Retired deputy sheriff here. I worked rural areas for 30 years. If i knew things were going to get ugly, or possibly get ugly, i used my patrol rifle 100 percent of the time. Excellent advice.
@@efficientinthefield Maybe. Or it might be a “soft” Argentine style shtf. Not saying never have a rifle, but most scenarios would probly favor the grey man moving in and out of urban scenarios without leaving a big footprint
I was dual carry (M4 and M9 Beretta) for two years in Afghanistan. The M9 Pistol was 100% on me/next to me (showers/bathroom) all the time. The Rifle was with me 90% of the time in Afghanistan. BOTH are needed.
@@efficientinthefield About the same as my M4. In my few times being ambushed, the vehicle machine guns did the real killing. My M4 just shot at mud hut door frames (to make me feel like I was helping). If you asked me how many times I drew the pistol only a few times. Afghans were not scared of my M4 being pointed at them. Twice I drew my M9 Beretta with Crimson Trace laser grips (2006-08) and they backed down. I thank the SOVIETS for that. They were afraid of pistols. I also used the red dot both times.
@@branned Thank you for the honesty. We need more people in this world willing to be as blatantly honest as you are. 🙏 I asked the question because I figured it would corroborate my thoughts that the handgun is mostly useless as a defensive tool when you already have a primary and it did. I've heard this same sentiment confirmed elsewhere. I hope you'll continue to share your experience overseas on my videos. 🙏
@@efficientinthefield I agree with you that the rifle is and was my primary weapon. My third tier was blades. I carried three knives and NEVER drew them. (Benchmade Folder, Glock 81 on body armor, and a Becker BK77 Extreme). I would still always have a blade on me but rethink why and which one. I am old now so cutting down is a must🤣🤣
@@efficientinthefield My experience is really just my experience. I would not draw too many conclusions from it. All firefights aka TICs (troops in contact) as they were called in Afghanistan) are different as the time, place, geography, logistics, weapons, enemy, and friendly, are always different.
I carry a pistol 100% of the time when I leave my homestead. When I'm on the homestead, or hiking in the mountains around my homestead my rifle is with me 100% of the time. I'm currently eating dinner, and my rifle is next to me at the table.
76 year old here. Was Special Forces many years ago, can't do that now. You will get to the point where you will decide for yourself what you must do to keep your loved ones and yourself alive. I agree, your 1st weapon is a reliable clip fed rifle, but in my case a small light revolver of .38+P (LCR) goes with me everywhere. I've trained with it enough to get 3-4" groups at 50 yards. My wife can also use it well (she and I were also cops after my retirement). She prefers her S&W 13 (I also have one). It's how we like it..
I agree. Use what works for you. I carried a glock for years, especially as a cop. But for myself I like my ruger sr9 better. My edc is now a Mossberg MC2c. 16rds in a skinny Glock 19 package
Long guns/being gooned up will attract negative attention when HS or Guard eventually show up post initial excitement. Handguns concealed will be first line if your mobile out there.
Maybe we have different ideas of SHTF. In mine it is a total breakdown of society or socialist type government crackdowns and mass executions of whole towns. Assuming the cops are trying to execute you over a Facebook quote then drawing attention is a given by you being outside. Assuming it’s totally breakdown the most dedicated cops will wait out two missed paychecks then they’ll be wearing issued gear and raiding like everyone else with staving kids that they didn’t prep for.
I would carry my concealed carry handgun as a secondary to my rifle. I’m not made of money and my rifle is a poverty build. I would like to know that the Glock on my side is there if my AR failed.
That poverty build if done right should be reliable. There has been a lot of bullshit put out there that it’s not. Glock is a great weapon the point he is trying to make really comes into play if your in a group of people let’s say a squad size element if everyone brings an extra 5 mags of 5.56 because they are not carrying pistols that’s a lot of extra rifle ammunition you are bringing to the ball game
That would be wise, numerous commenters, notably military have cited situations and reasons their handgun was important or actually served a purpose. Unfortunately though I understand this guys logic, it’s flawed and has no actual real world experience behind it.
@@investinfastudios The truth is that I'm right. It's not an easy thing to suggest because a lot of people, people like you, hear some war stories from overseas on the Shawn Ryan Show or whatever and BLAM, you're forever sold on the absolute necessity of transitioning to a handgun. Select war stories don't paint the full picture though. The full picture is that tens of thousands of combat troops carried handguns day in and day out in a war zone and never used them. That's the reality. Try this...ask every operator you know (you probably don't know any personally, I had a number of them working for me once upon a time) how many times they felt the need to transition to their handgun in war. Not had to depend on their handgun because their long gun was in the HUMVEE. Not pulled their handgun to intimidate the natives. Actually had to transition to it to keep their ass alive. When you get that answer, come back here and apologize. There is no flaw in my argument at all. My argument is that a handgun is not going to be the 20% that produces 80% of the results for most of us in SHTF. I'm right.
@@efficientinthefield Still respectfully disagree. Appreciate your insight, you did make some good points against me here. I would like to highlight one thing that maybe you overlooked. What makes you think that in a SHTF situation, rolling around with a rifle in the open is always the best option. There are several scenarios I can think of where concealment is going to be key. I.e. if you have regimes or factions that have taken over, etc. A snapshot example of this can be seen, look at the Kyle RIttenhouse in the BLM riots. He was attacked for carrying a rifle.
I remember those thugs back in the 90s who robbed the banks in Hollywood. IIRC the cops only had their handguns and ended up having to raid a local gunshop to get a few rifles and shotguns to eventually take them out. That was just two dudes against an entire police force. That one event singlehandedly changed department SOPs in the future. That was all the evidence I needed to know what my primary would be as a civilian.
@@christophermitchell7925 they did have body armor. They both carried 3 weapons. Both carried a full auto Chinese Type 56 AK, both carried beretta 92’s, one carried a full auto G3 and the other carried a full auto bushmaster dissipator style AR
During lebanese civil war. My mom left handgun at home and in college took her underfolder ak and would hang it on the coat rack in class along eith most students. My dad left his 🇧🇪 browning hipower at home and had his french MAT sub gun with him.. both got through the war without firing a single round. Escape and evade when needed. There was a time my dad held my hand as we crossed a landmine field to cross into the christian safe zone. agree with you based on direct account of my parents
The second thing will be the plates in your plate carrier... You'll probably ditch the ballistic helmet and switch to a boonie cap too. If I gotta walk 4 hrs in the hot ass Texas sun and have a choice between armor or plus-in up on water I'm ditchin the plates and not becoming a heat casualty. Just sayin...
My Drill Sergeants (Fort Sill 1/40 C-3rd Platoon Reapers 08’) had me (PG) and the Squad Leaders straight jack a rifle if we saw one without a soldier next to it. That drilled situational awareness into all of us. Hopefully they still practice that today, because all it took was 1 time and the guy would never do it again. Great video man 👊🏻
that cracks me up and no they don't still do that, they would cry today and that's why many of my buddies left the military because you can't break people down and rebuild them anymore.
@@leokelly359 I hear that man! We got extra CS Gas and time in the chamber for getting caught with dip and cigs 😂 We had the more rowdy platoon for sure and we paid for it. Smoke sessions constantly! Toughened our asses up though and by graduation we earned the DS’s respect. I wouldn’t change a thing 👊🏻
@@David_Quinn_Photography that figures.. I remember we had an overweight kid who was a No Go 2 times. By the time I finished AIT and had my orders, I ran into him at the PX. He dropped that weight and finally earned that beret. I have tons of respect for that guy. Never gave up, no matter what words people threw at him. He literally went through 3 recycles of basic..
I totally agree. The only thing I'd add is that if you or someone in your crew is gathering firewood, someone with a long gun had better darn well be pulling security. Going outside the wire without overwatch is suicide.
At 70 years old, my choice is my .38 snubbie revolver. After that if I need something heavier, I would go with my pump 12 gauge or my SKS. If I needed more, the situation would propbably be beyond anything I could handle anyway. I do have other rifles and semi auto handguns but that is what I am most comfortable with.
In the light infantry back in the day we didn’t carry handguns the weight of a handgun equals at least 3mags of 5.56 that’s a lot of firepower lost in a platoon if everyone is carrying a firearm
Loving your videos, thank you for sharing your knowledge and wisdom! Your point about the warfighter versus the survivalist versus the prepper is really helpful.
On thing I like about a 22 handgun is you can shoot it in a enclosed area without ear protection and not suffer the same effects, where if you fired a 357 magnum or 9mm in that same space your ears will ring and give you a sense of being disorientated from the concussion and if your in low light the large flash especially from something like a 357 magnum will make you see stars for a while till your eyes readjust,
My only respectful “Rebuttle” is that 80% of Americans live in Urban areas. Carrying a rifle daily is beyond risky unless you keep it secured inside your vehicle in which case it’s still not 100% safe. That said a pistol is what most guys will most likely have when it all goes south unless you’re lucky enough to be at “home”!!! I’ve been on the fence about storing a locked “trunk” full of “necessities” in the event I’m too far away from home when the CW/Red Dawn/lights go out.
Rifle is no. 1,I agree totally and a big bore handgun is not neccesary when you can reach for the rifle anytime. But what one could consider is to have a compact - not micro - .22 lr pistol or revolver all the time together with the rifle.Does not weigh much even with ammo and a. 22 rifle and ammo should be in the inventory anyway. Gives you last ditch self defence and a way to shot small game at close range.
I wonder how many guys will be traipsing through the brush with their battle belt, drop leg holster, plate carrier, helmet, and clip on chest rig...not many i presume, and the ones that do are walking loot drops.
I believe that remaining unnoticed is the best way to survive. And how you go about doing that is dependent on how your area reacts to what ever shtf situation. If everyone grabs their rifles then you don’t want to appear to be the only guy who isn’t armed. So open carrying a rifle would be smart. However, if you’re area doesn’t respond to that degree, I wouldn’t want to be the only guy walking around with a “scary” rifle. And have people thinking im a threat when Im not. But I don’t want to be unarmed either so a handgun makes sense. I guess what im saying is, the firearm you choose is dependent on the situation you are facing.
Guys there was an interview with a guy that lived in a country that completely crashed. He talked about this he said all the guys with the fancy guns and gear wear killed in the first weeks. People learned real fast that carrying pistol was was better just cause people didn't see it and didn't think u were a target really going after as much
That’s what I just said. It’s a no brainer. Even walking around with a war belt and a pistol makes you target number 1. You have something that everyone wants and that makes YOU a threat.
Right now I carry two handguns everywhere I go with a long gun in my vehicle. M&P 2.0 9mm appendix and a keltec p32 in my pocket. I’ve been carrying that 32acp in my pocket for so long now I doubt I ever quit carrying it. 7+1 and weighs less than my iPhone 13 lol. But I’m definitely with you on the long gun approach. Most RUclipsrs always say if you can only have one fire arm it should be a handgun. I love sootch to death but I think he’s wrong there lol. Sootch is another RUclips channel for the ones that don’t know.
@@efficientinthefield yea loaded with 8rds of 71grain it’s not even 10oz and even lighter with 60grain. Only a 32 acp but beats nothing if something were to go wrong with the m&p. They make a 380 model that supposedly is almost identical dimensions but I’ve never handled one in person. But given the chance if it’s actually the same weight and size I would swap to the 380. And after thinking about saying I disagree with sootch about the handgun being the most important, I guess in his case maybe it makes more sense because he’s in a prepper group and probably wouldn’t need to hunt for food at least not for a while plus he would most likely not venture too far from his bugout/in location. But still for me even in that situation if I only could have one it would definitely be a rifle. Semi auto mag fed preferably.
@@justa3v619 Yeah, I'm thinking the semi auto mag fed rifle is hard to beat these days. Most people have never had one attached to their hip. You get used to it.
Hand gun advantage is for close quarters, when the distance is that you can't hit a 4 inch kill zone ( the heart ) then you have maxed your hand gun effectiveness to now transition to a rifle with iron sights, then when you see the max range you can hit a 4 inch kill zone with iron sights then transition to scoped rifle, I didn't mention shot guns but this is in general what your usage or benefit of each should look like, pistol 0 - 25 yards, iron sight rifle 25 - 75 yards, scoped rifle 100 yards and beyond if we are going by a absolute hit potential on a 4 inch kill zone, even though a shot off zone may end up lethal we still need to set a standard of kill zone shot placement since our tatget is not a torso but vitals that incapacitate faster then a missed but maybe still lethal shot. Having a dog and watching as far as the eye can see, good set of binoculars to in shtf, even a broke guy with a 400 dollar scoped savage 6.5 creedmoor with little to no experience can hit a milk jug at 1000 yards, so death from afar is going to be the biggest threat in shtf if you have something they want, staying low profile with our stuff not visible from afar is best, if you look like you have no resources from 100 yards or more they may pass by you looking for a show off who has everything out in the open as part of their shtf setup, look poor, look like your out of resources but secretly not, its just in the ground like a quick access cashe, at a distance no one knows, they don't see it
115 grain 9mm and 55 grain 5.56x45 are virtually the same weight but power levels and range are much different. Only advantages to a handgun is concealability and weight. Loaded 9mm handgun weighs under 2 lbs. Loaded AR weighs 8 lbs. Possible option, Loaded (30 rounds) 9mm Keltec Sub 2k weighs 6 lbs with suppressor. Used to be my get home gun. Braced AR9 pistol might be also be a good option. Suppressed 9mm PDW/PCC would have a 100 yard range. Noise will attract predators. Also considering an AR15 and a suppressed Ruger 22/45 Lite for when you need to be very quiet. We are mid 80's and would not last long if we had to bug out. Last possible option. We will defend what we have and I am never unarmed when away from the house.
I think the situation would dictate if you bring a hand gun. How many people are with you and how hot an area is. I've been to a lot of trainings where guys are running rifles hard and I've seen gas blocks walk, extractors break and trigger pins walk.
It’s tough to disagree with this. I am just glad I am blessed and fortunate enough to have both a handgun and an Ar. And the fact most of the people in these comments can say the same is, in my opinion, one of the things left that makes America great. Stay safe, brothers.
This is complicated. A SHTF scenario in the city or suburbs, once people start hunkering down and claiming turf; openly carrying a weapon will put people in a shoot first, ask questions later mood.
I just found your channel I think it’s because I was looking for information on the Ak platform. And I have always been interested in this kind of content. All I know is if shtf happens it’s not going to be good. A lot of people will die to be honest with you I’ll probably be on that list. Along with my family idc how much anyone prepares how much food they have stored. More then likely something else will happen. And all those stores will probably be taken. My point is we need to to figure out how to get this country under control. If we don’t it’s going to be very very bad.
Exactly,excellent advice 👍 Loving the old school gun racks in the back window, but then im old school, and the older one gets the less weight one can carry.. I am a hard-core prepper ,at my age, i plan on bugging in,but i do have a bug out plan and location stocked and ready..
Just like you say, I’ll have my handgun for the initial SHTF. Other than that my reliable primary is the only thing I carry while the secondary stays cached and hidden for a just in case emergency. It’s always good to have multiple caches with guns and ammo.
Some really great points, especially at the end. I am a fan of having a secondary option. The reason for this probably has to do with where I live and the training that I have taken. However, I am able to adapt to situations and could definitely leave the pistol behind depending on the situation. They are all tools at the end of the day, and just like any job I don't want to carry every tool that I have to hammer a nail.
Got my first ar back in December already filled 33 mags full of green tip just stocking up on ammo now . Only have about 3 handguns the rest are PCC'S and Shotguns i love me some tactical Shotguns .
99% of the times the scenario we conjure up in our heads of what will occur in shtf situations are not what really happens. The best tool we have is between our ears.
I carry 1:50 In my pocket a ruger lcp2. Its always with me. But i keep my 12 gauge coach gun ready on the farm all day. If i need a rifle i use my old sks with 10 round fixed mag. Dont really need more. Have a lever gun in 357 mounted on tractor
My first thought is that not everybody lives where they can carry a long gun around every day or have circumstances that would make them not want to keep a long gun in their vehicle, if SHTF while they are away from home (average commute in the US is ~1 hour), a concealed pistol would be better than nothing and would present less of a threat to others that are scared and confused to get to the long gun and would be less likely to cause legal trouble while waiting for that day. The first 24 hours will see the most use of handguns as people try to fight to their long guns, after that, I would imagine handguns would become more used again as long gun ammunition gets used without means to infinitely replenish. I realize that my thoughts are more tailored to my area and situation (Cali desert ~1 hour outside Death Valley), and everyone should make their own decisions based on their circumstances.
@@blakebeaton5821 I said in the video that handguns certainty have their place in that initial window of chaos in SHTF. That's exactly what you're describing. Getting home in that initial window. Plenty of rifles will break down to fit in a backpack as well, so there's that. 🥳 Don't forget the cheek pistol! Go watch my video if you haven't seen it. 🙏 To end, absolutely correct about individual circumstances. It should be the guiding light to everyone's approach.
@efficientinthefield your video is very well informed and especially where I live, there is a lot of open space that a pistol would not make good use of the distances that I have around me and being in CA, it makes it difficult to even legally CCW. I have a Ruger PC9, which fits perfectly in a backpack when broken down and I have a 10.5" AR pistol that would easily fit a backpack as well, when it comes down to it, the long gun that I would gravitate towards is my Keltec RDBC for the 20" barrel and same OAL as a 16" AR. Also, considering I live next to a Navy base that is primarily weapons R&D, chances are that there will be some serious hardware that people will loot and likely a decent amount of body armor.
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nailed it brother... except when working on my homestead I disagree... i carried my rifle in the military and all the time every where ... but when working with axes and chainsaws (on my homestead) I would have like a handgun though ... PSSSS 357 mag lol in both
IMHO there are simply too many things that end up being scenario dependent. And in the complex world we face today we might not have enough information to figure out exactly what's going on until we're at least part way into it. As well advances in certain technologies can have the effect of making concealment more of a priority than it had been. This is especially true if you're worried about scenarios dealing with a government gone rogue. Now if I KNEW I was going to be getting into some sort of serious fire fight I would want to have my HK-91 clone with me. But I wouldn't want to be dragging it around with me everywhere I go right now. Especially given that my current job situation is a nonpermissive environment for weaponry. So I have a pistol (.454 Casull) in a daypack that stays hidden in my vehicle when I'm out and about. It's not the sort of thing I'd really want to use for a serious extended fire fight, but for SERE should work just fine. For SHTF/TEOTWAWKI/RED DAWN whatever where one may have to be functioning as militia/guerilla I have always thought optimum load out would be one rifle, one pistol and one good fighting knife. If the only firearm you have is a rifle which for whatever variant of Murphy's law goes OOC you're humped. But if you have a pistol to fall back on it might not be that bad. So as I see it there might be situations where your pistol is going to have to be primary because you can't have a rifle with you for whatever reason. Or your rifle is currently OOC. As well a good fighting/utility knife is simply too useful to be without. So I simply don't see ditching the pistol as being a reasonable option unless you're trying to get through some paranoid security screen where you couldn't bring the rifle anyway.
@@minarchist1776 Everyone is going to have to make their own call depending on their situation and situations change, but pistols will never be as effective as rifles when it comes to overt SHTF style scenarios. Take your Casull for example. You keep it in a pack in your vehicle because it's convenient and a long gun would be too big and obvious since your work area is non permissive to firearms. Were it permissible and you wanted something extremely effective with you, it'd be a long gun. And handguns do have their place. The very fact that you keep the Casull with you when you can't carry a long gun proves that and this is what I was saying. Handguns are convenient, but not effective when compared to long guns. I even think there are some situations in SHTF where carrying a handgun in addition to your long gun makes sense and I didn't really get into it in the video. Let's say your main is a bolt action rifle. It wouldn't be hard to justify carrying a semi-automatic sidearm. Many handguns though will just be dead weight, seeing little to no use before the wearer gets smoked by a long gun while using their own long gun. Thanks for the long, well-thought out comment. 🙏
Never thought about owning a handgun till I bought property in bear country. I have taken a few deer with the 1858 muzzle loader. Because its legal to hunt with. It's not gonna out perform the 357 or 308. I do some handgun hunting. But would rather use bow or rifle. Muzzle loading is really just putting meat on the table. Shtf I expect to see more animals like during lock down. One is none. Sitting butt too low to ground. As I frequently find my self on during hunting. I want a boot gun along with side arm. In case bear or moose gets jump on my from right side. I set rifle or bow down to field dress game. I practice the shit out of bear drills. Do keep in mind under rule of law limited to 6 rounds for legal hunting. 6 in rifle and 6 in handgun while bear hunting. Sounds like me hunting 11 rifle rounds in 2 mags and 6 shots in side arm. I carry primers and bullets for 357 and 308 in my possibles bag. To be able to reload primaries just in case. My 1858 is my trappers pistol.
I agree with that. To a point. There will be a point, depending on what version of SHTF we are talking about, where long guns will be where it's at, even in urban areas.
What do you think about a pistol caliber carbine? I definitely prefer an intermediate rifle cartridge carbine. But I keep seeing 9mm ammo for sub $.40 a round. I mean I have what I feel is a decent amount of rifle ammo but I’m trying to get as much as possible before this years election. I can buy 1000rds of 9mm for the price of 500rds of the cheapest steel cased 55gn 5.56 ammo. Just thinking if I got 1000rds of 9mm a month till November that’s another 9k rounds. For the same amount of $ I’m looking at half that much ammo if I bought 500rds of 5.56 a month till then. I already have a couple 9mm carbines. A keltec sub2000 and a 10.5” ar9. So I guess what I’m asking would you rather 4500rds of 5.56 or 9k rounds of 9mm. Sorry I know my comments get kinda long winded lol
I would rather have a rifle with loaded mags and some spare ammo at home, I get having spare ammo at home ready to go but don't get too deep into it, would you use 4k in a survival situation or would you ditch most of it for weight to give you food space if you need to move on? If you are thinking "oh we'd move by vehicle" just remember fuel is only good for 6 months and supply would dry up quickly and vehicles are loud, so you'd probably be moving by foot or horseback. so in short get an AR in 556/223 and however much ammo you can carry by foot then for training just remember to replenish what you use and remember FIFO.
@@David_Quinn_Photography yea I really already have more ammo and guns than me and 4 others could carry. Hopefully I don’t have to leave. But if I did I have plenty of loaded mags. I was just thinking if I went with 9mm I could have that much more lol. But I guess you are right if I had to go I’d have to leave most of it anyways
Great video, here's a couple more things i dont hear many people talk about.. There won't be any game to hunt after the first month or two. When you have a million people with ar15s all leaving the cities after they've all been looted out. The game will disappear pretty fast-- just ask the Buffalo, lol... Also, there are going to be alot of abandoned and very hungry dogs that will likely start hunting in packs. These former house pets will be as dangerous as wolves and probably take alot of the game for themselves... after that's gone they will hunt humans. If you are lone wolfin it, your're going to die. Dont travel alone. As for the 20%/80%, you better be able to purify and carry plenty of water. A half liter is good for one hour. I carry 4 qts on my LBE which is good for about 8 to 10 hrs after that I better find more. If you go black on water you're dead. Your greatest asset will be whatever team you can put together or be part of. In a TEOTWAKI scenario you want all the eyes you can get so you have 360 awareness and security at all times!
I agree with you about the time period in which carrying a handgun will be most useful. Your scenario where you have only a rifle with you and you lean it against a tree while cutting firewood is one where i kinda disagree, sorta. Whether this is a good idea or not depends on a few factors. How far away are you gonna get from the rifle? How well do you know your surroundings? Is there enough noise to prevent you from detecting someone rolling up on your position rapidly? If you're running a chainsaw the answer is likely yes. If you look up to see the muzzle of your own rifle pointing at you, then you're in a far worse position than you'd be armed with "just" a handgun. Best practice would be to always have someone watching your six if at all possible of course.
This is putting one person's situation into a one size fits all category. Not everyone lives in a field in the middle of nowhere with 1 neighbor 4 miles away. There are multiple types of societal breakdown and multiple levels of severity. Some cases, a commuter that rides the bus or train and still goes to work during the chaos will want a handgun. The end of normalcy does not mean the end of all authorities. It is very likely that heavily armed trigger happy cops or soldiers will be all over the place in populated areas for the beginning and well into the duration of an event. Guess what happens to the guy walking around with a rifle slung? Some soldier with a mounted 240b hits him with a burst, that's what.
Do you think the cops will show up after their paychecks stop? I’ll give it two days without a paycheck and you can’t find a cop who is married or has kids. I’ll give the young single one two pay cycles. The US is the most armed nation in the world. As a vet I’ll tell you that we saw locals in Iraq and Afghanistan with guns all the time. If they weren’t pointed at us we let them keep going. Those countries aren’t even in the top 5 of armed civilians. Also in cities the gangs have handgun, right now most homicides are committed with handguns, it’s not even close. These are who are going to be shooting at you. Do you want to be evenly matched if you are outnumbered? Friend, the first couple weeks I hope you don’t have to go out. By the time you do there won’t be cops. If there still are, and not smoking political dissidents for empower Harris then it isn’t SHTF. If it’s a two week thing, eat your beans and stay home.
@@hansblitz7770 with what? Your assuming that in SHTF banks will still be up and running, money will still be worth anything, the situation won’t be so bad that the cops would still be willing to leave their families and homes unguarded, not dead, and you’ll be the only guy with a gun to where you would stand out. Cops walked off the job over BLM riots and a whole department would rather sit in safety behind a school wall while screaming kids were being massacred down the hall for 20 minutes. Ever been to a store when the internet goes down and they can’t run a card. Even if the state was giving IOU’s because their required direct deposit doesn’t work that’ll last about as long as the staties panty holds out at best. That’ll last about two pay cycles at most. If that’s it then stay home and eat beans.
I don't disagree with you. I think I basically agreed in my video. That initial turmoil may last months and months. It's always situational. In a long term, nationwide SHTF, I don't believe a handgun is the 20% that will produce 80% of the results for most people. Some, yes. Most, no. There is no cookie cutter approach to SHTF. 🙏
@@efficientinthefield yep, I’m also pointing out that if there is rule of law that has cops paid via their required direct deposit and able to access their accounts it isn’t SHTF it is civil unrest. If it’s an invasion, civil war, or serious natural disasters that rises to the level of SHTF not a temporary hazard the cops just aren’t that loyal. They abandoned a big area in Seattle, they hid in safety while kids were being shot in Uvaldi, thousands left over vax mandates (kudos on that one but it shows they aren’t that loyal to state government). They have families, homes, friends, dogs, and stomaches of their own and wearing blue polyester doesn’t change that. Besides that if it is the chaos of a true SHTF situation cops will either be targets, or in some situations going turncoat on their fellow citizens and armed or not will have less to do with them shooting you than your political affiliation. If it’s an earthquake, flood, civil unrest, fire, or Black Friday sale go visit family and watch it on TV or watch out the window, eat your beans, and it’ll probably blow over in a few weeks. In young kid video games speak SHTF is “Fallout” and situations where there are still cops is Grand Theft Auto. In one you are drinking from a dirty mud puddle, in the other Wendy’s is on fire
from the owner of a 460s&w performance center (can also shoot 454 casull), Ill take almost any rifle over that handgun for active moving and shooting or at any range. a rifle will always be more accurate... that being said its still a hell of a day when i bring it out to the range
Brit here, We’re it possible my choice would be a rifle (M4, Colt Canada) in 5.56mm NATO ammo + optic. With a pistol I think it would be something in 9mm or possible .380/5.7. + optic, reason being it would only be used for CQB against other humans. Ultimately you want to be able to carry a lot of ammo (in mags) To complement these, I would have a respirator and some CS gas grenades. Not that many people in a SHTF scenario would have those items, and would greatly enhance your survival in a fight. (home or similar environment)
I’m gonna strongly disagree with the idea that a handgun isn’t part of the 20% of gear that does 80% of the work. In fact, I’d go as far as to say that a handgun is your most important weapon. Why? Just because there’s some kind of disaster, doesn’t mean you aren’t dealing with people. People are always threat #1 and unless you’re at war, you don’t bring a rifle with you everywhere you go. That’s a quick way to get singled out as a target or a threat. You need to work with people and you need to protect yourself from them. There’s also a distinct possibility of a government or militia filling the power vacuum and they probably won’t take kindly to anyone kitted out like GI Joe. Rifles and shotguns are great for hunting, or for when things go loud, but things won’t go loud for two years straight unless you’re fighting a war.
The SHTF discussion on my channel is based on a nationwide situation that is lasting. The end of the world as we know it. This is my thoughts based on that situation. 🙏
@@Lakikano Yeah, usually I'm talking about the darker, more permanent varieties of SHTF, but the reality is that it's a sliding graph. Let's just say stagflation and the collapse of the dollar and that's it. A handgun can definitely be the 20% that will produce 80% of the results. I just think we're looking at multiple SHTF scenarios on the horizon, some coming in hot. 🙏
Only reason i would choose a pistol is if u had to covert and dont wanna look suspicious like u said easy to hide in the very beginning of sift or say a red dawn situation where u gonna get shot or rounded up if they see u with a weapon
Pistol in the bag for me and now off the hip. Less shit hanging off me. But still there in case the long one gets hit and disabled. If you are truly worried that 15 will go down make sure you have the lower parts kit with sprinng and a little bit of oil in the grip handle. Very good topic. Thanks
I will agree 100% that 98% of the time you will not need a handgun. Just like 98% of the time you don't need a 4x4. But when you do need it. You need it very badly and nothing else will work. And on transition you will probably never need it especially with a quality rifle. But if you every do need it its worth having.
If you have had a spent cartridge fail to extract on your M4 in the middle of some shit you can understand the necessity of that sidearm and that mulitool or blade easily accessible.....
Totally spot on brother. I feel like people focus on trinkets and flashlights on pistols for ccw. Ask em how many self defense shootings have been all about the flashlight use?
I'm not claiming to be an expert by any means, but let's say you're out there in the sticks deer hunting or something like that with a rifle that doesn't have a high capacity. I can see carrying a handgun for personal protection either from dangerous animals or the spontaneous person you might bump into in such an event. Normally when I go deer hunting I load my rifle and that's all the ammunition I take out with me for the day. Unless I shoot something, and plan on going back out. In my rifle I believe it's 5 rounds all together. On the other hand you mentioned opportunistic hunting. I know it's not a possibility for everyone but having a suppressed 22 pistol may seem like a good idea to take small game without drawing too much attention to yourself. The same could be said if you're using a different kind of main weapons such as a crossbow or more traditional bows.
The thing to remember when comparing pistols to rifles is that they are the same technology except that the pistols have additional size and weight constraints. If they made a pistol that was better than rifles, they would add a stock to it and lengthen the barrel and make an even better rifle.
As slow as www 3 has been moving a handgun concealed carry will be 80% for longer then expected. Although a handgun in 5 7 x28 is best mini rifle in my mind
I don’t think you’re wrong for the scenario you’re constructing here. I’d just think that most people are more likely to spend two weeks sleeping in the Astrodome than running around the woods like the wolverines. Pistol offers a “social” versatility where it can’t be seen.
I think if you can dig into historical accounts, you will find that the old long hunters and trappers added handguns to their kit at their first opportunity to do so. It was even more important in a time when the primary only held one shot, and to reload was a relatively long and tedious process.
I kind of bounce in and out of the topic here and there and that's not really what I'm seeing, but I'd be happy to read over any citable source you have on the topic. I just read an article written by Charles Hanson Jr. called "Fur Traders' Pistols" and his opening paragraph breaks down my view. "Some" of the firearms used by fur traders were pistols. Not half, most, a lot, just some. Long Hunters used them even less from what I've read. Then there's the Indians, which I failed to mention in my video. They were living in the same place at the same time and had hardly any love for pistols. They very much preferred the long gun. As you pointed out, modern technology has changed the game even more. 🙏
45.5 oz is my total carry weight with my sig 322 all 200 rounds loaded in magazines on body and one in the pipe, with the help of a 511 vest, for my urban close quarters only needs it's more fire power then a rifle I have to get from the car when seconds matter in the mall or my public places, with a 22 head hunter mode for defense if say mass shooter, the IDF forces have taken many with a 22 but you must train run and gun making shure you get heart and head shot training is good, it's different then the military in private citizen defense situations because you have to go from mall and run hundreds to the car when seconds matter, so in some locations I may be the best Army in that area when seconds matter. The sig 322 is just one gun and caliber I carry occasionally
I"v'e shot with the best there is, in world level IPSC tournaments. When you aint got ear protection, the targets move, use cover, shoot back, etc, 10m is a LONG shot, guys. Once the longarms come out, no pistol amounts to a hill of beans. Best keep it small, lw, with small, lw ammo and dont bother to carry much ammo for it, or even cache much ammo for it, cause you'll never survive needing to fire more than a very few rds thru it. You wont survive needing to fire very many centerfire rifle rds, either. You have to AVOID people, by staying a tunnel for year, while the 99% die off. Night vision, night sights, solar charger, batteries, silenced shorty AR in 223,, with a 22lr conversion unit, BETTER stay either in your hands or on your assault sling. Come out only at night, only for an hour. so you can cook a meal. Have a year's supply of food scatter-buried around your BOL. Use nail-sandals any time you're within 50m of a cache or either of the two concealed lids as the ends of your 10m long tunnel. Dig it after shtf, cause you can do so in a week come and go at different ends, from different angles, so you dont beat a path. After a year, it'll be much safer to have small, hidden plots of peanuts, root veggies, sprouts. The fish and game will all be gone in 2 months. 90 days in, the cannibalism will start in-earnest. It only takes one person to kill you and there will be millions of people everywhere. You can't make noise, be out in daylight, or show a normal light at night. or youll get shot.
A 308/6.5 18in would be good, while also having 16-18in 5.56. Maybe one short barreled rifle if you feel the need. Plus always have extra gas rings, retaining pin, firing pin and bolt.
Yeah that’s a no. My sidearm is not going to be left discarded. A single sidearm as a redundancy is a non negotiable item. You can toss yours away if you feel you can’t carry 20 ounces but not me. A rifle is primary but a sidearm is a mandatory supplement. It’s not a question of which is more powerful. It’s a failsafe, redundancy, plan B. When you get jumped and have your rifle taken away remember this video.
I Stay in CA. My frist firearm is a hand gun. 9ml. Also have a rifle chambered in 9ml and my reson why is to only worry about one callaber. But I need a 5.56. The reson why I haven't picked one up is because I want a reliable rifle out the box and the choice between "fixed" and I don't remember the other that dosent help to be Efficient with the mag release. If anyone can point me in the right direction, much appreciated.
Its interesting to hear experienced opinions and have discussions on this topic. Im sure you ruffled some feathers with this one. I tend to agree with most of what you said. Ive never been in a combat environment. I have been living that pre-post apocalypse lifestyle off and on for 20 years. Minus the human threat. Mostly. As far as food gathering goes my ruger single six is part of that 20%. I always carry it when im not in town and i can hit with it. My best shot was probably on a chicken killing fox that was running from my cat 55 yards away. Quick draw, 2 shots. 1 through the chest 1 broke the back leg. Two witnesses that still tell the story whenever they get the chance. I ate the fox that ate the chicken. That gun has taken many squirrel, hairs and other critters for the pot because i was carrying a slung rifle and didn't want to use it on small stuff. Rifle kills big stuff. 22lr/.22wmr revolver kills small stuff. In my actual lived experience that revolver is part of the 20%. The gun, holster, second cylinder and ammo dont weigh enough for me to consider leaving it behind if im only carrying my ak because i have to move out of my area on foot refugee style. Ak mags and ammo are too heavy to consider carrying a 9mm with spare mags and ammo when its only purpose is secondary defense and isn't anywhere near as efficient for filling a hungry belly. At least in my hands. Id rather carry more rifle ammo.The revolver rides high on my right hip tight to the body in a pancake holster that covers everything but the grip. It doesn't get in the way unslinging a rifle, or swinging an ax, etc. I walk or work all day with it on my side without really noticing it and roll up in my blanket at night with it still on. Obviously its not the best choice for defense use. Under powered, low capacity, slow reload etc. but if i had to walk through an area where the ak would have to be stowed in the pack or bed roll to not draw attention then the revolver will still be there under my shirt or coat. Better than nothing. But for me that kind of scenario is just speculation. I cant see leaving it behind.
For me its situational. Am I going on a patrol? Then yes its ok to carry a side arm cause Im running light and only carrying minimal gear and will be back to B.O. in 12 to 24 hrs. If Im rucking out for more than 24hrs, then I may consider swapping out pistol and mags for more rifle mags. I think for most its a security "feel" to have "something" if your rifle goes down or you run out of ammo for it. Yes it can contribute to the volume of fire theory if you are in a group out to 150 yards but you are really just lobbing it out there to keep rounds going in the other direction and if you made a meaningful hit it would be pure luck. Like I said for most its a security "feel" that if their rifle goes down they dont feel a$$ out and defensless even tho they really are vs a rifle.
Save yourself 5 to 8 lb with a pistol and ammo and use that weight to carry spare parts, repair/ cleaning gear and ammo for your main. You've convinced me man!
Retired deputy sheriff here. I worked rural areas for 30 years. If i knew things were going to get ugly, or possibly get ugly, i used my patrol rifle 100 percent of the time. Excellent advice.
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You worked in a Mayberry rural area..most Americans live near or in an urban environment. For most shtf situations, a concealable handgun is king
@@damiion666 At first. I do believe that will change once the SHTF sinks in.
@@efficientinthefield Maybe. Or it might be a “soft” Argentine style shtf. Not saying never have a rifle, but most scenarios would probly favor the grey man moving in and out of urban scenarios without leaving a big footprint
@@damiion666 I totally see.your point. If you prepare for the worst, the soft SHTF is easy and like I said in the video, everyone needs a handgun. 🥳
I was dual carry (M4 and M9 Beretta) for two years in Afghanistan. The M9 Pistol was 100% on me/next to me (showers/bathroom) all the time. The Rifle was with me 90% of the time in Afghanistan. BOTH are needed.
How many times did your secondary save your life?
@@efficientinthefield About the same as my M4. In my few times being ambushed, the vehicle machine guns did the real killing. My M4 just shot at mud hut door frames (to make me feel like I was helping). If you asked me how many times I drew the pistol only a few times. Afghans were not scared of my M4 being pointed at them. Twice I drew my M9 Beretta with Crimson Trace laser grips (2006-08) and they backed down. I thank the SOVIETS for that. They were afraid of pistols. I also used the red dot both times.
@@branned Thank you for the honesty. We need more people in this world willing to be as blatantly honest as you are. 🙏
I asked the question because I figured it would corroborate my thoughts that the handgun is mostly useless as a defensive tool when you already have a primary and it did. I've heard this same sentiment confirmed elsewhere.
I hope you'll continue to share your experience overseas on my videos. 🙏
@@efficientinthefield I agree with you that the rifle is and was my primary weapon. My third tier was blades. I carried three knives and NEVER drew them. (Benchmade Folder, Glock 81 on body armor, and a Becker BK77 Extreme). I would still always have a blade on me but rethink why and which one. I am old now so cutting down is a must🤣🤣
@@efficientinthefield My experience is really just my experience. I would not draw too many conclusions from it. All firefights aka TICs (troops in contact) as they were called in Afghanistan) are different as the time, place, geography, logistics, weapons, enemy, and friendly, are always different.
I carry a pistol 100% of the time when I leave my homestead. When I'm on the homestead, or hiking in the mountains around my homestead my rifle is with me 100% of the time.
I'm currently eating dinner, and my rifle is next to me at the table.
Rifle for the obvious, big fat win. 🥳
This is overkill but I like it.
76 year old here. Was Special Forces many years ago, can't do that now. You will get to the point where you will decide for yourself what you must do to keep your loved ones and yourself alive. I agree, your 1st weapon is a reliable clip fed rifle, but in my case a small light revolver of .38+P (LCR) goes with me everywhere. I've trained with it enough to get 3-4" groups at 50 yards. My wife can also use it well (she and I were also cops after my retirement). She prefers her S&W 13 (I also have one). It's how we like it..
I agree. Use what works for you. I carried a glock for years, especially as a cop. But for myself I like my ruger sr9 better. My edc is now a Mossberg MC2c. 16rds in a skinny Glock 19 package
Have you tried a .380 at the same distance??
Long guns/being gooned up will attract negative attention when HS or Guard eventually show up post initial excitement. Handguns concealed will be first line if your mobile out there.
Maybe we have different ideas of SHTF.
In mine it is a total breakdown of society or socialist type government crackdowns and mass executions of whole towns.
Assuming the cops are trying to execute you over a Facebook quote then drawing attention is a given by you being outside.
Assuming it’s totally breakdown the most dedicated cops will wait out two missed paychecks then they’ll be wearing issued gear and raiding like everyone else with staving kids that they didn’t prep for.
I would carry my concealed carry handgun as a secondary to my rifle. I’m not made of money and my rifle is a poverty build. I would like to know that the Glock on my side is there if my AR failed.
That poverty build if done right should be reliable. There has been a lot of bullshit put out there that it’s not. Glock is a great weapon the point he is trying to make really comes into play if your in a group of people let’s say a squad size element if everyone brings an extra 5 mags of 5.56 because they are not carrying pistols that’s a lot of extra rifle ammunition you are bringing to the ball game
Makes sense given your situation. 🙏
I appreciate the vid but, my handgun will always accompany my long gun.
To each their own.
That would be wise, numerous commenters, notably military have cited situations and reasons their handgun was important or actually served a purpose.
Unfortunately though I understand this guys logic, it’s flawed and has no actual real world experience behind it.
@@investinfastudios The truth is that I'm right. It's not an easy thing to suggest because a lot of people, people like you, hear some war stories from overseas on the Shawn Ryan Show or whatever and BLAM, you're forever sold on the absolute necessity of transitioning to a handgun. Select war stories don't paint the full picture though. The full picture is that tens of thousands of combat troops carried handguns day in and day out in a war zone and never used them. That's the reality.
Try this...ask every operator you know (you probably don't know any personally, I had a number of them working for me once upon a time) how many times they felt the need to transition to their handgun in war. Not had to depend on their handgun because their long gun was in the HUMVEE. Not pulled their handgun to intimidate the natives. Actually had to transition to it to keep their ass alive. When you get that answer, come back here and apologize.
There is no flaw in my argument at all. My argument is that a handgun is not going to be the 20% that produces 80% of the results for most of us in SHTF. I'm right.
@@investinfastudiosexactly just got out of the service and idk what this guys talking about my hand gun will forever accompany my Long gun.
@@efficientinthefield Still respectfully disagree. Appreciate your insight, you did make some good points against me here.
I would like to highlight one thing that maybe you overlooked. What makes you think that in a SHTF situation, rolling around with a rifle in the open is always the best option. There are several scenarios I can think of where concealment is going to be key. I.e. if you have regimes or factions that have taken over, etc. A snapshot example of this can be seen, look at the Kyle RIttenhouse in the BLM riots. He was attacked for carrying a rifle.
I remember those thugs back in the 90s who robbed the banks in Hollywood. IIRC the cops only had their handguns and ended up having to raid a local gunshop to get a few rifles and shotguns to eventually take them out. That was just two dudes against an entire police force. That one event singlehandedly changed department SOPs in the future. That was all the evidence I needed to know what my primary would be as a civilian.
Great share right here. 👍
Absolutely right, that’s why we all need automatic weapons!
@@kylewood8327 YES!!!
I’m pretty sure it’s because they were wearing body armor of some sort. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that.
@@christophermitchell7925 they did have body armor. They both carried 3 weapons. Both carried a full auto Chinese Type 56 AK, both carried beretta 92’s, one carried a full auto G3 and the other carried a full auto bushmaster dissipator style AR
I've heard that a handgun's purpose is to "fight" to get to your rifle
That's one of the sayings. It's not necessary though if the rifle is right there. 🙏
During lebanese civil war. My mom left handgun at home and in college took her underfolder ak and would hang it on the coat rack in class along eith most students. My dad left his 🇧🇪 browning hipower at home and had his french MAT sub gun with him.. both got through the war without firing a single round. Escape and evade when needed. There was a time my dad held my hand as we crossed a landmine field to cross into the christian safe zone. agree with you based on direct account of my parents
Sounds like a sketchy time, but I think we'll all be in it soon...
@@efficientinthefield sure hope not but definitely not a good outlook
@@ARXDMOS It's a good outlook if it helps you prepare. 🙏
If you have to take a rifle in Walmart you're better off finding food somewhere else.
Wise pro tip.
Former Green Beret Clay Martin said that a handgun is the first thing that gets left behind when weight needs to be shed
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The second thing will be the plates in your plate carrier... You'll probably ditch the ballistic helmet and switch to a boonie cap too. If I gotta walk 4 hrs in the hot ass Texas sun and have a choice between armor or plus-in up on water I'm ditchin the plates and not becoming a heat casualty. Just sayin...
@@graybeardsage yes he said that as well. Said the amount of times plates actually saved lives was very small.
@@cdevidalnot according to jocko and leif ... people got shot in their body armor and helmets all the time.
@@alternativevoice311 Plates are more useful for special ops because they are all up in the enemies' faces. We should not be.
My Drill Sergeants (Fort Sill 1/40 C-3rd Platoon Reapers 08’) had me (PG) and the Squad Leaders straight jack a rifle if we saw one without a soldier next to it. That drilled situational awareness into all of us. Hopefully they still practice that today, because all it took was 1 time and the guy would never do it again. Great video man 👊🏻
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that cracks me up and no they don't still do that, they would cry today and that's why many of my buddies left the military because you can't break people down and rebuild them anymore.
1988 I was in bravo battery at ft sill
some people would stroke out if they (the drills) did to them, like they did to us.
@@leokelly359 I hear that man! We got extra CS Gas and time in the chamber for getting caught with dip and cigs 😂 We had the more rowdy platoon for sure and we paid for it. Smoke sessions constantly! Toughened our asses up though and by graduation we earned the DS’s respect. I wouldn’t change a thing 👊🏻
@@David_Quinn_Photography that figures.. I remember we had an overweight kid who was a No Go 2 times. By the time I finished AIT and had my orders, I ran into him at the PX. He dropped that weight and finally earned that beret. I have tons of respect for that guy. Never gave up, no matter what words people threw at him. He literally went through 3 recycles of basic..
I totally agree. The only thing I'd add is that if you or someone in your crew is gathering firewood, someone with a long gun had better darn well be pulling security. Going outside the wire without overwatch is suicide.
Agree. I'm getting into patrolling (leaving the perimeter) in a vid I'm going to drop in a few days. 👍
My trusty CZ-75 goes everywhere with me........that and my VZ-58 when out in the woods.
cz 75 is awesome
I love the people that say, "all you need for SHTF is a 22LR rifle" Good luck with that idea.
Yep. Not the best way to go. RLTW
Really enjoy this channel. No BS......just tell it the way it is.
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At 70 years old, my choice is my .38 snubbie revolver. After that if I need something heavier, I would go with my pump 12 gauge or my SKS. If I needed more, the situation would propbably be beyond anything I could handle anyway. I do have other rifles and semi auto handguns but that is what I am most comfortable with.
If you like SKS, try PSA AK, mags are cheap, more accurate, more better
In the light infantry back in the day we didn’t carry handguns the weight of a handgun equals at least 3mags of 5.56 that’s a lot of firepower lost in a platoon if everyone is carrying a firearm
that is a lot of lost fire superiority 90, 120, or 180 rounds of 223/556 can do a lot with the right person.
Loving your videos, thank you for sharing your knowledge and wisdom!
Your point about the warfighter versus the survivalist versus the prepper is really helpful.
Thank you! 🙏
GP100 four inch loaded with 357 XTP 1700 FPS nuff said!!!. 🇺🇲💪🇺🇲💪🇺🇲💪🇺🇲
That’s a good gun, but not in a gunfight
On thing I like about a 22 handgun is you can shoot it in a enclosed area without ear protection and not suffer the same effects, where if you fired a 357 magnum or 9mm in that same space your ears will ring and give you a sense of being disorientated from the concussion and if your in low light the large flash especially from something like a 357 magnum will make you see stars for a while till your eyes readjust,
My only respectful “Rebuttle” is that 80% of Americans live in Urban areas. Carrying a rifle daily is beyond risky unless you keep it secured inside your vehicle in which case it’s still not 100% safe. That said a pistol is what most guys will most likely have when it all goes south unless you’re lucky enough to be at “home”!!! I’ve been on the fence about storing a locked “trunk” full of “necessities” in the event I’m too far away from home when the CW/Red Dawn/lights go out.
This is one of the realist videos online right now. I appreciate you sir. Focusing on primary is important.
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First time coming across your Channel, just subbed. I think the Marine Corps Rifleman’s Creed is something all of us should read and live by.
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Rifle is no. 1,I agree totally and a big bore handgun is not neccesary when you can reach for the rifle anytime.
But what one could consider is to have a compact - not micro - .22 lr pistol or revolver all the time together with the rifle.Does not weigh much even with ammo and a. 22 rifle and ammo should be in the inventory anyway. Gives you last ditch self defence and a way to shot small game at close range.
I wonder how many guys will be traipsing through the brush with their battle belt, drop leg holster, plate carrier, helmet, and clip on chest rig...not many i presume, and the ones that do are walking loot drops.
I believe that remaining unnoticed is the best way to survive. And how you go about doing that is dependent on how your area reacts to what ever shtf situation. If everyone grabs their rifles then you don’t want to appear to be the only guy who isn’t armed. So open carrying a rifle would be smart.
However, if you’re area doesn’t respond to that degree, I wouldn’t want to be the only guy walking around with a “scary” rifle. And have people thinking im a threat when Im not. But I don’t want to be unarmed either so a handgun makes sense.
I guess what im saying is, the firearm you choose is dependent on the situation you are facing.
Some pirates carried lots of handguns.
Guys there was an interview with a guy that lived in a country that completely crashed. He talked about this he said all the guys with the fancy guns and gear wear killed in the first weeks. People learned real fast that carrying pistol was was better just cause people didn't see it and didn't think u were a target really going after as much
That’s what I just said. It’s a no brainer. Even walking around with a war belt and a pistol makes you target number 1. You have something that everyone wants and that makes YOU a threat.
Right now I carry two handguns everywhere I go with a long gun in my vehicle. M&P 2.0 9mm appendix and a keltec p32 in my pocket. I’ve been carrying that 32acp in my pocket for so long now I doubt I ever quit carrying it. 7+1 and weighs less than my iPhone 13 lol. But I’m definitely with you on the long gun approach. Most RUclipsrs always say if you can only have one fire arm it should be a handgun. I love sootch to death but I think he’s wrong there lol. Sootch is another RUclips channel for the ones that don’t know.
Hard to ditch a pocket pistol that weighs nearly nothing. 👍
@@efficientinthefield yea loaded with 8rds of 71grain it’s not even 10oz and even lighter with 60grain. Only a 32 acp but beats nothing if something were to go wrong with the m&p. They make a 380 model that supposedly is almost identical dimensions but I’ve never handled one in person. But given the chance if it’s actually the same weight and size I would swap to the 380. And after thinking about saying I disagree with sootch about the handgun being the most important, I guess in his case maybe it makes more sense because he’s in a prepper group and probably wouldn’t need to hunt for food at least not for a while plus he would most likely not venture too far from his bugout/in location. But still for me even in that situation if I only could have one it would definitely be a rifle. Semi auto mag fed preferably.
@@justa3v619 Yeah, I'm thinking the semi auto mag fed rifle is hard to beat these days. Most people have never had one attached to their hip. You get used to it.
This guy makes sense. I’m of the mindset of better to have it then find yourself wanting one. Fun fact; 9mm, 5.56, and 30hate are N4t0 standard ammo.
Hand gun advantage is for close quarters, when the distance is that you can't hit a 4 inch kill zone ( the heart ) then you have maxed your hand gun effectiveness to now transition to a rifle with iron sights, then when you see the max range you can hit a 4 inch kill zone with iron sights then transition to scoped rifle, I didn't mention shot guns but this is in general what your usage or benefit of each should look like, pistol 0 - 25 yards, iron sight rifle 25 - 75 yards, scoped rifle 100 yards and beyond if we are going by a absolute hit potential on a 4 inch kill zone, even though a shot off zone may end up lethal we still need to set a standard of kill zone shot placement since our tatget is not a torso but vitals that incapacitate faster then a missed but maybe still lethal shot. Having a dog and watching as far as the eye can see, good set of binoculars to in shtf, even a broke guy with a 400 dollar scoped savage 6.5 creedmoor with little to no experience can hit a milk jug at 1000 yards, so death from afar is going to be the biggest threat in shtf if you have something they want, staying low profile with our stuff not visible from afar is best, if you look like you have no resources from 100 yards or more they may pass by you looking for a show off who has everything out in the open as part of their shtf setup, look poor, look like your out of resources but secretly not, its just in the ground like a quick access cashe, at a distance no one knows, they don't see it
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This was a harsh but fair assessment. Big difference between survivalist and a prepper. Thank you.
115 grain 9mm and 55 grain 5.56x45 are virtually the same weight but power levels and range are much different. Only advantages to a handgun is concealability and weight. Loaded 9mm handgun weighs under 2 lbs. Loaded AR weighs 8 lbs. Possible option, Loaded (30 rounds) 9mm Keltec Sub 2k weighs 6 lbs with suppressor. Used to be my get home gun. Braced AR9 pistol might be also be a good option. Suppressed 9mm PDW/PCC would have a 100 yard range. Noise will attract predators. Also considering an AR15 and a suppressed Ruger 22/45 Lite for when you need to be very quiet.
We are mid 80's and would not last long if we had to bug out. Last possible option. We will defend what we have and I am never unarmed when away from the house.
GOOD POINT EVEN IN STREET DEFENSE YOUR SKS ROUND WILL PENETRATE BOTH DOORS TO GET YOUR TARGET.
I think the situation would dictate if you bring a hand gun. How many people are with you and how hot an area is. I've been to a lot of trainings where guys are running rifles hard and I've seen gas blocks walk, extractors break and trigger pins walk.
I agree with this. It's always situation dependent. If you have other people with you, it would make sense to bring a number of handguns.
It’s tough to disagree with this. I am just glad I am blessed and fortunate enough to have both a handgun and an Ar. And the fact most of the people in these comments can say the same is, in my opinion, one of the things left that makes America great. Stay safe, brothers.
Have several handguns, give me an AR-15 all day for SHTF
This is complicated. A SHTF scenario in the city or suburbs, once people start hunkering down and claiming turf; openly carrying a weapon will put people in a shoot first, ask questions later mood.
And if you don't have a visible weapon they'll just see you as "easy pickings" and ambush you...🤔
A lot of the trappers carried a long gun and a knife. Sometimes 2 knives and a hatchet.
Yep! I've talked about this in TikTok videos, but I'm going to get into it more here on RUclips. 🙏
I just found your channel I think it’s because I was looking for information on the Ak platform. And I have always been interested in this kind of content. All I know is if shtf happens it’s not going to be good. A lot of people will die to be honest with you I’ll probably be on that list. Along with my family idc how much anyone prepares how much food they have stored. More then likely something else will happen. And all those stores will probably be taken. My point is we need to to figure out how to get this country under control. If we don’t it’s going to be very very bad.
@@Johnny-jr2lq I agree. It's coming to a head. Go watch the video I just posted on Democide. 👍
A hand pew is to get you a long pew! Never used my isse, but the long gun did my work. I did leave the C8 on my back in very tight quarters (ie house)
Exactly,excellent advice 👍 Loving the old school gun racks in the back window, but then im old school, and the older one gets the less weight one can carry.. I am a hard-core prepper ,at my age, i plan on bugging in,but i do have a bug out plan and location stocked and ready..
Yes, getting old sucks. One pound eventually turns into two. Glad you're enjoying the content! 🙏
As a former 0311 and combat vet, you are 100% spot on.
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Just like you say, I’ll have my handgun for the initial SHTF. Other than that my reliable primary is the only thing I carry while the secondary stays cached and hidden for a just in case emergency. It’s always good to have multiple caches with guns and ammo.
Some really great points, especially at the end. I am a fan of having a secondary option. The reason for this probably has to do with where I live and the training that I have taken. However, I am able to adapt to situations and could definitely leave the pistol behind depending on the situation. They are all tools at the end of the day, and just like any job I don't want to carry every tool that I have to hammer a nail.
Got my first ar back in December already filled 33 mags full of green tip just stocking up on ammo now . Only have about 3 handguns the rest are PCC'S and Shotguns i love me some tactical Shotguns .
I typically would carry a min of 2 firearms on me at any given point, I have a rifle I normally keep in my bag everywhere, and a handgun concealed
A lot of people feel this way about the topic. 🙏
99% of the times the scenario we conjure up in our heads of what will occur in shtf situations are not what really happens. The best tool we have is between our ears.
Only problem with primary (rifle) is that it makes it impossible to be a grey man.
A handgun is only use to get you to a rifle.
I carry 1:50 In my pocket a ruger lcp2. Its always with me. But i keep my 12 gauge coach gun ready on the farm all day. If i need a rifle i use my old sks with 10 round fixed mag. Dont really need more. Have a lever gun in 357 mounted on tractor
My primary is always near but my edc is s&w 629 44 5" in a chest rig. I'm 6.4 and don't even notice the weight😅
My first thought is that not everybody lives where they can carry a long gun around every day or have circumstances that would make them not want to keep a long gun in their vehicle, if SHTF while they are away from home (average commute in the US is ~1 hour), a concealed pistol would be better than nothing and would present less of a threat to others that are scared and confused to get to the long gun and would be less likely to cause legal trouble while waiting for that day. The first 24 hours will see the most use of handguns as people try to fight to their long guns, after that, I would imagine handguns would become more used again as long gun ammunition gets used without means to infinitely replenish. I realize that my thoughts are more tailored to my area and situation (Cali desert ~1 hour outside Death Valley), and everyone should make their own decisions based on their circumstances.
@@blakebeaton5821 I said in the video that handguns certainty have their place in that initial window of chaos in SHTF. That's exactly what you're describing. Getting home in that initial window. Plenty of rifles will break down to fit in a backpack as well, so there's that. 🥳 Don't forget the cheek pistol! Go watch my video if you haven't seen it. 🙏 To end, absolutely correct about individual circumstances. It should be the guiding light to everyone's approach.
@efficientinthefield your video is very well informed and especially where I live, there is a lot of open space that a pistol would not make good use of the distances that I have around me and being in CA, it makes it difficult to even legally CCW. I have a Ruger PC9, which fits perfectly in a backpack when broken down and I have a 10.5" AR pistol that would easily fit a backpack as well, when it comes down to it, the long gun that I would gravitate towards is my Keltec RDBC for the 20" barrel and same OAL as a 16" AR. Also, considering I live next to a Navy base that is primarily weapons R&D, chances are that there will be some serious hardware that people will loot and likely a decent amount of body armor.
100% agree!!! This is a PSA people. He speaks the truth!!
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I think I’ll always keep my secondary just cuz it’s a compact
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My entire military service of 15 years, I only carried a rifle.
nailed it brother... except when working on my homestead I disagree... i carried my rifle in the military and all the time every where ... but when working with axes and chainsaws (on my homestead) I would have like a handgun though ... PSSSS 357 mag lol in both
Having a handgun on you while working is convenient, I agree. I carry one while working my axe or chainsaw. But this is now. Not after SHTF. 🙏
IMHO there are simply too many things that end up being scenario dependent. And in the complex world we face today we might not have enough information to figure out exactly what's going on until we're at least part way into it. As well advances in certain technologies can have the effect of making concealment more of a priority than it had been. This is especially true if you're worried about scenarios dealing with a government gone rogue.
Now if I KNEW I was going to be getting into some sort of serious fire fight I would want to have my HK-91 clone with me. But I wouldn't want to be dragging it around with me everywhere I go right now. Especially given that my current job situation is a nonpermissive environment for weaponry. So I have a pistol (.454 Casull) in a daypack that stays hidden in my vehicle when I'm out and about. It's not the sort of thing I'd really want to use for a serious extended fire fight, but for SERE should work just fine.
For SHTF/TEOTWAWKI/RED DAWN whatever where one may have to be functioning as militia/guerilla I have always thought optimum load out would be one rifle, one pistol and one good fighting knife. If the only firearm you have is a rifle which for whatever variant of Murphy's law goes OOC you're humped. But if you have a pistol to fall back on it might not be that bad.
So as I see it there might be situations where your pistol is going to have to be primary because you can't have a rifle with you for whatever reason. Or your rifle is currently OOC. As well a good fighting/utility knife is simply too useful to be without. So I simply don't see ditching the pistol as being a reasonable option unless you're trying to get through some paranoid security screen where you couldn't bring the rifle anyway.
@@minarchist1776 Everyone is going to have to make their own call depending on their situation and situations change, but pistols will never be as effective as rifles when it comes to overt SHTF style scenarios.
Take your Casull for example. You keep it in a pack in your vehicle because it's convenient and a long gun would be too big and obvious since your work area is non permissive to firearms. Were it permissible and you wanted something extremely effective with you, it'd be a long gun.
And handguns do have their place. The very fact that you keep the Casull with you when you can't carry a long gun proves that and this is what I was saying. Handguns are convenient, but not effective when compared to long guns.
I even think there are some situations in SHTF where carrying a handgun in addition to your long gun makes sense and I didn't really get into it in the video. Let's say your main is a bolt action rifle. It wouldn't be hard to justify carrying a semi-automatic sidearm. Many handguns though will just be dead weight, seeing little to no use before the wearer gets smoked by a long gun while using their own long gun.
Thanks for the long, well-thought out comment. 🙏
Never thought about owning a handgun till I bought property in bear country. I have taken a few deer with the 1858 muzzle loader. Because its legal to hunt with. It's not gonna out perform the 357 or 308. I do some handgun hunting. But would rather use bow or rifle. Muzzle loading is really just putting meat on the table. Shtf I expect to see more animals like during lock down. One is none. Sitting butt too low to ground. As I frequently find my self on during hunting. I want a boot gun along with side arm. In case bear or moose gets jump on my from right side. I set rifle or bow down to field dress game. I practice the shit out of bear drills. Do keep in mind under rule of law limited to 6 rounds for legal hunting. 6 in rifle and 6 in handgun while bear hunting. Sounds like me hunting 11 rifle rounds in 2 mags and 6 shots in side arm. I carry primers and bullets for 357 and 308 in my possibles bag. To be able to reload primaries just in case. My 1858 is my trappers pistol.
Perhaps in rural areas. But in urban areas concealabiltiy is very important
I agree with that. To a point. There will be a point, depending on what version of SHTF we are talking about, where long guns will be where it's at, even in urban areas.
Matching pairs, pistol caliber carbine and matching pistol?
For me, I'll pass. If I'm going to carry a rifle, I want it chambered in a rifle cartridge. 🥳
What do you think about a pistol caliber carbine? I definitely prefer an intermediate rifle cartridge carbine. But I keep seeing 9mm ammo for sub $.40 a round. I mean I have what I feel is a decent amount of rifle ammo but I’m trying to get as much as possible before this years election. I can buy 1000rds of 9mm for the price of 500rds of the cheapest steel cased 55gn 5.56 ammo. Just thinking if I got 1000rds of 9mm a month till November that’s another 9k rounds. For the same amount of $ I’m looking at half that much ammo if I bought 500rds of 5.56 a month till then. I already have a couple 9mm carbines. A keltec sub2000 and a 10.5” ar9. So I guess what I’m asking would you rather 4500rds of 5.56 or 9k rounds of 9mm. Sorry I know my comments get kinda long winded lol
I would rather have a rifle with loaded mags and some spare ammo at home, I get having spare ammo at home ready to go but don't get too deep into it, would you use 4k in a survival situation or would you ditch most of it for weight to give you food space if you need to move on? If you are thinking "oh we'd move by vehicle" just remember fuel is only good for 6 months and supply would dry up quickly and vehicles are loud, so you'd probably be moving by foot or horseback.
so in short get an AR in 556/223 and however much ammo you can carry by foot then for training just remember to replenish what you use and remember FIFO.
@@David_Quinn_Photography yea I really already have more ammo and guns than me and 4 others could carry. Hopefully I don’t have to leave. But if I did I have plenty of loaded mags. I was just thinking if I went with 9mm I could have that much more lol. But I guess you are right if I had to go I’d have to leave most of it anyways
I would say a PCC is good for people that are friendly but never bought a rifle and if you want to extend the effectiveness of your handgun ammunition
Great video, here's a couple more things i dont hear many people talk about.. There won't be any game to hunt after the first month or two. When you have a million people with ar15s all leaving the cities after they've all been looted out. The game will disappear pretty fast-- just ask the Buffalo, lol... Also, there are going to be alot of abandoned and very hungry dogs that will likely start hunting in packs. These former house pets will be as dangerous as wolves and probably take alot of the game for themselves... after that's gone they will hunt humans. If you are lone wolfin it, your're going to die. Dont travel alone. As for the 20%/80%, you better be able to purify and carry plenty of water. A half liter is good for one hour. I carry 4 qts on my LBE which is good for about 8 to 10 hrs after that I better find more. If you go black on water you're dead. Your greatest asset will be whatever team you can put together or be part of. In a TEOTWAKI scenario you want all the eyes you can get so you have 360 awareness and security at all times!
Yep. Best have some kind of adequate calorie production, and the means to defend it.
I agree with you about the time period in which carrying a handgun will be most useful. Your scenario where you have only a rifle with you and you lean it against a tree while cutting firewood is one where i kinda disagree, sorta. Whether this is a good idea or not depends on a few factors. How far away are you gonna get from the rifle? How well do you know your surroundings? Is there enough noise to prevent you from detecting someone rolling up on your position rapidly? If you're running a chainsaw the answer is likely yes. If you look up to see the muzzle of your own rifle pointing at you, then you're in a far worse position than you'd be armed with "just" a handgun. Best practice would be to always have someone watching your six if at all possible of course.
This is putting one person's situation into a one size fits all category.
Not everyone lives in a field in the middle of nowhere with 1 neighbor 4 miles away.
There are multiple types of societal breakdown and multiple levels of severity.
Some cases, a commuter that rides the bus or train and still goes to work during the chaos will want a handgun.
The end of normalcy does not mean the end of all authorities.
It is very likely that heavily armed trigger happy cops or soldiers will be all over the place in populated areas for the beginning and well into the duration of an event.
Guess what happens to the guy walking around with a rifle slung?
Some soldier with a mounted 240b hits him with a burst, that's what.
Do you think the cops will show up after their paychecks stop? I’ll give it two days without a paycheck and you can’t find a cop who is married or has kids. I’ll give the young single one two pay cycles.
The US is the most armed nation in the world. As a vet I’ll tell you that we saw locals in Iraq and Afghanistan with guns all the time. If they weren’t pointed at us we let them keep going. Those countries aren’t even in the top 5 of armed civilians.
Also in cities the gangs have handgun, right now most homicides are committed with handguns, it’s not even close.
These are who are going to be shooting at you. Do you want to be evenly matched if you are outnumbered?
Friend, the first couple weeks I hope you don’t have to go out. By the time you do there won’t be cops. If there still are, and not smoking political dissidents for empower Harris then it isn’t SHTF.
If it’s a two week thing, eat your beans and stay home.
They will still pay feds, state police, and military.
@@hansblitz7770 with what? Your assuming that in SHTF banks will still be up and running, money will still be worth anything, the situation won’t be so bad that the cops would still be willing to leave their families and homes unguarded, not dead, and you’ll be the only guy with a gun to where you would stand out.
Cops walked off the job over BLM riots and a whole department would rather sit in safety behind a school wall while screaming kids were being massacred down the hall for 20 minutes.
Ever been to a store when the internet goes down and they can’t run a card. Even if the state was giving IOU’s because their required direct deposit doesn’t work that’ll last about as long as the staties panty holds out at best.
That’ll last about two pay cycles at most.
If that’s it then stay home and eat beans.
I don't disagree with you. I think I basically agreed in my video. That initial turmoil may last months and months. It's always situational. In a long term, nationwide SHTF, I don't believe a handgun is the 20% that will produce 80% of the results for most people. Some, yes. Most, no. There is no cookie cutter approach to SHTF. 🙏
@@efficientinthefield yep, I’m also pointing out that if there is rule of law that has cops paid via their required direct deposit and able to access their accounts it isn’t SHTF it is civil unrest. If it’s an invasion, civil war, or serious natural disasters that rises to the level of SHTF not a temporary hazard the cops just aren’t that loyal.
They abandoned a big area in Seattle, they hid in safety while kids were being shot in Uvaldi, thousands left over vax mandates (kudos on that one but it shows they aren’t that loyal to state government). They have families, homes, friends, dogs, and stomaches of their own and wearing blue polyester doesn’t change that.
Besides that if it is the chaos of a true SHTF situation cops will either be targets, or in some situations going turncoat on their fellow citizens and armed or not will have less to do with them shooting you than your political affiliation.
If it’s an earthquake, flood, civil unrest, fire, or Black Friday sale go visit family and watch it on TV or watch out the window, eat your beans, and it’ll probably blow over in a few weeks.
In young kid video games speak SHTF is “Fallout” and situations where there are still cops is Grand Theft Auto.
In one you are drinking from a dirty mud puddle, in the other Wendy’s is on fire
from the owner of a 460s&w performance center (can also shoot 454 casull), Ill take almost any rifle over that handgun for active moving and shooting or at any range. a rifle will always be more accurate... that being said its still a hell of a day when i bring it out to the range
Ive transition most of my handhuns to 5.7 and in the process of building them in the AR platform. For me, it just made sense.
Brit here, We’re it possible my choice would be a rifle (M4, Colt Canada) in 5.56mm NATO ammo + optic. With a pistol I think it would be something in 9mm or possible .380/5.7. + optic, reason being it would only be used for CQB against other humans. Ultimately you want to be able to carry a lot of ammo (in mags) To complement these, I would have a respirator and some CS gas grenades. Not that many people in a SHTF scenario would have those items, and would greatly enhance your survival in a fight. (home or similar environment)
Yup, what you say makes sense, i would still carry the handgun and mags, but certainly extra mags for the long gun, always.
I’m gonna strongly disagree with the idea that a handgun isn’t part of the 20% of gear that does 80% of the work. In fact, I’d go as far as to say that a handgun is your most important weapon. Why?
Just because there’s some kind of disaster, doesn’t mean you aren’t dealing with people. People are always threat #1 and unless you’re at war, you don’t bring a rifle with you everywhere you go. That’s a quick way to get singled out as a target or a threat.
You need to work with people and you need to protect yourself from them. There’s also a distinct possibility of a government or militia filling the power vacuum and they probably won’t take kindly to anyone kitted out like GI Joe.
Rifles and shotguns are great for hunting, or for when things go loud, but things won’t go loud for two years straight unless you’re fighting a war.
The SHTF discussion on my channel is based on a nationwide situation that is lasting. The end of the world as we know it. This is my thoughts based on that situation. 🙏
@@efficientinthefield Fair enough. If you're assuming a total societal collapse I'd agree with you about handguns.
@@Lakikano Yeah, usually I'm talking about the darker, more permanent varieties of SHTF, but the reality is that it's a sliding graph. Let's just say stagflation and the collapse of the dollar and that's it. A handgun can definitely be the 20% that will produce 80% of the results. I just think we're looking at multiple SHTF scenarios on the horizon, some coming in hot. 🙏
Absolutely great discussion
Only reason i would choose a pistol is if u had to covert and dont wanna look suspicious like u said easy to hide in the very beginning of sift or say a red dawn situation where u gonna get shot or rounded up if they see u with a weapon
Pistol in the bag for me and now off the hip. Less shit hanging off me. But still there in case the long one gets hit and disabled. If you are truly worried that 15 will go down make sure you have the lower parts kit with sprinng and a little bit of oil in the grip handle. Very good topic. Thanks
I will agree 100% that 98% of the time you will not need a handgun. Just like 98% of the time you don't need a 4x4.
But when you do need it. You need it very badly and nothing else will work.
And on transition you will probably never need it especially with a quality rifle. But if you every do need it its worth having.
Yes and I think the 2% when you'll need them is in that initial window of SHTF. 🙏
I bought 100 plastic dummy rounds me and my crew load each other’s mags during a training day. We have gotten good at clearing problems
That’s a damn good idea. The randomness would put your skills to the test for sure.
@@kennynicely9676 it will ruin that perfect run you’ve been training for but in turn gives reps on shit that really matters when the skill is needed
@@CotyNeighborsGood idea, I'll be stealing it. Thanks brother.
I do the same, give it to someone else to load and give it true randomness.
If you have had a spent cartridge fail to extract on your M4 in the middle of some shit you can understand the necessity of that sidearm and that mulitool or blade easily accessible.....
Wow, those sunglasses were so cool in the 90s.
Totally spot on brother. I feel like people focus on trinkets and flashlights on pistols for ccw. Ask em how many self defense shootings have been all about the flashlight use?
I'm not claiming to be an expert by any means, but let's say you're out there in the sticks deer hunting or something like that with a rifle that doesn't have a high capacity. I can see carrying a handgun for personal protection either from dangerous animals or the spontaneous person you might bump into in such an event. Normally when I go deer hunting I load my rifle and that's all the ammunition I take out with me for the day. Unless I shoot something, and plan on going back out. In my rifle I believe it's 5 rounds all together. On the other hand you mentioned opportunistic hunting. I know it's not a possibility for everyone but having a suppressed 22 pistol may seem like a good idea to take small game without drawing too much attention to yourself. The same could be said if you're using a different kind of main weapons such as a crossbow or more traditional bows.
The thing to remember when comparing pistols to rifles is that they are the same technology except that the pistols have additional size and weight constraints. If they made a pistol that was better than rifles, they would add a stock to it and lengthen the barrel and make an even better rifle.
As slow as www 3 has been moving a handgun concealed carry will be 80% for longer then expected. Although a handgun in 5 7 x28 is best mini rifle in my mind
You're better off stockpiling food than you are scavenging for food or hunting when shtf. But you never know what might happen.
100% agree. 👌
I don’t think you’re wrong for the scenario you’re constructing here. I’d just think that most people are more likely to spend two weeks sleeping in the Astrodome than running around the woods like the wolverines. Pistol offers a “social” versatility where it can’t be seen.
I think if you can dig into historical accounts, you will find that the old long hunters and trappers added handguns to their kit at their first opportunity to do so. It was even more important in a time when the primary only held one shot, and to reload was a relatively long and tedious process.
I kind of bounce in and out of the topic here and there and that's not really what I'm seeing, but I'd be happy to read over any citable source you have on the topic.
I just read an article written by Charles Hanson Jr. called "Fur Traders' Pistols" and his opening paragraph breaks down my view. "Some" of the firearms used by fur traders were pistols. Not half, most, a lot, just some. Long Hunters used them even less from what I've read.
Then there's the Indians, which I failed to mention in my video. They were living in the same place at the same time and had hardly any love for pistols. They very much preferred the long gun. As you pointed out, modern technology has changed the game even more. 🙏
45.5 oz is my total carry weight with my sig 322 all 200 rounds loaded in magazines on body and one in the pipe, with the help of a 511 vest, for my urban close quarters only needs it's more fire power then a rifle I have to get from the car when seconds matter in the mall or my public places, with a 22 head hunter mode for defense if say mass shooter, the IDF forces have taken many with a 22 but you must train run and gun making shure you get heart and head shot training is good, it's different then the military in private citizen defense situations because you have to go from mall and run hundreds to the car when seconds matter, so in some locations I may be the best Army in that area when seconds matter. The sig 322 is just one gun and caliber I carry occasionally
I can hit anything I can see with my rifle. My pistol... Not so much.
Ima have a couple I got one pistol thats going in the bag it's a saa 22 lr that I hunt with then going to be fullsize 9mm and some sort of long gun
If you hit what you're pointing at, dead is dead and the only difference is one will make a bigger hole!!!
I"v'e shot with the best there is, in world level IPSC tournaments. When you aint got ear protection, the targets move, use cover, shoot back, etc, 10m is a LONG shot, guys. Once the longarms come out, no pistol amounts to a hill of beans. Best keep it small, lw, with small, lw ammo and dont bother to carry much ammo for it, or even cache much ammo for it, cause you'll never survive needing to fire more than a very few rds thru it. You wont survive needing to fire very many centerfire rifle rds, either.
You have to AVOID people, by staying a tunnel for year, while the 99% die off. Night vision, night sights, solar charger, batteries, silenced shorty AR in 223,, with a 22lr conversion unit, BETTER stay either in your hands or on your assault sling. Come out only at night, only for an hour. so you can cook a meal. Have a year's supply of food scatter-buried around your BOL. Use nail-sandals any time you're within 50m of a cache or either of the two concealed lids as the ends of your 10m long tunnel. Dig it after shtf, cause you can do so in a week come and go at different ends, from different angles, so you dont beat a path.
After a year, it'll be much safer to have small, hidden plots of peanuts, root veggies, sprouts. The fish and game will all be gone in 2 months. 90 days in, the cannibalism will start in-earnest. It only takes one person to kill you and there will be millions of people everywhere. You can't make noise, be out in daylight, or show a normal light at night. or youll get shot.
When the lights go out the ones who turn on generators and flashlights will go first. Youre absolutely right on all points.
I forget who said the quote " A Pistol is used to fight your way back to your Rifle."
A 308/6.5 18in would be good, while also having 16-18in 5.56. Maybe one short barreled rifle if you feel the need. Plus always have extra gas rings, retaining pin, firing pin and bolt.
Yeah that’s a no. My sidearm is not going to be left discarded. A single sidearm as a redundancy is a non negotiable item. You can toss yours away if you feel you can’t carry 20 ounces but not me. A rifle is primary but a sidearm is a mandatory supplement. It’s not a question of which is more powerful. It’s a failsafe, redundancy, plan B. When you get jumped and have your rifle taken away remember this video.
I Stay in CA. My frist firearm is a hand gun. 9ml. Also have a rifle chambered in 9ml and my reson why is to only worry about one callaber. But I need a 5.56. The reson why I haven't picked one up is because I want a reliable rifle out the box and the choice between "fixed" and I don't remember the other that dosent help to be Efficient with the mag release. If anyone can point me in the right direction, much appreciated.
consider the FK Brno. 7,5, 10mm, 40mm and 9mm. but rifles are better.
Its interesting to hear experienced opinions and have discussions on this topic. Im sure you ruffled some feathers with this one.
I tend to agree with most of what you said. Ive never been in a combat environment. I have been living that pre-post apocalypse lifestyle off and on for 20 years. Minus the human threat. Mostly. As far as food gathering goes my ruger single six is part of that 20%. I always carry it when im not in town and i can hit with it. My best shot was probably on a chicken killing fox that was running from my cat 55 yards away. Quick draw, 2 shots. 1 through the chest 1 broke the back leg. Two witnesses that still tell the story whenever they get the chance. I ate the fox that ate the chicken. That gun has taken many squirrel, hairs and other critters for the pot because i was carrying a slung rifle and didn't want to use it on small stuff. Rifle kills big stuff. 22lr/.22wmr revolver kills small stuff. In my actual lived experience that revolver is part of the 20%. The gun, holster, second cylinder and ammo dont weigh enough for me to consider leaving it behind if im only carrying my ak because i have to move out of my area on foot refugee style. Ak mags and ammo are too heavy to consider carrying a 9mm with spare mags and ammo when its only purpose is secondary defense and isn't anywhere near as efficient for filling a hungry belly. At least in my hands. Id rather carry more rifle ammo.The revolver rides high on my right hip tight to the body in a pancake holster that covers everything but the grip. It doesn't get in the way unslinging a rifle, or swinging an ax, etc. I walk or work all day with it on my side without really noticing it and roll up in my blanket at night with it still on. Obviously its not the best choice for defense use. Under powered, low capacity, slow reload etc. but if i had to walk through an area where the ak would have to be stowed in the pack or bed roll to not draw attention then the revolver will still be there under my shirt or coat. Better than nothing. But for me that kind of scenario is just speculation. I cant see leaving it behind.
For me its situational. Am I going on a patrol? Then yes its ok to carry a side arm cause Im running light and only carrying minimal gear and will be back to B.O. in 12 to 24 hrs. If Im rucking out for more than 24hrs, then I may consider swapping out pistol and mags for more rifle mags. I think for most its a security "feel" to have "something" if your rifle goes down or you run out of ammo for it. Yes it can contribute to the volume of fire theory if you are in a group out to 150 yards but you are really just lobbing it out there to keep rounds going in the other direction and if you made a meaningful hit it would be pure luck. Like I said for most its a security "feel" that if their rifle goes down they dont feel a$$ out and defensless even tho they really are vs a rifle.
I agree with this. 🙏
Save yourself 5 to 8 lb with a pistol and ammo and use that weight to carry spare parts, repair/ cleaning gear and ammo for your main. You've convinced me man!
I love me my jm 940 with some 1050 bar buckshot !