Why Firefox Is Dead (The Many Mistakes Of Mozilla)

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  • Firefox used to be one of the most popular web browsers. Now, barely anyone uses it. What happened to this once great free and open source browser?
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  • @Malik-101
    @Malik-101 Месяц назад +855

    firefox is not dead, i am currently using firefox,

    • @kritnicol8546
      @kritnicol8546 Месяц назад +64

      The fact you are using it doesn’t mean it’s not dead. You can still install and use windows vista. The fact that you can doesn’t mean it’s not dead

    • @muudus_tv
      @muudus_tv Месяц назад +30

      Now this is a desperate move i dont expect from any content creators in Linux community.
      Just don't post anything if you haven't got any content ideas yet.

    • @squishy-tomato
      @squishy-tomato Месяц назад +1

      @@kritnicol8546 firefox receives monthly updates and have a large user base - even though in % it's small, it's still in the tens of millions
      so no, it's not windows vista

    • @Doctor_Glados
      @Doctor_Glados Месяц назад

      @@kritnicol8546vista is EOL. Firefox is not. Just because you don`t like it, it doesn`t make it dead.

    • @mcdeleve
      @mcdeleve Месяц назад +9

      Me too

  • @centralintelligenceagency8811
    @centralintelligenceagency8811 Месяц назад +1047

    Don't care, still using firefox.

    • @gizzmoguy.
      @gizzmoguy. Месяц назад +92

      Firefox is still the best Browser for me.

    • @0stre
      @0stre Месяц назад +37

      Same, still FF user, and I don't plan on switching to another one.

    • @garygranato9164
      @garygranato9164 Месяц назад +53

      what is better than FF + adblock ?? cant believe this guy is saying this !!

    • @bobbybologna3029
      @bobbybologna3029 Месяц назад +27

      yeah dunno tf he's talking about, writing this on FF..

    • @Artoooooor
      @Artoooooor Месяц назад +4

      #metoo

  • @Gerdoch
    @Gerdoch Месяц назад +551

    "I need some clickbait. Let's just say Firefox is dead!"

    • @gizzmoguy.
      @gizzmoguy. Месяц назад +26

      Agreed smh

    • @MI7DJT
      @MI7DJT Месяц назад +23

      @@gizzmoguy. Yup.. total B$ video.

    • @UltraZelda64
      @UltraZelda64 Месяц назад +18

      Stating the obvious is not clickbait. That's not how it works.

    • @gizzmoguy.
      @gizzmoguy. Месяц назад +16

      @@UltraZelda64 So.......Firefox is obviously dead?

    • @dullahangaming5107
      @dullahangaming5107 Месяц назад +14

      It is objectively on deaths door statistically.

  • @007Strings007
    @007Strings007 Месяц назад +205

    I use Firefox (librewolf) because I don't like how big of the market Chrome has.

    • @COIN_a
      @COIN_a Месяц назад +9

      Isn't librewolf just pre-hardened firefox with delayed updates?

    • @Alex-cq7eg
      @Alex-cq7eg Месяц назад

      @@COIN_a also sans Mozilla’s telemetry. But I think you can get the same level of privacy (and probably more) with Arkenfox.js

    • @007Strings007
      @007Strings007 Месяц назад +6

      @@COIN_a yep

    • @proletar-ian
      @proletar-ian Месяц назад +17

      @@COIN_a The delay isn't big, a few days or so. I'd take that over having to harden Firefox myself.

    • @Keizer_Soze
      @Keizer_Soze Месяц назад +3

      yup librewolf ftw.

  • @galen__
    @galen__ Месяц назад +174

    Long time Brave user here, but recently started using Firefox as my daily for the first time in over a decade. On my POS Intel MacBook, Firefox doesn’t stutter when scrolling or watching RUclips unlike Brave. I tried so many ways to fix this that I almost started compiling my own version of Brave to start debugging what was broken. Instead, I installed Firefox and it’s actually amazing 😅

    • @hotrodjones74
      @hotrodjones74 Месяц назад +7

      I switched to Firefox from Brave. But I still use Brave on mobile. I feel like with proper set up you can't go wrong with either one.

    • @amir3515
      @amir3515 Месяц назад +4

      I was using microsoft for some time but for the past couple months i've been using firefox and i like the way you can customize it with the user chrome css file. i think it's refreshing to use something other than chromium. on another note, it's a shame web browsers have to use so much resources nowadays, yeah i know it's maybe security related, but think about how overpowered computers have become yet opening up the browser to a simple text web page causes the fan to start spinning at max speed.

    • @Chiko700
      @Chiko700 Месяц назад +1

      lol same here, switched from brave to firefox because all the linux distros come with firefox so I wanted to see whats the fuzz about

    • @marivanmendes2841
      @marivanmendes2841 Месяц назад

      Same here

    • @nichohells
      @nichohells Месяц назад +3

      Not to mention Firefox is a native wayland application 😎🔥

  • @m-danya-327
    @m-danya-327 Месяц назад +93

    Supporting chromium is not a good idea considering Google's plans to slowly wipe all adblocks. Firefox on mobile maybe is slow, but it has extensions! An adblock on a phone!

    • @TheExileFox
      @TheExileFox Месяц назад +13

      no. Firefox on mobile is not slow. Chrome on the other hand is.

    • @shaunpatrick8345
      @shaunpatrick8345 Месяц назад +1

      They don't plan to do that, and they have no ability to. Brave's adblock is not an extension, for example.

    • @ryzechdev
      @ryzechdev Месяц назад

      @@shaunpatrick8345they do and they can

    • @LovecraftianGodsKiller
      @LovecraftianGodsKiller 20 дней назад

      What I find funny is firefox on mobile performs worse on a samsung phone than a pixel.
      I got a pixel like 1.5 weeks ago and firefox (I specifically use fennec) and webpages don't load NEARLY as slow as they did on any samsung phone I used.

    • @s1nistr433
      @s1nistr433 17 дней назад

      Firefox isn't dead but it's deteriorated in quality over the years and by now it's almost unusable. It feels extremely clunky, multiple websites load in slow especially discord and youtube which take literal minutes to load up and causing high cpu usage, it might be due to the layoffs causing the project to stagnate as the web evolves but who knows.
      I switched to Throium, a chromium based browser that removes the google spyware and has massive performance gains over stock chrome (they say 8-30% depending on the websites). For popout player there's chrome extensions for it, for multi-containers you can just use separate profiles which does the same thing. For ad blocking (like concerns with manifest v3) you can just block the domains with the linux hosts file with is more secure anyway, there's tons of premade scripts for it on github.
      I get wanting to use Firefox to protest against google's monopoly but if it doesn't function properly it's not worth the effort.

  • @rawbeartoe_AK
    @rawbeartoe_AK Месяц назад +40

    That is why I use LibreWolf, it is to Firefox what Brave is to Chromium.

    • @Masta_E
      @Masta_E Месяц назад

      I will have to check it out!

    • @miller42
      @miller42 Месяц назад

      Yeah, LibreWolf is pretty good. No forced ads for Amazon and Google.

    • @nord2992
      @nord2992 25 дней назад +1

      Floorp is also great, switched to it from librewolf.

  • @htx80nerd
    @htx80nerd Месяц назад +11

    Can tell a lot of people have not watched the "finances of Mozilla" videos yet

  • @user-uf4rx5ih3v
    @user-uf4rx5ih3v Месяц назад +124

    I think your criticisms of Mozilla the company are quite valid.
    It's worth pointing out that Firefox is two things, it's the browser engine Gecko and an interface to it, which is Firefox proper. Similar to how Chrome is the Chromium engine + Google spyware.
    Keeping the above in mind, when you say Firefox is a bad product, you probably mean that the whole application is bad? How is it bad? From a user perspective, it has the same UI as Chrome and similar extensions, better extensions even. As for additional features like password management, history and sync between devices, it's excellent. It's better then Brave for sure. It also has good security features.
    Perhaps you had a bad experience with performance? For me, running Firefox vs Chromium I have similar loading times, with a few millisecond difference in favor of Chrome, but not always. The way I was running this test was probably not ideal, and it's just my computer so I do not want to make the false conclusion that Firefox and Chrome run the same on every machine, I just want to say that at least for some users, Firefox is very performant.
    What I will say it that Firefox has had difficulties with Google and Microsoft products. Teams was broken for a while, Google docs don't work great. Is this a direct sabotage from Google specifically, YES! Microsoft said as much, Apple also had many complaints. Let's give Google the benefit of the doubt and assume their competitors are just bad mouthing them. Why then is every other service work well, except Google products on non Chromium engines. Every service on the web I've used was fixed to work with Firefox eventually. Yet Google products always have problems, non stop.
    For a product, Firefox is a decent offer. I personally use something called Floorp, which is based on Firefox, with a UI I find very convenient.
    As for the ideology part of things. Let's say we don't like Mozilla and want our own new browser as a community. How would be build that? Web browsers are extremely complicated, you don't just make one from scratch and expect it to do anything. People have tried and people have failed. It's way better to build off of something, and that something is Gecko. It's not a perfect engine by any means, but I believe that it's build with solid designs in mind.
    You say Chromium is free and open source. You can delude yourself in thinking that, but in reality it's all a farce for Google to control the internet. They decide adblock is not allowed, Chromium wont allow adblock, it's that simple. Google decides some features of the internet are not OK, those features become extinct. Microsoft (one of the contributors of Chromium) will support them because they want to spy also. Brave is not going to save you. That's why the ideology has always been to have competition on the browser engine side.

    • @user-in2cs1vp6o
      @user-in2cs1vp6o Месяц назад +16

      In just saying this guy won't ever run wayland. A very opinionated dude, not necessarily the most reasoning behind it all

    • @Dratchev241
      @Dratchev241 Месяц назад +12

      that is my issue with brave, they are tied to the whims of google. I know they say they won't allow the manifest v3 in brave... but how so? (i am not a coder) but when google decides to Mv3 to stop ad block what kind of code changes will be made to chromium? it may be impossible to use that v3 code base to turn it back into v2. So is brave going to fork the chromium engine? if so why have they not already done it years ago getting away from "be evil" google.

    • @lcssbr
      @lcssbr Месяц назад +4

      ​@@Dratchev241In that matter, they only need to patch chromium code or clone it right after those bad changes.

    • @Dratchev241
      @Dratchev241 Месяц назад +4

      @@lcssbr and that is the problem. No idea what the v3 changes "be evil" google will make to the code. it may make it where if it isn't fully in the code breaks.
      Which means brave would have to fork the project at the last good base which if they have to fork then why the f they ain't done so already getting away from "be evil"?

    • @tarikulislam686
      @tarikulislam686 Месяц назад

      🤣🤣

  • @DJSammy69.
    @DJSammy69. Месяц назад +326

    April Fools was months ago! It has been said that Firefox is dead for years. It ain't going no were.

    • @chungushook
      @chungushook Месяц назад +17

      i mean, 2.88% market share is really bad, especially considering how many users it used to have. wouldn't say its dead, but they are doing something wrong and should try to improve before they actually are dead.

    • @DJSammy69.
      @DJSammy69. Месяц назад

      @@chungushook As long as you can download new version and it gets updates, it ain't dead. They might be minority now days but every other browser is pretty much using chrome/chromium.

    • @jhaokip23
      @jhaokip23 Месяц назад +6

      It ain't going nowhere because Google likes it that way.

    • @SergioBocanegra
      @SergioBocanegra Месяц назад +2

      i use floorp it's based on firefox and is made by a japanese foundation.

    • @jibberjabber6919
      @jibberjabber6919 Месяц назад

      "nowhere"

  • @AaronStarkLinux
    @AaronStarkLinux Месяц назад +377

    Firefox is dead according to you. But it's pretty much alive.

    • @theworldoffun8997
      @theworldoffun8997 Месяц назад

      Mozilla is just a company with no reason to compete with Google since they are getting huge pay checks from them, so they don't even try to oppose Chrome, while modern days developers or hopeless zoomers slowly move into the whole walled gardens of big corporations ecosystems with n competition. And mozilla does not even try to do anything and try to get initiative back from google

    • @stellarorbit1341
      @stellarorbit1341 Месяц назад +16

      You probably didn't even watch the video.

    • @AaronStarkLinux
      @AaronStarkLinux Месяц назад +22

      @@stellarorbit1341 Firefox wasn't working when I tried to play the video.

    • @X91X-km7hp
      @X91X-km7hp Месяц назад +6

      @@AaronStarkLinux LMAO!

    • @lewisse_8966
      @lewisse_8966 Месяц назад +5

      @@AaronStarkLinux Amazing response lol

  • @greendblink182
    @greendblink182 Месяц назад +283

    Strongly disagree. My entire company uses Firefox and we do a lot of work with the government and every time I'm at a government engineering facility, everyone is using Firefox.

    • @rlifts
      @rlifts Месяц назад +25

      Funny you say that cause I was at a job once in which we used Linux computers and they made it to where employees could only open Firefox and nothing else to do their work. Solid as hell, I can't say the same about Brave on wayland or chrome.

    • @wassim-akkari
      @wassim-akkari Месяц назад +7

      @@rlifts agree firefox is very stable under wayland, I got back to using firefox a year ago and it's been very good and performance is very good.

    • @OpenBASED
      @OpenBASED Месяц назад +5

      That should make you more worried than anything.

    • @Tuishimi
      @Tuishimi Месяц назад +2

      I don't. I work for a company with >40K employees and guess what the vast majority use? Chrome. Of course our company has certainly nerfed parts of it... I am also using chrome on my Ubuntu/Wayland build. Part of that is I simply gave up on privacy, I even had a google phone and all my bajillions of sorted and maintained links backed up by google in the cloud. lol!! But I guess some companies DO prefer firefox and some don't. The only true way to know is to check website hit statistics.

    • @nlmaster9811
      @nlmaster9811 Месяц назад +2

      How is this the case? Smart cards don’t even work with Firefox.

  • @TheDrunkenAlcoholic
    @TheDrunkenAlcoholic Месяц назад +24

    firefox might be loosing users in the windows community, but its definitely not in the Linux community, that chart you mentioned is very much a indications of the user base mostly consumed by windows users. maybe talk statistics within the linux community and you will see it a lot more than 2%

  • @lightningx10
    @lightningx10 Месяц назад +198

    Gotta disagree on Brave being "focused on just being a good browser". Have you seen the amount of crap they pile on top of it? Who needs a janky crypto wallet in their browser with ads on the homepage? Frankly out of the box Brave is just as unusable as Firefox if not more so.
    I agree that Mozilla as a company should probably cut down and focus on software.
    I hope somewhere down the line that Google does actually lock down chrome and break things, maybe it will trigger people into realising that this is another internet explorer and we need diversity in the browser engine space.
    I don't know why you don't give a hardened Firefox fork a go, it will be slower than chrome granted, but it will respect your privacy and is actually open source. The "open source" nature of Brave is a bit dubious imo.

    • @dez0rted291
      @dez0rted291 Месяц назад +3

      I wanted to write the same thing, lol

    • @gregorybrannan7202
      @gregorybrannan7202 Месяц назад +5

      It started that way, but moved away quickly. I’ve switched back to Firefox, actually.

    • @DanteMishima
      @DanteMishima Месяц назад +7

      I run LibreWolf and Floorp and I'm very satisfied

    • @jhaokip23
      @jhaokip23 Месяц назад +3

      I think the point is users shouldn't have to resort to "hardened forks" for basic privacy ootb, hence the "focus on software" point.

    • @Flashback_Jack
      @Flashback_Jack Месяц назад +10

      Brave isn't revolutionary. It's basically a stripped-down Chrome with uBO filters baked into it.

  • @eliasjachniuk4427
    @eliasjachniuk4427 Месяц назад +27

    DT: "you can't live in imagination. I'm just a realist"
    Also DT: "Maybe somebody with deep pockets that really deep pockets who loves Foss. We'll probably get some alternatives in the near future."
    Bruh

    • @fotnite_
      @fotnite_ Месяц назад

      Seems like he doesn't understand how that money works. As unlikely as it is that this would happen, it's even more unlikely that it would happen AND be independent. Look no further than Brave itself, which has continually tried to insert invasive ads into their browser. If they got significant traction you better believe they'd go down the same enshittification route that Windows has been going down, and if you fork you don't get access to the same funding that Brave has from billionaire mega-donors, so good luck trying to compete.

  • @bluecat-114
    @bluecat-114 Месяц назад +44

    I use Firefox, ad blocking works better here than in Brave, I like the containers and the default privacy values ​​can be easily changed, and the performance is almost the same as Chrome

    • @wikingagresor
      @wikingagresor Месяц назад

      What do you mean when you say that 'ad blocking works better in FF than in Brave' ? After using Brave for few years now I'm happy to report that I don't see any ads on any website. FF needs some shady plugins for it. In Brave it works ootb.

  • @JeffreyBodenstein
    @JeffreyBodenstein Месяц назад +24

    Still using Firefox - Plugins still are active development so it is not dead. Problem is safari and chrome are defaults in the OS wars and made to be a pain to change. Normal people just sigh and use that is there. But dead nope.

    • @BrendonKing
      @BrendonKing Месяц назад

      The extension economy is nowhere near as vibrant or robust as the competition. People mistake "death rattle" for "relevant"

  • @htx80nerd
    @htx80nerd Месяц назад +7

    I hate that Firefox has that stupid pocket feature on by default and uses the Google search engine. Then they pretend to care about privacy.

    • @johanb.7869
      @johanb.7869 Месяц назад +1

      I don't like Pocket either. It's always one of first things I double click to false.

    • @Mario583a
      @Mario583a Месяц назад

      Something something Google's search contract deal; It takes money to make a free browser.

    • @TheExileFox
      @TheExileFox Месяц назад

      Pocket used to be ReadItLater - back then it was actually GOOD. now it's just spyware.

    • @shaunpatrick8345
      @shaunpatrick8345 Месяц назад

      @@Mario583a they don't use their money for the browser though, they use it to call for censorship of the web. Or rather, it's to "counter misinformation".

    • @MrGorpm
      @MrGorpm 10 часов назад

      YOU use the Google search engine. Firefox has many optional engines.

  • @TheSynrgy1987
    @TheSynrgy1987 Месяц назад +153

    *watches video via firefox, daily browser on every device for the last 20 years.

  • @carves123
    @carves123 Месяц назад +19

    Lets revive Netscape browser !

  • @PerfectKlaus
    @PerfectKlaus Месяц назад +32

    I still use it - the best free browser which doesn't report everyting back

    • @someusername1
      @someusername1 Месяц назад +3

      LibreWolf?

    • @Nate-qh4em
      @Nate-qh4em Месяц назад +2

      In that case I would reccomend Librewolf on PC and Fennec on android (two Firefox forks that respect privacy). Because oh boy, the amount of data vanilla Firefox sends back is horrifying. Like the amounts of data that makes a windows PC look FSF endorsed.

    • @user-us6ft2sj5q
      @user-us6ft2sj5q Месяц назад +6

      not true. firefox has just as much telemetry as the others, by default it's enabled and you need to turn off a bunch of stuff.
      Librewolf fixes that but it's generally an incovenient browser to use due to its hardening

    • @Mario583a
      @Mario583a Месяц назад

      @@user-us6ft2sj5q Correct; HOWEVER the telemetry is just unintelligible gobblty gook to the average.

    • @Nate-qh4em
      @Nate-qh4em Месяц назад

      @@user-us6ft2sj5q Some things you can't turn off, like a built in unique ID tied to your Google Analytics ID (desktop) or strait up Google Analytics (mobile).

  • @mentalmarvin
    @mentalmarvin Месяц назад +24

    Firefox is still the only one that has multi-account containers. I use it everyday. Also chromium browsers have a lot more mitigation against adblockers

    • @shaunpatrick8345
      @shaunpatrick8345 Месяц назад

      What mitigation against ad blockers does Brave have, other than it doesn't need external ones?

    • @mentalmarvin
      @mentalmarvin Месяц назад

      @@shaunpatrick8345 I'm talking about sites that will block access because you have an ad blocker, their scripts are usually made for chromium based browsers and harder to navigate around without messing with the inspection tab

  • @yousefshorafa80
    @yousefshorafa80 Месяц назад +167

    Watching this video on Firefox

    • @TheSolidSnakeOil
      @TheSolidSnakeOil Месяц назад +8

      Watching on Floorp.

    • @distant6606
      @distant6606 Месяц назад +7

      @@TheSolidSnakeOil same 😎

    • @DRIVING_ME_CRAZY
      @DRIVING_ME_CRAZY Месяц назад +1

      @@TheSolidSnakeOil I haven't used Floorp before.

    • @LovecraftianGodsKiller
      @LovecraftianGodsKiller 20 дней назад

      @@DRIVING_ME_CRAZY Floorp is kind of firefox with a lot of vivaldi features. It is an INCREDIBLE fork. HIGHLY recommend checking it out.

  • @wassim-akkari
    @wassim-akkari Месяц назад +37

    I still use firefox I don't understand why people prefer chrome, it litteraly does everything and more.

    • @tvh024
      @tvh024 Месяц назад

      I only use Chrome for sites like RUclips, Twitch, Gmail etc. By having to login you'll lose your privacy anyway.

    • @wassim-akkari
      @wassim-akkari Месяц назад

      @@tvh024 Actually I've seen bechmarks where firefox beats chrome in twitch.

    • @Count_Smackula
      @Count_Smackula Месяц назад

      I use Firefox for all those things too and have zero problems.

    • @Mario583a
      @Mario583a Месяц назад

      They like the UI of Chrome.
      The like the entanglements of Google stuff which you can easily bookmark and add keywords in Firefox.
      They like the "it just works" methodology on sites that only see web traffic of Chrome
      They like the PWAs, which are just headerless browser shortcuts and are still in the Working Draft phrase according to W3c.

    • @alvallac2171
      @alvallac2171 Месяц назад +2

      *Firefox. I
      *Chrome. It
      *literally

  • @matthewmoore757
    @matthewmoore757 Месяц назад +22

    I still use Firefox. Yeah, they've made some blunder's. But what's the alternative? Chrome and Chromium based Browsers? No thanks. I do Like Brave. But.... as long as Firefox still works, I'm fine with it. If Firefox stops working for me, than brave is a fine alternative.

    • @MixedVictor
      @MixedVictor Месяц назад +3

      Chromium has a monopoly because it's just better. Have you ever wondered why Chrome was widespread when it was released? If Firefox wasn't under Mozilla's bad management, it would've been a much better browser.

    • @MixedVictor
      @MixedVictor Месяц назад

      Also their Android browser is a synonym to memory leak.

    • @cameronbosch1213
      @cameronbosch1213 Месяц назад +1

      ​@MichaelDustterDoesn't Brave plan to keep Manifest v2 support though after upstream Chromium removes it?

    • @matthewmoore757
      @matthewmoore757 Месяц назад +7

      @@MixedVictor They have a monopoly because of money and greed. Not because it's better.

    • @user-in2cs1vp6o
      @user-in2cs1vp6o Месяц назад +6

      ​@@matthewmoore757I'm convinced most humans just say the first thing that comes to mind without a hint of thought
      That guy really suggested that googles monopoly is because their product is just that much better
      just ignore all the anti trust pro monopoly things they've been sued for the US government and the EU

  • @MarkGast
    @MarkGast Месяц назад +2

    I gave up on Firefox years ago and, like our gracious host, I to switched to Brave. I blame most of the issues on management.

  • @BloodblayeGaming
    @BloodblayeGaming Месяц назад +120

    Tried using Brave, did not like the design and the shitty cryptocurrency. I much prefer Firefox because its simple and familiar.

    • @moister3727
      @moister3727 Месяц назад +9

      Yeah, that's why i like Firefox. Brave can be customize to not show any of that crap, but it's a hassle

    • @michaelking8306
      @michaelking8306 Месяц назад +1

      Key word is familiar. Chrome is familiar. Safari on Mac is familiar. McDonald's is familiar.

    • @dullahangaming5107
      @dullahangaming5107 Месяц назад +2

      The crypto stuff has a one button switch to turn off in settings.

    • @gurriato
      @gurriato Месяц назад

      It's familiar if you have the memory of a goldfish.

    • @BloodblayeGaming
      @BloodblayeGaming Месяц назад

      ​@@gurriatolol okay

  • @LightningMcCream
    @LightningMcCream Месяц назад +14

    I love using firefox, and I dont have any intention of switching anytime soon.
    But you're so right! Firefox does nothing to cater to the one audience keeping it alive.
    Worse yet, they try steal from Google's playbook all the time! No I don't want to sign up for your damn Sync Service or a "mozilla account"! Let me export 100% of my browser settings as a plain text file, and I'll sync it that way!

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 Месяц назад +3

      I don't get your last complaint. A LOT, really A LOT of people, more normie ones, complain when switching to Firefox that it doesn't have the conveniences of Chrome. Exactly like that Sync Service. WHAT THE FLYING F is stopping you on not using it ? It's not for you, it's for the normies.
      If you were in their shoes, you'd realize how immensily annoying a comment like yours is. It's literally being damned if you do, damned if you don't.

  • @TheSmellOfBooks
    @TheSmellOfBooks Месяц назад +4

    LibreWolf Represent !!!!!

  • @haniqassim
    @haniqassim Месяц назад +2

    Google still pays a big portion of Mozilla’s bills and get Google services used by default.

  •  Месяц назад +3

    Firefox + Betterfox + uBlock Origin is the best of the best

  • @Lineageholder
    @Lineageholder Месяц назад +11

    Floorp is a good Japanese variant of Firefox. It's a more private option.

  • @PaulG.x
    @PaulG.x Месяц назад +4

    It's not dead!
    It's just pining for the fiords!

  • @lancemarchetti8673
    @lancemarchetti8673 21 день назад +1

    Firefox is one of the few browsers that still allow you to view temp cached Media in *Tools* - *Page Info*

  • @Boz1211111
    @Boz1211111 Месяц назад +1

    Firefox is quite big and it did quite impossible, browser written on its own platform an fully functional modern updated, made for user. If they accepted donations or got in trouble i would pay them just to help. They are worth so much

  • @Munny606
    @Munny606 Месяц назад +4

    Firefox is alive and well and kicking!!

  • @Chris3s
    @Chris3s Месяц назад +3

    Still use firefox, but now I also use Librewolf too for more searching around

  • @hunterzone4846
    @hunterzone4846 23 дня назад +1

    Which extension do you use to change the brave home page?

  • @n0viewers409
    @n0viewers409 19 дней назад +1

    Man for a dead Web Browser it still ships as the default for almost every Distro I have ever installed.

  • @johnny2598
    @johnny2598 Месяц назад +3

    I see many people don't know that Google funds Mozilla.
    Most of the revenue of Mozilla Corporation comes from Google (81% in 2022) in exchange of making it the default search engine in Firefox.

  • @danielalvesldiniz
    @danielalvesldiniz Месяц назад +30

    hm, if "firefox has 2% of market share" is a reason not to support firefox, why support linux at all? when it comes to personal computers (not talking about servers here), is linux that much better than 2%?

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 Месяц назад +4

      Don't want to be an apologist, but I think the reason is about what he said that a new browser has bigger chances. Because of the baggage. Firefox is 2.88% but on the decline. Linux is 3-4% but growing.

    • @danielalvesldiniz
      @danielalvesldiniz Месяц назад +4

      @@Winnetou17 sure, but linux has been "on the rise" for a long time now...

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 Месяц назад +4

      @@danielalvesldiniz Yeah, it literally is since early-mid 1990s. But I think it matters less right now. What matters is that is on the rise. Multiple people excited for its future. With some companies, like Valve, commited to improve it.
      Firefox, sadly, doesn't have that. And I'd so wish it did. For me it still runs very good. Though not perfect, as some websites simply don't check for Firefox (which is closest to running the actual web standards)

    • @danielalvesldiniz
      @danielalvesldiniz Месяц назад +1

      @@Winnetou17 yeah I've been using firefox for a long time now and really wish it would succeed but that seems unlikely :(

    • @ParinyaTeerakasemsuk
      @ParinyaTeerakasemsuk Месяц назад +3

      There's no relevant open source alternative to Linux in desktop OS space. But there's Chromium, which is 100% open source and a better alternative to Firefox. People can grab the source then fork however they like regardless of Google consent, like what Brave does for example.

  • @aljustiet
    @aljustiet 25 дней назад +2

    Brave has even lower marketshare than firefox.

  • @davidmuriithi1809
    @davidmuriithi1809 Месяц назад +2

    I still use Firefox + Ublock, haven't had a problem so far

  • @windbolt1
    @windbolt1 Месяц назад +11

    i switched from Brave to a Firefox based Browser like Librewolf.

  • @CosmeBenito
    @CosmeBenito Месяц назад +14

    Saying it doesn't make sense to use Firefox because they only have 2% marketshare is like saying using Linux doesn't make sense because it only has 2-3% marketshare.
    I prefer other chromium-based browsers but, like you, I don't mind using inferior software that better represents the values I want to see on the web.

  • @BlueBatboy
    @BlueBatboy 13 дней назад +2

    me watching this on firefox:

  • @rrsmb7136
    @rrsmb7136 Месяц назад +1

    Firefox can be dead but its still one of the best options out there, i am watching this video from a firefox browser.

  • @boyscout399
    @boyscout399 Месяц назад +10

    Firefox's multi account containers is something i really want chrome based browsers to add...

    • @c0wg0d
      @c0wg0d Месяц назад

      Pretty sure Arc Browser has that

    • @fotnite_
      @fotnite_ Месяц назад

      @@c0wg0d It does, but Arc only really supports macOS. They have a windows version, but it's very unstable and buggy at the moment. And no Linux version.

  • @CyborgZeta
    @CyborgZeta Месяц назад +49

    I like your channel DT, but I'm afraid I don't agree. Firefox may not be as popular as it once was, yet it's still alive, and still works very well for me and many others.
    Yes, Mozilla has made dumb or questionable decisions over the years. Yes, I don't always agree with the political views of the people at Mozilla. But I still trust Mozilla more than almost any other tech company. Also, I separate the politics from software.
    Mozilla's political views have no bearing on who can use Firefox.
    One last thing. Chrome will never be superior to Firefox on mobile. Firefox (on Android, anyway) has extension support; including UBO. I can block ads in Firefox and enjoy the Internet. Chrome has no such thing; you need an adblocking DNS or VPN to not have ads in Chrome on Android.

    • @SwiatLinuksa
      @SwiatLinuksa Месяц назад

      Kiwi Browser is based on Chrome and have scrubber good working afs blocker - 2years on mobile no big issues...

  • @AndyTurcu
    @AndyTurcu Месяц назад +1

    Hello! What's the name of the extension for the New Tab you use in Brave? I like!

  • @user-sn8kg7rd6n
    @user-sn8kg7rd6n Месяц назад +1

    It's only dead when development stops - and it's not like there's a shortage of forks.

  • @tzellis
    @tzellis Месяц назад +2

    Thats why I started using librewolf

  • @HeroicMushroom
    @HeroicMushroom Месяц назад +4

    I use Librewolf and love it.

    • @proletar-ian
      @proletar-ian Месяц назад +4

      Librewolf and Ungoogled Chromium ftw

  • @thederpykrafter
    @thederpykrafter 21 день назад +1

    Watching this with firefox and firefox nightly installed on literally every one of my devices (5) except for my quest 2

  • @user-bf5vn8so5k
    @user-bf5vn8so5k Месяц назад +1

    In Hungary Firefox is still quite popular.

  • @cameronbosch1213
    @cameronbosch1213 Месяц назад +24

    Unfortunately, while I don't agree with Derek on everything, I agree with him on this regard. Mozilla has continually made poor decisions, refused to implement community decisions, and has focused on too many frivolous side projects that are hurting Firefox and Thunderbird. Heck, Thunderbird almost died and it took a massive fundraiser to keep it alive, and it made a turn around.
    Unfortunately, I don't see the same happening with Firefox, especially with all of the underbaked and missing features, the ignorance of the developers, and the mismanagement of Mozilla.
    I'm currently using Vivaldi, which is not FOSS and also Chromium-based, but it's the best option for me. It has PWA support, it has more extensions than Firefox, and it just feels much more up to date than Firefox, more stable, and is faster.
    I'm not defending Google here, but Mozilla has made so many bad decisions that maybe it's time to let them die.

    • @CrazySalieri
      @CrazySalieri Месяц назад

      Yep. And Firefox is surrounded by almost an cult. That is one of the reasons of its downfall...

    • @d3stinYwOw
      @d3stinYwOw Месяц назад +3

      They currently started hard campaign to implement stuff relevant for users, like vertical tabs or native website profile management. Seems that everybody haven't seen doubling down on firefox under current management ;)

    • @cameronbosch1213
      @cameronbosch1213 Месяц назад +2

      @@d3stinYwOw This may be too little too late though...

    • @d3stinYwOw
      @d3stinYwOw Месяц назад +2

      @@cameronbosch1213 I wouldn't be so doomer about it to be honest. Let them cook ;)

    • @semi-senioritis
      @semi-senioritis Месяц назад

      Lack of PWA support is because of PWA developers, not Mozilla, unless you want them to redo their entire gecko engine.

  • @JohnCastleSmokeless
    @JohnCastleSmokeless Месяц назад +6

    I'm a die-hard Vivaldi user. I like Vivaldi for the same reason I like Linux: it's incredibly customizable, which makes it a piece of software with _extreme_ utility for anything and everything I want to do within a browser and even some things most casual users wouldn't even expect to be possible within a browser.

  • @dmitrichbesthook3307
    @dmitrichbesthook3307 24 дня назад +2

    Firefox is my favourite pdf-viewer on linux 😄

  • @the-answer-is-42
    @the-answer-is-42 27 дней назад +1

    I use Firefox, so it's not dead, though it would be good if its market share increased so websites would stop ignoring it.

  • @briceni6136
    @briceni6136 Месяц назад +3

    It wouldn't take a lot to make me switch from Firefox. I'd be happy to move to a browser that serves my needs better. However over the course of over a decade, I've not felt any need to. With a few clicks, it's as secure (or moreso) than anything else out there and overall, a better package than the alternatives.

  • @Alex-cq7eg
    @Alex-cq7eg Месяц назад +8

    DistroTube, you forgot to add a “sponsored” badge to the video (or was paid not to do so). I’d love to see the like/dislike ratio on this video

    • @Mario583a
      @Mario583a Месяц назад +1

      1.4K likes to 952 dislikes
      ~~ RUclips Redux and/or Return RUclips Dislike

  • @CaribouDataScience
    @CaribouDataScience Месяц назад

    DT have you looked at Tilix , the tiling terminal?

  • @MartianPink
    @MartianPink 23 дня назад +1

    2.75 minutes in I still don't know why or in what way Firefox is "dead", or what mistakes they have made.

  • @thrackerzod6097
    @thrackerzod6097 Месяц назад +6

    Been using Firefox for over 20 years now, it and Mozilla are doing good in a market with extremely fierce competition.

  • @AbuMaxime
    @AbuMaxime Месяц назад +7

    Actually, you are right. On my latest fresh install of ubuntu i did setup Brave as the default browser, and it's good. And now that you remind me of it, I'm also installing Brave on my mobile, instead of Firefox. Like you, it was my everyday browser in 20 years.

    • @TheExileFox
      @TheExileFox Месяц назад +2

      enjoy the crypto history in Brave then.

    • @shaunpatrick8345
      @shaunpatrick8345 Месяц назад

      @@TheExileFox you don't have to use that, but you should.

    • @spectr__
      @spectr__ 13 дней назад

      @@TheExileFox what about it, lol. Literally does nothing, while in Firefox you are supporting Google and censorship.

  • @kasi7777
    @kasi7777 Месяц назад +1

    At least in germany, market share of desktop Firefox is still 20% in 2024.

  • @br3nd4n
    @br3nd4n Месяц назад +2

    Firefox extensions are leaps and bounds better than Chrome.

  • @Marko_Maxa
    @Marko_Maxa Месяц назад +3

    i use LibreWolf

  • @ToumalRakesh
    @ToumalRakesh Месяц назад +6

    Switched from Chrome to Firefox when Google did the Manifest v3 stunt. Not looking back at all. FF is faster, launchers quicker, uses less memory, and the password/tab sync experience is absolutely smooth. Oh and adblocking works. FF doesn't have much marketshare atm but frankly I don't care. I don't use things because everyone uses them, I use what works for me. Now, the decisions of Mozilla are an entirely different story of course.
    Brave? No thanks.

  • @FeedScrn
    @FeedScrn 2 дня назад

    My internet usage usually expands the number of tabs to where I need two browser windows. Problem is, is that when the PC crashes, and is powering back up, the browsers May pick up where they left off at.... or not. If I have two different browsers, I'm less likely to lose a window of tabs when the PC comes back up. So right now, I'm using Brave and Firefox for that.

  • @bytesamurai
    @bytesamurai 26 дней назад +2

    Firefox is NOT dead.

  • @mmstick
    @mmstick Месяц назад +6

    Firefox 126 just released last week, which added support for zstd-compressed web pages.
    It has better Wayland support than Chrome, so it's the default in most Linux distributions.

  • @IAmTheSlink
    @IAmTheSlink Месяц назад +15

    Firefox is not dead, it's simply coughing up blood.

  • @Storin_of_Kel
    @Storin_of_Kel Месяц назад +1

    I still use Firefox as my daily driver if only because it is adhering to any standard out there such as W3, aria/wia, etc. It is also more secure than any browser and less intrusive. It takes just a few clicks to make it more secure.
    I used Chromium as my secondary browser and it is way too intrusive, it always claims the default browser role, even if specifically stating otherwise. The WebKit engine does not show HTML as it should do.

  • @shellbackbeau7021
    @shellbackbeau7021 26 дней назад

    I switched from Firefox to Chrome when Chrome came out. Then I switched to Brave a few years ago. Brave just works better and had a bigger window, less clutter, than Firefox.

  • @cirospartano8467
    @cirospartano8467 Месяц назад +3

    I agree with you! But remember that librewolf is better than firefox 😅

  • @WoodwardSystems
    @WoodwardSystems Месяц назад +7

    Firefox is my browser of choice on desktop and mobile. Maybe it isn't as widely used as much as it used to be but it's definitely not dead yet.

    • @BrendonKing
      @BrendonKing Месяц назад

      From a global perspective, it's been on life support, and Mozilla has no interest in changing that.

    • @johanb.7869
      @johanb.7869 Месяц назад

      Chrome on Android no ublock, Firefox has.

  • @walterphillips9950
    @walterphillips9950 Месяц назад

    What does this mean for Tor (onion) browser which is based on Firefox?

  • @stam_ehad
    @stam_ehad Месяц назад +2

    Seems pretty alive to me.

  • @rogerbartlet5720
    @rogerbartlet5720 Месяц назад +7

    I still use it and haven't noticed any problems. I agree that its days are numbered due to the convergent nature of software over time.

  • @Bob-of-Zoid
    @Bob-of-Zoid Месяц назад +3

    Speak for yourself! (AGAIN!!!!!) Firefox isn't dead until it's dead, and well I, like many here in the comments do too, and your reasoning isn't compelling,and your alternative sucks too in it's own ways, and well I'd rather use Firefox, not Brave!
    You really need a few major adjustments to your epistemology.

  • @FishKungfu
    @FishKungfu Месяц назад +1

    Watching this with Firefox right now.

  • @hsoj9550
    @hsoj9550 Месяц назад +1

    I think Gecko is a lost cause, but having a Firefox built on something like Webkit might be interesting to see. I don't think it'll truly save it, but it would be a better path forward (aside from switching to Chromium).

  • @tormstorm
    @tormstorm Месяц назад +21

    Watching this on Firefox, so it's obviously not dead, and it's still much better than any chromium browser.

  • @MurphyFeargal81
    @MurphyFeargal81 Месяц назад +5

    I'm still using Firefox and it is the only competitor to Google as Brave, Opera and Vivaldi are just Chrome with a skin. I work in a school and sometimes if something doesn't work in Chrome you need Firefox. I always install Chrome and Firefox on all the school laptops

    • @spectr__
      @spectr__ 13 дней назад

      None of these are just "Chrome with a skin", Opera maybe. Also lol, if hating Google is your motive, Firefox should be the last thing you cosider.

  • @PinkyZKey
    @PinkyZKey Месяц назад +1

    I use Firefox, Vivaldi, and Brave. When one decides to make a stupid update or something breaks for me during an update, I switch to one of the others. It's just a round and round cycle. For android I use Fulguris, and I'm loving it.

  • @wolframio_
    @wolframio_ Месяц назад +1

    I was born in 2003, and my mom was (still is) a huge computer nerd, so the first pieces of technology i interacted with were Linux (Mint) and Firefox (Tux Paint too, obviously :p). I love Firefox, it has a special place in my heart, but as much as it pains me, i gotta agree with you, i have... epicurean tastes, in general, not just software, and Firefox it's just not good enough. I'm currently using Ungoogled Chromium and it runs well enough, even in my sh*tty low end 11 years old PC, and that says a LOT.

  • @viarnay
    @viarnay Месяц назад +7

    Still using firefox and still rockin

  • @jameschristiansson3137
    @jameschristiansson3137 Месяц назад +12

    Still the best.

  • @MegaMoiz
    @MegaMoiz 28 дней назад +1

    I have been using firefox since firefox 1.3 and i still continue to use it and will most likely still use it till it actually dies and stops receiving updates. I cannot for the life of me can tolerate google chrome or one of its cringe derivatives.

  • @argosfe7445
    @argosfe7445 Месяц назад +1

    Listening this while on Firefox

  • @tuckersguitarfiasco
    @tuckersguitarfiasco Месяц назад +55

    Firefox is dead?
    Then how am I still watching this on Firefox?

  • @darukutsu
    @darukutsu Месяц назад +11

    to all normies saying "it's not dead" I suggest edit title of video to: Why firefox is on the verge of death
    from top 1 on the market to bottom of it... hell even opera is more used than ff

    • @user-in2cs1vp6o
      @user-in2cs1vp6o Месяц назад +10

      Who cares what most people do. Most people use windows and dont even turn off a single data reporting/telemetry option.

    • @iodreamify
      @iodreamify Месяц назад

      @@user-in2cs1vp6o it's important because google are on the verge of having a browser engine monopoly, many web developers already don't even test new websites on firefox(some even blacklist it) and the longer this goes on the more compatibility issues there will be.

  • @13thGb
    @13thGb Месяц назад +1

    Is Brave safe & privacy friendly? I like librewolf - privacy tuned firefox

  • @user-fy4rn9mf1p
    @user-fy4rn9mf1p 26 дней назад +1

    All of what you mentioned has very little to do with firefox is losing market share. Reality is google services are just too dominant, that's the main reason. People just use chrome because they use google, youtube, gmail, google docs etc.

  • @svendyy
    @svendyy Месяц назад +9

    To be honest it's weird when DT's talking about bloat in Firefox, but at the same time doesn't mention about bloat in Brave that is way more than FF. While he's using it

    • @shaunpatrick8345
      @shaunpatrick8345 Месяц назад +1

      Adblocking, TOR and crypto are all related to privacy or the internet. In a browser, those are not bloat.

    • @svendyy
      @svendyy Месяц назад

      @@shaunpatrick8345 yeah, but crypto? Who needs crypto in browser? There's also other bloat.
      when I decided to use whatever page it didn't load, it was 2 seconds of white screen before displaying anything, while other browsers was opening everything instantly, or at least faster than brave. Yeah it had i5-4670, but still other browsers as I said was a lot better. Only now I upgraded to i5 13th gen and it doesn't lag, and I decided to use it, but come on. It's okay

  • @tarikulislam686
    @tarikulislam686 Месяц назад +7

    Using Ghrome in linux is like cheating on your wife.

  • @brackguthrie9470
    @brackguthrie9470 Месяц назад +1

    Its still the best browser. I use Brave sometimes, but I keep coming back to Firefox.

  • @linuxforpunks
    @linuxforpunks Месяц назад

    This is facile analysis. The reason the share falls from 2009 is Chrome shipping with Android devices and vast numbers of Android devices starting to be used in developing countries. Actually switching from Firefox is difficult because you become dependent on certain add-ons, and it's whether the data take account of Firefox's forks and spin-offs like Waterfox and PaleMoon.

  • @voodooyam
    @voodooyam Месяц назад +3

    Firefox working fine to me.