TRAINWRECKORDS: "Summer in Paradise" by The Beach Boys
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- The Beach Boys' endless summer had an ending after all, when they tried to capitalize on "Kokomo" and instead brought their comeback to a crashing halt. (Support Todd on Patreon! / toddintheshadows )
I’m pickin’ up bad vibrations
Best lower your expectations
Brilliant
ooo! good one!
😆😂👍
Burn!
Golden tier comment
...I don't like Mike Love at all.
I admit to that.
Life in prison as a man who doesn't like Mike Love.
@Concepting Who?
Mike is a RWNJ (right wing nut job) unfortunately...
@@johnIZaUWL Protip. If you have to preemptively explain your acronym (IE, you just pulled it out of your ass), don't use it.
ok then
What does "life in prison as a ladies' man" even mean?
The lyric "Why don't you let me take you on a love vacation?" feels like he's making a terrible pun off of his last name and I firmly believe he should be banished to the Shadow Realm because of it
Kaitlin Dedman he is constantly punning on his surname. Ironic name given how hateful he is.
there are so many better puns that could be used with "wilson"
I just got that and now I want to die
Kaitlin Dedman don’t forget his first solo album “Looking back with Love”. It is 100% a last name pun
@@raizoofthemist He also has an unreleased solo album called Mike Love Not War
Just here to say: Brian Wilson is still a genius, no matter how hard Mike tried to torpedo his legacy.
Haha; torpedo, beach boys, got it! 🤣
Mike Love is basically if every boomer stereotype was a real person
Tori H That’s the weirdest thing about that generation compared to the one before it: they have more hangups about sex than race.
Mike Love isn't a boomer.
@@IamThePedestrian Ok Mike
@Happy Blobfish Productions Ok Mike
@@Lazy_eye_blobFish I don't mind when people get political as long as they are intelligent. I have a problem with todd because whenever he gets political he is either overhyping the problems in society as if we are in the actual apocalypse or something, which is just a very naive thing to do, or he is getting really uncomfortable over social justice topics and defaulting to someone else for authority, which just isn't very insightful or fun to watch.
8:26 My God. You can see Brian for only a second there, but he's got a Vietnam-level thousand-yard stare.
*sad hand clap*
It's so tragic it's almost funny.
He had to muster up the courage to clap. That’s absolutely wonderful.
"Stamos years"
He said that and I was somehow still shocked when I saw him in the Forever video.
Me too, I just found it funny that his version sounds like it's from the full house ost
Same here. I saw him playing the drums in the background, and I was like, "is this going where I think it's going?" And, it was. When he showed up in the Forever video, I immediately remembered that episode of full house... and I regretted it, every word I heard, and the very thought of uncle jesse, singing a power ballad, that was, at best, a karaoke version of an already good song, that I'd rather have been listening to, even though it came out decades before I was born. It did make for a hilarious reaction from Todd though, so there's that, dude/lady.
@@shawnfields2369 I hadn't noticed him on the drums, and thought Todd had just meant "Stamos Years" as a synonym for the late 80's / early 90's, so when the clip from Forever started playing I was like "... is that John Stamos?"
@@DStecks Yeah, I know, right? By stamos years, I also thought it was a synonym for the late 80's/early 90's too, dude. And although I grew up watching Full House, reruns, because I wasn't born when Full House was new on tv, I was born in 1993, specifically, September 15th, 1993. So I just saw the reruns. I thought it was pretty good back then, but I don't remember it fondly now. I've said this before, but stamos is also a preppy douche, and also a mike love in-training. They're both unlikable, and maybe stamos has also, never not been a douche, but I'm not too sure on that. I've heard stamos is a creep, like mike love. Creeping on women, and even told someone who wanted an autograph from him, that he only gives out autographs to "pretty women", or something. Not sure if it's true. But, you never know. He may also be a racist too, I don't know... just a vibe I get from looking at Stamos's face. Like he probably hates anyone who's not a pretty and white lady. When I saw stamos performing "Forever", with the Beach Boys, I also didn't expect him to be an actual "member" of the band. But, he's basically nothing more than a mascot, and a touring member, but, like Todd said; "he's barely even a Beach Boy". He's still nothing though. And as for "Forever", just listen to the Dennis Wilson original version. Ignore Stamos's stupid bryan adams power ballad cover version, or the shitty rap cover he did on Full House. Sure, stamos doesn't sound that bad on the karaoke cover of the song, but he still sounds like a douche, despite being accompanied by actual members of the band; and playing the guitar ok, Stamos is still kind of a douche. But yeah, even at it's best, the cover of "Forever", is just that, a shit karaoke cover version of a classic song. And that's all it'll ever be, at best. At worst, it's just stamos stroking his ego, trying to be something he's not, a rock star. Sorry for the long message, I'll end it here by again saying, just listen to the Dennis Wilson version of "Forever". There's no reason not to, just like there's no reason to listen to stamos's karaoke version of it. It's garbage, and the rest of the album's garbage.
I have watched this video so many times, but the moment "Forever" with John Stamos starts I always physically cringe. NOTHING prepares you for that
Adding John Stamos is sadly fitting, since Mike Love wanted to go back to the time of predictability, the milkman, the paperboy & evening TV.
Is that what full house is about?
@@Demiglitch those are the words to the theme song.
@@JennaLeigh Yeah, but you could still say that's what the show's about, though. And, aren't there more lyrics? I mean, the theme song is alright. Nothing special, just ok.
Everywhere you look
@@Shadamyfan-rs8xc True, it is everywhere you look. Everywhere you look.
So, I didn't find out about this until well after first watching this video, but I think the fact that he supported Tipper Gore should be more prevalent. John Denver was called to speak before the Senate during that fiasco, and he compared it to the Nazis burning literature that they disagreed with.
Let that sink in. John fucking Denver was more rock n roll than Mike Love when music needed somebody the most. Zappa and Dee Snyder spoke against it as well, but I don't imagine that was as shocking as the guy who wrote "Annie's Song".
John Denver is a fucking legend.
Yeah, he practically took a chainsaw to Tipper's argument.
And Denver's songwriting and voice remained strong throughout his life.
Wow that’s insane
Dee Snider of Twisted Sister managed to get an angry look from Mr, Boring Future VP Al Gore himself during his testimony.
During his questioning gore asked snider about the name of the band's fanclub which annoyed snider before gore brought up the lead single of their album Under The Blade and asked snider to explain to him how a song about sado masochistic sex could be appropriate for children.
Snider got really annoyed and explained that the song was about their guitarist fearing being sedated for a throat operation and then accused tipper of "having a dirty mind" to al's face which resulted in al gore trying to intimidate him with a "death stare" before someone else stepped in and asked another stupid question.
This is why I always had mad respect for John Denver. His music may be considered soft rock, he worked with The Muppets AND George Burns in the 70s, but he was a badass telling Tipper Gore and her fellow Stepford Wives that a stupid warning label is censorship.
R.I.P. John Denver
Who’s going to tell aging rock stars that nobody thinks it’s cute when they make music videos about hitting on women young enough to be their granddaughters...
You? Me? Todd? The whole world?
Yet they always find a taker.
The scene when he trash talks Mick Jagger...Mick is too busy bangin' Brazilian supermodels to car about the BBs.
Liv Tyler has a son who is the same age now as his mom was when she did the "Crazy" video.
@@NJGuy1973 Alright, fair enough, plus "Crazy" was a great song. And Alicia Silverstone was in the video too, right? Good song. Forgotten 90's song. Thanks for the reminder, dude.
Oh, they’ve been told as much for years. They’re just too wealthy, and have too little shame to care.
Wow, this is on the level of "Cut the Crap".
The mixing isn't anywhere near as bad as cut the crap. I actually got a headache when he played that first track.
It’s a worse album
More like cut. It. Out.
Aquatarkus At least the live version of that song (Dictator) sounded good. Bernie Rhodes practically destroyed what could've been the OTHER good song in that album.
Penny Lefcowitz Well, It sounds a little more coherent, but it’s embarrassing music from The Beach Boys.
I can’t think of another band who were able to reach such transcendent highs and insufferable lows
tannerin What about Weezer?
Green Day?
@@kylehegedus5498 I don't think Weezer, for all of their pitfalls, ever sank this low.
@supernintendo64 Fair enough. Maybe I was being too hard on them.
From an Artist Standpoint...Eminem.
This album helps convey why some people really hate gated reverb drums
This sounds like a carnival filled with robots being drowned to the tune of your weird older neighbor who watches out of his window with binoculars as younger woman walk past in summer.
It sounds like the generic soundtrack to a waterpark, with songs that never in a million years would you think would be recorded or released by the band that did "God Only Knows".
This album sounds like The Beach Boys trying to catch up with the times and make an album that sounded totally 80s...
....three years after the 80s ended
You could say it's the Bowsette of albums.
not even, they jumped into the deep end of the pool and tried to make the Surfer Rock version of 90s sex jams.
A bit more like a year after the 80s ended. 1990 was still pretty 80s-flavored and shit didn't really start changing till Smells Like Teen Spirit hit in 91. Still, horribly behind the times, but a little less so.
Just wanna say, everyone go watch the film Love and Mercy. It's probably the best musician biopic ever. It's really sad at times, it shows all the abuse Brian was getting from his sociopath therapist who tricked Brian into signing over his freedom to him. It's also really bright and happy at times too. It's just a great film regardless of whether you like the beach boys or not (I don't know how you can dislike them, but I'm sure some people out there do)
YES! Thank you! 🤩
duffman18
Paul Dano did a phenomenal job portraying the young Brian Wilson.
@@cremetangerine82 yes his performance was amazing. The movie made me cry.
I saw that in theaters. Terrific movie
It made me despise Mike Love with all my heart for including him in that horrible Summer of Love travesty
Being in my teens in the later 1980s something I remember about the love for the 1960s music was how it clashed with the "Just Say No" message of the 80s. My own parents felt the 60s had the best music ever but tried to sanitize the drug aspect. It's hilarious in retrospect.
Yeah, the Boomers by and large sold out the hippie sensibilities of their youth by the end of the '70s, and then put on a suit and tie and voted for Reagan -- basically becoming the very thing they used to rail against... which leads us into the predicament we're in today.
@@ComeOnIsSuchAJoy I think the fact there is a stereotype of the time of people only getting into the hippie movement for grass and ass and not giving a fuck about the actual peace and love element of it should've tipped us off to the fact most of the "hippies" were hippie cosplayers.
Album is called "summer in paradise."
Was released in August.
Nice.
Probably another reason why it didn’t do well. Poor marketing.
@@lukegibson9209 Sure, let's go with that. XD
@@gabe_s_videos like obviously it was going to flop but plenty of dogshit albums have done well with good marketing.
To be fair, summer doesn't officially end until mid September.
I love that the music video for Forever they use babies who are clearly upset at being in the shoot. The part with John holding a crying baby will never not make me cackle!
Lmao they couldn't have waited until the babies had their nap or been burped. Or not had the babies in it at all if they're visibly uncomfortable being held by John Stamos. Which honestly speaks for us all lol x
It never occurred to me as a kid how weird it was that The Beach Boys were so heavily referenced in Full House
As a teenager, I was one of the biggest Beach Boys fanatics in the universe; had all the albums, (yes, including this one), knew every lyric to every song, went to their concerts religiously, knew all kinds of crazy facts and trivia about them and the music. If I'd seen this video back then, I would've been appalled at someone ripping any of their albums like this- even this one. Now in my 20's and not all fangirly over them, I can look at this from a more neutral point of view. Long story short, I came here to say that I'm *pretty* shocked that someone (especially someone a little younger) knows about, and is acknowledging this album in this present day!! (Even if negatively.) Cuz I was pretty sure no one, even most diehard Beach Boys fans, even knew about this album. I'm impressed..
Do you have all their singles as well?
Tod: Nostalgia is 20 years old
Stranger things: excuse me
We're creeping on 40-year-old nostalgia at this point since the 80's nostalgia trend is still going strong.
Nicholas Matricciano oh god make it stop.
stranger things' nostalgia in the creation of some guys who never lived in the 80's. a bit different from 50 years old men pretending to be as seductive as they used to be 30 years ago^^
@Look-alike that’s a funny way of spelling fortunately
@Orange Circle I've said it before but I'll say it again - a lot of crap came out of the 80s but there was a helluva lot of good stuff too
You know, no one really talks about how good the acting was for the baywatch girls. I mean, it must’ve taken a lot of effort to pretend to actually enjoy Mike Love rapping
I had no idea Kokomo was an 80s hit. I had two volumes of The Beach Boys Greatest Hits on CD when I was a kid and Kokomo was on both of them, so I just assumed it was written at their peak popularity like the rest of their hits.
C'mon, you can at least notice a production difference
Tiernan Flaherty dude I was like 8 when I had those CDs, I couldn’t tell the difference. And by the time I could, those CDs were long gone and I didn’t care anymore.
"too chicken shit to get on stage with the beach boys" hahahaha the least intimidating prospect I've ever heard
"Mike Love - History's greatest monster."
I thought that was Peter Cetera (looking back at previous videos).
Peter at least left his band when his ego got to too massive rather than forcing other members out. : P
Adding John Stamos was a BAD IDEA.
Todd: *plays the songs*
Me: Well, it's not good, but I'm not having a violently negative reaction either, I just feel sort of...
Todd: None of those knockoff Kokomos are good enough to hate.
Me: Oh, yep, that's it exactly.
Honestly, I think I prefer "Strange Things Happen" to "Kokomo" -- especially the Al Jardine-remixed version.
Honestly, I think I prefer "Strange Things Happen" to "Kokomo" -- especially the Al Jardine-remixed version.
3:26 That quote at the end of the first paragraph, though: "For those who believe that Brian walks on water, I will always be the antichrist." I mean... He ain't lying there. I'll give him that. Lol.
“Life in prison as ladies man” should be your “I’m losing to a bird!”
With Genesis returning later this year how about doing a Trainwreckords on Calling All Stations?
At least if you hated Phil Collin's Genesis there would be one track on one of the album's you would like however Calling All Station's has nothing
@@fizzpeak123 One Man's Fool, Alien Afternoon and The Dividing Line.
Calling All Stations is a very interesting case. I'm a nut for 70's Genesis, and a huge fan of their post-Hackett phase, and I knew for a long time about that album's infamy, and how it was hated and despised by many. My personal impression of the album is that it's... just lame. A very, very lame record. It's not horrible (certainly not "Summer in Paradise horrible"), it's just impossibly weak. I'd say the only true embarrassments are the power ballads and Congo, but other than that, the whole album is just background mush.
@@FernieCanto yeah like I can see why Todd won't do an episode on it because there's nothing to say. It's milquetoast yeah but it's a throwaway album. It's like ending your TV Show on a filler episode.
@@fizzpeak123 and I love In Too Deep because of its association to American Psycho.
Every now and then Vinesauce Vinny recommends this video to his chat as a quick explainer on why Mike Love sucks and it always tickles me as someone who watches both him and Todd.
"I'm kidding: Mike Love doesn't drink."
I cackled, not gonna lie. 💀
Carl was the creative leader in the studio, Mike was the showman on stage. That being said, they really missed Brian.
Brian really was the heart and soul of the band
For any fans of Brian Wilson the movie Love and Mercy does a great job of showing his stardom and the beginnings of his mental health crisis in the 60s as well as he and his second wife's struggle getting his life back in the 80s. Definitely worth a watch, even if you usually don't like movies about the music world
Me: *sees start of video* Todd, you'd better not-
Todd: I cannot hate "Kokomo."
Me: *PHEW!*
TheHeroOfTomorrow I really like that song. It’s just nice to listen to
Patrick Lauer Agreed, it’s cheesy, but in a good way. And while I like some of The Beach Boys classics... hearing about what happened behind the scenes is kind of a downer...
I can hate it. That's not true. I don't hate it. I just don't understand why people like it.
It’s a childhood thing for me. I remember the Muppets music video for that song.
@@kylehegedus5498 The Muppets were my introduction to it too lol
I have never heard an album more needing of Viagra in my life! The drums come in all like Tom Cruise in "Risky Business" sliding on the floor and the vocals are Eeyore having an existential crisis!
So it's kind of the Ready Player One of records.
No Muse-Simulation Theroy is.
Yeah cept Ready Player One was actually successful.
@@daniverse9625 Still trash.
@@daniverse9625 Was it tho? I mean obviously it did well in theaters and got decent scores (like around 70%) but who is going to talk about Ready Player One in ten years? Like, people still talk about Jurassic Park, the original one, even now. I doubt anyone will be mentioning Ready Player one after the same time has passed.
This album sounds like what a music historian 100 years from now would reconstruct based on Chris Fleming’s Jimmy Buffet rant.
>”same dead vocals”
> cuts to a shot of Carl Wilson
Ooof
Unfortunately, Carl had started to side with Mike more than Brian over the last 8-10 years of his life. : / Only Dennis was always in Brian's corner... and now Al for the last 20 years or so.
Brian's face at 8:08 is exactly how I feel about the album
The only thing I can describe this album as is "Jeffrey Epstein music"
It’s easy to view all of history as being simultaneous (when you weren’t there or were too young to remember,) but a 60s band putting out a new album in the 90s would be like MC Hammer putting out a new album today.
I'd totally be fine with some new Hammer, just to see what it would be like.
Me: "Oh, this video is back in my recs after several years. Wonder where I left off last time I watched it?"
Todd: "GIANT GAPING ASSHOLE."
I was at a low-key party in the late 1980s in the hills around the San Fernando valley that Mike Love and a bunch of other music and TV/movie industry celebs attended and he was a genuine know-it-all, loudmouth, jackass. There were several others there wanting to take him outside. Lol
@@ScorpionViper1001 Seriously, that was such an odd and awkward moment. I was watching it in a RUclips video years after the fact and I was uncomfortable; imagine being in the crowd, just trying to have a good time, as Mike Love starts spitting clearly genuine venom at Mick Jagger for no seeming reason. A mood-killer if there ever was one.
No wonder he likes Trump so much
“Nostalgia is for two decades ago, not THREE”
I don’t know if Todd knows how much he nailed this even as far forward as 2024, but this line’s gonna stick with me a while.
Yeah, this makes me worried about that upcoming Disney+ documentary about The Beach Boys and the amount of involvement Mike Love will have.
That new material they made later was an album called _That’s Why God Made the Radio_ , which had Brian Wilson back on the band and serving as producer. It got much better reviews than this thing; Mike Love said he was disappointed with its direction and that he had been kept out of much of the songwriting process by some third party
I'm not at all a huge beach boys fan, but I liked that album.
That third party? A just and loving deity.
Supposedly it was Brian's wife, Melinda. She and Love never saw eye to eye. The album still has a Mike Love song on it, still sounding like another variant of My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean as seems to be his schtick.
“…life in prison as a ladies man!” = the reason sexual harassment seminars exist
Thanks to your video, I found the song “Forever” . I had no idea this sing existed.
Thanks for this.
Your breakdown on the cover of "Forever" from this album is one of my favorite moments from this channel.
I remember watching that episode of Full House where they had that music video for Forever. I just assumed that John Stamos was starting a music career at the time and was using the show to help promote it. I didn't even know that it was originally a Beach Boys song. The explanation as to why he was in the band was both interesting and hilariously, particularly because of how your anger towards Stamos was slowly building up to it throughout the episode.
I am fully convinced that every time Mike sings about love, he's not singing about the emotion or the experience of love, but about himself, Mike Love, in third person.
To be fair, Summer Love does have a good environmental message about recycling, since they're basically recycling their own songs.
Troodon HA good one
Todd, it's obvious they would start referring to other songs in their environmental song: they had to send a message about the wonders of recycling.
If only the song those songs were tossed into wasn't a trash bin...
J. Baum Yeah, realistically it should’ve been sealed in a biohazard barrel. Ick, just the clips on the review make me feel slimey
baaaam! you hit a three!
BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRn
No wonder why Mother Earth is hurting because of Mike Love.
Mike Love sued Brian Wilson for co-writing credit on “Wouldn’t It Be Nice” because he ad-libbed ‘goodnight, baby, sleep tight, baby’ during the fade out... and won. Mike Love is garbage.
Ben K. Wow, that’s bullshit right there
Yeah he took things too far. Initially he had a valid case, as there were some songs he deserved writing credits on, like California Girls. But then his desire for recognition got to him, and he went for a load more that he didnt do much on.
And that's always been Mike's biggest problem: he's always demanded more credit for the band's success than he actually deserves; always wanting to be shoulder to shoulder with Brian even though he clearly isn't worthy to doing so.
ComeOnIsSuchAJoy id say so. Unlike some BB fans, i will give credit to Mike Love where its due. He gets a little too much hate and did genuinely cowrite some great songs, his contribution to Good Vibrations i especially like. But he overrates himself.
@@ComeOnIsSuchAJoy It's kind of weird in hindsight because Mike Love really loathed Brian's 'Pet Sounds' and 'Smile' material (which is just a more oblique way to say "Our fans are idiots. We're not gonna let these crumpet suckers steal our thunder. Who's this Jimi Hendrix fella?", at least until those songs turned to profit. Now that's some peak "Capitalism or die" shit right there.
Oh, and love the "Everybody's Got Something to Hide (Except Me and My Monkey)" reference for your avatar.
I dont blame john stamos. If I was rich and famous I would try really hard to weasel my way into the foo fighters
happyMOO5 and I would do the same to daft punk!
Same but w/ Green Day
Same but with Fall out boy
same but with fuck i dont wanna ruin anything
Same but with Say Anything
This is one of Todd's absolute best for just how savage it is; "that band's story also includes Brian's abusive father Murray, Brian's abusive psychiatrist Dr. Landy, and Charles fucking Manson, yet somehow Mike Love towers above them all" always kills me.
Yeah, that line will probably outlive Todd. It certainly killed me.
And that man is called Love, what an irony of destiny.
Especially when you look into their studio sessions for the album smile that eventually got partially scrapped because mike was berrating brian over being a 'hippie' and thinking that evolving as a musician is pointless because 'money'.
Them scrapping smile is literally what caused brian to go into his depressed and bedridden state of self doubt etc up until the late 90s when he finally made a fully realised version of what he wanted to make in the 60s. for 40 years brian resented himself because of mike love...
@@willowsparks4576 especially since poor Brian was easily impressionable, and he eventually couldn’t stand Mike’s pestering anymore.
And that seems wrong. Mike Love is undoubtedly an asshole and a douche, but he is far less of a villain than any of those three men.
This album sounds like the soundtrack to the world's most depressing resort.
Please take all my likes.
It's the kind of music I was worried they would play at the Vegas resort my family stayed at last summer. Turns out they actually blasted stuff like the Smiths and Stevie Wonder. Pleasant surprise.
The music for a resort where the shrimp gives you the poops!
Too me it sounds like a half finished collection of production demos that managed to escape into the wild.
This album sounds tailor-made for a dentist's office.
Throughout this video John Stamos kept popping up like a cut out of a villan on a Disney ride and it genuinely unnerved me until Todd finally explained it. Then it just made me sick
I don't blame you, dude/lady. Stamos is a preppy douche, like his idol, mike love. He's a "Mike Love In-Training". He also ruined one of the best songs of all time, (even though the original came out decades before I was born), (I was born in 1993), but it's still a great song, and seeing stamos using it to gain 15 minutes of fame, by stepping over poor Dennis Wilson's legacy, by turning "Forever", into a shitty karaoke version of itself, and a bad rap cover on Full House, a sitcom which I didn't think was any good in the first place. If you told me stamos was as genuinely creepy as mike love, I'd believe you. He wasn't happy enough, being close friends with mike, but to see him ruining a classic song like "Forever", makes me genuinely sick too, dude/lady. I'm sure stamos also makes everyone sick, and I'm willing to bet, he's also more than likely, also as unlikable as mike too. Someone tell john stamoa to go to hell.
A more apt comparison would be "popping up like an animatronic on Superstar Limo". He's fucking loathsome.
Congrats on the heart.
@@onthefaultline Okay, I genuinely did not know Stamos is so hated. What'd he do?
fun fact: the song “cold hearted” by paula abdul is about john stamos, which should let you know what kind of man he is.
Selling less than 1,000 copies in the 90's is an impressive feat. Studios literally recorded rain for an hour and went certified gold, multiple times. Mike Love got outsold over 100x per album by the fucking weather.
note to self i ever need quick cash then just go back to the 90s and record my god awful songs.
Name of this weather album? I want it
This cracked me up 😂😂😂
Yeah the 90s was the absolute peak before the internet cratered it. The commercial peak for the industry was in 1999 when something like $15 billion in CDs were sold according to Wikipedia which is crazy because that was pretty much the inflection point when Napster took off.
I mean I believe it. When I was a teenager I spent every dollar I had buying CDs every weekend. I'd buy an album just because I heard one song on MTV or even just liked the cover art.
@@bt3743 the problem is, you'd need someone dumb enough to produce it. There wasn't a lot of independent music sold in stores.
Fun fact: "Surfin" was actually written as an assignment for one of Brian Wilson's high school music classes. He was given a failing grade, because he was supposed to write a classical-style piano sonata. In 2018, as recognition of his contributions to popular music, his high school retroactively changed his grade to an A.
Bruh does it even matters at this point?
@@ratedr7845 its merely symbolic
@@DemRise1999 of what?
@@ratedr7845 of their recognition of brian wilson's musical skill. its an apology for dismissing it and a symbolic reparation between them
@@atlassolid5946 I highly doubt he even acknowledged this, just a big waste of time
"Nostalgia is for two decades ago, not three"
Tell that to the absurd amount of 80s nostalgia that was released in the 2010s
Synthwave FTW!
Quite a lot of 90s nostalgia too though to be fair
That's just 'cause the 80s are special.
Of course, as a child of 1981, I'm completely unbiased. Without question.
Yeah, nostalgia for three decades ago is also a thing, but it's more in movies and tv. Lindsay did an interesting video about stranger things, IT and 80's nostalgia.
With time feeling faster and faster by the information revolution, we started to get things from even before, as the 90s and 00s felt still too close
So Todd inspired me to rewatch a Beach Boys episode of Full House, which is the first time I've watched an episode of Full House since I was a kid. Brian Wilson looks as miserable as you might expect, probably because they play Kokomo three different times. Brian just pretends to look busy the first two times, but the last time they play it in front of a crowd, and he deadass talk-sings gibberish over the melody completely out of tune. Its just him saying shit like "key bla bla" to the melody of Kokomo, and they didn't edit it out. There's even a point where the rest of the band looks visibly thrown off. He's also wearing a shirt that says "California for Dukakis", an obvious middle finger to Mike Love. I hurt myself from laughing so hard. Long live the legend that is Brian Wilson
There's a fantastic video of Brian at the piano asking (I think) Al Jardine to pinch his nose, and then immediately launches into "WeLl, EaSt CoAsT gIrLs ArE hIp..." while the other guys laugh their asses off. He gives zero fucks and that's why he's a legend.
I like to think after Brian regained control of his legal affairs and mental health, he just became sarcastically done with everyone's shit. And really, when you're related to and have to work with Mike Love, wouldn't you just be done with everything too?
Brian Wilson shake goodnight
@@SuperJNG18 can you find the link to that?
qw000pz Just search “Mike Love sucks” and you’ll find that and all content related to his suckiness
Fun fact: The only member of the Beach Boys' original lineup who surfed was Dennis Wilson.
Yep. It was his idea for their first song to be about surfing.
Non-fun fact: Mike also surfed but gave it up in the 70's, whereas Bruce has been a surfer most of his life (although I should imagine he hasn't done it of late, what with being elderly an' all).
:-)
@@NOWtheband Bruce also wasn't a founding member of the band, though he was there by the Pet Sounds era.
@@printthelegends - Correct.
Oh no say it ain’t so brutha
Mike Love is that guy who thinks constantly talking to the Applebee's waitress's breasts counts as a compliment, and gets pissy when the manager tells him to leave.
😂😂😂😂😂
I could see all kinds of “hilarious” scenes of Mike Love being a gross, aging pervert.
Buying booze on behalf of underage girls, volunteering as a coach for girl’s sports, buying gigantic condoms to impress the cute cashier whose just trying to do her job, being banned from the local high school/college campus, randomly slapping waitresses on the ass after making a joke that definitely wasn’t funny.
All in good fun for your average preppy douche turned creepy old guy.
This comment is too much
@@CCAndPinkie
Every Shonen Anime ever
@@giantpinkcat not unless he defeats God with the power of creepy old man stink, a slap on the ass, and friendship
A year later, "Charles Manson had more creative input in the Beach Boys than John Stamos" remains the single most brutal truth I've ever heard.
And he was much more musically gifted. I mean, “Look at your game girl”, was covered by Guns N Roses
@@docvince1491 Whoa, seriously? I get that Manson was more of a songwriting drifter, and less of a singer, and John Stamos is more of a douche and a "Mike Love-In Training", but wow. Manson really had more creative input in the group than stamos? Sounds both brutal and hilarious. Hilarious because stamos got screwed over, and brutal, because of the person above your comment about it being brutal. But I'm down for anything that legit screws over john stamos, aka, Mike Love 2.0.
Check out "Never Learn Not to Love" by the Beach Boys, then check out "Cease to Exist" by Charles Manson.
Yep. The Beach Boys actually recorded a Manson song. (Manson permitted Dennis Wilson to take the songwriting credit for "Never Learn Not to Love"; mind, they still wound up in a punch-up over it.)
@@NewhamMatt A strange coincidence is that on the album Never Learn Not To Love You is on, 20/20, are also covers by Leadbelly (Cotton Fields) and Phil Spector(I Can Hear Music) who actually killed someone!
and one of the drummers on the album, Jim Gordon, was a murderer too@@sitvisjes
One of my aunts is a big Beach Boys fan and she told me once she listened to this album, she drove all the way to Key Biscayne Beach and tossed it out to the ocean shore. I can't make this up lol
HDX only reasonable course of action tbh
So she hates the planet?
Justin Coleman
Yeah. Come to think of it, that’s the worst kind of pollution
@@justincoleman3805 maybe listening to summer in paradise made her decide the earth isnt worth saving actually
Mike Love produced albums without Brian Wilson calling all the shots are not-canon, every Beach Boys fan knows this.
Being able to just casually name drop Charles Manson when talking about the beach boys is something that will never not astound me
It's not like he was a big part of the Beach Boys either. He was a drifter and wannabe songwriter who befriended Dennis and gave him a song he wrote for the band to record. The band took this song, titled Cease to Exist, paid Manson in cash and a motorcycle, heavily re-wrote it and added a bridge, called it Never Learn Not to Love, and released it as a B-side. Thing was, Dennis actually thought Manson had talent.
@@Anomaly188 Dennis had... some unique taste.
Oh man of you are into podcasts, check out You Must Remember This which had a series on Manson in Hollywood and it dives into Manson's connection with Dennis. It's a very wild series, but very good.
Craptastic13 I have “never learn not to love” on 7”. Okay song, wouldn’t be very memorable if not for the writer but a cool artifact
The Polanski home, where the Mason Family committed their infamous crime, was previously owned by Summer In Paradise co-writer / producer Terry Melcher. Apparently he threw Charlie out of one of his parties and Manson held a grudge. I don't know if he understood that Melcher had moved out before the murders or not.
John Stamos wearing Aladdin clothes and rapping a beach boys cover song on Full House is... something that exists.
The funny thing is that was meant to be intentionally bad, and yet I think the actual music video is way way worse.
because the 1990s
Yep the 90s at times were f**king weird. Then again this decade was big for pet rocks. Let that sink in.
@@seamusburke639 At least the rap was so tasteless and unrealistic that it loops around to being funny. The proper track is just . . . well, like Full House itself a slab of cheese trying too hard to be sincere.
Smells like the 90’s alright.
"Life in prison as a ladies man"
That sounds like something someone with no shame says after they're arrested for sexual assault.
It's the new R. Kelly album
I don't like Mike Love at all
He gave you 30 years of his career
@@fuziontonygaming Robert….
@@marckyle5895
😂 Oh god…
Is it sad that I think he’d actually try to record it while in prison?
“Why don’t you let me take you on a love vacation?” Can someone come get their grandpa please?
QUEENEmma Somebody call Jurassic park, there’s a dinosaur on the lose. Get a helicopter and tranquilizer gun, we need him out of here! Away from all these innocent girls...
nomobobby 😂😂😂😂
“Girls are always ready for a summer of LOVE” 🤢🤢🤢🤢
Time for your pills grandpa!
Daniel T 😂😂😂
It took until my fifth viewing before I realized that "Life in prison as a ladies' man" was Mike Love awkwardly trying to say "Yep, I love women, guilty as charged!" and not some sort of terrible prison sex joke.
"No, I don't like Mike Love. At all."
Lmao I didn't make a prison connection once.
I figured it was that, but some part of me also thought that it was him reacting to some criminal charge levied against him. If only...
His life in prison as a lady man
@@vincentdamienarneo369 Throatcut in C Block be like, "Yes, I like Mike Love a lot"
Trivia tidbit: The entirety of this album was produced with a beta version of Pro Tools, making this one of the earliest albums to be produced wholly on a computer, along with Billy Idol's Cyberpunk.
and both are Trainwreckords
Difference is, Cyberpunk has its fans, these days.
Foxrider Scorpion I agree
That first Pro-Tools must have been a trainwreckord powerhouse. What other shite did it churn out?🤔
@@ScorpionViper1001 Strip out the vocals, and Cyberpunk might make good background noise for a Shadowrun campaign. The same could also be said for the rest of Billy Idol's output, to be fair.
A moment of silence for any of Todd's brain cells that died while reading Mike Love's autobiography. Godspeed.
I could barely get through it; I basically flipped through the entire section where he breaks down his lawsuit against Brian, detail by painful detail. Ugh.
*All.
mike sucks, brain and al forever, rip carl and dennis
He didn’t even mention the part where Mike Love drops the n word in his autobiography lmao
@@Agos226
What?!?
"Charles Manson had more creative input on the band than Stamos" - ouch, Todd.
The best part is that it’s true
Honestly, yeah. He wrote a pretty decent psychedelic song for them called Never Learn Not To Love, from their 20/20 record. Dennis Wilson gave him $200,000 worth of stuff in exchange for the rights to the track, hoping to make it a hit, but the record label refused to issue it as a single. As a compromise they made it the b-side to their god awful cover of Bluebirds Over The Mountain.
@@mellowyellow6572 Welp wouldn’t say the cover was awful though they did take some liberties on that one, not the best song an that album tho tbh.
@@ayatollahkhamenei5014 Being not the best song on that album does not mean all of them are bad.
Do you find one of the songs on the 20/20 to be bad though?
@@mellowyellow6572 it was only called never learn not to love after the Wilson brothers worked their magic on it. Manson’s original was cease to exist
rerecording "Forever" was honestly kind of tasteless. that is Dennis's song, i dont just mean that he wrote it and sang it but i mean it is HIS song. Dennis was beloved by the fans and his young tragic death is heartbreaking. for his own band to rerecord the song without him just feels very wrong and distasteful.
I'm not a Beach Boys fan at all, and even I think it's gross to take a very personal song from a member who died and hand it over to the spoiled TV star who clearly wants to take his place in the band.
I love Dennis version and what I aw and heard today deeply offends me. It's like they slapped the crap out of Dennis' corpse
especially on this record
I think there are ways it could have been done tastefully. Carl could have done a really beautiful version (compare the Beach Boys' version of Dennis's "Only with You" with Dennis's solo version), and the fact it was sung by Dennis's brother after Dennis's death could have been both gorgeous and poignant if well produced.
This was not that.
I mean, if done right it COULD be a very touching and beautiful homage to a late comrade... But that's Mike Love we are talking about
"The quintessential sound of summer".
Overproduced, fake sounding instruments and lead vocals delivered by a man with the same level of charisma as a plank of wood.
Nailed it Mike.
Why did you insult planks of wood like that?
@@GodZefir Plank from "Ed, Edd n Eddy" (un)inronically has more charisma than Mike Love! 😆
@@thema1998 I'd buy a Plank album.
It sounds like being at the trashiest beach resort in the state of Florida
Nowadays that's true.
Examples: Calvin Harris, Alan Walker,
I didn’t need to know The Beach Boys became UB40 for a whole ass album.
ZanraiKid yeah...
@Lorenzo James ...yeah, I can't believe I'm saying this, but UB40 was never as cringe-inducing as some of the worst songs on this album (which is most of them).
I mean that seriously. I can't stand UB40 most of the time but I'd gladly listen to almost anything they've ever done over this.
Jimmy Buffett by way of UB40. The whole thing is a creepy old man making music that sounds like a glorified hairspray commercial.
@@littlekingtrashmouth9219 The thing about Jimmy Buffet is that he never did shitty covers, has always kept to that beach bum/old sailor image, and actually has a bit of charm and a bit of a cheesy tone that you can enjoy.
This is just painful.
UB40: cultural appropiation when it was still "fashionable".
This has "Jesus Christ is my N-" vibes all over it
kacper the trash boy
I love/hate you for reminding me of that.
Neighbor?
Caleb Dehart
Please tell me you’re joking
igga
Jesus is my ninja?
Recently I read a Rolling Stone interview with Mike Love from a few years ago. It doesn't really do anything to dispel the notion that his entire career was built around bitterness and jealousy towards Brian (even his wife thinks he's taken it too far), but there is one part that I found pretty interesting. Early on there's a paragraph or two talking about his life before the Beach Boys. He was 19, working at his dad's car dealership, and he just got his girlfriend pregnant. One particularly scathing comment pointed out out that if Mike Love never joined the Beach Boys, he probably would've had a pretty humble and decent life as a family man, and Brian Wilson would still be Brian Wilson.
Christ, what could have been.
Then, the lineup could've been Brian, Carl, Dennis, Al, David, and Bruce. What I would give to live in that timeline...
and with Blondie and Ricky as well in the early 70s. Blondie probably would've stayed too since Mike's brother Stan is the reason he left in the first place@@BrendanJSmith
That would have been so much better for everyone
There's an alternate timeline where Brian got the help he needed (without that bastard Landy) Smile was released, and both late Wilson brothers didn't pass away so soon, Mike dipped out for a meh solo career, and Al to got sing more on lead.
I want to live in that timeline lol
So I'm a major Beach Boys fan, I once spent a month listening to their back catalogue.and something I will tell you, more than the songwriting and even Brian's production, is that central to their success is their harmonizing. They had the most beautiful harmonies in the business.
And yet the seems to have the same problem that Van Halen 3 has: it's harmonies barely exist, or are just shit. How? How do you fuck that up?
But then you look at how defining lushly orchestrated harmonies were for Queen and realize that when they scrapped them for News of the World the result was anything but a trainwreckord by any measure. In fact it combines the lack of harmonies with CCRs method of trainwreckording in that it has more creative input from the bass player and the drummer and more lead vocals not sung by the usual lead vocalist.
@GunganSacredGrove How.. original.
The Beach Boys' harmonies are the closest humanity will ever get to the sound of a literal angelic choir.
Mike Love singing "seductively" gives me skin crawling demonic-born hives. I don't think I've ever felt more violated through a screen in my life.
Same here.
Reminds me of “Fantasy man”
the only thing seductive about Mike post the late 70s or so was his bank account.
Today I learned John Stamos was in the Beach Boys.
I don't know what to think about it either. I hadn't thought about that in years. Technically, Stamos and his character on Full House, Uncle Jesse, are both in the Beach Boys. And it doesn't add a thing to either of their careers, or do a thing for anybody. It's literally nothing.
Grady, what's up?
Shawn Fields When the results are so bad that they manage to completely nullify both Full House and The Beach Boys.
Let's go surfin' now
Everybody's learnin' how
Come on on the safari with me
Me too (6 months later)
Fun Fact: The bar scenes in Cocktail were all filmed at The Don Jail in Toronto Ontario.
The Don Jail was infamous for being the site of most of the executions of people convicted of murder in the toronto area which included a botched hanging in which the rope broke and the hangman had to climb down into the pit where he manually strangled the condemned to death with his bare hands and the last public execution in canadian history which occurred in 1898.
It was also the site of the last hangings in canada which happened in december of 1964 in which an armed robber who killed his victim and a serial killer were hanged back to back and one of them was partially decapitated during the execution.
Holy shit
Nice.
@Shaun Jay
You can actually find an interview with the last serving canadian hangman that was filmed in 1972 which also show the don jail gallows being tested.
The room itself was a converted shower room on the second floor while death row was immediately one floor beneath where the gallows and death watch cell were, the distance from the death watch cell too the center of the gallows was exactly 20 steps, condemned inmates called the last walk "taking 20 steps to god".
That’s lovely
Oh.
The real kicker was that this album was part of a planned multimedia franchise formed by Mike Love called Camp California. Meaning he wanted to push this shitty music onto kids (on top of exploiting the oldies). There were huge plans supposedly, including video games (that eventually came out on the Turbografx-16, one of them called Yo Bro, not a good sign), albums featuring the bear mascots for this franchise, merchandise up the wazoo, and a full-blown cartoon. Mike wanted this franchise to be a huge deal to mark the Beach Boys' revival. And thankfully, all of those plans came crashing down when this album bombed spectacularly.
christ, it’s like the musical equivalent of cheetahmen (except cheetahmen had much better music)
Damn, that's insane. A part of me almost wants to see what that would've been like... almost.
Jesus Christ. Dennis Wilson must be spinning like a Beyblade in his grave
so not only is this mike loves pet sounds its mike loves the wall
amazing
@@reitraceMike Love’s Doug Walker’s The Wall
John Stamos is a Beach Boy as much as Drake is a Toronto Raptor.
Ha! That's a good one!
A few years ago, I was in the gym and I overheard a guy in his 60s complaining about how his family thought he was a dick for refusing to give Christmas presents for his grandkids because he didn't deem the family to be "real Christians." He also complained that the atheists were destroying the country with their lack of morals. In the exact same conversation, he complained that the barely-legal teens he hit on never seemed interested in him and got with guys their own age instead... Anyway, that's the vibe I get from Mike Love.
aacsmiles Ewwwwwww
You sure you didn't just run into Mike Love at the gym?
Justin 🤣
🤮
I’ve noticed elderly people can be either some of the nicest or the nastiest people you’ll ever meet, there is no in between.
I went and looked up the clip of Mike Love calling Mick Jagger chickenshit, and as he and the Beach Boys were leaving the stage Elton John grabbed the mic and said "thank fuck he didn't mention me!"
I watched the clip of the Beach Boys as Brian gave his acceptance speech. I recall them standing respectfully except Mike Love who interrupted non stop. Asshole.
My sister is a big Beach Boys fan after taking a class on them in college and she HATES Mike Love. HATES him. And watching this episode, I get it. Also, my first introduction to The Beach Boys was Full House and for years I just assumed they were a cheesy Jimmy Buffet-like band. I didn’t hear Pet Sounds until later and I got it. So if Mike Love can take them from that to this, he truly is the worst.
Virtually EVERY Beach Boys fan hates Mike.
How one goes from helping write "Wouldn't It Be Nice" to making "Summer of Love" is proof that some people age worse than others.
King of the Void
Tony Asher was truly responsible for the lyrics on not just “Wouldn’t It Be Nice”, but on the entire Pet Sounds album. Mike was able to weasel his way into a co-writing credit because apparently the ending couplet of “good night, my baby / sleep tight, my baby” was substantial enough to warrant that. Lawyers, man. 🙄
Taking a class on the Beach Boys?
Man, I picked the wrong major.
Yeah, what a scumbag. If you'll excuse me I'm going to listen to "Never Learn Not To Love" by the Beach Boys/Charlie Manson.
I've seen hostages in Taliban videos who look less sad and confused than Brian Wilson does in that BAYWATCH clip at 8:27.
I've watched that video multiple times because of how hilariously offputting it is and there's SO MANY shots of Brian Wilson looking various states of wanting. For instance, in your clip you can FEEL the director yelling at Brian to clap along to the beat and he just...wants to go home. My other favourite is right near the end when they're dancing in front of a van and Brian's looking at Mike like he's hearing the song for the first time and thinking "Dude they're 30-fucking-years younger than you. Eugh."
Well, it’s Brian Wilson. Sad and confused is kind of hi modus operandi.
haha i didn't catch that expression. he definitely wanted to die
He was probably kidnapped.
8:08 Another great moment is him just standing there
I'm sure Mike Love sat in the control room listening to the final playback of this travesty and was getting chills, thinking it was genius and he was finally going to get the credit he so richly deserved for being the real brains and talent in the Beach Boys.
His lack of self awareness is quite something to behold.
Sounds about right lol.
oh 100000% absolutely he was. that would be the most Mike Love thing ever
@@GEricG seriously, there are modern recordings without auto tune, and he sounds like he's _dying_ when singing.
Regardless of the utter trash that is this album, I think we can agree that Brian Wilson in that Baywatch video is a mood. His face just screams “I don’t want to be here.”
Can you time stamp it please?
Shadamyfan 1923 8:05 in particular.
@@jtm-inc2912 Thanks for the stamp. Which one is he though?
Shadamyfan 1923 the one in black, he kinda sticks out once you see him!
@@jtm-inc2912 I think I see him. Thank you.
The Hot Fun in the Summertime video looks like they invaded Sesame Street and cleansed it of the Muppets.
"Life in prison as a ladies' man" ... is that the Harvey Weinstein gameplan?
Didn't Harvey get the virus?
@@TheJollyMisanthrope Exactly.
@@TheJollyMisanthrope name checks out
Briefly conflated Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein in my mind and got mildly confused.
@@hiimemily It's not worth trying to distinguish the two.
A scene I can imagine with startling clarity:
Receptionist at Asian escort service: (sees caller ID, rolls eyes, picks up) "Hi, Mike. The usual?"
Mike Love: "Haha. Yeah, send one of the girls over to LOVE me long time." (chortle) "Get it? Because--"
Receptionist: "Yeah. I get it." (hangs up) "It's Mike again!"
Escorts: (groan, erupt into violent argument over whose turn it is)
My instinct is 90% sure this actually happened
Oh dear god
I don’t like Mike Love at all.
Yes.
That's beautiful!
My theory is Kokomo stands out only because it was co-written by former Mamas and Papas member John Philips, one of the best melody makers in rock history
Whose daughter Chynna teamed up with Brian Wilson's daughters Carnie and Wendy in a group called Wilson Phillips.
And allegedly an infinitely worse human being than Mike Love.
@@dw89music73 Wilson Phillips were a one-*album* wonder. Their debut was huge. The second album flopped and they've only recorded intermittently since then.
Zombie Dodge very true! I grew up with the Mamas and the Papas and when I finally learned about them, and about Phillips in particular, I was frankly horrified
At least the cover of John Philips's old song California Dreaming by the Beach Boys was awesome. If not better, just as good as the original in the sense it feels melancholic af
That's hilarious that Mike Love was for the PMRC's censorship when freakin' wholesome John Denver was so against it he actually testified at the hearings. He won them over too cos they didn't expect clean Mr Sunshine to be against censorship of songs like Darling Nikki.But unlike Love, Denver was a decent human being.
And the reason why John Denver spoke against it was he had experience with his songs being misconstrued to mean something else. (And yes, it was “Rocky Mountain High”. The association is a lame joke at best and a stupid interpretation at worst.
Except he was allegedly quite abusive to his ex-wife Annie 😕
@@TrippedGian1 At least he had alcoholism as an excuse for his past terrible behavior. Mr Love doesn't drink so what's his excuse for his despicable antics?
The best part of that nonsense was when Dee Snider told tipper gore that she had a dirty mind for suggesting that under the blade was about s&m and al shot him a look that could've melted cheese.
Actually, I can see why Mike Love would take an interest in that particular (ehem) crusade. Remember to “follow the money”. In other words, those “dangerous” acts were cutting into his business. Even if they weren’t, it’s a way to eliminate competition, so to speak. Oops, can’t see Madonna or Prince? Hey! There’s always The Beach Boys.
I've never seen someone so gifted at acting in silhouette. The pure revulsion in your face at 7:14 was palpable
Looks like Lucy after getting kissed by Snoopy
@@sugarbugx3564 "UGGHHHH! Mike Love germs! Get some hot water, get some disinfectant, get some iodine!!!"
Thank you for this comment, I actually cackled
@@christopherwall2121😂😂😂😂😂😂
Interesting that John Stamos did an episode of Full House where he stopped "Forever" from being turned into a rap song for the sake of "decency", yet as a Beach Boy didn't stop "Summer Of Love" from sounding like...that.
Yeah, he’s talking about “decency” while covering a dead beach boys potentially best song, and not even being a beach boy. And doing it extremely bad. Talk about decency
@@raizoofthemist I don't covering the music of dead artists is bad, I mean that would make Christmastime pretty silent to say the least. But something about that cover is just so *icky*. Maybe it's Stamos showboating during what should be a sincere, intimate piece?
@@rachelhallie7483 Yeah, it's DEFINITELY due to the fact that stamos is boasting and showing off, that makes it seem icky, ma'am. I agree with you. Very, very wrong. And the crying babies in the video, speak for us all, in that regard. Because we'd rather be anywhere else, and crying at the thought of having to hear uncle jesse ruin a good song that came out decades before I was even born, (I'm only 27), fyi. And there's just the entire video itself. Stamos waking up in bed, shirtless, looking at the camera, like he's trying to hit on you personally, it's all, just... wrong. The babies in the video too, who look horrified to even be there, but that's probably because they're babies. Still, all wrong in almost every way possible.
There's just a really ugly racist undertone to rap being "the bad guy" in that plot.
@@anone.mousse674 Especially when there's a terrible rap song ON THE ALBUM