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Why did Firefox OS fail when Chrome OS succeeded? And given the relative success of new, web-based phone platforms like Kai OS and Blloc, is it time to revive it again? - The Story Behind - Episode 44
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Second video edited by Adam. How do you like the editing? Any feedback?
Also, I shot this video in Adam's place hence why we temporarily have a new background :D
it is great
You know what, I like this background lol
I'm missing the great coloured lighting on either side of your face, but the motion graphics and lower thirds are looking great.
I think your personal editing or Adam editing is same quality, good job
Pretty good Adam
“Remember Firefox OS?”
Me: “Firefox had an OS??”
Yea man.. Me too..
Yup. From computers to washing machines.
Ya to many OS Smartphone before Android really dominate
Me too
I quess im a complete nerd then..
Like everytime someone is like:"What? This existed?" And im like "yes, what, you didnt know?"
The most underrated Tech RUclips channel!
Hey! I am your subscriber 😎😎
one of the more underrated ones
there are quite alot
Whoa!@@NtecPhones
@@lonewalkerofficial All thanks to my GPU (Acer laptop)
Needs more chapters
I draw parallells to Plan9, the unix operating system that also was "technology first". It's easier with software, as there aren't any manufacturer costs. The idea with Plan9 was to see "how far can we take the concept of ?" It gave birth to the /sys and /proc file system that was later adopted by Linux and some BSDs iirc. My point is: It was a research project, and the intent was never to create a meaningful product. Look, you could theoretically run Plan9 on your computer, but it would interface with your hardware as buttery smooth as Linux, but it was never meant to.
I see Firefox OS the same way. The idea for Mozilla was to see "how far can we take the concept of ?". We've gotten a lot of nice technology from this project, as mentioned in the video.
What about Ubuntu phone?
lol When will Linux Phone come out?
dead
@@renjithroy8422 Android is Linux
@@nororlol4life819 It uses the Linux kernel but it's quite heavily modified and not at all similar to the Linux desktop operating systems that use GNU.
@@SapphFire Yeah
I just disagree that google had a problem to solve. They had a vision for what the web should be just like Mozilla but the difference was that google had the money to keep producing a device that allowed them to keep pushing this vision forward even if it didn’t sell.
victornpb i agree with you, especially since most of google products did not do well, ie google plus, google allo
Getting everyone to accept apps over web sites seems to lead us to a place where someone can really control what and how we do everything.
I'm kinda surprised Chromebooks became as successful as they are today, but I think this mostly has to do with how limited, cheap and reliable they are.
Schools and similar settings love them. They're too limited to do stuff outside of the usual school stuff, they're often cheap to afford and not very prone to viruses or malware.
Nowadays they've gotten quite some functionality, but compared to a laptop running Windows they're still quite limited. But for €200, I'm tempted to recommend a Chromebook over a laptop as €200 laptops are usually utter garbage while the Chromebook just focusses on doing one thing - browse the web - and it does that really well, even on low-powered ARM-based systems.
The only problem with Firefox OS was it didnt have enough apps like Android did and people wanted those apps. They were already spoiled. It needed more time which most products of Mozilla never has because constraints.
@@99domini99 plus, i think it's all about their ecosystem also, so if you're using google services a lot, it's a good idea actuality to have a Chromebook #Or installing Chromos on low end/old laptop#
I remember they made an ad of a parody of "What does the fox say"
I blame that ad for their failure.
I doubt that caused any problems. Bad ads don't mean anything if people don't know they exist... that said it wasn't really that bad...
@@TheDeathmail careful. Someone might whoosh you
I bought Alcatel OT Fire 4012x in 2014, I still use it today (just I now Android 4.0 use instead of Firefox OS).
I now use it for alarm clock, music (AIMP), secondary device.
I really like the device, but I'm sorry for Firefox OS that was very short lived
(I'm sorry, this is Google Translate, I'm from Hungary....)
I love your type of story behind series..
I would like to see "Story behind" on Sailfish OS and why they choose to colaborate with Sony instead of Nokia, what is the future for them?
Already doomed
Yeah sailfish os looked pretty promising, sad we don't hear much about that nowadays ;-;
The app store is dead, many old apps don't even work anymore and no working navigation or propper email app. It's doomed as a consumer platform, and seems like Jolla is not even going that path anymore.
I really liked the concept of Firefox OS and the handling on the Phone....was quite sad to see it die. Still have my "Flame" but certainly not for my daily workhorse. Also there were some interesting features in Jolla Sailfish OS
Sailfish, Ubuntu, Firefox had potential back then but slow development makes them too slow to catch up to Android and the app gap grew too significant by then.
Sailfish had android app support from beta. It wasn't great, but after the 2.0 it bacame pretty good.
The point VAST numbers of nerds fail to recognise, is that the success of a technology product, or idea, is NOT simply as binary as it being a good design, technically. Too many ways to do the same thing = too much choice, and when there's no distinct USP of yet *ANOTHER* mobile platform over the existing, established ones, then... it ain't gonna sell. Joe public doesn't care about KFC or its Colonel, nor how open and tasty the hot sauce is, he just wants to sit down and eat, nourish his body and carry on.
Do you think ANYONE outside the technically-minded of us, CARE, or should he expected to care about what's running behind a screen they tap all day, pulling duck faces and browsing faceberk?🤦♂️
@@unlokia, yeah, that's the main problem, even minor improvements don't matter. That's why we are probably stuck with Android for a long time.
unlokia >too much choice
Apparently Jo Public is too stupid to understand more than two options.
Actually, looking at a lot of things, that's probably true.
I remember it had some weird ass emojis 😐
🍑
🐣
@@stayskeptic3923 lmao. That's funny
My phone doesn't have any ass emojis :(
They had an ass emoji?
We have had Chrome OS and Firefox OS. But can we get Internet Explorer OS? 🙏🙏🙏
First Opera OS or nothing more.
You remember that time Microsoft made Windows 8 and then Windows 10?
Windows 8 RT was basically that (RT was a seperate os)
Safari OS, Edge OS, Samsung Internet OS, torch OS, UC OS,
You have to use IE OS when you get to hell
Good product at the wrong time
same as Windows Phone
Ought it's released on 2018 it will be more successful.
TouchScreen was kinda new on worldwide at the time. people still scared and doubtful on buying it.
so they stick on buying samsung/apple.
It wasn't a good product, it was a cheap device with little value targeting a nonexistent marketshare. Today even huge companies that are famous for their mobile devices are struggling to compete, some already sold to other companies, you really think Firefox would have a hit with this phone? Who would be the marketshare today?
I bought a ZTE Zero firefox phone, I could never figure out if it was a smart dumbphone or a dumb smartphone. Let down terribly by subpar hardware and terrible support had me sideloading OS updates till support ended.
I think your purchase desicion was the dumbest factor in this equation. 😉
I had LG fx0 top end Firefox phone , the worst ever
i buy the Geeksphone revolution (can switch between FirefoxOS and Android 4) so when FFOS end, => Android 4
TechAltar can you make a video why google plus failed?
Simply - no one wanted to start using it until their friends were there.
It started, and died, because of the perpetual constant that is Google arrogance. Most of their trumpet-blowing ends up in a huge list of forgotten nonsense, they're just building "stuff" to justify the employment of overpaid, hugely egotistical liberal manchildren.
The most likely reason? You couldn't just combine your Gmail and Google+ accounts, and make it all manageable from one easy web page/UI and was overall very complicated with almost nothing on it. It's even now, pretty barebones.
The unfortunate thing is that it became a niche platform that really worked for gamers but I suspect it just took too long for Google. Plus they kept changing it and the users were irritated and heavily divided on the changes made. If anything Google "innovation" was a cause for misery since those using it just wanted something stable that wasn't facebook. It's death has led to the rise of MeWe.
It sucked same as Orkut
Everytime I enter youtube I come to TechAlter and search for new videos. After a long time you made me happy.
Just subscribe and you will get a notification. No need to hunt his videos down
I subscribed this channel when the 1st episode of The Story Behind was released.
Although I know that there are no new video but I couldn't resist myself from doing it.
@@saykatsadi well that seems kinda unnecessary but I kinda get it. It's like opening your fridge to check for food even though you know there's nothing to snack on.
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I prefer to use apps. I don't like the idea of having to be online to do anything. There are places where signals are bad or gone entirely. It's more convenient to have local apps.
Im so confused about firefox os. He did say that it could be used offline as well though.
The first "Always Online is a very stupid that creates problems instead of solving them" and it's all the way down here in the comment section.
What about LG Web OS (formerly called HP Web OS or Palm Web OS) ?
It's the best TV os now
Tizen tried to copy it
Most smart TV os look like a giant tablet ui
@@harysviewty agreed it is the absolute best, have a Samsung TV that is worth atleast twice as much. The LG is a tad more recent but the actual OS is not.
And to compare the two, it is so much a victory for the LG that it is a brutal contest to be held against Samsung. Samsung gets obliterated.
What *_about_* it?
I heard you can root it
@@AnonymousGentooman WeaboOS? o_O
Why Chrome OS succeeded? Because of, you guessed it right, Google. When one of the biggest company, having one of the brightest minds, and having in excess of 100B backs you up it really helps in getting your OS into kinda mainstream.
Same reason why G Suite succeeded and other productivity tools didn't.
Nothing Google makes in social media succeeds, tho. And they tried. A lot.
There's a bit more to it.
@@xerzy That's true. I think they are positioning RUclips as that social media now, atleast, for celebrities and influences.
Pretty much. ChromeOS was utter trash but they kept it around long enough to get it some android support so it could actually be okay. Most of the stuff they relegated to the internet could've just been done by efficient apps.
Google has tried to put many many many products to market that have ultimately failed. Their size and power clearly helps but just being Google isn't enough to get people to buy their product.
I do believe that a company like Apple could probably sell just about anything based purely using the company's image and marketing strategies though, to a certain extent.
Chrome OS succeeded? I've only seen schools have them because they sell them at a loss to schools to get early adopters
commenting during your ad:
*kaiOS uses firefox behind the scenes, and is quite active-ish*
FirefoxOS's child KaiOS is the 3rd biggest phone OS in the world! Try pwa.rocks for example "apps"
As a consumer who remembers this being an option, here's why it failed:
1. What is Firefox OS? What the hell is it? I thought Firefox was a browser. The mail client is called Thunderbird, it's not called Firefox Mail Client.
2. Why would I want to switch to it when Android is fully established and even Microsoft is struggling to stay relevant in mobile?
3. Why would I need to run everything remotely on a phone? I guess Chrome OS makes sense for some, but having apps installed locally makes a lot more sense for people who don't have perfect coverage, which is... everyone. At least everyone in the US. Maybe some people in California do but the rest of us don't.
4. Extremely limited device support.
I don't think this OS ever made any sense, and while it's an interesting historical sidenote, the fact they put any resources behind it is unfortunate in hindsight.
You can install apps or run remotely on Firefox OS.
Yeah the entire OS was basically an always on DRM, stupid idea
I miss FirefoxOS, the system had some really cool features for the time and even better community of devs and users. I even did a bunch of writing about it and made a couple of apps for it.
A few years ago i was dreaming about an all web platform. And now, when the technology is almost here, i don't want it. I have two reasons for it:
- One being money: Back then, web meant free* (*ad supported). You had one or two paid things, but not a lot. these days more and more companies try to sell subscriptions, wich is not a good a good nor a bad thing on it's own. But if you pile up a bunch of them, it ends up costing a lot....
- App experience got a lot better, even from the developers perspective. Things like Flutter makes coding for multiple platforms a lot less demanding, while giving you better performance than web, no matter how many API-s you call.
Do Ubuntu Phone next
I second this
I think it is the same case as this topic. They did not have good enough reason for people to use it.
Ubuntu Touch is still being developed. It now has Android Support.
@@Ronny999x, they didn't have it from the beginning?
A daydream that the freetards' pride REFUSED to admit wasn't a viable, necessary, marketable platform. "Because we can" doesn't cut the mustard if you have NO REASON to exist, bar the fringe minority of ultra nerds wanting it.
Running HTML5 apps on low-end phones. Yeah, that's not gonna work.
I knew it was gonna fail the moment they announced it.
It's actually pretty smooth, they did an insanely good job at that. Keep in mind they were developing all of their tools in-house and with optimization always in mind, it doesn't eat up all of the RAM and some more like Chrome and doesn't import 7493960749396396304 libraries like with your average Electron app
it really didn't. did you watch the video and see the horrendously slow interface in the b-roll?
Obvious outcome was obvious. 😁
@@__init__3493Yea have you ever seen a fast phone when that came out?
@@ark_knight no, because android wasn't optimized for lower end devices. systems like Symbian worked great
Evidence that the mobile web is getting better: I was still using a BlackBerry Q10 (with BB OS) at the beginning of 2019... and honestly, I didn't have an issue accomplishing most practical things through the ancient stock browser.
i work for a casual gaming company, and right now we are attempting to make one of our games (that works just fine in desktop browser), work as a progressive web application (basically website running in a WebView) on smartphones. I don't have much faith in it even with today's top tier devices. Luckily my lack of faith doesn't affect much since i'm only responsible for a (functionally) small module, that already almost fully works out of the box.
We actually target top tier devices mostly (since their owners bring more revenue, duh), and the goal here is to circumvent app stores through these apps.
All true.. now there is Librem 5 with GNU/Linux, I don't know if it will succed but at least it will improve and optimimize the Linux Desktop experience
> at least it will improve and optimimize the Linux Desktop experience
exactly this. that's what i love about open source software. it's great knowing that even if the phone flops, we will still reap some benefits, even on the desktop.
this was something I wished would not have failed i really loved this concept
Thanks for this informed and educational look into the phone market. My favorite tech channel by far.
Yes I remember...and I have already forgotten.
Nice
What problem does using web technology solve?
Cross platform capabilities have already been achieved by Qt, Xamarin and Flutter. The first of them is getting support for WebAssembly soon, so you can run it in the browser.
Aside from that the development of web technologies is relatively slowly as it needs to go through a standardization.
Performance wise JavaScript is slow, WebAssembly is missing critical features and requires usingC/C++ or Rust which are much harder to develop with than Java, C# or Swift.
In conclusion. I don’t really see the point of web technology outside the web and wonder whether doing it the other way around isn’t the smarter move
this. the web is for websites, not apps
Yeah, I can't even properly call the everything-web vision idealistic. Android already uses Java as a base for their applications, which is inherently portable by design (and much, much faster, as well as closer to metal, than running a browser). This allows them to now start using their Android apps on ChromeOS and FuchsiaOS, as well as the third-party SailfishOS.
However, I am a .NET developer and I see C#, .NET and ahead-of-time .NET bytecode to WebAssembly compilation as the future. It's simple, it's mature, it's really, really fast when you use it correctly, it's modern and new open-source .NET Core was made to be portable (it can even run on Android, yay). Also, don't forget about the CoreRT, whose goal is to bring native levels of performance to the .NET ecosystem.
Need super-quick performance, as well as portability (on code level)? The answer is Rust.
Web was, and will always be inherently handicapped. Webpages run in a highly sandboxed, highly ease-of-use oriented environment with a very limited set of available options. WebAssembly is the future of Web (time to destroy the dictatorship of JavaScript), but even then, why not run WebAssembly natively?
The idea was flawed from the beginning. I love Mozilla, but they are too focused on Web, which I can understand. It changed our ways of consuming information. But the future is Native.
@@MrAlaxUA
Correct me if I'm wrong but the community around C# and .NET specifically is still very Windows-centric and while it is open source the development is lead and controlled by Microsoft.
So this ecosystem would probably face some animosity trying to get wider adoption.
@@ymi_yugy3133 To be honest, the whole .NET Core struggle is much more Linux and MacOS oriented, than it is Windows. Microsoft has done an awesome job supporting Linux with their tools lately. They have adopted Linux in Azure. They have ported all the major .NET libraries and even the SQL Server to Linux. Heck. even the PowerShell is now cross-platform.
Basically they are doing everything to make Windows components, as well as the .NET ecosystem cross-platform. Just look at the WSL -- it's a full-fledged Linux system on your Windows machine. Just imagine the amount of work put into it.
I am not praising Microsoft here, they are still a major corporation, definitely not an angel of open-source development. But compared to any other company they are way ahead in open-source contributions and projects.
>>> Qt, Xamarin and Flutter
HAHAHAHA.
NO >:(
@TechAltar You just won another subscriber.☺️
I'm glad that this channel is slowly slowly growing. The day is not far when Marton you will have a million subscribers :)
Don't use Dashlane
LastPass is free and it's practically the same thing
It’s just a sponsorship...
Yep. LastPass is the best. I love it!
This was actually rather interesting, throughout the past 2 years i have been learning to build PWA's which is alot of fun, so knowing about the "beginning" of it is cool
This is an interesting video! Actually I have been working on an OS powered by web technologies! Well node.js, nw.js etc. I have videos of it on my channel for example (I recommend watching the latest video first before the old one, just because the old one is really old now haha. I think I have some pictures of it and stuff on my twitter). My plan is to have it also work on mobile in the future, like a perfect hybrid OS! It's a side project, not something mainstream or anything, but yeah! Although it's a little different in terms of "web technologies" as in it's not using websites to run though, but it's built around those technologies.
Fuchsia OS is modern FireFox OS(I think)
I remember, was looking to buy a smart tv running firefox os. Then it died on me :(
I shit you not, I googled Firefox OS like two weeks ago to see if anybody had been working on something like it, then this video comes out!
Why did it fail? Because its damn Mozilla. Mozilla is already notorious for starting projects, investing in them time and workforce (i tell you at time FirefoxOs was actively developed they almost stopped development in Firefox "because Mobile phones is FUTURE") and then, dropping them. They stuffed tons of wacky stuff in Firefox codebase (cleaning out all that mess taken years for them), developed tons of interesting APIs anticipated for damn Firefox yet never enabled, like WebBluetooth, WebMIDI and all that stuff gone in litterbin, because they lost faith. Is it first or only time? Hell no! They started Flyweb "internet of things" project - scraped, Mortar (PDFium) - scraped, and so on.
Most freaking interesting that AFTER they dropped FirefoxOS some other developer picked it up and now makes feature phones with KaiOS based on it. And its looks pretty fine (albeit i dunno how they going to develop it further, since all B2G stuff removed from Mozilla code).
Murging all chat apps I've been waiting since 2013 for this
hey techaltar love ur vids.well in india there is a really big company called classmate which sells books, registers and pens . i bought 2 registers and they had on the cover your series title the behind series one .
Pics?
Wait. What? Can you provide pics?
I can confirm this.
@@amberjha5974 well pictures please? Just take a photo upload to Imgur and leave a link here.
6years ago
Firefox: I need to build a suitable mobile web-sites ,so my users can access web-apps faster.
NOW
GOOGLE : Instant apps.
* tadaa *
More web/desktop-like behaving apps are so important. I can't do any serious work in apps companies put together just to have an app. I often choose to show the desktop version in the phone's browser to get access to all the serious features required for productivity.
They should try again! I believe in today’s market there is an open availability for something “different”. Today’s most popular smartphones are now just too similar and with that, the smartphone market is declining. Firefox should give it another spark
I think it is like pizza or good sex. Once you have it, improvement is just not needed.
Maybe you have heard of this phrase ...
_"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."_
Great video! (as always 😄)
The editing was also really good. The only thing I would suggest is to make the "Story behind..." text a little less bright.
Every thing else was perfect. 😊
I used a firefox os phone for about 10 minutes. It was slow af
Everything was slow back then. Don't you remember?
exactly why I remeber. with everything being slow at that time, this one felt slooooow. @@fenn_fren
simple, it wasn't quite as smooth as the development was rushed and the result came unpolished and ugly.
I would love for TechAlter to do a video on the Purism Librem 5. He always seems to find an angle that I didn't consider, because I think about technology, not about business strategy and users.
Dat pew news music tho
He was using the music waayyy before pew
Other than requiring less memory on phone, what advantage do browser phones offer? Processors are dirt cheap now so I think there is no advantage over using Android. Actually your data is better protected with native apps.
Is there a way that you will review Sailfish OS? Its current iteration is 3.0.1, and it is pretty awesome.
+1 to this. Sailfish is awesome. I'd use it as a daily driver if there was a stable enough port for my phone.
I was there when Firefox OS died along with Ben and others - I must add that they tried to keep it alive by making it a community project, but they still failed at justifying what the project was for. Instead of acknowledging that Firefox OS was powerful as a lightweight OS for emerging markets, they tried to wrap up the whole thing on Android since it would be easier to develop and maintain without any help from Mozilla or anyone else. Now we have KaiOS.
Great video, thanks for your enthusiasm on the open web!
I remember it not doing well.
Wonderful talk, I have been interested about the os for a long time without knowing exactly why it eventually faded out.
Most underrated RUclips channel broadcasting underrated tech stuff ❤️
Finally, TA is back!! I've been waiting impatiently for a long time...
Ah, yes. The system with potential that was killed due to a lack of dev support.
Just like windows phone
apps developers are more focus on android and ios ecosystem which are more easy to adapt and easy to make seamlessly connected to the hardware.
@@julianacruz9024 Doesnt web apps make it easier for adoption? Well the concept was new I guess so I guess they just paved a way for future. It remains a legacy that will not be known by many
Actually, the whole reason for smartphone based on Open Web is that you don't need dev support. Dev supports it automatically simply by developing websites and web applications using Web APIs.
At launch, with virtually no devs ever hearing about Firefox OS, it already supports millions of apps simply because devs inadvertantly supported Firefox OS because they built a mobile site.
Most of the APIs used by Firefox OS apps are openly available Web APIs, so the apps are not tied to Firefox OS platform.
The reason Firefox OS failed had nothing to do with app support.
Excellent analysis as always, thanks. But try to invest into better sound equip if your budget permits. The vlog of this level requires that imho
When did Chrome OS work out? 🤔
I wonder what what has happened, what would happen now, if the focus was shifted more towards fewer higher-end devices, and more knowledgeable users willing to shell out a little more cash for a unique device
I love this very interesting series, thank you =D
In a world where tech reviewers use the latest phones given to them by companies, it's refreshing to see you still using the LG G6 in 2019
Web OS based is dumber than iOS. iOS has many limitations
Man i love you. You are the only chanel that actually showed the strongest passwords. I'll replace every password with these secure ones. Thanks😀
Firefox OS, Ubuntu mobile oh the ruins
And don't forget KDE Mobile.
Micrsoft os
Have you already heard about the Purism 5? It's a real linux phone and would also feature web apps. I believe it's coming out in 1 month and I think it might be a great alternative to apple and android but I think it can use a bit more exposure.
Progressive web apps are the future.
No
I disagree. Web apps are always shoddy. Don’t like relying on a website that has to be connected to the internet to work
When the internet is amazing everywhere and it will happen soon then yes they will be
@@tylerdoop but I think you can use PWA even offline (without internet) like any other app, unless you need something new from the internet.
@spagooti spabooty it is still a web app, do you know that you can save html websites locally with their assets (CSS, JS, media, ...) and run them offline without the need of internet? I guess you know that.
We can still call them web apps:
Web: because they work with web languages.
Apps: because they act like apps including running offline.
Web apps are in a situation point between "websites" and "the apps we install on our devices".
When mention about Firefox OS, this reminds me of Ubuntu Phone as well. Canonical (the Ubuntu company) decided to cancel their mobile OS project (the Ubuntu touch) after they failed to took off,
however Ubuntu touch is now being maintained by the community.
Liked even before the video started, because it's TechAltar ;)
Wait , isn't this same as Android Go ?
„To disrupt the app ecosystem with the power of the open web“ I miss the time when the web was still open and not under file through laws and thinks like Article 11 and 13... thanks EU
Dont miss it, they are still fighting for it, join them.
M8 those articles have not passed
And if they get passed it would need aproval by each parliment
You can criticise the eu for many things article 11 and 13 are not one of them
@@irthamepali It already affects countless of content creators in youtube, and possibly has made some to lose income.
Local apps will always be a better option simply because not everyone has access to good consistent internet or cell signals. At work I get pretty much no signal no matter where I am in the building, and out here in the middle of nowhere with a field of grazing cows across the street, I don't get the best service. Relying entirely on web-based apps would be a nightmare for me.
5:46 What kind of brainlet finds Windows or Mac too complex to use lol
I loved Firefox OS, my first smartphone ran on it and I really enjoyed it, the looks of it were amazing, really simple and different from Android and iOS, using it was a nice experience for me and the "apps" optimized for it worked really well, but fortunately the lack of a few features (WhatsApp) and lack of updates ( since it was up to the carrier {and they never did}) ended up being too much and I had to leave it on a drawer somewhere hoping that it would get better with time like chrome on, but the next I heard was Mozilla dropping the system, and that was years after I abandoned it, so yeah, I miss u Firefox OS 😢
I remember this... I remember getting excited up to when I learnt it wasn't a proper OS I could thinker with, with a terminal a hackeable kernel and all the cool stuff. I am still waiting for a smartphone which isn't bricked by a restrictive OS and stupid corporate decisions (pe, not updating their offered OS version, even for security updates)
I prefer apps over one browser for all or centralize browsing.
1. Less chances of getting hack.
2. Different apps means different prospectives and experiences.
3. Less tracking.
4. Less chances of app provider enforce pay as you go.
5.different options after a crash.
6. Bigger tech economy
7. and Varieties rules!
My favourite tech channel on RUclips! 😊 No bullshit but just actual analysis!
Great editing. Happy that Adam joined the team
4:47 - Genius! 😂
This happens so much in the tech industry. Awesome way to call it out!
i love hybrid web apps. WebView has allowed me to learn app development from my basic web skills and i feel instant gratification that lets me keep learning until i move to native app development. i believe most apps can be replaced by webapps given there is always a data connection, however data is expensive for most people, and many hate long contracts with carriers, this is the biggest limitation to web apps taking over.
With the hindsight of being in the future, Firefox OS was the right idea but was way too ahead of its time without the same control over the supplyline that megacorporations have. Webapps are more prominent than ever and even mobile apps are mostly webapps with an installer.
If you are interested, me and a few people started an organization that continues the development of FxOS
I loved the idea of Firefox OS, and today I think it could work on purely convenience, since I find a lot of mobile websites I commonly use to be better than their respective apps (RUclips, for example, doesn't have adverts that interrupt the video on mobile web). But I don't think it should rely on the World Wide Web, and for one big reason: control. I hate opening my apps to find everything has changed, or useful features are missing, I've even used developer options to turn off automatic Android updates because it would be hell if my entire OS just *did things* without asking me, and the web exacerbates this problem by always downloading the latest version every time you use it, and on top of that if the user did want to make a forked version to retain missing features, they can't just install it like an app.
Web apps are a service as a software substitute, and I really don't like that, but packing web technologies into a locally installed app could be a lot better for developers and users alike. Something platform agnostic, like Chrome apps used to be, or Electron apps are now. If they could be brought down to the bare minimum of resource usage and still be feature rich as a native app, we might get somewhere.
"Remember firefox os"
me:"Whaaaaat???"
Oh god, I forgot this existed. Way back when I was like 7-8, I was interested in this OS.
I keep your videos last in my watch list, 'cause your voice (or how it's recorded) is so good to get into sleep
I wouldn't say it failed, though, as it achieved its objective. Hanging around after achieving the objective would have been a bonus.
Before Firefox OS, mobile web apps weren't feasible (I know, I tried), so apps had to be written twice (at least) and were subject to the whims of the stores acting as gatekeepers.
Since Firefox OS, there's hardly any point in native apps any more. Mission accomplished.
Panasonic’s smart TV interface is based on Firefox OS I believe, and it’s really good.
I suppose this agrees with your argument in the video that you need to find a selling point for users - in this case, the apps on the TV should work more reliably and be more abundant as it’s easier to develop for.
That intro music with the logo is very relaxing.
I think it is now called KaiOS and Smartphones with that Firmware are extremely popular in 3rd world countries; but I haven't seen any of them in Europe or NA.
It came back as KaiOS, it's like Firefox OS, but mixed with the Android code.
Famous phones on it: Nokia 8110 4G, Alcatel Go Flip
I had a Firefox OS phone. There were not many apps or game available, the games felt similar to Java or Symbian. The experience was indeed boring. The other problem was the Phone hardwares like very low processing power, low MP camera, bad speakers, low battery capacity. The phone became slower day by day. Finally I threw the phone & broke the glass.
What pains me is that now, we have the technology to make mobile websites/webapps function like actual smartphone apps, but the mobile web isnt there yet because developers don't invest a lot of time in their mobile websites. They instead focus on building actual apps.
I hope that one day, maybe in the next 40 years, we will be using the web 100% of the time on all of our devices. This would make it way easier for new operating systems and platforms to grow and thrive because they wouldn't have to worry about compatibility problems.
I remember reading Firefox OS was coming, and didn't hear about it again until this video.
Good to have you back Martin, it's been far too long...
More videos please! I love your channel, captions help me undertand (i'm brazilian ) and your content is excellent.
The problem is Android is already a fairly open system. Not as open as it used to be (cos Google keeps promoting the Google version than ASOP) but still fairly open. You are not limited to one App Store owned by the platform and you can more or less install any app you want.
Give that, Google's power and Android massive headstart, it is not surprising. There's isnt enough differentiation.
The problem with Dashlane: It kind of still falls for the issue that the password for all other passwords is still a normal password. Hackers would just have to get your one password to get all of them. I would like to see that one worked around before I use a password manager.