Had this been available last year, I'd have jumped on it. I've been holding off getting a smart phone because Google is evil, and Apple is greedy. But now I'm gonna get one of the two Linux phones soon.
Interesting! I can see this deal working further in a bidirectional way: sure, KaiOS gets to keeps its UI and API proprietary, its ad-based revenue model, so on. BUT Mozilla in turn is now compelled to dedicate efforts into optimizing Firefox for low-powered devices *and* has to adapt the codebase to be able to make B2GOS-like builds once again. This seems to point at being able to build custom Firefox OS(-like) builds in the near future, as 78 Nightly is coming out in May and 78 ESR in July, and would mean the OS could be reborn in its original form! Thanks a lot for the news!
The biggest problem on keeping someone making Firefox OS builds (AFAIK), is that there was no effort on bringing Quatum, or someone to set up Quantum. So it was sooner or later going to languish on a lack of updates. While most of the Firefox OS web services like the app store are certainly dead or near the guillotine, if there's someone mad enough to make PWAs (the panacea the Firefox team wanted) work I could totally see it floating around some other alternative Linux based mobile OSes.
@@saulnunez2625 I mean, if you've understood the video, you'll know the idea is to bring that post-Quantum Firefox to KaiOS with up-to-date PWA support. The interesting part will be to see if they upstream and release the required refactoring for that to happen, which Mozilla being Mozilla, seems most likely.
@Lucas Zhu Hmm, why? GeckoView should satisfy any Android needs, right? Or wait, sorry, you mean porting the Firefox for Android UI to KaiOS? That one completely depends on KaiOS, unless there's some way to customize the system on your own.
i hope this works out for both companies, and i also hope they branch out to smart phones to give some competition to Android and iOS we need a new phoneOS.
@@tvrtkoharapin8809 It seems like Google is readying its own KaiOS competitor as well if the rumors are true. Perhaps their plan for now is paying them to include Google apps by default.
KaiOS will never work. I'm a developer and was interested in getting a #KaiOS phone to play around with creating apps. I was unable to find a decent 4G or wifi phone for USA. The best I could find was the #Alcatel A405DL, but it has a *tiny* screen (which all of their phones seem to have) and is *locked* to Tracfone. Not having a reasonable phone for developers == very quick death. What the hell, #Mozilla?
I think Microsoft should have gone with Webkit, it's also open source and they would have a lot of leverage considering that Apple basically develops it alone with some Linux guys nowadays, they wouldn't need to fight Google for features upstream or stuff like that.
@reddit-turken Well.... Chromium's Blink engine is a fork of Apple's WebKit, which is based on KDE's WebKit and KHTML, so Apple is actually before Google in the forking of code. So Safari is not based on Chromium, it's Chromium that's based on Safari, sort of...
@@dmhendricks Android is basically the most viable thing in the universe because it's like having windows but in a Linux basis that also has cheaper clone hardware that even Microsoft favors and their smartphonesand the fact is no matter what obscure operating system you're going to use you're still going to use Google source code because Google has everyone on their side to back up the use of scripts which any proprietary operating system is obsolete no matter how good it is because it is absolutely inferior to Google and without Google scripts you can't even use the higher functions of the internet so you might as well just be using a legitimate flip phone from the year 2000.
I don't understand why 7 times as many PC-users use Chrome than Firefox. For a while Chrome was faster but these days Firefox is as good as Chrome. Perfect? No. But it is as fast, it has all the add-ons, it can easily be customized and there hasn't been a serious bug for a long time. Chrome spies on the users, Firefox won't as long as you don't allow it to do that. Did Chrome win the battle because mobile-phone users automatically get Chrome when they use Android?
Because you also know that most of the websites are optimized for chrome and chromium derivatives. Google also does shady things like it takes much more time to load youtube on chrome rather than in Firefox because Google use obsolete apis in order to make their web apps appear slow in Firefox. Thirdly people are lazy and mostly don't give a damn about privacy.
on mac (mb air 2017) it performance sucks in comparison to chrome based browsers and safari, for example. I'd love to use it, but it simply works worse then other browsers.
Like Firefox os, Firefox browser will also die slowly because Firefox users are not growing now. It's a fact. Future is either chrome or chromium derivatives like Brave, Edge, Vivaldi etc.
True but it's a package deal. If you run gecko, your JavaScript engine is SpiderMonkey (the latest being the OdinMonkey engine) and Gecko is simply not built to handle anything else.
@@bbenny9033 not really, who really uses jacks in 2020, or 2021? More and more people have Bluetooth headphones since they're getting cheaper. What's the point in removing space that you can use for battery or cameras or literally anything else for a headphone jack that a small niche market needs. If you're broke and genuinely can't afford a Bluetooth headset, buy a cheap phone with a jack
Him that page doesn’t mention a lot of other privacy focused search engines, such as start page. I trust Ecosia’s privacy policy and their transparency report, and being an environmentalist myself I think their unique approach has merit.
a lot of fans also compete to see who can get the first dislike... I heard from youtubers that if you initially make your vidro private, dislike it, and only then make it public, the second dislike takes a lot longer to arrive
I have a theory that RUclips creates dislikes artificially because sometimes it just can't be I've had some random videos that didn't have even 10 views with a dislike, I had one where I uploaded a 5 seconds video with a picture (I was testing some editing stuff) with a bunch of numbers on the title and got a dislike
I just searched for kaiOS phones and dang the TELMA WI-KIF + 4G sounds like a good phone. Battery life, Bluetooth, wifi, GPS. If you don't care that much about touch screens that is a very good phone, the only thing holding it back imo is the microSD storage limit. I wish kaiOS phones had a better global market rather than just 3rd world countries. Haven't heard anything about kaiOS in South America.
I am surprised this is actually getting popular. I mean I get it it's pretty cheap, but I would have legitemately thought everyone was trying to move to the touchscreen based phones and trying to make that as cheap as possible
Luigi Tecnologo it really depends, Firefox has an issue where it won’t free up ram after you close the tab, but it also uses up less ram per tab, and BY FAR Mozilla has the better documentation
The only reason I can think that KaiOS is not adopting the tracker blocking is so they can have a revenue stream from ads. I'm not really comfortable with that.
I was interested in this operating for a long time. I am still waiting for a qwerty KaiOS device made by Nokia or another western brand. I do wonder if someone is making that device. Do you have any hint on that?
To be completely honest even if they could somehow get enough support to rebuild it for smartphones, they would get a lot of people to use it. As long as it has Linux and security. Pine phone is a Linux phone, sadly it's very underpowered but it's a step in right direction.
I am less optimistic about KaiOS. According to stat counter, KaiOS has dropped 80% in terms of web traffic. We have just released a KaiOS app for my walkie talkie app (www.voicepingapp.com). We are #2 in utilities as of this writing and getting a whooping 20 users a day. We will put in a few more versions and hope it pays off.
@Lucas Zhu I know the whole story. I was expecting LG to use it on phones, not tv. Yeah, I know about Lune but it's work in prograss. Not really compatible with a lot of devices.
I just want another Engine than Chromium to succeed as well as a new mobile OS to succeed... Seeing all that commercial, non-consumer-focused nonsense of Apple, Google, Samsung etc makes me cry
unfortunately the Nokia 8110 does not receive an update. You will not receive version 3. Since it is running an older version 2.5, it is also listed in small print on the kai website ... unfortunately
if kaios even gave the tiniest fucl abt privacy and wasnt so connected to Google (related probably) i would love to buy a kaios feature phone and just call ot a day
I'm literally watching this in Firefox on mobile. And also using it on PC too. I have never seen anyone using a feature phone, but I hope they will profit from this deal
@jocaguz18 Android isn't a monopoly, it's open source. Android and Google aren't the same thing. Fire OS is Android without Google services or apps as is Android in China
@jocaguz18 the truth is stranger than fiction because Google and apple as a business model are favorable to be on each other's side however no matter what Google copies aesthetically from Apple Android undoubtedly is a stab at windows specifically the portable market which in a programming concept Android is identical to Apple in terms of replicating program languages with script however Android specifically uses JavaScript which are favorable to Windows Google basically strangled Microsoft into giving up their proprietary formats which Microsoft used to monopolize the internet for so many years so it's undoubtable to say that Google and apple will definitely side with each other to take on the threat of proprietary programming however you cannot call Google and apple a bully because Microsoft had neglected the advancement of smartphones when they had the chance years ago because of small mindedness not realizing how touch screens can make small computers more viable and that's the reason why Microsoft is now a third party developer and for lack of a better term Microsoft is basically an Xbox toy company and Android is the only thing leading the business market if anything ever happened to Windows like Microsoft giving up on it completely Google would basically rule the world more than they already do and I don't see any reason to fight Google with Firefox because they use the same Google source codes as does everything unless it it would be useless anyway because Google could just blacklist it.
@Paradoxical Nightmare Android is definitely a monopoly for a business Enterprise users which is the exact same Monopoly Microsoft had built up for many years and now Google has stolen the portable industry by getting everyone on their side to use Google's source code over proprietary formats so no one really has a choice but to use Google software otherwisewhatever problems Google Apple and Microsoft have with each other they would definitely put that aside to get rid of some proprietary garbage like Firefox OS.
@Paradoxical Nightmare Sir despite Android being the holy Grail of Linux Google is still guilty of monopolizing software because Microsoft really had no choice but to except Google's new universal formats which in the end Google has control over and no matter what web browser you use it will still use Google's standard otherwise it will simply not work or be extremely limited. Consider the fact that Android has a limited lifespan which if you have an older version of Android that you like you would have no choice but to upgrade do you certain software because Google prevent you from downloading it even if your Android has all the necessary hardware.
@Paradoxical Nightmare Yes I understand but Google is still the one who controls to distribution of Android and can easily make Android upgradeable via SD card sold on their website or something like that instead of allowing users to be at the mercy of a carrier or going through a complex process of forcing a operating system update which can result in making a phone or tablet unusable.
After closely watching the development of KaiOS for several years now, I can just say KaiOS is dead. The core idea was very clever and cool but the implementation and team management was a disaster. The whole system is sluggish, typing the messages is a nightmare, there are no regular updates so far, no bugfixes, after Covid the whole development activity has just frozen. Also the Google and Meta took away from the platform and are not updating their apps for new KaiOS releases, so you will not see any Whatsapp or Google Maps on 3.0+ KaiOS versions. Nokia backed by HMD Global is slowly moving to use a new operating system: Mocor OS made by Unisoc. It is basically a Linux kernel and high performance native UI. It can translate most of the Android apps to native code. Although it has no app store, the apps could be easily migrated by vendors to this platform. Most of the new Nokia's feature phones based on Unisoc chipset use Mocor, despite the wrongly stated Series 30+, which is BTW also dead. Why? There is no native support for 4G and never will be for Series 30+. If you see a feature phone with 4G than it is either older KaiOS model or Mocor behind the scenes. All countries are phasing out old 2G/3G networks, the Series 30+ will dissapear soon, as HMD Global is not planing to invest further developoment in it. As of now the Mocor is the only progress in the feature phone market I have seen. I would be happy with Series 30+ and 2G for the next 20 years, but sadly it is not my decision to turn off all the 2G towers in favor of 4/5G.
Update: After 2019 Mediatek started to use the Nucleus RTOS (acquired by Siemens) as their base for Mediatek MAUI Runtime Environment, which is now a default platform for Nokia Series 30+ for low-end feature phones (because Series 30+ could be run also with Mocor and Linux kernel on middle-end feature phones, you never know when you buy a new phone, it could be identified only on the subtle UI differences). And good news here is: Nucleus RTOS has native support for 4G. It is possible that Mediatek will take it for the MAUI Runtime Environment and hence Nokia/HMD Global for their Series 30+ platform. Both of them made some modifications to their platforms, in best-case scenario they both will decide to continue support also 4G. The consequence would be, there is still a hope for basic low-end phones with 4G support. Remember, there are 3 categories of embedded systems, based on their HW resources and performance: Real time operating systems (RTOS) such as Series 30+/Mediatek MAUI -> Linux kernel such as Mocor -> Android. More power you have, more energy you need. Long live the Series 30+!
I have worked on this project and launched two phones in France and West Africa. Shame it was stopped so soon. The big mistake IMO is choice of Orange partner who did not know what open source meant.
Really nice, does this mean FirefoxOS apps will be installable, Firefox will be avail in mini Gecko edit and I hope FirefoxOS / KaiOS 3 can be provided with Google apps, Tweeter and FB REMOVAL option. Its starting to be mini Android, and people love it for opposite.
Very interesting video. I'm actually quite intrigued to see where the platform may go from here. I'm tempted to pick up a Nokia phone with the existing KaiOS variant and see how it improves with Mozilla's new support! Great content!
So basically Firefox OS lessons learnt are now finally being implemented. I miss the Nokia asha devices especially a few amazing qwerty that boasted having WhatsApp
@chillidip: based on my experience with Firefox operating system I really don't think it could support something as complex as Spotify because I was seldom able to access basic web media besides I really garbage version of RUclips which I had not seen in a long time and I really don't see any advantage of Firefox because it is absolutely inferior to using Android Apple or any Windows product that has ever existed even Windows 3.1 is better than Firefox the phone.
The Digit 4G has reached a target price of 11 USD and Unisoc SC9863 has reached 136500 as AnTuTu score. I admit it, I'm a computer guy, so I wonder if b2g+Gaia could run on top of postmarketos so that an 11 USD piece of HW could possibly offer a DEX-like experience to anyone, whoever you are
I still kinda dont understand how exactly they going to support KaiOS in ESR. They spent HUGE amount of time ripping all B2G stuff out of code, without any regret. I know the released KaiOS 3.0 in December, but HOW? And that KaiOS going to do with Webrender, since Mozilla PUSH to ship it everywhere?
They Bring it Back... Android is being lazy Trashbin Ideas loophole slowing down phone and almost a OVER 1GB of needed tk run to order to operate is just plain linux kernel?
I am looking for an OS that is browser centered. I am building application in HTML5 javascript/php to distantiate from Android and Apple-IOS store. I am quite successfull, response time is instantaneous even querying server. Basic market is more and more mobile, I'll appreciate if they run an Open Source Linux + Firefox Browser rendering engine Gekco, on low cost devices that you can link with usb display, can KaiOs became my deployment platform.
KaiOS sucks at this point. It's slow af and offers no real advantage over other feature phone OS. It hardly can play music without freezing for eternity and let's not talk about the plethora of bugs. Jio was the only big company supporting them but they've parted ways now and I don't think KaiOS is ever going to ride the hype train ever again They also introduced restrictions to disallow developers from modifying their systems. BananaHackers(KaiOS custom ROM devs) found out massive privacy and security bugs in the OS and they haven't been fixed yet. This OS is a joke, a $22M worth of joke
Chrome, has shitty security. It's spies on you bad. Since using firefox, I have been more confident. It's such a beautiful software , For syncing on Multiple Device on top of Lockwise for master password use. Remember password wherever i ak is never a problem now
Hello there I am EED. Love this idea. I am a huge fan aunt mozella and the Firefox community. I am glad that kaios is kicking off like a rocket and taking Firefox and two other users and developers. I hope these two companies smash together the right way.
KaiOS is in a very sad state right now, putting device updates in manufacturers hands has shown that manufacturers will not push updates to older devices and Google is 100% dropping all support for the phones going forward. The Assistant app is even being removed from certain devices and functionality is limited. RIP KaiOS
KaiOS seems to me as just a platform to run sucky web apps on. And per my experience, even some older Symbian applications are more optimized than KaiOS ones. All in all, I don't like the direction that the IT industry is going. It's that stupid cloud thing everywhere. Why would you even want that? So if you run out of internet coverage, you're essentially left with a paperweight? I think this direction of IT development is just plain stupid by putting all eggs into the cloud basket. Wake up, people! We don't need the cloud now, as we didn't need it earlier either.
What kind of support does KaiOS need from Mozilla? The Firefox source code is completely open source. They could have easily done what Google and Android device makes do with the Linux kernel. Fork the project and than rebase it against mainline every couple of LTS versions.
Ok with the information. Very useful. So, KaiOS is using actually an old version of FFox engine. Is there exist another web browser for KaiOS or just the web browser included? And my last question is: all the KaiOS devices will receive an update for the OS when the new version of Ffox was integrated on the OS? I was thinking to buy a Feature phone for programming and testing purposes but now that I know about the OS I am in doubt. Thanks in advance for a response.
I've said this numerous times before (possibly even far down in the comments on this very video), but, why, given the recent fad for nostalgic/retro feature phones, hasn't BlackBerry released an updated Bold or Curve running KaiOS?
TVs still be rocking Firefox os. Better then somthing like LG generic "explorer" or whatever, although this is probably just a reskined bloated roll of Firefox anyway.
I don't trust any Mozilla. They made some really, really bad choices and very weird decisions in the past. Some things I just can't agree with. KaiOS is now bringing with it the consequences of such choices. I think one of the points that KaiOS got to it was that it was not owned by Google. Sure, they invested money on it, but it was not owned by them. Google keeps making some very shady stuff regarding privacy, and users who liked KaiOS, were, sometimes, looking for an alternative. Getting more in touch with mozilla, is putting KaiOS under that risk. Mozilla is not the same Mozilla as it was before. I hope they can keep their mission very clear from that, and refrain from messing up in decisions regarding privacy.
I think currently developing mobile Linux systems should ditch traditional GUI's and use Boot to Gecko instead, while still continuing to support a GNU command line for users that either want or need a CLI (such as sysadmins and developers)
Kyle s a k Firefox OS is garbage and you should avoid it because it's absolutely useless because it does not have any real laptop function in standards of Windows and Android users are concerned with portables okay smartphone,tablets ,surface and pixelbooks hell even a portable from the beginning of portables from the 1990s would be more useful than a Firefox AKA Kia os.
If nothing else, and this was discussed in another video about KaiOS, and this is where I'd get on board, is that I don't always want my grossly overpriced Samsung on me. There are times when I'd rather have a smaller phone, very inexpensive lest something happen to it, lighter weight OS and i may not necessarily need 12GB of ROM and all kinds of other high end specs. Sometimes a much simpler interface, lightweight beater phone is all I need. I'm just waiting for that one time when I drop this $1,100 beast, shatter the screen, and for whatever reason, Asurion tells me to go pound sand, and I'll still have another 18 months of payments for a phone that is completely nonfunctional. Plus there's Firefox too. I never really had any kind of chance to play with a Firefox OS phone, if one ever even made it to market at all, and I was interested in it the first time I heard about it. But like so many other new projects, you hear about it for weeks at a time, then it all dies down and the hardware or software is never released.
there is a need for multi device support OS, like windows and linux can be installed in any x86 devices, there should be a mobile equivalent of this, OS with single image file which can be installed in any android device using TWRP
it does not solve any problem, why we need it? low-end android devices and getting cheaper and cheaper, thinner, lighter, more powerful and competitive to their own flag-ship brothers and sisters. Before you try to convince the others with your thing, ask your self a major question, for what, and what problem it can solve, and what over-all value it can deliver!
That Nokia phone is pretty cool, it's like a 2020 sleek refresh of a 90's nostalgia trip. I wish other phone companies started making phones with more joyfull colors.
Hey I think Kai OSs full potential would be apparent with a td bit better hardware.... i am talking qwerty phones with bigger displays from nokia or with small trackballs
Try to get a Nokia 8110 4G, Nokia 2720 Flip or Alcatel Go Flip 3. These are the best offerings currently to try KaiOS. I have a 2720 Flip and it's my primary phone. I really like it, since I got bored of smart phones. The one I still use has the purpose of having important apps on it and listening to music streaming services on the go, but that's it. If I want to talk to people and get away of social media, I'd rather turn to my Nokia. It's also A FLIP PHONE! Who doesn't like to flip a phone?!
I've had a Nokia 8110 4G for almost a year now. KaiOS has all the essentials and then some. If you don't mind T9 typing, a mildly slower experience, and the lack of most Android or iOS apps, then it's fantastic and the phones that run it are priced really well. It really doesn't hurt to get one, even if only to try it out for a while.
ff for android is so slow. I keep thinking its a joke theyre playing on people. it cant be this slow I keep saying. to load a youtube page it takes 7-8 seconds. on opera its 1.5 seconds. home wifi. its a garbage browser in every way.
I don't know, it seems to me that Google investing $22 million should be a bit of a red flag. The entities backing something, whether it be tech related or in politics, can be an indicator of what's going on in the background.
Can not stand yet another proprietary player on the field pumping up bloated phones where the user and owner of the phone is not really in control. We need postmarketOS for smartphones and feature phones. Lord please hear my prayer: pmOS on a feature phone with up/down menus where calls and threaded text messages being the two main features.
Most of the Kaios devices are sold in India and most of the people who have these phones don't want there next new phone to be another feature phone. So unless Jio brings yet another extremly affordable feature phone with bundled voice/data plan this os is dead.
Here is the Twitter poll. Let me know what you think! twitter.com/TechAltar/status/1237727436604874754?s=20
Your hairs back?
@@aviking3942 Lol hahaha
Hey, what about 60fps???
Please, add captions :(
Had this been available last year, I'd have jumped on it. I've been holding off getting a smart phone because Google is evil, and Apple is greedy. But now I'm gonna get one of the two Linux phones soon.
Interesting! I can see this deal working further in a bidirectional way: sure, KaiOS gets to keeps its UI and API proprietary, its ad-based revenue model, so on. BUT Mozilla in turn is now compelled to dedicate efforts into optimizing Firefox for low-powered devices *and* has to adapt the codebase to be able to make B2GOS-like builds once again. This seems to point at being able to build custom Firefox OS(-like) builds in the near future, as 78 Nightly is coming out in May and 78 ESR in July, and would mean the OS could be reborn in its original form! Thanks a lot for the news!
The biggest problem on keeping someone making Firefox OS builds (AFAIK), is that there was no effort on bringing Quatum, or someone to set up Quantum. So it was sooner or later going to languish on a lack of updates.
While most of the Firefox OS web services like the app store are certainly dead or near the guillotine, if there's someone mad enough to make PWAs (the panacea the Firefox team wanted) work I could totally see it floating around some other alternative Linux based mobile OSes.
@@saulnunez2625 I mean, if you've understood the video, you'll know the idea is to bring that post-Quantum Firefox to KaiOS with up-to-date PWA support. The interesting part will be to see if they upstream and release the required refactoring for that to happen, which Mozilla being Mozilla, seems most likely.
@Lucas Zhu Hmm, why? GeckoView should satisfy any Android needs, right?
Or wait, sorry, you mean porting the Firefox for Android UI to KaiOS? That one completely depends on KaiOS, unless there's some way to customize the system on your own.
i hope this works out for both companies, and i also hope they branch out to smart phones to give some competition to Android and iOS we need a new phoneOS.
I have no idea why new OS are so intriguing. Competition in the space is always good, glad to see this.
Well it's not really competition as kai os only runs on limited feature phones, meaning it's a whole other category
Well, it is no competition when Google pays KaiOS and who knows how Facebook and Twitter Apps are spying under KaiOS?!?
I miss the times BBOS, FirefoxOS and Windows Phone were all still alive.
@@tvrtkoharapin8809 It seems like Google is readying its own KaiOS competitor as well if the rumors are true. Perhaps their plan for now is paying them to include Google apps by default.
KaiOS will never work. I'm a developer and was interested in getting a #KaiOS phone to play around with creating apps. I was unable to find a decent 4G or wifi phone for USA. The best I could find was the #Alcatel A405DL, but it has a *tiny* screen (which all of their phones seem to have) and is *locked* to Tracfone. Not having a reasonable phone for developers == very quick death. What the hell, #Mozilla?
Microsoft should have gone with Geko 🦎 instead of chromium🙁
@Edward Routley XCloud being Microsoft's own platform means they could put it anywhere they like.
@reddit-turken safari uses webkit abd chromiums engine was forked from webkit
I think Microsoft should have gone with Webkit, it's also open source and they would have a lot of leverage considering that Apple basically develops it alone with some Linux guys nowadays, they wouldn't need to fight Google for features upstream or stuff like that.
@reddit-turken Well.... Chromium's Blink engine is a fork of Apple's WebKit, which is based on KDE's WebKit and KHTML, so Apple is actually before Google in the forking of code. So Safari is not based on Chromium, it's Chromium that's based on Safari, sort of...
They probably didn't wanted to take risk
I love the obsession you have for Firefox OS. More viable operating systems are severely needed.
The keyword here is "viable," which Mozilla KaiFoxOS is not even remotely close.
@@dmhendricks Android is basically the most viable thing in the universe because it's like having windows but in a Linux basis that also has cheaper clone hardware that even Microsoft favors and their smartphonesand the fact is no matter what obscure operating system you're going to use you're still going to use Google source code because Google has everyone on their side to back up the use of scripts which any proprietary operating system is obsolete no matter how good it is because it is absolutely inferior to Google and without Google scripts you can't even use the higher functions of the internet so you might as well just be using a legitimate flip phone from the year 2000.
I don't understand why 7 times as many PC-users use Chrome than Firefox. For a while Chrome was faster but these days Firefox is as good as Chrome. Perfect? No. But it is as fast, it has all the add-ons, it can easily be customized and there hasn't been a serious bug for a long time. Chrome spies on the users, Firefox won't as long as you don't allow it to do that. Did Chrome win the battle because mobile-phone users automatically get Chrome when they use Android?
To me, its the account. I just lazy to type my google account again, and also other account that i store in my password manager.
Because you also know that most of the websites are optimized for chrome and chromium derivatives. Google also does shady things like it takes much more time to load youtube on chrome rather than in Firefox because Google use obsolete apis in order to make their web apps appear slow in Firefox. Thirdly people are lazy and mostly don't give a damn about privacy.
Google tells you to try Chrome when you google search on Firefox
on mac (mb air 2017) it performance sucks in comparison to chrome based browsers and safari, for example. I'd love to use it, but it simply works worse then other browsers.
Like Firefox os, Firefox browser will also die slowly because Firefox users are not growing now. It's a fact. Future is either chrome or chromium derivatives like Brave, Edge, Vivaldi etc.
Oho my boi here getting exclusive content and newss
Consistent hard work pays :)
2:42 Geeko is just a rendering engine
JavaScript and WebAssembly code actually runs on SpiderMonkey in Firefox
@Vizman216, keep telling that to yourself that he has to keep telling it to himself.
True but it's a package deal. If you run gecko, your JavaScript engine is SpiderMonkey (the latest being the OdinMonkey engine) and Gecko is simply not built to handle anything else.
Gecko is the whole thing. SpiderMonkey is a part of Gecko (a part that can be built and run independently, but Gecko heavily relies on it).
@Darshan Agyat Keep telling yourself...never mind, Imma head out 😆
Last time I was this early, headphone jacks were considered an “Essential”.
They still could, if Essential wasn't dead
they still are
@@bbenny9033 not really, who really uses jacks in 2020, or 2021? More and more people have Bluetooth headphones since they're getting cheaper. What's the point in removing space that you can use for battery or cameras or literally anything else for a headphone jack that a small niche market needs. If you're broke and genuinely can't afford a Bluetooth headset, buy a cheap phone with a jack
@@elijah4168 the problem is, that often the "new space" ist really used
@@yoursocialnetwork451 it is. Why have batteries been getting bigger? Because less and less phone have a headphone jack
The merger I wish for : Mozilla + KaiOS + Cloudflare + ProtonMail + Duckduckgo + Nokia
Lol. I love most of them. But yeah, most of them have lost a lot in the past.
With a support of Google Play Store ♥️
Currently I use : Mozilla Firefox + Cloudflare + ProtonMail + DuckDuckGo.
DDG is excellent, but I highly suggest you guys switch to Ecosia. Privacy focused as well, but good for the environment too.
Him that page doesn’t mention a lot of other privacy focused search engines, such as start page. I trust Ecosia’s privacy policy and their transparency report, and being an environmentalist myself I think their unique approach has merit.
I find your voice so peaceful
@Darshan Agyat haha
wow a dislike already. glad to see even the haters got notifs turned on
a lot of fans also compete to see who can get the first dislike... I heard from youtubers that if you initially make your vidro private, dislike it, and only then make it public, the second dislike takes a lot longer to arrive
I have a theory that RUclips creates dislikes artificially because sometimes it just can't be
I've had some random videos that didn't have even 10 views with a dislike, I had one where I uploaded a 5 seconds video with a picture (I was testing some editing stuff) with a bunch of numbers on the title and got a dislike
Amazing comment, buddy
I just searched for kaiOS phones and dang the TELMA WI-KIF + 4G sounds like a good phone. Battery life, Bluetooth, wifi, GPS.
If you don't care that much about touch screens that is a very good phone, the only thing holding it back imo is the microSD storage limit.
I wish kaiOS phones had a better global market rather than just 3rd world countries. Haven't heard anything about kaiOS in South America.
I am surprised this is actually getting popular. I mean I get it it's pretty cheap, but I would have legitemately thought everyone was trying to move to the touchscreen based phones and trying to make that as cheap as possible
I don’t get it why this channel is growing this slowly even though they upload top quality tech videos in a such regular fashion !
finally a tech youtuber who knows what he is talking about
Brave, Edge, Opera is Chromium.. I want know why they picked Gecko!
It’s just better
@@tipsoftech4428 Where? The benchmark says Chromium is better for performance and ram usage
Luigi Tecnologo it really depends, Firefox has an issue where it won’t free up ram after you close the tab, but it also uses up less ram per tab, and BY FAR Mozilla has the better documentation
@@hexandcube I agree, but I don't think the real reason is that. Other big companies use Chromium without worring about it
@@tipsoftech4428 It definitely isn't. It's still a bit laggy
The only reason I can think that KaiOS is not adopting the tracker blocking is so they can have a revenue stream from ads. I'm not really comfortable with that.
Does this mean that Mozilla (or some other company) can potentially come out with a product like Firefox OS with the new codebase?
Proud to be here so early :>
I was interested in this operating for a long time. I am still waiting for a qwerty KaiOS device made by Nokia or another western brand. I do wonder if someone is making that device. Do you have any hint on that?
I have the feeling nokia will make that one someday (since they got the asha brand back)
@@wordart_guian i do hope so too.
YES. Qwerty makes so much more sense than the T9s they've been reviving. Sadly the next phone they're resurrecting is XpressMusic
theres one called JioPhone 2 its from india and is way more cheap but it may not ship to your country
To be completely honest even if they could somehow get enough support to rebuild it for smartphones, they would get a lot of people to use it. As long as it has Linux and security. Pine phone is a Linux phone, sadly it's very underpowered but it's a step in right direction.
these feature phones are probably even more under powered than the Pine phone.
Anything to give Firefox a boost is good news in my book.
good morning
How to download firefox os on kaios tecno t901
I am less optimistic about KaiOS. According to stat counter, KaiOS has dropped 80% in terms of web traffic. We have just released a KaiOS app for my walkie talkie app (www.voicepingapp.com). We are #2 in utilities as of this writing and getting a whooping 20 users a day. We will put in a few more versions and hope it pays off.
I still miss WebOS. I think if had ended up somewhere else other than HP hands it would have succeeded.
@Lucas Zhu I know the whole story. I was expecting LG to use it on phones, not tv. Yeah, I know about Lune but it's work in prograss. Not really compatible with a lot of devices.
I just want another Engine than Chromium to succeed as well as a new mobile OS to succeed... Seeing all that commercial, non-consumer-focused nonsense of Apple, Google, Samsung etc makes me cry
unfortunately the Nokia 8110 does not receive an update. You will not receive version 3. Since it is running an older version 2.5, it is also listed in small print on the kai website ... unfortunately
if kaios even gave the tiniest fucl abt privacy and wasnt so connected to Google (related probably) i would love to buy a kaios feature phone and just call ot a day
I'm literally watching this in Firefox on mobile. And also using it on PC too. I have never seen anyone using a feature phone, but I hope they will profit from this deal
I am in love with you content.
Its 2022, nothing has improved. Not only that, you cant even run KaiOS on an SBC
Is there any cheap kai os phone i could try out (Germany) ? Im really tempted to use such phone.
What about already released devices like alcatel 3088 or nokia 8110-4g, will they get the KaiOS 3.0 Update too?
I just want a third mobile OS that would rival ios and android.
@jocaguz18 Android isn't a monopoly, it's open source. Android and Google aren't the same thing. Fire OS is Android without Google services or apps as is Android in China
@jocaguz18 the truth is stranger than fiction because Google and apple as a business model are favorable to be on each other's side however no matter what Google copies aesthetically from Apple Android undoubtedly is a stab at windows specifically the portable market which in a programming concept Android is identical to Apple in terms of replicating program languages with script however Android specifically uses JavaScript which are favorable to Windows Google basically strangled Microsoft into giving up their proprietary formats which Microsoft used to monopolize the internet for so many years so it's undoubtable to say that Google and apple will definitely side with each other to take on the threat of proprietary programming however you cannot call Google and apple a bully because Microsoft had neglected the advancement of smartphones when they had the chance years ago because of small mindedness not realizing how touch screens can make small computers more viable and that's the reason why Microsoft is now a third party developer and for lack of a better term Microsoft is basically an Xbox toy company and Android is the only thing leading the business market if anything ever happened to Windows like Microsoft giving up on it completely Google would basically rule the world more than they already do and I don't see any reason to fight Google with Firefox because they use the same Google source codes as does everything unless it it would be useless anyway because Google could just blacklist it.
@Paradoxical Nightmare Android is definitely a monopoly for a business Enterprise users which is the exact same Monopoly Microsoft had built up for many years and now Google has stolen the portable industry by getting everyone on their side to use Google's source code over proprietary formats so no one really has a choice but to use Google software otherwisewhatever problems Google Apple and Microsoft have with each other they would definitely put that aside to get rid of some proprietary garbage like Firefox OS.
@Paradoxical Nightmare Sir despite Android being the holy Grail of Linux Google is still guilty of monopolizing software because Microsoft really had no choice but to except Google's new universal formats which in the end Google has control over and no matter what web browser you use it will still use Google's standard otherwise it will simply not work or be extremely limited. Consider the fact that Android has a limited lifespan which if you have an older version of Android that you like you would have no choice but to upgrade do you certain software because Google prevent you from downloading it even if your Android has all the necessary hardware.
@Paradoxical Nightmare Yes I understand but Google is still the one who controls to distribution of Android and can easily make Android upgradeable via SD card sold on their website or something like that instead of allowing users to be at the mercy of a carrier or going through a complex process of forcing a operating system update which can result in making a phone or tablet unusable.
i'm way more willing to seriously consider jumping ship nowadays than i was when firefox os came out.
i hate google more than ever. and android sucks.
I have 20 dollar kai os phone. love it
So where is Google in this now? Or are they right out of the picture?
After closely watching the development of KaiOS for several years now, I can just say KaiOS is dead. The core idea was very clever and cool but the implementation and team management was a disaster. The whole system is sluggish, typing the messages is a nightmare, there are no regular updates so far, no bugfixes, after Covid the whole development activity has just frozen. Also the Google and Meta took away from the platform and are not updating their apps for new KaiOS releases, so you will not see any Whatsapp or Google Maps on 3.0+ KaiOS versions. Nokia backed by HMD Global is slowly moving to use a new operating system: Mocor OS made by Unisoc. It is basically a Linux kernel and high performance native UI. It can translate most of the Android apps to native code. Although it has no app store, the apps could be easily migrated by vendors to this platform. Most of the new Nokia's feature phones based on Unisoc chipset use Mocor, despite the wrongly stated Series 30+, which is BTW also dead. Why? There is no native support for 4G and never will be for Series 30+. If you see a feature phone with 4G than it is either older KaiOS model or Mocor behind the scenes. All countries are phasing out old 2G/3G networks, the Series 30+ will dissapear soon, as HMD Global is not planing to invest further developoment in it. As of now the Mocor is the only progress in the feature phone market I have seen. I would be happy with Series 30+ and 2G for the next 20 years, but sadly it is not my decision to turn off all the 2G towers in favor of 4/5G.
Update: After 2019 Mediatek started to use the Nucleus RTOS (acquired by Siemens) as their base for Mediatek MAUI Runtime Environment, which is now a default platform for Nokia Series 30+ for low-end feature phones (because Series 30+ could be run also with Mocor and Linux kernel on middle-end feature phones, you never know when you buy a new phone, it could be identified only on the subtle UI differences). And good news here is: Nucleus RTOS has native support for 4G. It is possible that Mediatek will take it for the MAUI Runtime Environment and hence Nokia/HMD Global for their Series 30+ platform. Both of them made some modifications to their platforms, in best-case scenario they both will decide to continue support also 4G. The consequence would be, there is still a hope for basic low-end phones with 4G support. Remember, there are 3 categories of embedded systems, based on their HW resources and performance: Real time operating systems (RTOS) such as Series 30+/Mediatek MAUI -> Linux kernel such as Mocor -> Android. More power you have, more energy you need. Long live the Series 30+!
I have worked on this project and launched two phones in France and West Africa. Shame it was stopped so soon. The big mistake IMO is choice of Orange partner who did not know what open source meant.
Here jio phone uses kiaos hongkong based.
@Techaltar , I would request you to please kindly make a video on Ratio OS of blloc phone zero 18
Please think on my request
Firefox BABY
Really nice, does this mean FirefoxOS apps will be installable, Firefox will be avail in mini Gecko edit and I hope FirefoxOS / KaiOS 3 can be provided with Google apps, Tweeter and FB REMOVAL option. Its starting to be mini Android, and people love it for opposite.
Very interesting video. I'm actually quite intrigued to see where the platform may go from here. I'm tempted to pick up a Nokia phone with the existing KaiOS variant and see how it improves with Mozilla's new support! Great content!
I love Firefox on my Android. I have yet to switch to it on Desktop though, but it's on my to-do.
Try Firefox preview on Android if you haven't yet. It's really nice :)
I want to love the new Firefox on mobile but the lack of gestures and dark mode for websites/DarkReader always makes me crawl back to Kiwi
If Firefox Os come back,,, I will create 15 canvas game and 15 app .... inshaallah.
So basically Firefox OS lessons learnt are now finally being implemented.
I miss the Nokia asha devices especially a few amazing qwerty that boasted having WhatsApp
I WANT FIREFOX OS BACK PLEASE
If Firefox wants to jump start their market share they need voice search.
You should also explore Linux phones. They're in their infancy, but I think they're gonna have a huge future.
All I need is spotify and I'm all in!!!
@chillidip: based on my experience with Firefox operating system I really don't think it could support something as complex as Spotify because I was seldom able to access basic web media besides I really garbage version of RUclips which I had not seen in a long time and I really don't see any advantage of Firefox because it is absolutely inferior to using Android Apple or any Windows product that has ever existed even Windows 3.1 is better than Firefox the phone.
Lets hope Firefox-OS comes back. I hope this is a push towards it.
The Digit 4G has reached a target price of 11 USD and Unisoc SC9863 has reached 136500 as AnTuTu score. I admit it, I'm a computer guy, so I wonder if b2g+Gaia could run on top of postmarketos so that an 11 USD piece of HW could possibly offer a DEX-like experience to anyone, whoever you are
I still kinda dont understand how exactly they going to support KaiOS in ESR. They spent HUGE amount of time ripping all B2G stuff out of code, without any regret. I know the released KaiOS 3.0 in December, but HOW? And that KaiOS going to do with Webrender, since Mozilla PUSH to ship it everywhere?
They Bring it Back... Android is being lazy Trashbin Ideas loophole slowing down phone and almost a OVER 1GB of needed tk run to order to operate is just plain linux kernel?
I am looking for an OS that is browser centered. I am building application in HTML5 javascript/php to distantiate from Android and Apple-IOS store. I am quite successfull, response time is instantaneous even querying server. Basic market is more and more mobile, I'll appreciate if they run an Open Source Linux + Firefox Browser rendering engine Gekco, on low cost devices that you can link with usb display, can KaiOs became my deployment platform.
KaiOS sucks at this point.
It's slow af and offers no real advantage over other feature phone OS.
It hardly can play music without freezing for eternity and let's not talk about the plethora of bugs.
Jio was the only big company supporting them but they've parted ways now and I don't think KaiOS is ever going to ride the hype train ever again
They also introduced restrictions to disallow developers from modifying their systems. BananaHackers(KaiOS custom ROM devs) found out massive privacy and security bugs in the OS and they haven't been fixed yet.
This OS is a joke, a $22M worth of joke
Ever heard of jio phone?
If not then hit like and make others notice this too
Chrome, has shitty security. It's spies on you bad. Since using firefox, I have been more confident. It's such a beautiful software , For syncing on Multiple Device on top of Lockwise for master password use. Remember password wherever i ak is never a problem now
Hello there I am EED. Love this idea. I am a huge fan aunt mozella and the Firefox community. I am glad that kaios is kicking off like a rocket and taking Firefox and two other users and developers. I hope these two companies smash together the right way.
KaiOS is in a very sad state right now, putting device updates in manufacturers hands has shown that manufacturers will not push updates to older devices and Google is 100% dropping all support for the phones going forward. The Assistant app is even being removed from certain devices and functionality is limited. RIP KaiOS
KaiOS seems to me as just a platform to run sucky web apps on. And per my experience, even some older Symbian applications are more optimized than KaiOS ones. All in all, I don't like the direction that the IT industry is going. It's that stupid cloud thing everywhere. Why would you even want that? So if you run out of internet coverage, you're essentially left with a paperweight?
I think this direction of IT development is just plain stupid by putting all eggs into the cloud basket. Wake up, people! We don't need the cloud now, as we didn't need it earlier either.
What kind of support does KaiOS need from Mozilla? The Firefox source code is completely open source.
They could have easily done what Google and Android device makes do with the Linux kernel. Fork the project and than rebase it against mainline every couple of LTS versions.
Ok with the information. Very useful. So, KaiOS is using actually an old version of FFox engine.
Is there exist another web browser for KaiOS or just the web browser included?
And my last question is: all the KaiOS devices will receive an update for the OS when the new version of Ffox was integrated on the OS?
I was thinking to buy a Feature phone for programming and testing purposes but now that I know about the OS I am in doubt.
Thanks in advance for a response.
I've said this numerous times before (possibly even far down in the comments on this very video), but, why, given the recent fad for nostalgic/retro feature phones, hasn't BlackBerry released an updated Bold or Curve running KaiOS?
TVs still be rocking Firefox os. Better then somthing like LG generic "explorer" or whatever, although this is probably just a reskined bloated roll of Firefox anyway.
Wao! .. very interesting news ... one question, is it possible to download this system to an Alcatel OT412 FirefoxOs
Anddd, a new OS for smartphones (FinnOS) is releasing soon that will also revive FirefoxOS too!
I don't trust any Mozilla. They made some really, really bad choices and very weird decisions in the past. Some things I just can't agree with. KaiOS is now bringing with it the consequences of such choices.
I think one of the points that KaiOS got to it was that it was not owned by Google. Sure, they invested money on it, but it was not owned by them. Google keeps making some very shady stuff regarding privacy, and users who liked KaiOS, were, sometimes, looking for an alternative.
Getting more in touch with mozilla, is putting KaiOS under that risk. Mozilla is not the same Mozilla as it was before. I hope they can keep their mission very clear from that, and refrain from messing up in decisions regarding privacy.
Good new, Windows Phone OS should also come back or atleast open-source.
I think currently developing mobile Linux systems should ditch traditional GUI's and use Boot to Gecko instead, while still continuing to support a GNU command line for users that either want or need a CLI (such as sysadmins and developers)
Kyle s a k Firefox OS is garbage and you should avoid it because it's absolutely useless because it does not have any real laptop function in standards of Windows and Android users are concerned with portables okay smartphone,tablets ,surface and pixelbooks hell even a portable from the beginning of portables from the 1990s would be more useful than a Firefox AKA Kia os.
If nothing else, and this was discussed in another video about KaiOS, and this is where I'd get on board, is that I don't always want my grossly overpriced Samsung on me. There are times when I'd rather have a smaller phone, very inexpensive lest something happen to it, lighter weight OS and i may not necessarily need 12GB of ROM and all kinds of other high end specs. Sometimes a much simpler interface, lightweight beater phone is all I need. I'm just waiting for that one time when I drop this $1,100 beast, shatter the screen, and for whatever reason, Asurion tells me to go pound sand, and I'll still have another 18 months of payments for a phone that is completely nonfunctional.
Plus there's Firefox too. I never really had any kind of chance to play with a Firefox OS phone, if one ever even made it to market at all, and I was interested in it the first time I heard about it. But like so many other new projects, you hear about it for weeks at a time, then it all dies down and the hardware or software is never released.
there is a need for multi device support OS, like windows and linux can be installed in any x86 devices, there should be a mobile equivalent of this, OS with single image file which can be installed in any android device using TWRP
Two years gone by ... no Whatsapp ... limited voice services ... very few devices in US market ... is this gaining any traction?
Currently using iOS 13 Beta and Android N. And probably add Nokia 2720 flip as my very personal phone.
it does not solve any problem, why we need it? low-end android devices and getting cheaper and cheaper, thinner, lighter, more powerful and competitive to their own flag-ship brothers and sisters. Before you try to convince the others with your thing, ask your self a major question, for what, and what problem it can solve, and what over-all value it can deliver!
That Nokia phone is pretty cool, it's like a 2020 sleek refresh of a 90's nostalgia trip. I wish other phone companies started making phones with more joyfull colors.
Hey I think Kai OSs full potential would be apparent with a td bit better hardware.... i am talking qwerty phones with bigger displays from nokia or with small trackballs
Please make it happens
If it happens I'll ask people what OS on your phone?
They'll answer KaiOS
Then I'll replying Kaio what? 😁
I'd like to try that KaiOS, I just love how mozzilla value privacy. Sad I couldn't get my hands on those firefox OS phone.
Try to get a Nokia 8110 4G, Nokia 2720 Flip or Alcatel Go Flip 3. These are the best offerings currently to try KaiOS. I have a 2720 Flip and it's my primary phone. I really like it, since I got bored of smart phones. The one I still use has the purpose of having important apps on it and listening to music streaming services on the go, but that's it. If I want to talk to people and get away of social media, I'd rather turn to my Nokia. It's also A FLIP PHONE! Who doesn't like to flip a phone?!
I've had a Nokia 8110 4G for almost a year now. KaiOS has all the essentials and then some. If you don't mind T9 typing, a mildly slower experience, and the lack of most Android or iOS apps, then it's fantastic and the phones that run it are priced really well. It really doesn't hurt to get one, even if only to try it out for a while.
Hold up. Does this have something to do with why Mozilla dropped PWA support and why it still only works (partially) on Android?
ff for android is so slow. I keep thinking its a joke theyre playing on people. it cant be this slow I keep saying.
to load a youtube page it takes 7-8 seconds. on opera its 1.5 seconds. home wifi. its a garbage browser in every way.
No disrespect to Mozilla, but this is the stupidest decision from Mozilla, wasting developer efforts. Although good in terms of research.
I just want a blackberry style phone that has good maps, what’s app, a music streaming service, Uber, and a solid browser to do the rest.
You mean like a KeyOne or Key2?
JioPhone 2 in India is very similar to BlackBerry
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 I think he means not running Android
I don't know, it seems to me that Google investing $22 million should be a bit of a red flag. The entities backing something, whether it be tech related or in politics, can be an indicator of what's going on in the background.
Can not stand yet another proprietary player on the field pumping up bloated phones where the user and owner of the phone is not really in control. We need postmarketOS for smartphones and feature phones. Lord please hear my prayer: pmOS on a feature phone with up/down menus where calls and threaded text messages being the two main features.
a low cost LTS mobile OS is needed.. Google is getting their greed fed by not stopping support after a few years.
Most of the Kaios devices are sold in India and most of the people who have these phones don't want there next new phone to be another feature phone. So unless Jio brings yet another extremly affordable feature phone with bundled voice/data plan this os is dead.
800 countries ????? Which planet are we talking about🤔🤔
Meego, Blackberry OS, Windows Phone, Symbian
Make a video on Google neighbourly app which announced to close its beta program in India @techalter
Mozilla Corporation (which works on Firefox) is not a non profit. Mozilla Foundations is a non-profit.
sucks that mozilla pulled the plug on FxOS. Im an app developer in that OS
Don’t assume Nokia will push updated OSes onto its new feature smart phone range though
My Panasonic TV will not be profiting from this I guess :(
What do you use for all the animations sliding around on your videos?
it is interesting how nobody uses Firefox on their android phone, it is my daily on both pc and android and it is splendid.
Anything to improve kaios which is quite shitty and poorly efficient today