Things Aren't Looking Good for DC after Layoffs - Comic Class
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- We've all heard about it by now, but after a string of layoffs at DC Comics a lot of people are concerned about the future of DC. Today we cover what we know, what we don't know, and what this could all mean.
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DC Comics: "You can't get rid of us! We're an endless idea factory!"
Also DC Comics: "Hey! Let's callback to yet another thing we read as kids!"
AT&T should not be this big. No company should be even close to that big
Yeah Disney’s the bigger deal
Get enough politicians that will actually *enforce* anti trust laws.
I know it is kind of off topic but does anybody know a good site to watch newly released movies online?
@Jamie Titus I watch on FlixZone. You can find it on google :)
@Marley Emery yea, I have been using FlixZone for months myself =)
The tetris music is fitting due to the fact that its like DC is at top of the stack trying to fit the pieces in before game over
I have been afraid for a while now that the comic are just going to become one off stories with no continuitey aimed more at kids. I can see Superman and Batman just becoming like throw away comics with no real substance. No history. No character growth. Just generic throw away stories.
This is why I really hate how everything gets gobbled up by megacorps. The minute things go bad it is always the lesser parts that get gutted first. AT&T don't care about DC comics and it shows.
AKA Silver Age Part II
DC was aimed at kids for decades until they realised that they were just prepping up young readers for marvel. Mostly because before marvel their main competition (if there was any) was Archie comics.
This was the reason of the first explosion/implosion and the ridiculous banners dc comics are not just for kids later on..
You can see why DC is doing this.Both DC and Marvel the stories have become so complicated if you don't also buy 5 other books to follow the plot.Then you have the obligatory killing off a major figure only to bring them back in 3-6 months.And add to the fact that they want damn near$5 an issue you can see why sales have dropped.This doesn't even factor in Covid.
How ur health been man. Stay safe 🙏 ur content is a necessity!
When I see the notification: “Oh, hey Aaron uploaded a new video. I wonder what it’s about?”
* checks title *
* sees article about Ben Affleck Batman around the same time *
“Wow, that timing is impeccable!”
But on the real, I do hope that DC will be able to recover from this and the people who got layed off find the jobs they need.
Days for firing and why.
Monday is the best day as it makes it easier for remaining employees to adjust to working without the firee in the office.
Tuesday is the best day for HR so they can get the paperwork.
Wednesday is the best day as ensures employee gets support, legal or other advice.
Thursday is the best as it allows time for dialog.
Friday is the best day as easy for payroll and employee has the weekend.
7:20 I'm sure Didio is a good guy in real life, but I'm *kinda* glad that he can't hurt character's I like anymore. The backlash "Heroes In Crisis" got (Which is becoming FAR more accurate descriptor for the future of the books than I expected) probably did not help either. Who gets the blame when the comics got gritty again? Didio.
He's the reason why heroes can't get married and he really hates legacy characters right? A very big reason why comics are always stuck with the status quo.
Dan Diddio did irreplaceable damage to DC.
@@mr.dccomics9018 Clearly.
As a Transformer fan Dan Didio is a blight on any IP he has any input on so Im glad he and his cronies have been cleared out
TLDR:
Me going into the video: Oh I wonder what DC did wrong this time
Prof Thorgi: Bro there might not even be a DC soon
AT&T was likely to make these cuts even without the pandemic. They're just not interested in publishing.
Because traditional publishing is very much becoming a loss leader while digital publishing is still a niche market. Where's the immediate profit for them in that?
Can’t wait to discover that AT&T is run by Darkseid
Nah, Lex Luthor.
the Joker
Joker was based on King of Comedy. you don't need DC to reskin classic movies with goofy costumes. WB knows that.
King of Comedy and Taxi Driver.
You could have called it Clown, changed the names and removed the alley scenes and voila. Noone would think it had anything to do with the Joker.
Video game people running a comic firm? Go ask Valiant how that turned out.
Hey, I count promoting the creator of Spencer And Locke as a high note to end on. After an episode dealing with ruthless corporate bookkeeping, Jim Lee proving what a corporate weasel he always has been and watching DC Comics make the latest version of the same mistakes they made last century, I needed that.
You know, the only thing keeping me from switching over to digital is that I can't keep the DC or Marvel comics that I purchase. For some reason the Big Two won't let people download the comic books they buy and save them on a hard drive or data card or in some way so that we, the owners, can read the comic at any time we choose.
DC needs to restructure, they need to cut the number of comics thry publish a year no need for 4 direct Batman Books a month AND Black Label AND the YA Novels...
2 Batman's a month, 2 Supermans, 1 a month of your top 7 other heroes and then characters like Booster Gold and Blue Beetle and Firestorm can all be put together in a monthly Anthology and you can do that for a Dozen heroes, every 3 or 4 become a Monthly Anthology. Put out 40 titles a year rather than 40 a month, then everything can become Trade Paperbacks at the end of the year.
I say make just 1 Batman and 1 Superman, they still get enough exposure with JL and Trinity not mention popping up in other characters books.
Titans book would sell lots
DC is not allowed its own destiny. Warner Consumer Products fumbles the reach of the merch. Warner's publishing only does a few novels once in a blue moon. The film and TV divisions do foul balls. The games are by Warner Games. And the company itself over invests in Batman and does not educate the masses as to the basics of its other characters. People think Superman is a God with no weaknesses for frak sake! The company has spent 35 years fucking itself and its overlords have strip mined it. Plus DiDio just need to tweak a few character brands back to normal not three quasi reboots and a hard reboot. DC is going to become like Zorro, Phantom, and Conan. Frozen in time and dusted off once in three decades. Didio over reached, Geoff was spread too thin, and they did not take control of their brand across media. And Marvel has a protector-Kevin Feige-who will one day run the House of Mouse with a Marvel focus. Comics are the advertising that keeps and replenishes the fan base long after the movie franchise has ended, long after the hit series has been cancelled, and long between video games.
You forget The Shadow.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Damn. That means I have committed an original sin, too. Eh, who's going to know?
@@DCMarvelMultiverse No, an original omission...there's a difference.
Oh and I almost forgot...all hail Lord Feige!
@@johnathonhaney8291 Uh. You do get the references right?
So the general rule of thumb for pricing is three times that it cost to make your product. One third goes to making the product again. One third goes to your over head. One third is your profit. Let's be generous and assume DC follows that. So the 350,000,000 in revenue will translate to 116,666,665 in a VERY GENEROUS estimate of profit.
Bravo! Thank you and scream it to the world: "Corporations don't care about you!"
16:46 "angry RUclipsrs are *now* paranoid about being crushed under [YA/diverse comics'] growing power" -- That's what it always was. Their insistence that there was no real audience for those comics was simultaneously an attempt to scare the Big Two into pulling back from YA/diversity initiatives and a means of reassuring themselves that they weren't going to be supplanted as the Big Two's target audience. (I mean, it was also a oozing toxic cesspool where people got to be openly bigoted, and that definitely attracted a lot of people too, but white supremacists are used to being paranoid about being "replaced" so it was a natural fit.)
So the toxics got upset because they got old? Christ and Heru, and to think they accuse Boomers of such Peter Pan antics.
"Content" , "Franchises" , "Enterprise"
Thats all i need to know where the company is heading, thanks Jim 😔
Harras and Chase were hated by fans. Just look at their comments and involvement in the N52. Basically, all the sinners have been let go for the most part. However, Lee is not cut out for this. He ran his own company into the ground. He is not a Stan Lee pitch man. The company has no Kevin Feige.
THANK YOU! Frankly, I absolutely distrust Jim Lee for being a ladder climber and social weasel. Like the rest of the Image founders, he eventually bit off more than he could chew and now he's choking on it.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Absolutely. That's what happens when you keep playing things to safe. You end up being the only one crawling back to mainstream comics. Most of the other founders still hold high positions at Image. The only less than stellar exceptions being Whilce Portacio (not doing too much these days) and Rob Liefeld. They've even got Robert Kirkman as a strong replacement for Todd McFarlane.
@@mysteriiis I got no warm fuzzies for the rest of the founders, just so we're clear. Liefeld was the other one who (less successfully than Lee) went running back to Daddy first out of the Image founders. So did Erik Larsen a little later. And Kirkman is his own man in a way Mcfarlane never was. But then Kirkman IS a writer as opposed to a rip-off artist.
Cutting things not profitable and focusing on what sells is a good thing. It's the Jim Shooter Marvel approach, where it pushed creators to do their best work to survive.
What needs to be done is to fold animation and character brands like HB and MGM cartoons into DC and spin it off as a separate entity with WB/AT&T with a stake. It is what happened with Viacom's original version in the 80s. AT&T would just collect a check. Comics are what keep and build an audience long after the film franchise has ended, long after the hit show has ended, long after the last video game came out. Comics are the best advertising.
DC's comic world was always my favorite between it and Marvel's. I remember really getting into it when the New 52 started. I followed as many serials as I could until I got fed up of the monthly wait and decided to take as long as I can off comics to accumulate a lot to read. Meanwhile, reading standalone stories, I watched from the sidelines how it turned to DC Rebirth and sort of lost track when it, too, was dropped. Then, at some point in time, as I began to watch channels like Comicstorian and branched to reading in other mediums, I felt the repetitiveness in comics and compared it to stories of different mediums. I came to realize DC's formula for its comic world. The best word I think to describe it is monotonous! You especially get a taste of it in Batman's comics, since he is everywhere. These days, I can't even bring myself to listen to anything DC uploaded by Comicstorian and the rest.
@ULGROTHA For one brief moment in the 1990s, they did allow time to move forward. There was a twitch of that in Rebirth too. But in the end, they always revert to type.
Jim Lee addressing “my concerns” was bad when it was The X-Men- it’s never good
Oof...THAT bad on X-Men, pal?
Johnathon Haney Jim Lee could never resolve all the mysteries and plot points he brought up in his run, it was all just *too* *much* *at* *once* !
@@Popcultureguy3000 Jim Lee only had like 6 issues in charge of the X Men. X Men 1, 2 and 3 doesnt count, It was Claremonths.
He introduced Gambits wife.. and that plot ended. He introduced Omega Red... and that plot had its end. A small Mojo story that has it ending. Ant that was it.
What other plots he didnt resolve?.
I walked into the shop and I was thinking these books are all over the place and nothing looked good from DC. Big oof man. What happened? Oh I should exclude Young Animal. Their books have been insanely great. They need to keep that going as long as possible even if Way has to take back seat to focus on other things.
What about Justice League or Batman/Superman? Sure, both books stopped tying into the Metal Saga a while back (although Justice League will be getting tie-ins to Death Metal, so that's nice), but they're still serviceable books. Batman and Detective Comics are pretty good right now too under James Tynion IV (AKA diet Scott Snyder. That's not an insult, by the way) and Peter J. Tomasi. Speaking of the Metal Saga, there's Death Metal going on right now, and anything by Scott Snyder is guaranteed to be a good time at this point. Last but not least is DCeased, AKA DC's answer to Marvel Zombies and an excellent story in its own right.
@@smashmaster521 ...DCeased and Death Metal are two of the three apocalypses published by DC this year. The third being "Heroes in Crisis". DC's gone to this well way, way too many times.
@@msrlapin99 Okay, first off, Heroes in Crisis is NOT an Apocalypse story. Second, at least the Metal Saga and DCeased are good stories that respect the characters featured in them.
@Tyler Davis Because Bendis, am I right?
@@smashmaster521 just what happened to him man? He created Ultimate spiderman and kickstarted the ultimate universe before it all went to hell
Thank you for bringing attention to indies at a time like this. I love DC and Marvel but the ones who stand to lose everything are the tiny guys at the end of the day, even if there's been success in media with adaptations. I'm most of all scared for the book stores.
If any of the small book sellers got a way to sell online, support them through that channel if you can.
It's about The Bottom Line...
*THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS*
In my opinion, the best thing dc has been doing has been collecting full runs in their book format. Makes everything so much easier and while I can’t speak for everyone, at least for me it’s been drawing me into dc much more lately.
Agreed. TPBs are the best way to read comics in this day and age. It's how I've been able to keep up with the Metal Saga.
smashmaster521 it’s what got me to start on a ton of dc comics I would have otherwise missed, JSA, Green Lantern, Animal Man, even looking into JLA by Morrison and The Flash collections by Johns and Waid! Marvel has had a leg up in the trade department for years since it for the most part has always focused on collecting its full runs as opposed to just its notable stories like dc was doing. So honestly dc collecting full runs like they’re doing now may save them in the long run.
yh the trades make it easier to read through big stories
Amber Valkerie most definitely! Plus it makes the process of hunting down and collecting the complete stories all the easier
The Joker 2019 was based on The King of comedy.
AND Taxi Driver...Scorcese was attached to Joker for a reason until he bailed.
Comic Class with Professor Thorgi on my birthday. It doesn't get any better then that.
24:30 My answer to such know-it-all online comic dweebs, Thorgi, is this gem of a quote from Matt Wagner's "The Devil's Advocate": "Maybes are only for the loser."
oh so this is the continuation of the old 2020 gag.Why didn't I pick this up lol
Jim Lee probably told this to AT&T so as to not cancel all the comics together. They probably going to put comics under research and development.
Still shocked they fired the guy in charge of DC Black. He's been very successful, and should've been promoted, but it looks like that was solely a money move; aka he cost too much.
I hope they keep the DC Black label going, but maybe now the stories will be sold as trades/graphic novels now; rather than monthly, oversized floppies.
Honestly, the graphic novel way, every demographic, with different characters and sequels, might be the best route, with single issues being mostly digital or in Walmart/Target.
Love that answer nothing I thought he would used clip of someone saying nothing.
I don’t think Disney will close marvel because they know people care about it. By that I mean they don’t actually care about our feelings, but they know that’s it would be better for business in the long run to keep it open.
Disney is run by a bunch of evil geniuses in exactly a way that benefits Marvel's continued existence. You know those IDW-Marvel comics? Yeah, that's Disney saying "Let's get other people to pay us for the privilege of writing/publishing our most popular characters, while we invest our own money in making new characters we can mine for content later." It helps that Marvel actually has created new characters in the past decade-ish that have had mainstream appeal and real success (Kamala Khan, Miles Morales, etc.) And it *especially* helps Marvel that Disney itself has a brand identity that new character creation or interpretation of old ones is a pillar of. So for Disney, it actually does seem worth it to keep that Marvel IP creation machine going.
Plus Disney shelled out $4 billion for Marvel only 11 years ago. They're not taking it for granted the way AT&T is DC. To AT&T, DC is just one of dozens of portfolios they just happened to acquire, and it's one that doesn't seem to be pulling its weight to them. It's a different dynamic.
@@erraticonteuse I'd argue even WB took DC for granted before AT&T gobbled them up. That's how you wind up with the kind of colossal disasters like DCEU crashing and burning when the higher-ups are paying attention and sublime successes like Arrowverse when they could care less.
The way I see it things need to change. You can't expect things to remain the same. DC needs to change in order to be profitable.
Didn't you see the video? DC could have changed and become _five times_ more profitable, and it wouldn't have meant shit, because it got bought out by a soulless corporation that doesn't care about comics and already makes more money than God.
Batman is DCs "Wolverine "...
In the 90s. Because Marvel stopped over using wolevine for 00s. They even softened his personality.
DC's and even Marvel's biggest problem is the lack of cohesion between the Comics, TV, Games and Merch, they need to take a page out of the Manga/Anime industry where they have a symbiotic relationship with one another, they need to make animated series that follow the comics, the reason I feel a lot of people don't get into the comics is basically completely different from every other form of media, Batman in the comics is not the same as Batman in the Movies, TV, Games and etc. might as well be completely different characters but if they put out an animated series that is an exact adaptation of the comics with the story just being expanded upon, I honestly believe you will an uptake in the number of comics be sold because you will get the crowd the hate being left out the loop and let's say the show is super popular now the comic has more investment to keep the comic going because the show exist because of the comics now they would have three crowds the comic only, the animation only and the comic+animation and so know they can do more things that tie into the comic/animation like videogames, there's a reason it why we call it the Manga/Anime because they are so intertwined with one another they basically exist as a single industry with one part feeding into the other.
Love the video, Professor Thorgi. And awesome shirt too, btw! Luke Cage was an amazing show that got canned too soon. Here's hoping for Marvel/Disney to take notice and make a Power Man and Iron Fist or Heroes for Hire show. And with the actors from the Netflix shows, cuz it'd be crazy not to.
As for DC Comics, yes, it's looking pretty grim. No, scratch that, it IS pretty grim for them right now. Double scratch that, it's BEEN pretty grim for a WHILE now. But that's the thing: it's grim for them RIGHT NOW, because no one knows what the future holds. And yet, Marvel went through something similar in the 90s, did it not? Ironic Bob Harras was at the helm on BOTH occasions (seriously DC, wtf?). And what did Marvel do to get themselves outta bankruptcy? Well, sell off film and other media rights left and right. But what about the COMICS? Well, it's like you said about what to do in light of all this: turn to indie books. And that's what Marvel Comics did: they turned to the INDIE crowd. Recruited Joe Quesada, Jimmy Palmiotti, Kevin Smith, Brian Michael Bendis, Christopher Priest, Garth Ennis, Grant Morrison, J. Michael Straczynski, and so many others, they also set up Marvel Knights, refocused on core titles while also expanding on lower tier ones, and creating new concepts and ideas, and kept themselves steady til they got bought out by Disney, and yeah there was some hurdles, but lately they've gotten back on track somewhat. I believe that DC can do the same. Maybe not in the exact same way, but this is the wakeup call they NEED right now, and I hope they will answer that call. And I hope that those who believe in a world of dignity, honor, and justice, that we can all share, that they'll answer the call, for when it's time for the hammer to fall.
Okay I kinda cribbed that from both Superman and Queen, but point stands. I believe that they can get themselves outta this.
"Just because someone stumbles and loses their way, it doesn't mean they're lost forever. Sometimes we all need a little help". - Professor X
Yeah I cribbed that from DOFP. Doesn't make it any less true in this case for DC.
Thanks again for this video, sir. I look forward to what you put out next. Take care 🙂
And just to add more to it, I'm not a fan of "digital-only" media. Or the idea of "digital is the future", cuz it's not. It's just anothet medium. I don't hate it, it's just not for me, but I'm glad others get something outuvit. Ironic I know I'm saying this commenting on a RUclips video, which knowing this platform is on shaky ground at best, but ya make do with what you can do.
Ya look at streaming showd out right now, sooner or later, there's gonna be DVDs/blu rays. Same with video games and comics that start out as "digital first". Because companies love to make money, they're not stupid, they'll turn to any method they can. And that's a scary part too: that they'll turn to ANY method they can. Lootboxes in video games for instance, like you mentioned. I will not be surprised if companies try to charge more money for digital comics, like a 22-page comic would cost $10 a page. And that's cuz these companies think in short-term profits, nothing else. And I'd to give em the benefit of the doubt and say it's not as much a matter of greed as it is incompetence. Oh, greed is a factor, don't get me wrong, it's how they do it and the end result that counts. And DC/WB/AT&T has been kinda stupid with it.
But yeah, I still hold out hope that DC will pull themselves back up. Because why do we fall? So we can learn to pick ourselves back up. 🦇
Eh? C'mon, that was golden right there! 😄
Marvel Emtertainment was its own business in the 90s and didn't have a giant multinational corporation to answer to who could put their head on the chopping block. Unfortunately, there's nothing similar going on right now to that situation.
Idk about that. The way DC acts sometimes, it's like they're their own company rather than a division of Time Warner. Why else would they set up a streaming service with DC Universe while the parent company launches HBO Max? And a lot of the movies, tv shows, and other media are licensed out to other production companies rather than produced in-house like Marvel Studios does with the MCU. There's just no communication or structure because every division runs its own way and it's that disorganization that's catching up to em.
While i hope DC can rebound, it annoys me to see super fanboy defenders go "WELL, WHAT ABOUT MARVEL HUH? ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THEY SCREW UP!" as if that has anything to with DC's inner issues or that Marvel needs to share the turmoil too or some nonsense.
Marvel's been doing fine lately, although I'll admit that they've been going through the motions since War of the Realms wrapped up Jason Aaron's Thor run. That's not a bad thing since it's still an improvement over the ANAD Marvel/Legacy era, but it also means there's nothing worth reading right now (at least in my eyes). Then again, the only things DC is doing that I'm interested in right now are the Metal Saga and the DCeased Saga.
I'm SO GLAD you said this!
The problem with DC is that they only have Batman as a big selling product. Decades and decades of only focusing on a small bunch of heroes, Batman Superman and The Justice Leage.
Marvel has been much more balanced in giving protagonist to their creations. They have Spiderman, The X Men, The Avengers, Deadpool, Venom, Thor etc etc. One month The hulk is hot.. but the next month Black Panter could be hot.... or Carnage, etc etc.
@@LucielZ1 Alright, you got me there (funnily enough, Batman, Superman, and Justice League make up the bulk of my DC collection), and I will admit that I prefer Marvel due to having read more of their universe (Spider-Man, Thor, Avengers, and X-Men make up the bulk of my Marvel library), but that's also what I've been enjoying with DC. I'm getting to explore a universe I'm not as well-versed in, which makes it more satisfying to read as I'm learning about this world with each trade I read.
I have a bit of a weird relationship with DC. I have always had a bias towards Marvel, but I have always enjoyed some elements of DC and felt that it was still staple. When Batman V Superman came out I hoped that marvel would make the better movie and was ready to root for my home team, instead I saw DC get slaughtered so bad that it didn't feel like a victory. I seen DC as Marvel's arch rival, one that kept Marvel on it's toes, allowing fans from both side to win due to their competition. Seeing DC's constant mistakes as of late and now this, It's just tragic and can only offer my condolences for everyone who ever loved DC and hope that DC manages to pull through somehow
I'm in a similar boat. I'm more of a Marvel guy myself, but that just makes DC's world all the more fascinating. Part of why I've been enjoying the Metal Saga so much is because the rich history of the DCU, a history I still know very little about, and its characters, who I barely knew anything about aside from Superman and Batman, are on full display. At the same time, DC's timeline is an utter mess and they keep shooting themselves in the foot both in comics and in their recent live-action movies (I did enjoy Man of Steel, Aquaman, and Shazam, but Suicide Squad (which I read half of the novelization of before giving up because the story was terrible) and Birds of Prey AKA Why Include Cassandra Cain If You're Not Going To Adapt Her Properly sucked. I have not seen Batman V Superman yet despite owning it or Wonder Woman, and I'm waiting to see if the Snyder Cut of Justice League comes out on DVD).
for me I love the Marvel movies but just can't get into their comics, with DC I've been collecting the trades of old stories as it is easier to understand and catch up with the stories, but their movies are hit or miss, ones I only liked were Wonder Woman and Shazam, haven't seen Joker yet but I just lost interest in watching anything DC
@@ambervalkerie9134 Don't bother seeing Joker. It has nothing to do with the character from the comics. Also, I can recommend several storylines from Marvel worth reading if you're interested.
@@smashmaster521 I think Joker may be worth seeing depending on your taste. The movie is not my thing, but from what I heard it is a good movie and deserved it's phrase
@@ryanolphie2166 I'm not saying it's not a good movie, but it's not a movie about the Joker from the comics.
Yeah Batman is everywhere. He’s going to be in the new flash movie, he’s getting a new movie, he’s most likely going to be in the suicide squad game, and not to mention his brand new game coming out soon.
Can we say "market saturation" yet?
I dont know maybe someone in a board room read Tom Kings Batman/Heroes in Crisis and said enough is enough.
This is kinda scary. As if the the real world wasn't bad enough now we have to worry about our comics. In a perfect world, DC could just lisence their characters to Marvel so we don't lose the comicbook market, but I know that's pretty much impossible.
You have the best openers. I’m always dying. I hope you and Michelle are safe.
People have said that Marvel and DC Comics are kept around because they are IP farms but unfortunately that's not completely true. That's because of the Incredibles. That movie shows as long as there is a great writer with a great story you don't need a pre-existing property. So basically Disney doesn't need new X men comics to make X men movies, they just need great screenwriters.
This isn't to knock comics. I think comics have a ton of inherent value as a medium. Comics are the greatest medium on the planet. I could write a book on the subject. Comics should be kept around because they are awesome! This is just to say that the IP farm and future inspiration excuse is very shaky ground for keeping comic publishing around.
Counterpoint/rebuttal: The Incredibles 2.
@@erraticonteuse it made 1.2 billion dollars.
@@kaiwilliams141 Yet no one is begging for an Incredibles 3. It made money on the strength of the original, but that well is truly dry.
Well in defense of Jim Lee's statement he said "franchise" not stories. I think he means new teams and characters altogether. And in addition it's not like people are going to one day say "I think there's enough Superman and Batman comics. Nobody cares enough about Superman or Batman to pay for weekly stories about them anymore."
Making a phone call back in time, you are going to need a banana and a microwave.
I understood that reference
DC has been through this before. I am confident they can return to the top.
Yeah I still want to see that video that you had edited about Batman personally but since this happened with the whole DC layoffs this is much more important but I still want to see that other video
When was the last time DC actually published a really great story that has resonated outside of the regular, main stream comics readers? Ever since the New 52 started, the general direction of DC characters has been focused in the direction of "remember how cool comics were in the 90's? That was awesome!" Except comics were pretty shit in the 90's. The industry didn't collapse in the 90's because the comics were so great.
Counterpoint: the 1990s were arguably DC's best years in comics. The problem is that they took out a key component from their current stories that made those years special: time moving on. That allowed the growth of new characters, legacy and otherwise, and used its rich history to inform their stories without being enslaved to that history (see Sandman, Starman, JSA). The last decade have taken the worst elements of both 1990s comics and "Crisis" events to leave the smoking crater we all have come to know.
@@johnathonhaney8291 OK. To be honest, growing up I was a Marvel kid though and through, so if that was a great period for DC, I wouldn't have known. There is one thing that I think backs up the point I was trying to make, and that is Jim Lee. Jim Lee being a lead creative has lead DC into the same kind of quagmire of edgelord bullshit that Marvel went down in the 90's. Say what you will for his art, but I really don't think he knows what actually makes compelling narrative or characters.
@@takkun169 He's an Image founder...that narrative discombobulation is implicit in that title. He and Liefeld were the first two to go running back to Daddy in the late 1990s and Lee used that to climb DC's corporate ladder.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I don't Jim Lee understands that the edge lord crap that was trendy in the 90s, was actually what caused the crash. Trying to mimic books like The Dark Knight, Year One and Watchmen, but having no understanding of why they worked so well. He (and Rob Liefeld as well) only saw was the aesthetic and not the substance of why those comics worked, so when he tried to do it himself, it was always vapid and lame. He brought that same creative bankruptcy to New 52 and it was almost universally bad.
Seen how they are tying all the future Hulk story lines together to make it all cannon? Maestro is post-"Hulk: The End".
Thank you, someone finally calling out the people responsible and explaining why people like AT&T are making these changes.
Wait, Suicide Squad's been canceled?!
Oh man, I really loved this run so far...
Glad to see more people talking about this
Does anyone else see the batlogo in the left side of the right building
Never been a DC fan but a Massive Marvel fan and when Disney bought Marvel I was worried that this would happen. That the Mega Corp would say "we need X and Y but not Z" but I'm so glad Disney know how to use their IPs
Right, like Spiderman or is he Iron Man Jr.
@@mr.dccomics9018 he's not iron man Jr what are you talking about?? Troll
@@donovanjr284 Spiderman in the MCU was not Spiderman. He was basically a groupie for Mr. Stark.
They turn Spiderman and Tony Stark relationship into a lame version of Batman and Robin.
Plus, they never mention Uncle Ben, like not one time.
@@mr.dccomics9018 **eye roll** As someone smarter than me once pointed out, a groupie is EXACTLY what the early Lee/Ditko Spiderman was as proven by his vain attempt to join the Fantastic Four. Being a Stark/Avenger groupie is the MCU equivalent. And Thorgi already pointed out how twice was ENOUGH on Uncle Ben.
@@johnathonhaney8291 yeah, twice was enough of the orgin story. But you don't replace Uncle Ben for Tony Stark. Thats basically what the MCU did to Spiderman. They didn't even mention the guy.
I could see if Spiderman was out of High School but he wasn't and that was when he first got his powers so Uncle Ben would still be relevant for Spiderman.
Hey man, like what you like but the MCU Spiderman was not Spiderman. He was just a fanboy for Iron Man.
New camera?
you apologize for the lack of comic class last week but didn't the new year channel update say there isn't going to be a comic class every week?
He probably feels bad because he had one ready last week and events overtook that episode's relevance.
Thank you for your commentary
Appreciated
DC's slippery slope has been years in the making. Too many ideas led by that putz Dan Didio. Everything he wanted to do was to get away from everything that made DC great. The status quo would start out with some level of promise but the ship would always sink. Reboot after reboot which never amounted to much of anything. Geoff Johns bailed him out with Rebirth and look where that went. They also doubled down on what caused the crash back in the 90s. Multiple events that changed really nothing, character deaths that were meaningless, and multiple alternative covers. AT&T is doing what big businesses do. They only care about the bottom line and pleasing their shareholders.
AT&T is eliminating everything that isn't batman is actually sad and depressing however i think getting rid of the old guard is kinda a good idea in theory but knowing AT&T i don't trust them like at all handling DC comics and i really don't want DC comics to die because that would be depressing and sad and see DC comics focus on batman 24/7 is really depressing because as much as i like batman i don't want him to be the main focus i want other heroes to get a shot.
I can almost guarantee you that AT&T doesn't have the slightest clue what books DC put out. They just own them and let DC publish and run everything themselves. They just fire and hire, and the heads at DC are just doing everything with Batman because he sells, and their best writers only want to write Batman for the most part.
@@vincentbatten4686 yeah that's true and you're right about that which is sad and honestly your not entirely wrong especially with batman because like you said he sells and all of the best writers only want batman which is sad because their are other characters besides batman and plus hey hiring a single writer like bendis to write 4 titles like superman Action comics Young justice & Legion of superheroes seems overkill and plus feels how can i say this greedy and wrong on so many levels but hey that's just my opinion. However i am still hoping really hoping that we can actually get good stories again but my expectations aren't really high but we shall see.
I'm going to give you a like for the 1st 40seconds and the fact that you feel that DC relies on the Bat too much. Marvel made it,DC will be ok😎
The tetris music in the background is banging
The Super Smash Bros series has a ton of great arrangements
Corporations will never care. More competition is needed!
I must not be up to date. What happened with the mail service?
I really feel like you nailed this sir.
same thing with health care in this country / really enjoyed this video, right on
Fans: We know nothing of what is happening behind the scenes and know jack about business.
Me: So?
Fans: We know everything about what is happening!
Very well said Sir.
*looks at latest Flash movie news*
Yeah, we're still going to need that TOO MUCH BATMAN op-ed
We need a mail time episode with Aaron!!!
I mean, I don't get much but I suppose I can review my junk mail
Maybe AT&T should just sell the Thundercats franchise
I also have batfatigue
I wonder if, in desperation, DC will use Death Metal as Reboot, to try and get an increase in sales like they did with Flashpoint and the New 52?
"...the Comicbook's sells are the highest they've been in a decade..." Isn't after the industry decided to add manga and childrens books into the salenumbers? Marvel and DC's numbers are pretty poor.
I think Marvel is going to be hit even harder than DC. Disney is bleeding hard.
**eye roll** First, name me one American company not named Amazon that HASN'T been bleeding this year. Second, unlike AT&T, Disney's majority of its profits have little to nothing to do with its comics, TV or even movies, 16% to be precise.
@@johnathonhaney8291 When Disney bleeds what do you think goes first? Do you think Disney will be charitable and not cut the nonprofitable parts first? I think they'll do what AT&T did.
Jeez. This year has done my depression no favors. Losing loved one to Corona. My favorite athlete dies so tragically with his daughter. WWE ratings and content sucks more than ever. DC is in shambles. Not much outlets for me to escape to and unwind. Gotta remind myself others are doing much worse than me but their unfair suffering depresses even more. Going mad like the Joker, gotta laugh it's so bad 🤣🤣🤣
Sorry about your loved one, friend. Keep yourself safe, okay?
@@johnathonhaney8291 Appreciate that brother. I'm doing everything it takes to continue fighting. You stay safe too
I get the general idea of what Jim Lee was trying to say, bu he shouldn't say it like that, at least not publicly. Too corporate-y. Pretty sure its the same thing with Marvel but they are hush hush about it. I don't think its a coincidence that Miss Marvel, She Hulk and Moon Knight has gotten more involved in a lot more stories recently after their shows were announced. They are creating more stories for those characters. Jim Lee needs to learn some subtlety like the Marvel people does.
You're being too nice. What he REALLY needs to learn is how to pick a winner.
Rule #1 Things which make money are kept,
So the comment that comics are important for creating new ideas doesn't surprise me, as money is the incentive and that is what is driving everything from the top atleast
Great video
Hate to hear “everyone is miserable” lol I’m feeling great
Misery is always waiting in the wings. Be ready for it.
Forgive my ignorance but what is a loot box?
Check out Jim Sterling's video game news channel for all the sordid details. It's actually quite interesting.
Or if you're not into that, here's the Wikipedia version: randomly generated "rewards" for playing a video game, typically of the "free to play" and multiplayer variety. The quotation marks around rewards denotes how worthless most of them are: a character skin, a hat. But because there's really good stuff you can get by spending real world money or playing the game for ungodly amounts of time, it effectively encourages gambling to the point where some localities are now legislating against loot boxes.
Other divisions of Warner got hit far worse than DC.
Way worse.
Always trust evs and your boi Zack and the rest those guys putting out good shit.
If it seems like there is no rhyme or reason behind these decisions... it's most likely money. These people were probably making "too much money to make business sense."
I would watch Mail time with Aaron.
6:56 😂
I was not a fan of the MCU Spider-man given their lack of mention to Uncle Ben's name when it comes to conversations about him. I mean they don't have to show his death again, but it would be nice for them to MENTION THE MAN'S Name in conversation and not in Easter Egg form or cryptic telling of it.
Well, then, you'd probably HAVE to show him. And trust me, when people die tragically like Ben Parker did, most folks don't talk about that person much, if at all.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I understand Grief is different for everyone, but they should not have left Ben Parker out without some physical appearance of the character like in a frame or something, right ?
@@M567dk Wrong...after something like that, seeing such a pic is a painful reminder that this person is gone under ugly circumstances and NEVER coming back. Remember it was only six months between losing Ben and meeting Tony for Peter. The latter used Stark as an emotional crutch to fill in the void.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Forgive me for say this, but how was I suppose to know this as it the cryptic they tried to point it out is just infuriating to me. I know they did not want to do the origin story again and I can understand that grief is difficult and different for so many people. HOWEVER, I do not enjoy how the MCU treats Spider-man and his overall history and mythos and tries to make him more like Iron Man Jr. Even if you say that they are not doing it in these movies does not change the fact that the iconic look for Spider-man in these MCU films all came from Tony Stark tech or how some of his iconic foes via Mysterio and Vulture all have a problem with Tony Stark instead of for themselves overall. Also do not get me started on how they tried to diverse the cast of Supporting Spider-man characters. I have nothing against the stars of these MCU movies as they are truly talented people, but when you have Ned Leeds acting more like Ganke from Miles Morales stories, then you know you have an issue with the MCU Spider-man.
@@M567dk There has never been enough of your crowd for that purist argument to even matter. Time moves on and if stories want to stay relevant, they move on with it. MCU handled Spidey A-OK in my book, better than Raimi ever did. And there's enough subscribers to MY book for it to be the majority view.
I like your shirt.
Meanwhile, Thorgi's prediction of a COPPA fueled purge of You Tube has yet to happen. Who here has been COPPA'd into the poor house?
well I guess its better than seeing continual character assassinations of beloved characters. What have they done to Nightwing and Wally West is horrendous
At least Scott Snyder is working to fix Wally West (his favorite Flash, which would explain why he's been writing Barry Allen as if he were Wally) with Death Metal. Nightwing, on the other hand...yeah, I miss him too.
On the subject of Dick Grayson, am I the only one who's noticed that DC has a bizarre fascination with inflicting head injuries to Nightwing? I mean, he got cut across the forehead in Rebirth Nightwing #17 (which became a plot point for Dark Nights: Metal's Gotham Resistance tie-in story), he got shot in the head by KGBeast in Tom King's Batman run that started the whole Ric Grayson storyline, and he was the first hero to be shown as an Anti-Living (meaning he clawed at his own face trying to get the Anti-Life Virus out of his head) in DCeased. Seriously, I know DC likes kicking Nightwing in the dick, but lately they've been kicking the wrong head.
@@smashmaster521 Tim also haven't had a good time, is he still wearing that shit brown colour costume and going by Drake? And Damian lost his Jon cus Bendis decided to age him up past Damian because reasons so no more Super Sons for the time being. And Red Hood is probably still looking like discount Mortal Kombat, only good thing for him is that he is no longer written by Loeb anymore.
And yh a disturbing amount of head injuries to Nightwing. The only Batgirl still getting some exposure is Babs, no sign of Cassandra and Steph becoming batgirls anytime soon. Young Justice book was just all over the place had no idea where it was going and Teen Titans was hellbent assassinating Damian's character completely ignoring all of his character development.
@@ambervalkerie9134 QUACK! Sorry, I've made it a rule to become a majestic Space Duck every time someone mentions Tim Drake becoming The Drake, and I don't know if he still goes by that since I've only been reading the Metal Saga and DCeased. Come to think of it, I've read so little of Tim Drake that he's my least favorite Robin by default (my ranking of the Robins is Dick = Jason > Damian > Tim). Also, am I the only one who doesn't hate Scott Lobdell? Ignoring what kind of person he is in real life and my lack of experience with his DC work, Scott Lobdell wrote the X-Men in the 90s with Fabian Nicieza, and I consider his work to be better than Chris Claremont (seriously, Fatal Attractions > Dark Phoenix Saga). I will agree that Jason's new costume sucks, but that more the fault of the artist who designed it than it is Scott Lobdell's.
As far as Batgirls go, Barbara Gordon and Cassandra Cain are the most qualified to wear that particular cowl (I don't hate Stephanie Brown, mind you, but she's like Tim in that she's my least favorite Batgirl because I've read so little of her). Also, why do the writers at DC have a hard time seeing Damian as anything but the obnoxious little shit he was initially introduced as? Ignoring that Titans books are cursed, Damian has developed into a hero who's admittedly still a little arrogant, but wants to do the right thing so as to make his father proud of him.
@@smashmaster521 Lobdell may have had good works but he wasn't the right writer for Redhood. Its all too stereotypical rebellious bad boy angst and he never stops with Jason bringing up his death. Also I find he can't write female characters very well; biggest issue was how he wrote Starfire when she was in Outlaws, that was horrible, he got better in the Dark Trinity. Then there was Lobdell's part in writing Ric Grayson. Yh I just don't think he is the right guy to write any of the Bat kids.
@@ambervalkerie9134 Perhaps, but I know a lot of people who adore Red Hood & The Outlaws...Then again, those people like it because it basically says screw you to political correctness.
Eh, what do I know, anyway? I have yet to read Red Hood & The Outlaws myself.
Ooooh boy this is gonna be a good one
Everything’s burning behind Thorgi. He must of moved to California
No it’s London, I see Big Ben and the Houses of Parliament.
Oh. It's Aron✨👀
Genius Brands is going to make a move here. They just hired Michael Uslan to launch Stan Lee Universe. Michael Uslan will save DC!!!
Hopefully DC comes out better overall after things settle but it doesn't look good. Don't know if Marvel will suffer a similar fate or not (probably not as bad as DC) but it is a bad time to be a comic fan.
Last I heard, Disney was investing in a huge NYC office complex, so if nothing else there's physically a place for Marvel publishing within Disney. It's not going to be like when WB uprooted DC from NYC and squeezed them into their movie studio space in Burbank (which was frankly the beginning of the end for DC).
Personally in my opinion i am hoping DC comics at least survives and doesn't get destroyed and hey maybe there's some hope with at least the old guard gone maybe we can actually get fresh blood into the company and hopefully bring back hope and love into the universe and with the teen titans comic getting cancelled and bendis young justice getting cancelled maybe just maybe we can finally get some good stories again within dc comics and hey maybe getting rid of bob harris and dan didio could actually mean a good thing and hopefully stop destroying their legacy characters like wally west my flash aging up my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy for garbage and making Damian Wayne robin into a villain and so many other problems that we'll be here all day if i try to explain the problems with DC comics and their universe but hopefully with them gone all of these problems could actually be addressed and give us great stories again but we shall see.
ULGROTHA sorry
Yep. Just the another layer on the shit-sandwich that has been 2020.