Now this is a desperate move i dont expect from any content creators in Linux community. Just don't post anything if you haven't got any content ideas yet.
Long time Brave user here, but recently started using Firefox as my daily for the first time in over a decade. On my POS Intel MacBook, Firefox doesn’t stutter when scrolling or watching RUclips unlike Brave. I tried so many ways to fix this that I almost started compiling my own version of Brave to start debugging what was broken. Instead, I installed Firefox and it’s actually amazing 😅
I was using microsoft for some time but for the past couple months i've been using firefox and i like the way you can customize it with the user chrome css file. i think it's refreshing to use something other than chromium. on another note, it's a shame web browsers have to use so much resources nowadays, yeah i know it's maybe security related, but think about how overpowered computers have become yet opening up the browser to a simple text web page causes the fan to start spinning at max speed.
i mean, 2.88% market share is really bad, especially considering how many users it used to have. wouldn't say its dead, but they are doing something wrong and should try to improve before they actually are dead.
@@chungushook As long as you can download new version and it gets updates, it ain't dead. They might be minority now days but every other browser is pretty much using chrome/chromium.
I think your criticisms of Mozilla the company are quite valid. It's worth pointing out that Firefox is two things, it's the browser engine Gecko and an interface to it, which is Firefox proper. Similar to how Chrome is the Chromium engine + Google spyware. Keeping the above in mind, when you say Firefox is a bad product, you probably mean that the whole application is bad? How is it bad? From a user perspective, it has the same UI as Chrome and similar extensions, better extensions even. As for additional features like password management, history and sync between devices, it's excellent. It's better then Brave for sure. It also has good security features. Perhaps you had a bad experience with performance? For me, running Firefox vs Chromium I have similar loading times, with a few millisecond difference in favor of Chrome, but not always. The way I was running this test was probably not ideal, and it's just my computer so I do not want to make the false conclusion that Firefox and Chrome run the same on every machine, I just want to say that at least for some users, Firefox is very performant. What I will say it that Firefox has had difficulties with Google and Microsoft products. Teams was broken for a while, Google docs don't work great. Is this a direct sabotage from Google specifically, YES! Microsoft said as much, Apple also had many complaints. Let's give Google the benefit of the doubt and assume their competitors are just bad mouthing them. Why then is every other service work well, except Google products on non Chromium engines. Every service on the web I've used was fixed to work with Firefox eventually. Yet Google products always have problems, non stop. For a product, Firefox is a decent offer. I personally use something called Floorp, which is based on Firefox, with a UI I find very convenient. As for the ideology part of things. Let's say we don't like Mozilla and want our own new browser as a community. How would be build that? Web browsers are extremely complicated, you don't just make one from scratch and expect it to do anything. People have tried and people have failed. It's way better to build off of something, and that something is Gecko. It's not a perfect engine by any means, but I believe that it's build with solid designs in mind. You say Chromium is free and open source. You can delude yourself in thinking that, but in reality it's all a farce for Google to control the internet. They decide adblock is not allowed, Chromium wont allow adblock, it's that simple. Google decides some features of the internet are not OK, those features become extinct. Microsoft (one of the contributors of Chromium) will support them because they want to spy also. Brave is not going to save you. That's why the ideology has always been to have competition on the browser engine side.
that is my issue with brave, they are tied to the whims of google. I know they say they won't allow the manifest v3 in brave... but how so? (i am not a coder) but when google decides to Mv3 to stop ad block what kind of code changes will be made to chromium? it may be impossible to use that v3 code base to turn it back into v2. So is brave going to fork the chromium engine? if so why have they not already done it years ago getting away from "be evil" google.
@@lcssbr and that is the problem. No idea what the v3 changes "be evil" google will make to the code. it may make it where if it isn't fully in the code breaks. Which means brave would have to fork the project at the last good base which if they have to fork then why the f they ain't done so already getting away from "be evil"?
Gotta disagree on Brave being "focused on just being a good browser". Have you seen the amount of crap they pile on top of it? Who needs a janky crypto wallet in their browser with ads on the homepage? Frankly out of the box Brave is just as unusable as Firefox if not more so. I agree that Mozilla as a company should probably cut down and focus on software. I hope somewhere down the line that Google does actually lock down chrome and break things, maybe it will trigger people into realising that this is another internet explorer and we need diversity in the browser engine space. I don't know why you don't give a hardened Firefox fork a go, it will be slower than chrome granted, but it will respect your privacy and is actually open source. The "open source" nature of Brave is a bit dubious imo.
Strongly disagree. My entire company uses Firefox and we do a lot of work with the government and every time I'm at a government engineering facility, everyone is using Firefox.
Funny you say that cause I was at a job once in which we used Linux computers and they made it to where employees could only open Firefox and nothing else to do their work. Solid as hell, I can't say the same about Brave on wayland or chrome.
I don't. I work for a company with >40K employees and guess what the vast majority use? Chrome. Of course our company has certainly nerfed parts of it... I am also using chrome on my Ubuntu/Wayland build. Part of that is I simply gave up on privacy, I even had a google phone and all my bajillions of sorted and maintained links backed up by google in the cloud. lol!! But I guess some companies DO prefer firefox and some don't. The only true way to know is to check website hit statistics.
firefox might be loosing users in the windows community, but its definitely not in the Linux community, that chart you mentioned is very much a indications of the user base mostly consumed by windows users. maybe talk statistics within the linux community and you will see it a lot more than 2%
I use Firefox, ad blocking works better here than in Brave, I like the containers and the default privacy values can be easily changed, and the performance is almost the same as Chrome
What do you mean when you say that 'ad blocking works better in FF than in Brave' ? After using Brave for few years now I'm happy to report that I don't see any ads on any website. FF needs some shady plugins for it. In Brave it works ootb.
Supporting chromium is not a good idea considering Google's plans to slowly wipe all adblocks. Firefox on mobile maybe is slow, but it has extensions! An adblock on a phone!
What I find funny is firefox on mobile performs worse on a samsung phone than a pixel. I got a pixel like 1.5 weeks ago and firefox (I specifically use fennec) and webpages don't load NEARLY as slow as they did on any samsung phone I used.
Firefox isn't dead but it's deteriorated in quality over the years and by now it's almost unusable. It feels extremely clunky, multiple websites load in slow especially discord and youtube which take literal minutes to load up and causing high cpu usage, it might be due to the layoffs causing the project to stagnate as the web evolves but who knows. I switched to Throium, a chromium based browser that removes the google spyware and has massive performance gains over stock chrome (they say 8-30% depending on the websites). For popout player there's chrome extensions for it, for multi-containers you can just use separate profiles which does the same thing. For ad blocking (like concerns with manifest v3) you can just block the domains with the linux hosts file with is more secure anyway, there's tons of premade scripts for it on github. I get wanting to use Firefox to protest against google's monopoly but if it doesn't function properly it's not worth the effort.
Mozilla is just a company with no reason to compete with Google since they are getting huge pay checks from them, so they don't even try to oppose Chrome, while modern days developers or hopeless zoomers slowly move into the whole walled gardens of big corporations ecosystems with n competition. And mozilla does not even try to do anything and try to get initiative back from google
Still using Firefox - Plugins still are active development so it is not dead. Problem is safari and chrome are defaults in the OS wars and made to be a pain to change. Normal people just sigh and use that is there. But dead nope.
Firefox is still the only one that has multi-account containers. I use it everyday. Also chromium browsers have a lot more mitigation against adblockers
@@shaunpatrick8345 I'm talking about sites that will block access because you have an ad blocker, their scripts are usually made for chromium based browsers and harder to navigate around without messing with the inspection tab
DT: "you can't live in imagination. I'm just a realist" Also DT: "Maybe somebody with deep pockets that really deep pockets who loves Foss. We'll probably get some alternatives in the near future." Bruh
Seems like he doesn't understand how that money works. As unlikely as it is that this would happen, it's even more unlikely that it would happen AND be independent. Look no further than Brave itself, which has continually tried to insert invasive ads into their browser. If they got significant traction you better believe they'd go down the same enshittification route that Windows has been going down, and if you fork you don't get access to the same funding that Brave has from billionaire mega-donors, so good luck trying to compete.
I'm a die-hard Vivaldi user. I like Vivaldi for the same reason I like Linux: it's incredibly customizable, which makes it a piece of software with _extreme_ utility for anything and everything I want to do within a browser and even some things most casual users wouldn't even expect to be possible within a browser.
I like your channel DT, but I'm afraid I don't agree. Firefox may not be as popular as it once was, yet it's still alive, and still works very well for me and many others. Yes, Mozilla has made dumb or questionable decisions over the years. Yes, I don't always agree with the political views of the people at Mozilla. But I still trust Mozilla more than almost any other tech company. Also, I separate the politics from software. Mozilla's political views have no bearing on who can use Firefox. One last thing. Chrome will never be superior to Firefox on mobile. Firefox (on Android, anyway) has extension support; including UBO. I can block ads in Firefox and enjoy the Internet. Chrome has no such thing; you need an adblocking DNS or VPN to not have ads in Chrome on Android.
hm, if "firefox has 2% of market share" is a reason not to support firefox, why support linux at all? when it comes to personal computers (not talking about servers here), is linux that much better than 2%?
Don't want to be an apologist, but I think the reason is about what he said that a new browser has bigger chances. Because of the baggage. Firefox is 2.88% but on the decline. Linux is 3-4% but growing.
@@danielalvesldiniz Yeah, it literally is since early-mid 1990s. But I think it matters less right now. What matters is that is on the rise. Multiple people excited for its future. With some companies, like Valve, commited to improve it. Firefox, sadly, doesn't have that. And I'd so wish it did. For me it still runs very good. Though not perfect, as some websites simply don't check for Firefox (which is closest to running the actual web standards)
There's no relevant open source alternative to Linux in desktop OS space. But there's Chromium, which is 100% open source and a better alternative to Firefox. People can grab the source then fork however they like regardless of Google consent, like what Brave does for example.
Unfortunately, while I don't agree with Derek on everything, I agree with him on this regard. Mozilla has continually made poor decisions, refused to implement community decisions, and has focused on too many frivolous side projects that are hurting Firefox and Thunderbird. Heck, Thunderbird almost died and it took a massive fundraiser to keep it alive, and it made a turn around. Unfortunately, I don't see the same happening with Firefox, especially with all of the underbaked and missing features, the ignorance of the developers, and the mismanagement of Mozilla. I'm currently using Vivaldi, which is not FOSS and also Chromium-based, but it's the best option for me. It has PWA support, it has more extensions than Firefox, and it just feels much more up to date than Firefox, more stable, and is faster. I'm not defending Google here, but Mozilla has made so many bad decisions that maybe it's time to let them die.
They currently started hard campaign to implement stuff relevant for users, like vertical tabs or native website profile management. Seems that everybody haven't seen doubling down on firefox under current management ;)
I see many people don't know that Google funds Mozilla. Most of the revenue of Mozilla Corporation comes from Google (81% in 2022) in exchange of making it the default search engine in Firefox.
They like the UI of Chrome. The like the entanglements of Google stuff which you can easily bookmark and add keywords in Firefox. They like the "it just works" methodology on sites that only see web traffic of Chrome They like the PWAs, which are just headerless browser shortcuts and are still in the Working Draft phrase according to W3c.
Well, Chrome is simple and clean. You just type what you want to find in the search box and it does it job without any lags or anything else. Also it has simple settings and interface. It's probably one of the main their advantages, I mean, people just opens Firefox and Edge after Chrome and there news and other unwanted stuff. And plus Chrome is highly advertised, so yeah, it does make sense.
Firefox went down hill when they change from having one application running, to having a dozen+ running for just one internet page open, using 1000-1500MB of RAM!!
Saying it doesn't make sense to use Firefox because they only have 2% marketshare is like saying using Linux doesn't make sense because it only has 2-3% marketshare. I prefer other chromium-based browsers but, like you, I don't mind using inferior software that better represents the values I want to see on the web.
@@c0wg0d It does, but Arc only really supports macOS. They have a windows version, but it's very unstable and buggy at the moment. And no Linux version.
I became concerned about Mozilla's direction when Brendan Eich was driven out. No company that does not support free-speech can truly be considered an open-source company. Free-speech is how you open-source a society. It's much more important for a society to be open than software.
The Right to Free Speech means the government can't arrest you for what you say. It doesn't mean that anyone else has to listen to your bullshit, or host you while you share it. The 1st Amendment doesn't shield you from criticism or consequences. If you're yelled at, boycotted, have your show canceled, or get banned from an Internet community, your free speech rights aren't being violated. It's just that the people listening think you're an asshole, and they're showing you the door.
@@Mario583a You know, there are a lot of other countries, not everyone is from burgerland and not everyone cares about muh 1st blahblahment. And you can conceptualize free speech in many different ways.
Censorship is why I abandoned FF and Mozilla as well. They had the worst CEO in existence and she was a political pundit. I think she's still on the board of Mozilla.
Firefox has a killer feature on Android: plugins. Ads often make websites unusable on mobiles. Being able to run Ublock Origin makes Firefox on Android the best mobile browsing experience by far, except, perhaps Kiwi.
I love using firefox, and I dont have any intention of switching anytime soon. But you're so right! Firefox does nothing to cater to the one audience keeping it alive. Worse yet, they try steal from Google's playbook all the time! No I don't want to sign up for your damn Sync Service or a "mozilla account"! Let me export 100% of my browser settings as a plain text file, and I'll sync it that way!
I don't get your last complaint. A LOT, really A LOT of people, more normie ones, complain when switching to Firefox that it doesn't have the conveniences of Chrome. Exactly like that Sync Service. WHAT THE FLYING F is stopping you on not using it ? It's not for you, it's for the normies. If you were in their shoes, you'd realize how immensily annoying a comment like yours is. It's literally being damned if you do, damned if you don't.
What a weird take. Firefox needs to improve, sure, but thinking Brave is some champion of privacy is ridiculous. Same with the comments about Chrome's performance. Oh, and let's not forget how fun Manifest V3 is going to be.
In that case I would reccomend Librewolf on PC and Fennec on android (two Firefox forks that respect privacy). Because oh boy, the amount of data vanilla Firefox sends back is horrifying. Like the amounts of data that makes a windows PC look FSF endorsed.
not true. firefox has just as much telemetry as the others, by default it's enabled and you need to turn off a bunch of stuff. Librewolf fixes that but it's generally an incovenient browser to use due to its hardening
It wouldn't take a lot to make me switch from Firefox. I'd be happy to move to a browser that serves my needs better. However over the course of over a decade, I've not felt any need to. With a few clicks, it's as secure (or moreso) than anything else out there and overall, a better package than the alternatives.
I went from Firefox to Brave years ago. The social activism at Mozilla and the dedication to privacy from Brave were the prime reasons why I made the change.
Strange of you to say that, are you an average consumer? FF is alive and kicking. Anyone who tried Sidebery extension knows it has no competitors. Also, containers (group isolation) is the best feature in browsers EVER.
Firefox is years behind Chrome and Edge when it comes to MIDI support. As a musician, I felt abandoned by Firefox. Any browser not supporting MIDI cannot meet my needs.
These are fair complaints for the average user but I much prefer the customization of Firefox over Brave. The default telemetry is still a huge problem and takes away credibility points.
ngl, I saw the "Firefox is dead?!" in magazines from 2007. Currently on Floorp with my bootleg Arc interface. The fact that something like Waterfox exists to take out the Mozilla out of the fox is telling...
I use Firefox, Vivaldi, and Brave. When one decides to make a stupid update or something breaks for me during an update, I switch to one of the others. It's just a round and round cycle. For android I use Fulguris, and I'm loving it.
@@Mario583a they don't use their money for the browser though, they use it to call for censorship of the web. Or rather, it's to "counter misinformation".
To be honest it's weird when DT's talking about bloat in Firefox, but at the same time doesn't mention about bloat in Brave that is way more than FF. While he's using it
@@shaunpatrick8345 yeah, but crypto? Who needs crypto in browser? There's also other bloat. when I decided to use whatever page it didn't load, it was 2 seconds of white screen before displaying anything, while other browsers was opening everything instantly, or at least faster than brave. Yeah it had i5-4670, but still other browsers as I said was a lot better. Only now I upgraded to i5 13th gen and it doesn't lag, and I decided to use it, but come on. It's okay
By default brave is private, FF is like chrome... In brave if you dont want something right click and hide, the ones that say it has "crypto crap" is just brave rewards disables by default@@shaunpatrick8345
You had me until the tin foil hat bit about censorship. There is no absolute freedom, freedom is never a goal, it is always and only the means for something.
Any time I hear about censorship these days, it's usually people complaining that they can't tell others blatantly false information about something like vaccines or that they can't say racial slurs to people. Those are the ones I always see complain about censorship, and it's honestly pushing me against their cause. There's ways to argue against censorship without being terrible people, but any time the topic comes up these are the people I always see doing it.
I still use Firefox. Yeah, they've made some blunder's. But what's the alternative? Chrome and Chromium based Browsers? No thanks. I do Like Brave. But.... as long as Firefox still works, I'm fine with it. If Firefox stops working for me, than brave is a fine alternative.
Chromium has a monopoly because it's just better. Have you ever wondered why Chrome was widespread when it was released? If Firefox wasn't under Mozilla's bad management, it would've been a much better browser.
@@matthewmoore757I'm convinced most humans just say the first thing that comes to mind without a hint of thought That guy really suggested that googles monopoly is because their product is just that much better just ignore all the anti trust pro monopoly things they've been sued for the US government and the EU
I used Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird when they first came out and used them for quite a while. I've been using Brave almost when it first came out. What I really like about Brave is that I can go to just about any website and there's no advertising. Ad blocking is critical to me. Also why I love Linux. All the corporate software companies are pushing ads everywhere. Worst thing for me is to go to my local news station and see more ads than news. So yeah ... Brave is my browser.
I quit using Firefox about ten years ago when, instead of fixing longstanding memory leaks and other resource usage and stability issues that I had been putting up with for years, Mozilla decided it would be better to just rip off Chrome in every way from appearance/interface to a hyper-fast feature release cycle. I didn't want to use Chrome, I hated its interface and release cycle, but since Mozilla was doing everything in their power to be a knockoff Chrome wannabe while ignoring real performance issues and bugs, I decided to just switch to the real deal. I don't know if Mozilla ever managed to fix those bugs, but I do know that I haven't run into any major ones in Chrome. The state of web browsers just sucks in 2024. Firefox shot itself in the foot... over and over and over again, ever since Google hit the stage. Every other browser is just Chromium with a different name (Chrome, Edge, Opera, Vivaldi...).
This is the main reason I left too. When I jumped ship to Linux from Windows 10 after Windows 11 was released, I actually uninstall Firefox and replace it with a different browser. I do use a non FOSS browser, Vivaldi, but it feels much more up to date, still has most of the source code available (apart from parts of the UI), and doesn't promote shady crypto crap like Brave. Unlike Thunderbird, which almost died but seems to be making a comeback, I cannot use Firefox for many reasons. The main reason? It's just not a good experience!
Mozilla has not rip off Chrome.. Google Chrome adopted the interface originally envisioned by Mozilla. Also it feels like every browser is ripping off Google Chrome because Web Browser and Web itself has become standardized.. They all pretty much follow the same standards and same designs.
Were you even alive in 2002-2003, during the days the project was known as Phoenix and Firebird, and its earliest days to actually be known as Firefox? I saw their rise and downfall firsthand, and you seem to have no knowledge of it. What you are saying is completely false. Don't even bother speaking if you're so ignorant of the facts that you can't even get a single thing right...@@safi164
Firefox was my desktop default for over 10 years. I adopted it initially, not because it was open source or for privacy reasons but because it was way better in features and usability than anything else at the time. I moved off it because its usability deteriorated to the point that Opera was better for me. Then Opera went backwards to the point where Vivaldi was a better option for me. I was aware of certain political stances at Mozilla that I disagreed with, but they weren’t at the time decisive. Especially, as those views are pretty much shared by Big Tech anyway, and it’s impossible to avoid interacting with them.
Speak for yourself! (AGAIN!!!!!) Firefox isn't dead until it's dead, and well I, like many here in the comments do too, and your reasoning isn't compelling,and your alternative sucks too in it's own ways, and well I'd rather use Firefox, not Brave! You really need a few major adjustments to your epistemology.
Firefox is quite big and it did quite impossible, browser written on its own platform an fully functional modern updated, made for user. If they accepted donations or got in trouble i would pay them just to help. They are worth so much
to all normies saying "it's not dead" I suggest edit title of video to: Why firefox is on the verge of death from top 1 on the market to bottom of it... hell even opera is more used than ff
@@YaySyu it's important because google are on the verge of having a browser engine monopoly, many web developers already don't even test new websites on firefox(some even blacklist it) and the longer this goes on the more compatibility issues there will be.
After watching your little rant, I think I can understand where some of your distaste originates. I think, you're correct that Firefox needs to divorce itself from Google's money. However, who will step in to keep this project afloat after the company goes under? I mean, I totally agree with your opinion that this company shouldn't exist solely to shield a monopoly from litigation. That does need to end. However, who is going to buy the company? Especially, considering that Google has a ton of money, and will do everything in its power to match your purchase price, and prevent you from taking too much power. Let's also not forget that Firefox is going to be just about the only browser to providing its users with an option for continuing to using Manifest V2 after June, this year. There is a very real chance that Google making this move could help attract more users to Firefox, if only to keep using an ad blocker. I know that there's no way in hell I'm going to empower Google further by providing them ad revenue, so I will be staying loyal to the Fox. I guess, you'd rather get eaten by the wolf? That's fine by me, but could you stop calling Firefox "dead", in the meantime? You're only helping Google to capture more of the marketshare, and ad revenue in the process. Please, restate your opinion, because Firefox is very much NOT DEAD! Google won't permit it to die.
Switched from Chrome to Firefox when Google did the Manifest v3 stunt. Not looking back at all. FF is faster, launchers quicker, uses less memory, and the password/tab sync experience is absolutely smooth. Oh and adblocking works. FF doesn't have much marketshare atm but frankly I don't care. I don't use things because everyone uses them, I use what works for me. Now, the decisions of Mozilla are an entirely different story of course. Brave? No thanks.
I'm looking at this video about Foxfire being dead from four months ago, and I can see another video about "Why I switched to Foxfire" from two months ago.
Since switching back to Linux FF is all I use. Any other browser stutters, crashes, and just doesn’t behave properly. I’d like to use Vivaldi, but it’s the worst of them all with UI and stuttering problems. FF just works every time.
I mostly agree with everything you said. In my own experience, I switched to Firefox several years ago. At that time it was less resource intensive that Google Chrome. It became my default web browser. Unfortunately, nowadays that seems to have changed. If I leave my Firefox browser open for more than a coupe of days (Using basically Ubuntu 22.04 with 32Gb or RAM), it starts to consume so much memory that after a week I end up consuming more than 10 GB of swap space, and the whole machine starts to struggle with simple tasks like using the terminal. As soon as I kill the firefox processes, everything returns no normal, indicating that is has some memory leaks problems (still haven't found if that may be caused by some extensions I have installed). I really like the idea of keeping a different rendering engine, as almost all other browsers use or are based on Chromium, so FireFox seems like the only option for diversity. I currently use Firefox as my main browser, but I also use Brave for some other tasks, and even I have Chrome installed for sites related to my company (just to have separate environments). But unfortunately, I am using Brave (and also Vivaldi) more and more, and I am afraid I will end ditching Firefox, as it really is becoming an annoyance to use (and yes, I rarely turn off or reboot my Linux PC or any of the other headless servers I use at home) I just hope the Mozilla foundation can keep other projects alive, like the Rust language. Keep sharing your thougts, I may or may not agree with everything you say, but you always express yourself in a respectful way. Cheers!
I use Firefox (librewolf) because I don't like how big of the market Chrome has.
Isn't librewolf just pre-hardened firefox with delayed updates?
@@COIN_a also sans Mozilla’s telemetry. But I think you can get the same level of privacy (and probably more) with Arkenfox.js
@@COIN_a yep
@@COIN_a The delay isn't big, a few days or so. I'd take that over having to harden Firefox myself.
yup librewolf ftw.
firefox is not dead, i am currently using firefox,
The fact you are using it doesn’t mean it’s not dead. You can still install and use windows vista. The fact that you can doesn’t mean it’s not dead
Now this is a desperate move i dont expect from any content creators in Linux community.
Just don't post anything if you haven't got any content ideas yet.
@@kritnicol8546vista is EOL. Firefox is not. Just because you don`t like it, it doesn`t make it dead.
Me too
I am still using it too.
Long time Brave user here, but recently started using Firefox as my daily for the first time in over a decade. On my POS Intel MacBook, Firefox doesn’t stutter when scrolling or watching RUclips unlike Brave. I tried so many ways to fix this that I almost started compiling my own version of Brave to start debugging what was broken. Instead, I installed Firefox and it’s actually amazing 😅
I switched to Firefox from Brave. But I still use Brave on mobile. I feel like with proper set up you can't go wrong with either one.
I was using microsoft for some time but for the past couple months i've been using firefox and i like the way you can customize it with the user chrome css file. i think it's refreshing to use something other than chromium. on another note, it's a shame web browsers have to use so much resources nowadays, yeah i know it's maybe security related, but think about how overpowered computers have become yet opening up the browser to a simple text web page causes the fan to start spinning at max speed.
Same here
Not to mention Firefox is a native wayland application 😎🔥
@@hotrodjones74Same here sir. Brave on mobile phone is like god tier for me and firefox is best for desktop 😂
April Fools was months ago! It has been said that Firefox is dead for years. It ain't going no were.
i mean, 2.88% market share is really bad, especially considering how many users it used to have. wouldn't say its dead, but they are doing something wrong and should try to improve before they actually are dead.
@@chungushook As long as you can download new version and it gets updates, it ain't dead. They might be minority now days but every other browser is pretty much using chrome/chromium.
It ain't going nowhere because Google likes it that way.
i use floorp it's based on firefox and is made by a japanese foundation.
"nowhere"
Don't care, still using firefox.
Firefox is still the best Browser for me.
Same, still FF user, and I don't plan on switching to another one.
what is better than FF + adblock ?? cant believe this guy is saying this !!
yeah dunno tf he's talking about, writing this on FF..
#metoo
I think your criticisms of Mozilla the company are quite valid.
It's worth pointing out that Firefox is two things, it's the browser engine Gecko and an interface to it, which is Firefox proper. Similar to how Chrome is the Chromium engine + Google spyware.
Keeping the above in mind, when you say Firefox is a bad product, you probably mean that the whole application is bad? How is it bad? From a user perspective, it has the same UI as Chrome and similar extensions, better extensions even. As for additional features like password management, history and sync between devices, it's excellent. It's better then Brave for sure. It also has good security features.
Perhaps you had a bad experience with performance? For me, running Firefox vs Chromium I have similar loading times, with a few millisecond difference in favor of Chrome, but not always. The way I was running this test was probably not ideal, and it's just my computer so I do not want to make the false conclusion that Firefox and Chrome run the same on every machine, I just want to say that at least for some users, Firefox is very performant.
What I will say it that Firefox has had difficulties with Google and Microsoft products. Teams was broken for a while, Google docs don't work great. Is this a direct sabotage from Google specifically, YES! Microsoft said as much, Apple also had many complaints. Let's give Google the benefit of the doubt and assume their competitors are just bad mouthing them. Why then is every other service work well, except Google products on non Chromium engines. Every service on the web I've used was fixed to work with Firefox eventually. Yet Google products always have problems, non stop.
For a product, Firefox is a decent offer. I personally use something called Floorp, which is based on Firefox, with a UI I find very convenient.
As for the ideology part of things. Let's say we don't like Mozilla and want our own new browser as a community. How would be build that? Web browsers are extremely complicated, you don't just make one from scratch and expect it to do anything. People have tried and people have failed. It's way better to build off of something, and that something is Gecko. It's not a perfect engine by any means, but I believe that it's build with solid designs in mind.
You say Chromium is free and open source. You can delude yourself in thinking that, but in reality it's all a farce for Google to control the internet. They decide adblock is not allowed, Chromium wont allow adblock, it's that simple. Google decides some features of the internet are not OK, those features become extinct. Microsoft (one of the contributors of Chromium) will support them because they want to spy also. Brave is not going to save you. That's why the ideology has always been to have competition on the browser engine side.
In just saying this guy won't ever run wayland. A very opinionated dude, not necessarily the most reasoning behind it all
that is my issue with brave, they are tied to the whims of google. I know they say they won't allow the manifest v3 in brave... but how so? (i am not a coder) but when google decides to Mv3 to stop ad block what kind of code changes will be made to chromium? it may be impossible to use that v3 code base to turn it back into v2. So is brave going to fork the chromium engine? if so why have they not already done it years ago getting away from "be evil" google.
@@Dratchev241In that matter, they only need to patch chromium code or clone it right after those bad changes.
@@lcssbr and that is the problem. No idea what the v3 changes "be evil" google will make to the code. it may make it where if it isn't fully in the code breaks.
Which means brave would have to fork the project at the last good base which if they have to fork then why the f they ain't done so already getting away from "be evil"?
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That is why I use LibreWolf, it is to Firefox what Brave is to Chromium.
I will have to check it out!
Yeah, LibreWolf is pretty good. No forced ads for Amazon and Google.
Floorp is also great, switched to it from librewolf.
More like what Ungoogled-Chromium is to Google Chrome. Brave has its own "features" tacked on.
@@Sasha-zw9ssstill privata by default, firefox is scummy tracking settings enabled by default and now in v128 a new one of an Ad company
Gotta disagree on Brave being "focused on just being a good browser". Have you seen the amount of crap they pile on top of it? Who needs a janky crypto wallet in their browser with ads on the homepage? Frankly out of the box Brave is just as unusable as Firefox if not more so.
I agree that Mozilla as a company should probably cut down and focus on software.
I hope somewhere down the line that Google does actually lock down chrome and break things, maybe it will trigger people into realising that this is another internet explorer and we need diversity in the browser engine space.
I don't know why you don't give a hardened Firefox fork a go, it will be slower than chrome granted, but it will respect your privacy and is actually open source. The "open source" nature of Brave is a bit dubious imo.
I wanted to write the same thing, lol
It started that way, but moved away quickly. I’ve switched back to Firefox, actually.
I run LibreWolf and Floorp and I'm very satisfied
I think the point is users shouldn't have to resort to "hardened forks" for basic privacy ootb, hence the "focus on software" point.
Brave isn't revolutionary. It's basically a stripped-down Chrome with uBO filters baked into it.
"I need some clickbait. Let's just say Firefox is dead!"
Agreed smh
@@gizzmoguy. Yup.. total B$ video.
Stating the obvious is not clickbait. That's not how it works.
@@UltraZelda64 So.......Firefox is obviously dead?
It is objectively on deaths door statistically.
Strongly disagree. My entire company uses Firefox and we do a lot of work with the government and every time I'm at a government engineering facility, everyone is using Firefox.
Funny you say that cause I was at a job once in which we used Linux computers and they made it to where employees could only open Firefox and nothing else to do their work. Solid as hell, I can't say the same about Brave on wayland or chrome.
@@rlifts agree firefox is very stable under wayland, I got back to using firefox a year ago and it's been very good and performance is very good.
That should make you more worried than anything.
I don't. I work for a company with >40K employees and guess what the vast majority use? Chrome. Of course our company has certainly nerfed parts of it... I am also using chrome on my Ubuntu/Wayland build. Part of that is I simply gave up on privacy, I even had a google phone and all my bajillions of sorted and maintained links backed up by google in the cloud. lol!! But I guess some companies DO prefer firefox and some don't. The only true way to know is to check website hit statistics.
How is this the case? Smart cards don’t even work with Firefox.
firefox might be loosing users in the windows community, but its definitely not in the Linux community, that chart you mentioned is very much a indications of the user base mostly consumed by windows users. maybe talk statistics within the linux community and you will see it a lot more than 2%
I use Firefox, ad blocking works better here than in Brave, I like the containers and the default privacy values can be easily changed, and the performance is almost the same as Chrome
What do you mean when you say that 'ad blocking works better in FF than in Brave' ? After using Brave for few years now I'm happy to report that I don't see any ads on any website. FF needs some shady plugins for it. In Brave it works ootb.
Works the same
Tried using Brave, did not like the design and the shitty cryptocurrency. I much prefer Firefox because its simple and familiar.
Yeah, that's why i like Firefox. Brave can be customize to not show any of that crap, but it's a hassle
Key word is familiar. Chrome is familiar. Safari on Mac is familiar. McDonald's is familiar.
The crypto stuff has a one button switch to turn off in settings.
It's familiar if you have the memory of a goldfish.
@@gurriatolol okay
*watches video via firefox, daily browser on every device for the last 20 years.
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I miss Netscape
Supporting chromium is not a good idea considering Google's plans to slowly wipe all adblocks. Firefox on mobile maybe is slow, but it has extensions! An adblock on a phone!
no. Firefox on mobile is not slow. Chrome on the other hand is.
They don't plan to do that, and they have no ability to. Brave's adblock is not an extension, for example.
@@shaunpatrick8345they do and they can
What I find funny is firefox on mobile performs worse on a samsung phone than a pixel.
I got a pixel like 1.5 weeks ago and firefox (I specifically use fennec) and webpages don't load NEARLY as slow as they did on any samsung phone I used.
Firefox isn't dead but it's deteriorated in quality over the years and by now it's almost unusable. It feels extremely clunky, multiple websites load in slow especially discord and youtube which take literal minutes to load up and causing high cpu usage, it might be due to the layoffs causing the project to stagnate as the web evolves but who knows.
I switched to Throium, a chromium based browser that removes the google spyware and has massive performance gains over stock chrome (they say 8-30% depending on the websites). For popout player there's chrome extensions for it, for multi-containers you can just use separate profiles which does the same thing. For ad blocking (like concerns with manifest v3) you can just block the domains with the linux hosts file with is more secure anyway, there's tons of premade scripts for it on github.
I get wanting to use Firefox to protest against google's monopoly but if it doesn't function properly it's not worth the effort.
Firefox is dead according to you. But it's pretty much alive.
Mozilla is just a company with no reason to compete with Google since they are getting huge pay checks from them, so they don't even try to oppose Chrome, while modern days developers or hopeless zoomers slowly move into the whole walled gardens of big corporations ecosystems with n competition. And mozilla does not even try to do anything and try to get initiative back from google
You probably didn't even watch the video.
@@stellarorbit1341 Firefox wasn't working when I tried to play the video.
@@AaronStarkLinux LMAO!
@@AaronStarkLinux Amazing response lol
Still using Firefox - Plugins still are active development so it is not dead. Problem is safari and chrome are defaults in the OS wars and made to be a pain to change. Normal people just sigh and use that is there. But dead nope.
The extension economy is nowhere near as vibrant or robust as the competition. People mistake "death rattle" for "relevant"
Man for a dead Web Browser it still ships as the default for almost every Distro I have ever installed.
Wow, it really does ship with an OS that barely anyone uses on desktop, huh? That must mean it's popular!
Chrome sucks, I use firefox
Firefox is still the only one that has multi-account containers. I use it everyday. Also chromium browsers have a lot more mitigation against adblockers
What mitigation against ad blockers does Brave have, other than it doesn't need external ones?
@@shaunpatrick8345 I'm talking about sites that will block access because you have an ad blocker, their scripts are usually made for chromium based browsers and harder to navigate around without messing with the inspection tab
DT: "you can't live in imagination. I'm just a realist"
Also DT: "Maybe somebody with deep pockets that really deep pockets who loves Foss. We'll probably get some alternatives in the near future."
Bruh
Seems like he doesn't understand how that money works. As unlikely as it is that this would happen, it's even more unlikely that it would happen AND be independent. Look no further than Brave itself, which has continually tried to insert invasive ads into their browser. If they got significant traction you better believe they'd go down the same enshittification route that Windows has been going down, and if you fork you don't get access to the same funding that Brave has from billionaire mega-donors, so good luck trying to compete.
Firefox is dead?
Then how am I still watching this on Firefox?
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Watching this video on Firefox
Watching on Floorp.
@@TheSolidSnakeOil same 😎
@@TheSolidSnakeOil I haven't used Floorp before.
@@Amos_Huclkeberry Floorp is kind of firefox with a lot of vivaldi features. It is an INCREDIBLE fork. HIGHLY recommend checking it out.
I'm a die-hard Vivaldi user. I like Vivaldi for the same reason I like Linux: it's incredibly customizable, which makes it a piece of software with _extreme_ utility for anything and everything I want to do within a browser and even some things most casual users wouldn't even expect to be possible within a browser.
I like your channel DT, but I'm afraid I don't agree. Firefox may not be as popular as it once was, yet it's still alive, and still works very well for me and many others.
Yes, Mozilla has made dumb or questionable decisions over the years. Yes, I don't always agree with the political views of the people at Mozilla. But I still trust Mozilla more than almost any other tech company. Also, I separate the politics from software.
Mozilla's political views have no bearing on who can use Firefox.
One last thing. Chrome will never be superior to Firefox on mobile. Firefox (on Android, anyway) has extension support; including UBO. I can block ads in Firefox and enjoy the Internet. Chrome has no such thing; you need an adblocking DNS or VPN to not have ads in Chrome on Android.
Kiwi Browser is based on Chrome and have scrubber good working afs blocker - 2years on mobile no big issues...
brave has a better adblocker on android.
Been using Firefox for over 20 years now, it and Mozilla are doing good in a market with extremely fierce competition.
2.75 minutes in I still don't know why or in what way Firefox is "dead", or what mistakes they have made.
You must have a very short attention span if you expect everything to be said by 3 minutes in a 19 minute video.
hm, if "firefox has 2% of market share" is a reason not to support firefox, why support linux at all? when it comes to personal computers (not talking about servers here), is linux that much better than 2%?
Don't want to be an apologist, but I think the reason is about what he said that a new browser has bigger chances. Because of the baggage. Firefox is 2.88% but on the decline. Linux is 3-4% but growing.
@@Winnetou17 sure, but linux has been "on the rise" for a long time now...
@@danielalvesldiniz Yeah, it literally is since early-mid 1990s. But I think it matters less right now. What matters is that is on the rise. Multiple people excited for its future. With some companies, like Valve, commited to improve it.
Firefox, sadly, doesn't have that. And I'd so wish it did. For me it still runs very good. Though not perfect, as some websites simply don't check for Firefox (which is closest to running the actual web standards)
@@Winnetou17 yeah I've been using firefox for a long time now and really wish it would succeed but that seems unlikely :(
There's no relevant open source alternative to Linux in desktop OS space. But there's Chromium, which is 100% open source and a better alternative to Firefox. People can grab the source then fork however they like regardless of Google consent, like what Brave does for example.
Unfortunately, while I don't agree with Derek on everything, I agree with him on this regard. Mozilla has continually made poor decisions, refused to implement community decisions, and has focused on too many frivolous side projects that are hurting Firefox and Thunderbird. Heck, Thunderbird almost died and it took a massive fundraiser to keep it alive, and it made a turn around.
Unfortunately, I don't see the same happening with Firefox, especially with all of the underbaked and missing features, the ignorance of the developers, and the mismanagement of Mozilla.
I'm currently using Vivaldi, which is not FOSS and also Chromium-based, but it's the best option for me. It has PWA support, it has more extensions than Firefox, and it just feels much more up to date than Firefox, more stable, and is faster.
I'm not defending Google here, but Mozilla has made so many bad decisions that maybe it's time to let them die.
Yep. And Firefox is surrounded by almost an cult. That is one of the reasons of its downfall...
They currently started hard campaign to implement stuff relevant for users, like vertical tabs or native website profile management. Seems that everybody haven't seen doubling down on firefox under current management ;)
@@d3stinYwOw This may be too little too late though...
@@cameronbosch1213 I wouldn't be so doomer about it to be honest. Let them cook ;)
Lack of PWA support is because of PWA developers, not Mozilla, unless you want them to redo their entire gecko engine.
I see many people don't know that Google funds Mozilla.
Most of the revenue of Mozilla Corporation comes from Google (81% in 2022) in exchange of making it the default search engine in Firefox.
Firefox is still kicking for me. Perhaps the devs haven't been informed of its death yet.
I still use firefox I don't understand why people prefer chrome, it litteraly does everything and more.
@@tvh369 Actually I've seen bechmarks where firefox beats chrome in twitch.
I use Firefox for all those things too and have zero problems.
They like the UI of Chrome.
The like the entanglements of Google stuff which you can easily bookmark and add keywords in Firefox.
They like the "it just works" methodology on sites that only see web traffic of Chrome
They like the PWAs, which are just headerless browser shortcuts and are still in the Working Draft phrase according to W3c.
*Firefox. I
*Chrome. It
*literally
Well, Chrome is simple and clean. You just type what you want to find in the search box and it does it job without any lags or anything else. Also it has simple settings and interface. It's probably one of the main their advantages, I mean, people just opens Firefox and Edge after Chrome and there news and other unwanted stuff. And plus Chrome is highly advertised, so yeah, it does make sense.
Can tell a lot of people have not watched the "finances of Mozilla" videos yet
Firefox went down hill when they change from having one application running, to having a dozen+ running for just one internet page open, using 1000-1500MB of RAM!!
Saying it doesn't make sense to use Firefox because they only have 2% marketshare is like saying using Linux doesn't make sense because it only has 2-3% marketshare.
I prefer other chromium-based browsers but, like you, I don't mind using inferior software that better represents the values I want to see on the web.
Firefox's multi account containers is something i really want chrome based browsers to add...
Pretty sure Arc Browser has that
@@c0wg0d It does, but Arc only really supports macOS. They have a windows version, but it's very unstable and buggy at the moment. And no Linux version.
Watching this on Firefox, so it's obviously not dead, and it's still much better than any chromium browser.
I became concerned about Mozilla's direction when Brendan Eich was driven out. No company that does not support free-speech can truly be considered an open-source company. Free-speech is how you open-source a society. It's much more important for a society to be open than software.
The Right to Free Speech means the government can't arrest you for what you say.
It doesn't mean that anyone else has to listen to your bullshit, or host you while you share it.
The 1st Amendment doesn't shield you from criticism or consequences.
If you're yelled at, boycotted, have your show canceled, or get banned from an Internet community, your free speech rights aren't being violated.
It's just that the people listening think you're an asshole, and they're showing you the door.
@@Mario583a You know, there are a lot of other countries, not everyone is from burgerland and not everyone cares about muh 1st blahblahment. And you can conceptualize free speech in many different ways.
On 27.08.2024 I deleted my Mozilla account and uninstalled FireFox. I switched to Brave browser
Censorship is why I abandoned FF and Mozilla as well. They had the worst CEO in existence and she was a political pundit. I think she's still on the board of Mozilla.
Wokeness will kill mozilla. Wokeness is incompatible with free and open source core ideas.
Firefox has a killer feature on Android: plugins. Ads often make websites unusable on mobiles. Being able to run Ublock Origin makes Firefox on Android the best mobile browsing experience by far, except, perhaps Kiwi.
Firefox is NOT dead.
I gave up on Firefox years ago and, like our gracious host, I to switched to Brave. I blame most of the issues on management.
I love using firefox, and I dont have any intention of switching anytime soon.
But you're so right! Firefox does nothing to cater to the one audience keeping it alive.
Worse yet, they try steal from Google's playbook all the time! No I don't want to sign up for your damn Sync Service or a "mozilla account"! Let me export 100% of my browser settings as a plain text file, and I'll sync it that way!
I don't get your last complaint. A LOT, really A LOT of people, more normie ones, complain when switching to Firefox that it doesn't have the conveniences of Chrome. Exactly like that Sync Service. WHAT THE FLYING F is stopping you on not using it ? It's not for you, it's for the normies.
If you were in their shoes, you'd realize how immensily annoying a comment like yours is. It's literally being damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Firefox is not dead, only people who have no idea about technology and the industry would use Chromium based browsers.
What a weird take. Firefox needs to improve, sure, but thinking Brave is some champion of privacy is ridiculous. Same with the comments about Chrome's performance. Oh, and let's not forget how fun Manifest V3 is going to be.
Explain us why brave is bad
DistroTube, you forgot to add a “sponsored” badge to the video (or was paid not to do so). I’d love to see the like/dislike ratio on this video
1.4K likes to 952 dislikes
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Firefox is not dead, it's simply coughing up blood.
I still use it - the best free browser which doesn't report everyting back
LibreWolf?
In that case I would reccomend Librewolf on PC and Fennec on android (two Firefox forks that respect privacy). Because oh boy, the amount of data vanilla Firefox sends back is horrifying. Like the amounts of data that makes a windows PC look FSF endorsed.
not true. firefox has just as much telemetry as the others, by default it's enabled and you need to turn off a bunch of stuff.
Librewolf fixes that but it's generally an incovenient browser to use due to its hardening
@@GASTBF Correct; HOWEVER the telemetry is just unintelligible gobblty gook to the average.
@@GASTBF Some things you can't turn off, like a built in unique ID tied to your Google Analytics ID (desktop) or strait up Google Analytics (mobile).
It wouldn't take a lot to make me switch from Firefox. I'd be happy to move to a browser that serves my needs better. However over the course of over a decade, I've not felt any need to. With a few clicks, it's as secure (or moreso) than anything else out there and overall, a better package than the alternatives.
Google still pays a big portion of Mozilla’s bills and get Google services used by default.
Is it dead?? I still use Firefox and works just fine
It's not dead, this just just here with clickbait.
"This browser has some problems with privacy bc they use google services, let's switch to googles browser!"...
Honestly if you've seen Naomi Brockwell's presentation on web browser privacy you'd know that this is a bad take.
Yeah, this argument doesn't make sense logically
Brave is stipped down from chromium. Firefox has way more of google services and philosophy running thru it than Brave - which has basically none.
Not a Brave fan, but it is not "Google's browser".
@@alexschexnayder8624 You mean this one: ruclips.net/video/G09oVgDurTI/видео.html
Using Ghrome in linux is like cheating on your wife.
"the internet has to remain free" dude maybe 10 years ago !!! the internet has been locked down for a very long time.
it's certainly locked down in parts, but firefox is one of the free bits that remain
@@minion3806 lol sure, Mozilla supports censorship and is funded by Google, but somehow firefox is "free".
When chromium does a number of shady things its ok. When firefox talks about doing something kind or meh, its suddanly dead. Sure
V128 enabling a new telemetry setting by defsult to report data to an Ad company good job!
It's only dead when development stops - and it's not like there's a shortage of forks.
I went from Firefox to Brave years ago. The social activism at Mozilla and the dedication to privacy from Brave were the prime reasons why I made the change.
Both made by the same people, brave uses chrome engine.
Brave is made by the former BASED firefox director
downloading crypto spyware to own the libs
Strange of you to say that, are you an average consumer? FF is alive and kicking. Anyone who tried Sidebery extension knows it has no competitors. Also, containers (group isolation) is the best feature in browsers EVER.
Firefox extensions are leaps and bounds better than Chrome.
I use FIREFOX. Have been for 20+ yrs. Never liked MS IE, don't like Chrome and I don't trust MS's Edge
Firefox is my browser of choice on desktop and mobile. Maybe it isn't as widely used as much as it used to be but it's definitely not dead yet.
From a global perspective, it's been on life support, and Mozilla has no interest in changing that.
Chrome on Android no ublock, Firefox has.
Firefox is years behind Chrome and Edge when it comes to MIDI support. As a musician, I felt abandoned by Firefox. Any browser not supporting MIDI cannot meet my needs.
2% market share? Linux on desktop is dead.
Brave has no Multi-Account Containers, nor Temporary Containers. That's why I stay with Firefox. I use it since the very first Mozilla Beta versions.
"Dead"?
But... I'm using it to watch this video.
That doesn't add up.
These are fair complaints for the average user but I much prefer the customization of Firefox over Brave. The default telemetry is still a huge problem and takes away credibility points.
I still use Firefox + Ublock, haven't had a problem so far
You live inside your own bubble. Just be cause you don't use it doesn't mean everyone doesn't...
ngl, I saw the "Firefox is dead?!" in magazines from 2007. Currently on Floorp with my bootleg Arc interface. The fact that something like Waterfox exists to take out the Mozilla out of the fox is telling...
I use Firefox, Vivaldi, and Brave. When one decides to make a stupid update or something breaks for me during an update, I switch to one of the others. It's just a round and round cycle. For android I use Fulguris, and I'm loving it.
I hate that Firefox has that stupid pocket feature on by default and uses the Google search engine. Then they pretend to care about privacy.
I don't like Pocket either. It's always one of first things I double click to false.
Something something Google's search contract deal; It takes money to make a free browser.
Pocket used to be ReadItLater - back then it was actually GOOD. now it's just spyware.
@@Mario583a they don't use their money for the browser though, they use it to call for censorship of the web. Or rather, it's to "counter misinformation".
YOU use the Google search engine. Firefox has many optional engines.
To be honest it's weird when DT's talking about bloat in Firefox, but at the same time doesn't mention about bloat in Brave that is way more than FF. While he's using it
Adblocking, TOR and crypto are all related to privacy or the internet. In a browser, those are not bloat.
@@shaunpatrick8345 yeah, but crypto? Who needs crypto in browser? There's also other bloat.
when I decided to use whatever page it didn't load, it was 2 seconds of white screen before displaying anything, while other browsers was opening everything instantly, or at least faster than brave. Yeah it had i5-4670, but still other browsers as I said was a lot better. Only now I upgraded to i5 13th gen and it doesn't lag, and I decided to use it, but come on. It's okay
By default brave is private, FF is like chrome...
In brave if you dont want something right click and hide, the ones that say it has "crypto crap" is just brave rewards disables by default@@shaunpatrick8345
rust adblocker bloat?
You had me until the tin foil hat bit about censorship. There is no absolute freedom, freedom is never a goal, it is always and only the means for something.
Any time I hear about censorship these days, it's usually people complaining that they can't tell others blatantly false information about something like vaccines or that they can't say racial slurs to people. Those are the ones I always see complain about censorship, and it's honestly pushing me against their cause. There's ways to argue against censorship without being terrible people, but any time the topic comes up these are the people I always see doing it.
I still use Firefox. Yeah, they've made some blunder's. But what's the alternative? Chrome and Chromium based Browsers? No thanks. I do Like Brave. But.... as long as Firefox still works, I'm fine with it. If Firefox stops working for me, than brave is a fine alternative.
Chromium has a monopoly because it's just better. Have you ever wondered why Chrome was widespread when it was released? If Firefox wasn't under Mozilla's bad management, it would've been a much better browser.
Also their Android browser is a synonym to memory leak.
@MichaelDustterDoesn't Brave plan to keep Manifest v2 support though after upstream Chromium removes it?
@@MixedVictor They have a monopoly because of money and greed. Not because it's better.
@@matthewmoore757I'm convinced most humans just say the first thing that comes to mind without a hint of thought
That guy really suggested that googles monopoly is because their product is just that much better
just ignore all the anti trust pro monopoly things they've been sued for the US government and the EU
i agree with you, firefox is slowly dying, especially now that browser like brave are gaining popularity
Floorp is a good Japanese variant of Firefox. It's a more private option.
Based
me watching this on firefox:
Lets revive Netscape browser !
I used Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird when they first came out and used them for quite a while. I've been using Brave almost when it first came out. What I really like about Brave is that I can go to just about any website and there's no advertising. Ad blocking is critical to me. Also why I love Linux. All the corporate software companies are pushing ads everywhere. Worst thing for me is to go to my local news station and see more ads than news.
So yeah ... Brave is my browser.
I quit using Firefox about ten years ago when, instead of fixing longstanding memory leaks and other resource usage and stability issues that I had been putting up with for years, Mozilla decided it would be better to just rip off Chrome in every way from appearance/interface to a hyper-fast feature release cycle.
I didn't want to use Chrome, I hated its interface and release cycle, but since Mozilla was doing everything in their power to be a knockoff Chrome wannabe while ignoring real performance issues and bugs, I decided to just switch to the real deal. I don't know if Mozilla ever managed to fix those bugs, but I do know that I haven't run into any major ones in Chrome.
The state of web browsers just sucks in 2024. Firefox shot itself in the foot... over and over and over again, ever since Google hit the stage. Every other browser is just Chromium with a different name (Chrome, Edge, Opera, Vivaldi...).
This is the main reason I left too. When I jumped ship to Linux from Windows 10 after Windows 11 was released, I actually uninstall Firefox and replace it with a different browser. I do use a non FOSS browser, Vivaldi, but it feels much more up to date, still has most of the source code available (apart from parts of the UI), and doesn't promote shady crypto crap like Brave.
Unlike Thunderbird, which almost died but seems to be making a comeback, I cannot use Firefox for many reasons. The main reason? It's just not a good experience!
Mozilla has not rip off Chrome.. Google Chrome adopted the interface originally envisioned by Mozilla. Also it feels like every browser is ripping off Google Chrome because Web Browser and Web itself has become standardized.. They all pretty much follow the same standards and same designs.
Were you even alive in 2002-2003, during the days the project was known as Phoenix and Firebird, and its earliest days to actually be known as Firefox? I saw their rise and downfall firsthand, and you seem to have no knowledge of it. What you are saying is completely false. Don't even bother speaking if you're so ignorant of the facts that you can't even get a single thing right...@@safi164
Since a couple months ago, the memory leaks are pretty much gone. It's faster than ever.
@@Flashback_Jack years, it's been years since it had much memory leaks. I should have noticed otherwise as i'm a tab hoarder
Firefox was my desktop default for over 10 years. I adopted it initially, not because it was open source or for privacy reasons but because it was way better in features and usability than anything else at the time.
I moved off it because its usability deteriorated to the point that Opera was better for me. Then Opera went backwards to the point where Vivaldi was a better option for me.
I was aware of certain political stances at Mozilla that I disagreed with, but they weren’t at the time decisive. Especially, as those views are pretty much shared by Big Tech anyway, and it’s impossible to avoid interacting with them.
Firefox is not dead. You will probably be dead long before Firefox dies.
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Firefox is one of the few browsers that still allow you to view temp cached Media in *Tools* - *Page Info*
Dude, Jumping ship from Firefox to Brave is such a sin, you should go back to Windows and just run Edge.
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Strongly disagree with this video, tried brave for a while, but on Linux Firefox was just smoother and working way better for me
Still use firefox, but now I also use Librewolf too for more searching around
Firefox is like an old dog to me. I can't be mad at it, just a bit sad.
Speak for yourself! (AGAIN!!!!!) Firefox isn't dead until it's dead, and well I, like many here in the comments do too, and your reasoning isn't compelling,and your alternative sucks too in it's own ways, and well I'd rather use Firefox, not Brave!
You really need a few major adjustments to your epistemology.
On 27.08.2024 I deleted my Mozilla account and uninstalled FireFox. I switched to Brave browser
Firefox is quite big and it did quite impossible, browser written on its own platform an fully functional modern updated, made for user. If they accepted donations or got in trouble i would pay them just to help. They are worth so much
to all normies saying "it's not dead" I suggest edit title of video to: Why firefox is on the verge of death
from top 1 on the market to bottom of it... hell even opera is more used than ff
Who cares what most people do. Most people use windows and dont even turn off a single data reporting/telemetry option.
@@YaySyu it's important because google are on the verge of having a browser engine monopoly, many web developers already don't even test new websites on firefox(some even blacklist it) and the longer this goes on the more compatibility issues there will be.
It's far from dead. Take into consideration how huge the web browser market is and then take a few percent from that. It's stil lots of users
"Why FF failed?"
IT DIDN'T.
After watching your little rant, I think I can understand where some of your distaste originates. I think, you're correct that Firefox needs to divorce itself from Google's money. However, who will step in to keep this project afloat after the company goes under? I mean, I totally agree with your opinion that this company shouldn't exist solely to shield a monopoly from litigation. That does need to end. However, who is going to buy the company? Especially, considering that Google has a ton of money, and will do everything in its power to match your purchase price, and prevent you from taking too much power. Let's also not forget that Firefox is going to be just about the only browser to providing its users with an option for continuing to using Manifest V2 after June, this year. There is a very real chance that Google making this move could help attract more users to Firefox, if only to keep using an ad blocker. I know that there's no way in hell I'm going to empower Google further by providing them ad revenue, so I will be staying loyal to the Fox. I guess, you'd rather get eaten by the wolf? That's fine by me, but could you stop calling Firefox "dead", in the meantime? You're only helping Google to capture more of the marketshare, and ad revenue in the process. Please, restate your opinion, because Firefox is very much NOT DEAD! Google won't permit it to die.
According to your monologue, it is not dead, it is just" Google's puppet"
Switched from Chrome to Firefox when Google did the Manifest v3 stunt. Not looking back at all. FF is faster, launchers quicker, uses less memory, and the password/tab sync experience is absolutely smooth. Oh and adblocking works. FF doesn't have much marketshare atm but frankly I don't care. I don't use things because everyone uses them, I use what works for me. Now, the decisions of Mozilla are an entirely different story of course.
Brave? No thanks.
I'm looking at this video about Foxfire being dead from four months ago, and I can see another video about "Why I switched to Foxfire" from two months ago.
Since switching back to Linux FF is all I use. Any other browser stutters, crashes, and just doesn’t behave properly. I’d like to use Vivaldi, but it’s the worst of them all with UI and stuttering problems. FF just works every time.
I mostly agree with everything you said. In my own experience, I switched to Firefox several years ago. At that time it was less resource intensive that Google Chrome. It became my default web browser. Unfortunately, nowadays that seems to have changed. If I leave my Firefox browser open for more than a coupe of days (Using basically Ubuntu 22.04 with 32Gb or RAM), it starts to consume so much memory that after a week I end up consuming more than 10 GB of swap space, and the whole machine starts to struggle with simple tasks like using the terminal. As soon as I kill the firefox processes, everything returns no normal, indicating that is has some memory leaks problems (still haven't found if that may be caused by some extensions I have installed).
I really like the idea of keeping a different rendering engine, as almost all other browsers use or are based on Chromium, so FireFox seems like the only option for diversity. I currently use Firefox as my main browser, but I also use Brave for some other tasks, and even I have Chrome installed for sites related to my company (just to have separate environments). But unfortunately, I am using Brave (and also Vivaldi) more and more, and I am afraid I will end ditching Firefox, as it really is becoming an annoyance to use (and yes, I rarely turn off or reboot my Linux PC or any of the other headless servers I use at home)
I just hope the Mozilla foundation can keep other projects alive, like the Rust language.
Keep sharing your thougts, I may or may not agree with everything you say, but you always express yourself in a respectful way. Cheers!
It's not dead!
It's just pining for the fiords!
I see what you are parroting there.....
I've used Firefox for over 20 years. Google's marketing is why so many people use Chrome.
I still use it and haven't noticed any problems. I agree that its days are numbered due to the convergent nature of software over time.