and stayed huge, thrilling the people who like that sound and torturing the rest of the planet. Not that I expect anyone to remember Junkyard…
@@kmexperience Junkyard the pseudo-Hair Metal band that the guitar player from Minor Threat was in? Deep cut.
I watched post-hardcore, metalcore, melodic hardcore, and the reinvention of pop-punk all flicker and die out while Nickelback just kept going. Every bit of success Nickelback has just makes me think of a million better bands. Like Thursday. Or Reuben. Or Real Friends. Or Defeater. Even on rock stations and in rock magazines, they took up space that could've gone to so much better shit that was actually defining underground movements.
@ yup! And that’s where the frustration comes in. They stayed huge while all these other totally exciting acts barely made ripples (if even) in the mainstream. They kind of became the face of everything that was boring to a lot of rock fans .. even though it speaks more about the nature of the industry and popularity than it does to any one band.
The idea that music that fuels protests aren’t always “protest focused” is so true. Because sometimes those songs come off as disingenuous. The first thing that comes to mind is when Trump lost the 2020 election, and people were singing WAP in front of the White House. Why? I don’t know 😂 but I guess they felt it in their spirit.
i guess republicans don't like anything sex related.
they felt it in their WAP.
wap is definitely the type of song that pisses off republicans so i think that makes a lot of sense
Ben Shapiro, would be my guess.
@@berkeleyisonline160 Why does it piss off Republicans?
I lost my VIRGINITY to one of their songs, it was extremely painful and traumatic. And here y'all are making fun of them? they were a big part of my life. STOP IT NOW.
Having never even heard of this album, hearing Nickelback of all bands try their hand at funk left my jaw on the floor.
_NickleBlackLivesMatter_ is actually a hilarious line, Todd...
...also this album is kinda like The Beatles' _White Album_ but on nightmare mode
It’s like all of the worst songs in the white album concentrated
@@daishoryujin95woooah what are the worst songs on the white album? Dont say hey bungalow bill, youve definitely had it stuck in your head before
@@Ukraineaissance2014 I meant Wild Honey Pie and Don’t Pass Me By
@@daishoryujin95 Pixies cover of honey pie is incredible
When is Nickelback doing an avant garde sound collage like Revolution 9?
the moment you revealed that nickelback's old producer was behind florida georgia line and other bro country felt like the twist in a bad movie where the villain turned out to be a puppet of an old villain from earlier in the franchise
"somehow, joey returned..."
A PSA: when Flo Rida happens to be at the studio the same day as you and wants to jump on your record, you say NO!
NO!
I've always found it curious how much Nickelback has been able to brush off the hatred they have gotten throughout the years and never really let that hatred affect it the way it probably should
They probably didn't care, they still got their money. They were probably just confused by it. "Cool, you do you, you ain't buying my album anyway, why would I care about your feelings?"
I’m from Canada and there still pretty popular here , they supposedly put on a really good live show which I wouldn’t doubt in an era with backing tracks and dj’s
Not letting shit that would bother others affect you is actually a pretty damn commendable trait lol Although, it's likely maybe some of it got to 'em at times if, at all, even just slightly.
I absolutely respect when artist have enough self confidence to ignore the haters, even when I am one of the haters. You do you, and don't let anyone stop you.
Good for them. Why should they care. They're rich. Plus their from Canada
It was about time Todd covered one of the most infamous acts of all time.
It’s only a matter of time before he covers another one…
“CHOCOLATE STARFIIIIISSSHHH!!!! 🍫⭐️🐟”
@@philly_sports1558 Those guys are nothing, what about the person whose life is like a simulation of some kind, like a video game? You could even say he's trying very much to beat the stage.
@@SaulGoodman3D2049all while he was still collecting coins, perhaps
@@SaulGoodman3D2049 Seems like he lost his way again, through the storm and through the wind.
I'm pretty sure the only other time Todd's talked about Nickelback was in his 2004 worst list
A significant reason for rocks downfall that you didn't mention is that pop and hip hop just got significantly easier to make, so kids in their bed rooms started making them instead.
During 2005-2010, nickelbacks peak, to record a decent sounding rock record you either needed guitars, amps, mics, drums, bass, and several friends or you needed to be okay with a very very DIY sound. Meanwhile a kid could drop a couple hundred bucks on a FL studio license, a cheap mixer, and a mic and put out a hip hop track that sounded pretty good. Relatedly, these days people are back to playing with a lot more rock style music and elements, becuase those things have caught up. Plugins can simulate basically anything you would need outside of the physical guitar and vocals, and if those things still fall short websites like fiver give you access to cheap, easy to use, session quality musicians if needed. Rock culture is still fighting to catchup though, as you will occasionally get some older artist talking about how the music just isn't "real" any more.
this is a big factor behind why rock music is on the comeback over the last 5 years yet bands are still dying, a lot of artists that make rock music these days are solo acts and they might adopt more nebulous genre labels. It's some kid with a mullet in his basement that occasionally makes soundcloud rap instead of a band of like five guys or girls
6:10 this has been largely passed over by the steady march of History, but CRJ was carving out a niche as a local/indie artist for years before _Call Me Maybe_ shot her into space. She signed to Chad Kroeger's label after finishing in 3rd place on _Canadian Idol_ alongside acts like Theory of a Deadman.
ToaD famously had most of their "big" songs written by Chad, so it's no surprise he was doing it for other artists on the label back in those days.
She released her debut album in 2009. No one outside Canada listened to the album before 2011
Sounds like non-Canadians have a skill issue then lol
"nickelblack lives matter" is just exceptional. amazing. great job
Nothing like beginning the video with Portugal's biggest contribution to the international music scene. Thank you, Todd!
26:41 Chad co-wrote Hello Kitty? That's upsetting in a weird way. There is no man I associate less with kawaii than Chad Kroeger.
I can see it.
The song does give off major “how do you do fellow kids?!” vibes.
@@heethanthenIf anything I thought a collaboration between Avril and Chad would sound like those gag-inducing Gwen Stefani/Blake Shelton duets.
If he was in an anime, he'd be covered in American flags so you knew for sure he was American!
I've known that fact for probably half a decade. It's a hilarious footnote more than anything.
@@ninjabluefyre3815Canadian Bandit Keith.
I JUST found your channel a couple of days ago and binged all of the TrainWreckords-- this feels like a gift.
As a long time viewer of Todd in the Shadows, welcome to the party.
Is that Jokerfied Katsuragi Misato in your profile pic?
Time to go on a one hit wonderland binge now, they're equally excellent
@@julianthesmooshyhusky8976 I literally live only for the one hit wonderland videos, and whatever catch my eye from the other sections of the channel.
One of us! One of us! One of us!
Being an Albertan, I saw Nickleback play in the capital city of our province, Edmonton.
They played an awesome show, had a bouncer pull around a little red wagon with a beer keg on it and gave drinks out to the crowd.
Nickelback is so versatile. I hear them in the supermarket, the dentist's office, and while I'm getting my hair cut.
I lost my VIRGINITY to one of their songs, it was extremely painful and traumatic. And here y'all are making fun of them? they were a big part of my life. STOP IT NOW.
@@againstthepods4316 Was the sex as bad as their music?
@@againstthepods4316 cry some more
@@thenightstar8312 are you making fun of my painful sexual experiences? Do you really hate women that much?
@@LeoMidori you should be supporting me sharing my experience not mocking me
I literally had to pause this video when you mentioned Paralyzer to go listen to it for the bazillionth time. Man I fucking love that song. Timeless bro.
EDIT: I swore Chad and Devin had done more stuff but I guess it was just the Empath album. Point is, its a crossover pretty much nobody expected.
I personally can't hate Nickelback for the reasons of Chad working with Canada's bonkers wizard of prog metal Devin Townsend on a few of his albums. The man could easily write fantastic tech-heavy progressive death metal, but that doesn't pay his presumably massive bills so pop-rock it is. I honestly kinda respect the honest hustle of "I do this for money, not art - but I'll help you if you wanna make weird as shit art anyways".
Also I unironically love Rockstar, that song's hilarious and a guaranteed drunk singalong at ANY Canadian party. Don't @ me, just because I can cook gourmet meals don’t mean I don’t occasionally crave fast food, too.
Chad helped out Ian Thornley after Big Wreck broke up too.
WHAT I had no idea he collabed with Devin Townsend?!?! Mind blown!
He's also a funny guy as well. His interview with Nardwuar was wonderful.
You know, I was pretty sure I had heard something to the effect of Chad, wanting to work with Devin, or the other way around, or they were collaborating on some thing that fell through. Thank you for the confirmation that they have indeed worked with each other, at least on a production level.
@@Mugroar Yeah, he was part of making the “Empath” album (maybe on some other stuff too?) - Chad can be faintly heard on the song “Hear Me”.
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23:08 It's crazy how that guitar riff can hit SO nasty, and then Chad's voice comes in and just robs it of all intensity lmfao
What's funny is they use some pretty expensive guitars, and yet they all sound like compressed garbage.
@mythos8558 Pat Finnerty describes it pretty well as "scumbag tone". Perfect description of the guitar work of most post grunge bands
the worst part of being a Nebula subscriber is the joy from getting a notification of a new Todd in the Shadows video is quickly drenched when you realize you watched it already
That is a glitch in the early access benefit. Especially when it's evergreen content. I get it's more or less just another way to support creators you like but it's like who needs early access to a Nickelback skewering? I see that in other creator's Patreons like this one guy who does videos about little quirks and foibles that happened in NFL games from the 70's, 80's, and 90's and you can pay to get early access to videos.
@@James_St._JamesJaguarGator9?
@@TimmyTickle Yes. That's the one. That dude can stretch out a video about a postgame stat correction into a 20 minute video.
"She Keeps Me Up" actually gets played on the SiriusXM "hard rock" channels. That's the only reason I know it exists.
My wife’s been a longtime Nickelback fan. Are they good? Hell no. Are they overhated? Absolutely.
My wife is a huge Seether fan and I can't tell the difference
Are they good? Hell no. Are they overhated? Hell no.
Overrated and Overhated,perfectly balanced
I feel like this is what it feels like to be Wheezer fan. I feel seen.
Its underappreciated how many female Nickleback fans exist.
I like how Todd’s example of people defending Nickelback is a clip of Lizzo, someone who everyone has turned against as well.
What did she do? I feel like I dipped hard on what's going on with pop music since 2017.
@@leowilliamson1573whole lotta sexual misconduct. Like, “forced-her-backup-dancers-to-eat-bananas-out-of-stripper’s-vaginas” bad.
@@leowilliamson1573 She was revealed to be abusive to her staff recently.
Oh, that sucks
@@leowilliamson1573Plus she was body shaming them, which is something Lizzo claims to hate
What killed rock radio was the Telecom Act of 1996 which gave Clear Channel (now iHeartRadio) a monopoly on the airwaves.
I’m convinced that iHeartRadio is the raid shadow legends of streaming apps. Nobody likes them and I don’t know anybody who genuinely uses it, but they’ve got so much of an advertising push behind them that you’d think they’re the most important thing to happen to radio since War Of The Worlds.
@@SirLightsOut99 In a way I guess they are, just not in a positive way
Yep. Same playlist alllllllllll over America.. It’s disgusting.
This is 100% truth.
@@SirLightsOut99This is a fucking brilliant comparison
“ARE YOU READY TO NICKELBACK AGAINST THE MACHINE EVERYONE!!!” on 10:22 always make my day
Nickelblack Lives Matter
That was awesome 😂
6:16 the tall guy next to Chad who Todd tagged as a probable member of Loverboy is actually the lead singer of Marianas Trench, Josh Ramsay.
This is the guy who produced and co-wrote Call Me Maybe with Carly, and co-wrote She Keeps Me Up, which wasn't neccesarily supposed to be about a woman, but a metaphor for a drug addiction.
They're all under the record label Chad co-founded in Canada, so it's no surprise to me that there would be many collabs among them.
Other examples over the years:
- Josh featuring on a version of an early CRJ song called Sour Candy
- Josh producing the song Guitar String/Wedding Ring for CRJ's Kiss
- Chad featuring on Josh's solo record track Lady Mine
Mariana’s Trench was absolute FIRE in the 2000s. Masterpiece Theatre not being as well known as CRJ boggles my mind.
@@codyssmith73 Josh and CRJ were also both on A 604 Records Christmas, my favourite Christmas album
"Nickelback is no fun"
That, right there, sums up my feelings about why rock radio entered into such precipitous decline. I listened to a lot of rock radio in the 2000s, and almost none of it was fun. Chevelle - Soil - Nonpoint - Dark New Day - Breaking Benjamin - Crossfade - just an endless cavalcade of dour, stonefaced songs that had as much emotion as a paper bag. It felt like a miracle when I discovered European metal in around 2004 or so, because it seemed like all the bands I discovered actually remembered that music should make you feel something when listening. Nickelback may not have killed rock, but by god are they a perfect embodiment of the spirit of its murderer.
I mean, there is a time where someone wants to listen to a sadder or emotional song. That’s why Chevelle and Breaking Benjamin still have a large fan base.
But to play it constantly on the radio? Yeah, that can get a lot of people annoyed fast
Yeah at a point you realize listening to staind makes you hate life. I was saved by the strokes, music I didn't even know I was looking for. Took it back down to the basics. Imo
I feel like Nickelback were sorta caught in the middle because they weren't fun but they weren't like, ANGRY either, at least not in a way they leaned into.
Keep Chevelle out of this, they're a great band, and they actually make the music they want, unlike the other cashgrabs.
Chevelle has some fun songs. Granted, most of those were in the 2010s, but still.
Their three songs consisting of "How You Remind Me", "Someday" and "Faraway" was everywhere in Canada. I even have some of the lyrics memorized and haven't heard them in years. That's how ingrained Nickelback is, over here.
I think they were bound to fail, eventually due to their lack of....versatility. They are basically the Canadian version of Maroon 5. Soulless.
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Todd, I hope you know what you’ve done. I hadn’t even heard of She Keeps Me Up prior to this video and I genuinely haven’t been able to get it out of my head since watching. It’s a genuine earworm and I’ve already streamed it more times that I care to admit. Please send help.
I sent my parents who grew up in the 70s your Trainwrecks of The Carpenters "Passage" and the utter disbelief that that they felt from that video is the one I'm feeling from this one-holy fuck
Trainwreckords has been a great compliment to your output, Todd, it balances really well with the reviews and One Hit Wonderland and I think they all lift each other and show different aspects of your work. Good one.
The Maroon 5 mention while talking about “She Keeps Me Up” really connects with me because it sounds to my ears like the result of Chad Kroeger making a karmic-backfiring pact for continued relevance with a minor demon who took the shape of Adam Levine.
A weird thing about Nickelback is that some of their songs go incredibly hard. "Million miles an hour" is clearest example for that, but even earlier in their career there were similar songs. They clearly enjoy making these, and since they were incredibly successful in the past, they could just live on making their passion projects.
Nickelback ragequitting is still one of the greatest moments in rock history.
In fairness, screw that crowd. Death Grips had stuff like this happen recently and also quit the show. It's not on the act for ruining it for the paying customers, it's on the idiot/s assaulting them with garbage.
@@Joe90h I don't have a problem with crowds booing performers on stage if they don't like what they hear or the person but throwing things at people like rocks and water bottles is barberic behavior that shouldn't be done or encouraged.
I agree, I've had that same conversation with my friend that I jam with a lot (we play in the same band and he's also our drummer) and he always brings up a good point in that if you go to a show specifically to just heckle an artist and not for the music then why are you just wasting time (not just yours but everyone else's who probably _want_ to be there) and money. It's still undoubtedly a hilarious moment and I still love that clip but there's always that one idiot that'll ruin the experience for others just because they don't like that specific artist
Axl Rose ragequitting might be THE greatest moment in Rock history.
They literally threw a rock at his head. I would have probably done the same thing just for safety.
6:16 The Loverboy next to Chad is actually Josh Ramsay, lead singer of the excellent band Marianas Trench. He has songwriting credits on this album’s “She Keeps Me Up” and Carly Rae’s “Call Me Maybe”
I keep thinking that Todd would probably like Marianas Trench a lot. Except they’ve never really had chart success in the US, so I don’t know if Todd’s ever listened to them on his own, but he hasn’t had to for the channel.
@@ClearAsCrystal823 Todd would know them if he spent any time in a bowling alley from 2008-2011, lmao. I worked at a Brunswick Zone during that time and I swear I heard five Marianas Trench songs three times a day, every day, for years on end. And just like you said, they completely evaporated once I left the building. I have no idea why that phenomenon happened, but every American I asked who wasn't a bowler had never heard of them.
The only song I'm really familiar with from Marianas Trench is Pop 101. Todd would love that
The entire Ever After album from 2011 is one of my favourite projects of all time. It's creative, well-produced, smart, and full of bangers@@judgesaturn507
Came here to say this. Josh Ramsay is one of my favorite songwriters.
i grew up on so much "divorced dad rock" that nickelback will always have a special place in my heart. i know its all mostly bad music, but i love all of it from "Curb" to "Lets get rollin"
I hear ya. And I mean, devil's advocate here but those first 3 albums prior to Silver Side up are all solid, if occasionally boilerplate post-grunge. 'Leader Of Men' is still a jam.
“Divorced Dad rock” is the best description. My dad listened to loads of Nickleback & he’s the most divorced guy I know
@Electrolux219 my exposure to Nickleback was during my car rides to and from my fathers house every other weekend then eventually just the one weekend a month, so I hear you
There should be a compilation of interview clips from the "trainwreckords" series
*Chad Kroeger* : (as he blankly stares into the abyss) "Getting kinda funkeeeee....."
*Mike Love* : (sounding obnoxiously smug) "Life in prison as ladies man!"
*Katy Perry* : (in a tone that makes her sound bitter and resentful) "......some of that Katy Perry fluffy stuff that you love so much!"
*Robin Thicke* : (also sounding obnoxiously smug, and fresh off the back of his ugly breakup with Paula Patton) "I'd love to thank my wife for putting up with me for all these years"
*Stephen Stills* : (Sounding arrogant and defensive) "I like to drink wine and expensive scotch, and that's the end of that"
*Lauryn Hill* : (Sounding insecure and pissed off at the audience) "Y'all getting paid to clap like that?!"
*Joe Strummer* : (Sounding pissed off and preachy) "Anyone who takes a drug is a hippie, and hippies can shove off!"
*Darius Rucker* : (In Todd's "hunger dunger dang" singing voice) "People hate us because we don't sing about how much we hate our parents!"
*Gregg Allman* : (In his magazine interview talking about Cher) "I'm sorry, but she's not a very good singer"
*Brian Wilson* : (sounding completely dead and devoid of joy) "No, I don't like Mike Love at all."
*Joanne Catherall* : (sounding intentionally oblivious and airheaded) "They really confused us at first by saying things like 'Hey man, that record's kicking,' and we were going... *Whaaaat?"*
*Liz Phair* : (sounding like she's bullshitting everything all the way through) "It's... kind of Rock Pop Folk Feminism... Rap."
I read somewhere once that Chad spent a whole summer analyzing the hits of the time and figured out the ultimate formula Nickleback would go on to use in their songwriting. Idk if thats true, but hearing how expertly theyve emulated the Imagine Dragons sound had my jaw on the floor because im like.. Hes been back in the lab clearly lol
I can't get over that he co-wrote an entire Avril Lavigne album. He also wrote for Tim McGraw and Timbaland.
It's a crime that the internet spent decades of hate in Nickelback instead of saving it for Imagine Dragons
We hate them just as much. But we were exhausted from Nickelback and their knockoffs like hinder.
Didn't Imagine Dragons pretty much replaced Nickleback in the "most hated band in the world" category? The time Imagine Dragons started to get popular was pretty much the same as when Nickleback started to disappear from the public eye, so you can see it as a passing of the torch of sorts.
I coulda sworn years ago everyone loved them for "It's Time". I started to dislike them as I got older sure, but were they really always hated?
@@okagron And now it looks like Imagine Dragons is passing the "most hated band in the world" title to AJR.
Honestly, as much as bad as Nickelback was, they at least sounded like Rock music. Imagine Dragons sounds like Rock music for Gen Z'ers who think Rock music sucks. I just wish Gen Z would have tried to reclaim Rock music for the marginalized instead of letting it waste away. But that's just my opinion.
Joel trying to sing Nickelback's Photograph but breaking down into laughter within the song's first seconds every time he tries to is still one of the funniest things I've ever seen on the internet.
"How can I hate Nickelback when they bring me so much joy?" -Vargskelethor Joel
“SKOODILY D-*wheeeze*”
The funni swedish vidya game man being mentioned in a TITS video comment section? Colour me pleasantly surprised.
"Do you BELIEEEEEBBBB- PFFFT AHAHA"
- Joel
that chad kroeger "DLUHH AUHHH YEEEAH" cutaway never fails to make me laugh. absolutely overstimulating
As a joke, I would sometimes sing the chorus of She Keeps Me Up, and everyone thought I was making it up on the spot. No one believed me when I said it was Nickleback song. I’m devastated it wasn’t a bigger joke at the time
I don’t know if I’m the only one who thinks this, but the beat to that song reminds me too much of Rock DJ by Robbie Williams.
@@Brotherofthe4thCompanythat song is SUCH a banger
It sounds like if Maroon 5 recorded a song written for Dua Lipa
I was 8 years old when nickleback was going through its “photograph” era. My Dad (who listens to a lot of 90’s rock) HATED the album but my Mom (who listened to alot of pop LOVED it.) it was a crazy time and I kinda miss those days
Part of me thinks Todd made this video so he could, even for just a few minutes, talk about the song Kroeger and Carly Rae Jepsen wrote together so that more people know about it and can ask them to release it. Honestly, I’d do the same
It took me until about 4:35 to realize those two lead singers are the same person with different haircuts