the sound has a problem with ringing. A pretty bad problem that should not have been allowed to happen. At the second section the ringing stops.. about 26:00 or so.
Mike Duncan neglected to mention the small village on the North Atlantic coast, whose Indomitable Gauls made life quite awkward for the surrounding Roman garrisons :)
I have actually been eager to get out of work so I can listen to your podcasts on the way home. How much time have I wasted listening to the same songs over and over lol
Turning pirates into "fowler-mouthed than average farmers" - love these subtle jokes!!! Keep adding them to Revolutions! Keep up the fantastic podcasting work!
Wow, the intense level of inequality is not often exposed or covered in-depth - I much appreciated understanding the socio-economic scale of the citizenry as often times we are primarily concerned with the economy as a whole in modern studies, which does not work in ancient imperial structures - as individuals and courts owned vast swaths of land.
@adeel Dang that is the KingHell of run-on sentences, among other issues. Hard to tell at a glance where one concept ends and another begins. But if this is not your native language, don’t beat yourself up. It’s a great effort and expresses adult ideas.
Hi - I just wanted to thank you for this series - a lot of effort from you but it’s just fascinating. My hoppy is ancient history and this has helped join the dots so much.
29:22 "Because the one major upshot of early Roman education was that it left its pupils intellectually incurious, distrustful of teachers, and generally glad to be rid of anything that reminded them of school, books, or learning in general." The same could be said of Western education today, and the West is in decline much like Rome.
There is a very high-pitched interference noise in the background. It's quite a low volume, but with headphones it is very, verrrrrrrry annoying. I've never heard this in any of your videos before.
I guess mike duncan doesnt realize that some people like me. Learn best through repetition. This is my 2nd time listwning to this series. Why? Because my memory is shit and i need to read and watch things a minimum of 2-3 times before i retain it. I would thoroughly thrive in roman school.
Great Episode! Would you clarify about tin in Greece? (see 1:56:10) Was this just processing and making household goods opposed to mining in the countryside? I was under the impression there were no known tin sources in the ancient world in the eastern Mediterranean (hence the complex trade networks of the bronze age to acquire it).
From memory, I believe there were small-scale deposits around the Aegean, predominantly in Anatolia. Not near enough to support the civilizations of the Bronze Age (hence the trading), but the region isn't completely devoid of tin.
Sorry, don't really know about that. I always associated the Greeks with the gymnasiums and the whole Olymian games scenario. They were the ones who competed naked and invented most of those classic type competitive games like wrestling. :) As for the Romans I don't really know and I haven't really heard anyone else speak of it either.
You missed one. Pretty sure the Cappadocians escaped reprisal by Aurelian after they backed Zenobia to form part of the short lived Palmyrene Empire as well.
The Romans exported far more than just wine and olive oil to the rest of the world. India purchased things like coral, gold, clothing, silver, and other roman goods. Most of the supposed trade deficit was really about a decline in morals brought about by (supposedly) purchase of silk from China. Or rather, merchants who bought the silk cheaply in china, then resold it several times heading west, where the price was dramatically marked up by the time it got to the Roman Empire.
THey did not need to "buy" silver and gold. SIlver was mined in Spain and Greece, while gold was mined in Dacia (just some of the mines in the Empire). All these mines were "imperial mines", from where gold and silver flew through empire to India. :)
That was just the excuse they used. Far more likely, the Empire's gold supplies were being drained, by funneling so much into trade with the East. It's kind of like how many USD China gets for mass production currently, except they are not a finite amount.
It wasn’t a scheme to make silk expensive. There were simply no travelers who traveled the entire length of the Silk Road and thus all the silk had been resold server all times over due to a logistics issue
Good point. The idea Rome was at a trade deficit was probably introduced by anti-Eastern sentiments of the era. Conservative Romans would talk about the decline of moral values brought by their contemporaries spending fortunes on exotic foreign goods. Historians probably also extended the sentiment due to the situation of their time as the West as promoted an anti-Eastern sentiment for most of its history. The reality is that the Empire was making incredible profits from taxing imports.
That was the 100th episode special. Most of the questions were about him and his family. A lot of it was personal and the episode wasn't meant to be a part of the history narrative. If I had thought it would add to the overall scheme I would have included it. All of his original episodes can still be found on his podcast channel which I have linked in the description.
There would have been a far more peaceful atmosphere in the major fora, I think. High walls seem to have separated them from the vehicular traffic. At least that is what some of the models based on the marble map found in the Tabularium show. I once visited some relatives in Naples over 40 years ago and they lived in a neighborhood very like an old roman city. And it wasn't particularly noisy or irritating, just lively. You could hang a basket out the window with some coins and get a calzone from the street vendors. The narrow streets keep the sun from baking the buildings, something I understand people didn't like about the post fire, Neronian improvements with wider major streets. Romans liked to walk in the shade. Italy can be very hot in the summer. There is a controversy on RUclips debating whether the Temple mount was actually the actual site of the temple, one of possibly four temples or whether it was the Fortress Antonia. It is large enough to be the fortress that would contain a legion - over 8,000 men and support functions. But if it was the temple built by Herod the Great it is sometimes shown as a smallish temple building surrounded by colonnades and market buildings. There is no real answer and apparently the foundations for the Fortress Antonia don't exist anymore? Isn't that highly unlikely that the fortress would be gone completely? If the temple was surrounded by commercial enterprises, possibly to generate income for the temple maintenance and personnel, is it also possible that is what was also being done with all the arcades in the Roman temples? The colonnades were a way to build in an income to pay for the sacrifices offered to the founders memories perhaps? I'd love to know the answer, because it suggests that Jesus - who came in from the country, may have mistaken Roman city planning and financial arrangements as the Temple being prostituted for business purposes? The money changers were a Torah sanctioned aspect of temple worship. Or if the Temple was actually located beside and below the Temple mount, in the City of David, then either the wailing wall is the base of the commercial structure surrounding the temple or the surviving fragments of the Roman fortress and a reminder of the forces who actually destroyed the temple to the ground. Or is it the base of the Hadrianic rebuild of the temple? If it was the Fortress Antonia, than even Islam has the Dome of the Rock in the wrong place and the rock is actually the base of an altar for a temple that would have sat in the center of a permanent military installation rather like West Point, or the Air Force Academy in Colorado have chapels. But religious people I've known tend to say the buildings aren't that important and loving the masonry is a kind of idolatry. But I'll take a beautiful building over a dull or even stupid sermon every time. .
@@rudolphguarnacci197 - He hasn't answered so I don't think he knows. I don't think anyone really knows how to answer the questions? It would require major disruptive archeological exploration and that would get everyone upset. If they actually found the answers to those questions it might even disturb everyone's obsessions with the places? Actually the idea that the original temple might be below the temple mount has some archeological evidence to back it up, but the video was created by some American Christians. Everyone has an interest in the answers and not everyone would believe them even if the definitive answer was found. Haven't you noticed how that is the case especially there in the not so holy, holy land? Disturbing the obsessions with those places might not be such a bad idea - a bit Caliguline maybe - but the Israelis still owe the Palestinians loads of cash for some past due real estate confiscations. I'm quite sure the UN would see it this way too. Hell, they make billions every time the Gaza strip gets restive at being illegally incarcerated, and using the situation as a fish-in-a-barrel testing ground for high tech weapons. So they can afford it now. Most real estate isn't nearly as expensive as very high tech weapons cost. Real estate investment tends to encourage peaceful lives too. .
It’s important not to associate the Roman terms* with the modern meanings. Roman pumpkin (pepon) would be a large melon, not the big orange fruit, and corn for Romans would be any cereal crop. The word corn has roots in practically all indo-European languages, and the yellow sweet fruit in Europe is usually called Maize.
@@matthewhemmings2464 Oh cool, I get it now. Thanks for the detailed explanation. I thought maybe he threw those bits in the podcast to see if we were paying attention, haha. Good bit of trivia thank you.
Nicholas Krupp To be honest I was a bit surprised too, and your comment made me ask a friend. It would not have been unseen for an historian to make an error in interpretation of an ancient text and for future people to think the Romans were battling with lightsabers while sipping on a pumpkin spice latte.
Christus Regnet Smoke and mirrors... but mostly mirrors (i.e. creation of "god" in man's image). This is an epiphany so ompheloskeptic, and reasoning so circular, it makes me dizzy just thinking about it. It's a mystery to me.
@@MendTheWorld My point was that Christianity doesn't function like a mystery religion. Anyone could walk into a church and be taught all of their doctrines. They didn't have to be invited, then spend years going through various degrees where at each stage, a few more secrets are revealed. It was functionally the opposite of that.
Not exactly at the time. Early christian believed in real presence in the eucharist, and this led to accusations of cannibalism. On top of this christianity was illegal and at various times persecuted. Because of this Christians often exercised a certain prudence. Such as locking the door of the church and having a door man or two. Another thing they did was, much the same as the modern catholic and othrodox churches, they didnt accept anyone roght away, instead before baptism one went through catechesis. When still going through catechesis one was called a Catechumen. All this to explain, catechumans got kicked out half way through mass so they wouldn't be there for the consecration.
The references made here are in the light of Roman Catholicism. Christianity took on many forms in the first few centuries, depending on the region. People like to speak as if there was some sort of organized religion but there wasn't unless one is pointing to a certain locality. The Jesus story is the most anti-religious story there is. The spread throughout the Empire is supposedly a mystery but it isn't a mystery at all. The people could go directly to the one and all-powerful God through the son of the God in they story as opposed to going through all the other devices. Wasn't long before people started inserting devices as requirements (themselves as religious leaders etc.), but the very notion of the individual having direct access to the one and all-powerful God speaks for itself. As revolutionary as it gets and yes, it caused major problems at local levels, especially economically. Most of them not only did not need to pay tribute to local priests/temples, it was against their "religion" to do so. Then a major religion was made out of it that forced it's followers to go through the prescribed religion and it's devices while persecuting any who did not bend the knee to the church. After 1000 years, some people started being able to get away with pointing to the story again and it caused another revolution of religious and individual freedom. Then major religions were made out of it again that forced their followers to go through the prescribed religion and their devices while persecuting those who did not bend the knee to them. Crazy humans. lol
1:11:35 I really don't see what people find so enduring about Cato... A man so jealous of Caesar, that he was willing to partake in a Civil War, just because he couldn't prosecute Caeser... People wanna spin that in to some high-mindedness about his love of the Republic... I think Cicero was more of a Patriot and genius then Cato ever was.
Because he was a political mastermind who made many brilliant decisions in the chess game he played with Pompeii and Caesar. He also killed himself rather than apologize which can be seen as pretty heroic in terms of sticking to their beliefs.
The map of the continental north is not correct. The Rhenus was the Limes. Traiectum ad Rhenum was on the Limes. I have seen this borderline in Utrecht as a work of art. I am from a village north of the Limes, North of Utrecht. Germania Magna. The Romans tried to move the border to prob the Elbe, but it failed. They were cut to pieces in the Teutoburgerwald.
Im pretty sure most farmers didnt just word dawn till dusk and then just eat and go to sleep. The meme of medieval peasants having more free time tham we do is hideously exaggerated, but they didnt just work for for all their waking hours.
I'm sorry, freed slaves in the modern context were NOT an extreme minority. in fact many slaves had better opportunities for becoming freed tradesmen than did the working poor. (in the colonies at least)
Gibbon said the major selling point for the Christian community was "mansions". Yep if you're a good boy you're gonna get a mansion in heaven! Imagine that.
...which is exactly what late Romans would have said before executing Goths, who had moved into Italian peninsula, in pogroms and riots. The same riots that would prompt Alaric to sack Rome in defence of the Gothic population in Italy.
Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for everyone IS White Genocide. Some basic truths: Access to White people is not a human right pbs.twimg.com/media/DZYsI_WWkAE8w5B.jpg
@@haldir3120Hey I'm here from 5 years in the future. They're still a net drain, do disproportionate crime, and now fly Palestinian flags while chanting vulgar stuff. It's happening just as "the right" predicted.
What's so great about a beard? You have to be careful about keeping it clean especially while drinking or eating soup? In the days when I was catting around at the tail end of the sexual revolution- I once got crabs and they love to lay their eggs at the base of the hair follicles. Every bearded man looks like Jesus and it becomes the male equivalent of the veil Islamic women wear. In a hot climate like Italy during the summer months, the beard is just more hair to absorb perspiration and act as an uncomfortable insulator. Hadrian wore the beard, as i understand it, because it was the sign he was a philosopher and therefore, less concerned with his appearance. It meant he was closer to nature. But city life isn't natural. The average Roman man kept his hair shorn and beard cut because, in military life, it is one less place to attract lice and not as easy to pull in battle. As civilized people, who loved Greek sculpture, they liked the beauty of the human form. Unlike primitive peoples, they liked it exposed and unadorned and realistically portrayed. And also not as primitive peoples who really don't tend to see what they are looking at. The Romans, at their height, could make good portraiture and not merely humanoid representations. In later periods as they absorbed less sophisticated tribal peoples, they forgot how to do it. Hair is constantly breaking - my shower shows a little around the drain after every rinse. The janitors of the baths must have hated the beard fashion when they had to pull great gobs of hair from around the drains or plugging the plumbing. Maybe the hot bath was good for discouraging lice? I know they were a problem for all classes until about the 19th century and even into the 20th in rural areas in this country and Europe. The Bible makes a lot about hair because somehow men thought their virility lived in their beards? Samson may have lost his strength, but Absalom died when it got caught in an overhead tree branch. Maybe the later writers had second thoughts? This podcast is so much better than a very vapid HBO special I saw years ago. I'm glad I only saw it as a Hulu free-be.
Crimea was considered in the sphere of influence of Rome but not inside the Roman borders itself. They also never conquered North of Belgica, that’s just false
Roman education was far superior to the content and discipline free modern school. The present-day student can't add or spell or write, and has no notion of grammar or argumentation ( rhetoric )
@@jorenvanderark3567fyi if you take White Americans as a demographic their academic achievement eclipses most populations in Europe. The same is true of East Asians compared to their respective countries.
that's present day prejudice for you. assume that everything was almost the same, then presume that things were worse back then and that it was entirely due to the moral failings of people in the past.
wtf? Are you talking about the accurate historical description of Roman wealth distribution? If this "leans communist" are you saying you think communism is validated by history?
I think the mass migrations of roving hordes had more to do with it. A society where the majority of men were militarized was a force unlike anything else the Romans had seen.
There is a little difference between not wanting to work and there being no work. Or as currently the case, there being work but no workers. The unemployment rate is below 5 percent yet for some unfathomable reason those who need more employees fail to embrace to law of supply and demand in lieu of complaining that people "don't want to work".
@@GabiN64 I would say that it was a range of factors, rooted in the fundament that the ruling classes forgot what the basis of social power actually was. It's not gold or personal wealth.
@@LTrotsky21stCentury "the poor" were most of the Roman Empire, as well as throughout the world, and they couldn't afford not to work even with food and drink allotments. It was the rich who could get away with not working hard, and some of them didn't. Did you even listen to the full podcast?
The description of Christianity in this episode is astonishingly inaccurate. Whatever he used as his source, it wasnt the Bible. Secret initiation rites?? No, Christian doctrine teaches that man, being dead in sin, is incapable of pleasing God; therefore God himself became a man and did everything necessary for mankind to be redeemed. Instead of doing works or performing rituals, just trust in Christ's work and words, and God will acknowledge you and actually reveal himself to you.
Early Pagan Christians (not called Christians until historians hundreds of years later) used to christ a person by bathing them in cannabis oil and dehydration to achieve a spiritual high.
Baptism, which is the initiation ceremony of the church, was illegal in Rome, so it had to be performed in secrecy. So yeah secret initiation rites sound right? Are you slow or?
@@Alamyst2011 The book of Acts very specifically mentions that Christians were first called by this name in the city of Antioch. This was within a decade after the death of Christ.
@@jseagull8483 Sadly that is not entirely accurate. The Greeks were calling the followers of Christo, Christians starting in about 130 A.D. based of factual evidence. Meaning Greek writtings from 130 A.D are the first to use the word Christo in reference to Jesus of Nazareth. The annointed one. The mention in Acts 11 is third hand lore that come from the New Testament, which was compiled some 100-400 years after the death of Jesus. The absurdity of a book written hundreds of years later claiming it knew the exact words of Agrippa is laughable. That is as much a joke as getting Roman history lessons from Shakespeare. Of course the three most prolific writters living then mentioned not Jesus nor his followers.
@@Alamyst2011 That the book of Acts was written 100 to 400 years after the death of Christ is merely an opinion, not a fact. Many modern scholars, it has been estimated roughly 50%, still believe that the book was written by the apostle Luke, a traveling companion of the apostle Paul, perhaps around 80 to 90 AD. The term itself was used by Ignatius in about 100 AD, followed shortly thereafter by Tacitus about 115. This is not of course, evidence that it was not used earlier, this is simply what has survived. The way Tacitus uses the term implies that while somewhat unfamiliar to his audience it was of some standing historically.
This has been the most disappointing episode so far. When Mr. Duncan sticks to the facts he is very good. But in this episode he starts to pontificate about Stoicism, Epicurianism and Christianity. Unfortunately he does so from the standpoint of a modern academic. You can hear in his language that he feels that Stoicism and Epicurianism were just unfairly misunderstood, but Christianity was just a bunch of hooey. This is the standard position of the modern academic. A great error was made all those centuries ago by all those people. They missed their opportunity to really thrive but instead they foolishly threw their fickle support behind Christianity. He has the academic's understanding of God and Christ: very little.
Amazing. Retrospective thought by any intelligent person should easily negotiate that 2000 years of advancement both cultural and technological could have started in Rome yet were subverted by a fictional, mass driven hysteria which plunged the world into a dark age.
Even more amazing is the discovery that the secret to untold technical and cultural flourishin is being carried around in the mind of @@Alamyst2011. Who knew? Does it not admit of even the slightest modicum of arrogance to think to oneself that one can, with only a modest education, size up the errors of history and pronounce the fix that would have set it all on a far more successful path? Does that not strike one as singularly exceptional? Because, when I think about the masses of people involved, each one influencing history in their own small way, for good and for bad, and over millennia since time immemorial, I think the claim is patently ridiculous. History took the path it did, and you may study the critical junctures for understanding, but to go the next step and decide that your substitute idea would have produced a better outcome, is in every way absurd.
You really believe that? They just beat their kids immediately if they incorrectly copied a letter they had never seen before? Helps explain why your history is allowed on RUclips
this podcast is the best thing on the internet
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I do not know if it is the BEST thing, but it is excellent !
Absolutely the best
its really great. you cant not learn something. (double negative)
It pretty thorough. I think lol
This was really great. Thank you for taking the time to do this for us.
26:15 is when that Gawd awful ringing ends.
thank you. i almost clicked away because i couldnt stand the ring, i skipped to 21 minutes in and it was still ringing,,, almost gave up hope lol
We was willing to give him a break coz Yano who does this type of podcast ringing or no ringing but better no ringing
the sound has a problem with ringing. A pretty bad problem that should not have been allowed to happen.
At the second section the ringing stops.. about 26:00 or so.
Thanks thought I was going crazy 🤪
Mike Duncan neglected to mention the small village on the North Atlantic coast, whose Indomitable Gauls made life quite awkward for the surrounding Roman garrisons :)
thanks to the secret formula of their druid getafix
I dont get it, but i want to
@@jacobhammock3355 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterix
It's one of the largest islands in the world.
@@nikolaivanovic1060 Getafix, so politically inappropriate, I love it!
Brilliant. I love this man's style and content. Thanks mate
Hand's down my favorite episode, it was great listening to this whilst playing Witcher 3.
What's with that ringing?
@Owen Gray I legit thouht i bleqw my speakers lol
That's what you hear when your eardrum loses the ability to hear a certain range of sound
I have actually been eager to get out of work so I can listen to your podcasts on the way home. How much time have I wasted listening to the same songs over and over lol
Turning pirates into "fowler-mouthed than average farmers" - love these subtle jokes!!! Keep adding them to Revolutions! Keep up the fantastic podcasting work!
'fouler'
@@incompetentobjectivist3850
Haven't you heard it's rude to correct someone's autocorrect? Sheeesh.
Thank you, its wonderful!
The best history presentation i have ever heard and i was a history major
So glad I discovered this podcast
Wow, the intense level of inequality is not often exposed or covered in-depth - I much appreciated understanding the socio-economic scale of the citizenry as often times we are primarily concerned with the economy as a whole in modern studies, which does not work in ancient imperial structures - as individuals and courts owned vast swaths of land.
Adeel Hussain poorly structured sentence my man..
@@calais321
What a genius.
@adeel Dang that is the KingHell of run-on sentences, among other issues. Hard to tell at a glance where one concept ends and another begins. But if this is not your native language, don’t beat yourself up. It’s a great effort and expresses adult ideas.
Amazing job, as always! Thanks.
Hi - I just wanted to thank you for this series - a lot of effort from you but it’s just fascinating. My hoppy is ancient history and this has helped join the dots so much.
29:22 "Because the one major upshot of early Roman education was that it left its pupils intellectually incurious, distrustful of teachers, and generally glad to be rid of anything that reminded them of school, books, or learning in general."
The same could be said of Western education today, and the West is in decline much like Rome.
Cept they applaud conformity and we individuality both ate an arse
There is a very high-pitched interference noise in the background. It's quite a low volume, but with headphones it is very, verrrrrrrry annoying. I've never heard this in any of your videos before.
Very annoying
You’re having a stroke. Cheers!
It's probably Cato.
@@parhhesia Now that's funny!
I guess mike duncan doesnt realize that some people like me. Learn best through repetition. This is my 2nd time listwning to this series. Why? Because my memory is shit and i need to read and watch things a minimum of 2-3 times before i retain it. I would thoroughly thrive in roman school.
Great Episode! Would you clarify about tin in Greece? (see 1:56:10) Was this just processing and making household goods opposed to mining in the countryside? I was under the impression there were no known tin sources in the ancient world in the eastern Mediterranean (hence the complex trade networks of the bronze age to acquire it).
From memory, I believe there were small-scale deposits around the Aegean, predominantly in Anatolia. Not near enough to support the civilizations of the Bronze Age (hence the trading), but the region isn't completely devoid of tin.
Does anyone know what kind of "working out" the Romans did?
Sorry, don't really know about that. I always associated the Greeks with the gymnasiums and the whole Olymian games scenario. They were the ones who competed naked and invented most of those classic type competitive games like wrestling. :) As for the Romans I don't really know and I haven't really heard anyone else speak of it either.
Yes, Romans worked out at the baths. They'd wrestle in a sand pit, before the "scraping"(I forget what its called).
@@histguy101 mostly different fighting, boxing wrestling wooden swords
Wow
Look at these maps ! (really great videos ...thank you so much for your time...)
Where is the "question time" mentioned at the end of this episode, its not at the start of the next episode?
The first segment really rings true, to this day.
it says episode 18
27:10 is when that obnoxious ringing stops
Why is an alarm ringing in the background ruining it for me but love all other episodes
Having your curiosity beat out of you through mandatory memorization over a prolonged period of time is hitting too close to home.
Crete. What about Crete?
Cant u make an episod about romans in south Amerika
You missed one. Pretty sure the Cappadocians escaped reprisal by Aurelian after they backed Zenobia to form part of the short lived Palmyrene Empire as well.
Provinces at 1:20:00
There is some annoying ringing in the video
I find the idea of just hearing a cart in the distance at night and contemplating ones own mortality as it rolls down a hill very funny.
The Romans exported far more than just wine and olive oil to the rest of the world. India purchased things like coral, gold, clothing, silver, and other roman goods. Most of the supposed trade deficit was really about a decline in morals brought about by (supposedly) purchase of silk from China. Or rather, merchants who bought the silk cheaply in china, then resold it several times heading west, where the price was dramatically marked up by the time it got to the Roman Empire.
Clothing made out of silk was more form fitting than the mediterranean cotton or linen garments.
It was more revealing and daring.
THey did not need to "buy" silver and gold. SIlver was mined in Spain and Greece, while gold was mined in Dacia (just some of the mines in the Empire). All these mines were "imperial mines", from where gold and silver flew through empire to India. :)
That was just the excuse they used. Far more likely, the Empire's gold supplies were being drained, by funneling so much into trade with the East. It's kind of like how many USD China gets for mass production currently, except they are not a finite amount.
It wasn’t a scheme to make silk expensive. There were simply no travelers who traveled the entire length of the Silk Road and thus all the silk had been resold server all times over due to a logistics issue
Good point. The idea Rome was at a trade deficit was probably introduced by anti-Eastern sentiments of the era. Conservative Romans would talk about the decline of moral values brought by their contemporaries spending fortunes on exotic foreign goods. Historians probably also extended the sentiment due to the situation of their time as the West as promoted an anti-Eastern sentiment for most of its history. The reality is that the Empire was making incredible profits from taxing imports.
For me this is my favorite episode of this series.
i carry on the roman morning tradition... but i work from home so it's pretty easy to do it that way lol
So you’d be a Roman Philosopher ^^
Long live the Roman empire
IMPERIVM vs REPVBLICA
*pleb cries over both choices*
*sounds of whips cracking and 40 thousand legionarie boots marching*
REGNVM
you missed Crete
What happened to Crete it's a different color than the other 3 Greek provinces. Also this series is amazing.
Crete was part of a province with cyrenaica
Where is the episode where he answers questions?
That was the 100th episode special. Most of the questions were about him and his family. A lot of it was personal and the episode wasn't meant to be a part of the history narrative. If I had thought it would add to the overall scheme I would have included it. All of his original episodes can still be found on his podcast channel which I have linked in the description.
Can you please do a episode on me I'm very interesting
There is an annoying background white noise tho..
Did he mention Crete & Cyprus? I don't think he did.
I guess they were not to dissimilar from the Greek 'type' of roman by this point in history
They called it the Roman dream because you had to be asleep to believe in it
Just looking at this map is surreal. An empire with these borders truely seems like something out of a fiction.
If Trajan had lived 10 more years, it would have included most of the Middle East, but that would have required a standing army of like 500,000.
@@geordiejones5618 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
There would have been a far more peaceful atmosphere in the major fora, I think. High walls seem to have separated them from the vehicular traffic. At least that is what some of the models based on the marble map found in the Tabularium show. I once visited some relatives in Naples over 40 years ago and they lived in a neighborhood very like an old roman city. And it wasn't particularly noisy or irritating, just lively. You could hang a basket out the window with some coins and get a calzone from the street vendors. The narrow streets keep the sun from baking the buildings, something I understand people didn't like about the post fire, Neronian improvements with wider major streets. Romans liked to walk in the shade. Italy can be very hot in the summer.
There is a controversy on RUclips debating whether the Temple mount was actually the actual site of the temple, one of possibly four temples or whether it was the Fortress Antonia. It is large enough to be the fortress that would contain a legion - over 8,000 men and support functions. But if it was the temple built by Herod the Great it is sometimes shown as a smallish temple building surrounded by colonnades and market buildings. There is no real answer and apparently the foundations for the Fortress Antonia don't exist anymore? Isn't that highly unlikely that the fortress would be gone completely? If the temple was surrounded by commercial enterprises, possibly to generate income for the temple maintenance and personnel, is it also possible that is what was also being done with all the arcades in the Roman temples? The colonnades were a way to build in an income to pay for the sacrifices offered to the founders memories perhaps?
I'd love to know the answer, because it suggests that Jesus - who came in from the country, may have mistaken Roman city planning and financial arrangements as the Temple being prostituted for business purposes? The money changers were a Torah sanctioned aspect of temple worship. Or if the Temple was actually located beside and below the Temple mount, in the City of David, then either the wailing wall is the base of the commercial structure surrounding the temple or the surviving fragments of the Roman fortress and a reminder of the forces who actually destroyed the temple to the ground. Or is it the base of the Hadrianic rebuild of the temple?
If it was the Fortress Antonia, than even Islam has the Dome of the Rock in the wrong place and the rock is actually the base of an altar for a temple that would have sat in the center of a permanent military installation rather like West Point, or the Air Force Academy in Colorado have chapels. But religious people I've known tend to say the buildings aren't that important and loving the masonry is a kind of idolatry. But I'll take a beautiful building over a dull or even stupid sermon every time. .
Hope the channel master reads this and answers some of your questions.
@@rudolphguarnacci197 - How would a "channel master" have the slightest clue as to how to answer my question?
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The host.
@@rudolphguarnacci197 - He hasn't answered so I don't think he knows. I don't think anyone really knows how to answer the questions? It would require major disruptive archeological exploration and that would get everyone upset. If they actually found the answers to those questions it might even disturb everyone's obsessions with the places? Actually the idea that the original temple might be below the temple mount has some archeological evidence to back it up, but the video was created by some American Christians. Everyone has an interest in the answers and not everyone would believe them even if the definitive answer was found. Haven't you noticed how that is the case especially there in the not so holy, holy land?
Disturbing the obsessions with those places might not be such a bad idea - a bit Caliguline maybe - but the Israelis still owe the Palestinians loads of cash for some past due real estate confiscations. I'm quite sure the UN would see it this way too. Hell, they make billions every time the Gaza strip gets restive at being illegally incarcerated, and using the situation as a fish-in-a-barrel testing ground for high tech weapons. So they can afford it now. Most real estate isn't nearly as expensive as very high tech weapons cost. Real estate investment tends to encourage peaceful lives too. .
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You're a bit all over the place. I think England is to blame for all the woes of the world.
So who do you think NATO really is?
1:14:15 - how to turn water into wine, go figure...
Jesus that ringing
1:13:20 pumpkin production? 1:38:49 corn production?
It’s important not to associate the Roman terms* with the modern meanings. Roman pumpkin (pepon) would be a large melon, not the big orange fruit, and corn for Romans would be any cereal crop. The word corn has roots in practically all indo-European languages, and the yellow sweet fruit in Europe is usually called Maize.
@@matthewhemmings2464 Oh cool, I get it now. Thanks for the detailed explanation. I thought maybe he threw those bits in the podcast to see if we were paying attention, haha. Good bit of trivia thank you.
Nicholas Krupp To be honest I was a bit surprised too, and your comment made me ask a friend. It would not have been unseen for an historian to make an error in interpretation of an ancient text and for future people to think the Romans were battling with lightsabers while sipping on a pumpkin spice latte.
Well, the Roman matron didn’t raise her children any more, but foreign slaves. So their influence ( culture, belief system etc ) became more and more
I know we’re going over Ancient Rome but it sounds like how modern America does it!
in every time period the elites seem to have the same goals and ambitions... not to mention the same pseudo morality.
I count over 50 provinces or so on that map alone :)
Some would have been client states.
40 actually
Emperor Tinnitus sure was a bastard
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One of the top three comments on RUclips ever
Its seems to me that Christianity is like the opposite of a mystery religion. They took in anyone, and revealed all to anyone.
Christus Regnet Smoke and mirrors... but mostly mirrors (i.e. creation of "god" in man's image). This is an epiphany so ompheloskeptic, and reasoning so circular, it makes me dizzy just thinking about it. It's a mystery to me.
@@MendTheWorld My point was that Christianity doesn't function like a mystery religion. Anyone could walk into a church and be taught all of their doctrines. They didn't have to be invited, then spend years going through various degrees where at each stage, a few more secrets are revealed. It was functionally the opposite of that.
your forgetting it was illegal at the time, so probably pretty mysterious.
Not exactly at the time. Early christian believed in real presence in the eucharist, and this led to accusations of cannibalism. On top of this christianity was illegal and at various times persecuted. Because of this Christians often exercised a certain prudence. Such as locking the door of the church and having a door man or two. Another thing they did was, much the same as the modern catholic and othrodox churches, they didnt accept anyone roght away, instead before baptism one went through catechesis. When still going through catechesis one was called a Catechumen. All this to explain, catechumans got kicked out half way through mass so they wouldn't be there for the consecration.
The references made here are in the light of Roman Catholicism. Christianity took on many forms in the first few centuries, depending on the region. People like to speak as if there was some sort of organized religion but there wasn't unless one is pointing to a certain locality.
The Jesus story is the most anti-religious story there is. The spread throughout the Empire is supposedly a mystery but it isn't a mystery at all. The people could go directly to the one and all-powerful God through the son of the God in they story as opposed to going through all the other devices.
Wasn't long before people started inserting devices as requirements (themselves as religious leaders etc.), but the very notion of the individual having direct access to the one and all-powerful God speaks for itself.
As revolutionary as it gets and yes, it caused major problems at local levels, especially economically. Most of them not only did not need to pay tribute to local priests/temples, it was against their "religion" to do so.
Then a major religion was made out of it that forced it's followers to go through the prescribed religion and it's devices while persecuting any who did not bend the knee to the church.
After 1000 years, some people started being able to get away with pointing to the story again and it caused another revolution of religious and individual freedom.
Then major religions were made out of it again that forced their followers to go through the prescribed religion and their devices while persecuting those who did not bend the knee to them.
Crazy humans. lol
1:11:35 I really don't see what people find so enduring about Cato... A man so jealous of Caesar, that he was willing to partake in a Civil War, just because he couldn't prosecute Caeser... People wanna spin that in to some high-mindedness about his love of the Republic... I think Cicero was more of a Patriot and genius then Cato ever was.
Because he was a political mastermind who made many brilliant decisions in the chess game he played with Pompeii and Caesar. He also killed himself rather than apologize which can be seen as pretty heroic in terms of sticking to their beliefs.
A day in ancient Rome sounds far more fun than in modern times tbh.
Edit: Oh yes, there were the slaves...
Gotta be a citizen! Lol
@@audreydempsey247 please the UN wishes it could be Rome.
The map of the continental north is not correct. The Rhenus was the Limes. Traiectum ad Rhenum was on the Limes. I have seen this borderline in Utrecht as a work of art. I am from a village north of the Limes, North of Utrecht. Germania Magna. The Romans tried to move the border to prob the Elbe, but it failed. They were cut to pieces in the Teutoburgerwald.
It.... was also a Roman Province.
As the saying goes - strong men produce good times, good times produce weak men, weak men produce bad times and bad times produce strong men.
"bourgeois lifestyle" sounds quite anachronistic.
1:38:49
is this reference to the corn production thing?
Awful ringing sound
Im pretty sure most farmers didnt just word dawn till dusk and then just eat and go to sleep.
The meme of medieval peasants having more free time tham we do is hideously exaggerated, but they didnt just work for for all their waking hours.
Rome and America, two sides of the same coin.
Im at 36:18 and is shocking how till now he could perfectly be describing today's western civilization
do you REALLY feel that way about todays society in the west?
Love the Fleetwood Mac intro
any idea what song please?
Anyone else catch the Ayn Rand joke? Good stuff
"Fire-breathing Marxist," lol
I mean are there any othe ones?
@@MichalSoukup1995 no
He says listening to a man's hard labour intensive life's work for free
1hour 39 minute: Corn and beans being produced within the roman empire?? Before 1492?
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Saturn in the house of Osiris 😂❤
Wow
Fact: There is more of a wealth disparity in modern America between the classes then in Ancient Rome.
Corn before the discovery of America? Think somebody made a mistake
It isnt the same corn. Corn just means cereal or grain produce. Not the American use of the word
You mention Africa giving Rome corn. But corn was a native food from the america's in which did not arrive to EU will at least mid 1500's.
Fireexit bro corn is the general term for grain. Wheat, millet barley, rye... was all generalized as "corn" or cereal.
I think only Americans call maize corn
@@Sparticulous Actually we call it maize.
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I'm sorry, freed slaves in the modern context were NOT an extreme minority. in fact many slaves had better opportunities for becoming freed tradesmen than did the working poor. (in the colonies at least)
Congrats... on making the most annoying Ringing torture video
Gibbon said the major selling point for the Christian community was "mansions". Yep if you're a good boy you're gonna get a mansion in heaven! Imagine that.
The 'mansions' are actually the constellations of the zodiac and the lunar stations commonly known now as 'houses'.
Yeah , Gibbon had a major anti Christian bent , which showed in idiotic statements like that
Epicurus sound like hippies
End the UN/EU send all economic migrants home ASAP.
...which is exactly what late Romans would have said before executing Goths, who had moved into Italian peninsula, in pogroms and riots. The same riots that would prompt Alaric to sack Rome in defence of the Gothic population in Italy.
Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for everyone IS White Genocide.
Some basic truths: Access to White people is not a human right
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Cecil Henry the tinfoil is strong enough with this one.
@@haldir3120Hey I'm here from 5 years in the future. They're still a net drain, do disproportionate crime, and now fly Palestinian flags while chanting vulgar stuff. It's happening just as "the right" predicted.
The berbers/moors were not dark skinned
What's so great about a beard? You have to be careful about keeping it clean especially while drinking or eating soup? In the days when I was catting around at the tail end of the sexual revolution- I once got crabs and they love to lay their eggs at the base of the hair follicles. Every bearded man looks like Jesus and it becomes the male equivalent of the veil Islamic women wear. In a hot climate like Italy during the summer months, the beard is just more hair to absorb perspiration and act as an uncomfortable insulator.
Hadrian wore the beard, as i understand it, because it was the sign he was a philosopher and therefore, less concerned with his appearance. It meant he was closer to nature. But city life isn't natural. The average Roman man kept his hair shorn and beard cut because, in military life, it is one less place to attract lice and not as easy to pull in battle. As civilized people, who loved Greek sculpture, they liked the beauty of the human form. Unlike primitive peoples, they liked it exposed and unadorned and realistically portrayed. And also not as primitive peoples who really don't tend to see what they are looking at. The Romans, at their height, could make good portraiture and not merely humanoid representations. In later periods as they absorbed less sophisticated tribal peoples, they forgot how to do it.
Hair is constantly breaking - my shower shows a little around the drain after every rinse. The janitors of the baths must have hated the beard fashion when they had to pull great gobs of hair from around the drains or plugging the plumbing. Maybe the hot bath was good for discouraging lice? I know they were a problem for all classes until about the 19th century and even into the 20th in rural areas in this country and Europe.
The Bible makes a lot about hair because somehow men thought their virility lived in their beards? Samson may have lost his strength, but Absalom died when it got caught in an overhead tree branch. Maybe the later writers had second thoughts?
This podcast is so much better than a very vapid HBO special I saw years ago. I'm glad I only saw it as a Hulu free-be.
Crimea was considered in the sphere of influence of Rome but not inside the Roman borders itself. They also never conquered North of Belgica, that’s just false
Go back
didnt you see the map?
Not vomitoriums...it is vomitoria!
Roman education was far superior to the content and discipline free modern school. The present-day student can't add or spell or write, and has no notion of grammar or argumentation ( rhetoric )
With all due respect. Keep your American failures to yourselves.
@@jorenvanderark3567 Touche!!
@@jorenvanderark3567fyi if you take White Americans as a demographic their academic achievement eclipses most populations in Europe. The same is true of East Asians compared to their respective countries.
This is Mike Duncan’s intellectual property.
He seems shocked that educational practices of the ancient world don’t conform to present expectations.
that's present day prejudice for you.
assume that everything was almost the same, then presume that things were worse back then and that it was entirely due to the moral failings of people in the past.
The child like mind of christians are still waiting for the sky daddy to come back from 7-11 with cigarettes...
Don't cut yourself on that edge eh
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Roman Republic Was better.
if your poor there about as bad as each other for standards of living. the late republic in fact might of been even worse than the early imperial age.
What a wonderful history lesson, if i can only get past the communist leanings.
wtf? Are you talking about the accurate historical description of Roman wealth distribution? If this "leans communist" are you saying you think communism is validated by history?
@@KarlEriksenopinion he's probably seething because Mike didn't say the masses of homeless poor should be working... uhm.. somewhere?
To apply current logic to the past: Rome fell because the poor were lazy and didn't want to work.
I think the mass migrations of roving hordes had more to do with it. A society where the majority of men were militarized was a force unlike anything else the Romans had seen.
@@GabiN64 I take mikes stance that rome refused to integrate the Germans for whatever reason
There is a little difference between not wanting to work and there being no work.
Or as currently the case, there being work but no workers. The unemployment rate is below 5 percent yet for some unfathomable reason those who need more employees fail to embrace to law of supply and demand in lieu of complaining that people "don't want to work".
@@GabiN64 I would say that it was a range of factors, rooted in the fundament that the ruling classes forgot what the basis of social power actually was. It's not gold or personal wealth.
@@LTrotsky21stCentury "the poor" were most of the Roman Empire, as well as throughout the world, and they couldn't afford not to work even with food and drink allotments. It was the rich who could get away with not working hard, and some of them didn't. Did you even listen to the full podcast?
The description of Christianity in this episode is astonishingly inaccurate. Whatever he used as his source, it wasnt the Bible. Secret initiation rites?? No, Christian doctrine teaches that man, being dead in sin, is incapable of pleasing God; therefore God himself became a man and did everything necessary for mankind to be redeemed. Instead of doing works or performing rituals, just trust in Christ's work and words, and God will acknowledge you and actually reveal himself to you.
Early Pagan Christians (not called Christians until historians hundreds of years later) used to christ a person by bathing them in cannabis oil and dehydration to achieve a spiritual high.
Baptism, which is the initiation ceremony of the church, was illegal in Rome, so it had to be performed in secrecy. So yeah secret initiation rites sound right? Are you slow or?
@@Alamyst2011 The book of Acts very specifically mentions that Christians were first called by this name in the city of Antioch. This was within a decade after the death of Christ.
@@jseagull8483 Sadly that is not entirely accurate. The Greeks were calling the followers of Christo, Christians starting in about 130 A.D. based of factual evidence. Meaning Greek writtings from 130 A.D are the first to use the word Christo in reference to Jesus of Nazareth. The annointed one. The mention in Acts 11 is third hand lore that come from the New Testament, which was compiled some 100-400 years after the death of Jesus. The absurdity of a book written hundreds of years later claiming it knew the exact words of Agrippa is laughable. That is as much a joke as getting Roman history lessons from Shakespeare. Of course the three most prolific writters living then mentioned not Jesus nor his followers.
@@Alamyst2011 That the book of Acts was written 100 to 400 years after the death of Christ is merely an opinion, not a fact. Many modern scholars, it has been estimated roughly 50%, still believe that the book was written by the apostle Luke, a traveling companion of the apostle Paul, perhaps around 80 to 90 AD.
The term itself was used by Ignatius in about 100 AD, followed shortly thereafter by Tacitus about 115. This is not of course, evidence that it was not used earlier, this is simply what has survived. The way Tacitus uses the term implies that while somewhat unfamiliar to his audience it was of some standing historically.
This has been the most disappointing episode so far. When Mr. Duncan sticks to the facts he is very good. But in this episode he starts to pontificate about Stoicism, Epicurianism and Christianity. Unfortunately he does so from the standpoint of a modern academic. You can hear in his language that he feels that Stoicism and Epicurianism were just unfairly misunderstood, but Christianity was just a bunch of hooey.
This is the standard position of the modern academic. A great error was made all those centuries ago by all those people. They missed their opportunity to really thrive but instead they foolishly threw their fickle support behind Christianity.
He has the academic's understanding of God and Christ: very little.
You sure read a lot into very little.
@@yungsouichi2317, they're not original ideas. They are standard fare at every university, and easy to recognize.
It’s actually dan Carlin
Amazing. Retrospective thought by any intelligent person should easily negotiate that 2000 years of advancement both cultural and technological could have started in Rome yet were subverted by a fictional, mass driven hysteria which plunged the world into a dark age.
Even more amazing is the discovery that the secret to untold technical and cultural flourishin is being carried around in the mind of @@Alamyst2011. Who knew?
Does it not admit of even the slightest modicum of arrogance to think to oneself that one can, with only a modest education, size up the errors of history and pronounce the fix that would have set it all on a far more successful path? Does that not strike one as singularly exceptional?
Because, when I think about the masses of people involved, each one influencing history in their own small way, for good and for bad, and over millennia since time immemorial, I think the claim is patently ridiculous. History took the path it did, and you may study the critical junctures for understanding, but to go the next step and decide that your substitute idea would have produced a better outcome, is in every way absurd.
You really believe that? They just beat their kids immediately if they incorrectly copied a letter they had never seen before? Helps explain why your history is allowed on RUclips